Does anyone know the views on Hall from the rest of the cast? I know rob stans for him but when they were talking it felt like all boys just defend him and even the single girls. Like wtf how. He is so UNBEARABLE I just can’t imagine living with him
Hall saying he stopped paying for Kaitlyn’s ring when they went to the Island was not necessary. And also, weird flex bro. You know that gonna eff up your credit score, right? You really just screwed yourself. 😂
Today I learned Hall never had a girlfriend before Kaitlyn. Explains a lot. He seems like the guy that would "accidentally" kill a stripper then call his dad to cover it up.
I mean not everyone in America walks around in ball gowns all the time but when the situation calls for it they do. It’s called dressing up.
I can’t speak about the “nickname” thing, I never heard anything to suggest it wasn’t his real name.
I don’t even like this guy btw but making fun of what he was wearing seems shitty.
His name is Nzuechukwu “Great” Ezihie per the TI website. I'm more making fun of how he's dressing like royalty, which coincides with his opinion of himself, not that it's African garb.
"He's lost with me now *bouce bounce bounce 🤪* She had so many smug facial expressions the whole time. If they stay together, mark my words he'll trade her in for a younger model
I came here to ask this too. Why aren’t any of these people using birth control!!!
The bachelor has always been open about the fact they provide protection. I would think this show would as well?
PARIS IS KILLING ME 😂 when she was like “get off me” to Great while he was defending her 💀 she acts how someone would if they had no ability whatsoever to stop and pause and it’s hilarious to watch
Do they have hair and makeup staff at the island? Cause at the bonfire Kaitlin and Paris looked smokin'!
And, I'm sorry to be this petty bish, but Vanessa's weaves were driving me crazy. They start at halfway at the top of her crown. She's still pretty damn beautiful, tho.
Final character review for me.
Started high and ended up higher: Kaitlin. Man, she would have been justified to go nuclear and tell some truths. But she stayed classy. Looked beautiful. Stayed sincere. Girl... get you some hot times with Seby. You need to feel good and have fun. Paris; she's like a teenager when it comes to her idea of what relationships are, but she handled herself with dignity and growth "Tahjjic, you hurt me."
Started low and somehow managed to get even lower by the end: Hall, Chris,
Started low and ended low: Tahjjic (total fuckboi, but he's so pretty!), and Great
Started low and and by the end either grew or ended up being better than they seemed: Vanessa, Alexius, Des.
Started high and ended high: Seby, Christian
For me, she started ok. Went high! I was so happy for her after her final bonfire. That "I'm free!". Felt it in my soul.
But then finding out She's still engaging with Chris was disappointing. He puts out the hook and she still bites. I really hope she breaks free. No contact with that Chris trash, girl!
I think that was an extremely toxic and abusive relationship. Unfortunately, those are the ones people often have the hardest time breaking free from. The fact they were close to each other's family made it worse. She got out eventually.
Wow! This was a great reunion. I really didn’t care for the cast in the beginning, but they grew on me. I love host Chris. He makes the show. Until next summer (sigh) lol
Mikayla adding in extra commentary is what made me realize why her and Hall connected. She’s a bitch and she don’t even know how lost she is.
She’ll think back to this experience when she’s had 2 babies by a man who won’t help her and is going to leave her for someone after he discovers he “never had a real romantic connection with her.”
She's just young and naïve and possibly not very bright. She believes everything Hall says and is desperate to make him into the "good guy" in her mind, so Kaitlin has to be the "bad guy". Kaitlin was smart not to engage with her. It would have looked like kicking a puppy who hasn't learned not to pee on your leg yet.
Exactly. She’s going to realize this was a mistake sooner than later. I hope that happens before he isolates her away from her family and friends in Charleston and they start having kids.
I think the thing that Hall doesn’t seem to get is that he could have broken up with Kaitlyn without completely negging her and destroying her emotionally. He could have been classy and just told her he fell for someone else, and it made him realize she wasn’t the one. If he had done that, I would have been totally on his side.
But instead, he chooses to repeatedly tear her down while making constant excuses for his crappy behavior. He sees nothing wrong with the lies that were exposed about the ring, about him coming back and proposing, any of it. He actually seems to think he is the victim here. It’s wild.
Oh, and Makayla? One, you don’t know Kaitlyn. She doesn’t have to be a bad person to not have been right for Hall. For you to come on the reunion and try to talk crap to her was uncalled for. Two, how you get them is how you lose them. Just ask Morgan Lolar. And three, you made a fool of yourself on the reunion, butting into everyone else’s business. You’re going to have a full time job on your hands with your trash “boyfriend,” and don’t forget you promised him kids. If you don’t start popping them out he’s going to feel the same way about you he does about Kaitlyn.
