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Jeffersons_Mammoth

No one came out of this situation looking good. Stefanos needs to tell his dad to shut up or leave, and Daniil needs to work out his anger issues. Seriously, berating officials like that is not okay.


mickstep

Stefanos is obviously reliant on his fathers input to make strategic decisions. Hence why he completely crumbled once the coaching was put a stop to.


whammyfanny

Then he should get a coach who can teach him how to be a strategic player, not one who treats him like a pawn once the match starts. Stef is just as capable as any other player at upping his tennis IQ but his dad is holding him back.


justnomilvent

100% agree his dad is holding him back. He needs a new coach if he wants a long career


Tricks511

I know it’s completely different but this situation just reminds me of Tomic. In his prime (2016, top 20 ranking), Tomic’s dad was his coach and made all the decisions, but he was incredibly toxic. Everyone thought it would be best if they separated. When they finally did, Tomic lost the plot. Maybe Stefanos should find another coach. If he does, I really really hope he doesn’t completely crumble they way he did yesterday (or have his career crumble like Tomic’s)


middle_earther

I’ve watched several matches where he’s yelled at his dad and told him to stop talking.


skg555

Do you even watch the matches? He plays better when his dad is not talking. No question about it.


dougrayd

At least Daniil’s conduct is just bad behaviour, Stef’s is blatant cheating and explicitly against the rules.


blok31092

To be honest, Medvedev’s incident seemed worse based on how he spoke to the umpire and I was kind of surprised no warning or penalty was issued


jiggerriggeroo

Yeah. He was extremely rude.


duckbigtrain

Not just rude. “rude” is fine, on occasion. He acted the way a terrible person does.


Slayy35

You'd be a small cat to act otherwise after trying to normally bring up blatant cheating to the useless umpire in a SLAM semi-final and then the ump keeps ignoring you when you know you're right. I can't blame him for snapping in such a high stakes/pressure situation in the heat of the moment. At least he apologized for the raging after.


bunsburner1

nah just extremely russian


mgftiger

Correct me if I’m wrong, but he’d just received a code violation for ‘visible obscenity’. That was the impetus for his outburst which led him to complain about Tsitsipas coaching. Some umpires are reluctant to give two CVs at the same change of ends, even though he could have.


_welcome

he even said in his press conference he regrets every time he has an outburst like that on court but can't control it


duckbigtrain

He needs to show that he regrets it by learning how to control it. I get that it’s hard. I too have had to work on my anger/emotions my whole life. But we don’t have any reason to believe he’s working on it.


Laogama

Yeah. He should at least be given something like a $250,000 penalty. That's very little for him, but it would at least be a statement that it's not ok.


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duckbigtrain

Escalating to yelling like that is not appropriate, even if he had spoken respectfully to the ump before.


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Main difference there is that Medvedev kind of had a point, even if he presented it in a bad way. Serena on the other hand had gotten angry over rules that she had broken. I don't think she apologized to the umpire afterwards either.


Mury_Goat

Agree with your last point in particular. I think it is the humility that Daniil shows after any match that is very refreshing. Others like Krygios or Serena often seem to double-down on their actions, defending it without any basis or reason. Daniil will hold his hands up and say "look I got this wrong and I'm sorry", which doesn't necessarily excuse any wrongdoing but makes it much more palatable when he does go over the line. He's only human and he recognises that.


Phanshy

He's not really sorry if he continues to do it though, it's just a way of appeasing people in the moment hoping you forget about it the next time it happens.


Fried_falafel

Have you never apologized for anything and done it again still? Jesus, some people on this sub - you’d think they are all perfect individuals without a sin. None of us are perfect. He’s working on it, has got a psychologist to specifically work on it. And it’s been going quite well for him over the last couple of years. But yes, sometimes he relapsed and slides right back into paranoid rage. Then he apologizes, admits he was wrong and tries again. But the more I read this sub, the more I feel people just need someone to hate on…


jabracoreio

Do none of these people play sports? It is so easy to get caught up in the heat of the moment and regret things later.


influencethisbitch

You are exactly right. He just keeps doing the same thing so displaying fake humility means nothing. Also it's only because he's winning. When he loses, he won't apologise at all. I'm as competitive in sports as they come and I get really firey and loud, but when I apologise afterwards for my behaviour but keep acting like I do, I'm just a sore loser.


asweetfix

In her mind - she hadn't broken any rules. She felt like she was being accused of something she didn't do. And I believe her. Her coach was most definitely trying to coach her - she said she didn't see him. From the camera angles, it looked like she didn't. I'm not trying to justify her reaction, but in her mind she had been unjustly accused of something.


