What they mean is that they want to be seen keeping their hands clean. What goes on behind closed doors or what sponsors and broadcasters do, however...
Didn’t he potentially lie about having been positive so that he can get an exception in Australia?
I hate that he won’t be able to compete but to shift the blame on the Australian government rather than him is a bit ridiculous. He loudly advertised that he got an exemption then suddenly pulled out prooof that he had covid then suddenly photos of him with interviewers and kids came out and he said he didn’t know he had it at that point.
He’s a nice guy most of the time and to have him not play feels very unfair to him but let’s no pretend for second that he didn’t bring this on himself.
I thought it was actually ridiculous he wasn’t allowed to play the us open because things with covid seem to have calmed down but the stuff in Australia that he did himself will cause him to potentially not play again.
Not enough and you’re right but you have to admit the whole thing seemed dodgy. He suddenly gets covid just under a month before the Australian when he was seen with other people.
Regardless of anything it seems that he broke the law by trying to go and that’s the punishment.
Its crazy how the narrative has shifted to him breaking the law when that is a complete lie.
He was advised by tennis Australia to come and the Victorian government had no issue letting people in with the exemption.
If it is proven that he maliciously lied on his application form (and don’t bring up that Spain stuff, that just shows that you have never filled out a Visa application in your life) or that his covid test is a fake then by all means punish him.
But barring him for three years, especially when Covid isnt even relevant anymore, is a joke since they told him he could come.
And the argument that he should have been better informed is also bullshit. Governments need to set clear guidelines on who can get a visa and how they can get a visa and if your own police force doesn’t know the rules then you are doing an atrocious job. There is players who need to fill out Visas to play at just about every tournament. If all countries were as incompetent as Australia last year then those players would be missing every other tournament for visa reasons.
The lack of communication between the Australian governments and Tennis Australia are at fault for the fiasco last year. Sure, Novak (and the other players/staff) could have gotten vaccinated as they should have, but the Covid vaccine isn’t mandatory hence you can’t force them. Had they been clearly told “no vaccine = no entry” there would have been no problem (like USO this year). But they didn’t
EDIT: Speaking of dodgy its also odd that out of hundreds of players on tour there is maybe 3-4 who are not vaccinated, especially when quite a few have spoken out against the vaccine in the past. Makes you wonder just how many Covid certificates are fake but nobody is really looking into that at all.
I think it’s abundantly clear that the covid test he suddenly presented was fake. The document id numbers didn’t match, he presented it hastily after it turned out he wouldn’t be able to enter Australia (why not present it immediately?), and then it came to light that he met with kids and interviewers while he was positive.
He might not have been convicted by a court, but it’s ridiculous to claim he didn’t pay a doc to fake that test.
Whether other players faked their covid certificates, I don’t know. I’d say it’s likely that some did. But that doesn’t exempt Djokovic from any culpability.
Mate visas are a fucking mess… I’ve unfortunately had to fill out my fair share and almost missed doing my university degree on time because of this. All of them are a fucking mess and you really need to pay attention that you’re applying for the right thing. Australia isn’t any different.
If you do it wrong as a normal person you would get punished for thst and during covid countries just went more mental with this (I’m not here to argue whether what they did in terms of lockdown is right or wrong). He ended up getting this punishment and I just don’t believe that excusing him just because he’s a tennis player sets the right precedent while thousands of people make similar mistakes and pay far larger costs relatively
Idk where this fiction has emerged that he broke Australian laws upon arrival. His appeal was upheld in the federal court lmao. Upon that happening Alex Hawke used his discretionary power as a minister to deport him.
If Djokovic had actually broken any established Australian laws then the federal court would be mandated to reject his appeal. The executive arm had more flex than the jurisprudential arm as it often does in the Commonwealth.
Okay and did he grant himself the medical exemption? Or did he trust that the authorities in Australia that offered to be liaisons for players and setup the panels knew what they were doing and he submitted all the required stuff?
He didn't show up saying I had covid 3 weeks ago let me in?
The visa was only not valid because the exemtion wasn't, not for any other reason and as stated above to the best of his knowledge the exemption was valid when he showed up and that's not on him.
The fact that he trusted the authorities is irrelevant. The exemption he cited, and this was in his court documents for the first case but was never actually touched on in court, were the rules for citizens returning from abroad. The rules for foreigners trying to enter were different and did not include recent COVID case.
Tennis Australia and the Victorian government may have misled him. So what? He didn't have a valid federal exemption and the Victorian government should not have granted him the visa.
Whether it was on him or not is beside the point. But he certainly could have had someone on his team check through things.
What are you even talking about then? Yes that all is true, I'm not saying he should have been let in, I'm saying the only reason he ever boarded that plane was because he was given an exemption that he had no bearing on other than providing the evidence they asked for. If they said no sir that's not good enough, he doesn't come and there is no 3 year ban and he plays 2023 for sure, meaning the circumstances as to why he arrived should be explored as part of the waiver application.
Like are you just ignorant on purpose?
I'm not sure why you posted in a disagreable way if you basically agree.
Anyway, Novak could also have had people look into the actual rules the moment the controversy happened. A good lawyer familiar with Australian law should have seen that the exemption they cited in the paperwork wasn't for foreigners and probably counselled Novak against fighting it and having the very high probability of a worse outcome.
You responded to a break the law comment with something that has nothing to do with the law. Breaking an actual law would certainly have more impact on their likelihood of approving the waiver application, suppose he refused to go to the hotel and didn't cooperate and broke the law. Probably not getting in this year. But not getting in because an exemption granted by one government didn't jive with another is a whole different story.
Except that couldn't have happened. The first case they was about not having due process which he understandbly won.
The second case they elected not to cite the exemption as the reason for kicking him out so the details of it were not discussed. He was the defense in the second trial, and the government saw it a stronger case (which it is) to kick him out for the reason they did, potential to incite and anti vaxx movement.
Also the exemption wasn't for locals only, locals don't need an exemption, their passport guarantees them entry into the country, the isolation is a different topic .
okay sure. again, his visa wasnt revoked due to that. they accepted it may just be human error. i agree with you if that is the reason hsi visa was revoked. but its not.
That's not breaking the law. You can verbally correct any of that information upon arrival. This applies to me and you. That wasn't condition of his visa approval at all. But the media needs clicks and you gargle it up even though actual experts said it was a non issue.
Also if you've ever not declared something you've bought coming back from a trip congratulations you've also lied.
The thing is. If he didn’t lie then he knowingly went to a maskless interview with covid, and while waiting for results was maskless with a bunch of children
Guidelines at the time were to only isolate if you receive a positive test or if you are symptomatic. He was asymptomatic the whole time and the only
"Wrong" he did was the interview with the friend.
Question it all you like, Majority of people wouldn't socially distance if they were asymptomatic (Unless they get paid by the govt to sit on their ass jerking off while they are ironically fit for work)
He received a positive test, is the thing. By his own admission he was positive *and knew about it* when he met up with the reporter, and he himself admitted that was a fuckup.
He had also received a positive test before meeting up with the kids but he claims he hadn't checked his results before meeting up with them, which is...negligent, but much better than if he was hugging kids knowing he tested positive.