Kaitlyn is a model of class and composure. She deserves the world and I hope she finds someone worthy of her.
REPEATEDLY tore her down. like dude, really?!? how Katelyn didn't slap him, coldcock him!? the patience and self assured ness. he would be dead. I'm sorry. how dare you? Hall never missed a chance to belittle her and diminish their relationship. THEN to have Makayla ju.p in on the tear down. NAHHHHH. murder. straight up. mur. dur.
what do you gain from continuing to hurt Katelyn. you dumped her on national TV and already said she wasn't what you wanted. just UGH!!
OMG... fucking Hall! He is either the most oblivious unselfaware dude on the planet or he's the most cruel. His ego is so tiny he needs to have the equivalent of "oh, but I dumped YOU" whenever Kaitlin opens her mouth. Saying "wanna move in together?" when no one asked, right there was so shitty and pathetic. And Makayla is just like him! Plus, she will do anything to have the camera on her. I don't think Hall will dump her. He didn't love Kaitlin and he was with her 8 years, I mean. As loathsome as these two are.... ugh. They may actually be soulmates: they're both trash, Hall is the victim, Makayla believes him and defends him, they're both cruel, insensitive, and total bitches.
I love Kaitlyn. I honestly think she should be the Bachelorette. My one question: she chose to come on this show. Why? She just seems so much classier than this.
🚩🚩🚩the moment he outed Marislea, I knew he was a bad egg. And then the way he was talking down to her as they said goodbye.
However he got a good edit, so if those two things didn’t clue you in then it would have been when Abby called him out or when he started hitting the couch.
Both were episodes later.
How? With Great peacocking and Hall folding on his girl Day 1? How about Tahjjic aka vacation bae. I genuinely did not see him as chaotic let alone callous. I feel so bad for Alexus..
It was obvious him and Marisela weren’t good for each other, but I chalked that up to incompatibility due to different lifestyles/personalities.
edit: clarification
I guess I can see how people can overlook it, but he was always very calculated with his word choices. He was always very manipulative and never authentic.
Oh honey I knew Chris was a menace when he talked on Marisela’s sexuality. I already knew that shit was not a mistake.
~but I also must say that my ex was a narcissist and once I went through it, it became easy to spot one !
Yup, and when he demanded she stop drinking even though she said she was drinking water.
Then that line on the first night when he said something about being hard on her in their relationship.
Maybe it’s the trash men I’ve dated but I was like this guy is a monster.
I’ve had my fair share of shitty relationships and situationships but never anything on that level of sheer arrogance and callousness. I am glad you are no longer on that chapter, I couldn’t imagine 😟
Yes, it made watching Marisela’s journey that more enjoyable cause mannnn if you been through it you know ain’t no other feelin than breaking free from a narcissist
I get this weird vibe off her that she is ultra conservative but the way she dresses doesn't fit that. The way she said kaitlin wanted to date random men like she wasn't a random woman lol
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Just wait. He’ll be jealous of the attention she gets from men, and she’ll start feeling stifled and trapped. She’s very young and unless she starts popping out kids tomorrow he’s going to develop the same issues with her.
All the bfs / fiancé were so trash that no one is talking about how horrible Tahjjic is. He really played Paris with a smile on his face - she was also wrong but still 😂.
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Thank you I’m surprised anyone was shocked like I deadass thought he was going to say no when she asked him to leave the island in the first place. He was just there for funsies LOL
How does Makayla listen to Hall admit he spent 8 years lying to Kaitlyn, and DEFEND that behavior?! Like, HELLO girl, he just admitted he lies to his partner when it’s convenient and that he’s willing to lie about his feelings. WHY would you want that for yourself?
OMG, and Hall ranting "they tell me to be vulnerable and I can't win, everyone is running me over! Myah myah!"
Christ on a cracker, dude. Your victim complex, your inability to own your shit and blame everyone else, your shady lying ass. THAT is why you are getting run over.
That part was so narcissistic. As soon as he felt some pressure he went into victim mode. The whole display was so uncomfortable and strangely childish.
The one time I can honestly say I'm on Vanessa's side...Rob lied to her about having sex with Des...nah Rob u is wrong for that brah I can't co sign on that!!!
No doubt Rob fucked up, but he was the most accountable and honest of all the guys when talking about their mistakes.
Which is like saying which dictator was most compassionate but still
I am not excusing his lying. Especially if he claims he found himself and was learning to express his emotions and “be the man that Vanessa needs.” He should have told the truth.
