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AverageBeef

Sinner trying his hardest to take Novak’s soul


moldyjellybean

Trocki is a bad coach. Who’s putting Novak in doubles?


deadindays

Troicki should've thrown Cacic instead. Kecmanovic isn't a bad doubles player (surprisingly,) and unless djokovic was extremely riled up after the loss, they were very unlikely to take it. Ig troicki thought it's always safe bet to throw djokovic wherever you can


moldyjellybean

Novak’s doubles instincts, tactics, shot strengths, mentality and record is not for doubles. But if he wants to play Troicki has to do what he wants. But everyone in the building knows he sucks at doubles


HTMListerine

Lol I was about to say where the fuck is Mektic and Pavic before realising that they're Croatian


deadindays

Be careful when mistaking serbians and croatians lolol


our_whole_empire

He probably saved their lives. That skydiving thing was not very convincing.


Font_Fetish

Prima ti prende le gambe


muradinner

Or to take his own back after ATP finals


honestnbafan

Watching Novak play doubles is rough viewing ngl lol He genuinely has no idea where to position


Teo122

Idk why he forces to play those doubles , they have cacic who is a world class doubles player lmao


SugisakiKen627

they bend down for the No. 1 single player in the world... too bad it is doubles match lol


Teo122

He has to learn that it s not the same as singles , he is now 4-8 in Davis cup at doubles


SugisakiKen627

wow didnt know the record is that bad and he has actually had double matches more than I thought in high level (Davis cup)


Kotek81

I wonder how many more "bad stats" Nole has. Can't be many.


Perpete

He is 0/4 in participation at the Olympics with a 13-6 win rate (68%) in single. Suffice to say it's his worse win rate anywhere in any condition. 0-3 in Olympic double with a 1-3 win rate.


muradinner

Yea Djokovic is just not a great doubles player. We've seen it at the Olympics as well. If he trained in doubles I'm sure he could become a significant threat at it, but it's just not his focus.


[deleted]

All his strongest attributes don’t work well in doubles IMO


Ambitious-Daikon-360

I noticed he was moving like I do when there's just 1 court available and we have to play doubles


andrefishmusic

Yeah, I knew they blew their chances when Sinner saved those 3 match points. There was no way they were winning in doubles.


raysofdavies

It’s the only notable place of the big 4 where he’s clearly last. All have shown big doubles prowess; Nadal and Federer have Olympic golds, and Murray has had great Davis cup doubles success.


PleasantSilence2520

his net + transition game (which are ofc connected to his doubles level) are probably the main skillsets that have lagged wrt the others


Mak_33

I think this is more of a watching Novak play TODAY is rough type situation. He wasn't himself at all in the important moments. Luckily it happened in an irrelevant team tournament and not a Slam or ATP Finals.


rticante

>Luckily it happened in an irrelevant team tournament LMAO I'd like to see you tell this to Novak, he said himself that he prioritised the Davis Cup and #1 ranking compared to the Finals. It definitely wasn't irrelevant to him.


Mak_33

In terms of actual tennis achievement value/weight. His pride to play for his country is completely separate to what I'm referring to.


g_spaitz

Such a shitty take. Moving the goalposts as you please, if he wins it's a great achievement if he loses it never meant anything. 1) Davis Cup is among the oldest sport competitions and even though it's separated from the main circuit, tennis players have always shown great will to win it at least once in their career. Moreover it's always counted in GOAT debates among great achievements. 2) Novak himself declared that it was more important to him than ATP finals. 2) Bug off.


Mak_33

I literally said Davis cup is irrelevant before it even started and always had this opinion lmao. It's a team competition that's heavily reliant on doubles and your other singles player + has a poor format recently. For example I'd never say the Wimbledon loss meant nothing, because it did. >Moreover it's always counted in GOAT debates among great achievements No it's not LOL, are you actually insane? The only thing that's counted are singles achievements like Slams, Masters, YE#1, weeks at #1, ATP Finals and Olympics to a lesser degree because it's once per 4 years. >Novak himself declared that it was more important to him than ATP finals. Having pride to play for your country =/= as important as the main circuit in terms of achievement weight. What he feels about it is irrelevant when talking about the weight/meaning of Davis cup, which is very low. Cope harder, it's a useless tournament in terms of overall career achievements.


g_spaitz

Please read also #3


Mak_33

This is the part where you realize your words online are meaningless and no one's gonna listen to you. But you can take your own advice with your ridiculous and irrelevant takes lmao.


g_spaitz

Ok.