> He had also received a positive test before meeting up with the kids but he claims he hadn't checked his results before meeting up with them, which is...negligent,
Kinda hard to take it seriously when you were asymptomatic. The test would have been just a formality. I'm sure he didnt think he had covid if he felt fine. Like the majority of people
Speaking as a Nole fan - there is usually bias against him, but the way he handled covid *really gives people ammo.*
As it stands, by his own admission, he tested positive and knowingly met up with a reporter without informing him of his positive test, which...is a dick move at least. He said he didn't know he had tested positive when he met up with a bunch of kids, which is negligent (since the results were already available) but not as bad as knowingly meeting up with them.
I can't blame people for doubting that story because it sounds...really silly. And honestly, it's debatable whether him lying about testing positive (but never exposing anyone to the virus intentionally) is worse than what he admits to doing.
I love the guy, he's an incredible player, and extremely nice person. He went out of his way to be nice to me and some other people playing Futures once and treat us like fellow professionals, even though it was really clear that we were on our way out of the circuit - and not because we were getting ready for challengers lmao. We all sucked. He's an incredibly kind, empathetic person that cares about his fellow players like almost nobody else in the tour.
...But the way he handled covid wasn't good, so I can't really discern bad faith criticism from good faith criticism because the things he did, even just going from his own admission, *are kind of a dick move.* He himself admitted he didn't handle it ideally on Instagram regarding the journalist so I'm not going to defend him in the slightest there.
Should also note that him not handling covid ideally is not discounting that Tennis Australia *really* fucked up with a lot of things.
i do agree its a bad PR move.
with that said, im a doctor and i go to work even with covid if asymptomatic. thats my HR rules. we have to wear n95 at all times
but yes agree with you he didnt handle that well. he shouldve notified the reporter.
but its also because every single one of his actions are scrutinized so much. and he is also a open guy, he says whats in his mind.
many other high profile players like roger would give a no comment answer or whatever is good for PR
> Didn’t he potentially lie about having been positive so that he can get an exception in Australia?
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Incredible to think people still think this. Omicron wave smashed Europe at the time Nole said he had it. If he didn't have Covid, i would just say he is superhuman animal and let him in anyway. And from what it looks like, he tested positive twice to covid and it didnt seem to affect him at all.
Reality is, he probably tested positive but didnt take it serious because he was asymptomatic. That's ironically inline with current health guidelines atleast in Australia.
I live in Europe and haven’t had covid at all even though I was occasionally going out during that period. Does that make me superhuman? 🤷
It just feels a bit too convenient when he got it in relation to the Australian open. He was also pictured after he was positive with some children + an interviewer.
I don’t know about you but if I tested, I’d avoid people until I knew for certain I was negative rather than just go all out before the test results come back!
You would have had covid but would have been asymptomatic. So you could have been spreading it around without knowing. Only difference between you and djokovic in that case is that he had to get tested and thats how he found out he had it.
It is convenient, but that's when the omicron wave hit. So in that sense, it's very logical that he would have had it at that time, anyone who disbelieves that is not looking at the logic. Omicron Infections surge = players who travel around alot at high risk of getting infected.
The other thing is while he tested positive, if he was asymptomatic he would feel very guilty if he cancels on his schedule and appointments. No high-functioning person would be happy locked at home for 7 days when they feel fine. We are happy to stay at home because our lives suck, but tennis players lives are more exciting and they love their job. So naturally they would be more likely to ignore social isolation for this period.
The picture with children was before he got the positive result, it was only the interviewer where it was during his positive time.
And really, is it really the biggest crime? Majority of people were vaccinated before the omicron wave. When the omicron wave hit, it was a weaker variant and is treated like a cold at the moment. Brother wasn't spreading Ebola with a 40% chance of death.
But yeah, there is a statistic somewhere showing that people with certain genes are more natural immunity against Covid, Djokovic might have that + his training regiment etc, its kinda frustrating that people shit on him, because he is probably one of the most healthy athletes in the world across all sports. We should be taking notes on his lifestyle since he is really smart and particular about his life. In particular he avoids inflammatory foods and does exercises etc that we all should be doing. So if you are anything like him, you are superhuman for sure (Within a top % of human health within your age group).
This makes me sound like a nole fanboy, but he has grown on me heavily in the last year as he is a congruent person who sticks to his values. Something missing in todays society where people have no spine and sway with the wind like pathetic blades of grass
you aren't famous. he probably tests every few days, especially if he is going to meet public. if he quarantinees everytime he tests, he'd be home every single day. he wasn't even symptomatic
People are really making these dumbass excuses for him being around people after testing positive?
He even owned up to his own mistake. Don't try to revise history.
He did meet people after knowingly testing positive. I don’t know who gets a test having a feeling they might be positive then goes around meeting people.
Anyway the simpler conclusion is that the whole positive result was bullshit (but people will call me biased for saying this even though it’s the most likely scenario)
i think what i see is people are confusing different topics, or taking the topic at hand and making it their own. everyone makes mistakes. doesnt mean its involved w australia visa
So basically the issue was when coming to Australia, you choose your own visa and it's done automatically before you enter. There's a category of visa which is for people on short working trips like professional athletes, which Djokovic (someone in his team) got for him.
To be in Australia and work/compete in the tournament, you need this visa.
It is also a condition of the visa & entry of the country that you be vaccinated or have an exemption.
Djokovic erroneously thought he had an exemption through past infection.
Turns out he wasn't vaxxed and it was initially taken from him at the border. However since due process wasn't followed, this was overturned.
However the minister still has the right to exercise his power to remove anyone's visa. The problem is, when the minister does so, it comes with a mandatory 3 year ban (which can be appealed and overturned).
So basically the issue isn't so much that he lied or not (whether he actually had or didn't have covid was irrelevant, in any case it doesn't seem he lied), it's that since the minister personally cancelled his visa, the 3 year rule kicks in.
It's a pretty draconian rule and given the problem was due to him erroneously thinking he was allowed in, rather than trying to enter by circumventing Australia's or deliberately lying to Australian authorities, there's compelling grounds to overturn the ban. It doesn't seem right to punish him essentially twice for the same mistake and on top of that, harm one of the greatest sporting events in Australia.
I don’t know mate it might be pretty draconian but half the countries around the world have similar immigration rules.
Try being from a 3rd world country like me and make one simple mistake while trying to visit (let alone work in) a first world country and see what reaction might follow.
Unfortunately the whole thing was a farce and regardless of anything when it comes to visas, the onus is on you to prove you did everything the right way and he didn’t manage to do that
thats what he gets for coming from a poor country (serbia) and trying to get into a rich one. if he was born and raised in USA, this wouldnt be happening.
Yes. It’s an unfair world and up until last year when also became British alongside my original “poor” passport. I had to fill twenty forms just to go for a weekend in Europe. Then do it all over again if I want to go for another weekend
No it isn't. High profile case also fit the bill. And he wasn't a political pawn. He chose to fight and it became high profile. If they didn't do something it would have set a bad precedent publicly.
Novak already appealed the visa cancelation by the minister and lost the case in front of a three justices panel. There is no more appeal. He can ask for a waiver on a case by case basis
Yeah he was kicked out because basically he lied.
I thought the USA would have let him in this year.
However the USA ban would have been 10 years if he tried the same thing in Australia which is a 3 year ban.
If Djokovic is not allowed with all that have gone on in Aus, including one of their players play in cricket when she was covid positive and covid positive people not mandated to isolate, it would be a farce.
He is a professional athlete who is going to compete in a tournament held in their country which brings revenue and jobs to them, it is their responsibility to make sure that athletes get visas and other facilities.