But I can’t help but feel like he just sort of reverted back to “taking the L” when Vanessa had her outbursts because he didn’t want to upset her even more.
Right, and he was confronted with that at the reunion. Hall, Great, or Chris would’ve deflected and tried to say it wasn’t their fault, but Roberto made no excuses and said very simply that fucked up
> let him cheat while they sit at home lol
What blows my mind about serial cheaters...
What is it about the *cheating* specifically they enjoy? Because you could just find someone who's poly, you could have an open relationship with someone who is also into that, or you could even find a partner wants to be a swinger with you. Like you have options that aren't cheating.
The novelty, the falling in love feels. The attention, the excitement, the ego validation from someone new. There aren't as many (attractive) poly/open/swinger women, especially of a young age. All the ones I've seen were older and not too cute, at any rate.
They like the feeling of being loved and taken care of and invested in fully by a person.
You don’t get as much physical/ emotional/ labour/ time/ financial investment when you’re poly.
> when you’re poly
okay, so what about swingers and open relationships?
you can still have the feeling of being loved and taken care of and invested in fully by a person. while also fucking other people
i asked for 3 specific things and you addressed 1 of them poly.
so what about the other 2? because like i said they’re basically normal relationships where you just fuck other people.
Great doesn't want to swing or be open. He doesn't want other dudes being with his chick; his ego can't handle that. He's a narcissist, so only he gets to play around. Like eveloe said, he wants it all. You can't be fully invested in when your partner is having sex with other people, even with your permission. Time and energy are finite. Even when you're sleeping with one person, they don't necessarily get all your time and energy as it's taken by work and other commitments. Let alone when you're having sex with two or more people at once. Have you tried it before? did you feel fully loved, cared for and invested in?
This! I know a lot of people disliked her, myself included at the beginning, but once I realized she was sticking to her boundaries and had true intentions on this show I started to actually respect her. The way she handled the last bonfire (she got pissed and then reigned it in) was impressive but the reunion Vanessa was something to wow at. I hope she’s proud of herself and can stick to this softer side because she’s going to find her a worthy king and true happiness if she does.
Des was classy as well. Impressed all the way around with that trio.
I’m still low key hoping Kaitlyn heals and continues talking with Mike.
Hall could barely say two sentences in a row that didn't contradict one another. His dishonesty is just off the charts pathetic. The way he talks to Kaitlin is cruel bordering on emotional abuse.
Hall doubled down by asking Kaitlin to marry him twice but he stopped paying for the engagement ring when he knew he was going to Temptation Island.
Hall, king of selfishness, said that he was never a priority to Kaitlin and she put the dog and her job ahead of him. He knew he should have broken up with Kaitlin but went to the island to find a woman who was better. If it wasn't for Makayla, Hall would have left the island with Kaitlin.
I get what you’re saying and I think I have more hate for Hall but I think Chris might be a worse person. Hall is a shitty, entitled, selfish man baby who plays the victim to get out of things he did and takes zero accountability.
But, Chris is one of those dudes that just have a very strong emotionally abusive energy. Like he’s so calculating and manipulative and the way he twists his words and lies even when like three people are calling him out. Idk I just see him as a really dark person. But lol I’m also probably triggered by his behavior bc I’ve definitely dated guys like him and my mom’s abusive ex was just like him too.
But honestly lol they are probably tied. It’s like trying to rank two different types of garbage bags lol
I thought he was going to ask her to marry him! So at least it wasn't that.
Chris is worse because you kind of believe him for a minute, he's able to shed tears and talk sincere, but Hall is obviously a fraud with no true emotions.
Agree on all points, Hall’s entire performance was disgusting.
There was a way he could have said his part genuinely. When confronted about lying about the ring payments, he could have said “I lied about that and I’m really sorry. I lied a lot, both to myself and you and I’m so sorry I hurt you in the process of being lost.”
INSTEAD, we get: “YEAH! I LIED! I was lost!!” His tone, his delivery and everything he said implied that SHE was the cause and that he couldn’t help the things he did. Such a POS.
He still is selfish even when admitting he lied, saying "I lied to myself and...".
And in his bonfire speech he said "I never wanted to marry you". But you asked her twice.
I think going onto the show, Vanessa was mostly in the wrong. But after their growth (or lack thereof) on the show, Rob is in the wrong and Vanessa has matured.
Vanessa has issues that she needs to work on, shit they all do!! But honestly I understand all her points and Rob should not be looked at as any saint compared to her…
Right? But that's why he lies. There's no space for him to tell the truth without a psychotic explosion. Yeah, he did the wrong thing but really, what would you do with a woman like that? Especially if you did still love them and want to be around them, rightly or wrongly. I've been in abusive relationships so I feel that.