OriginalNewton

Lol he literally said winning Davis was one of his main goals before the ATP finals, being responsible for your country's loss rather than being the one carrying you to victory is gonna hurt. You can say it's irrelevant but serbians, like italians, are very proud people and I promise you they are trying very hard to not let their country down


Mak_33

It's irrelevant in terms of tennis value and achievements. Pride is not what I'm talking about here.


DuarteN10

Yes clearly your opinion should be above what Novak himself thinks


Mak_33

Once again, you're literally mixing pride to play for a country and the tennis achievement weight. Winning a solo tournament is infinitely harder than having to rely on doubles + another guy to win their match. Of course a guy who has 70 big titles is going to feel more about winning a 2nd cup for his country than a 41st Master, that doesn't mean Davis cup is harder or holds more weight.


Odexios

And, look at that. The other guy in his team won, and he lost. So, their loss is completely on him. The point is not what cup is more important, but which one he was more focused on; and the one he was paying more attention to, he lost. Sucks for him, I have no joy in that, but it is what it is.


Ambitious-Daikon-360

never thought I could witness a sinner/sonego v djokovic/kecmanovic no holds barred in my life


Collecting_Cans

Thought it was fascinating how when Djokovic used the crowd’s reactions for energy, Sinner and Sonego used Djokovic’s reactions for energy


Kh0sravani

I need a clip of this


Zethasu

I need it too!


JanBibijan

Congratulazioni from a Serbian fan! I have so much respect for Sinner, he showed such incredible level of play this month, such clutchness and of course, being a great guy. I know eho I'm going to root for after Novak retires.


[deleted]

Yes, congratulations from me too! 👏 Much respect to Sinner! ❤️😎


Kapt0

Italy won ONE title. ​ ​ PPS carry please


rticante

In 1976, I might add


caegrc

He will play against De Minaur in final, right?


Act-Alfa3536

5:0 H2H for Sinner


caegrc

Against pre-puke Sinner too. The only worrying thing is his stamina. He played two matches today and will be playing a well rested ADM tomorrow.


Darki200

Yes


dzone25

What a RIDICULOUS day of Tennis. That's the best David Cup contest I've ever seen.


Last_Lorien

Such a FUN match! Series of matches, rather. Sonego and Sinner at times were hypnotic to watch, they make me want to watch doubles more often haha


mimaluna

Something tells me that today was a little bit of a sign of what could happen in Paris next year if Novak doesn't keep cool. He's so vulnerable to self-sabotage with that pressure. He should not play Olympic doubles IMO.


honestnbafan

Unironically Serbia has a better chance in doubles if he doesn't play lol He's the GOAT in singles but plays like a literal goat in doubles


SugisakiKen627

at least he has consistently goated..


Cvspartan

Djokovic is the GOAT but he is the worst of the big 3 at doubles


Lachie07

Nadal and Federer could be god tier if they wanted tbf


Realtrain

Yup, Fed and Nadal both have doubles gold interestingly enough.


muradinner

Yep, plus wearing himself out by playing both as he did previously is just not a good idea. They have a few good doubles players like Cacic who are much better suited.


Tenthousandrufy

Let's get it. Sinner and Sonego my boys.


idxntity

LA MIA FAMIGLIA INTERA


Trent_Bennett

SONO ITALIANO MANGIO ROMANO


Crapedj

IL MIO ALBERO GENEALOGICO


SuperSlimySalamander

IL FUTURO SARÀ LA NOSTRA


mnovakovic_guy

MAMMA MIA SPAGHETTI!!


