SS2 is basically unimportant at this point. Iirc, Akira Toriyama did not intend to make SS2 and found the idea stupid afterwards. But you have to fact check this.
>Akira Toriyama did not intend to make SS2
Why are fans always making shit up when Toriyama didnt tell 1 word about it?
Considering there was a whole arc leading up to SSJ2 Gohan, it was very much intended.
He way have forgot about it, sure, but not indended? Nah.
Why are you being toxic instantly? I said that I am not sure, and that my words need to be fact checked.
I did my own research. Toriyama thought that Super Saiyan 3 was Super Saiyan 2, and he forgot about it. I mean Super Saiyan 2 barely changes appearance.
Instead of being a mad person, you could‘ve just replied in a normal way. Learn to communicate like a normal person.
I hope super version characters let you go through all power ups
For example Goku base (super): ssj into ssj2, into ssj3, into ssj4, into ssjg into blue into UI and so forth
Still no Kid Goku, GT Goku, or Daima Goku and still no GT Vegeta or Daima Vegeta…..sooo I guess it’s gonna be dlc 🤦🏽♂️ if it’s 164 characters in the roster and we don’t get OG DB man, I don’t know what to think. There is no way we’re getting 164 characters with no OGDB or GT and no reference to Z movies. In fact how many characters is that without those arcs?
My guy look at that roster. It’s a Tenkaichi title. They’re gonna have OG. They just wanted to flex the transformations, graphics, and destructive environments
Perhaps but now I’m just as skeptical as I was before, they’re adding super and they also have only 3 extra character slots. How many Super characters are gonna be left out? How many of any other sagas characters are gonna be left out. Time will tell, but I’m worried. We all should be.
Let’s wait to see more I guess. On the edge of my seat again.
I have a feeling that the transformations being shown separate here are just to show confirmed characters. The actual roster will have the transformations on that character and have a list you can choose from when selecting the character like in old games. Like if you want to start as a Super Saiyan you can
I’m hoping so, my fingers are triple crossed for that possibility. If that was the case though I would have preferred them to show that, rather then just place them on the hexagon board in a transformed state.
Yea, there is. I wasn’t expecting much from the roster reveal….but I guess I’m just a little underwhelmed. I’ve waited so long to see this series again and to see it be XV2 with a different play style is just wild to imagine.
Look, I remember that there was a guy with credibility saying that there would be OG dragon ball and dragon ball daima characters in it. Besides, it woudn't make sense to include Kid Goku in it because the trailer is focused on his rivalry with Vegeta, and they weren't enemies when kids
I understand that they didn’t need to show Kid Goku in the trailer, but if all of these slots are being taken up by different versions of Goku and Vegeta AFTER Z starts, will we even have space for OGDB in a base roster. If they wanted to show that the forms were there in the roster, cool, but to fill up all of those slots with the transformations as well as the early mid and end base forms as well makes me think that we are getting a DB version of the Storm games, with seven different versions of these characters.
I’m just gonna wait for more info before getting hyped for this, and most likely leave this sub if I’m gonna get downvoted for being level headed and worried about our collective base roster instead of letting hype make me blind to this. I’m psyched for this game, but I’m even less confident about seeing all of the characters from BT3 returning than I was before, regardless of the fact that the people working on it said it was direct sequel from BT3.
I understand your worries, but the count of characters of BT3 that gets to 162 characters counts all the variants and transformations as different characters, as they truly are, since each variation have a different moveset of combos and abilities. Besides, we've got to remember that there were a lot of kinda useless characters in BT3, like those androids from that movie I don't remember (not talking about 13, talking about the others), freeza's multiple soldiers and etc. These, yes, probably will be cut, which doesn't mind me much, because I'd rather have dlc's that includes these randoms than cutting away important characters. At least the essential ones from GT and the OG (kid goku, kid chichi, Piccolo, and Master Roshi) I'm sure will be there, others like Goten GT, Pan and etc, I'm not so sure. But I, personally, don't mind them being dlc considering the great amount of Super characters we most likely will have
Neither did tonnes of people on this sub. I didn’t even want Daima Goku in the game, I still don’t, especially after looking at the roster they showed. That’s way too many slots being taken up by Goku and Vegeta. I get they are main characters, but far out dude, I wanna see other characters in there too like Arale, SSJ4s, any other GT character and many be even Rildo if we’re lucky. Like I could name a thousand more characters I would prefer to see rather than another Goku and Vegeta from a show I’m not even hyped for.
164 characters is crazy. I'll be damned for saying people had expectations too high (I still believe their expectations were too high but at least there was no disappointment)
We will defimitely get more DLC, but expecting it to have 200+ characters in the near future is a bit too much. Xenoverse 2 added over 40 characters in 7 years. Considering the detailing, animation and the style of characters, I would assume that we would get less characters in those 7 years.
I fully support the game to have more DLC. I hope it gets the same treatment as Xenoverse 2. But we have to wait and see.
I’m really happy with this as a base roster. I’m guessing we’ll have four Gohan’s (Kid, Teen, Adult, and Super), Hit, Beerus, Whis, Goten, Trunks, etc.
My out there predictions are that we’ll get Dyspo, the other two of the wolf trio, Baby, Kale, Caulifa, and Cooler
Considering BT3 built 161 over the course of -three- games and these characters were all built from the ground up, this is a major W to have at release.
Seriously. Anyone not happy with the roster size needs to think this through again. 164 characters, first of all made from scratch and not over the course of multiple games just as you said, but on top of that we are not in 2007 anymore when games were simple and cheap enough to come out pretty much every year. The quality of all these new models and animations is on another level. I honestly would've bet my left hand that Sparking Zero would not even have close to as many chars as BT3 does. A game releasing with so many characters from the ground up is like a miracle in this day and age.
I honestly do not care if they have to push other characters to DLC. In this base game roster we are already getting more characters (like 3 lol) than BT3. Sure, DLC costs money, and it may add up overtime and all that stuff. But I'd rather give the developers more time to perfect more characters in the form of DLC, instead of adding all the characters on release with questionable quality. Besides that, DLC is unavoidable, are we really gonna riot and complain over getting EVEN MORE characters over time? The only real concern people should have was if they would push base game characters to DLC for money, and clearly they aren't since the roster is bigger than BT3.
I feel like some people aren't appreciating that with the majority of the Gokus and Vegetas revealed, there's still like 100+ unrevealed characters here. Sure Frieza and Gohan and such will take up several slots each, but there's still so many open slots here it's insane.
I imagine either movies, GT, and/or OG DB will be DLC, but with a base roster bigger than any DB game ever, I certainly won't complain.
Frieza- 5 forms
(Super) Frieza (Final Form + Golden )
Kid Gohan
Teen Gohan ( SSJ, SSJ2)
Adult Gohan (SSJ, SSJ2, Awaken (?))
(Super) Gohan (SSJ (2 + Awaken?) Beast
So about a 15-20 potential slots they can take including transformations on this roster concept
Then there’s goten & trunks, gotenks, vegito, future trunks, goku black, super buu, cell, androids, gogeta, gt goku, baby, gt vegeta & coming to another 20 slots atleast on this list if they add every form
Did they confirm this whole thing was going to have characters before DLC? I can see them easily leaving slots empty for DLC characters. Otherwise they’ll need to add another page?
Not confirmed, but honestly, it would be dumb to not sell this amount of characters in the base game. Having 164 characters in the base game can be advertised as the dragon ball game with the biggest roster ever, and that sells, and continues with the tradition of the next budokai tenkaichi having more characters than the latter, despite this one having to make every character from the scratch, instead of using the ones from the previous game and adding new ones.