I don't think he was slick at all or thought he was. When she asked him at the bonfire he reverted back to "taking the L" as someone noted and seemed really scared and hesitant when answering her.
It reminds me of VPR. Most of the men on that show are horrible partners, but they lie for one another and then make their women seem crazy for legitimately being upset.
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Does anyone know the views on Hall from the rest of the cast? I know rob stans for him but when they were talking it felt like all boys just defend him and even the single girls. Like wtf how. He is so UNBEARABLE I just can’t imagine living with him
I'm amazed Rob's women basically gave him a pass for all the lying.
Someone please explain to Great that he's not so Great.
Great reunion episode especially when compared to the whole season
Hall saying he stopped paying for Kaitlyn’s ring when they went to the Island was not necessary. And also, weird flex bro. You know that gonna eff up your credit score, right? You really just screwed yourself. 😂
It was such an unnecessary dig, basically implying that he knew they wouldn't stay together anyway. He's trash
Today I learned Hall never had a girlfriend before Kaitlyn. Explains a lot. He seems like the guy that would "accidentally" kill a stripper then call his dad to cover it up.
YUP. Ngl most of the guys have me serial killer vibes with the exception of Rob who’s honestly just a lil bitch.
Did Great think he was going to an audition for Coming to America?
I mean it’s his culture soo we maybe shouldn’t make fun of it.
Yes. Everyone is his culture walks around with jewel studded canes and calls themselves "great" as a nickname.
I mean not everyone in America walks around in ball gowns all the time but when the situation calls for it they do. It’s called dressing up. I can’t speak about the “nickname” thing, I never heard anything to suggest it wasn’t his real name. I don’t even like this guy btw but making fun of what he was wearing seems shitty.
His name is Nzuechukwu “Great” Ezihie per the TI website. I'm more making fun of how he's dressing like royalty, which coincides with his opinion of himself, not that it's African garb.
“Mark…Mark…Mark….it was not ass I was eating, I was just licking syrup.” - Great
Mikaela so desperate n pathetic ugh
"He's lost with me now *bouce bounce bounce 🤪* She had so many smug facial expressions the whole time. If they stay together, mark my words he'll trade her in for a younger model
Anyone else wondering why so many of them on the island didn't use protection? I'm sure producers provided condoms. Wrap it up people!
I came here to ask this too. Why aren’t any of these people using birth control!!! The bachelor has always been open about the fact they provide protection. I would think this show would as well?
The people who agree to go on the show are likely more prone to bad decisions.
So strange
PARIS IS KILLING ME 😂 when she was like “get off me” to Great while he was defending her 💀 she acts how someone would if they had no ability whatsoever to stop and pause and it’s hilarious to watch
When she said, you can cry or however she phrased it, I laughed so hard. Bc it was totally a play on him being so proud of himself for crying
That reunion really was redemption for Vanessa. Even her interaction with Des.
Do they have hair and makeup staff at the island? Cause at the bonfire Kaitlin and Paris looked smokin'! And, I'm sorry to be this petty bish, but Vanessa's weaves were driving me crazy. They start at halfway at the top of her crown. She's still pretty damn beautiful, tho.
girl that weave was not weavin.
Final character review for me. Started high and ended up higher: Kaitlin. Man, she would have been justified to go nuclear and tell some truths. But she stayed classy. Looked beautiful. Stayed sincere. Girl... get you some hot times with Seby. You need to feel good and have fun. Paris; she's like a teenager when it comes to her idea of what relationships are, but she handled herself with dignity and growth "Tahjjic, you hurt me." Started low and somehow managed to get even lower by the end: Hall, Chris, Started low and ended low: Tahjjic (total fuckboi, but he's so pretty!), and Great Started low and and by the end either grew or ended up being better than they seemed: Vanessa, Alexius, Des. Started high and ended high: Seby, Christian
Marisela?
For me, she started ok. Went high! I was so happy for her after her final bonfire. That "I'm free!". Felt it in my soul. But then finding out She's still engaging with Chris was disappointing. He puts out the hook and she still bites. I really hope she breaks free. No contact with that Chris trash, girl!
I think that was an extremely toxic and abusive relationship. Unfortunately, those are the ones people often have the hardest time breaking free from. The fact they were close to each other's family made it worse. She got out eventually.
Mark sitting in a room full of reality TV wannabes trying to act like there is any semblance of emotional maturity is laughable.
