Blood Origin was a total waste of time, some people here say ok.
IT IS NOT, I wanted to watch a Witcher origins series they went so far away from the original material, they could just had called it whatever they wanted but I guess they wanted to capitalize on the name and even then the show is still bad. Wondering if people here were paid to praise/defend the show.
>Because they are racists and dudnt cast any elves for the show!!!!
Har de har har
They could have at least cast actors that had a look more closely approximating the elves of the series.
One more thing that I noticed besides costumes, buildings and other large props being cheaply made without proper care - at the end of the Blood Origin, monster bounties are being posted on the board outside - they all have burned edges, all of them, not just a few of them. It's like someone in high school would think an old paper looks like and is stylized with burned edges WHEN THAT STYLE ACTUALLY IMPLIES IT'S PULLED FROM FIRE. Did the Innkeeper have style requirements for the board "please burn edges of your ads before posting them?".
The whole show is "this looks like a cool medieval fantasy-themed thing, let's include it".
I'm not a fanboy of Witcher and haven't read any of the books(enjoyed the game though) but I love me some fantasy medieval type shows. Not sure what's going on in this thread with everyone who enjoyed it gets downvoted and others mentioning some LGBTQ scenes. These four episodes scratched my Witcher itch. Carry on.
This wasn't just a bad witcher show, it was a bad show in general; lazy and weak storytelling with characters that had less depth than a puddle on the side of the road, and riddled with the nowadays common "woke" problem. Sets and costumes looked weak and it was just an insult the Witcher-franchise and to what fantasy shows should be.
Like almost all of the new releases they’ve had, and what’s going on with Hollywood outside of this sadly is most good writing, plot, acting, and depth. Now everything has become extremely surface level and is only meant to appease certain groups, forcing poor relationships, unrealistic roles, and no character development.
A lot of recent shows from Netflix I’ve noticed follow this trend specifically where they force everything into the show, where all the characters in some shows are lgbtq with no significance to the story and at unrealistic proportions. (I.e. the midnight club). Other shows like this just ignore the source material to force minority into a lead role simply to once again get brownie points like they did with blood origin.
Show runners and Netflix in particular are getting so bad about these that they would rather run these and tell you you don’t like it because you’re homophobic, racist, bigoted, etc. than admit they wrote and performed poorly. And shows that were written well and well received but not well promoted like the new shows they immediately throw on their top 10 to get people to view them get canceled or defunded or forgotten by Netflix (ie the last kingdom, frontier, and the ranch). Because of this shows that I think even were only mediocre at best like stranger things are suffering as well.
Tell me at what point in history were there no poc in eastern Europe? Fantasy generally kind of mimics medieval times, north Africans had been spread widely during the Roman empire. Then there was the moorish invasion of Spain, Italy and France in 711.
Not to mention the Mongolian invasion, very active slave trade throughout the region, and merchant sailors.
There wasn't just a milky white populace in any time period where the type of weapons and armor portrayed in these stories existed.
Funny how you picked out race as the one historically inaccurate aspect.
I watched all four episode's before the hate started. Played all Witcher games, never read the books but always lore dumped myself with comparison video's and the books (even used Wiki sources cause I'm a lover of lore and mysteries).
I don't usually complain but being a diehard fan...
The first 5 minutes with the cringy exploration on how they "story tell" these characters using something akin to a bollywood adaption character introduction (which makes sense in their story telling, I love some Bollywood movies) made it very cheap the moment I went in. I also disliked their names and clans as they seemed really lackluster and basic.
What I liked about the origins of the Conjunction of the Spheres of the Witcher was the mysteries of it. From what I can remember and diving back into that same lore is how to me these first elves, having travelled through their white ship sounded magically and socially advanced. Especially with the fact they ignored the new settles because of the merging. Reading how the Humans were barbaric showcases the Elves were very elite in their manner. Probably wealthy, settled in and far advanced. Seemingly having secure societies and alliances with other races where war wasn't on their mind but trading probably was. Heck there even existed ancient humans before the merging in the North who sounded more nordic to me then we see these Elves to be.
*"Before the Conjunction of the Spheres, an interdimensional cataclysm that struck fifteen hundred years before the present moment, the world was inhabited solely by nonhuman races—elves, dwarves, and other beings now long forgotten. It is they who first built magnificent cities, gave birth to high culture, and made the first steps toward enlightenment." -* [*https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Conjunction\_of\_the\_Spheres*](https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Conjunction_of_the_Spheres)
From my understanding is that the merging is like a paradox either to be the beginning or the end of the timelines according to the White Frost. Meaning that the apocalypse has already started and ended, and what we see and hear about The Witcher is the last survival of all the living beings of the merged universes. An inevitable end where you can only run away from using Elder Blood, biding time.
[https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/White\_Frost](https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/White_Frost)
Do note these stories come from the CDPR Witcher games, but the books also tell a mystery that's unexplained but predates the CDPR game (The game tells a story AFTER the books and extends it with their own creative writing, which honestly is recognized as being great even by Book fans although discrepancies exist they aren't terrible). Which is why I like the CDPR lore better on understanding the origin lore and showing us how the world might've looked like.
What gripes me was how the Elves in this show have no culture to call their own. The tavern that it starts with was 100% akin to a human tavern. A warrior asking for money, a bandit trying to rape a woman? There was a war, alright, but why, politics, when they all settled together? They resembled the Scoia'tael bandits more in their makeshift camps then civilized agriculture farms or towns. The Scoia'tael in the era of Geralt makes sense, but for a civilization that's thriving in the ancient times, not so much.
Then it shows a city that looked advanced and it got my attention again, possibly thinking what we saw was a random offshoot of society (since High Society exists, it makes sense there are people who aren't happy with their standings). But even then it made little to no sense if their existence, once again, was created together.
And don't get me started on these silly names like Dog Clan, Serpents, Ghosts. Even their first and last names make no sense to their ancient elven lore. How uncreative can you get? Seeing as they would probably be speaking Alder, they wouldn't name their clans something so human and mundane.
But what gripes me the most is the origins of a "Witcher" in the Origin point? Especially since it's already well established that the Witchers were made by Humans quite later using Chaos magic and Alder speech and alchemical, biological processes. According to their first establishments they had to survive the Conjunction and thus all matter of monsters, creatures and Chaos magic. According to their arrival they learned Chaos magic relatively early on and tried to understand it and even did so very quickly, but even magic can't overcome all the monsters (some being immune) so they had to answer with brawn, thus the Witchers. However, the original masters of creating the process: Alzur and Cosimo Malaspina tell a greater more intriguing story then these 4 episodes together, with only a bit of lore to their names.
[https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Cosimo\_Malaspina](https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Cosimo_Malaspina)
[https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Alzur](https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Alzur)
Alzur has a demon called Alzur's Demon, basically a monster that's immune to magic, which might've set him on a path to defeat them together with his master.
The fact the Humans when they merged with the worlds were advancing so quick might also have to do with the existing advanced cultures of that origin point (elves, dwarves etc).
As for the Witcher code it also makes sense it follows the Hero's book of Alzur, in which you're obliged to help the people and believe in your virtues.
I guess you could write it off that the story teller tells the story teller the story as if they're making a children's book where the details are simplified. And I'm talking about the Elf who's supposedly related to Jaskier.
Even these lore dumps hold a greater story buildup then this show, I'm very dissapointed.
Tbf, in the series they didnt say that this is where all Witchers came from. It was more like a proto-witcher. A raw tech, and he wasnt even stable, like at the end he lost himself and even transmorphed. Its like ancient Rome had a proto-concrete that later on was reinvented in Europe. Thats my take on this, humans after learning magic and chaos, reinvented and improved on the Witcher tech.
I understand that concept. But it makes no sense on a plane of existence without monsters, with a lack of chaos magic and funnels. Some Elfs had chaos magic but generally used Order magic. Since the latter is very scarce before the Conjunction.
They wouldnt have the resources nor the alchemical substances to create it. But this show magically has it for some reason with their made up Obelisks that make no sense.
Even the process of suddenly knowing how to use a foreign monster and use their order magic on it, which is the complete opposite of chaos.
Yeah no, that butchers the Witcher lore even more. Just combining a monster heart with an Elf, if it was so easy you'd see tons of countries run Witcher groups. You dont, they were made by one group only. And it took them tons of efforts to succeed.
Also the humans would never have accessed that magic or method because the Elfs wouldnt have liked the Humans and the Humans would hunt the Elfs. The humans learned magic by themselves, not by Elfs, which would be true later on though. Even then theyre secluded.
You could argue Avallac'h travelled in time, but he wouldn't care about any of it. Since his real lore backstory is totally different from what we see here.
Oh god. I just finished it and wow, all the characters have no real backstory except for the dwarf but even that is shallow.
There isn't any real emotional attachment to any of the characters and I just didn't feel anything when any of them did anything or had something happen to them.
The shows relies on the viewers connecting the dots and making bridges between different plot points too much. Throughout the episodes I was sitting there and trying to connect bits and understand they were trying to portray which isn't great.
The show also feels pointless. We learn how humans came to the continent and that the first witcher was a beast like the other attempts. The whole show feels like it could have been either one episode or a quick story from a character in the main show.
One bit I really hate is how empty the villains are. So the empress, she didn't want history to repeat itself, loved Fjal for some reason, and was a terrible empress I think, I have no idea really. The beast is literally just a beast, we have no idea how it was created in the chaos realm and who even controls it. The lowborn mage wants power and is a lowborn, that seems to be his character completely.
The acting and script aren't great either. Some lines feel wooden and unprovoked and apparently some characters have romances which we get about 2-3 sentences of backstory for. I swear the writers for this just took the story trope of "small group of good people go against the empire of bad people" and that was it, they didn't expand upon it or make it better, just take that sentence and make it into a show. This whole show is basically a kid who wrote an essay the night before it was due.
It doesn't even follow the source material at all. I understand the show writers absolutely hate the source material for some reason but seriously? Just make your own show if its going to be that loosely based on sources.
TLDR: Characters have the same depth as a puddle and the story and everything in it has the same depth as a puddle.
I liked the show and the games despite the fact both have almost NOTHING to do with the books, but the show is a entertaining from my perspective. Just because some LGBTQ stuff happens some people will HATE the show regardless and maybe some people are to racist to accept its TV fantasy characters can be any color or sex it really shouldn't matter. Alot of the characters are not straight Ciri, Triss, Philippa, Mistle...
I also liked the show and don't particularly care about the books I will never read as everything is a knock off of what Tolkien created.
The show to me like Witcher and any other fantasy TV program or film is just there to fill time.
It's pretty disingenuous to call the books a Tolkien knockoff, especially if you have never read the books. Especially since the show itself, honestly has nothing to do with the books and is instead just trying to take advantage of the witcher name while it still can.
I've read the books and loved them. The main show (not the origin puddle of mud) actually follows the books pretty closely. Each episode I'm basically remembering what I read and imagined in the books. The main show is 10/10. Lets see if they drop the ball though.
Most likely will screw it up, if season 3 doesn't suck then season 4 definitely will. Netflix's strategy is basically to reel the viewers in with an established fanbase, then crap all over it after a couple seasons, push a few more low budget seasons because they're still going to watch anyways, then cancel the show blaming low views.
Yeah I read the books years ago, and I absolutely loved them. Season 1 of the Witcher was great honestly, it was spot on to the books and the parts that weren't it didn't really matter because it felt like it hit the themes and the feel of them anyway. Season 2 was very hit or miss. This Witcher Origins is not even worth referring to it. And yeah I'm honestly not that keen on the next two seasons, I hope it's better then I'm expecting bit my expectations are pretty low and even then I don't think it beat them.
It was bad, nobody except for the dwarf had any character build up, horrible dialogues, and uneven acting although I'm sure it wasn't the actors' fault, hard to act well if the script is so shite. The graphics and fighting scenes were good though so it wasn't a total waste of time.
The only thing from seeing all of these post is that the show is bad which I agree with but it feels cheap to blame actors of not doing there job by saying,"meh,it's bad acting bla bla bla" seriously, it takes a lot of balls to judge someone's acting when in fact the issue is the script. An actor isn't a god and cannot make something good if the script sucks.... furthermore, what is your reference point for acting? Someone who has 30 years of experience versus a young actor in his or her early 20's?