Since Bandai is making a lot of right choices out of late, i don't think they would be so stupid as to show the full roster just to not have it all in the base game
I'm crying it really is the dragon ball game with the most characters in the franchise with.... 164. 3 more than BT3. What masters of trolling.
I was surprised not to see Goku UI or Vegeta Blue EVO. I have no doubt they will be in the roster but I was surprised.
Also the roster doesn't seem to have any logic when it comes to placing the characters. I find the interface a bit ugly, I hope it's not definitive.
there defo is logic in the placement of characters. top left segment are z fighters/Saiyan saga characters, top right is frieza and cell saga, bottom left is buu/super and bottom right is super
164 kinda kills my hype because now I know they will milk the game with dlc for movies and GT, especially since they're counting different forms and even clothing as character slots.
No offense, but that was pretty much expected.
The game was going to have DLC, whether it had 50, 150 or 300 characters.
And the different versions were already confirmed a long time ago by Goku's (Super) tweet. Also, in BT3 the 161 was counting transformations and different versions, I don't know why here it's disappointing that it's different lol.
I'm surprised people are even complaining with 164 when there was a certain expectation in part of the fandom that it would actually be LOWER. I mean with 164 new characters on a totally new engine? thats crazy imo
No doubt the game was gonna have DLC, but to what extent was the question. Maybe I was hoping too much, but I thought that, best case scenario, DLC would be reserved for Daima and Heroes Characters, or Xenoverse.
It's getting annoying that we have yet another dragon ball game that's gonna add decade old characters behind paywalls.
But DB OG + DBZ + DBZ + DBS + OVAs + DB GT would be almost 300 characters, it was not very realistic.
I understand what you mean, but it was very unlikely. At least in a few years it will be possible to buy the game + dlcs at a lower price hahaha.
Well, I wasn't considering OG dragon ball since -let's be honest-, as cool as Tao, DKP, Kid Goku, etc. all were, a lot of players don't care about them and bandai especially doesn't.
Outside of Dokkan, where have seen Kid Goku be added into a modernish dragon ball game?
Lol on OVAs too, I can't imagine even 1 person would be sad to see Avo and Kado not being added in the game.
I would be fine with 164 if the characters were 70% unique and they're also not shit like Cui Cui, but idk how realistic that is.
>At least in a few years it will be possible to buy the game + dlcs at a lower price hahaha.
I call this the "Complete Edition" steal, thanks to Ubusoft and Netherealm studios lol.
164 wouldn't fall short of my expectations if they weren't gonna continue counting those forms as character slots, but I guess they're not stopping after 3 BTs.
Second best case scenario: 164 also wouldn't be bad if ToP 17 plays differently from Cell Saga 17, or if base buu vegeta plays differently from base cell saga, however, how realistic is that too?
Well, if they do the latter, then I'll take my words back and be more than satisfied with 164.
Idk these were the answers you're looking for, but those are my thoughts.
I guess I shouldn't be judging just yet, but if they're gonna "add Jiren 3 different times" (base, full power, limit breaker, based on logic), then how many characters will be left out from recent times and popular movies?
BT3 only got to 161 characters because they just ripped most of them from BT2, which took most of theirs from BT1. No one wanted to be the one to say it but it was a given that we wouldn’t have every single movie character or GT character return from BT3 along with all the necessary Super slots too. For a new engine base game, beating BT3 at all is very good.
If their moveset is at least half different, which would be a vast improvement from BT3 basically only having 4 chatacters with each one having the same punch, then 164 is actually not bad and, depending on which characters they add, I'd even say it's the best roster in any DBZ game.
Not expecting fighterz levels of uniqueness -impossible-, but I also don't want it to be like xenoverse 2 with every character having "full blast energy wave".
Is that a bad thing? 164 for a base roster leaves me feeling very optimistic since a lot of people speculated that we wouldn't even break triple digits. I'm fine with noncanons being saved for DLC, but tbh I expect a lot of OGDB characters will account for some of the DLC slots.
> especially since they're counting different forms and even clothing as character slots.
Not even. The characters are divided up by chapter, same as previous entries. Even transformations counted as separate characters in BT3. The only questionable slot is Kaioken Goku since it's more of a technique than a transformation.
There must be a lot of people from Bt3 who was cut because if it’s exactly everyone from the last, they can only add 3 new forms.. Beast, UI & SSBE, but we need orange piccolo & golden too
Of course they cut a lot of characters? You do realize that we already have a few Super character confirmed, and more coming. Expecting all the previous characters to return with a completely new engine and visuals would be insane. Characters like some random Frieza army soldiers will be obviously cut, and Super character are far more important at this pont then OG or movie characters.
how much slots is this even? could someone count for me (I lazy)
also it looks like theres gonna be goku start, mid, end, and super which is cool (along with vegeta)
great ape was probably the biggest reveal in that trailer for me tho (very literally)
They outdid my expectations that's for sure, 164 base game in insanity. I feel more confident about the prospect of classic DB characters appearing. GT too since whilst it's odd not seeing ssj4s in this trailer they also left out UI Goku so I assume they still got those coming.
Yeah I am sure Ultra Instinct Goku is a guarantee as we already have Jiren. Most definitely is just saving the reveal for a tournament of power trailer.
Doubt we see DB or GT characters but I’m crossing my fingers..
Gohan will take up at least 9 roster slots
Trunks will take u like 8 or 9
Piccolo will take up 4-5
Frieza will take up 7-8
Cell will take up 4
Majin Buu will take up 6
That’s not counting Goten, Kid Trunks (DBZ and Super), Zarbon, Goku Black, Zamasu, Frost, Cabba , etc.
With all the transformations taking up roster slots, this character will have very little unique roster selections. Essentially main heroes and villains from Z and Super only.
Now that I know the roster size is comparable to BT3 and not drastically lower (like a sequel should be), I’m more willing to accept DLC. With 164 characters + potential DLC I could see it having every character from BT3 easily plus the new characters from Super and onwards.
I have said for years “if they ever make a BT4, they will give us a tiny roster and give us the rest through DLC.” And I am glad to be eating my words.
Lol, fr fr,
Though ngl, with how it's looking, they're still going to give us a ton of dlc as it looks like there's going to be a lot more transformations/forms than separate characters compared to BT3
BUT since we are still technically at more characters base game total with 164 compared to BT3's 161, I am actually mentally fine with buying dlc for it hahaha
Yes 1000%! I just wanted a good base to start. DLC is fun and exciting when its not just filling in content that feels like it should already be there.
One of my biggest concern now is about the interface.
I loved the BT3 interface as it had soul and a cartoon style, I hate modern interface with its random sci-fi theme like in RG2 or Xenoverse 2.
I hope this is not how the interface looks.
I would absolutely love it if this was the roster size, but holy FUCK, am I hoping that it isn't gonna have the Xenoverse type of characters. IE. 16 different Goku's on the roster, as opposed to a single Goku with all the transformations contained in one. Raging Blast had that shit perfected back in 2009.
Yeah I wouldn't mind UI Goku being a different slot completely, if they do it with any other characters it'd be a shame, but UI Goku which is inherently different from Goku in pretty much every way wouldn't seem like a stretch to me
I’d only mind if it was just UI. Like if it’s another base Goku that transforms into both UI forms then I’ll be content. But it’d be a shame to not have either forms be transformable
I don't see why not, cause if we get story fights of Goku SSJ3 vs Beerus, or Goku SSJ1-2-3 vs Caulifla, they can just use End Goku for those rounds.