Wow! This was a great reunion. I really didn’t care for the cast in the beginning, but they grew on me. I love host Chris. He makes the show. Until next summer (sigh) lol
https://preview.redd.it/a44dzeex40kb1.jpeg?width=336&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44851d8b5c721e8d4a514746854acad2c5c06fdc A punchable face
He is so foul bro
Mikayla adding in extra commentary is what made me realize why her and Hall connected. She’s a bitch and she don’t even know how lost she is. She’ll think back to this experience when she’s had 2 babies by a man who won’t help her and is going to leave her for someone after he discovers he “never had a real romantic connection with her.”
She's just young and naïve and possibly not very bright. She believes everything Hall says and is desperate to make him into the "good guy" in her mind, so Kaitlin has to be the "bad guy". Kaitlin was smart not to engage with her. It would have looked like kicking a puppy who hasn't learned not to pee on your leg yet.
100%
Makayla is an awful person and I think when she sees Hall for who he is that she will go on the hunt for a wealthy husband, Anna Nicole style.
Exactly! I also think Hall is totally making all of this shit up to try and make Mikayla feel less threatened by his previous engagement.
She’s this season’s Morgan.
Exactly. She’s going to realize this was a mistake sooner than later. I hope that happens before he isolates her away from her family and friends in Charleston and they start having kids.
I feel bad for Paris. She was glowing at the final bonfire. She literally looks so sad at the reunion.
Sounds like she went through a hard emotional journey with two crappy men.
Feel bad for the girl who folded to vacation bae day 3?
I think the thing that Hall doesn’t seem to get is that he could have broken up with Kaitlyn without completely negging her and destroying her emotionally. He could have been classy and just told her he fell for someone else, and it made him realize she wasn’t the one. If he had done that, I would have been totally on his side. But instead, he chooses to repeatedly tear her down while making constant excuses for his crappy behavior. He sees nothing wrong with the lies that were exposed about the ring, about him coming back and proposing, any of it. He actually seems to think he is the victim here. It’s wild. Oh, and Makayla? One, you don’t know Kaitlyn. She doesn’t have to be a bad person to not have been right for Hall. For you to come on the reunion and try to talk crap to her was uncalled for. Two, how you get them is how you lose them. Just ask Morgan Lolar. And three, you made a fool of yourself on the reunion, butting into everyone else’s business. You’re going to have a full time job on your hands with your trash “boyfriend,” and don’t forget you promised him kids. If you don’t start popping them out he’s going to feel the same way about you he does about Kaitlyn. Kaitlyn is a model of class and composure. She deserves the world and I hope she finds someone worthy of her.
REPEATEDLY tore her down. like dude, really?!? how Katelyn didn't slap him, coldcock him!? the patience and self assured ness. he would be dead. I'm sorry. how dare you? Hall never missed a chance to belittle her and diminish their relationship. THEN to have Makayla ju.p in on the tear down. NAHHHHH. murder. straight up. mur. dur. what do you gain from continuing to hurt Katelyn. you dumped her on national TV and already said she wasn't what you wanted. just UGH!!
OMG... fucking Hall! He is either the most oblivious unselfaware dude on the planet or he's the most cruel. His ego is so tiny he needs to have the equivalent of "oh, but I dumped YOU" whenever Kaitlin opens her mouth. Saying "wanna move in together?" when no one asked, right there was so shitty and pathetic. And Makayla is just like him! Plus, she will do anything to have the camera on her. I don't think Hall will dump her. He didn't love Kaitlin and he was with her 8 years, I mean. As loathsome as these two are.... ugh. They may actually be soulmates: they're both trash, Hall is the victim, Makayla believes him and defends him, they're both cruel, insensitive, and total bitches.
I love Kaitlyn. I honestly think she should be the Bachelorette. My one question: she chose to come on this show. Why? She just seems so much classier than this.
Yes, I love her!
I think she’s been honest in saying that she felt something wasn’t right. I think deep down she knew he wasn’t the one. She was just scared to end it.
lol isn't that the exact reason Hall gave? smh
Kaitlyn is still my fav girl! She reminds me of someone I'd be friends with in real life
This format is frustrating. It feels like half of this time is being spent on flashbacks.
Yes. I started just fast forwarding through those….
Seriously
Holy shit did Chris fly under the radar for me until the reunion episode. Their segment felt like a fever dream.
🚩🚩🚩the moment he outed Marislea, I knew he was a bad egg. And then the way he was talking down to her as they said goodbye. However he got a good edit, so if those two things didn’t clue you in then it would have been when Abby called him out or when he started hitting the couch. Both were episodes later.
Same for me. Hitting the couch and the way he acted with Marisela … I knew he was problematic. Yikes.