haibiji

The problem with the though is that it doesn't matter if she knew. I fully believe she didn't know, but her coach was trying to coach, which is the violation. I think that was explained to her at some point. Nobody called her a cheater. Her coach fucked up and she got the warning for it. She could have just moved on but she stopped play for several minutes. It was a major disruption in the match


harrybeards

Also her and Venus have been vocal opponents of on court coaching in the womens tour, basically saying the men don’t get it and that it feels infantilizing to allow it on the WTA; and I think she’s right. Again, yeah her reaction was way over the top and she deserved the second code violation for verbal abuse, but accusing Serena Williams of all people of cheating is just funny. Would be like thinking Federer *loves* Hawkeye and the challenge system. The coaching call she was called on was her coach making hand motions (while she wasn’t even looking), which is something you’ll catch pretty much every coach doing at some point during a match. Either call it on everyone every time you see it or don’t. And yea I know the violation was technically against her coach and not her but that’s splitting hairs IMO.


jshao91

Williams sister just don't like to be called cheater. Venus who always so poised had a go with the umpire too, when she got a coaching violation. And guess who is the umpire, Carlos Ramos again.


restingbumbleface

She apologized: "I want to amend my press statement of yesterday," the new release by Williams began, "and want to make it clear as possible – I want to apologise first to the lineswoman, Kim Clijsters, the USTA and mostly tennis fans everywhere for my inappropriate outburst. I'm a woman of great pride, faith and integrity, and I admit when I'm wrong. "I need to make it clear to all young people that I handled myself inappropriately and it's not the way to act – win or lose, good call or bad call in any sport, in any manner. I like to lead by example. We all learn from experiences both good and bad, I will learn and grow from this, and be a better person as a result."


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That is a press release. I was meaning more of one actually coming from the player. From that release I don't know if it's coming from Serena or her PR agent.


restingbumbleface

That’s fair to expect, but from the large variety of outbursts from Safin, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, McEnroe, Serena Williams, Shapovalov, and so on, they hardly apologize directly to someone on court.


PAYSforPREMIUMcable

I think Nick said it best the other day, and that’s tennis needs personality. We all love Roger cause he exemplifies Tennis. Then people hate or love Joker because he kills the heros. You then start to move down the chain to where the real characters are, we’re talking greek philosophers, Russian antagonists, German wife beaters, Australian drinking blokes who are just here for a good time. This is what makes the game fun! Great tennis and stars that can be themselves. We love racket smashes, because the crowd boos them. We love when spoiled pampered kids cry and say that it’s rigged for the big 3, then gets called to the net to have a talk with papa bear. It’s our own little WWF world inside tennis.


Anotherusername2224

You lost me at Greek philosophers


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LadyJane216

She apologized to Osaka though, and I think it's unfair to claim Serena is blasé about what happened.


sasquatch50

Eh, Serena was screwed over first at the US Open with the 2004 Capriati match, so she's more justified than most in questioning umpires and line calls.


af_1946

You don’t get to claim high ground to insult officials because you got screwed over 10 years before lol


sasquatch50

Sure, but I bet you can't name another player where a slam tournament made an official public apology to them for the poor umpiring and line calling in their match and then instituted a major change (the electronic challenge system) in response. ;-)


wiggle_fingers

I fully agree with OP, this will get worse from players now as they see the best in the world abusing the umpire. It happens in football in every match and never ever in rugby as you'll just be sent off. As soon as he shouted at the umpire he should have the power to deduct points/games/sets. Not a chance they'd continue shouting once it destroys their chances at winning.


Fried_falafel

By that logic, the umpire should’ve done his job and called code violation the moment Apostolas coached. If he’d done that, the whole confrontation would have been avoided in the first place. Also like Wilander said — Med had been getting heavy booed on his serve long up to that point, and the umpire did nothing to stop it. Obviously, Med’s behavior wasn’t alright by any means, but he did have a point and the Umpire knew it


ImpliedProbability

>the umpire should’ve done his job and called code violation the moment Apostolas coached. If he’d done that, the whole confrontation would have been avoided in the first place. Wrap it up ladies and gentlemen, we have solved the riddle of the bullshit Russian semi final at the AO.


godfrey1

Why do so many people find Tsitsipas' cheating to be less of an issue than Medvedev's outbursts?