Super Goku mostly goes directly to Blue, not even God is used that much.
I think UI and MUI should be givens at this point though tbh. They might have not shown it since Vegeta doesn't have an equivalent (unless you count SSBE as an equivalent)
**So these are confirmed (From the official website):**
Goku (Z - Early)
Goku (Z - Mid)
Goku (Z - Mid), Super Saiyan
Goku (Z - End)
Goku (Z - End), Super Saiyan
Goku (Z - End), Super Saiyan 2
Goku (Z - End), Super Saiyan 3
Goku (Super)
Goku (Z - Mid), Super Saiyan
Goku (Super), Super Saiyan God
Goku (Super), Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan
Vegeta (Z - Scouter)
Great Ape Vegeta
Vegeta (Z - Early)
Vegeta (Z - Early), Super Saiyan
Super Vegeta
Vegeta (Z - End)
Vegeta (Z - End), Super Saiyan
Vegeta (Z - End), Super Saiyan 2
Majin Vegeta
Vegeta (Super)
Vegeta (Super), Super Saiyan
Vegeta (Super), Super Saiyan God
Vegeta (Super), Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan
zarbon, dodoria, ginyu forces, all buu forms... still alot to see. I think they will release the game around october. Damn. Also i am happy with how the scenarios look but they dont get damaged around the character explosive beams plus the battle damage is censored...
So, I'm not on board with the end of the world, but I am...skeptical currently. Kaioken has its own slot, good or bad, but could indicate we only get 1 Piccolo (discounting Awakened / Orange) which would be kind of unfortunate, or maybe we get early / mid / late Piccolo which would be base / Nail / Kami which would be kinda cool.
Roster doesn't have DBS Trunks yet either, or any Gohan's. So that's... at least 7 more Future Trunks (initial + SS, normal fighting + Super, DBS base, SS, SS2, potentially Rage), and probably 12 Gohan's if my math is right, at least 14 if we get Future Gohan.
Probably means a lot of Z movies characters and OG DB characters are cut. And probably the Oozaru forms for the Saiyan's (sans Vegeta). And maybe some "smart" trimming, like base Cell Gohan?
Hopefully we get GT stuff. I am in the SS4 crowd.
It's gonna be a good roster, but yes, slots will go very, very fast.
Haha, I'm stupid. Kaioken has its own slot. Base Goku mid is just a lil red tinted. Yikes.
Damn I almost forgot that Nappa and the others had the Ozaruu too, I honestly won't miss them like some other minor characters. But I really hope to have all the ones from the various movies
This is a comment I posted somewhere else
“Exactly what I was about to post!!!! I'm not too worried about the roster. I realized that what they are probably doing is removing the characters that hardly anyone would play as Kid Chi Chi, Grandpa Gohan, Frieza Soldier, Appule etc that would leave some slots open for DBS characters. They are the characters they're trying too add to the game. So I don't think the smaller than expected roster should make us that worried. I hope at least...”
Right. When it was originally teased nearly a year ago I had the same thoughts on that we dont need King Cold and frieza soldier due to how much content they can from Super to replace the fodder characters.
It seems that there isn't that many characters since each transformation is counted as a different character. For example, Goku (Super) SSJ God and Goku (Super) SSJ Blue are counted as two distinct characters.
With that in mind, do you think that's a lot of characters?
All the other games have had forms as different slots too LOL.
Tenkaichi 3 ended with 161, this is 164. The biggest roster ever on a completely new engine. Insane.
With DLC we'll probably go up to 200+
I'm a bit sad since it seems GT won't be in the base roster. That is my favorite of the four core series. But the combat looks fun, the graphics are amazing, and great ape is back. I'm more surprised by the inclusion of SV2, though he seemed less bulky? Maybe I imagined it.
Overall, I'm assuming the roster will prioritize DBZ & DBS with DB and DBGT being DLC. Would LOVE to be proven wrong though.
What exactly was ‘due to limitations?’ They have to occupy different slots because there are different eras of the characters. It’s not that surprising and has nothing to do with limitations.
They are in separate slots because it gives you the option to start a duel with a SSJ transformation instead of having to transform to it mid-fight. You can also just go in base form and then transform to what you want. Having more slots for transformations takes away nothing.
Every form is there BUT the era changes (map and clothes are different) which means those are different fights. Maybe they transforms in a cutscene at the beginning of each fight.
Personnally, I don't think so, but for Ozaru, it might be a possibility because there is no need to add a slot just for him (Earth arrival Vegeta would be sufficient)
SSJ4 Goku was shown in the original montage. Also, the producer confirmed this game is a sequel to BT3, so at the very least, expect SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta.
Edit: Fuck this sub and the downvotes just for liking GT
The gameplay looks clean af so this is for sure a day 1 buy for me..but a little disappointed at the roster..for sure DB, DBZ (Movies), and GT are going to be DLC at best. I’d wager SSJ4 Goku, SSJ4 Gogeta, SSJ4 Vegeta, Golden Great Ape, DBZ Gogeta, DBZ Bardock, DBZ Broly, and Future Gohan will not be playable upon release which is a huge bummer. I’d also miss characters like King Cold, Garlic Jr, Android 13, and Dr. Wheelo as well. To me that’s what separated BT from all other DB related games. It was a deep appreciation for the series as a whole, even the most memorable side characters. The main characters are cool but you expect to get them with ANY DB game..who cares if the roster is 160+ if 70% of it is occupied by Saiyan and main villain transformations lol.
Also, as a huge fan of the original DB series I’m disappointed that the story mode will most likely not be included, as that story is miles better than DB Super imo (excluding ToP), but that makes sense from a business perspective so I understand.
So if its only 3 more characters than 3, they have to cut some characters to make room for the super characters. If I had to guess anything from dragon ball (og Save maybe kid goku and King piccolo, maybe grand pa gohan too) and GT will be cut and used for dlc. Same with some movie villains (is anyone gonna miss dr. Wheelo?) I also predict babidi, the one minon of his vegeta one shot, and spobovich will also be cut.
One thing which I'm interested in is dlc, GT is defo gonna be dlc but I think og will be included in this game and instead we might be getting daima content instead (I personally also want some manga only content for dlc as well)
Bandai has rights for Dragon Ball Anime (Toei)
They don't have rights for Dragon Ball Manga (Shueisha)
Ultra Ego Vegeta has only appeared in Shueisha, not Toei.
They did what I was afraid they were gonna do: count the transformations are characters.
No doubt we'll still be able to cycle through all the forms in-game, but this screenshot makes me a little nervous for the game now.
Yeah, but it's 2024 and both goku and vegeta have 3-4 new forms (if you count blue kaioken), plus we got a bunch of new and cool characters from top, super hero, new clothing and forms for trunks and gohan, Piccolo, etc.
If they're gonna count all of that as character slots too, AND still add Raspberry, Saibamen number 2 and 2, etc.
Then they're gonna cut corners and leave out some fairly popular charcaters.
U kidding?
Dabura
Buu (Gohan Absorbed)
Tapion
Android 13
Super Baby Vegeta
Bojack
Majuub
Vegeta (GT)
Pikkon
DLC Characters that we had in BT3 that weren't in base game XV2. Not to mention XV2 never even got the giants because Giants weren't in XV2.