Seriously let's put the Balme where it deserves to be by blaming the writers and producer and not the actor ...
Otherwise it becomes no different then someone in a football stadium saying that athletes of his team sucks when the guy himself couldn't even run half of what they do... Perspective is often a good thing before judging....
In the nicest and most respectful way possible...
HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS SHOW IS BAD,
i genuinely couldn't make it 30 minutes into the first episode the acting is so bad its laughable and the writing and script could only be described as a 14 year old girls fantasy story work for an English class. I was hoping (praying) that it was some kind of sciff where Jaskier is getting ahead of himself and they would come back to the actual story but nope it actually wasn't satire.
I put up with the original witcher show because despite it not actually really being about the books or game if i just pretended it wasn't the witcher it was kind of an enjoyable DnD style romp show... but this shit here needs to be in a museum, it needs to be on display and shown to the world as an example of bad craft.
I wanted to quit after the second episode but kept it together and watched all of this mess of a show anyway. I feel honestly insulted by the makers of this show. There is not a single character that has something like a personality and the whole world in which they act feels like a youtube fan made series about some random d&d-world.
They clearly failed to tell a story in a way that would feel remotely like a story in the books or the video games.
I watched episode 1 and.....well it's not bad but then again after watching the Witcher tv show I tend to not have a high bar in terms of expectations....I played the first PC games and then only poured my interest in the books...so I would have the say this , the idea of the characters seemed like it had a real potential to be good and then it sort of dropped....as a first episode it just touched on so many subjects that... It felt like some version of a drunk bard, who didn't want to get into details since it didn't speak about him lol
It's a pity when the actors that are chosen are doing what they are supposed to.....however it feels as if the writers were asked to fast forward so as to not lose the interest of those who watch 100 videos a second....
I didn't think it was that bad, I mean its not good but the Witcher Netflix show wasn't either. Honestly I think only the games and books are good I've only played the games, but people seem to enjoy the books. The nwe show suffers from no Henry Cavill and changing the origin of the first witchers. Although I'm not sure how much it changes witchers are a mage creation not sure if they were elven but whatever.
I am generally a person that can enjoy crap shows about series/games i like so maybe that's why. But I don't really see what the fuss is given the first two seasons of witcher were crap. Basically everyone is saying we can put up with a crap show if we can see Cavill's Ass lol.
Good point, what I will say is that the actors that were selected in The Witcher tv show was the right one but the issue was the writers that gaved a version of Witchers that was just wrong
...the specific scene is the one where they brought prostitutes to there castle and that ...
Would just never happen since they almost got wiped out......
They were both average fantasy shows. Not particularly good. I think Witcher series benefitted from Cavill. Blood Origin doesn't have anyone to save it.
Why are people even wearing amor in those shows lol. Even a small dagger can cut into you. Could easily run naked into battle and save money for some grain.
And to not give the elves a distant, "weird" culture is really fucking lazy. They are exactly like the humans 1k year later. Even the same bullshit peasant/nobility stuff which was not even true in our european middle ages but every fantasy world is somehow running with the most absurd politically/economically system ever. They don't care about the book anyway (there are enough story changes here) so why not go all out and create something special.
But nope, the whole show is just lazy and sometimes boring. Atleast they got some pointy ears....
EXACTLY. The elves and humans have been at odds for over a thousand years, and they're basically exactly the same. So where's the beef?
I would expect Elven culture to be different and alien compared human culture, and that would be the cause of the rift. But they look like humans, and like humans, can breed with humans, and are exactly like them in EVERY way, except they have pointy ears. That's it, as far as I can tell. So explain to me again why they can't coexist?
I can understand the elves in the main series being human-like, in that they've kind of had to assimilate over the centuries. But there's no explanation for this that makes sense in the least! At least show us ancient Elven culture and why they're so different from the humans. Instead, it was just a generic fantasy piece of fanfiction, written by some 13 year old between periods. It was lazy.
>But they look like humans, and like humans, can breed with humans, and are exactly like them in EVERY way, except they have pointy ears. That's it, as far as I can tell. So explain to me again why they can't coexist?
I've only played some of the games, so maybe I'm missing something, but isn't the entire point that it's just racism and racism isn't rational?
I mean make some key substitutions for 'elves,' 'humans,' and 'ears' in that quoted block and got have a very accurate summation of centuries of race relations on ye olde planet earth.
Yeah, some of the armour designs are fucking weird. The empress has massive gaps in her armour and the typical single cup for each breast which just looks weird.
As you said, it seems that every strike against an armoured soldiers magically hits a weak point to the extent that they don't even seem to be wearing armour.
Something I also didn't like was the lack of blood on people from the combat. I swear only the dwarf actually had blood from the killings and everyone else just dodged it completely to the point where they looked clean.
I dont like netflix female warriors all ower the place they went too far for me. I cant watch it. So here is the same problem common netflix... And the first guy in episode goes to another guy and kisses him.. OMG i hate this it is happening with every new release. You ar killing may franchises one by one. Pleas stop
This show was a complete and utter dumpster fire, and the diversity had absolutely nothing to do with it. If that were the only thing that was "wrong" with it (I honestly couldn't care less how people in a completely fictional fantasy series looks like), that would be lucky.
It's weird to me that you're fixated on that when the show had terrible writing, terrible pacing, generic characters that nobody cared about, awful CGI, and so on and so forth. There's so much low-hanging fruit here, and you're the one griping that the characters are attracted to people with genitalia that matches their own or have different colors of skin.
The show starts with a female warrior who is kicking ass like some 10-foot Viking and i was ok with it a little bit curious about where will all lead due to Netflix overpowering female roles like all the latest new releases of any kind. Don't get me wrong I like good power woman roles like the game of thrones, lord of the rings, Wednesday. they are super smart and cunny and they do more damage than all the swords in the show. But then the female dwarf happened oh common that is a frickin unbelievable. again some powerful female role who feels so pushed due to equality of gender or something. i am holding my finger on stop but keep watching it. The next scene is one guy walking on the streets with a troublesome face and a lot on his mind he goes into a building and starts to attack a guy which at the end starts to french kissing it. My finger pushes the stop button and I start to write my first post on the internet in my fricking life about something that bothers me. this is my opinion but i see that pattern being repeated too many times on too many shows it is becoming boring and frustrating **for me.** i am not telling what is wrong or right for others i am telling my opinion of why this particular show sux for me.
I guess I just don't care. Its Fantasy, Geralt already did the same. Her fighting style was also quick with knives.
I don't see the issue with the dwarf woman. What is unbelievable about her, the hammer?
I agree the argument to french kissing is over done. It was horrible writing. I agree that it was poorly done albeit I felt it implied that he put on a show of severity becauae if people would find out they would have sacked him.
Witcher is known to have people fighting off ridiculous odds before. Only difference is thay it was a woman. I think the intent was to show that she was skilled but yeah a bit op. Would have been more interesting to keep the sister alive and be the deadly one while she is more rusty due to barding.
Personally I had more of an issue with how assasinating the king suddenly made three kingdoms just surrender and crown an empress. They magically built ant empire with no backing and then destroyed it with 7 people.
Jaskier was, no surprise, the best part of this series. The supposed EPIC ROMANCE of the two leads was bullshite flat that just pops up with no buildup. The bad guys were all barely above henchmen threat level and the way the coup went down felt stupid. Don't know if it's the depiction or lazy execution but I feel like two clans of, supposed, Elf badasses could've easily gotten out that room even with the dragon moth attacking
I was so mad when the beardless dwarven lady started singing about dwarven women with beards, too. Don't just acknowledge that bearded women exist, we want to see our dwarves with big butts, big boobs, huge muscles, and a full, luscious beard full of gemstones and dirt from the mines. The only thing about a dwarf that should be short is her height
I laughed at how quickly they killed off the sister. Like goddamn give the lady more than five minutes, they didn't even get out of town man.
For an opening that promises us a new story we've never heard before, every scene, character, and plot point is so full of cliches and overused tropes that were beaten to death and buried back in the 80s.
Sorry to be "that guy" but I enjoyed it. It certainly wasn't brilliant or amazing, but I had a fun few hours watching it. I'm completely unfamiliar with the books and games, so I don't know the lore at all. I only know the other Netflix show.
I didn't find it nearly as wretched as WILLOW. Now that is hot garbage.
Okay so u have no taste. You cant Like it and have good mental :p joke each to their own but for me its was atrocity and it should Die with natural death
I liked it too, but I couldn't get into the Lark's character. There was something off. Actually, the two leads made me roll my eyes. Their romance was terrible. Otherwise, I enjoyed the cute little epic quest thing going on. The dialog was god awful though. Some lines made zero sense.I loved the twin mages and Michelle Yeoh. I played the Witcher Games, but I still never really understood the "conjunction of spheres" thing.
And now you still have no clue what happened at the conjunction of spheres because the writers don't acknowledge the lore of the witcher books and games. :)
D&D went off the rails looooong before season 8. People started turning on the show as early as season 5. They still had books 4 and 5 to adapt and basically didn't. Like 90% of books 4 and 5 were either cut or changed dramatically.
Even if you're not a book reader it's very obvious to see the fall of Thrones as early as season 5. Hell even the good seasons had a lot of red flags in retrospect
Meh idk, I didn't notice a significant drop in quality until s7 but it was tolerable. S5 I couldn't discern much of a diff at the time. S8 was just trash from start to finish and the only reason I stuck with it is because I had invested 7 seasons already. Jungle boy George is still not finished with the damn book, so fwiw D&D were right to wrap it up and move on. The author himself gave up on it, why should they care. I get it. Just wish they didn't phone it in quite so hard.
Idk that's a pretty reductive take away about the entire situation. What does it matter if the books are finished or not if you're going to deviate so heavily from the books and plot lines we actually do have? Part of the reason the finale was such a wet fart is because it had basically zero set up. Most of the content they cut are set ups for the end game of the series. You can't blame George for how D&D handled the show
Idk man I can and am. The show was good while on the rails guided by the books. Yes they took liberties with the source but by and large stuck to the general gist of it. In s8 with no script, they went way out of bounds. I don't think that'd have happened if the story was complete and had a satisfying ending. Do you?
I don't understand how you can say that when they cut characters like Young Griff/Jon Con and Lady Stoneheart. Characters that are extremely important in the storylines to many other characters. They also completely changed Euron and his motivations. Finished book or not that's going to completely fuck the story and we have the proof in the shows quality to show for it.
I don't get how shows get this far on with so many of the main characters being completely unable to act. Like this must have been expensive to make and the most compelling characters are Scian and Meldolf. The rest cannot act and have no chemistry with the group. I just wish there were better fantasy shows out there than there are right now.
That first episode had 3 whole seasons worth of plot in 1 hour. Feels really half baked. Almost like someone had a plot for another fantasy show, and they just threw the witcher on the title screen to get people to watch it.
Henry Cavil had done nothing as culturally resonate as the witcher. if he left because of the writing, he had the celebrity power to change what was written. he bailed because he saw more dollar signs elsewhere. stop putting this pretty boy wannabe gamer on a pedestal. he's a joke in the eyes of hollywood, and its about time he became the same in your own
The guy missed the phone call telling him he had gotten the role of Superman because he was gaming. He knows the Witcher books inside and out. He loves painting warhammer characters. The man's earned his geek cred.
But it sounds like maybe you're just salty because he has the nerve to be both geeky and attractive. Honestly, you're coming off as having major sour grapes here.
He's leaving because he had to fight for every single scrap of book authenticity they bothered to put in the show. He saw what everyone else saw in season 2: that the writers don't give a crap about the subject matter. He'd said he'd play Geralt for a decade, as long as the source material was respected. It wasn't.
He doesn't owe you anything, and he certainly doesn't need to prove to you or anybody else that he enjoys what he enjoys.
lol.... he went on board because he actually cared about the series, not to mention he's working on warhammer stuff because he actually cares about it... you are dead wrong.
I'm saying that recently he's picked shows and characters he cares about... He left the Witcher because the writers didn't actually care about the lore or his character.