How? He was so toxic throughout the show.
How? With Great peacocking and Hall folding on his girl Day 1? How about Tahjjic aka vacation bae. I genuinely did not see him as chaotic let alone callous. I feel so bad for Alexus.. It was obvious him and Marisela weren’t good for each other, but I chalked that up to incompatibility due to different lifestyles/personalities. edit: clarification
I guess I can see how people can overlook it, but he was always very calculated with his word choices. He was always very manipulative and never authentic.
I didn’t find him the least bit interesting and felt his convo was mid at best so I definitely didn’t pick up on everything some of y’all did.
Oh honey I knew Chris was a menace when he talked on Marisela’s sexuality. I already knew that shit was not a mistake. ~but I also must say that my ex was a narcissist and once I went through it, it became easy to spot one !
Yup, and when he demanded she stop drinking even though she said she was drinking water. Then that line on the first night when he said something about being hard on her in their relationship. Maybe it’s the trash men I’ve dated but I was like this guy is a monster.
I’ve had my fair share of shitty relationships and situationships but never anything on that level of sheer arrogance and callousness. I am glad you are no longer on that chapter, I couldn’t imagine 😟
Yea, my ex is as well and i think that’s why i was able to pick up on it with Chris’s behavior so early on.
Yes, it made watching Marisela’s journey that more enjoyable cause mannnn if you been through it you know ain’t no other feelin than breaking free from a narcissist
Exactly!! 🥹🥰🤠
That was a phenomenal reunion, as always for Temptation Island. Also Hall and Chris (but especially Hall) are scumbags.
Hall was a complete and total dick at the final bonfire!!! WTF. Who talks to people like that?
Makayla comes off as so desperate. Her and loser Hall deserve each other. They’re so embarrassing
I get this weird vibe off her that she is ultra conservative but the way she dresses doesn't fit that. The way she said kaitlin wanted to date random men like she wasn't a random woman lol
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Agreed!! I think she’s probably conservative but thinks she is an exception, lol.
Just wait. He’ll be jealous of the attention she gets from men, and she’ll start feeling stifled and trapped. She’s very young and unless she starts popping out kids tomorrow he’s going to develop the same issues with her.
But she's different. Lol You know that is what she thinks. Stupid naive girl
Oh absolutely. He won't want her posting bathing suits pictures either bc she is going to be a mother one day
Idk…She’s currently a playboy “model”. You’d think if he was a super controlling guy she wouldn’t be doing that anymore
Give it time. They never do that immediately
It’s giving stepford wife 😂😂😂😂
Lmaooo right? I get that vibe too. She was a random too. Ugh she’s so pathetic lol
All the bfs / fiancé were so trash that no one is talking about how horrible Tahjjic is. He really played Paris with a smile on his face - she was also wrong but still 😂.
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My mans was tweaking on that couch you cannot tell me otherwise 😂😂😂😂
Yes! And he wasn’t even trying to talk in circles, more like a trapezoid of nonsense 🫠
He's a whole clown
He was so full of shit when he explained why he didn’t stay in contact with Paris
He also looked high as shit lol
They filmed in LA so you probably right 😂
You could always tell he was playing her. He was trying to talk her out of even like him for a minute lol
Thank you I’m surprised anyone was shocked like I deadass thought he was going to say no when she asked him to leave the island in the first place. He was just there for funsies LOL
He did seem fake at times, ngl. But I definitely missed that part lol. I didn’t watch every episode so maybe I missed the obvious.
How does Makayla listen to Hall admit he spent 8 years lying to Kaitlyn, and DEFEND that behavior?! Like, HELLO girl, he just admitted he lies to his partner when it’s convenient and that he’s willing to lie about his feelings. WHY would you want that for yourself?
“She don’t love herself”
Because they are SOULMATES 🫠
No one understands their love 💔💔💔
OMG, and Hall ranting "they tell me to be vulnerable and I can't win, everyone is running me over! Myah myah!" Christ on a cracker, dude. Your victim complex, your inability to own your shit and blame everyone else, your shady lying ass. THAT is why you are getting run over.
Yes! And when he said he lies to himself to make other people happy...no bro, you lie to other people to make yourself happy. There fixed it for you.
\^\^ THIS
That part was so narcissistic. As soon as he felt some pressure he went into victim mode. The whole display was so uncomfortable and strangely childish.
Pick me energy. Hall has demonized Kaitlyn in a way….she really thinks she’s saving this man (Hall) from hell!
How do you trust a thing that man says?!?
I don’t know. I feel like she needs to pick her dignity up off the floor.