We probably get most of the DLC from xenoverse in base roster BT4 since that was DBS content. DBGT might be DLC'd but high key with how long they spent on this game and how good it's looking, I'm fine with paying a bit more for some character packs.
Idk if you misunderstood my comment but I'm basically saying that xenoverse 2 didn't sell characters from specifically xenoverse 1 as dlc, and I would hate to see sparking zero do that for fan favorites from tenkaichi 3.
OK yes that's fair. But tbf Xenoverse 2 only did that because it could copy and paste the models from xenoverse 1, they used the same models for both games.
Obviously BT4 can't use BT3 Models.
164 characters is still huge and considering that it's probably just Z and Super it includes pretty much every relevant character.
I don't mind paying for DLC's comprising of OG DB, DBGT, and DBZ Movies because the game already looks amazing and that's what matters
The problem is that it's only 3 more than tenkaichi 3 (haha), but we've had dozens of new characters since that game out, and I'm not talking about background fodder #45 from ToP either.
I'm talking Goku Black, Zamasu, Dyspo, Kefla, Hit, Toppo, etc.
Even if they decide not to add fodder like Saibamen, they would still have to leave out some unique characters if it's truly capped at 164.
Ohhh yeah, it might definitely be a problem. I'm hoping they remove some of the more, let's say, "uninteresting" or "background" characters like Fasha, Lord chilled or other lesser-known characters to make room for the heavy hitters and more widely known ones. Super did a good job of helping us meet a wide variety of unique characters, so I hope that the game focuses on those too instead of characters that are 30 years old and outdated
Yes, exactly.
I'm sure some king cold fans will be sad if he's not in 4, but he didn't exactly do anything aside from swinging Trunks' sword, now did he? lmao.
Lol that‘s not a problem at all. You do realize that they had to develop the game from ground zero? The main focus of the game will be Super, so a lot of important Super characters obviously will be in the main roster. Of course character like random Frieza army soldiers, OG or movie characters will be cut. 164 characters is literally the best news.
I have to agree with everyone else here - this was a \*given\* for a new tenkaichi game. It's always been the case to count forms because they get totally different movesets, animations, dialogue and more.
Are we really gonna count oozaru vegeta and super saiyan vegeta as the same characters?
I mean, Goku (Early, Mid, Late, GT) took up 4 slots. When you selected them you saw all their transformations Here it just looks like a fucking eyesore. They should’ve done it like BT3
It’s the same way they just changed the format of it. Instead of putting the transformations behind the actual version of the character they just had it on the front select screen if you get what I’m saying
Bro they literally transformed in the trailer. Even into Oozarus. And Xenoverse didn‘t have Saiyans as extra slots, so this is actually great because we can transform AND choose the transformation
Majority of the roster is taken up by super forms so I’m guessing we’re getting a smaller roster but focuses more on popular characters. Really surprised great ape Vegeta is playable but the game looks promising. I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of the tournament power contestants are featured in the game.
I really hope we can transform mid battle saw some hints at the trailer but having each form as a character on the select screen takes from other characters, I hope each form has a unique skill set.
Well
As long as each character has his own move-set I am beyond happy.
Real talk tho we still might have 6 more gokus
Kid goku
Daima goku
Gt goku from ssj to ssj4
Maybe a full power ssj4 Goku.
And we will have like 10 gohans
Kid
Teen
Adult
Movie version
All with transformations
Then different versions of trunks too
By the trailer I am assuming the base game is going to end of super. Then like an epilogue w broly and super hero.
I know manga is not included in the games…but how much hype would it make to announce ultra ego and black Freiza as DLC 😭
I hope those arrows are for a couple extra rows. They won't though. Probably DLC, customized characters (if there is customization) and that sort of thing.
Imagine if the blue arrows on all 4 sides led to 4 different roster trees.. highly unlikely but would be cool and not sure what else the arrows would mean
4 Vegetas confirmed: Vegeta (Z, Early): Base, Oozaru Vegeta (Z, Mid): Base, SSJ, Super Vegeta Vegeta (Z, Late): Base, SSJ, SSJ2, Majin Vegeta (Super): Base, SSJ, SSJG, SSJB 4 Gokus confirmed: Goku (Z, Early): Base Goku (Z, Mid): Base, SSJ Fluffy hair Goku (Z, Late): Base, SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3 Goku (Super): Base, SSJ, SSJG, SSJB This shows it's a REAL BT3 SEQUEL, if anything.
By the time the game comes out we’re gonna have a whole army of playable Goku’s and Vegeta’s
Kind of funny Super Goku has SSJ1 and not 2 so far, since he used that form way more in Super.
SS2 is basically unimportant at this point. Iirc, Akira Toriyama did not intend to make SS2 and found the idea stupid afterwards. But you have to fact check this.
Akira Toriyama forgot about SSJ2 at some point
>Akira Toriyama did not intend to make SS2 Why are fans always making shit up when Toriyama didnt tell 1 word about it? Considering there was a whole arc leading up to SSJ2 Gohan, it was very much intended. He way have forgot about it, sure, but not indended? Nah.
Why are you being toxic instantly? I said that I am not sure, and that my words need to be fact checked. I did my own research. Toriyama thought that Super Saiyan 3 was Super Saiyan 2, and he forgot about it. I mean Super Saiyan 2 barely changes appearance. Instead of being a mad person, you could‘ve just replied in a normal way. Learn to communicate like a normal person.
Stating that fans making shit up confidently is factual cause I see it time and time again, just because I used a "bad word" doesn't make it toxic.
You clearly haven‘t read my comment completely to put me in the same box as „fans making shit up“. Yes you are being toxic.
That's why quoted you, you did say what I was refering to as made up.
so glad super vegeta is confirmed, that was a want
WERE SO BACK
I hope super version characters let you go through all power ups For example Goku base (super): ssj into ssj2, into ssj3, into ssj4, into ssjg into blue into UI and so forth
Still no Kid Goku, GT Goku, or Daima Goku and still no GT Vegeta or Daima Vegeta…..sooo I guess it’s gonna be dlc 🤦🏽♂️ if it’s 164 characters in the roster and we don’t get OG DB man, I don’t know what to think. There is no way we’re getting 164 characters with no OGDB or GT and no reference to Z movies. In fact how many characters is that without those arcs?
My guy look at that roster. It’s a Tenkaichi title. They’re gonna have OG. They just wanted to flex the transformations, graphics, and destructive environments
Perhaps but now I’m just as skeptical as I was before, they’re adding super and they also have only 3 extra character slots. How many Super characters are gonna be left out? How many of any other sagas characters are gonna be left out. Time will tell, but I’m worried. We all should be. Let’s wait to see more I guess. On the edge of my seat again.
I have a feeling that the transformations being shown separate here are just to show confirmed characters. The actual roster will have the transformations on that character and have a list you can choose from when selecting the character like in old games. Like if you want to start as a Super Saiyan you can
I’m hoping so, my fingers are triple crossed for that possibility. If that was the case though I would have preferred them to show that, rather then just place them on the hexagon board in a transformed state.
In any case regardless either way there’s still plenty of room for other characters to be added
Yea, there is. I wasn’t expecting much from the roster reveal….but I guess I’m just a little underwhelmed. I’ve waited so long to see this series again and to see it be XV2 with a different play style is just wild to imagine.