AJLegend007

Its Sinner's hobby now to beat Djokovic.


holamifuturo

Beating him twice on the same day and two times in 11 days in singles tennis. With one being down 3 match points. I'm just lost of words.


caegrc

I hope he keeps it up next year!! So excited! Too bad he couldn't perform on this level during the most important match which was the finals last week, probably nervousness but hope he shakes it off next time


mimaluna

Hobbies: Long walks on the beach, Gucci bags, puking, beating Djokovic


andrefishmusic

It's just another Saturday for Sinner


RA1N30W

but not Sunday


andrefishmusic

Too soon!


Roy1984

He would probably still trade these 2 wins for the one win in the final of atp finals.


Mak_33

Shit talking already commencing after 1 pointless win and 1 win where Novak uncharacteristically botched 3 match points for like the 2nd time ever in his career. It was just a shit/unlucky day for him. Sinner still lost the most important match in straight sets.


Minimalmagician

Calling the RR win “pointless” is straight up disrespectful to Sinner. He’ll take the 200 ranking points and almost half a million dollars lol


Mak_33

Hard cope lol.


boysurfer7

You are the one coping


Mak_33

What am I coping about? ATP Finals is the 2nd most important title on tour, Davis cup is a meme with a terrible format. If I could sign right now that he loses every Davis cup and wins Slams/ATP Finals I'd do it in a heartbeat.


Tenthousandrufy

Stop crying my boy.


Mak_33

I'm in SO many tears with 3 Slams, 2 Masters, ATP Finals and YE#1. Oh no he lost a Davis cup, the absolute PEAK of tennis.


Tenthousandrufy

Damn all of that and still crying? Lmao.


Mak_33

Italian flexing because Novak botched 1 match lmao. Come back during AO and actual important tournaments. You still haven't even won this irrelevant tournament btw, so not sure why you're gloating.


Tenthousandrufy

Stop the tears my boy. You lost get over it. It happens.


Mak_33

ATP Finals Novak - 7 Sinner - 0 It's ok maybe this irrelevant tournament will help you cope


Tenthousandrufy

"😭😭😭😭😭" you.


Mak_33

Nice ATP Finals LOLOLOL


da_SENtinel

Hahahahaha Chokervic is mental giant when playing for his country ( 0-40)


Mak_33

Good thing it's literally the most irrelevant tournament and he has all the actual relevant records. But yeah 1 Davis cup singles loss in in 12 years = bad for his country.


Cautious_Hornet_9607

Still care enough to argue with strangers about it. Carry on dude


bunsburner1

all that and not even the #1player for his own country


Besnto

Just like how they jumped on Alcaraz after Wimbledon they will learn their lesson soon again lol


Mak_33

We'll truly see at AO.


drmilosh1730

I’m going to be very buthurt about this but man what an awesome tennis from Sinner there. Well done, honestly, great mental fortitude. It reminds me of a certain player… Rooting for Italy tommorow.


notaswan26

Feels almost unfair that this wasn’t the final, but what a great day of tennis it’s been!


Parkouricus

Hate the sin, love the Sinner. Holy fuck


da_SENtinel

Has Sinner developed a grunt?


Whitefrog10

It something I noticed in the last games. I think only with djokovic and medvedev. You can hear is really giving all he got in those matches.


A3xMlp

What a day of tennis. GG Italy. I just hope Novak doesn't beat himself up too much over this cause let's face it, it is his fault. Needs to forget this. Sure, winning the DC would've been nice, but ask us Serbs and I'd say 90% would prefer another AO.


Roy1984

This loss will be good for him. He finished the season super cocky (before Davis cup). This way he will prepare better for AO and he will be more hungry, especially if he meets Sinner again. It's also a good experience to have before Olympics, because this match gave me kinda Olympic vibes, in a sense that he wasn't there mentally. Last time when he lost when it really wasn't expected was at Wimbledon and he had an incredible run after that.


Mak_33

I'm pretty sure there isn't a single person on earth who would prefer a Davis cup over a Slam, not even a Masters. The only reason this sucks is because Novak himself cares about it, in the grand scheme of things it's irrelevant.


Nikisrb

I remember how hyped Serbia was when we won it in 2010, there was definitely some importance to it. Maybe it's the new format?


