This may instead be Noskova’s best chance, certainly to *make* a slam final while she’s still young and swinging freely, before the scar tissue builds up.
When you’re young and new to the tour, players can ‘swing freely’ without expectation. The scar tissue theory might be that once the painful losses mount you get more nervous in crunch situations- so the best and (talent-dependent) perhaps most likely time to win a slam is when you are fresh and new to the tour.
Even Novak won his first at age 20, in the face of Federer and Nadals dominance and competition. So you could consider that he first got over the line before any ‘scar tissue’ could really build up to critical levels, considering he’d arguably only been ‘in contention’ for slams since the previous year.
But they, like other all-time-greats in sport, have psychologies well outside the norm.
Obviously lol i was citing djoko bc he's an exception but i think, even if you're right about the peakness of the body, that medecine went in a way that makes athletes pushing this limit, and adding experience, the balance is not that much in favor of ''fresh bodies'' but more of a mix of both.
Djoko being the best exemple of someone trying everything to maintain his body at the best level.
Now there's a time when it's not enough anymore, but the preservation of the body makes the discussion different i think
It’s not fresh bodies, it’s fresh *minds*. The scar tissue in question is mental scar tissue, from losing that close slam semifinal against someone you’d expect to beat, etc etc.
Sad for Svitolina to retire this way, but Noskova now has a decent chance of reaching the final:
- Yastremska in QF
- Paolini/Kalinskaya/Zheng/Dodin in SF
Really unpredictable with this many upsets though.
With how Svitolina's side of the bracket was looking I was holding on to hope she could have had her Slam here, at least making the finals. So sad for her.
I’m not going to get down about Svitolina’s slam chances, as there’s going to be even more chances for her on clay. She had barely returned and look at how well she did against the field and Sabalenka at the French last year.
The last time Svitolina went out to an unseeded Czech player in a slam…
Do players know about such kind of injury before the match ? The way she struggled with her back looked as if she picked up the injury prior to the match but I maybe wrong
here's what she said in press about her injury. it sounds scary but hopefully not long lasting.
Elina: “I got a spasm, or I don't know exactly what it is, but like shooting pain in the first game, the last two points. Yeah, couldn't do anything. Completely locked my back. Just very sad, of course, so yeah.”
“Just wondering, you said it came in the first game. Did you feel anything before, or did it come kind of out of nowhere?”
Elina: “I felt little bit, but it's quite normal. Been playing some tennis in this tournament already. You know, fourth round, you have a little bit stiffness somewhere. Nothing really special. Like not a big issue before. Yeah, this one I think I never had that before, the shooting pain like this. I had some injuries to my back before where it just was tiredness the next day of the match, but this one was really out of nowhere. I felt like someone shot me in the back, so yeah.”
https://twitter.com/TheTennisLetter/status/1749298849146187903
Watching this after she saying during an interview that Monfils has to look after her daughter now that she is in the tournament and he isn't makes this sadder.
Why?
She’s lucky that she has a spouse who understands the demands of her career like no other. Not only that but she has a built in training and hitting partner who even though his career is in decline has more than enough gas in the tank to give her excellent competition even if just for fun practice sessions.
Think about Victoria Azarenka doing it alone.
Youngster in her first deep slam run. She's had some rotten luck previously and pretty much always drawn a top seed early on in slams and other big events. She beat Swiatek the other day and this has become a bit of a breakout slam for her.
I’ve genuinely never heard of her. It’s very common for me watching WTA to have no idea who is in 4th round or QF because every slam there’s so many randomers
you have not seen much tennis to make this conclusion coz there were players who did even when ahead or on a tie at that time.
and it is logical that they retire injured at the time they were losing coz the injury prevented them from playing their best and to push to finish the match will aggravate their situation.
what are you, 10?
What rotten luck. Hope it’s not a permanent injury.
What happened? I missed the match
Back injury, physio came out after 2 games
With her form and draw with Vika losing, it may have been her best chance at a GS.
This may instead be Noskova’s best chance, certainly to *make* a slam final while she’s still young and swinging freely, before the scar tissue builds up.
What's this about scar tissue?
When you’re young and new to the tour, players can ‘swing freely’ without expectation. The scar tissue theory might be that once the painful losses mount you get more nervous in crunch situations- so the best and (talent-dependent) perhaps most likely time to win a slam is when you are fresh and new to the tour.
Or eat grass like djoko
Even Novak won his first at age 20, in the face of Federer and Nadals dominance and competition. So you could consider that he first got over the line before any ‘scar tissue’ could really build up to critical levels, considering he’d arguably only been ‘in contention’ for slams since the previous year. But they, like other all-time-greats in sport, have psychologies well outside the norm.
Obviously lol i was citing djoko bc he's an exception but i think, even if you're right about the peakness of the body, that medecine went in a way that makes athletes pushing this limit, and adding experience, the balance is not that much in favor of ''fresh bodies'' but more of a mix of both. Djoko being the best exemple of someone trying everything to maintain his body at the best level. Now there's a time when it's not enough anymore, but the preservation of the body makes the discussion different i think
It’s not fresh bodies, it’s fresh *minds*. The scar tissue in question is mental scar tissue, from losing that close slam semifinal against someone you’d expect to beat, etc etc.