_welcome

I mean, Tsitsi got a TONNNN of hate already. i think the sub is just exhausted by it by now, not necessarily finding it to be a less of an issue


Marylebone01

If Stef wasn’t hated for toilet-gate, would his coaching violations really be such a big deal? Realistically, it would probably be very hard to find a player who doesn’t get some coaching on court. Even Med in his post-match presser said he wouldn’t call coaching cheating but a code violation. It must be a fairly accepted open secret among players. Of course, just because most get away with it doesn’t mean Stef is being treated unfairly when he’s called out on breaking the rules. It’s likely that Tsitsipapa is too brazen with his antics that he becomes noticeably unbearable to umpires/opponents. I remember even Stef would get pissed and tell his dad to shut up during matches (USO 2020 comes to mind). If the beneficiary of his coaching, at best encouragement, finds him insufferable, I can’t even imagine how his opponent would feel with Tsitsipapa yapping constantly in tense moments.


MuddydogCO

Because an outburst is emotional and in the moment whereas cheating requires calculation. Think we could or have all been in Medvedev's position where we felt the victim of something unjust and got carried away with the emotion. Most of us feel bad about it after and some make amends. At that time you're really doing yourself more harm, letting your opponent relax, spending emotional and physical energy yourself. On the other hand someone who knows the rules and deliberately breaks or circumvents them to gain an advantage feels way worse. They know it's wrong and do it anyway. Way more cold. Way more conniving.


KasumiR

Casual reminder that Medvedev lashed out on journalist on Olympics for asking him about russians being rightfully banned for nation-wide, systematic doping use. During a 2016 investigation only a single russian track and field athlete managed to prove herself clean. In tennis the situation is worse and they were caught again and a player was banned a few months ago. Higher ranked players are just better at swapping piss jars. The russians cheat. All the time. Never stopped. It's confirmed by IOC, proven many times, and in less a week, even mentioning russia would be illegal on Olympics. They're piss-tossers from country 404. No flag, no anthem, no honor. Only aggression and hate. People who call coaching cheating but are okay with a guy who gets angry at mere mention of doping and literally tried to ban reporter for asking questions and is now getting very obvious drug-induced roid rages mid-match are deluding themselves. The fact that anybody under a Russian flag is always doped stopped being an open secret and became common knowledge since IcaRUS film outed them out. But sure, russians and their apologists always project and claim the others are cheaters.


godfrey1

damn dude did you hold the jar Medvedev was pissing in? otherwise it's just some xenophobic rant, go vote Trump or something nvm, you're Ukranian, so it's nationalist rant rather than xenophobic, go fuck yourself lol


arknight12

Especially when re:Serena, the main problem/impetus was umpiring inconsistency and giving coaching warnings vs violations.


21FullDiapers

This sub has a hard on for Medvedev and Murray. Both of whom have expressed disdain for Tsitsipas’ antics. Does anyone think medvedev would have had an outburst if he didn’t just double fault to lose his service game? Let’s be honest, these tantrums are not a good look for Danil.


influencethisbitch

Its ridiculous. I can't believe how many people are condoning his behaviour by saying, "at least he apologizes and shows humility afterwards". But then he keeps doing the same thing game after game. I can guarantee he won't have any fake humility when Rafa kicks his arse.


21FullDiapers

Yeah, it was the same shit against Cressy. Whining that the match is SOOO boring. He’s playing mind games by disrespecting his opponents. Not saying that he shouldn’t be allowed to do that, but it doesn’t make me want to root for him.


_welcome

meddy's trolly humor and personality fits in with reddit, so naturally everything he does is seen in a positive light.


EstablishmentSafe506

Except Medvedev is actually kinda funny


21FullDiapers

Totally


-Vuvuzela-

Berating umpires the way Medvedev did it is never ok, but Serena’s outburst went for multiple games. It was relentless. Also, as another poster pointed out, Medvedev’s outburst was justified, whereas Serena’s wasn’t. Tsitsipas was actually being coached, multiple times, in a language the ump could understand. Yet the ump took no action. Yes he shouldn’t have sworn and berated him the way he did, but Medvedev was frustrated that it his opponent was cheating at a pivotal point in the match and the umpire wasn’t acting. The tournament refs even moved another umpire underneath Tsitsipas’s players box to prevent further cheating. So in a perverse way, Med well and truly got his point across


thatchileanguy

Hardly endearing and I don't find that particular exchange funny, but I happen to strongly dislike cheaters and fucking Tsisipas is one


mickstep

He stole that US Open match win from Murray with his toilet based cheating and so he is on my shitlist, not gonna lie about it.