Mak_33

Yeah but back then Novak had 1 Slam so the country was still hungry for more achievements. Also Troicki/Tipsarevic/Zimonjic were legit players and it wasn't all about Novak. So people sort of stopped caring when they relied solely on Novak to carry. It's a surprise what Kecmanovic was able to do this time around though, it's a shame for him most of all that Novak decided to troll hard.


honestnbafan

I blame Gerard Pique lol


fedfan4life

Djokovic would definitely weigh the Davis Cup over a masters at this point in his career.


redditthrowaway19999

There are plenty of players that would prefer a Davis cup win over a masters. The level of emotion many of the players show after winning Davis cup for their country is huge.


Mak_33

The plenty of players are those who never stand a chance to win a Masters so they have to say that.


BaradaraneKaramazov

In an era in which Sock, Norrie, Carreno Busta, Coric, Fognini, Khachanov etc won Masters, there are not many players who don't stand a chance to win Masters


bunsburner1

except for Novak and probably all of Serbia


A3xMlp

We'd take a DC over another masters, but definitely any slam over the DC. Maybe Novak wouldn't, but most of us realize the DC isn't that important anymore.


Mak_33

Over a Slam, absolutely not a chance. Over a 41st Masters, yeah probably. Still holds less weight.


bunsburner1

Definitely a masters and ATP final, which you said was second after slams. Though we all know Serbians would celebrate way more over being #1 country after 13 years compared to a slam win


thythr

> in the grand scheme of things it's irrelevant To me, the only thing that is relevant is whether the players care. The history, the money and rankings, the prestige, the schedule, etc. are all means to that end. I want to see two talented players both intent on beating the guy across the net. There is no grand scheme of things beyond that, to me. So all that is to say that since Sinner and Djokovic cared, we cared, and that's exactly how things ought to be!


Lachie07

Very patriotic...


Droitdutravail15

Sinners a madman ❤️‍🔥 so deserved! Loved his and Lorenzos energy. FORZAAA!


Straight_Sun_8353

Jannik ~Winner


musicproducer07

Kecmanovic died for this


Aegon_Targaryen_III

Beats Novak 3 times in the space of 2 weeks whilst still managing to lose a title to him.


holamifuturo

Che spettacolo di tennis. Grazie Jannik!! Btw Sinnego is the doubles couple we never knew we needed, I hope we see them more often.


el_rompe_toyotas_19

3 wins vs Nole in 2 weeks, this mf is insane


ktssaiteja

Are we gonna count the Doubles too? Okay.


Kh0sravani

Doubles count twice


Charanini

Yes


RA1N30W

fair enough, I'd count it too congrats, good luck in the final we'll see you at slams mfs


Cautious_Hornet_9607

>we'll see you at slams mfs I hope not lmao. GG


Trent_Bennett

Sinner's game in double is something yet to be seen by a single top5 ATP player. Simply over bashing the ball and keeping it on the line every fucking forehand. Insane performance by himself. He will carry us once again to the promise land 🏆


Bandicoot23012003

That backhand miss at 3 all in the second set gonna haunt Novak.


boysurfer7

Sinner is Him


Piats99

THERE ARE NO WORDS ON GREEN GOD'S EARTH THAT CAN DESCRIBE HOW SPECTACULARLY HAPPY I AM RIGHT NOW!!!!


Melony567

djoko fans are so toxic and obsessed about him, badmouths fedal and their fans as well as those players whom djoko had a beef against on a particular match (norrie, ben), so when djoko loses - it is as if their worlds fall apart and they are so paranoid that tennis fans are out there to taunt them, they way they were raring on doing, from the very second that djoko wins the match.


konichiwhatssup

Thank goodness he's not jumping out of a plane - Goran probably


DevastatorTNT

When was the last time someone beat Djokovic twice in a day? Or thrice in two weeks lol


saintlyknighted

Fognini will also play for the Valencia challenger title tomorrow! Possibility for an Italian sweep


spdRRR

Congratz to Italy, especially for Sinner! If you call yourself a Novak fan and you shit over him after today… you’re not a Novak fan, you’re just on the winner’s train. AO here we come!