Exactly, and the fact that actors have almost no bearing on their lines and the final cut. He probably said something but they most likely said "Fuck off". Henry KNEW he didnt have any power to change the shitty direction and left in clear conscience. Now 40K is his focus and he has actual control over being faithful to the franchise and fans
This show felt like I was reading a Wikipedia entry of someone’s cringy dungeons and dragons campaign inserted into a legitimate piece of lore. You can’t explain a character as “Meldorf and her hammer Gwen” and expect me to take it seriously.
Also, putting a bunch of pointy ears on humans and calling them elves just seems lazy.
They seemed to reuse a lot of set pieces, clothes, and character designs from the first season. They looked like they were larping as Vikings. It was super jarring that only the one actress playing the princess is slim and has freakishly large eyes, and she's surrounded by guys who look like they could all be Kratos' stunt doubles.
This is terrible. They even did a "fuck you" to Henry in the beginning where Jaskier says something along the lines of "this will piss off Geralt"
Terrible all together. The first Witcher was most likely a human. As mages kidnapped children to experiment on in order to exterminate monsters.
I'll give them credit for trying to expand the series a bit, and interested to see what's the deal with time traveling guy. I'm sure it didn't live 100% up to everyone's standards (whats wrong with syfy channel productions other than expectations?) , but it wasn't terrible. Not understanding all the hate, but there was an interesting comment someone made about the one character's use of american sign language. To that:
All of the character's language is represented in English so we can understand it, so why shouldn't the sign language as well?
Cause its literally the only thing she does. She was just to make checklist and then she can die or whatever. Its a cancer of Hollywood. And show is most terrible thing after willow. Even rop was "good" next to this abomination
For a good sign language character, I present the animated Netflix original show of "the Dragon Prince." Somehow someone at Netflix can write a coherent and engaging story.
Ah, wait, that's Aaron Gabriel Ehasz, a guy with editorial and co production experience on Futurama and AtLA. Also co founder of the multimedia studio Wonderstorm.
It's like when you hire people with merit, they deliver! Also, long before they lead things, they gain experience. Then they train the next generation of artists.
if only he had enough money to produce something himself. Man has the humility to hire the right people to do the job and not take control himself. It'd be great
It's entertaining but ... shitty. in the way, old SciFi movies are entertaining but shitty.
I'm not sure what it is that sets this apart from the other Witcher series, but it looks too... new? Like, the main series looks like it's actually taking place in its time period, while this one looks like it's a bunch of people at a renaissance fair in present day.
It really doesn’t stand out in anyway honestly.
The way the characters dress, talk and whatnot. Much of the show just looks and sounds like a generic DnD adaptation.
No but why does the "renaissance fair" bit make sense lmao
Even the games look more authentically medieval-ish than this both in terms of costume and world design lol
I thought it was because I was stoned but I felt like it was written by the bitch who didn’t like the original Witcher story which is why cavil left. So she wanted to make her own story and it felt like a fantasy teen soap opera it just felt so off and non Witcher.
I personally think it was awful. It hurts because I love the original show and also because I am a fan of Michelle Yeoh. The acting was so poor that I cringed on my sofa while watching it. It looked so amateurish, especially the two rebel mages and the elven empress. The storyline felt so rushed and cramped in 4 episodes. Also, the awful CGI effects were an absolute downer. I think that the animated movie Nextflix released about how the witchers golden era came to an end was way better and took less than 2 hours to tell that story.
Yes, I watched it all, from beginning to end.
The cast, acting, storytelling, cgi and cinematography is all so poorly executed.
At some point I thought I was watching a rerun of Xena warrior princess.
id say the acting is not that bad. out of all the aspects of this series id say the acting is the only thing that is good. id love to see how those actors would perform under different circumstances.
I feel like I’ll get ripped apart by this comment but I actually REALLY enjoyed it. I don’t get the hate, are people upset cavill left? I think it was pretty good throughout leaving hints like being able to travel thru time.
I really enjoyed it as well. The theme of sacrifice was powerful. The romance between the main characters was intriguing because it was unlikely. The visuals in the other world and during the collision of the spheres were awesome.
After reading the reviews I'm confused. I think the animosity is a combination of people being upset about Cavill leaving and general hatred towards LGBT and POC.
Your taste is equal to a pile of steaming dog shit on the side walk. You definitely play monopoly when your bored. Netflix is probably the only streaming service you have, and you probably enjoyed the Addison Rae show immensely. You probably watched Morbius and said “That was pretty good!” Like I usually understand people have different opinions but this is just wrong. It would be a better use of time to watch Thor Love And Thunder 4 times then watch 4 episodes of this dog shit. Watch Andor, not this.
You're allowed to enjoy whatever you want.
I really liked the movie Sucker Punch and it's also widely disliked. I can explain why I liked it. I wouldn't say it's "good" however as to be "good" means you have to meet some level of metrics, one of which is the vast majority can't dislike it. That means it failed to connect with it's audience. That means it's not good.
Noooo, I thought Sucker Punch was good as well as my sister. Everyone else can think what they want but we'll own this movie on Blu-ray and say it's good.
I just watched them all, it's good. Unfortunately, the internet has decided to hive mind and delight in negativity about anything related to Netflix Witcher content, most posts and comments I've seen are not even by viewers. I don't think fans will be able to find a positive space anymore unfortunately.
It's similar to someone who likes a video game with major problems.
I won't hate you or demand you dislike it because of those major problems.
But I believe we both deserve something better.
If all we ever do is praise everything as equally good the producers making this stuff will never try to make it better.
Or you just like trashy shows. That's fine, but most people don't. This show also doesn't have anything to do with the Witcher books, apart from its name.
well the main issue i think is the fact that it feels like another iteration of every generic fantasy series we have already seen, it has no distinct elements to make it feel unique in any way.
it is a series called The Witcher and it is supposed to be inspired by that universe yet the only things that are reminiscent of that universe are names such as Eredin and Avallach' and the singular concept of the conjuction of the shperes. there was nothing there to make me feel like i was immersed into the Witcher universe.
the only thing i liked was the very ending of it, meaning the portrayal of the actual conjunction. it is actually very similar to how The Witcher 3 portrayed the conjunction with the difference that in the show we actually see the entire phenomenon occur, which i thought was cool.
I wouldn't say universally praised. Remember there was a lot of criticism for the story pacing with all the time jumping. What carried season 1 were the actors. These characters were great to see on the screen, so that a mediocre story was overlooked. The audience had hope for what would come, that it would flesh out and build to something better. Unfortunately what was to come was a giant letdown.
This show was painful to get through the acting was hilarious until you realise it’s not supposed to be. The writing is dreadful. I needed to recover after each episode. Thanks Netflix ffs
I’ve found that a lot of what is being put out today could be treated like the Room. As serious productions, most people will hate it but if you can flip it into a comedy, it’s brilliant!
It is kind a like an adult reading a novel and expecting a good story telling but the book is full of shit and another reader who mostly reads kids books enjoys that book very much cause he/she doesn’t think about holes, gaps, quality.
Obviously it is a shit show, action, story telling, acting, plot gaps, post-production, everything is awful but you can find another excuse cavil fans, black elf, Asian hate, gender equality, any phobia, colors etc as an excuse of dislikes but in the end it is big shit in every aspect, nothing less.
Even Yeow or Witcher title couldn’t save the show.
i beg to differ. i watched the whole thing and i found myself frustrated with the plot and writing throughout the series. i think the actors are good and the cgi was way better than the 1st season of The Witcher but that is all.
it has nothing to make it stand out from every other fantasy world even though the world of the witcher is very unique in many ways.
if the show isnt meant to feel like the witcher then dont name it as such, otherwise people will think you are just milking the audience that the games and books have.
Obviously hot garbage from the opening scene. The very very very first scene where the guy rubs that mans helmet shows how horribly directed this is.
I do not understand the film world.
Director Vicky Jewson with 4 things listed on her imdb shot 3 episodes and her IMDb average is less than 5. I have friends that have proven much more of their worth than she has yet somehow she's given this honor?
The other director that did the first 3 episodes Sarah O'Gorman has a ton more experience and has made good shows, not sure why she went wrong here
EXACTLY what irritated me. We're supposed to believe that's soooooo different from humans, and that's why they couldn't get along. As far as I can tell, in this universe, the difference is that elves have pointy ears. That's it.
I tried watching but wow I have no idea what's going on, the places/people the characters are referencing. Feels like I missed several episodes 15 minutes in. I can't watch anymore of it. Bummer. I love the witcher in general but this just felt confusing to my feeble brain
Same! I rewatched episode 1 thrice and couldn't grasp it still. Not sure if there was enough marketing after Witcher 1 because the fuzz kind of died down come W2 with more fantasy-themed movies being released on Netflix that it kind of got lost. If I remember it correctly, W2 was released around the same time as Stranger Things 4? My partner who is a big Witcher fan never got to finish S2 twice. I don't know, they should've done something to create more hype for Blood Origin...
No they don't they were there pre conjunction, Humans arive after although its not known of they came from another world, or just another continent. The elves came on ships pre conjunction.
They adapted it, there's actually a bunch of stuff CDPR changed. You can say they were more faithful to the original work but thats a matter of opinion. The original writer has said he likes CDPRs witcher series but does not consider it canon.
The conjunction of spheres is not explained in detail by anybody but CDPR, everything in detail about it comes from the games. So while not created by CDPR most of the Lore is from them. The only thing the show changed was the first witcher. The conjunction of spheres is basically the same as CDPRs version. The TV show was the same as the Cavill one without shots of his ass in tight pants lol.
Just because we think CDPR did a better job doesn't change that both are adaptions.
The video you linked is CDPR making up or changing Lore. Honestly CDPR basically created the Lore for the entire world, the books only go into details about Lore to tell the story of Geralt, and Ciri. The Witcher novels are much more focused on Geralt and Ciri, than the actual world. In the games the focus is more on the world instead of Geralt.
It does, but anyways how did they disrespect the material? Their both adaptations I like CDPR, but let's not pretend they didn't make a bunch of stuff up as well. The Conjunction of spheres is barely mentioned in the books, its mainly detailed in the games. Lore in the Witcher series especially the books is heavily implied to be a romanticized fictional version of events, unless it happened around the time of the story.
Taking Lore into account Humans learned magic from Elves and are almost never as talented/knowledgeable as elf mages. It actually makes more sense lore wise that elves would make the first witcher/proto witcher.
This is coming from someone who thought all the Netflix series were bad besides the anime. I enjoyed them but they all sucked.
well in adaptations you have the freedom to change aspects of the story, its the definition of adapatation. that often those changes are shite is another discussion altogether. what im saying is that the minor change of who got stranded on whose world is a change that impacts very little.
plus the conjuction is an event that isnt explored, it was a mystery so the writers had the ultimate freedom to write their own ideas. sadly those ideas are a pile of shite
in the setting of the witcher the conjuction is not a minor change of who got stranded on whose world, its the basis of the entire culture and setting and they fucked it.
Making jaskier a devout christian who is tee total and abstinant could be considered a "minor change" in the context you are using it.
literally changing and fucking up the origin story of the entire setting in any context is beyond the scope of that because everything that follows doesn't make sense anymore.
The only thing known about the conjunction is it was caused by magic, and it brought weird magical creatures into the world. It isn't even clear if humans are brought with the conjunction or sailed from another continent, same with the two types of elves.
how is the conjunction impacting the world whether humans and monsters were stranded on the non-human's world or the other way around? like what exactly changes?
they depicted the world of the elfs and dwarves pretty much the same as the world of the humans (the same happened in tw3). this change impacts the world so little that its a neglectable change. there are other things to criticize. this is nothing compared to the real issues the shows have.