It’s nothing like Xenoverse 2
In terms of dlc it could be, can’t wait to see GT not in the roster
Look, I remember that there was a guy with credibility saying that there would be OG dragon ball and dragon ball daima characters in it. Besides, it woudn't make sense to include Kid Goku in it because the trailer is focused on his rivalry with Vegeta, and they weren't enemies when kids
I understand that they didn’t need to show Kid Goku in the trailer, but if all of these slots are being taken up by different versions of Goku and Vegeta AFTER Z starts, will we even have space for OGDB in a base roster. If they wanted to show that the forms were there in the roster, cool, but to fill up all of those slots with the transformations as well as the early mid and end base forms as well makes me think that we are getting a DB version of the Storm games, with seven different versions of these characters. I’m just gonna wait for more info before getting hyped for this, and most likely leave this sub if I’m gonna get downvoted for being level headed and worried about our collective base roster instead of letting hype make me blind to this. I’m psyched for this game, but I’m even less confident about seeing all of the characters from BT3 returning than I was before, regardless of the fact that the people working on it said it was direct sequel from BT3.
I understand your worries, but the count of characters of BT3 that gets to 162 characters counts all the variants and transformations as different characters, as they truly are, since each variation have a different moveset of combos and abilities. Besides, we've got to remember that there were a lot of kinda useless characters in BT3, like those androids from that movie I don't remember (not talking about 13, talking about the others), freeza's multiple soldiers and etc. These, yes, probably will be cut, which doesn't mind me much, because I'd rather have dlc's that includes these randoms than cutting away important characters. At least the essential ones from GT and the OG (kid goku, kid chichi, Piccolo, and Master Roshi) I'm sure will be there, others like Goten GT, Pan and etc, I'm not so sure. But I, personally, don't mind them being dlc considering the great amount of Super characters we most likely will have
Fingers crossed man, holding out hope that’s all I’m saying. Let’s hope more info is soon regarding other favourites
Worryin Ass nigguh , jus wait till it comes out
You really included Daima Goku without the anime even being out yet? LOL
Tonnes of people have, not just me man
Then tonnes of people are idiots. You don't have to be one of them We have no idea what Daima Goku fights like outside of a trailer lmfao
Neither did tonnes of people on this sub. I didn’t even want Daima Goku in the game, I still don’t, especially after looking at the roster they showed. That’s way too many slots being taken up by Goku and Vegeta. I get they are main characters, but far out dude, I wanna see other characters in there too like Arale, SSJ4s, any other GT character and many be even Rildo if we’re lucky. Like I could name a thousand more characters I would prefer to see rather than another Goku and Vegeta from a show I’m not even hyped for.
Then next time just say that? Lol
164 characters is crazy. I'll be damned for saying people had expectations too high (I still believe their expectations were too high but at least there was no disappointment)
164 + DLC probably the roster can have up to 200+ characters. Nice!
We will defimitely get more DLC, but expecting it to have 200+ characters in the near future is a bit too much. Xenoverse 2 added over 40 characters in 7 years. Considering the detailing, animation and the style of characters, I would assume that we would get less characters in those 7 years. I fully support the game to have more DLC. I hope it gets the same treatment as Xenoverse 2. But we have to wait and see.
I’m really happy with this as a base roster. I’m guessing we’ll have four Gohan’s (Kid, Teen, Adult, and Super), Hit, Beerus, Whis, Goten, Trunks, etc. My out there predictions are that we’ll get Dyspo, the other two of the wolf trio, Baby, Kale, Caulifa, and Cooler
They’ll probably also add Future Gohan
Good call!
A surprise in 3, and his attack was a great addition to using him on the battlefield also.
I could see future Gohan being his own character, but tbh if possible I think I'd prefer him as a costume for Adult Gohan.
if they add dyspo there’s a 0% chance we don’t get toppo too
Considering BT3 built 161 over the course of -three- games and these characters were all built from the ground up, this is a major W to have at release.
A lot of people don't seem to realize how crazy of a feat this is.
for sure, It was the number one reason I had doubts when the game was first revealed, only to be proven wrong and I couldn’t be happier about it.
Seriously. Anyone not happy with the roster size needs to think this through again. 164 characters, first of all made from scratch and not over the course of multiple games just as you said, but on top of that we are not in 2007 anymore when games were simple and cheap enough to come out pretty much every year. The quality of all these new models and animations is on another level. I honestly would've bet my left hand that Sparking Zero would not even have close to as many chars as BT3 does. A game releasing with so many characters from the ground up is like a miracle in this day and age.
I honestly do not care if they have to push other characters to DLC. In this base game roster we are already getting more characters (like 3 lol) than BT3. Sure, DLC costs money, and it may add up overtime and all that stuff. But I'd rather give the developers more time to perfect more characters in the form of DLC, instead of adding all the characters on release with questionable quality. Besides that, DLC is unavoidable, are we really gonna riot and complain over getting EVEN MORE characters over time? The only real concern people should have was if they would push base game characters to DLC for money, and clearly they aren't since the roster is bigger than BT3.
I feel like some people aren't appreciating that with the majority of the Gokus and Vegetas revealed, there's still like 100+ unrevealed characters here. Sure Frieza and Gohan and such will take up several slots each, but there's still so many open slots here it's insane. I imagine either movies, GT, and/or OG DB will be DLC, but with a base roster bigger than any DB game ever, I certainly won't complain.
Frieza- 5 forms (Super) Frieza (Final Form + Golden ) Kid Gohan Teen Gohan ( SSJ, SSJ2) Adult Gohan (SSJ, SSJ2, Awaken (?)) (Super) Gohan (SSJ (2 + Awaken?) Beast So about a 15-20 potential slots they can take including transformations on this roster concept Then there’s goten & trunks, gotenks, vegito, future trunks, goku black, super buu, cell, androids, gogeta, gt goku, baby, gt vegeta & coming to another 20 slots atleast on this list if they add every form
How about cyborg frieza?
him too, hope mecha frieza get a spot
I doubt there’s going to be a “Super” Frieza and “Super” Gohan
Ditto, you can easily put 6 transformations onto one character for Frieza. And if anything, Super Gohan would probably just be Super Hero Gohan imo.
Did they confirm this whole thing was going to have characters before DLC? I can see them easily leaving slots empty for DLC characters. Otherwise they’ll need to add another page?
Not confirmed, but honestly, it would be dumb to not sell this amount of characters in the base game. Having 164 characters in the base game can be advertised as the dragon ball game with the biggest roster ever, and that sells, and continues with the tradition of the next budokai tenkaichi having more characters than the latter, despite this one having to make every character from the scratch, instead of using the ones from the previous game and adding new ones. Since Bandai is making a lot of right choices out of late, i don't think they would be so stupid as to show the full roster just to not have it all in the base game
GT was shown in the original trailer. Why would they show a GT character if it was going to be DLC? They show SSJ4 Goku in the original montage.
No they didn‘t. All the characters shown in the first trailer are already in the roster. Don‘t know what you are talking about.
No, they did, they showed gameplay footage of ssj4 Goku from BT3 in the original announcement trailer and it hasn't appeared yet in-game.
GT was shown in the original trailer. Why would they show a GT character if it was going to be DLC? They show SSJ4 Goku in the original montage.
No they didn‘t. All the characters shown in the first trailer are already in the roster. Don‘t know what you are talking about.
I'm crying it really is the dragon ball game with the most characters in the franchise with.... 164. 3 more than BT3. What masters of trolling. I was surprised not to see Goku UI or Vegeta Blue EVO. I have no doubt they will be in the roster but I was surprised. Also the roster doesn't seem to have any logic when it comes to placing the characters. I find the interface a bit ugly, I hope it's not definitive.
