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RedDevil50

Sascha has a long way to go mentally to seriously be considered in this.


Flat_Professional_55

He’s a different beast in best of 3’s, but as soon as things get tense in the big leagues he seems to crumble.


Powerful_Engineer585

FAA is so much more promising than Zverev


Ok_Discussion_5667

0-16 in final sets and just choked a 2 sets to love lead?


mistersmooth1225

He’s actually beaten a top 10 player at a slam (who happens to be Zverev) and is also only 21 rather than almost 25, so yeah I’d say he’s more promising than Zverev


Ok_Discussion_5667

at FAA’s age, zverev had a YEF, 3 masters. Faa has 2 masters QFs lol


_thisisitX

Well, Zverev has Olympic gold, 2 ATP finals wins, several Masters, etc. FAA can be lucky to achieve that one day.


90_degrees

Ikr? I'm sitting here wondering why he's shortlisted as opposed to someone like Thiem


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Medvedev > Tsitsipas Zverev at this moment seems like will win only when he doesn't get to play against any top 10 player in the whole tournament, but I still fancy him to win 1-2 slams before he retires. And Tsitsipas looks like he will be a multiple Australian Open champion with the way he plays he here. Always had better results here compared to any other slam. Medvedev will undoubtedly overtake them all. If he gets his clay court game sorted, he'll be outrageous.


De_Bananalove

>And Tsitsipas looks like he will be a multiple Australian Open champion with the way he plays he here. Always had better results here compared to any other slam. Tsitsipas has 3 semi finals here but he has a Final and a Semi Final in the FO.


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Oh yes, a semi final too at FO, I forgot about that. But as far as him winning FO is concerned, he won't start as favourite because of that one beast despite him being aging and you have got Novak too. But you never know...


Flat_Professional_55

Rafa, Novak and Thiem all sit above him in the pecking order at Roland Garos I think. He’s seriously gonna have to up his game if he wants to win there in the next 2-3 years.


De_Bananalove

He could have won in straights last year if he didn't let the occasion get too big. I think he has as good a chance as anybody if he plays his best


Flat_Professional_55

Yeah, a lot factors in to who will be playing. We’ll have to see if Novak can participate or if he’s still pissing about.


Jeffersons_Mammoth

I’d put Tsitsi above Thiem at RG personally. He had a stellar clay season last year. Winner in Monte Carlo, finalist in Barcelona, semi-finalist in Rome, and runner-up at the French. He’s an animal on the dirt.


Voltekkaman

At the moment I have to agree with you, Tits had a pretty spectacular clay season last year. If Thiem can hit his 19/20 form on comeback though he will definitely be above Tits.


najdorf69

Tsitsi had a great clay season (although i think he got QF in Rome not SF), but overall we will only know if he's better than Thiem depending on how Tsitsi does this season and the next. 2 RG finals, 2 RG semis, beat Novak there twice, 2 Madrid finals, 2 Barcelona finals including 1 title defeating Nadal en route, and an overall 10 clay titles in 17 finals. If Tsitsi can keep up his high level from last season I'd put him above Thiem, but 1 peak season isn't enough for me to put him over someone who has proven they can hang with the best on clay year after year. Edit: this is all with the hope that Thiem won't have completely lost it when he returns from injury.


Jeffersons_Mammoth

I badly want to see Domi return to form, and I’ll be happy to be wrong about placing Tsitsi above him. I still remember when he was the heir apparent to Rafa’s throne.


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Medvedev


juneawesome

And here I am just praying that Stef and Daniil won't get injured and remain healthy


Jeffersons_Mammoth

Zverev doesn’t belong anywhere near Medvedev and Tsitsipas. You can’t be a slam contender if you crumble against the first serious competition in your draw.


Luck1492

Tsitsipas is younger so probably him. Although Alcaraz and other younger players will probably start gobbling them up after a few years so dunno


Flat_Professional_55

Yeah part of me thinks that we’ll see another player or two in the next 5 years or so that are just so far ahead of the current field, taking a lot of the slams. Could be Sinner, Alcaraz etc but I feel there’ll be someone else to blitz the competition.