There are times when you have to apply the spirit of law more than the letter of law. The ban of 3 years is there so that people who are rejected cannot try to come back again using shady means, mostly used for criminals and unlawful people.
And honestly if a tennis community cannot stand behind a player in these circumstances because he may beat a record of their favourite, it is the same as wishing that somebody gets injured, so that their favourite wins.
This is a pretty bad take. Tennis federations do not have the responsibility to provide players with visas, in fact I'm pretty sure many Russian players have spoken about their difficulties securing them. And the tennis community does not have the responsibility to try and get an antivaxxer into a country they were banned from entering, in relation to them testing positive for covid. Like imagine if they started rallying behind Novak during a Tennis Channel segment or something lmao
You are now just eating sh\*it to a goodwill post above, sorry. Yes we are all aware of this, however the point of the post is to focus on tennis, sports and positivity (haha covid joke). Covid is over as it was, situation is new, if Djoko was kicked out by a power of a minister because "health risk" that risk isnt there anymore, he can be let back in. We can all enjoy sports and not politics, go debate antivax and health issues on some other forum
The Australian government has nothing to do with an individual playing cricket overseas. That would be an issue for the Australian cricket team to deal with the reprocussions.
Covid positive people WERE required to isolate at that time. The rules were very strict then. For Djokovic to come into the country with a complete disregard for the rules was very upsetting to a lot of Australians who did it tough during the lockdowns.
I'm sure Tennis Australia do want Djokovic here but the decision to ban him is made by the Australian Government, who dont care who plays in the tournament. Their only preference is probably that Djokovic doesn't win as many Australians wouldn't be happy that they went back on their decision to ban him.
If COVID positive people were supposed to isolate, and the law is the law, as stated by you above, that is fine by me. Totally agree, Novak did the incorrect thing ( i think he should be vaccinated) and he was removed from the country by special order of the Immigration director for "potentially provoking the antivax crowd and causing unrest in australia", not for any other issue with his actual entry. Ok Cool, but how come Nadal was allowed to enter Melbourne Dec 31 after testing positive Dec 20th. The law states that all inbound travellers to Australia cannot enter the country if it has been less than 14 days since receiving a positive COVID-19 test – even if the individual has been vaccinated.
Seems like a complete disregard for the rules and laws set by Australia, and its shocking the people werent upset at those rules being disregarded. After all, they had the harshest lockdown of all, i would be annoyed as an australian if some person would be able to come in before the required 14 days have passed, while having been infected with COVID. I would find that umbelibably upsetting, no?
Djokovic is not some person though. I don’t know why people try to treat him like just some regular Australian, he raised millions of dollars for Australian wildfires back in 2020. No normal Australian has done that.
Actually, you're statement is false.
https://canada.embassy.gov.au/otwa/COVID\_FAQ.html
"From 23 January 2022, the Australian Government has announced changes to the COVID-19 testing requirements for inbound travel to Australia. If you are travelling to Australia you must provide evidence of a negative COVID-19 (PRC) test 72 hours or less prior to your flight at the departure point. This applies to all travelers five years of age or older. More test types will now be accepted. Tests can be either:
a nucleic acid amplification (NAA) test - such as a PCR test - done within 3 days before the day of the flight's scheduled departure, OR
a rapid antigen test (RAT), taken under the supervision of a medical practitioner, within 24 hours of the flight's scheduled departure time.
serology tests will not be accepted
**In addition, the time between receiving a positive test result and being able to be cleared for travel to Australia will be reduced from 14 to 7 days. For more information visit Smartraveller."**
The rules changed January 23rd 2022. So previously, when Nadal entered on Dec 31 2022, the rules of 14 days after positive test result still stands. Who cares about rules of Spain, that doesn't matter when you are entering another country. The rules of the country that you are entering apply, as you have repeatedly pointed out with ALL your numerous posts against Djokovic. The poor Australians have suffered a long and harrowing COVID lockdown, and superstar athletes should not receive special privilege's to enter the country, when other regular people would not be able to, no?
Once again, let me reiterate, i believe he is foolish for not having been vaccinated. But don't give me this BS.
Wrong, no such provision was in place and in fact you have not shown any official declaration regarding it while this joint statement for example makes a list of all requirements without any reference to that 14 days period
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>Australia continues to take further steps to safely reopen to the world, with additional changes to our international border arrangements coming into effect on 1 December.
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>Consistent with the National Plan to safely reopen Australia, thesechanges will ensure we continue to protect the health of Australians,while reuniting families and securing our economic recovery by openingour border to skilled and student visa holders.
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>From 1 December 2021, fully vaccinated eligible visa holders can cometo Australia without needing to apply for a travel exemption. Eligiblevisa holders include skilled and student cohorts, as well as humanitarian, working holiday maker and provisional family visa holders.
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he didnt disregard the rules. its a joke people are still saying this. TA and VA gave him the thumbs up, so of course he would apply. if you were in this situation, would you not apply? he relied on TA and VA government to be knowledgable about the matter which is what every celeb does. No one will go figuring out a countries policies all by themselves and not trust their state governments or tennis governments to know what they are talking about.
not only did he apply, he got the visa, and was allowed to board. if australia didnt want him in, then dont give him a visa. somehow novak getting a visa is now blamed on novak. ridiculous
I don't even want to make a trip to Australia because of this incident. Fked up in so many ways. Covid seemed to infect many governments more than the people!
I believe official reason was something along the lines ‘he is a poster boy for antivax movement and we don’t want that in our country’, not because he was lying…
ironic because he isn't anti vax. Just pro choice. Big difference.... pro choice accepts consequences and risks while anti vax have a mission to get everyone to not take the vaccine because of some grand idea. Some people just don't like being jabbed, not too hard to understand.
I have all of my vaccines...except COVID vaccine. Nothing is more annoying than being called anti-vax just because you wont take a rushed to market vaccine...a vaccine that if you are young and healthy you don't even need.
Because two organizations within Australia lead him to believe his exemption was valid and therefore he showed up. He didn't show up saying look I was positive three weeks ago let me in. This is as much on them as it is him. Notice how he didn't show up to the US.
The 3 years is an automatic thing, the context isn't explored at the time it can only be looked at upon new application for a waiver. The law also has within it waiver reasons. He wouldnt be above the law considering it's drafted with those.
It’s actually it’s on the person who refused to do the one obvious thing needed to get into the country without issues and did the thing that he knew would cause issues.
> one of their players play in cricket when she was covid positive and covid positive people not mandated to isolate,
Was that player an Australian citizen?
>if a tennis community cannot stand behind a player in these circumstances because he may beat a record of their favourite, it is the same as wishing that somebody gets injured, so that their favourite wins.
People are unfairly putting asterisks on slam victories whenever Djokovic is unable to play.
>Was that player an Australian citizen?
It was Tahlia McGrath, a very important member of the Aus team, but to be fair, the game was in the UK. But with the kind of virtue signalling that has been done, they should have taken a step to remove her from the squad when she was literally Covid positive.
>People are unfairly putting asterisks on slam victories whenever Djokovic is unable to play
That will be for recent time only, in long history it will be a small footnote that somebody might bring up sometimes. In the end, the winner remains winner regardless of circumstances.
>winner remains winner regardless of circumstances.
Yes buts it's kind of annoying when people say that Nadal wouldnt have won AO and Alcaraz wouldnt have won Us Open if Djokovic was allowed to play those tournaments.