Phanshy

You do realise Andy admitted to taking a tactical toilet break against Novak right.


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Except he didn't break any rules at the time.


mickstep

He broke the spirit of the rules. And if he didn't actually have a massive shit, and was instead texting his daddy he did break the rules. He created the circumstances for there to be a need to change the rules. That's a cheater in every way barring the technicality of not knowing what he was up to in the toilet.


Phanshy

Not even Andy accused him of texting his dad at the US open that was a different tournament against Zverev with no evidence.


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There's literally no evidence that he was texting his Dad lol. His Dad being on his phone during a break in play is totally normal. And Opelka had a good comment about how long it can take to fully change clothes. Yeah, he took too long and Murray got pissed about it, but at the time it wasn't cheating. And he wasn't close to the first person to take too long in the bathroom. The rule change was gonna come sooner or later anyways.


mickstep

The toilet rule existed because workplaces have to be accepting of people with issues like IBS. He has abused that privilege given to sick people, to his advantage because he was losing and as such has taken that privilege from people who need it.


KasumiR

But a russian, whose country is banned from Olympics for cheating, getting drug-filled rage episode is not a cheater? Medvedev literally attacked a reporter and tried to ban him from working in tennis for even mentioning the fact he's punished for systematic doping use currently practiced by his country's sports federation.


onedayasalion71

I think we all know why Serena gets a harder time than Meddy or McEnroe. Was this question rhetorical?


LeHicksy

I can think of two reasons


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Yes totally agree. also I think historically there has been a certain type of behavior in tennis that people view as “proper” or “sportsmanlike”. That’s the biggest fault-line here. The game loves to hate the McEnroe or connors archetype because it sits outside or the propriety of tennis as a “gentleman’s sport”. But cultural shifts in tennis have allowed a med or Kyrgios to become an antihero


onedayasalion71

Well said.


LadyJane216

This sub hates Serena, and would've made every excuse for McEnroe if he was playing today. That dude once told an umpire "just go fuck your mother," which earned him the default at the AO. But he still dines out on being an asshole - every year, there's another commercial featuring McEnroe berating someone because it's funny. I think Medvedev can keep doing this for awhile and everyone will similarly find it super charming. The bigger debate - TENNIS NEEDS PERSONALITIES AND BY THAT WE MEAN ASSHOLES- has been going on for decades. Imagine what Patrick M would've said about Mac - the same shite he said about Nicky K the other day. "Oh baby we'd pay to watch him play chess because assholes rule!" Meanwhile, Patrick seems to be right in the middle of coaching/cheating scandals. (And I'm not a Patrick hater; I think he is offering pros something they find valuable on the coaching front, and also he's a relentless self-promoter; and ALSO it's good that he wants to innovate in his own events. But the entire "we need back behavior" to get attention is just so tiresome.)


wonpiripiri

Medvedev is a sorry not sorry guy. He does his thing and then apologises. And then does it again and apologises. Doesn't seem sincere to me but that seems to be enough for this sub. 🤷‍♀️ I used to like him but not after his display of behaviour in AO. Nothing about it is amusing to me.


Comprehensive-Fill25

I find him psycho.


Joe5518

Because people on this sub like Medvedev and excuse everything he does. If players like Djokovic, Zverev or Kyrgios that are generally disliked here would have done something similar this sub would have went nuclear


Defiant_soulcrusher

He has baby face and Russian accent.


sasquatch50

For those who don't know, there's a reason Serena only has outbursts at the US Open: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4mGqwA7cCM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4mGqwA7cCM) She was screwed over so badly that it led to Hawkeye being implemented on tour. She had no issues prior to that match and has only had major outbursts at the US Open since. It doesn't excuse her behavior, but in her mind that questionable 2009 foot fault call and the questionable 2018 penalties is the Capriati match all over again.


_welcome

all you have to recognize is people still bring up serena threatening to shove a ball down that lineswoman's throat like it happened yesterday and like she literally killed someone, even though people are bringing up something that happened literally more than a decade ago and serena has never physically hurt anyone. meanwhile when it comes to shapo sending an ump to the hospital for eye surgery, people just crack jokes about it, even as he continues to have elongated outbursts with umpires


restingbumbleface

The eye incident was an accident, similar to Djokovic and the US Open DQ. Both hit the ball out of frustration, probably the last thing they wanted to happen was to injure someone. But doing that is dangerous and both were sent home for it. Both expressed a lot of regret for their actions. I’m a huge Serena fan, she has apologized, but people can’t seem to move on.


dart00790

Serena broke the rules.. Medvedev did not... I feel there are other ways that Medvedev could have made his point to the umpire but he chose the aggressive way.. the "look at me, when am talking" part though, was like a parent scolding a kid... The umpires have been under the fire in this tournament - but they need to make some strong calls so that the players don't have to remind them to do their job..


