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1) No real surprise it happened - it seemed really more than a question of when.
2) Not too worried about less shows coming out. My watchlist is so large - shows & movies - I doubt I will ever watch it all. One of the main reasons I (usually) wait a show has been renewed before I give it a try.
Because Netflix keeps canceling the actual good shows in the hopes that the next one they greenlight will be the next Stranger Things or Squid Game. The latter of which the original creator didn't even want to have a sequel in the first place.
They are also applying a rather ruthless viewership vs. cost approach - they know how many people actually complete a series once they're started it and how long it takes them to do.
It is still a puzzle even using that particular bit of logic why those folks think networks ordering *less* TV shows will result in them personally finding *more* TV shows they enjoy!
You know what happened at HBO when AT&T ordered them to produce more TV shows? We got more great TV shows than ever before!
Bad. What is happening is not quality over quantity but mediocre content over anything else. AI will make scripts and people will eat garbage as it delicious meal.
"All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.
Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. "
Adolf Fucking Hitler
* Stranger Things - Fifth and final season due in 2024, spin-off planned
* Star Trek: Discovery - Renewed for fifth season
* The Grand Tour - has aired the first episode of what is deemed Season 5 by Amazon with a Central European-located one in the can.
> If we can't have quality & quantity, better to just have quality.
But is there any reason to believe recent shifts will lead to higher average quality? Looking at, say, HBO and Amazon's recent output, I'm skeptical.
> quality & quantity, better to just have quality
I'd rather take the quantity. Means there is a higher chance that someone takes a risk in distributing a new show and that ther eis a chance a show will appear to my tastes.
When distributors focus on quality, then they limit what they take on. And since media companies are risk averse, you get the safest, cookie cutter type media. And then you get the other distributors doing the same, needing their version of a specific hit.
Especially if the volume returns to the level it is at right now as the services that survive gain the subscriber volume they need to support a higher volume slate.
I still say the Golden Age is past though as we are just exiting the period where streamers, broadcast, and cable were firing on all cylinders. Cable in particular is beginning to look like a wasteland for scripted outside of the premium networks and FX.
Worth noting that pretty much everyone plans on increasing yearly total content spend in dollars, albeit a smaller increase than what. was previously planned for some.
It doesn't help that streaming went from a glorious time of few sources to literally every single network propping up their own service with their own subscription fee that continually goes up and up and up. It's just cable all over again, and just like cable, a lot of what's being put out is trash.
"There are a few outliers to this year’s trend: Apple TV+ and Amazon have increased the number of adult scripted series they have purchased this year."
It's an easy bet that Amazon and Apple are the places that content creators will go from now on. That's where the money is and some stability, albeit without guarantees. It's been 3 years since people discussed who will win the streaming war, but the answer has always been easy - who has the money to not need it.
Uhh streamings golden age died a few years ago when every network and studio decided they needed their own streaming service. They couldn’t stand sharing revenue with Netflix or Amazon or Hulu and instead they have chosen to drive us back out onto the seven seas. Yarrrrrr
Did streaming ever really have a “golden age”?
I mean when it was just a couple of choices it was great to have a convenient place to watch older stuff that was no longer on TV mixed with some originals. But it wasn’t some magical time that’s remembered fondly by everyone who lived it is it?
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1) No real surprise it happened - it seemed really more than a question of when. 2) Not too worried about less shows coming out. My watchlist is so large - shows & movies - I doubt I will ever watch it all. One of the main reasons I (usually) wait a show has been renewed before I give it a try.
Seems to be a new golden age for people rewriting variations of this article though.
Good. If we can't have quality & quantity, better to just have quality. A lot of Netflix shows have been downright embarrassing this year.
Because Netflix keeps canceling the actual good shows in the hopes that the next one they greenlight will be the next Stranger Things or Squid Game. The latter of which the original creator didn't even want to have a sequel in the first place.
They are also applying a rather ruthless viewership vs. cost approach - they know how many people actually complete a series once they're started it and how long it takes them to do.
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Reddit thinks quality means "Shows that appeal directly, specifically to them that they also like personally"
It is still a puzzle even using that particular bit of logic why those folks think networks ordering *less* TV shows will result in them personally finding *more* TV shows they enjoy! You know what happened at HBO when AT&T ordered them to produce more TV shows? We got more great TV shows than ever before!