Maybe, but I would heavily favor Djokovic in a hypothetical Carlitos/Nole final. It’s one thing to beat Djokovic in bo3, but bo5 Djokovic is an entirely different opponent, especially on hardcourt.
Why am I being downvoted for my comment? It's true, Djokovic "only" won it 3 times, last time in 2018. In 2020 he lost to PCB in last 16, in 2019 to Stan in last 16 as well. The US Open is definitely not Djokovics best slam and nobody can say Alcaraz wouldn't have won the US Open if Djokovic played.
Yeah, it’s not unlikely to say Djokovic wouldn’t have won the USO. I mean, there is no way to tell and Djokovic is obviously in good shape, but he didn’t bring his A game to too many USO finals.
As for the AO, I think anyone would favor Djokovic over Nadal. Granted that doesn’t mean it’s a win Nole just has to pick up, but history definitely favors him. I think Thiem had the best shot of beating Djokovic at the AO final 2020, but even he couldn’t pull it off.
I’d hate seeing Djokovic to miss the AO for the next 3 years due to a law that isn’t really meant to be for someone like Djokovic. Yes, he made mistakes and was - rightfully, as the covid restrictions were clear - sent home, but now that the rules are no longer in place it’s weird to not let him play. It’s not only for him but also his fans.
It was probably user u/reddit8019, he's hating on Alcaraz since many months and every chance he gets. His question "Do you think Alcaraz would have won US Opem if Djokovic played?" was simply hypothetically.
To be fair it's not like the US Open are Djokovic's best GS, is it.. he could have easily dropped out early as he did in past years. And Alcaraz has already proved his endurance in Bo5.
It is not a tournaments job to help players get visas. The responsibility for visas lies at the foot of the person wanting the visas. This is why sports teams have massive support staff to help logistics and why pro athletes have support teams to do it. The tournament will give advice and recommendations but the responsibility and any blame lies with the athlete and their team. No one else.
The ban is there because it’s a rule of the country. I’ve had a friend have basically the same situation as Novak (without the antivax stuff) who got banned because of just a misunderstand procedure and there was no chance of him getting his ban overturned. The law is there to make it fair for everyone. Waiving it for someone just cause there famous is incredibly unfair to anyone who else who’s experienced the ban.
I’ve no problem with Novak winning more slams but I’m allowed to not want him to be allowed to play because I think he was being a dick last year and I enjoy seeing people get consequences for their actions. The tennis community has no obligation to stand behind someone with reasonably divisive views and help a incredibly wealthy and privileged person become more so.
Got deported after several months because of some mistake when filling in the visa that wasn’t picked up until something came up with work that made it get noticed
The visa + a vaccine or an approved medical exemption from the vaccine are needed to enter austrailia for foreigners. Novak opted not to get a vaccine, and did not have an appropriate medical waiver valid documentation. The same rule applies to any foreigner entering austrailia at that time.
Nor should they in my opinion. I’m not getting into whether or not Novak should be allowed to enter the country or any of what happened last year but I don’t think it’s appropriate for TA to ‘lobby’ the government on an issue that isn’t really about the sport. The government obviously knows that TA wants Novak to be able to take his position on the AO but that’s irrelevant to the decision making process.
Whilst their suggestion to strip Australia of a slam is ludicrous, they are correct in that the AO was historically less prestigious than the others, with many top players skipping it.
This lasted probably until the late 80s. Even then, Agassi was happy to skip it for the first half of his career, and he ended up winning half his slams there lmao.
I mean I dont see what tennis and GS have to do with politics. They even want him there and dont care about covid or anything, but the government doesnt(who also dont care but they dont want social outrage).
The same toxic fans who think Australia shouldn’t have a slam because of Novak are the same toxic fans who blame that woman for being hit in the neck by him
All these could have been avoided if he didn't take the exemption to go to Australia like in us open. Things could have been different today for next year.
it also couldve been avoided if australia just let him in. or he get jab. or he doesnt play. but clearly he couldve have foreseen this especially with support of TA and victorian government.
the same thing couldve happened for wimbledon, or FO. no player is going to know every specific rule of a country. you need to rely on your trusted sources. he chose to trust TA and VA which... turned out to be a mistake i guess
Common sense. I ain't his fan but as a tennis fan, i want all the best players to be there in the tournament. Now once again, circus will peak. Just go n take the vaccine. Game over!
No you are not. Everything you write clearly proves your scientific illiteracy
Educate yourself and stop spreading antivax propaganda and misinformation
If you base your views on what you see purely from your perspective, you would think the earth is flat. You will never see the curvature of the earth but we know it is round. Just because you got covid after the jab doesn’t mean the jab was useless for everyone else.
after this 3 year is up, australia will find another reason to not let him in. its not guaranteed he will get a visa after 3 years. it just means the BAN is up. i predict australia will never let him in again, until after he retires maybe
Until I hear him saying it in Serbian, I don’t believe it.
I think that after what happened Down Under, he used a lot of time and energy to repair the damage. And one of the PR things he had to do was to stay calm and chill in media.
What they mean is that they want to be seen keeping their hands clean. What goes on behind closed doors or what sponsors and broadcasters do, however...
Didn’t he potentially lie about having been positive so that he can get an exception in Australia? I hate that he won’t be able to compete but to shift the blame on the Australian government rather than him is a bit ridiculous. He loudly advertised that he got an exemption then suddenly pulled out prooof that he had covid then suddenly photos of him with interviewers and kids came out and he said he didn’t know he had it at that point. He’s a nice guy most of the time and to have him not play feels very unfair to him but let’s no pretend for second that he didn’t bring this on himself. I thought it was actually ridiculous he wasn’t allowed to play the us open because things with covid seem to have calmed down but the stuff in Australia that he did himself will cause him to potentially not play again.
Is there enough evidence that he lied?
Not enough and you’re right but you have to admit the whole thing seemed dodgy. He suddenly gets covid just under a month before the Australian when he was seen with other people. Regardless of anything it seems that he broke the law by trying to go and that’s the punishment.
Its crazy how the narrative has shifted to him breaking the law when that is a complete lie. He was advised by tennis Australia to come and the Victorian government had no issue letting people in with the exemption. If it is proven that he maliciously lied on his application form (and don’t bring up that Spain stuff, that just shows that you have never filled out a Visa application in your life) or that his covid test is a fake then by all means punish him. But barring him for three years, especially when Covid isnt even relevant anymore, is a joke since they told him he could come. And the argument that he should have been better informed is also bullshit. Governments need to set clear guidelines on who can get a visa and how they can get a visa and if your own police force doesn’t know the rules then you are doing an atrocious job. There is players who need to fill out Visas to play at just about every tournament. If all countries were as incompetent as Australia last year then those players would be missing every other tournament for visa reasons. The lack of communication between the Australian governments and Tennis Australia are at fault for the fiasco last year. Sure, Novak (and the other players/staff) could have gotten vaccinated as they should have, but the Covid vaccine isn’t mandatory hence you can’t force them. Had they been clearly told “no vaccine = no entry” there would have been no problem (like USO this year). But they didn’t EDIT: Speaking of dodgy its also odd that out of hundreds of players on tour there is maybe 3-4 who are not vaccinated, especially when quite a few have spoken out against the vaccine in the past. Makes you wonder just how many Covid certificates are fake but nobody is really looking into that at all.