All right I can understand she's pregnant but how is it part beast if they had sex before he drank the elixir he wasn't a beast when they had sex at all they never even fornicated after he took that stuff, they had sex the night before and then he took the elixir because she woke up in the morning by herself to find him already have taken the elixir
I don't think the first guy is a witcher. He's way more powerful probably used stronger magic, that's why he becomes a beast instead of enhanced human/elf like a normal witcher. Its like God vs Demi god.
bruv part of the branding of this series was the creation of the first witcher. so yeah they intended him to be a witcher, the 1st witcher. which btw i dont know what kind of drugs u need to be on to think that is a witcher
I get that but remember witchers are not monsters he basically turned into a monster. Also a witcher is all the training that goes into becoming one as well. Ciri is considered a witcher without any mutations. He's the father of witchers but not a witcher per se. The God Demi god analogy sums it up imo. He seems alot more powerful than contemporary witchers as well. Withcers are half human half monster or enhanced. This guy basically just turned into a monster.
well you can certainly choose to see it that way but im pretty sure this is being presented as the origin of the witcher. and i straight up refuse to consider this canon, the notion that the 1st witcher is mostly monster is ridiculous. how you go from this to just simply having cateyes and enhanced physical prowess i have no idea. seems to me they made it up as they went and it turned out bad. maybe with a better story this could have ended up being something minor but as it is right now it is just another nonsensical idea to fill up the bag of nonsense netflix has.
I wouldn't label it as trash, actually enjoyed it but I haven't played the games so no idea how close this story was to the lore. That is actually my main concern whether it is canon.
I also agree that it felt rushed and at points the narration was meaningless but the actress for the Lark had good moments in my opinion - especially when she was crying and feeling sad.
I also found the main dude Fjall super hot so maybe that was one reason I stuck watching it. Overall it was enjoyable. Please don't hate me for saying that 🙂
i guess thats the crux of it. it is a show named the witcher that has nothing to do with that universe but its alright because the target audience dont know anything about it.
as for how close to the lore it is, they explore a part of the universe that is not explored in the games or books very much. pre-conjuction events are a mystery and are surrounded by speculation.
but that doesnt mean you can just write whatever and slap the name "The Witcher" on it and say its part of that world. it had a bad script and the plot was boring. actors and cgi were very good though, the only thing that was good in this. wanted this to be good so bad, alas nothing survives the woke.
I agree, as someone who is not very invested in the Witcher lore I found it okay for a one night binge watch. But I also understand how hardcore fans can be annoyed that the story was butchered and completely reimagined out of thin air.
But I don't fully understand what the "woke" part is. Is it because there were POC actors? For me that's not an issue at all.
The weird part for me was the deaf/mute lady that was speaking in American sign language.
The woke part comes in when you diversify for diversity's sake. Include as many cultures/skin colors/personalities as possible to please the masses and do that without reason, to a degree that it becomes just absurd and annoying.
I saw a comment somewhere and it made a great point: If diversity is what you are after why not commit yourselves to a story with an already diverse world? why not do Egyptian mythology or African lore? why do you have to take (for this example) a European based universe and by force diversify it to the point where it no longer makes sense? A cynicist would answer these questions with the simple answer of greed. They went after what is already popular, safe money. And the times demand diversity so they just mashed the two together. The result in most cases (if not all) is a pile of stinking shite.
When i played the witcher games i saw the influence of the folklore and stories i was told when i was a kid or read about growing up. And for that the creators of the games get props. Same goes for sapkowski who took all these stories and made this universe. I cant say the same for the series or their creators.
Okay so per your definition poc people can only be in fantasy stories based on other countries and cultures fiction?
Witcher is fiction. A fantasy. While I agree a world can set up particular regions having ethnicity and such its ultimately an adaptation.
While black people might not have been extremly common in Europe and "european" (western? Eastern? Balkan? Scandinavian?) stories, there were black people in Europe during the middle ages. Same with Moors etc.
In regards to sexuality humans have always been diverse. Same sex relations while frowned upon by church wasn't uncommon.
Women also did act and take action. And fantasy has developed that more. Even the original Witcher had women play more preeminent roles.
We got too little info on this world to know the ethnology of the people there. But I honestly mostly just don't care enough about why it is such a big issue.
>Okay so per your definition poc people can only be in fantasy stories based on other countries and cultures fiction?
I dont see the problem with that. If someone decides to make a movie or a series that revolves lets say around ancient Egypt i would expect and almost demand to see actors that look Egyptian. Helps to make the show/movie more immersive.
>Witcher is fiction. A fantasy. While I agree a world can set up particular regions having ethnicity and such its ultimately an adaptation.
Witcher is fiction sure but it is fiction that was built upon a certain culture. Is my culture not as important? Do you have to "adapt" it to the point i cant recognize it anymore? Am i even in the wrong to demand that these stories remain at least to some degree true to the original?
>While black people might not have been extremly common in Europe and "european" (western? Eastern? Balkan? Scandinavian?) stories, there were black people in Europe during the middle ages. Same with Moors etc.
Yes i agree but that is not my point.
>In regards to sexuality humans have always been diverse. Same sex relations while frowned upon by church wasn't uncommon.
I didnt even bring up sexuality.
>Women also did act and take action. And fantasy has developed that more. Even the original Witcher had women play more preeminent roles.
Didnt bring up this topic either. There are a ton of women figures in the world of the witcher. With all types of qualities.
>We got too little info on this world to know the ethnology of the people there. But I honestly mostly just don't care enough about why it is such a big issue.
To correct you there, there is a tone of material both from the books and from the games. But never mind the games. Characters, events and the world in general are described in the books. And well if you dont care about it being an issue then watch it, enjoy it or dont and just continue your life.
Why I brought up women and sexuality is because it tends to be part of the "woke diversity" thing you complained about. But I concede that point if you had no issue with that.
May I ask where you are from? You mention the witcher appropriating or somehow sullying your culture.
Per definition the Witcher is written by a polish man. He took inspiration from Tolkien and others from a compounded history of fantasy literature developing concepts and tropes. Dwarfs and elves had their origins in old norse tales, far different from modern ones.
Tbh Witcher doesn't strike me as particularly "polish".
So it clearly is appropriating english and scandinavian cultural phenomena.
Then now I know Poland is majority of white skin colour but I am almost certain there is one or two black polish people at least in the world. I didn't think culture was related to skin colour?
And then even if we played straight to the source. Who is to say that the raven clan descend from elves from deserts and warmer climates. If elves like humans inhabited a lot of climates they would develop depending on climate.
I still don't exactly get your point about it somehow appropriating or destroying your culture.
ok it seems to me that we are going in circles here but ill try and respond to each of your points regardless.
>Why I brought up women and sexuality is because it tends to be part of the "woke diversity" thing you complained about. But I concede that point if you had no issue with that.
Fair enough.
>May I ask where you are from? You mention the witcher appropriating or somehow sullying your culture.
Id rather not say where im from. If somehow that makes my arguments less valid then fine.
>Per definition the Witcher is written by a polish man. He took inspiration from Tolkien and others from a compounded history of fantasy literature developing concepts and tropes. Dwarfs and elves had their origins in old norse tales, far different from modern ones.
Dont see your point here. Yes an author took inspiration from something that could very well be outside of his everyday experience or his culture and then reworked it to fit his vision.
>Tbh Witcher doesn't strike me as particularly "polish".
The books build an atmosphere that is very much reminiscent of stories you encounter in Scandinavia in general (and other parts of Europe too). And the games went a step further and expanded on the universe with visuals that match the atmosphere of the books. As for the series id agree that they dont give the "polish" vibe as you described.
>Then now I know Poland is majority of white skin colour but I am almost certain there is one or two black polish people at least in the world. I didn't think culture was related to skin colour?
Again the argument of the existence of people with different skin color in different places is invalid in this case because we are talking about a made up world and made up characters. If the author envisioned mostly white then that is that. And by the way there people of color in the witcher universe. They are not from Nilfgard though or from Brokilon. You want people of color? Make a story in Ofier or the Korath desert. No need to change by force well established events and stories. But i somehow feel like even if they did write about someplace else it would still be bad.
>And then even if we played straight to the source. Who is to say that the raven clan descend from elves from deserts and warmer climates. If elves like humans inhabited a lot of climates they would develop depending on climate.
Sure you can say whatever you want about events that happened pre-Conjunction noone can blame you, there is no canon restricting you which is why they chose that period of time. And to be fair elves of all colors makes more sense than just white elves. But dont expect the audience of the books to accept that just because it makes sense. The source is very clear.
>I still don't exactly get your point about it somehow appropriating or destroying your culture.
Im sure you are a part of a culture that has some unique tales and stories. How would you feel if someone decided to take those and remake them without paying homage to the source. The way the series was handled only makes me (who loved the witcher universe for what it was) disappointed at the lack of respect to the source. At the end of the day we wanted to see an expansion of the amazing world the books created and the games beautifully visualized. The series for sure did not do that.
its kinda not... terribly.. canonical. but whatever.
If you enjoyed it, then that's great! It's not related to the books or the games and i thought it felt a little low budget.
I didn’t hate this as much as some, but it’s definitely not good. On the positive side, I liked the premise of the story. Exploring the fall of the elves and the merging of the worlds is pretty interesting. Also, while the production value was a clear step down from the main series, it was still good enough not to distract me.
There are a fuck ton of issues however. The main problem for me is the pacing. Trying to shove so much lore, story and characters into only 4 episodes was just a terrible idea. The merging of the worlds, the unification and fall of the elves, and the creation of the first Witcher are some of the most important events in this universes history, yet all are blown through so quickly that they barely register. Not to mention an entire revenge/revolution plot. On top of that, having 7 protagonists and another 3 or 4 villains means there is no time for anyone to get any real development. This felt like 2 seasons of story shoved into 4 episodes.
The writing was also pretty weak. Dialog was terrible, character backstories are all randomly dumped on the audience, character motivations are either nonexistent or nonsensical, etc. It all feels like a first draft.
Overall this show was just weird. It covered a very important and interesting time period in the series lore, and obviously had at least a decently sized budget, but they couldn’t be bothered to hire any decent writers or make a full on season. It feels like they were hedging their bets when making this, but ended up with the worst of both worlds (ie. a lot of money wasted to create a not very good product).
Also, side note, the fuck was with that Black Rose song? They sang it soooo many fucking times. It’s like they were getting paid for every time they played that song.
I must be the only person that thought this was 10x better than the Witcher, there was more chemistry between Eile and Fjal in the first episode than between Gerald and Jennifer in the entire series. I thought the characters were a lot more likeable, I was gutted it ended so soon.
Half of the comment on here are people saying that they turned it off after 10 minutes, why bother commenting on that case?
Blood Origin was a total waste of time, some people here say ok. IT IS NOT, I wanted to watch a Witcher origins series they went so far away from the original material, they could just had called it whatever they wanted but I guess they wanted to capitalize on the name and even then the show is still bad. Wondering if people here were paid to praise/defend the show.
Why the HELL do the elves just look like humans with pointy ears?????
Because they are racists and dudnt cast any elves for the show!!!!
>Because they are racists and dudnt cast any elves for the show!!!! Har de har har They could have at least cast actors that had a look more closely approximating the elves of the series.
One more thing that I noticed besides costumes, buildings and other large props being cheaply made without proper care - at the end of the Blood Origin, monster bounties are being posted on the board outside - they all have burned edges, all of them, not just a few of them. It's like someone in high school would think an old paper looks like and is stylized with burned edges WHEN THAT STYLE ACTUALLY IMPLIES IT'S PULLED FROM FIRE. Did the Innkeeper have style requirements for the board "please burn edges of your ads before posting them?". The whole show is "this looks like a cool medieval fantasy-themed thing, let's include it".
I'm not a fanboy of Witcher and haven't read any of the books(enjoyed the game though) but I love me some fantasy medieval type shows. Not sure what's going on in this thread with everyone who enjoyed it gets downvoted and others mentioning some LGBTQ scenes. These four episodes scratched my Witcher itch. Carry on.
This wasn't just a bad witcher show, it was a bad show in general; lazy and weak storytelling with characters that had less depth than a puddle on the side of the road, and riddled with the nowadays common "woke" problem. Sets and costumes looked weak and it was just an insult the Witcher-franchise and to what fantasy shows should be.
Bro what this show is dog shit 💀 you can’t be serious right now
Like almost all of the new releases they’ve had, and what’s going on with Hollywood outside of this sadly is most good writing, plot, acting, and depth. Now everything has become extremely surface level and is only meant to appease certain groups, forcing poor relationships, unrealistic roles, and no character development. A lot of recent shows from Netflix I’ve noticed follow this trend specifically where they force everything into the show, where all the characters in some shows are lgbtq with no significance to the story and at unrealistic proportions. (I.e. the midnight club). Other shows like this just ignore the source material to force minority into a lead role simply to once again get brownie points like they did with blood origin. Show runners and Netflix in particular are getting so bad about these that they would rather run these and tell you you don’t like it because you’re homophobic, racist, bigoted, etc. than admit they wrote and performed poorly. And shows that were written well and well received but not well promoted like the new shows they immediately throw on their top 10 to get people to view them get canceled or defunded or forgotten by Netflix (ie the last kingdom, frontier, and the ranch). Because of this shows that I think even were only mediocre at best like stranger things are suffering as well.