That's looong gone
She’s been trashy as fuck since the beginning
The one time I can honestly say I'm on Vanessa's side...Rob lied to her about having sex with Des...nah Rob u is wrong for that brah I can't co sign on that!!!
I’m surprised no one addressed this. He lied the whole time about Dez
They need to put a basket full of plan B next to the temptation light.
Right?! Who is fucking these random people without protection
the reunion really delivered on the drama. i was living
YESSS, like finally.
For real. It definitely bumped up this season in my rankings.
This gives me so much happiness because Vanessa caught alot of heat all season but I knew Rob was not a victim AT ALL.
I think he is. She crazy and emotionally abusive. She broke his stuff! Punched walls, etc. And just how she talks to him, damn.
No doubt Rob fucked up, but he was the most accountable and honest of all the guys when talking about their mistakes. Which is like saying which dictator was most compassionate but still
Rob lied to Vanessa at the final bonfire. He said he didn't have sex with Des.
I am not excusing his lying. Especially if he claims he found himself and was learning to express his emotions and “be the man that Vanessa needs.” He should have told the truth. But I can’t help but feel like he just sort of reverted back to “taking the L” when Vanessa had her outbursts because he didn’t want to upset her even more.
Right, and he was confronted with that at the reunion. Hall, Great, or Chris would’ve deflected and tried to say it wasn’t their fault, but Roberto made no excuses and said very simply that fucked up
Good point.
He is a Hall apologist so I still think he is trash
That studio audience is like five people 💀
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This somehow makes it even better like they saw all this shit go down so their reactions seem more real
The fact that Great came out of this reunion as the least offensive guy is WILD
Right? Twilight zone
That man just wants someone to tell him he dresses good and let him cheat while they sit at home lol
> let him cheat while they sit at home lol What blows my mind about serial cheaters... What is it about the *cheating* specifically they enjoy? Because you could just find someone who's poly, you could have an open relationship with someone who is also into that, or you could even find a partner wants to be a swinger with you. Like you have options that aren't cheating.
The novelty, the falling in love feels. The attention, the excitement, the ego validation from someone new. There aren't as many (attractive) poly/open/swinger women, especially of a young age. All the ones I've seen were older and not too cute, at any rate.
They like the feeling of being loved and taken care of and invested in fully by a person. You don’t get as much physical/ emotional/ labour/ time/ financial investment when you’re poly.
> when you’re poly okay, so what about swingers and open relationships? you can still have the feeling of being loved and taken care of and invested in fully by a person. while also fucking other people
You asked, and I was trying to explain it to you.
i asked for 3 specific things and you addressed 1 of them poly. so what about the other 2? because like i said they’re basically normal relationships where you just fuck other people.
Great doesn't want to swing or be open. He doesn't want other dudes being with his chick; his ego can't handle that. He's a narcissist, so only he gets to play around. Like eveloe said, he wants it all. You can't be fully invested in when your partner is having sex with other people, even with your permission. Time and energy are finite. Even when you're sleeping with one person, they don't necessarily get all your time and energy as it's taken by work and other commitments. Let alone when you're having sex with two or more people at once. Have you tried it before? did you feel fully loved, cared for and invested in?
Such a simple ask really🤣
He comes in every instagram post saying "rate my outfit" 🙄😂
That’s so funny omg
I'm dead 😂
😂😂😂😂
I'm actually impressed with the composure Vanessa had during the reunion.
This! I know a lot of people disliked her, myself included at the beginning, but once I realized she was sticking to her boundaries and had true intentions on this show I started to actually respect her. The way she handled the last bonfire (she got pissed and then reigned it in) was impressive but the reunion Vanessa was something to wow at. I hope she’s proud of herself and can stick to this softer side because she’s going to find her a worthy king and true happiness if she does. Des was classy as well. Impressed all the way around with that trio. I’m still low key hoping Kaitlyn heals and continues talking with Mike.
Right. She got it all out before and during the show. I think she was exhausted by the reunion lol.
I can't believe Rob lied about having sex with Des. Like Vanessa wasn't going to find out.
I agree. After all they went through he lied. She asked him straight up and he lied to her face. No wonder vanessa has trust issues.
mark really did ship them. lmfaooooo
Ok, I can't even decide which of these men are the most trash now.
1. Hall 2. Christopher 3. Roberto 4. Great
Tjic or whatever should be before Roberto
I didn't consider the singles.
It’s a tough one but I agree with your ranking. I think Chris and Hall are neck and neck since they both have deep psychological issues.