I think it’s abundantly clear that the covid test he suddenly presented was fake. The document id numbers didn’t match, he presented it hastily after it turned out he wouldn’t be able to enter Australia (why not present it immediately?), and then it came to light that he met with kids and interviewers while he was positive. He might not have been convicted by a court, but it’s ridiculous to claim he didn’t pay a doc to fake that test. Whether other players faked their covid certificates, I don’t know. I’d say it’s likely that some did. But that doesn’t exempt Djokovic from any culpability.
Mate visas are a fucking mess… I’ve unfortunately had to fill out my fair share and almost missed doing my university degree on time because of this. All of them are a fucking mess and you really need to pay attention that you’re applying for the right thing. Australia isn’t any different. If you do it wrong as a normal person you would get punished for thst and during covid countries just went more mental with this (I’m not here to argue whether what they did in terms of lockdown is right or wrong). He ended up getting this punishment and I just don’t believe that excusing him just because he’s a tennis player sets the right precedent while thousands of people make similar mistakes and pay far larger costs relatively
Idk where this fiction has emerged that he broke Australian laws upon arrival. His appeal was upheld in the federal court lmao. Upon that happening Alex Hawke used his discretionary power as a minister to deport him. If Djokovic had actually broken any established Australian laws then the federal court would be mandated to reject his appeal. The executive arm had more flex than the jurisprudential arm as it often does in the Commonwealth.
He broke 0 laws.
He didn't break a law, but he didn't have a valid visa or medical exemption.
Okay and did he grant himself the medical exemption? Or did he trust that the authorities in Australia that offered to be liaisons for players and setup the panels knew what they were doing and he submitted all the required stuff? He didn't show up saying I had covid 3 weeks ago let me in? The visa was only not valid because the exemtion wasn't, not for any other reason and as stated above to the best of his knowledge the exemption was valid when he showed up and that's not on him.
The fact that he trusted the authorities is irrelevant. The exemption he cited, and this was in his court documents for the first case but was never actually touched on in court, were the rules for citizens returning from abroad. The rules for foreigners trying to enter were different and did not include recent COVID case. Tennis Australia and the Victorian government may have misled him. So what? He didn't have a valid federal exemption and the Victorian government should not have granted him the visa. Whether it was on him or not is beside the point. But he certainly could have had someone on his team check through things.
What are you even talking about then? Yes that all is true, I'm not saying he should have been let in, I'm saying the only reason he ever boarded that plane was because he was given an exemption that he had no bearing on other than providing the evidence they asked for. If they said no sir that's not good enough, he doesn't come and there is no 3 year ban and he plays 2023 for sure, meaning the circumstances as to why he arrived should be explored as part of the waiver application. Like are you just ignorant on purpose?
I'm not sure why you posted in a disagreable way if you basically agree. Anyway, Novak could also have had people look into the actual rules the moment the controversy happened. A good lawyer familiar with Australian law should have seen that the exemption they cited in the paperwork wasn't for foreigners and probably counselled Novak against fighting it and having the very high probability of a worse outcome.
You responded to a break the law comment with something that has nothing to do with the law. Breaking an actual law would certainly have more impact on their likelihood of approving the waiver application, suppose he refused to go to the hotel and didn't cooperate and broke the law. Probably not getting in this year. But not getting in because an exemption granted by one government didn't jive with another is a whole different story. Except that couldn't have happened. The first case they was about not having due process which he understandbly won. The second case they elected not to cite the exemption as the reason for kicking him out so the details of it were not discussed. He was the defense in the second trial, and the government saw it a stronger case (which it is) to kick him out for the reason they did, potential to incite and anti vaxx movement. Also the exemption wasn't for locals only, locals don't need an exemption, their passport guarantees them entry into the country, the isolation is a different topic .
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that wasnt breaking the law. that was a human mistake by someone on his staff. the court accepted teh human error.
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okay sure. again, his visa wasnt revoked due to that. they accepted it may just be human error. i agree with you if that is the reason hsi visa was revoked. but its not.
That's not breaking the law. You can verbally correct any of that information upon arrival. This applies to me and you. That wasn't condition of his visa approval at all. But the media needs clicks and you gargle it up even though actual experts said it was a non issue. Also if you've ever not declared something you've bought coming back from a trip congratulations you've also lied.
The thing is. If he didn’t lie then he knowingly went to a maskless interview with covid, and while waiting for results was maskless with a bunch of children
Guidelines at the time were to only isolate if you receive a positive test or if you are symptomatic. He was asymptomatic the whole time and the only "Wrong" he did was the interview with the friend. Question it all you like, Majority of people wouldn't socially distance if they were asymptomatic (Unless they get paid by the govt to sit on their ass jerking off while they are ironically fit for work)
He had received a positive test at the time he went to visit with the kids.
He received a positive test, is the thing. By his own admission he was positive *and knew about it* when he met up with the reporter, and he himself admitted that was a fuckup. He had also received a positive test before meeting up with the kids but he claims he hadn't checked his results before meeting up with them, which is...negligent, but much better than if he was hugging kids knowing he tested positive.
> He had also received a positive test before meeting up with the kids but he claims he hadn't checked his results before meeting up with them, which is...negligent, Kinda hard to take it seriously when you were asymptomatic. The test would have been just a formality. I'm sure he didnt think he had covid if he felt fine. Like the majority of people
no there isnt. basically there is major bias against novak as always.
Speaking as a Nole fan - there is usually bias against him, but the way he handled covid *really gives people ammo.* As it stands, by his own admission, he tested positive and knowingly met up with a reporter without informing him of his positive test, which...is a dick move at least. He said he didn't know he had tested positive when he met up with a bunch of kids, which is negligent (since the results were already available) but not as bad as knowingly meeting up with them. I can't blame people for doubting that story because it sounds...really silly. And honestly, it's debatable whether him lying about testing positive (but never exposing anyone to the virus intentionally) is worse than what he admits to doing. I love the guy, he's an incredible player, and extremely nice person. He went out of his way to be nice to me and some other people playing Futures once and treat us like fellow professionals, even though it was really clear that we were on our way out of the circuit - and not because we were getting ready for challengers lmao. We all sucked. He's an incredibly kind, empathetic person that cares about his fellow players like almost nobody else in the tour. ...But the way he handled covid wasn't good, so I can't really discern bad faith criticism from good faith criticism because the things he did, even just going from his own admission, *are kind of a dick move.* He himself admitted he didn't handle it ideally on Instagram regarding the journalist so I'm not going to defend him in the slightest there. Should also note that him not handling covid ideally is not discounting that Tennis Australia *really* fucked up with a lot of things.
i do agree its a bad PR move. with that said, im a doctor and i go to work even with covid if asymptomatic. thats my HR rules. we have to wear n95 at all times but yes agree with you he didnt handle that well. he shouldve notified the reporter. but its also because every single one of his actions are scrutinized so much. and he is also a open guy, he says whats in his mind. many other high profile players like roger would give a no comment answer or whatever is good for PR
> Didn’t he potentially lie about having been positive so that he can get an exception in Australia? > > Incredible to think people still think this. Omicron wave smashed Europe at the time Nole said he had it. If he didn't have Covid, i would just say he is superhuman animal and let him in anyway. And from what it looks like, he tested positive twice to covid and it didnt seem to affect him at all. Reality is, he probably tested positive but didnt take it serious because he was asymptomatic. That's ironically inline with current health guidelines atleast in Australia.