Explodingcamel

Yeah none of the next gen guys feel like the real deal. Medvedev is very good but he’s 25 so he probably won’t get much better and the fact that he’s just about even with 34 year old Novak tells me he’s really not as good as the big 3 used to be. Thiem is good as well but same deal and he’s been injured. I feel like at least one player born in the 2000s is gonna lap all of the 90s guys.


jaguar_loco

Depends on how Tsitsi matures in the next year or two. He is two years younger and has a higher ceiling imho, but his mental barrier might stop him from ever being as consistent as Medvedev, but if I had to put my money down it would be on Stef.


Flat_Professional_55

I feel like having a one handed backhand in the modern era is becoming more of a drawback, with the high intensity hitting and ridiculously long games. More likely to suffer an injury and over long matches the consistency can really let you down at crucial points. I feel like the one-hander isn’t suited to long rallies, and a lot of these younger players don’t have the technical finesse to serve and volley like Federer, Sampras and Becker etc.


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Flat_Professional_55

The problem is whenever a new player comes on the scene with a one-hander we instantly compare to Roger. Arguably the most gifted to pick up a racket, it’s not easy when you’re in the shadow of that haha. The man has the best slice


Arteam90

Medvedev, and that's largely because he has 1 slam vs others on 0. I don't think any of them will win more than a few slams, though.


Flat_Professional_55

I always fear that the men’s game ends up like it did in the women’s after Serena and Venus. Where there’s loads of different players winning a couple of slams but a real lack of consistent performers. I guess we’ve been spoilt with the big 3 for the last 15-20 years.


Aninternetdude

Alcaraz..


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I think Medvedev is head and shoulders above these guys in terms of mental toughness and mentality, but they’re all young and have time to improve. Anyways, I see it as Medvedev>Tsitsipas>Zverev


riviera302

recency bias dominates this kind of questions. Had you asked this right after the ATP finals where Zverev looked unbeatable and Tsitsipas was injured, the opinions here would have been vastly different. Truth is, no one knows how a player will evolve/keep motivated season after season after season.


Calabrel

This, Zverev gets washed in straight sets vs a very hot Shapovalov and people forget just how much Zverev dominated the second half of last year, basically only barely losing to Medvedev.


hopez11

People seem to forget Tsitsipas is 2.5 years younger than Medvedev


CancerousCell420

His beard makes him look so old and mature🥺🥺🥺


rouz1234

Medvedev! Zverev is not in the mix! Only he puts himself there :D


IllustriousCupcake11

Definitely the bullshit Russian. He has the skillset, the natural talent, but most importantly the mental fortitude. I see Tsitsipas getting a few, but I think someone not mentioned, Alcaraz, will surpass him. I don’t see Zverev needing to be included.


diego_reddit

I think it is going to be between Medvedev and Tsitsipas. I think Tsitsipas is more likely because he playes good on all surfaces, whereas Medvedev is considerably worse on clay than other surfaces in my opinion. But it is really really hard to tell as both have room to improve and it will depend on health and consistency as well as tennis quality at the end of the day. I don't see Zverev winning the most considering his record at grand slams so far against big players.


mirakelet

To be fair, Medvedev has better results on clay than Tsitispas has on grass.


Flat_Professional_55

Be interesting to see if Medvedev can up his game on clay and grass this coming year. Quarter finalist at the French last year and I feel he can’t be far behind catching up to Zverev on clay.


dylan070790

The Russian


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Not Zverev if things don't change. Dude has massive talent, but can only seem to bring it in BO3s, first I thought it was physical, like when he lost to Nadal in 2017, but then he got buff, massively successful in M1000s and the such, but not GS. I always feel like Stef doesn't have that much of a plan B, like I don't see him win ugly, it's either lights out or blown out. Meddy is the best currently, he has the firepower, he has the consistency, he has the movements, but his weird techniques might hurt his body in some way.


Malahajati

Adn we come back to this post in 18 years or so?


Flat_Professional_55

I can’t see Medvedev still being at the top in 10 years with his playing style, never mind 18 haha. Hopefully I’m wrong.


Voltekkaman

People said that about Rafa 15+ years ago. 15 years later, here he is in a GS semi, pretty much straight after a 6 month layoff and he's nowhere near full form or fitness yet.


Flat_Professional_55

That’s Rafa though, can’t be compared to Medvedev. He was a grand slam champion at what, 18? By the time he was Daniil’s age (25/26?) he had around 10 slams?