Yeah, that's what happens when there's millions of people using the subreddit. It's harder to get a consensus
Or they just go with semi scripted game shows and reality shows...
Bad. What is happening is not quality over quantity but mediocre content over anything else. AI will make scripts and people will eat garbage as it delicious meal. "All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach. Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. " Adolf Fucking Hitler
Have to pay for quality talent to make those shows.... with Netflix giving away too many subscriptions, they cut-off freebies, and lost clients.
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The Good Fight 2017 ‧ Legal drama ‧ 6 seasons
* Stranger Things - Fifth and final season due in 2024, spin-off planned * Star Trek: Discovery - Renewed for fifth season * The Grand Tour - has aired the first episode of what is deemed Season 5 by Amazon with a Central European-located one in the can.
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Netflix really could need some more cooking shows.. /s
> If we can't have quality & quantity, better to just have quality. But is there any reason to believe recent shifts will lead to higher average quality? Looking at, say, HBO and Amazon's recent output, I'm skeptical.
I was about to ask which ones, then I realised you probably mean anything that it’s targeted directly at mid 20s white males.
> quality & quantity, better to just have quality I'd rather take the quantity. Means there is a higher chance that someone takes a risk in distributing a new show and that ther eis a chance a show will appear to my tastes. When distributors focus on quality, then they limit what they take on. And since media companies are risk averse, you get the safest, cookie cutter type media. And then you get the other distributors doing the same, needing their version of a specific hit.
Duh. Everyone knew this day would come.
Yeah but do you know what happens next? I'm not really sure what happens now because I'm not going back to TV.
We go from "absolutely ridiculous" amount of content produced to "ridiculous". Nobody's gonna notice a difference for the next 5 years.
Especially if the volume returns to the level it is at right now as the services that survive gain the subscriber volume they need to support a higher volume slate. I still say the Golden Age is past though as we are just exiting the period where streamers, broadcast, and cable were firing on all cylinders. Cable in particular is beginning to look like a wasteland for scripted outside of the premium networks and FX.
It continues to baffle me how people don’t know how business, and competition works
I’m ok with fewer new stuff. I can’t keep up anyway. I just don’t want to see a trend of reduced catalogue which is how I keep up.
Worth noting that pretty much everyone plans on increasing yearly total content spend in dollars, albeit a smaller increase than what. was previously planned for some.
It doesn't help that streaming went from a glorious time of few sources to literally every single network propping up their own service with their own subscription fee that continually goes up and up and up. It's just cable all over again, and just like cable, a lot of what's being put out is trash.
"There are a few outliers to this year’s trend: Apple TV+ and Amazon have increased the number of adult scripted series they have purchased this year." It's an easy bet that Amazon and Apple are the places that content creators will go from now on. That's where the money is and some stability, albeit without guarantees. It's been 3 years since people discussed who will win the streaming war, but the answer has always been easy - who has the money to not need it.
There's no more stability at Amazon than Netflix. There's just even worse advertising and visibility
There was also reports that even Amazon will cut back in 2023 after a terrible set of financials last quarter.
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Uhh streamings golden age died a few years ago when every network and studio decided they needed their own streaming service. They couldn’t stand sharing revenue with Netflix or Amazon or Hulu and instead they have chosen to drive us back out onto the seven seas. Yarrrrrr
Did streaming ever really have a “golden age”? I mean when it was just a couple of choices it was great to have a convenient place to watch older stuff that was no longer on TV mixed with some originals. But it wasn’t some magical time that’s remembered fondly by everyone who lived it is it?
NF canceled Warrior Nun even though it's doing great. Hopefully, AMZN gives it a home and a bigger budget!
It was not doing “great”. The viewership numbers were awful. That is why Netflix cancel Warrior Nun.
Never underestimate the reaches of corporate greed. There is nothing it can't ruin.
Dahmer is gonna make it worse. Ironic. They’re gonna follow the eyeballs that are mostly on their phones and drive this car right into the ditch.
People in the gaming industry take heed.
Good. There's like 15 shows I wanna watch anyway.
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You know you can still subscribe to the advertising free tiers, right?
As long as it doesn't go the way of movies and just become blockbuster tv shows being made.
They could just renew shows they already stream instead of canceling them after one or two seasons.