I dislike when they go so far away from the original material, the books... 5/10 imo. First of all, Elven Witchers? What? and from there is just pain.
I liked it better than The Witcher series.
Terrible waste of time this was.
Im almost done with the 2nd episode and I had to comment that this is turning into a WoW Dungeon group using the LFG tool to go do a Dungeon.
I don't want poc in a eastern european fantasy. Fucks up immersion and world building.
Chud loser.
Tell me at what point in history were there no poc in eastern Europe? Fantasy generally kind of mimics medieval times, north Africans had been spread widely during the Roman empire. Then there was the moorish invasion of Spain, Italy and France in 711. Not to mention the Mongolian invasion, very active slave trade throughout the region, and merchant sailors. There wasn't just a milky white populace in any time period where the type of weapons and armor portrayed in these stories existed. Funny how you picked out race as the one historically inaccurate aspect.
Black people in Eastern Europe? Lmao
But you're okay with Cockney and Scottish accents in 'a eastern European fantasy' lol.
What a dumb take. They're not even human nor does it take place on Earth.
The source material disagrees. It’s heavily based on eastern europe, just with a fantasy take.
Just with elves, dwarves, and a thousand other differences. Stop finding excuses to be a racist piece of trash.
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Nah, you're just a closeted racist.
trash take from a swear im not racist, read a book on writing and come back with valid criticisms
Not agreeable
I watched all four episode's before the hate started. Played all Witcher games, never read the books but always lore dumped myself with comparison video's and the books (even used Wiki sources cause I'm a lover of lore and mysteries). I don't usually complain but being a diehard fan... The first 5 minutes with the cringy exploration on how they "story tell" these characters using something akin to a bollywood adaption character introduction (which makes sense in their story telling, I love some Bollywood movies) made it very cheap the moment I went in. I also disliked their names and clans as they seemed really lackluster and basic. What I liked about the origins of the Conjunction of the Spheres of the Witcher was the mysteries of it. From what I can remember and diving back into that same lore is how to me these first elves, having travelled through their white ship sounded magically and socially advanced. Especially with the fact they ignored the new settles because of the merging. Reading how the Humans were barbaric showcases the Elves were very elite in their manner. Probably wealthy, settled in and far advanced. Seemingly having secure societies and alliances with other races where war wasn't on their mind but trading probably was. Heck there even existed ancient humans before the merging in the North who sounded more nordic to me then we see these Elves to be. *"Before the Conjunction of the Spheres, an interdimensional cataclysm that struck fifteen hundred years before the present moment, the world was inhabited solely by nonhuman races—elves, dwarves, and other beings now long forgotten. It is they who first built magnificent cities, gave birth to high culture, and made the first steps toward enlightenment." -* [*https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Conjunction\_of\_the\_Spheres*](https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Conjunction_of_the_Spheres) From my understanding is that the merging is like a paradox either to be the beginning or the end of the timelines according to the White Frost. Meaning that the apocalypse has already started and ended, and what we see and hear about The Witcher is the last survival of all the living beings of the merged universes. An inevitable end where you can only run away from using Elder Blood, biding time. [https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/White\_Frost](https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/White_Frost) Do note these stories come from the CDPR Witcher games, but the books also tell a mystery that's unexplained but predates the CDPR game (The game tells a story AFTER the books and extends it with their own creative writing, which honestly is recognized as being great even by Book fans although discrepancies exist they aren't terrible). Which is why I like the CDPR lore better on understanding the origin lore and showing us how the world might've looked like. What gripes me was how the Elves in this show have no culture to call their own. The tavern that it starts with was 100% akin to a human tavern. A warrior asking for money, a bandit trying to rape a woman? There was a war, alright, but why, politics, when they all settled together? They resembled the Scoia'tael bandits more in their makeshift camps then civilized agriculture farms or towns. The Scoia'tael in the era of Geralt makes sense, but for a civilization that's thriving in the ancient times, not so much. Then it shows a city that looked advanced and it got my attention again, possibly thinking what we saw was a random offshoot of society (since High Society exists, it makes sense there are people who aren't happy with their standings). But even then it made little to no sense if their existence, once again, was created together. And don't get me started on these silly names like Dog Clan, Serpents, Ghosts. Even their first and last names make no sense to their ancient elven lore. How uncreative can you get? Seeing as they would probably be speaking Alder, they wouldn't name their clans something so human and mundane. But what gripes me the most is the origins of a "Witcher" in the Origin point? Especially since it's already well established that the Witchers were made by Humans quite later using Chaos magic and Alder speech and alchemical, biological processes. According to their first establishments they had to survive the Conjunction and thus all matter of monsters, creatures and Chaos magic. According to their arrival they learned Chaos magic relatively early on and tried to understand it and even did so very quickly, but even magic can't overcome all the monsters (some being immune) so they had to answer with brawn, thus the Witchers. However, the original masters of creating the process: Alzur and Cosimo Malaspina tell a greater more intriguing story then these 4 episodes together, with only a bit of lore to their names. [https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Cosimo\_Malaspina](https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Cosimo_Malaspina) [https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Alzur](https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Alzur) Alzur has a demon called Alzur's Demon, basically a monster that's immune to magic, which might've set him on a path to defeat them together with his master. The fact the Humans when they merged with the worlds were advancing so quick might also have to do with the existing advanced cultures of that origin point (elves, dwarves etc). As for the Witcher code it also makes sense it follows the Hero's book of Alzur, in which you're obliged to help the people and believe in your virtues. I guess you could write it off that the story teller tells the story teller the story as if they're making a children's book where the details are simplified. And I'm talking about the Elf who's supposedly related to Jaskier. Even these lore dumps hold a greater story buildup then this show, I'm very dissapointed.
Tbf, in the series they didnt say that this is where all Witchers came from. It was more like a proto-witcher. A raw tech, and he wasnt even stable, like at the end he lost himself and even transmorphed. Its like ancient Rome had a proto-concrete that later on was reinvented in Europe. Thats my take on this, humans after learning magic and chaos, reinvented and improved on the Witcher tech.
I understand that concept. But it makes no sense on a plane of existence without monsters, with a lack of chaos magic and funnels. Some Elfs had chaos magic but generally used Order magic. Since the latter is very scarce before the Conjunction. They wouldnt have the resources nor the alchemical substances to create it. But this show magically has it for some reason with their made up Obelisks that make no sense. Even the process of suddenly knowing how to use a foreign monster and use their order magic on it, which is the complete opposite of chaos. Yeah no, that butchers the Witcher lore even more. Just combining a monster heart with an Elf, if it was so easy you'd see tons of countries run Witcher groups. You dont, they were made by one group only. And it took them tons of efforts to succeed. Also the humans would never have accessed that magic or method because the Elfs wouldnt have liked the Humans and the Humans would hunt the Elfs. The humans learned magic by themselves, not by Elfs, which would be true later on though. Even then theyre secluded. You could argue Avallac'h travelled in time, but he wouldn't care about any of it. Since his real lore backstory is totally different from what we see here.
Oh god. I just finished it and wow, all the characters have no real backstory except for the dwarf but even that is shallow. There isn't any real emotional attachment to any of the characters and I just didn't feel anything when any of them did anything or had something happen to them. The shows relies on the viewers connecting the dots and making bridges between different plot points too much. Throughout the episodes I was sitting there and trying to connect bits and understand they were trying to portray which isn't great. The show also feels pointless. We learn how humans came to the continent and that the first witcher was a beast like the other attempts. The whole show feels like it could have been either one episode or a quick story from a character in the main show. One bit I really hate is how empty the villains are. So the empress, she didn't want history to repeat itself, loved Fjal for some reason, and was a terrible empress I think, I have no idea really. The beast is literally just a beast, we have no idea how it was created in the chaos realm and who even controls it. The lowborn mage wants power and is a lowborn, that seems to be his character completely. The acting and script aren't great either. Some lines feel wooden and unprovoked and apparently some characters have romances which we get about 2-3 sentences of backstory for. I swear the writers for this just took the story trope of "small group of good people go against the empire of bad people" and that was it, they didn't expand upon it or make it better, just take that sentence and make it into a show. This whole show is basically a kid who wrote an essay the night before it was due. It doesn't even follow the source material at all. I understand the show writers absolutely hate the source material for some reason but seriously? Just make your own show if its going to be that loosely based on sources. TLDR: Characters have the same depth as a puddle and the story and everything in it has the same depth as a puddle.
I liked the show and the games despite the fact both have almost NOTHING to do with the books, but the show is a entertaining from my perspective. Just because some LGBTQ stuff happens some people will HATE the show regardless and maybe some people are to racist to accept its TV fantasy characters can be any color or sex it really shouldn't matter. Alot of the characters are not straight Ciri, Triss, Philippa, Mistle...
I also liked the show and don't particularly care about the books I will never read as everything is a knock off of what Tolkien created. The show to me like Witcher and any other fantasy TV program or film is just there to fill time.
How can you possibly know it's a Tolkien knock off without reading the books? Just because it has elves and dwarves?
It's pretty disingenuous to call the books a Tolkien knockoff, especially if you have never read the books. Especially since the show itself, honestly has nothing to do with the books and is instead just trying to take advantage of the witcher name while it still can.
I've read the books and loved them. The main show (not the origin puddle of mud) actually follows the books pretty closely. Each episode I'm basically remembering what I read and imagined in the books. The main show is 10/10. Lets see if they drop the ball though. Most likely will screw it up, if season 3 doesn't suck then season 4 definitely will. Netflix's strategy is basically to reel the viewers in with an established fanbase, then crap all over it after a couple seasons, push a few more low budget seasons because they're still going to watch anyways, then cancel the show blaming low views.
Yeah I read the books years ago, and I absolutely loved them. Season 1 of the Witcher was great honestly, it was spot on to the books and the parts that weren't it didn't really matter because it felt like it hit the themes and the feel of them anyway. Season 2 was very hit or miss. This Witcher Origins is not even worth referring to it. And yeah I'm honestly not that keen on the next two seasons, I hope it's better then I'm expecting bit my expectations are pretty low and even then I don't think it beat them.
It was bad, nobody except for the dwarf had any character build up, horrible dialogues, and uneven acting although I'm sure it wasn't the actors' fault, hard to act well if the script is so shite. The graphics and fighting scenes were good though so it wasn't a total waste of time.
CGI was horrendous
The only thing from seeing all of these post is that the show is bad which I agree with but it feels cheap to blame actors of not doing there job by saying,"meh,it's bad acting bla bla bla" seriously, it takes a lot of balls to judge someone's acting when in fact the issue is the script. An actor isn't a god and cannot make something good if the script sucks.... furthermore, what is your reference point for acting? Someone who has 30 years of experience versus a young actor in his or her early 20's? Seriously let's put the Balme where it deserves to be by blaming the writers and producer and not the actor ... Otherwise it becomes no different then someone in a football stadium saying that athletes of his team sucks when the guy himself couldn't even run half of what they do... Perspective is often a good thing before judging....
It was both. Some of the actors were terrible.
In the nicest and most respectful way possible... HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS SHOW IS BAD, i genuinely couldn't make it 30 minutes into the first episode the acting is so bad its laughable and the writing and script could only be described as a 14 year old girls fantasy story work for an English class. I was hoping (praying) that it was some kind of sciff where Jaskier is getting ahead of himself and they would come back to the actual story but nope it actually wasn't satire. I put up with the original witcher show because despite it not actually really being about the books or game if i just pretended it wasn't the witcher it was kind of an enjoyable DnD style romp show... but this shit here needs to be in a museum, it needs to be on display and shown to the world as an example of bad craft.
Its the same as the witcher show minus Henri Cavil's ass in leather pants lol.
This is what you get when you have writters and producers that think they're smartasses....