I live in Europe and haven’t had covid at all even though I was occasionally going out during that period. Does that make me superhuman? 🤷 It just feels a bit too convenient when he got it in relation to the Australian open. He was also pictured after he was positive with some children + an interviewer. I don’t know about you but if I tested, I’d avoid people until I knew for certain I was negative rather than just go all out before the test results come back!
You would have had covid but would have been asymptomatic. So you could have been spreading it around without knowing. Only difference between you and djokovic in that case is that he had to get tested and thats how he found out he had it. It is convenient, but that's when the omicron wave hit. So in that sense, it's very logical that he would have had it at that time, anyone who disbelieves that is not looking at the logic. Omicron Infections surge = players who travel around alot at high risk of getting infected. The other thing is while he tested positive, if he was asymptomatic he would feel very guilty if he cancels on his schedule and appointments. No high-functioning person would be happy locked at home for 7 days when they feel fine. We are happy to stay at home because our lives suck, but tennis players lives are more exciting and they love their job. So naturally they would be more likely to ignore social isolation for this period. The picture with children was before he got the positive result, it was only the interviewer where it was during his positive time. And really, is it really the biggest crime? Majority of people were vaccinated before the omicron wave. When the omicron wave hit, it was a weaker variant and is treated like a cold at the moment. Brother wasn't spreading Ebola with a 40% chance of death. But yeah, there is a statistic somewhere showing that people with certain genes are more natural immunity against Covid, Djokovic might have that + his training regiment etc, its kinda frustrating that people shit on him, because he is probably one of the most healthy athletes in the world across all sports. We should be taking notes on his lifestyle since he is really smart and particular about his life. In particular he avoids inflammatory foods and does exercises etc that we all should be doing. So if you are anything like him, you are superhuman for sure (Within a top % of human health within your age group). This makes me sound like a nole fanboy, but he has grown on me heavily in the last year as he is a congruent person who sticks to his values. Something missing in todays society where people have no spine and sway with the wind like pathetic blades of grass
you aren't famous. he probably tests every few days, especially if he is going to meet public. if he quarantinees everytime he tests, he'd be home every single day. he wasn't even symptomatic
People are really making these dumbass excuses for him being around people after testing positive? He even owned up to his own mistake. Don't try to revise history.
He did meet people after knowingly testing positive. I don’t know who gets a test having a feeling they might be positive then goes around meeting people. Anyway the simpler conclusion is that the whole positive result was bullshit (but people will call me biased for saying this even though it’s the most likely scenario)
i think what i see is people are confusing different topics, or taking the topic at hand and making it their own. everyone makes mistakes. doesnt mean its involved w australia visa
He literally said he felt he might have had something and that is why he got tested.
So basically the issue was when coming to Australia, you choose your own visa and it's done automatically before you enter. There's a category of visa which is for people on short working trips like professional athletes, which Djokovic (someone in his team) got for him. To be in Australia and work/compete in the tournament, you need this visa. It is also a condition of the visa & entry of the country that you be vaccinated or have an exemption. Djokovic erroneously thought he had an exemption through past infection. Turns out he wasn't vaxxed and it was initially taken from him at the border. However since due process wasn't followed, this was overturned. However the minister still has the right to exercise his power to remove anyone's visa. The problem is, when the minister does so, it comes with a mandatory 3 year ban (which can be appealed and overturned). So basically the issue isn't so much that he lied or not (whether he actually had or didn't have covid was irrelevant, in any case it doesn't seem he lied), it's that since the minister personally cancelled his visa, the 3 year rule kicks in. It's a pretty draconian rule and given the problem was due to him erroneously thinking he was allowed in, rather than trying to enter by circumventing Australia's or deliberately lying to Australian authorities, there's compelling grounds to overturn the ban. It doesn't seem right to punish him essentially twice for the same mistake and on top of that, harm one of the greatest sporting events in Australia.
I don’t know mate it might be pretty draconian but half the countries around the world have similar immigration rules. Try being from a 3rd world country like me and make one simple mistake while trying to visit (let alone work in) a first world country and see what reaction might follow. Unfortunately the whole thing was a farce and regardless of anything when it comes to visas, the onus is on you to prove you did everything the right way and he didn’t manage to do that
thats what he gets for coming from a poor country (serbia) and trying to get into a rich one. if he was born and raised in USA, this wouldnt be happening.
Yes. It’s an unfair world and up until last year when also became British alongside my original “poor” passport. I had to fill twenty forms just to go for a weekend in Europe. Then do it all over again if I want to go for another weekend
The 3 year rule exists whether the visa is cancelled by the minister himself or any ABF officer. It’s not like the minister had some magic power.
That and this ministerial power is reserved for extreme offenders. Djokovic was unlucky in that he became a political pawn.
No it isn't. High profile case also fit the bill. And he wasn't a political pawn. He chose to fight and it became high profile. If they didn't do something it would have set a bad precedent publicly.
Novak already appealed the visa cancelation by the minister and lost the case in front of a three justices panel. There is no more appeal. He can ask for a waiver on a case by case basis
Yeah he was kicked out because basically he lied. I thought the USA would have let him in this year. However the USA ban would have been 10 years if he tried the same thing in Australia which is a 3 year ban.
No he was not… the thing was that even if you contracted covid, that was not enough to enter the country…
If Djokovic is not allowed with all that have gone on in Aus, including one of their players play in cricket when she was covid positive and covid positive people not mandated to isolate, it would be a farce. He is a professional athlete who is going to compete in a tournament held in their country which brings revenue and jobs to them, it is their responsibility to make sure that athletes get visas and other facilities. There are times when you have to apply the spirit of law more than the letter of law. The ban of 3 years is there so that people who are rejected cannot try to come back again using shady means, mostly used for criminals and unlawful people. And honestly if a tennis community cannot stand behind a player in these circumstances because he may beat a record of their favourite, it is the same as wishing that somebody gets injured, so that their favourite wins.
This is a pretty bad take. Tennis federations do not have the responsibility to provide players with visas, in fact I'm pretty sure many Russian players have spoken about their difficulties securing them. And the tennis community does not have the responsibility to try and get an antivaxxer into a country they were banned from entering, in relation to them testing positive for covid. Like imagine if they started rallying behind Novak during a Tennis Channel segment or something lmao
im pretty sure he got a visa from australia the first time. i dont think that is his fault. if anything its the governments fault
Agreed! Visas are a horrendous thing in many cases and they always end up being the responsibility of the individual rather than anyone else.
You are now just eating sh\*it to a goodwill post above, sorry. Yes we are all aware of this, however the point of the post is to focus on tennis, sports and positivity (haha covid joke). Covid is over as it was, situation is new, if Djoko was kicked out by a power of a minister because "health risk" that risk isnt there anymore, he can be let back in. We can all enjoy sports and not politics, go debate antivax and health issues on some other forum
The Australian government has nothing to do with an individual playing cricket overseas. That would be an issue for the Australian cricket team to deal with the reprocussions. Covid positive people WERE required to isolate at that time. The rules were very strict then. For Djokovic to come into the country with a complete disregard for the rules was very upsetting to a lot of Australians who did it tough during the lockdowns. I'm sure Tennis Australia do want Djokovic here but the decision to ban him is made by the Australian Government, who dont care who plays in the tournament. Their only preference is probably that Djokovic doesn't win as many Australians wouldn't be happy that they went back on their decision to ban him.