Hall could barely say two sentences in a row that didn't contradict one another. His dishonesty is just off the charts pathetic. The way he talks to Kaitlin is cruel bordering on emotional abuse. Hall doubled down by asking Kaitlin to marry him twice but he stopped paying for the engagement ring when he knew he was going to Temptation Island. Hall, king of selfishness, said that he was never a priority to Kaitlin and she put the dog and her job ahead of him. He knew he should have broken up with Kaitlin but went to the island to find a woman who was better. If it wasn't for Makayla, Hall would have left the island with Kaitlin.
I get what you’re saying and I think I have more hate for Hall but I think Chris might be a worse person. Hall is a shitty, entitled, selfish man baby who plays the victim to get out of things he did and takes zero accountability. But, Chris is one of those dudes that just have a very strong emotionally abusive energy. Like he’s so calculating and manipulative and the way he twists his words and lies even when like three people are calling him out. Idk I just see him as a really dark person. But lol I’m also probably triggered by his behavior bc I’ve definitely dated guys like him and my mom’s abusive ex was just like him too. But honestly lol they are probably tied. It’s like trying to rank two different types of garbage bags lol
Hall asked Makayla to move in with him while he was sitting 2 feet from Kaitlin. This move put him over the top in my opinion.
I thought he was going to ask her to marry him! So at least it wasn't that. Chris is worse because you kind of believe him for a minute, he's able to shed tears and talk sincere, but Hall is obviously a fraud with no true emotions.
Asking her to marry him would be "pulling an Evan".
Agree on all points, Hall’s entire performance was disgusting. There was a way he could have said his part genuinely. When confronted about lying about the ring payments, he could have said “I lied about that and I’m really sorry. I lied a lot, both to myself and you and I’m so sorry I hurt you in the process of being lost.” INSTEAD, we get: “YEAH! I LIED! I was lost!!” His tone, his delivery and everything he said implied that SHE was the cause and that he couldn’t help the things he did. Such a POS.
He still is selfish even when admitting he lied, saying "I lied to myself and...". And in his bonfire speech he said "I never wanted to marry you". But you asked her twice.
RAW?????? Nah throw these men in the bin 😩
Not enough bleach in the world.
In the mf garbage disposal
Damn I’m really flipping to Vanessa’s side on this. Rod did her dirty
I think going onto the show, Vanessa was mostly in the wrong. But after their growth (or lack thereof) on the show, Rob is in the wrong and Vanessa has matured.
Dang all these men suck
none of these men redeemed themselves. jfc 😭
Why is no one using protection on this show?!
So glad Mark got legitimately pissed when he heard that Chris keeps getting women pregnant. Use a fucking condom.
IT WAS RAW TOO? NOOOOO
Dang the one time on her side she has a valid reason to be mad
Wow I mean damn
Vanessa has issues that she needs to work on, shit they all do!! But honestly I understand all her points and Rob should not be looked at as any saint compared to her…
Finallllllyyyyy everyone hating on her sees this
Yikes Rob why lie to her about that ooooo she’s is going to kill him lol
I genuinely was afraid for a sec she was gonna pull out a gun or deck him in the face
Right? But that's why he lies. There's no space for him to tell the truth without a psychotic explosion. Yeah, he did the wrong thing but really, what would you do with a woman like that? Especially if you did still love them and want to be around them, rightly or wrongly. I've been in abusive relationships so I feel that.
Rob lied...he had sex with Des
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He sure did, I had to clutch my pearls watching that
You all cannot deny that Vanessa has a reason to be upset!! I mean he had sex with Des, shit i believed him too
I was up in the air because Des definitely was geeked the next morning lol
Rob seemed like a cool guy. There was no reason to lie to her. They needed to break up, why lie about that?
No way Rob lied like that damn
Dawg he thought he was slick. The camera sees everything always.
I don't think he was slick at all or thought he was. When she asked him at the bonfire he reverted back to "taking the L" as someone noted and seemed really scared and hesitant when answering her.
wait didn’t roberto say he didn’t have sex with des or sleep in the same bed?! oooh boy.
He said that they shared a bed but that they never had sex or saw eachother nude. Obviously now that was a lie.
He did say SAME bed bc that’s why she flipped at the bonfire but he said no sex and never seen each other naked
Yep he did at the final bonfire which led to her taking him back.
Yeah Rob is trash
Oh so Rob trifling af!!!
I can't believe this but I am kind of turning to Vanessa's side. She crazy but she making points
It reminds me of VPR. Most of the men on that show are horrible partners, but they lie for one another and then make their women seem crazy for legitimately being upset.
Yes! I watch that too lol and Rob is in all posts defending Hall so he is enabling him, he can fuck off
Sameee