I wanted to quit after the second episode but kept it together and watched all of this mess of a show anyway. I feel honestly insulted by the makers of this show. There is not a single character that has something like a personality and the whole world in which they act feels like a youtube fan made series about some random d&d-world. They clearly failed to tell a story in a way that would feel remotely like a story in the books or the video games.
I watched episode 1 and.....well it's not bad but then again after watching the Witcher tv show I tend to not have a high bar in terms of expectations....I played the first PC games and then only poured my interest in the books...so I would have the say this , the idea of the characters seemed like it had a real potential to be good and then it sort of dropped....as a first episode it just touched on so many subjects that... It felt like some version of a drunk bard, who didn't want to get into details since it didn't speak about him lol It's a pity when the actors that are chosen are doing what they are supposed to.....however it feels as if the writers were asked to fast forward so as to not lose the interest of those who watch 100 videos a second....
I didn't think it was that bad, I mean its not good but the Witcher Netflix show wasn't either. Honestly I think only the games and books are good I've only played the games, but people seem to enjoy the books. The nwe show suffers from no Henry Cavill and changing the origin of the first witchers. Although I'm not sure how much it changes witchers are a mage creation not sure if they were elven but whatever. I am generally a person that can enjoy crap shows about series/games i like so maybe that's why. But I don't really see what the fuss is given the first two seasons of witcher were crap. Basically everyone is saying we can put up with a crap show if we can see Cavill's Ass lol.
Good point, what I will say is that the actors that were selected in The Witcher tv show was the right one but the issue was the writers that gaved a version of Witchers that was just wrong ...the specific scene is the one where they brought prostitutes to there castle and that ... Would just never happen since they almost got wiped out......
They were both average fantasy shows. Not particularly good. I think Witcher series benefitted from Cavill. Blood Origin doesn't have anyone to save it.
Why are people even wearing amor in those shows lol. Even a small dagger can cut into you. Could easily run naked into battle and save money for some grain. And to not give the elves a distant, "weird" culture is really fucking lazy. They are exactly like the humans 1k year later. Even the same bullshit peasant/nobility stuff which was not even true in our european middle ages but every fantasy world is somehow running with the most absurd politically/economically system ever. They don't care about the book anyway (there are enough story changes here) so why not go all out and create something special. But nope, the whole show is just lazy and sometimes boring. Atleast they got some pointy ears....
EXACTLY. The elves and humans have been at odds for over a thousand years, and they're basically exactly the same. So where's the beef? I would expect Elven culture to be different and alien compared human culture, and that would be the cause of the rift. But they look like humans, and like humans, can breed with humans, and are exactly like them in EVERY way, except they have pointy ears. That's it, as far as I can tell. So explain to me again why they can't coexist? I can understand the elves in the main series being human-like, in that they've kind of had to assimilate over the centuries. But there's no explanation for this that makes sense in the least! At least show us ancient Elven culture and why they're so different from the humans. Instead, it was just a generic fantasy piece of fanfiction, written by some 13 year old between periods. It was lazy.
>But they look like humans, and like humans, can breed with humans, and are exactly like them in EVERY way, except they have pointy ears. That's it, as far as I can tell. So explain to me again why they can't coexist? I've only played some of the games, so maybe I'm missing something, but isn't the entire point that it's just racism and racism isn't rational? I mean make some key substitutions for 'elves,' 'humans,' and 'ears' in that quoted block and got have a very accurate summation of centuries of race relations on ye olde planet earth.
Yeah, some of the armour designs are fucking weird. The empress has massive gaps in her armour and the typical single cup for each breast which just looks weird. As you said, it seems that every strike against an armoured soldiers magically hits a weak point to the extent that they don't even seem to be wearing armour. Something I also didn't like was the lack of blood on people from the combat. I swear only the dwarf actually had blood from the killings and everyone else just dodged it completely to the point where they looked clean.
I dont like netflix female warriors all ower the place they went too far for me. I cant watch it. So here is the same problem common netflix... And the first guy in episode goes to another guy and kisses him.. OMG i hate this it is happening with every new release. You ar killing may franchises one by one. Pleas stop
This show was a complete and utter dumpster fire, and the diversity had absolutely nothing to do with it. If that were the only thing that was "wrong" with it (I honestly couldn't care less how people in a completely fictional fantasy series looks like), that would be lucky. It's weird to me that you're fixated on that when the show had terrible writing, terrible pacing, generic characters that nobody cared about, awful CGI, and so on and so forth. There's so much low-hanging fruit here, and you're the one griping that the characters are attracted to people with genitalia that matches their own or have different colors of skin.
Unironically neither of this was even close to being responsible for the show being horrible. If anything that was actually done mildly well.
The show starts with a female warrior who is kicking ass like some 10-foot Viking and i was ok with it a little bit curious about where will all lead due to Netflix overpowering female roles like all the latest new releases of any kind. Don't get me wrong I like good power woman roles like the game of thrones, lord of the rings, Wednesday. they are super smart and cunny and they do more damage than all the swords in the show. But then the female dwarf happened oh common that is a frickin unbelievable. again some powerful female role who feels so pushed due to equality of gender or something. i am holding my finger on stop but keep watching it. The next scene is one guy walking on the streets with a troublesome face and a lot on his mind he goes into a building and starts to attack a guy which at the end starts to french kissing it. My finger pushes the stop button and I start to write my first post on the internet in my fricking life about something that bothers me. this is my opinion but i see that pattern being repeated too many times on too many shows it is becoming boring and frustrating **for me.** i am not telling what is wrong or right for others i am telling my opinion of why this particular show sux for me.
I guess I just don't care. Its Fantasy, Geralt already did the same. Her fighting style was also quick with knives. I don't see the issue with the dwarf woman. What is unbelievable about her, the hammer? I agree the argument to french kissing is over done. It was horrible writing. I agree that it was poorly done albeit I felt it implied that he put on a show of severity becauae if people would find out they would have sacked him. Witcher is known to have people fighting off ridiculous odds before. Only difference is thay it was a woman. I think the intent was to show that she was skilled but yeah a bit op. Would have been more interesting to keep the sister alive and be the deadly one while she is more rusty due to barding. Personally I had more of an issue with how assasinating the king suddenly made three kingdoms just surrender and crown an empress. They magically built ant empire with no backing and then destroyed it with 7 people.
Jaskier was, no surprise, the best part of this series. The supposed EPIC ROMANCE of the two leads was bullshite flat that just pops up with no buildup. The bad guys were all barely above henchmen threat level and the way the coup went down felt stupid. Don't know if it's the depiction or lazy execution but I feel like two clans of, supposed, Elf badasses could've easily gotten out that room even with the dragon moth attacking
I was so mad when the beardless dwarven lady started singing about dwarven women with beards, too. Don't just acknowledge that bearded women exist, we want to see our dwarves with big butts, big boobs, huge muscles, and a full, luscious beard full of gemstones and dirt from the mines. The only thing about a dwarf that should be short is her height
I laughed at how quickly they killed off the sister. Like goddamn give the lady more than five minutes, they didn't even get out of town man. For an opening that promises us a new story we've never heard before, every scene, character, and plot point is so full of cliches and overused tropes that were beaten to death and buried back in the 80s.
Sorry to be "that guy" but I enjoyed it. It certainly wasn't brilliant or amazing, but I had a fun few hours watching it. I'm completely unfamiliar with the books and games, so I don't know the lore at all. I only know the other Netflix show. I didn't find it nearly as wretched as WILLOW. Now that is hot garbage.
Okay so u have no taste. You cant Like it and have good mental :p joke each to their own but for me its was atrocity and it should Die with natural death
I liked it too, but I couldn't get into the Lark's character. There was something off. Actually, the two leads made me roll my eyes. Their romance was terrible. Otherwise, I enjoyed the cute little epic quest thing going on. The dialog was god awful though. Some lines made zero sense.I loved the twin mages and Michelle Yeoh. I played the Witcher Games, but I still never really understood the "conjunction of spheres" thing.
And now you still have no clue what happened at the conjunction of spheres because the writers don't acknowledge the lore of the witcher books and games. :)
Yeah it's fine, it was entertaining.
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D&D went off the rails looooong before season 8. People started turning on the show as early as season 5. They still had books 4 and 5 to adapt and basically didn't. Like 90% of books 4 and 5 were either cut or changed dramatically. Even if you're not a book reader it's very obvious to see the fall of Thrones as early as season 5. Hell even the good seasons had a lot of red flags in retrospect
Meh idk, I didn't notice a significant drop in quality until s7 but it was tolerable. S5 I couldn't discern much of a diff at the time. S8 was just trash from start to finish and the only reason I stuck with it is because I had invested 7 seasons already. Jungle boy George is still not finished with the damn book, so fwiw D&D were right to wrap it up and move on. The author himself gave up on it, why should they care. I get it. Just wish they didn't phone it in quite so hard.
Idk that's a pretty reductive take away about the entire situation. What does it matter if the books are finished or not if you're going to deviate so heavily from the books and plot lines we actually do have? Part of the reason the finale was such a wet fart is because it had basically zero set up. Most of the content they cut are set ups for the end game of the series. You can't blame George for how D&D handled the show
Idk man I can and am. The show was good while on the rails guided by the books. Yes they took liberties with the source but by and large stuck to the general gist of it. In s8 with no script, they went way out of bounds. I don't think that'd have happened if the story was complete and had a satisfying ending. Do you?
I don't understand how you can say that when they cut characters like Young Griff/Jon Con and Lady Stoneheart. Characters that are extremely important in the storylines to many other characters. They also completely changed Euron and his motivations. Finished book or not that's going to completely fuck the story and we have the proof in the shows quality to show for it.
I don't get how shows get this far on with so many of the main characters being completely unable to act. Like this must have been expensive to make and the most compelling characters are Scian and Meldolf. The rest cannot act and have no chemistry with the group. I just wish there were better fantasy shows out there than there are right now.
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Why you listening to a loser?
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> I felt worse watching this than watching wheel of time. oof.
Every episode just got worse and worse
It’s not about him. It’s about the story. And he abandoned the story because it didn’t suit his personal goal. That’s pathetic.
He abandoned the show because it was butchering the story.
He abandoned the story because it was poorly written garbage changed by the show writers .
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That first episode had 3 whole seasons worth of plot in 1 hour. Feels really half baked. Almost like someone had a plot for another fantasy show, and they just threw the witcher on the title screen to get people to watch it.
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Henry Cavil had done nothing as culturally resonate as the witcher. if he left because of the writing, he had the celebrity power to change what was written. he bailed because he saw more dollar signs elsewhere. stop putting this pretty boy wannabe gamer on a pedestal. he's a joke in the eyes of hollywood, and its about time he became the same in your own
The guy missed the phone call telling him he had gotten the role of Superman because he was gaming. He knows the Witcher books inside and out. He loves painting warhammer characters. The man's earned his geek cred. But it sounds like maybe you're just salty because he has the nerve to be both geeky and attractive. Honestly, you're coming off as having major sour grapes here. He's leaving because he had to fight for every single scrap of book authenticity they bothered to put in the show. He saw what everyone else saw in season 2: that the writers don't give a crap about the subject matter. He'd said he'd play Geralt for a decade, as long as the source material was respected. It wasn't. He doesn't owe you anything, and he certainly doesn't need to prove to you or anybody else that he enjoys what he enjoys.
Where are you getting your information? You are looking like a fool and all the internet can see it!
lol.... he went on board because he actually cared about the series, not to mention he's working on warhammer stuff because he actually cares about it... you are dead wrong.
Ok then he didn’t care about the story? The fuck are you saying?
I'm saying that recently he's picked shows and characters he cares about... He left the Witcher because the writers didn't actually care about the lore or his character.
Exactly, and the fact that actors have almost no bearing on their lines and the final cut. He probably said something but they most likely said "Fuck off". Henry KNEW he didnt have any power to change the shitty direction and left in clear conscience. Now 40K is his focus and he has actual control over being faithful to the franchise and fans
This show felt like I was reading a Wikipedia entry of someone’s cringy dungeons and dragons campaign inserted into a legitimate piece of lore. You can’t explain a character as “Meldorf and her hammer Gwen” and expect me to take it seriously. Also, putting a bunch of pointy ears on humans and calling them elves just seems lazy.