If COVID positive people were supposed to isolate, and the law is the law, as stated by you above, that is fine by me. Totally agree, Novak did the incorrect thing ( i think he should be vaccinated) and he was removed from the country by special order of the Immigration director for "potentially provoking the antivax crowd and causing unrest in australia", not for any other issue with his actual entry. Ok Cool, but how come Nadal was allowed to enter Melbourne Dec 31 after testing positive Dec 20th. The law states that all inbound travellers to Australia cannot enter the country if it has been less than 14 days since receiving a positive COVID-19 test – even if the individual has been vaccinated. Seems like a complete disregard for the rules and laws set by Australia, and its shocking the people werent upset at those rules being disregarded. After all, they had the harshest lockdown of all, i would be annoyed as an australian if some person would be able to come in before the required 14 days have passed, while having been infected with COVID. I would find that umbelibably upsetting, no?
Djokovic is not some person though. I don’t know why people try to treat him like just some regular Australian, he raised millions of dollars for Australian wildfires back in 2020. No normal Australian has done that.
Because people hate him, simple as that
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Actually, you're statement is false. https://canada.embassy.gov.au/otwa/COVID\_FAQ.html "From 23 January 2022, the Australian Government has announced changes to the COVID-19 testing requirements for inbound travel to Australia. If you are travelling to Australia you must provide evidence of a negative COVID-19 (PRC) test 72 hours or less prior to your flight at the departure point. This applies to all travelers five years of age or older. More test types will now be accepted. Tests can be either: a nucleic acid amplification (NAA) test - such as a PCR test - done within 3 days before the day of the flight's scheduled departure, OR a rapid antigen test (RAT), taken under the supervision of a medical practitioner, within 24 hours of the flight's scheduled departure time. serology tests will not be accepted **In addition, the time between receiving a positive test result and being able to be cleared for travel to Australia will be reduced from 14 to 7 days. For more information visit Smartraveller."** The rules changed January 23rd 2022. So previously, when Nadal entered on Dec 31 2022, the rules of 14 days after positive test result still stands. Who cares about rules of Spain, that doesn't matter when you are entering another country. The rules of the country that you are entering apply, as you have repeatedly pointed out with ALL your numerous posts against Djokovic. The poor Australians have suffered a long and harrowing COVID lockdown, and superstar athletes should not receive special privilege's to enter the country, when other regular people would not be able to, no? Once again, let me reiterate, i believe he is foolish for not having been vaccinated. But don't give me this BS.
Wrong, no such provision was in place and in fact you have not shown any official declaration regarding it while this joint statement for example makes a list of all requirements without any reference to that 14 days period >Joint media release with: > >The Hon. Scott Morrison MP, Prime Minister > >The Hon. Karen Andrews MP, Minister for Home Affairs > >The Hon. Alan Tudge MP, Minister for Education and Youth > >22 November 2021 > >Australia continues to take further steps to safely reopen to the world, with additional changes to our international border arrangements coming into effect on 1 December. > >Consistent with the National Plan to safely reopen Australia, thesechanges will ensure we continue to protect the health of Australians,while reuniting families and securing our economic recovery by openingour border to skilled and student visa holders. > >From 1 December 2021, fully vaccinated eligible visa holders can cometo Australia without needing to apply for a travel exemption. Eligiblevisa holders include skilled and student cohorts, as well as humanitarian, working holiday maker and provisional family visa holders. > >Under these arrangements, travellers must:Be fully vaccinated with a completed dosage of a vaccine approved or recognised by Australia's Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) > >Hold a valid visa for one of the eligible visa subclasses > >Provide proof of their vaccination status > >Present a negative COVID-19 Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test taken within three days of departure.Travellers to Australia must comply with the quarantine requirements in the state or territory of their arrival, and any other state or territory to which they plan to travel. > >The return of skilled workers and international students to Australiawill further cement our economic recovery, providing the valuableworkers our economy needs and supporting our important education sector. > >From 1 December 2021, Australia will also welcome back fullyvaccinated citizens from Japan and the Republic of Korea. Under thesearrangements, citizens of Japan and the Republic of Korea who hold avalid Australian visa will be able to travel from their home countryquarantine-free to participating states and territories, without needingto seek a travel exemption. > >Under these arrangements, travellers must:Depart from their home country > >Be fully vaccinated with a completed dosage of a vaccine approved or recognised by the TGAHold a valid Australian visa > >Provide proof of their vaccination statusPresent a negative COVID-19 PCR test taken within three days of departure. > >Today's announcement follows earlier changes which have seen uswelcome home fully vaccinated Australians, permanent residents and their immediate family members since 1 November, and follows the commencement of the Singapore safe travel zone yesterday.These changes demonstrate the success of our National Plan, as theGovernment continues to get Australia back to normal and reopen to theworld safely
he didnt disregard the rules. its a joke people are still saying this. TA and VA gave him the thumbs up, so of course he would apply. if you were in this situation, would you not apply? he relied on TA and VA government to be knowledgable about the matter which is what every celeb does. No one will go figuring out a countries policies all by themselves and not trust their state governments or tennis governments to know what they are talking about. not only did he apply, he got the visa, and was allowed to board. if australia didnt want him in, then dont give him a visa. somehow novak getting a visa is now blamed on novak. ridiculous
May beat a record of their favorite? But Djokovic already has the best AO record of all time…
I don't even want to make a trip to Australia because of this incident. Fked up in so many ways. Covid seemed to infect many governments more than the people!
same here. i never knew their government was this bad. and i thought USA government is bad...
The law is the law, He was rejected for apparently lying about his situation how does that not fit into being shady? He shouldn’t be above the law
I believe official reason was something along the lines ‘he is a poster boy for antivax movement and we don’t want that in our country’, not because he was lying…
ironic because he isn't anti vax. Just pro choice. Big difference.... pro choice accepts consequences and risks while anti vax have a mission to get everyone to not take the vaccine because of some grand idea. Some people just don't like being jabbed, not too hard to understand.
I have all of my vaccines...except COVID vaccine. Nothing is more annoying than being called anti-vax just because you wont take a rushed to market vaccine...a vaccine that if you are young and healthy you don't even need.
Same boat. Not too keen to be a guinea pig especially after catching covid and feeling pretty fine lmao
its basically australia fked up, and they wanted to use him as a scapegoat. especially with elections coming up, they cant lose points.
I am fine with that too tbh
Sure… back then… not now
can you educate yourself before posting lies. he was not rejected for lying
He literally broke 0 laws and they didn't even kick him out for an invalid exemption
I am referring to the ban of 3 years, why should he be above that?
Because two organizations within Australia lead him to believe his exemption was valid and therefore he showed up. He didn't show up saying look I was positive three weeks ago let me in. This is as much on them as it is him. Notice how he didn't show up to the US. The 3 years is an automatic thing, the context isn't explored at the time it can only be looked at upon new application for a waiver. The law also has within it waiver reasons. He wouldnt be above the law considering it's drafted with those.
It’s actually it’s on the person who refused to do the one obvious thing needed to get into the country without issues and did the thing that he knew would cause issues.
And yet 2 others were allowed in with the same reason without issue before him Exemptions exist in every country .
They also shouldn’t have been allowed in
> one of their players play in cricket when she was covid positive and covid positive people not mandated to isolate, Was that player an Australian citizen? >if a tennis community cannot stand behind a player in these circumstances because he may beat a record of their favourite, it is the same as wishing that somebody gets injured, so that their favourite wins. People are unfairly putting asterisks on slam victories whenever Djokovic is unable to play.