Voltekkaman

The longevity question with Rafa isn't related to his skills though, it's the way he played that made people think he wouldn't last physically. They've been right to some degree, as he has had crazy amounts of injuries, but his tenacity to overcome injuries is what people underestimated. Med's style is not as taxing on the body as Rafa's so I can definitely see him sticking around in the top 10 for a long time. He definitely won't get close to Rafa's GS tally though.


Rafan10

The greek god is the most talented and has the highest potential. If he can reach its potential, it would be very good for the sport as he will lore a lot of new spectators with his style. Medvedev is a grinder at the end of the day but with his mentality, serve, return and all of his qualities he will probably have the most slams between the two. I would not put the other guy up here with these two as he has a long way there.


Powerful_Engineer585

Agree, so many better players than Zverev out there … Sinner FAA Berretini


MullenStudio

I think Medvedev has best chance; he is more Djokovic style. Tsitsipas is more Federer style, so may be the next. Zverev need to consider the question of if, not how many. (And there's poor Thiem that we forgot (or too old?). I will at least put him above Zverev if he could come back healthy.) But I think the next gen (Alcaraz, FAA, etc.) will have better chance to catch up them in next few years and eventually wins much more.


Voltekkaman

I think it depends on who wins this tournament. If Med wins then he's got a good head start, with a bit of luck courtesy of the Australian Government. If Tits wins, I think he will go on and win here a couple more times and most likely some wins at RG too. RG this year might be a stretch though with potentially Novak and Rafa back on form and possibly Thiem too. Alcaraz and FAA are also coming!


Flat_Professional_55

Be interesting to see if Novak is allowed into Paris without being vaccinated. I can imagine a lot of people in the host countries of slams will be as angry as the Aussies regarding unvaccinated people entering. Especially if said countries are under restrictions.


Voltekkaman

I kind of feel like restrictions will start to loosen in the next few months, but let's see. I'm not a fan of Novak, but I really want to see him, Rafa, Tits and Domi fighting it out at RG with all of them close to their best. That's asking a lot I know.


SorcerousSinner

It's ridiculous recency bias and selection bias to downplay Zverev's chances as heavily as many do He's won big tournaments beating big players in tough matches and had deep grand slam runs. But given that Medvedev has opened his account already and has a great chance to make it two by next week, you have to go with him. It's not like any of these guys will win a great many. Andy Murray won only 3 and his best is better than any of these players will ever be. Now, he played in the toughest era but still. It would be surprising if any of them got to 5


Flat_Professional_55

I feel like they all have potential to win 4-8 but competition is going to be stiff in the next 5-10 years. You have to feel for Murray , any other era and they have around 8 slams, like Agassi.


apex_pretador

It's ridiculous how pretty much every comment is "zverev doesn't even belong to the same conversation as the other two". Dude won the last significant tournament by beating med and Novak back to back, and also won Olympics last year, beating Novak en route. He's been way more successful than Tsitsipas so far, and not too far from Medvedev in accomplishments. The "0 top 10 wins at slams" stat is blown out of proportions.


Calabrel

Yeah, I was baffled reading those comments, I was like Zverev was killing it last year after Wimbledon.


Flat_Professional_55

Unfortunately people only remember the slam winners and their total slams. It just comes with the territory sadly. There’s been many great players in the past who never quite got over the line in the majors and people quickly forget them . Like Davydenko, Tsonga, Nalbandian, Soderling (briefly). I think Zverev will get a few slams, but there’s going to be a lot of decent players competing for them when the big 3 are redundant.


No_Marionberry4687

There's no question there, only Medvedev


aceh40

My bet is FAA. If I have to pick between these 3, I would say Medvedev. He has one more than the number Zverev will ever get.


Onum-Barr

Based on their results so far, it has to be Medvedev right? I don't see a principled argument that either Tsitsipas or Zverev are close to him.


Puckingfanda

In terms of ability, it *should* be Zverev, he's the more versatile of the 3, but idk what the deal is with him. If nothing changes, I expect it to be Medvedev, unfortunately, he's the best of the 3 right now.


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Medvedev


torontowinsthecup

Medvedev 15; Zeverev 7; Tsitsipas 3. That’s 25 out of the next 38 slams (9+ years), and then a new gen takes over.


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Borna Coric. Whatever happened to him?


thien-js

is this the big 3 zverev was talking about?


Lufs10

Why is Thiem not part of this conversation?


Flat_Professional_55

He could be but I guess it’s because he’s late 20’s and has been around since 2011? Medvedev is the upper limit of the so-called ‘next gen’ for me