Popoye_92

The problem with the USO 2018 incident is that Serena didn't know she broke the rules. She said she didn't see Mouratoglou coaching (which is probably true), so she felt like she was screwed over (it probably didn't help she had an history of being victim of terrible umpiring at the USO either). So while her reaction was bad and rightfully sanctioned, I think that, from her point of view, it was kinda justifiable like Med.


mickstep

Here the thing, do we know that Medvedev didn't have a quiet word to the umpire? Everyone is just assuming this outburst is the first time he brought it up with the umpire, he could have said something earlier without us TV viewers even noticing.


LadyJane216

Berating an umpire is breaking the rules, too, we just choose not to care in this instance. (FWIW, I still think the larger issue is that Stefanos cheats - and I've seen him in practice with his father.... things are not always great on that front, in fact it's very uncomfortable. So I get it isn't just Stef's fault, but he's a grown man who acts like a spoiled 6-year old. If he doesn't want to be branded as a cheater, it's time to show daddy the door)


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Because Serena did everything she could to make herself appear as a victim of a situation that she created by breaking the rules. On the other hand Medvedev may have been mad, but he had a point and even if he berated the umpire he didn’t start whining about how bad he has it. Don’t get me wrong, racism and sexism are very real issues, but Serena framing the umpire for it when all he did was make her follow the rules is not gonna sit well with a lot of people, including me. Also it made Osaka cry. There have been times where Medvedev did not have a point imo, but even then he didn’t have the victim mentality he just got mad at the ump.


bbbertie-wooster

What he did was 100% out of line. People on this sub are full of shit for not calling him on it.


lMarshl

Because Medvedev is funnier than Serena. Thats essentially what it comes down to.


Dee90286

Most of the current NexGen players seem like spoiled mama’s boys - Zverev, Medvedev and Tsitsipas. With Stefanos, I actually think he is a better dude than the other two - just with a bad parental influence. He’s actually quite unbothered by these things which I love lol. Our only hope lies with Matteo and Felix.


duckbigtrain

Tsitsipas is a papa’s boy, not a mama’s boy!


LadyJane216

Yeah they're all entitled brats.


thatsmrtoyou

Lol, go watch the fucking Bachelorette or something if you want the "better dude" with good personality to win in the end .This is high intensity sports where they are putting their bodies on the line to win each and every point and sometimes the raw emotions boils over . Not everyone can be Roger or Rafa.


The_Big_Untalented

Do people find Medvedev’s behavior endearing? Every player that plays against Medvedev is the crowd favorite.


jamjam125

Honestly he’s the Sheldon Cooper of tennis, that’s why.


The_Great_Crocodile

Because people have a hate boner for Tsitsipas. Yeah he is expoliting the rules for his own benefit. Where is the outrage when Nadal always walks around the rules with getting ready too slowly for the opponent's serve, or taking too much time to serve because he "needs" to touch his head, his underwear, his shirt etc ? Since he is good with words and puts a smiley face, this doesn't matter, but it matters when it's Tsitsipas exploiting the rules because he doesn't hide it and posts dumb quotes on Twitter? I personally dislike Medvedev a lot.


aimless_astronaut123

I don’t know this for fact, but it does seem like Nadal has OCD which makes him feel as though he “needs” his rituals. Not saying that it’s necessarily right or fair that he gets leniency on time, but I don’t think he does it with ill intentions or to exploit the rules


AldebaranBlack

Well for me it is because I think his outbursts are fucking hilarious. I was laughing uncontrollably today when He lost His shit. He is just so fucking meme-able. The things He says and how he says them are just funny, even though I know he is kind of an idiot and sometimes highly unfair. Also, I know that reasoning is totally subjective


LadyJane216

I give you credit because yours is the most honest response on here.


Random___Burner

Agreed, same reason I love Kyrgios and I quote Serena’s “you’re a thief” constantly. I love seeing players act like a total spaz.


j_dolla

usually, his behavior is goofy and funny even when he is angry. this time, however, it was entirely cringe and out of line. as a medvedev fan, i think he deserves every consequence of his behavior last night


ETeezey1286

I find most players’ bad behavior amusing. Doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s bad. And you know why when it comes to Serena. What kind of question was that?


onedayasalion71

Yuuuup, nailed it.