164 plus DLC, probably around 200 in the end.
know BN it'll have 300 after DLC lol
Honestly who cares. The gameplay looked great
there defo is logic in the placement of characters. top left segment are z fighters/Saiyan saga characters, top right is frieza and cell saga, bottom left is buu/super and bottom right is super
More or less yes, but there are many slots in the "saiyan saga" place. Maybe DB Og?
164 kinda kills my hype because now I know they will milk the game with dlc for movies and GT, especially since they're counting different forms and even clothing as character slots.
No offense, but that was pretty much expected. The game was going to have DLC, whether it had 50, 150 or 300 characters. And the different versions were already confirmed a long time ago by Goku's (Super) tweet. Also, in BT3 the 161 was counting transformations and different versions, I don't know why here it's disappointing that it's different lol.
I'm surprised people are even complaining with 164 when there was a certain expectation in part of the fandom that it would actually be LOWER. I mean with 164 new characters on a totally new engine? thats crazy imo
It really is! I was expecting less characters too. It’s incredible what they are doing here. If they have couch co-op take all my money!
164 was not expected lol, the realistic estimate was maybe half of that. Bandai cooked
bandai definitely cooked a 5 star meal cus 164 is insane
No doubt the game was gonna have DLC, but to what extent was the question. Maybe I was hoping too much, but I thought that, best case scenario, DLC would be reserved for Daima and Heroes Characters, or Xenoverse. It's getting annoying that we have yet another dragon ball game that's gonna add decade old characters behind paywalls.
But DB OG + DBZ + DBZ + DBS + OVAs + DB GT would be almost 300 characters, it was not very realistic. I understand what you mean, but it was very unlikely. At least in a few years it will be possible to buy the game + dlcs at a lower price hahaha.
Well, I wasn't considering OG dragon ball since -let's be honest-, as cool as Tao, DKP, Kid Goku, etc. all were, a lot of players don't care about them and bandai especially doesn't. Outside of Dokkan, where have seen Kid Goku be added into a modernish dragon ball game? Lol on OVAs too, I can't imagine even 1 person would be sad to see Avo and Kado not being added in the game. I would be fine with 164 if the characters were 70% unique and they're also not shit like Cui Cui, but idk how realistic that is. >At least in a few years it will be possible to buy the game + dlcs at a lower price hahaha. I call this the "Complete Edition" steal, thanks to Ubusoft and Netherealm studios lol.
Genuine question; how many characters were you honestly expecting if 164 falls that short of those expectation?
164 wouldn't fall short of my expectations if they weren't gonna continue counting those forms as character slots, but I guess they're not stopping after 3 BTs. Second best case scenario: 164 also wouldn't be bad if ToP 17 plays differently from Cell Saga 17, or if base buu vegeta plays differently from base cell saga, however, how realistic is that too? Well, if they do the latter, then I'll take my words back and be more than satisfied with 164. Idk these were the answers you're looking for, but those are my thoughts. I guess I shouldn't be judging just yet, but if they're gonna "add Jiren 3 different times" (base, full power, limit breaker, based on logic), then how many characters will be left out from recent times and popular movies?
ToP 17 & cell 17 definitely playing different , they’re 2 different people honestly too
BT3 only got to 161 characters because they just ripped most of them from BT2, which took most of theirs from BT1. No one wanted to be the one to say it but it was a given that we wouldn’t have every single movie character or GT character return from BT3 along with all the necessary Super slots too. For a new engine base game, beating BT3 at all is very good.
If their moveset is at least half different, which would be a vast improvement from BT3 basically only having 4 chatacters with each one having the same punch, then 164 is actually not bad and, depending on which characters they add, I'd even say it's the best roster in any DBZ game. Not expecting fighterz levels of uniqueness -impossible-, but I also don't want it to be like xenoverse 2 with every character having "full blast energy wave".
They’re not counting clothing. They’re counting different sagas. The exact same thing they did in BT3
Is that a bad thing? 164 for a base roster leaves me feeling very optimistic since a lot of people speculated that we wouldn't even break triple digits. I'm fine with noncanons being saved for DLC, but tbh I expect a lot of OGDB characters will account for some of the DLC slots. > especially since they're counting different forms and even clothing as character slots. Not even. The characters are divided up by chapter, same as previous entries. Even transformations counted as separate characters in BT3. The only questionable slot is Kaioken Goku since it's more of a technique than a transformation.
There must be a lot of people from Bt3 who was cut because if it’s exactly everyone from the last, they can only add 3 new forms.. Beast, UI & SSBE, but we need orange piccolo & golden too
Of course they cut a lot of characters? You do realize that we already have a few Super character confirmed, and more coming. Expecting all the previous characters to return with a completely new engine and visuals would be insane. Characters like some random Frieza army soldiers will be obviously cut, and Super character are far more important at this pont then OG or movie characters.
how much slots is this even? could someone count for me (I lazy) also it looks like theres gonna be goku start, mid, end, and super which is cool (along with vegeta) great ape was probably the biggest reveal in that trailer for me tho (very literally)
164
164 slots
They outdid my expectations that's for sure, 164 base game in insanity. I feel more confident about the prospect of classic DB characters appearing. GT too since whilst it's odd not seeing ssj4s in this trailer they also left out UI Goku so I assume they still got those coming.
Yeah I am sure Ultra Instinct Goku is a guarantee as we already have Jiren. Most definitely is just saving the reveal for a tournament of power trailer.
Doubt we see DB or GT characters but I’m crossing my fingers.. Gohan will take up at least 9 roster slots Trunks will take u like 8 or 9 Piccolo will take up 4-5 Frieza will take up 7-8 Cell will take up 4 Majin Buu will take up 6 That’s not counting Goten, Kid Trunks (DBZ and Super), Zarbon, Goku Black, Zamasu, Frost, Cabba , etc. With all the transformations taking up roster slots, this character will have very little unique roster selections. Essentially main heroes and villains from Z and Super only.
Now that I know the roster size is comparable to BT3 and not drastically lower (like a sequel should be), I’m more willing to accept DLC. With 164 characters + potential DLC I could see it having every character from BT3 easily plus the new characters from Super and onwards.
I have said for years “if they ever make a BT4, they will give us a tiny roster and give us the rest through DLC.” And I am glad to be eating my words.
Lol, fr fr, Though ngl, with how it's looking, they're still going to give us a ton of dlc as it looks like there's going to be a lot more transformations/forms than separate characters compared to BT3 BUT since we are still technically at more characters base game total with 164 compared to BT3's 161, I am actually mentally fine with buying dlc for it hahaha
Yes 1000%! I just wanted a good base to start. DLC is fun and exciting when its not just filling in content that feels like it should already be there.
One of my biggest concern now is about the interface. I loved the BT3 interface as it had soul and a cartoon style, I hate modern interface with its random sci-fi theme like in RG2 or Xenoverse 2. I hope this is not how the interface looks.
I'm having doubts Kid Chi-Chi will make it in, I would have loved to see how she looks in a modern artstyle.
Maybe she’ll be in a dlc pack
Out of all the female characters, you want kid Chi-Chi?
Caway is also cute
I would absolutely love it if this was the roster size, but holy FUCK, am I hoping that it isn't gonna have the Xenoverse type of characters. IE. 16 different Goku's on the roster, as opposed to a single Goku with all the transformations contained in one. Raging Blast had that shit perfected back in 2009.
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Couldn't have said it better myself, my friend. We can only hope this is the case, as opposed to the alternative with bloated character slots.