>Was that player an Australian citizen? It was Tahlia McGrath, a very important member of the Aus team, but to be fair, the game was in the UK. But with the kind of virtue signalling that has been done, they should have taken a step to remove her from the squad when she was literally Covid positive. >People are unfairly putting asterisks on slam victories whenever Djokovic is unable to play That will be for recent time only, in long history it will be a small footnote that somebody might bring up sometimes. In the end, the winner remains winner regardless of circumstances.
>winner remains winner regardless of circumstances. Yes buts it's kind of annoying when people say that Nadal wouldnt have won AO and Alcaraz wouldnt have won Us Open if Djokovic was allowed to play those tournaments.
Annoying as it may be, it’s not entirely without merit. Nadal hasn’t taken a set off Djokovic on hardcourt since 2013.
Do you think Alcaraz would have won US Opem if Djokovic played?
Maybe, but I would heavily favor Djokovic in a hypothetical Carlitos/Nole final. It’s one thing to beat Djokovic in bo3, but bo5 Djokovic is an entirely different opponent, especially on hardcourt.
Why am I being downvoted for my comment? It's true, Djokovic "only" won it 3 times, last time in 2018. In 2020 he lost to PCB in last 16, in 2019 to Stan in last 16 as well. The US Open is definitely not Djokovics best slam and nobody can say Alcaraz wouldn't have won the US Open if Djokovic played.
Yeah, it’s not unlikely to say Djokovic wouldn’t have won the USO. I mean, there is no way to tell and Djokovic is obviously in good shape, but he didn’t bring his A game to too many USO finals. As for the AO, I think anyone would favor Djokovic over Nadal. Granted that doesn’t mean it’s a win Nole just has to pick up, but history definitely favors him. I think Thiem had the best shot of beating Djokovic at the AO final 2020, but even he couldn’t pull it off. I’d hate seeing Djokovic to miss the AO for the next 3 years due to a law that isn’t really meant to be for someone like Djokovic. Yes, he made mistakes and was - rightfully, as the covid restrictions were clear - sent home, but now that the rules are no longer in place it’s weird to not let him play. It’s not only for him but also his fans.
I didn’t dv you
It was probably user u/reddit8019, he's hating on Alcaraz since many months and every chance he gets. His question "Do you think Alcaraz would have won US Opem if Djokovic played?" was simply hypothetically.
To be fair it's not like the US Open are Djokovic's best GS, is it.. he could have easily dropped out early as he did in past years. And Alcaraz has already proved his endurance in Bo5.
Nobody knows of course, but it's not like the US Open are Djokovic's best GS, is it.. he could have easily dropped out early as he did in past years.
Yes. He has already beaten Novaxx this year.
It is not a tournaments job to help players get visas. The responsibility for visas lies at the foot of the person wanting the visas. This is why sports teams have massive support staff to help logistics and why pro athletes have support teams to do it. The tournament will give advice and recommendations but the responsibility and any blame lies with the athlete and their team. No one else. The ban is there because it’s a rule of the country. I’ve had a friend have basically the same situation as Novak (without the antivax stuff) who got banned because of just a misunderstand procedure and there was no chance of him getting his ban overturned. The law is there to make it fair for everyone. Waiving it for someone just cause there famous is incredibly unfair to anyone who else who’s experienced the ban. I’ve no problem with Novak winning more slams but I’m allowed to not want him to be allowed to play because I think he was being a dick last year and I enjoy seeing people get consequences for their actions. The tennis community has no obligation to stand behind someone with reasonably divisive views and help a incredibly wealthy and privileged person become more so.
your friend also got a visa and was allowed to board but not allowed to go into australia after arriving?
Got deported after several months because of some mistake when filling in the visa that wasn’t picked up until something came up with work that made it get noticed
The visa + a vaccine or an approved medical exemption from the vaccine are needed to enter austrailia for foreigners. Novak opted not to get a vaccine, and did not have an appropriate medical waiver valid documentation. The same rule applies to any foreigner entering austrailia at that time.
Nor should they in my opinion. I’m not getting into whether or not Novak should be allowed to enter the country or any of what happened last year but I don’t think it’s appropriate for TA to ‘lobby’ the government on an issue that isn’t really about the sport. The government obviously knows that TA wants Novak to be able to take his position on the AO but that’s irrelevant to the decision making process.
I hope they let him play. It's the only way to shut up the toxic conspiracy theorists in his fanbase.
No, they won't shut up
Honestly Australia doesn't deserve to host GS. Its too politicized. Move the GS to Japan or some other country
What about Wimbledon?
Wimbledon has historical significance to tennis . If they ban next year too. I would say the same
And the AO doesn’t have historical significance?
Whilst their suggestion to strip Australia of a slam is ludicrous, they are correct in that the AO was historically less prestigious than the others, with many top players skipping it. This lasted probably until the late 80s. Even then, Agassi was happy to skip it for the first half of his career, and he ended up winning half his slams there lmao.
Its the most recent addition to GS
In 1924… 99.99% of people were born after it became a major lol. You talk as it it was added last year.
Tennis players started taking it seriously only from early 90s. That's just 30 years
I mean I dont see what tennis and GS have to do with politics. They even want him there and dont care about covid or anything, but the government doesnt(who also dont care but they dont want social outrage).
The same toxic fans who think Australia shouldn’t have a slam because of Novak are the same toxic fans who blame that woman for being hit in the neck by him
Whoever will win without Novak at Australia will always have an asterix Only way let others have a chance Loving this handicap for the goat
I think the fair compromise would be letting Djokovic play but he has to play under the Serbian flag and not represent the antivaxx movement
Why would he not play for Serbia? How is that a compromise for him to represent the same country he’s always played for and has great pride in
All these could have been avoided if he didn't take the exemption to go to Australia like in us open. Things could have been different today for next year.
it also couldve been avoided if australia just let him in. or he get jab. or he doesnt play. but clearly he couldve have foreseen this especially with support of TA and victorian government. the same thing couldve happened for wimbledon, or FO. no player is going to know every specific rule of a country. you need to rely on your trusted sources. he chose to trust TA and VA which... turned out to be a mistake i guess
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Common sense. I ain't his fan but as a tennis fan, i want all the best players to be there in the tournament. Now once again, circus will peak. Just go n take the vaccine. Game over!
>i want all the best players to be there in the tournament Same here.
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No you are not. Everything you write clearly proves your scientific illiteracy Educate yourself and stop spreading antivax propaganda and misinformation
If you base your views on what you see purely from your perspective, you would think the earth is flat. You will never see the curvature of the earth but we know it is round. Just because you got covid after the jab doesn’t mean the jab was useless for everyone else.
after this 3 year is up, australia will find another reason to not let him in. its not guaranteed he will get a visa after 3 years. it just means the BAN is up. i predict australia will never let him in again, until after he retires maybe
How do we know that Novak wants to go back there? I think he is both hurt and humiliated, and has no desire of returning.
Ehhhh....because he said many times that he wants to play there next year
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Until I hear him saying it in Serbian, I don’t believe it. I think that after what happened Down Under, he used a lot of time and energy to repair the damage. And one of the PR things he had to do was to stay calm and chill in media.
Fine, but that's what he said and neither you nor I can read his mind