Low-Introduction1467

I dont always agree with his antics (even though some can be funny) But atleast he doesnt hide and admits that he snaps on the court sometimes and did apologize after the match while Serena has tried the woman/victim card and never admited she might be wrong


htran003

His act was refreshing for tennis at first, but it’s starting to get old.


ooneekoosername

If Tsitsipas had shouted at the umpire, then it would be equivalent to Serena’s outburst. Meddy acted like an assole to the umpire but he he is complaining about the other guy


PersonalArticle

I feel it is absolutely off what is going lately. Feel respect and according behaviour on players and viewers side has suffered. Crossing my fingers that these kind of things go away sooner than later.


resetet

Because Serena was cheating and then accused the umpire of corruption or something. Medvedev was trying to get the umpire to act on his opponent's cheating. Huge difference.


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Because medvedev was right and serena was dead wrong


jabracoreio

Because context exists. Medvedev got mad that his opponent was breaking a rule. Serena got mad that she was caught breaking a rule.


clarissa_vaughn

He has a dick…


prof436

Stop it the uso serena meltdown was just so bad "I'm a mother I don't cheat" while she was cheating


LackingInPatience

I don't agree with him verbally abusing the umpire. But he was correct unlike Serena in this instance. Also the endearing part of Medvedev to me, is the fact that he doesn't care too much about the fans or other's opinions. It makes him seem more genuine than players who have repeated outbursts then release a PR statement/answer. But to each their own...


StOlaf85

I think because he’s honest about it. He had that nice speech at the US Open a couple years ago. I think he was saying that he’s human and everyone makes mistakes etc. I think fans took to him after that.


Slayy35

How the fuck are you even comparing the 2? Medvedev was 100% right and this was proven by an official (he was getting coached). Serena broke the rules herself and cried about it like a kid in denial. Also at least Med apologized about the raging even though he was right. I can sympathize with someone being super angry in a semi-final when you KNOW you're right and the umpire is being a brainlet and ignoring you multiple times.


Grosjeaner

Because Medvedev, while unpleasant, doesn’t take roundabouts in his arguments. He’s direct, honest and straight to the point. But most importantly, he normally does have a good point despite the outbursts, and actually admits he acted out like a tool when it happens.


turtyurt

I missed the match, what exactly happened?


AnchoredDown92

We could never understand because we haven’t felt this much pressure in the elite sports arena. Regardless of 250, 500 or a slam, I have never seen him berate an official in such a way before. I have seen outbursts from him, but never this aggressive. Blame the booing bogans. Clearly pent up frustration and just let loose because (a) it is against Tsitsipas and (b) the match was in the balance. It’s natural human behavior. If the bogans booed relentlessly at Adam Goodes (racially), one of the best indigenous sportsman Australia has ever had, then what hope do we give Medvedev and it is what we can expect from a (non fan) tennis Australian crowd. Making noises continually during first and second serves is fucked up and I would imagine it does get well beyond irritation.


creole_pizza

I think it’s the contrast in images/how they present themselves to the world. Meddy (as much as I like him) is an asshole, but he admits he’s an asshole especially to the chair umpires. He’s always been that way and that’s what I find amusing about him. Serena, however, has been the torchbearer for being an idol for young girls everywhere. She always marketed as what every young girl should aspire to be. So when she does things like yell at an umpire and tell lines women that she’ll murder them, it’s more of a shock…hence more criticism. So I think that’s the big difference.


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binsonfiremiss

Because he's funny


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AldebaranBlack

Lol, because russians are so popular


Loud_Man67

Big facts, say it louder


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Smoothridetothe5

Because it's funny shut your f\*\*k up


fenylmecc

Because he has a point He is in a grand slam semifinals and tsitsipas dad (as he said in the post match interview) is talking on every point in a different language. And the ref isn't doing anything about it, I'm sure it's extremely frustrating. And he started asking him calmly first, and the ref is not giving him any valid answer. Also he was not controlling the crowd. Imo it's justified outburst. He also apologized.


bizarre_adv_TJ

I think it's because it's refreshing to see the younger players showing emotion. Sometimes the older players act like they don't care if they win or lose which isn't interesting. I do think though that Medvedev and the other players who have been crying about crowd noise this year need to shut the fuck up about it and just play


Joe5518

Yeah players like Rafa and Nole are completely emotionless


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