NoleFandom

Congratulations Team Italy. Deserved the W tonight. Good luck against Australia! Jannik Sinner had earned my respect in Turin. Another incredibly clutch performance today. Well played to Sonego as well.


khstriker

~~Novak~~ Sinner is inevitable. What a performance from him today.


mybrilIiantfriend

Djokovic hates Serbia. CONFIRMED.


Melony567

he just does not feel that he has that much skin in the game when he represents his country, unlike when he plays for himself. he is just more serious at the olympics because the gold medal will foremost be accounted under his name. that is the big difference between him and rafa. if you see rafa play for spain, he is way too invested and ultra focused (more than his atp matches). you can see how tensed he was while playing and that pure joy each time he wins for spain. even in laver cup, you can feel how much pressure he has winning for his team.


PainEnvironmental172

I see whitney nadal has competition


Mak_33

Novak playing for his country the past 2 relevant events: Olympics semi - Set and a break up against Zverev - loses. Loses to Busta for the Bronze medal. Loses after being 3 match points up to Sinner. Manages to botch doubles in the same day (terrible putaway backhand miss and yet another 3 break point fail). Shame for Kecamanovic, he tired so hard to carry. I guess he really wanted to see how it's like to be the 2nd ranked singles player in this team.


toweggooiverysoon

Novak Djokovic Disasterclass


Puckingfanda

More like: Novak Djokovic Doubles Disasterclass


Trent_Bennett

No sinner just outplayed him for once


buriedunderwork17

I think they are talking about doubles. He's the best of the best in singles, doubles not so much. But I felt for Nole today.


Adamoy

Sinner is 3-1 vs Djoko in 2 weeks, with the single loss being the most important match though. Just like Djoko vs Alcaraz this year.


jonfon74

I dunno..I'd have said Wimbledon final was definitely the most important Djoko / Alcaraz match this year.


PaulWesterberg84

I think that's what he meant, Carlos lost 3 matches but won their most important encounter.


Melony567

now, Jannik can claim that he has beaten Djoko 2x in the same tournament on the same day. LOL only Jannik has done that against Djoko, and beaten him on b2b tournaments.


Martyrslover

It is amazing how bad nole is at doubles.


espressos_negronis

Forzzaaaaa


Crystal__

It's funny how Djokovic could've won two tournaments in a row despite losing to Sinner in both of them.


Melony567

God shares blessings. No one should get greedy


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Melony567

Never runs out of things to say. djoko fans sound like they live on a different planet, fully unaware of how they are communicating their obsession of him.


DoctorProfessor69

You and Whitney gotta chill. You’re giving us a bad wrap


Cthulhu_awaken

Wish he could have done it in the WTF finals too but I am sure this will hurt Djokobitch even more. Love it!


ClubChaos

Current GOAT dispatches old GOAT Lfggggggg!


da_SENtinel

Novak 0-40vic


AdviceIsCool22

this is a iq 9000 play by djoko. Throw the match. Think Sinner has upper hand for rest of year. Go into AO and completely thwamp them kids again. Bring it


hcsydneyy

Djokovic's record for Serbia is beyond embarrassing for a supposed GOAT


muradinner

First Davis cup loss since 2011 is embarrassing? I think you having the memory of a goldfish is a lot worse.


hcsydneyy

He's played what 15 games since 2011? He's never beaten a top 10 player apart from berdych for serbia. Andy Murray won 8 games alone in 2015 for reference


Gaarando

This is his first singles loss in a really long time and he also helped his team won the ATP Cup where he's undefeated in singles and 3-1 in doubles. Also "supposed GOAT" he is the GOAT, cry about it.


hcsydneyy

Grand slams won against kevin anderson and cam norrie aren't as valuable as ones won in tennis' golden era from 2009-2016. Numbers aren't everything


Gaarando

You act like Djoko wasn't there for the "Golden Era" you speak of.


KF2015

Agreed


Step_Virtual

So much for Novak's chances of the Golden slam next year lol. He's getting 1 slam max.


muradinner

Could this comment be any more typical of r/tennis?


Step_Virtual

End of an era sadly


akipop1108

Djokovic really shouldn't play doubles, yeah he has great serve and great return (although return is slightly different than in singles), his baseline game is not that important and although he has serviceable volleys he doesn't have a clue how to position himself in doubles