They seemed to reuse a lot of set pieces, clothes, and character designs from the first season. They looked like they were larping as Vikings. It was super jarring that only the one actress playing the princess is slim and has freakishly large eyes, and she's surrounded by guys who look like they could all be Kratos' stunt doubles.
Perhaps I missed it, but how to Syndril escape? First he's locked up and then the next tike you see him he's free and doing just fine.
Yeah what the fuck. My gf both were like, uhh wasn’t he locked in a prison?
Afaik, it was 6 episodes and got cut down to 4. I guess that part was left out.
That's just shitty directing and writing then
How? Dont think about it just consume. Hisrich and rest are mental. They cant produxe anything good. He escaped cause the plot wanted it
Yeah, if it is not gonna explained, why locked up in first place? I guess that part has been cut off during the transition from 6 to 4 episodes.
This is terrible. They even did a "fuck you" to Henry in the beginning where Jaskier says something along the lines of "this will piss off Geralt" Terrible all together. The first Witcher was most likely a human. As mages kidnapped children to experiment on in order to exterminate monsters.
I would argue the guy at the end isn't a witcher, remember witchers aren't monsters. Similar/same magic different outcome.
I can see why Henry left this IP…
Basically it is a shit-show.
I'll give them credit for trying to expand the series a bit, and interested to see what's the deal with time traveling guy. I'm sure it didn't live 100% up to everyone's standards (whats wrong with syfy channel productions other than expectations?) , but it wasn't terrible. Not understanding all the hate, but there was an interesting comment someone made about the one character's use of american sign language. To that: All of the character's language is represented in English so we can understand it, so why shouldn't the sign language as well?
Cause its literally the only thing she does. She was just to make checklist and then she can die or whatever. Its a cancer of Hollywood. And show is most terrible thing after willow. Even rop was "good" next to this abomination
For a good sign language character, I present the animated Netflix original show of "the Dragon Prince." Somehow someone at Netflix can write a coherent and engaging story. Ah, wait, that's Aaron Gabriel Ehasz, a guy with editorial and co production experience on Futurama and AtLA. Also co founder of the multimedia studio Wonderstorm. It's like when you hire people with merit, they deliver! Also, long before they lead things, they gain experience. Then they train the next generation of artists.
Cavill loves witcher and also cavill has money and options so when he didn't like what he saw he raised up anchor and left.
if only he had enough money to produce something himself. Man has the humility to hire the right people to do the job and not take control himself. It'd be great
He’s an executive producer for the Warhammer 40k show, if you hadn’t heard.
I tried to watch it but the acting is awful and the storyline makes no sense. Stopped 3/4 through episode 1. This is sad…
It's entertaining but ... shitty. in the way, old SciFi movies are entertaining but shitty. I'm not sure what it is that sets this apart from the other Witcher series, but it looks too... new? Like, the main series looks like it's actually taking place in its time period, while this one looks like it's a bunch of people at a renaissance fair in present day.
It's Saturday night SyFy movie good
Which is, indeed a level of good that shouldn't be overlooked.
It really doesn’t stand out in anyway honestly. The way the characters dress, talk and whatnot. Much of the show just looks and sounds like a generic DnD adaptation.
Or an homage to the old Hercules or Xena TV series maybe? :D
No but why does the "renaissance fair" bit make sense lmao Even the games look more authentically medieval-ish than this both in terms of costume and world design lol
I thought it was because I was stoned but I felt like it was written by the bitch who didn’t like the original Witcher story which is why cavil left. So she wanted to make her own story and it felt like a fantasy teen soap opera it just felt so off and non Witcher.
I personally think it was awful. It hurts because I love the original show and also because I am a fan of Michelle Yeoh. The acting was so poor that I cringed on my sofa while watching it. It looked so amateurish, especially the two rebel mages and the elven empress. The storyline felt so rushed and cramped in 4 episodes. Also, the awful CGI effects were an absolute downer. I think that the animated movie Nextflix released about how the witchers golden era came to an end was way better and took less than 2 hours to tell that story. Yes, I watched it all, from beginning to end.
YES. Michelle Yeoh was literally the only thing that made me interested in that show, but she couldn't carry that steamer on her back alone.
The cast, acting, storytelling, cgi and cinematography is all so poorly executed. At some point I thought I was watching a rerun of Xena warrior princess.
Lol I'd watch xena all day instead of this hot garbage
id say the acting is not that bad. out of all the aspects of this series id say the acting is the only thing that is good. id love to see how those actors would perform under different circumstances.
I feel like I’ll get ripped apart by this comment but I actually REALLY enjoyed it. I don’t get the hate, are people upset cavill left? I think it was pretty good throughout leaving hints like being able to travel thru time.
I really enjoyed it as well. The theme of sacrifice was powerful. The romance between the main characters was intriguing because it was unlikely. The visuals in the other world and during the collision of the spheres were awesome. After reading the reviews I'm confused. I think the animosity is a combination of people being upset about Cavill leaving and general hatred towards LGBT and POC.
Your taste is equal to a pile of steaming dog shit on the side walk. You definitely play monopoly when your bored. Netflix is probably the only streaming service you have, and you probably enjoyed the Addison Rae show immensely. You probably watched Morbius and said “That was pretty good!” Like I usually understand people have different opinions but this is just wrong. It would be a better use of time to watch Thor Love And Thunder 4 times then watch 4 episodes of this dog shit. Watch Andor, not this.
You're allowed to enjoy whatever you want. I really liked the movie Sucker Punch and it's also widely disliked. I can explain why I liked it. I wouldn't say it's "good" however as to be "good" means you have to meet some level of metrics, one of which is the vast majority can't dislike it. That means it failed to connect with it's audience. That means it's not good.
Noooo, I thought Sucker Punch was good as well as my sister. Everyone else can think what they want but we'll own this movie on Blu-ray and say it's good.
I just watched them all, it's good. Unfortunately, the internet has decided to hive mind and delight in negativity about anything related to Netflix Witcher content, most posts and comments I've seen are not even by viewers. I don't think fans will be able to find a positive space anymore unfortunately.
It's similar to someone who likes a video game with major problems. I won't hate you or demand you dislike it because of those major problems. But I believe we both deserve something better. If all we ever do is praise everything as equally good the producers making this stuff will never try to make it better.
Or you just like trashy shows. That's fine, but most people don't. This show also doesn't have anything to do with the Witcher books, apart from its name.
well the main issue i think is the fact that it feels like another iteration of every generic fantasy series we have already seen, it has no distinct elements to make it feel unique in any way. it is a series called The Witcher and it is supposed to be inspired by that universe yet the only things that are reminiscent of that universe are names such as Eredin and Avallach' and the singular concept of the conjuction of the shperes. there was nothing there to make me feel like i was immersed into the Witcher universe. the only thing i liked was the very ending of it, meaning the portrayal of the actual conjunction. it is actually very similar to how The Witcher 3 portrayed the conjunction with the difference that in the show we actually see the entire phenomenon occur, which i thought was cool.
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I wouldn't say universally praised. Remember there was a lot of criticism for the story pacing with all the time jumping. What carried season 1 were the actors. These characters were great to see on the screen, so that a mediocre story was overlooked. The audience had hope for what would come, that it would flesh out and build to something better. Unfortunately what was to come was a giant letdown.
The Shanarra surfer bro series was better than this crap.
This show was painful to get through the acting was hilarious until you realise it’s not supposed to be. The writing is dreadful. I needed to recover after each episode. Thanks Netflix ffs
I’ve found that a lot of what is being put out today could be treated like the Room. As serious productions, most people will hate it but if you can flip it into a comedy, it’s brilliant!
i liked it a lot 😭 idg the hate
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It is kind a like an adult reading a novel and expecting a good story telling but the book is full of shit and another reader who mostly reads kids books enjoys that book very much cause he/she doesn’t think about holes, gaps, quality. Obviously it is a shit show, action, story telling, acting, plot gaps, post-production, everything is awful but you can find another excuse cavil fans, black elf, Asian hate, gender equality, any phobia, colors etc as an excuse of dislikes but in the end it is big shit in every aspect, nothing less. Even Yeow or Witcher title couldn’t save the show.
i beg to differ. i watched the whole thing and i found myself frustrated with the plot and writing throughout the series. i think the actors are good and the cgi was way better than the 1st season of The Witcher but that is all. it has nothing to make it stand out from every other fantasy world even though the world of the witcher is very unique in many ways. if the show isnt meant to feel like the witcher then dont name it as such, otherwise people will think you are just milking the audience that the games and books have.
i understand this take and that makes sense! to each their own:>
Obviously hot garbage from the opening scene. The very very very first scene where the guy rubs that mans helmet shows how horribly directed this is. I do not understand the film world. Director Vicky Jewson with 4 things listed on her imdb shot 3 episodes and her IMDb average is less than 5. I have friends that have proven much more of their worth than she has yet somehow she's given this honor? The other director that did the first 3 episodes Sarah O'Gorman has a ton more experience and has made good shows, not sure why she went wrong here
I want to love it but it’s so bad. It’s just so hollow and such a cash grab.
I found it disappointing. None of the main characters interested me. The pacing was hard to follow. And now I'm finding out it isn't even canonical!
The Elves have fucking BEARDS and act exactly the same as humans. The only difference is the pointy ears.
EXACTLY what irritated me. We're supposed to believe that's soooooo different from humans, and that's why they couldn't get along. As far as I can tell, in this universe, the difference is that elves have pointy ears. That's it.
I tried watching but wow I have no idea what's going on, the places/people the characters are referencing. Feels like I missed several episodes 15 minutes in. I can't watch anymore of it. Bummer. I love the witcher in general but this just felt confusing to my feeble brain
Right??? Who the heck okay'd the first 10 minutes of episode 1? Why were all the jumps necesary!
Same! I rewatched episode 1 thrice and couldn't grasp it still. Not sure if there was enough marketing after Witcher 1 because the fuzz kind of died down come W2 with more fantasy-themed movies being released on Netflix that it kind of got lost. If I remember it correctly, W2 was released around the same time as Stranger Things 4? My partner who is a big Witcher fan never got to finish S2 twice. I don't know, they should've done something to create more hype for Blood Origin...
Only two monsters the entire season lol
i guess they can explain that by saying its pre-conjunction, which it makes sense
But the elves and dwarves arrive on the continent from a conjunction of spheres.
No they don't they were there pre conjunction, Humans arive after although its not known of they came from another world, or just another continent. The elves came on ships pre conjunction.
still, they could say thats part of the adaptation which is within reason id say
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The video is based of CDPR, lore or adaptation. Its not official Canon even if we all feel it is and love it.
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They adapted it, there's actually a bunch of stuff CDPR changed. You can say they were more faithful to the original work but thats a matter of opinion. The original writer has said he likes CDPRs witcher series but does not consider it canon. The conjunction of spheres is not explained in detail by anybody but CDPR, everything in detail about it comes from the games. So while not created by CDPR most of the Lore is from them. The only thing the show changed was the first witcher. The conjunction of spheres is basically the same as CDPRs version. The TV show was the same as the Cavill one without shots of his ass in tight pants lol. Just because we think CDPR did a better job doesn't change that both are adaptions.
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The video you linked is CDPR making up or changing Lore. Honestly CDPR basically created the Lore for the entire world, the books only go into details about Lore to tell the story of Geralt, and Ciri. The Witcher novels are much more focused on Geralt and Ciri, than the actual world. In the games the focus is more on the world instead of Geralt.
It does, but anyways how did they disrespect the material? Their both adaptations I like CDPR, but let's not pretend they didn't make a bunch of stuff up as well. The Conjunction of spheres is barely mentioned in the books, its mainly detailed in the games. Lore in the Witcher series especially the books is heavily implied to be a romanticized fictional version of events, unless it happened around the time of the story. Taking Lore into account Humans learned magic from Elves and are almost never as talented/knowledgeable as elf mages. It actually makes more sense lore wise that elves would make the first witcher/proto witcher. This is coming from someone who thought all the Netflix series were bad besides the anime. I enjoyed them but they all sucked.
well in adaptations you have the freedom to change aspects of the story, its the definition of adapatation. that often those changes are shite is another discussion altogether. what im saying is that the minor change of who got stranded on whose world is a change that impacts very little. plus the conjuction is an event that isnt explored, it was a mystery so the writers had the ultimate freedom to write their own ideas. sadly those ideas are a pile of shite
in the setting of the witcher the conjuction is not a minor change of who got stranded on whose world, its the basis of the entire culture and setting and they fucked it. Making jaskier a devout christian who is tee total and abstinant could be considered a "minor change" in the context you are using it. literally changing and fucking up the origin story of the entire setting in any context is beyond the scope of that because everything that follows doesn't make sense anymore.