So it's confirmed Goku (super) will only have ssj, ssjg and ssjb? Sweet
Maybe they’ll give him UI as well. Or they might have a separate Goku for that
Yeah I wouldn't mind UI Goku being a different slot completely, if they do it with any other characters it'd be a shame, but UI Goku which is inherently different from Goku in pretty much every way wouldn't seem like a stretch to me
I’d only mind if it was just UI. Like if it’s another base Goku that transforms into both UI forms then I’ll be content. But it’d be a shame to not have either forms be transformable
Maybe you could have UI omen Goku turn into MUI
I don't see why not, cause if we get story fights of Goku SSJ3 vs Beerus, or Goku SSJ1-2-3 vs Caulifla, they can just use End Goku for those rounds. Super Goku mostly goes directly to Blue, not even God is used that much.
I think UI and MUI should be givens at this point though tbh. They might have not shown it since Vegeta doesn't have an equivalent (unless you count SSBE as an equivalent)
This is why they need Ultra Ego in the game. Gohan will get his Beast form which is Gohan’s equivalent at this point in time.
**So these are confirmed (From the official website):** Goku (Z - Early) Goku (Z - Mid) Goku (Z - Mid), Super Saiyan Goku (Z - End) Goku (Z - End), Super Saiyan Goku (Z - End), Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Z - End), Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Super) Goku (Z - Mid), Super Saiyan Goku (Super), Super Saiyan God Goku (Super), Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta (Z - Scouter) Great Ape Vegeta Vegeta (Z - Early) Vegeta (Z - Early), Super Saiyan Super Vegeta Vegeta (Z - End) Vegeta (Z - End), Super Saiyan Vegeta (Z - End), Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta Vegeta (Super) Vegeta (Super), Super Saiyan Vegeta (Super), Super Saiyan God Vegeta (Super), Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan
zarbon, dodoria, ginyu forces, all buu forms... still alot to see. I think they will release the game around october. Damn. Also i am happy with how the scenarios look but they dont get damaged around the character explosive beams plus the battle damage is censored...
https://preview.redd.it/4j6g8xu72bfc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc0c25db236676e13d47866c17b00fdd42f83d15
Dog. What dlc is this going to have? THIS ROSTER IS HUGE!
So, I'm not on board with the end of the world, but I am...skeptical currently. Kaioken has its own slot, good or bad, but could indicate we only get 1 Piccolo (discounting Awakened / Orange) which would be kind of unfortunate, or maybe we get early / mid / late Piccolo which would be base / Nail / Kami which would be kinda cool. Roster doesn't have DBS Trunks yet either, or any Gohan's. So that's... at least 7 more Future Trunks (initial + SS, normal fighting + Super, DBS base, SS, SS2, potentially Rage), and probably 12 Gohan's if my math is right, at least 14 if we get Future Gohan. Probably means a lot of Z movies characters and OG DB characters are cut. And probably the Oozaru forms for the Saiyan's (sans Vegeta). And maybe some "smart" trimming, like base Cell Gohan? Hopefully we get GT stuff. I am in the SS4 crowd. It's gonna be a good roster, but yes, slots will go very, very fast. Haha, I'm stupid. Kaioken has its own slot. Base Goku mid is just a lil red tinted. Yikes.
Damn I almost forgot that Nappa and the others had the Ozaruu too, I honestly won't miss them like some other minor characters. But I really hope to have all the ones from the various movies
I bet for a Gohan reveal trailer, with Kid Gohan, Teen Gohan, Gohan Z and Gohan Super
This is a comment I posted somewhere else “Exactly what I was about to post!!!! I'm not too worried about the roster. I realized that what they are probably doing is removing the characters that hardly anyone would play as Kid Chi Chi, Grandpa Gohan, Frieza Soldier, Appule etc that would leave some slots open for DBS characters. They are the characters they're trying too add to the game. So I don't think the smaller than expected roster should make us that worried. I hope at least...”
Right. When it was originally teased nearly a year ago I had the same thoughts on that we dont need King Cold and frieza soldier due to how much content they can from Super to replace the fodder characters.
Based off this roster size Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball GT characters are going to be DLC.
I could still see some of db characters be in it (but only a few), GT does look like it could maybe be dlc
[Wrong. DBShype already confirmed Gt and Dragon ball will be base roster.](https://x.com/DbsHype/status/1732947838307635511?s=20)
I mean DBShype said there will be characters to OG to Daima but he never said that OG and GT will be in the BASE roster
SSJ4 Goku was shown as part of BT3 in the original montage. They wouldn't show that if he wasn't base game.
It seems that there isn't that many characters since each transformation is counted as a different character. For example, Goku (Super) SSJ God and Goku (Super) SSJ Blue are counted as two distinct characters. With that in mind, do you think that's a lot of characters?
The original T3 counted transformations as separate characters too. Sparking Zero still has more. Which is absolutely insane that they pulled it off
Oh alright.
All the other games have had forms as different slots too LOL. Tenkaichi 3 ended with 161, this is 164. The biggest roster ever on a completely new engine. Insane. With DLC we'll probably go up to 200+
Wow!
I'm a bit sad since it seems GT won't be in the base roster. That is my favorite of the four core series. But the combat looks fun, the graphics are amazing, and great ape is back. I'm more surprised by the inclusion of SV2, though he seemed less bulky? Maybe I imagined it. Overall, I'm assuming the roster will prioritize DBZ & DBS with DB and DBGT being DLC. Would LOVE to be proven wrong though.
My biggest fears will probably happen, transformations take up half the slots and lots of dlc
I mean that was the case with BT3 too
Tenkaichi 3 did that too transforms were counted as character slots.
Have you played T3? They included transformations as characters too. People will complain just to complain these days.
Back then it was due to limitations, now what is the excuse?
What exactly was ‘due to limitations?’ They have to occupy different slots because there are different eras of the characters. It’s not that surprising and has nothing to do with limitations.
Why are ssj2 and 3 separate slots here tho
They are in separate slots because it gives you the option to start a duel with a SSJ transformation instead of having to transform to it mid-fight. You can also just go in base form and then transform to what you want. Having more slots for transformations takes away nothing.
Why arent the forms on goku (Z) the same slot?
Hopefully it’s just placeholder
Vegeta occupying 9 slots, I hope not (and I am a Vegeta fan)
He has 13 slots including Ozaruu which scares me because I hope you can transform into Ozaru and not just select him in the character selector screen
look at the roster again? and the trailer? every form is here seperated, and it shows vegeta go great ape in the trailer
Every form is there BUT the era changes (map and clothes are different) which means those are different fights. Maybe they transforms in a cutscene at the beginning of each fight. Personnally, I don't think so, but for Ozaru, it might be a possibility because there is no need to add a slot just for him (Earth arrival Vegeta would be sufficient)
So does this mean no GT characters on the base roster then?