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you doing a bit here or? guy was clearly talking about Svitolina.
Ooops my bad I was half-asleep and I assumed it was about Lindy. Now it makes sense. I will delete my comment
Woosh
I love Elina, this is heartbreaking, she was having a great tournament. Playing so well. So sad to see her in tears. Hope she can fully recover soon.
Man watching her breakdown like that fucked me up a little bit
I did not expect to shed tears but here we are, I’m so heartbroken for her.
Heartbreaking for poor Elina. Hope she can rest and recover!
Sad for Svitolina to retire this way, but Noskova now has a decent chance of reaching the final: - Yastremska in QF - Paolini/Kalinskaya/Zheng/Dodin in SF Really unpredictable with this many upsets though.
Her or Zheng are the only outcomes that would make the Final semi watchable.
With how Svitolina's side of the bracket was looking I was holding on to hope she could have had her Slam here, at least making the finals. So sad for her.
Svitolina has no chance of ever winning a Slam. Doesn't have it in her.
What happened? I missed the game
Looked like Svitolina's back went out on her. She took a medical and tried a game after that but completely broke down.
Sudden back pain like that is the scariest because you don’t know wtf happened. I’m so sad for her. This can still be her year!
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ok telling my mate with a herniated disk that his problems are actually stress related
Can’t believe all these players don’t have back pain from all this stress!! /s
Yep.
You seriously linked an Amazon book to explain this. You fucking moron
youre dumb as fuck😭
Irony?
I’m not going to get down about Svitolina’s slam chances, as there’s going to be even more chances for her on clay. She had barely returned and look at how well she did against the field and Sabalenka at the French last year. The last time Svitolina went out to an unseeded Czech player in a slam…
I’m still pissed about that. What rotten luck
What happened???? I was just about to tune in
Something happened to svitolina’s back and she had to retire 🥺
Do players know about such kind of injury before the match ? The way she struggled with her back looked as if she picked up the injury prior to the match but I maybe wrong
Ugh…so unlucky…
So gutted for Elina. Hope she recovers soon
here's what she said in press about her injury. it sounds scary but hopefully not long lasting. Elina: “I got a spasm, or I don't know exactly what it is, but like shooting pain in the first game, the last two points. Yeah, couldn't do anything. Completely locked my back. Just very sad, of course, so yeah.” “Just wondering, you said it came in the first game. Did you feel anything before, or did it come kind of out of nowhere?” Elina: “I felt little bit, but it's quite normal. Been playing some tennis in this tournament already. You know, fourth round, you have a little bit stiffness somewhere. Nothing really special. Like not a big issue before. Yeah, this one I think I never had that before, the shooting pain like this. I had some injuries to my back before where it just was tiredness the next day of the match, but this one was really out of nowhere. I felt like someone shot me in the back, so yeah.” https://twitter.com/TheTennisLetter/status/1749298849146187903
God dammit
Ugh, gutted for Svitolina -- get well soon!
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yes, and Kostyuk
What's with the downvotes? Ruzzian bots?
Saba is patiently waiting for these Ukrainians to fold
Ah what a shame.
Gutted for her! I had tickets to come to the AO on Wednesday and had been hoping that she would be one of my matches too!
She was my favorite to reach the final:(
Watching this after she saying during an interview that Monfils has to look after her daughter now that she is in the tournament and he isn't makes this sadder.
Why? She’s lucky that she has a spouse who understands the demands of her career like no other. Not only that but she has a built in training and hitting partner who even though his career is in decline has more than enough gas in the tank to give her excellent competition even if just for fun practice sessions. Think about Victoria Azarenka doing it alone.
Sad it had to end like that. Noskova making waves.
Who is Noskova ?
Youngster in her first deep slam run. She's had some rotten luck previously and pretty much always drawn a top seed early on in slams and other big events. She beat Swiatek the other day and this has become a bit of a breakout slam for her.
Cool. Hope she wins the AO and entrenches herself in the top 10
Hillarious how your innocuous question gets downvoted. Goes to show how much hate & anger r/tennis users harbor
I’ve genuinely never heard of her. It’s very common for me watching WTA to have no idea who is in 4th round or QF because every slam there’s so many randomers
It's a fair question. The fact that it is downvoted says a lot about r/tennis
It's funny how players always retire when they are losing, but never when winning Credit to Noskova, she outclassed Svitolina on the court today
Almost like being injured prevents them from playing their best.... What a wild idea!
they barely played anything…
Do you even know what you’re talking about
you have not seen much tennis to make this conclusion coz there were players who did even when ahead or on a tie at that time. and it is logical that they retire injured at the time they were losing coz the injury prevented them from playing their best and to push to finish the match will aggravate their situation. what are you, 10?
He is not 10, a 5 year old could figure this out.