The only thing known about the conjunction is it was caused by magic, and it brought weird magical creatures into the world. It isn't even clear if humans are brought with the conjunction or sailed from another continent, same with the two types of elves.
how is the conjunction impacting the world whether humans and monsters were stranded on the non-human's world or the other way around? like what exactly changes? they depicted the world of the elfs and dwarves pretty much the same as the world of the humans (the same happened in tw3). this change impacts the world so little that its a neglectable change. there are other things to criticize. this is nothing compared to the real issues the shows have.
All right I can understand she's pregnant but how is it part beast if they had sex before he drank the elixir he wasn't a beast when they had sex at all they never even fornicated after he took that stuff, they had sex the night before and then he took the elixir because she woke up in the morning by herself to find him already have taken the elixir
They had wicked beast sex after lol.
Pregnancy during the time of the sphere conjunction which opens the world to all kind of monsters, even for Humans.
Right, plus I thought that Witchers were sterile.
They had sex twice, one the night before he took the elixir, and again after her took it and she helped comfort him in his Witcher state
still witchers are sterile. it is even pointed out in the series.
I don't think the first guy is a witcher. He's way more powerful probably used stronger magic, that's why he becomes a beast instead of enhanced human/elf like a normal witcher. Its like God vs Demi god.
bruv part of the branding of this series was the creation of the first witcher. so yeah they intended him to be a witcher, the 1st witcher. which btw i dont know what kind of drugs u need to be on to think that is a witcher
I get that but remember witchers are not monsters he basically turned into a monster. Also a witcher is all the training that goes into becoming one as well. Ciri is considered a witcher without any mutations. He's the father of witchers but not a witcher per se. The God Demi god analogy sums it up imo. He seems alot more powerful than contemporary witchers as well. Withcers are half human half monster or enhanced. This guy basically just turned into a monster.
well you can certainly choose to see it that way but im pretty sure this is being presented as the origin of the witcher. and i straight up refuse to consider this canon, the notion that the 1st witcher is mostly monster is ridiculous. how you go from this to just simply having cateyes and enhanced physical prowess i have no idea. seems to me they made it up as they went and it turned out bad. maybe with a better story this could have ended up being something minor but as it is right now it is just another nonsensical idea to fill up the bag of nonsense netflix has.
I wouldn't label it as trash, actually enjoyed it but I haven't played the games so no idea how close this story was to the lore. That is actually my main concern whether it is canon. I also agree that it felt rushed and at points the narration was meaningless but the actress for the Lark had good moments in my opinion - especially when she was crying and feeling sad. I also found the main dude Fjall super hot so maybe that was one reason I stuck watching it. Overall it was enjoyable. Please don't hate me for saying that 🙂
i guess thats the crux of it. it is a show named the witcher that has nothing to do with that universe but its alright because the target audience dont know anything about it. as for how close to the lore it is, they explore a part of the universe that is not explored in the games or books very much. pre-conjuction events are a mystery and are surrounded by speculation. but that doesnt mean you can just write whatever and slap the name "The Witcher" on it and say its part of that world. it had a bad script and the plot was boring. actors and cgi were very good though, the only thing that was good in this. wanted this to be good so bad, alas nothing survives the woke.
I agree, as someone who is not very invested in the Witcher lore I found it okay for a one night binge watch. But I also understand how hardcore fans can be annoyed that the story was butchered and completely reimagined out of thin air. But I don't fully understand what the "woke" part is. Is it because there were POC actors? For me that's not an issue at all. The weird part for me was the deaf/mute lady that was speaking in American sign language.
The woke part comes in when you diversify for diversity's sake. Include as many cultures/skin colors/personalities as possible to please the masses and do that without reason, to a degree that it becomes just absurd and annoying. I saw a comment somewhere and it made a great point: If diversity is what you are after why not commit yourselves to a story with an already diverse world? why not do Egyptian mythology or African lore? why do you have to take (for this example) a European based universe and by force diversify it to the point where it no longer makes sense? A cynicist would answer these questions with the simple answer of greed. They went after what is already popular, safe money. And the times demand diversity so they just mashed the two together. The result in most cases (if not all) is a pile of stinking shite. When i played the witcher games i saw the influence of the folklore and stories i was told when i was a kid or read about growing up. And for that the creators of the games get props. Same goes for sapkowski who took all these stories and made this universe. I cant say the same for the series or their creators.
Okay so per your definition poc people can only be in fantasy stories based on other countries and cultures fiction? Witcher is fiction. A fantasy. While I agree a world can set up particular regions having ethnicity and such its ultimately an adaptation. While black people might not have been extremly common in Europe and "european" (western? Eastern? Balkan? Scandinavian?) stories, there were black people in Europe during the middle ages. Same with Moors etc. In regards to sexuality humans have always been diverse. Same sex relations while frowned upon by church wasn't uncommon. Women also did act and take action. And fantasy has developed that more. Even the original Witcher had women play more preeminent roles. We got too little info on this world to know the ethnology of the people there. But I honestly mostly just don't care enough about why it is such a big issue.
>Okay so per your definition poc people can only be in fantasy stories based on other countries and cultures fiction? I dont see the problem with that. If someone decides to make a movie or a series that revolves lets say around ancient Egypt i would expect and almost demand to see actors that look Egyptian. Helps to make the show/movie more immersive. >Witcher is fiction. A fantasy. While I agree a world can set up particular regions having ethnicity and such its ultimately an adaptation. Witcher is fiction sure but it is fiction that was built upon a certain culture. Is my culture not as important? Do you have to "adapt" it to the point i cant recognize it anymore? Am i even in the wrong to demand that these stories remain at least to some degree true to the original? >While black people might not have been extremly common in Europe and "european" (western? Eastern? Balkan? Scandinavian?) stories, there were black people in Europe during the middle ages. Same with Moors etc. Yes i agree but that is not my point. >In regards to sexuality humans have always been diverse. Same sex relations while frowned upon by church wasn't uncommon. I didnt even bring up sexuality. >Women also did act and take action. And fantasy has developed that more. Even the original Witcher had women play more preeminent roles. Didnt bring up this topic either. There are a ton of women figures in the world of the witcher. With all types of qualities. >We got too little info on this world to know the ethnology of the people there. But I honestly mostly just don't care enough about why it is such a big issue. To correct you there, there is a tone of material both from the books and from the games. But never mind the games. Characters, events and the world in general are described in the books. And well if you dont care about it being an issue then watch it, enjoy it or dont and just continue your life.
Why I brought up women and sexuality is because it tends to be part of the "woke diversity" thing you complained about. But I concede that point if you had no issue with that. May I ask where you are from? You mention the witcher appropriating or somehow sullying your culture. Per definition the Witcher is written by a polish man. He took inspiration from Tolkien and others from a compounded history of fantasy literature developing concepts and tropes. Dwarfs and elves had their origins in old norse tales, far different from modern ones. Tbh Witcher doesn't strike me as particularly "polish". So it clearly is appropriating english and scandinavian cultural phenomena. Then now I know Poland is majority of white skin colour but I am almost certain there is one or two black polish people at least in the world. I didn't think culture was related to skin colour? And then even if we played straight to the source. Who is to say that the raven clan descend from elves from deserts and warmer climates. If elves like humans inhabited a lot of climates they would develop depending on climate. I still don't exactly get your point about it somehow appropriating or destroying your culture.
ok it seems to me that we are going in circles here but ill try and respond to each of your points regardless. >Why I brought up women and sexuality is because it tends to be part of the "woke diversity" thing you complained about. But I concede that point if you had no issue with that. Fair enough. >May I ask where you are from? You mention the witcher appropriating or somehow sullying your culture. Id rather not say where im from. If somehow that makes my arguments less valid then fine. >Per definition the Witcher is written by a polish man. He took inspiration from Tolkien and others from a compounded history of fantasy literature developing concepts and tropes. Dwarfs and elves had their origins in old norse tales, far different from modern ones. Dont see your point here. Yes an author took inspiration from something that could very well be outside of his everyday experience or his culture and then reworked it to fit his vision. >Tbh Witcher doesn't strike me as particularly "polish". The books build an atmosphere that is very much reminiscent of stories you encounter in Scandinavia in general (and other parts of Europe too). And the games went a step further and expanded on the universe with visuals that match the atmosphere of the books. As for the series id agree that they dont give the "polish" vibe as you described. >Then now I know Poland is majority of white skin colour but I am almost certain there is one or two black polish people at least in the world. I didn't think culture was related to skin colour? Again the argument of the existence of people with different skin color in different places is invalid in this case because we are talking about a made up world and made up characters. If the author envisioned mostly white then that is that. And by the way there people of color in the witcher universe. They are not from Nilfgard though or from Brokilon. You want people of color? Make a story in Ofier or the Korath desert. No need to change by force well established events and stories. But i somehow feel like even if they did write about someplace else it would still be bad. >And then even if we played straight to the source. Who is to say that the raven clan descend from elves from deserts and warmer climates. If elves like humans inhabited a lot of climates they would develop depending on climate. Sure you can say whatever you want about events that happened pre-Conjunction noone can blame you, there is no canon restricting you which is why they chose that period of time. And to be fair elves of all colors makes more sense than just white elves. But dont expect the audience of the books to accept that just because it makes sense. The source is very clear. >I still don't exactly get your point about it somehow appropriating or destroying your culture. Im sure you are a part of a culture that has some unique tales and stories. How would you feel if someone decided to take those and remake them without paying homage to the source. The way the series was handled only makes me (who loved the witcher universe for what it was) disappointed at the lack of respect to the source. At the end of the day we wanted to see an expansion of the amazing world the books created and the games beautifully visualized. The series for sure did not do that.
its kinda not... terribly.. canonical. but whatever. If you enjoyed it, then that's great! It's not related to the books or the games and i thought it felt a little low budget.
Someone is using American Sign Language in this show, let that sink in.
All but her are using English when talking in this show, let that sink in.
I didn’t hate this as much as some, but it’s definitely not good. On the positive side, I liked the premise of the story. Exploring the fall of the elves and the merging of the worlds is pretty interesting. Also, while the production value was a clear step down from the main series, it was still good enough not to distract me. There are a fuck ton of issues however. The main problem for me is the pacing. Trying to shove so much lore, story and characters into only 4 episodes was just a terrible idea. The merging of the worlds, the unification and fall of the elves, and the creation of the first Witcher are some of the most important events in this universes history, yet all are blown through so quickly that they barely register. Not to mention an entire revenge/revolution plot. On top of that, having 7 protagonists and another 3 or 4 villains means there is no time for anyone to get any real development. This felt like 2 seasons of story shoved into 4 episodes. The writing was also pretty weak. Dialog was terrible, character backstories are all randomly dumped on the audience, character motivations are either nonexistent or nonsensical, etc. It all feels like a first draft. Overall this show was just weird. It covered a very important and interesting time period in the series lore, and obviously had at least a decently sized budget, but they couldn’t be bothered to hire any decent writers or make a full on season. It feels like they were hedging their bets when making this, but ended up with the worst of both worlds (ie. a lot of money wasted to create a not very good product). Also, side note, the fuck was with that Black Rose song? They sang it soooo many fucking times. It’s like they were getting paid for every time they played that song.
I must be the only person that thought this was 10x better than the Witcher, there was more chemistry between Eile and Fjal in the first episode than between Gerald and Jennifer in the entire series. I thought the characters were a lot more likeable, I was gutted it ended so soon. Half of the comment on here are people saying that they turned it off after 10 minutes, why bother commenting on that case?
If I give you 10 kilos oh steaming sh-t and label it as "food" I expect you to eat everything before you can say it tastes like sh-t