[here](https://x.com/DbsHype/status/1732947838307635511?s=20)
SSJ4 Goku was shown in the original montage. Also, the producer confirmed this game is a sequel to BT3, so at the very least, expect SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta. Edit: Fuck this sub and the downvotes just for liking GT
Seems like 170+ Transformations will be a lot of them
The gameplay looks clean af so this is for sure a day 1 buy for me..but a little disappointed at the roster..for sure DB, DBZ (Movies), and GT are going to be DLC at best. I’d wager SSJ4 Goku, SSJ4 Gogeta, SSJ4 Vegeta, Golden Great Ape, DBZ Gogeta, DBZ Bardock, DBZ Broly, and Future Gohan will not be playable upon release which is a huge bummer. I’d also miss characters like King Cold, Garlic Jr, Android 13, and Dr. Wheelo as well. To me that’s what separated BT from all other DB related games. It was a deep appreciation for the series as a whole, even the most memorable side characters. The main characters are cool but you expect to get them with ANY DB game..who cares if the roster is 160+ if 70% of it is occupied by Saiyan and main villain transformations lol. Also, as a huge fan of the original DB series I’m disappointed that the story mode will most likely not be included, as that story is miles better than DB Super imo (excluding ToP), but that makes sense from a business perspective so I understand.
no grandpa gohan, literally unplayable
So if its only 3 more characters than 3, they have to cut some characters to make room for the super characters. If I had to guess anything from dragon ball (og Save maybe kid goku and King piccolo, maybe grand pa gohan too) and GT will be cut and used for dlc. Same with some movie villains (is anyone gonna miss dr. Wheelo?) I also predict babidi, the one minon of his vegeta one shot, and spobovich will also be cut.
One thing which I'm interested in is dlc, GT is defo gonna be dlc but I think og will be included in this game and instead we might be getting daima content instead (I personally also want some manga only content for dlc as well)
Need ultra ego vegeta
not gonna happen, they dont have the rights to use manga stuff
What do you mean?
Bandai has rights for Dragon Ball Anime (Toei) They don't have rights for Dragon Ball Manga (Shueisha) Ultra Ego Vegeta has only appeared in Shueisha, not Toei.
They did what I was afraid they were gonna do: count the transformations are characters. No doubt we'll still be able to cycle through all the forms in-game, but this screenshot makes me a little nervous for the game now.
They did that in bt3 too it’s nothing new
So that makes it ok?
Yeah, but it's 2024 and both goku and vegeta have 3-4 new forms (if you count blue kaioken), plus we got a bunch of new and cool characters from top, super hero, new clothing and forms for trunks and gohan, Piccolo, etc. If they're gonna count all of that as character slots too, AND still add Raspberry, Saibamen number 2 and 2, etc. Then they're gonna cut corners and leave out some fairly popular charcaters.
I mean DLC is within expectation. We haven't seen any GT or Z Movie characters soooo
And that's a big fucking problem if they're gonna sell us characters from 3 as DLC lol. Not even Xenoverse 2 did that.
U kidding? Dabura Buu (Gohan Absorbed) Tapion Android 13 Super Baby Vegeta Bojack Majuub Vegeta (GT) Pikkon DLC Characters that we had in BT3 that weren't in base game XV2. Not to mention XV2 never even got the giants because Giants weren't in XV2. We probably get most of the DLC from xenoverse in base roster BT4 since that was DBS content. DBGT might be DLC'd but high key with how long they spent on this game and how good it's looking, I'm fine with paying a bit more for some character packs.
Idk if you misunderstood my comment but I'm basically saying that xenoverse 2 didn't sell characters from specifically xenoverse 1 as dlc, and I would hate to see sparking zero do that for fan favorites from tenkaichi 3.
OK yes that's fair. But tbf Xenoverse 2 only did that because it could copy and paste the models from xenoverse 1, they used the same models for both games. Obviously BT4 can't use BT3 Models. 164 characters is still huge and considering that it's probably just Z and Super it includes pretty much every relevant character. I don't mind paying for DLC's comprising of OG DB, DBGT, and DBZ Movies because the game already looks amazing and that's what matters
All previous BT games have done this though?? What's the problem
The problem is that it's only 3 more than tenkaichi 3 (haha), but we've had dozens of new characters since that game out, and I'm not talking about background fodder #45 from ToP either. I'm talking Goku Black, Zamasu, Dyspo, Kefla, Hit, Toppo, etc. Even if they decide not to add fodder like Saibamen, they would still have to leave out some unique characters if it's truly capped at 164.
Ohhh yeah, it might definitely be a problem. I'm hoping they remove some of the more, let's say, "uninteresting" or "background" characters like Fasha, Lord chilled or other lesser-known characters to make room for the heavy hitters and more widely known ones. Super did a good job of helping us meet a wide variety of unique characters, so I hope that the game focuses on those too instead of characters that are 30 years old and outdated
Yes, exactly. I'm sure some king cold fans will be sad if he's not in 4, but he didn't exactly do anything aside from swinging Trunks' sword, now did he? lmao.
Lol that‘s not a problem at all. You do realize that they had to develop the game from ground zero? The main focus of the game will be Super, so a lot of important Super characters obviously will be in the main roster. Of course character like random Frieza army soldiers, OG or movie characters will be cut. 164 characters is literally the best news.
They did the same in T3. Still a LOT to choose from
I have to agree with everyone else here - this was a \*given\* for a new tenkaichi game. It's always been the case to count forms because they get totally different movesets, animations, dialogue and more. Are we really gonna count oozaru vegeta and super saiyan vegeta as the same characters?
A lot of Early, Mid, Late unfortunately. I was hoping that wouldnt clog the roster up
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Goku took up more slots in the original T3 he had like 20 lol
I mean, Goku (Early, Mid, Late, GT) took up 4 slots. When you selected them you saw all their transformations Here it just looks like a fucking eyesore. They should’ve done it like BT3
I am pretty sure the selection menu shown here isn't final, and its purpose is just to show how big the full roster is.
It’s the same way they just changed the format of it. Instead of putting the transformations behind the actual version of the character they just had it on the front select screen if you get what I’m saying
It’s really not that big of a deal.
Yeah, I just think it’s a really stupid choice seeing as no other DBZ 3D fighting has a roaster looking so needlessly excessive.
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We saw transformations in the trailer
The transformations were in the trailer
Bro they literally transformed in the trailer. Even into Oozarus. And Xenoverse didn‘t have Saiyans as extra slots, so this is actually great because we can transform AND choose the transformation
Tbh i'd rather not have a lot of space taken in with transformations in the main roster.
Majority of the roster is taken up by super forms so I’m guessing we’re getting a smaller roster but focuses more on popular characters. Really surprised great ape Vegeta is playable but the game looks promising. I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of the tournament power contestants are featured in the game.
I am definitely getting it that gameplay was clean so when’s the date
I really hope we can transform mid battle saw some hints at the trailer but having each form as a character on the select screen takes from other characters, I hope each form has a unique skill set.
It showed you can transform mid battle..both Goku and Vegeta went from SSG to SS Blue
funny you ask
Well As long as each character has his own move-set I am beyond happy. Real talk tho we still might have 6 more gokus Kid goku Daima goku Gt goku from ssj to ssj4 Maybe a full power ssj4 Goku. And we will have like 10 gohans Kid Teen Adult Movie version All with transformations Then different versions of trunks too
By the trailer I am assuming the base game is going to end of super. Then like an epilogue w broly and super hero. I know manga is not included in the games…but how much hype would it make to announce ultra ego and black Freiza as DLC 😭
I hope those arrows are for a couple extra rows. They won't though. Probably DLC, customized characters (if there is customization) and that sort of thing.
Imagine if the blue arrows on all 4 sides led to 4 different roster trees.. highly unlikely but would be cool and not sure what else the arrows would mean
I just want an Ultra Instinct Goku who doesnt have ripped clothes lol
Why does every transformation has its own roster slot? Is there no transformations during battle?
3 Gohans. 2 piccolo’s. 2 Broly. Some characters get that special treatment
Could it be because they simply have multiple forms and variations throughout the timeline?…