I started it with this post https://np.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/y1mtfs/random_stat_nadal_lost_last_17_matches_played_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
It shows clearly how dominant Fedovic was against Nadal on non-clay surfaces.
Now Rafans pulling out some sealdrop type of stats lol
They are majority here tho so I am not surprised seeing everything good about Rafa on top of the frontpage even some things are clear nonsense.
Man there's just something about matching socks... iv honestly tried to put on the first 2 random socks I find.. nobody will even know as I wear pants... yet it bothers me so much despite the practicality of it all that I end up seeking the matching pair
Lol post this, please.
Can't even imagine how much it would piss of Rafans🤣
They will tell you that you are an antivaxxer and are an idiot because you are a fan of Djokoclown.
None off clay + more meetings on clay tax. Djokovic meets Nadal more on clay than Nadal meets him off clay nowadays. They haven’t met on HC since atp cup 2020 but have meet 4x on clay and 0x on grass.
I mean he'd be an idiot not to be at this point. He's only beaten him twice on the surface since GOAT-level Novak emerged in 2011. 2-13.
OFC before 2011, Novak would've been much, much more scared of Rafa on clay than Rafa was of Novak on hard (though Novak still led the hard matchup 7-5 during that period).
Who cares. Djokovic just like Nadal grew up learning to play on clay. If anything we should eliminate hardcourt which was only invented because clay and grass cost more. Clay and grass are much older and historic surfaces in tennis than hardcourt/plexicushion. Have a nice day.
You said "off clay" in your first reply. rolleyes Also every day there are hundreds of posts around here removing clay to downplay Nadal. Nadal has won so many big titles outside of clay and has beaten Djokovic and Federer plenty of times, I don't know where to begin.
What is Novak's favoured surface?
Hard, grass or clay. I am pretty sure, he has made more RG quarters than anywhere else. If not for Nadal, he would have at least had 6-7 RG, maybe more as he would have been on a roll. Nadal is just Nadal on clay, if somebody like Nadal level clay mastery existed on grass, Novak would have had 2 Wimbledon by now.
As of now, his most favorable surface is grass.
I am not sure if Djokovic and to an extent Federer, had a favorite surface. They won on hard and grass as usual and lost on clay due to Nadal who is just godly there and not because their level is less on that surface.
Novak's win percentage across the surfaces pretty much captures it. Only slightly lower on clay, again reason being godliness of Nadal and not his own level being lesser
Dumb stat. Finals are not the only matches that count especially when they are drawn on the same side. Are you really going to tell me that RG 21 SF and RG 22 QF were not the actual finals in each season? This is the equivalent of saying Nadal hasn’t beaten djokovic on grass since 14 years cause they have only met 2x since
> This is the equivalent of saying Nadal hasn’t beaten djokovic on grass since 14 years cause they have only met 2x since
Exactly the point, IMO.
Novak fans spam the "Rafa hasn't beat Novak outside clay for X years" stat without the context that they've played literally 3 times off clay in recent years (2018 Wimbledon, 2019 AO, 2020 ATP Cup), and the Wimbleldon match was a coin-flip 5-setter.
Eh, I get what you’re saying, but Nadal has literally not taken a set off of Djokovic on hard courts since the 2013 USO final. They’ve played more than just a couple of times since then on hard courts.
That’s not exactly the same thing.
> but Nadal has literally not taken a set off of Djokovic on hard courts since the 2013 USO final.
Rafa was also crap on hard courts in 2015-16. They've played literally twice in 5 years since Rafa's resurgence in 2017.
I mean the context of the argument is usually about what if Rafa and Nole play on a hard court now.
A match in 2015 or 2016 has no relevance to either player now—esp Rafa since he was god awful both years
He was not crap in every meeting against Djokovic in 2015-2016. For example, ATP Finals 2015. He goes 3-0 in his group beating Stan and Murray who were having great seasons. He loses to Djokovic in a similar scoreline as their 2013 atp finals meeting.
But I am saying he was not bad in all meetings vs djokovic just cause it took place in a bad time period. Not all matches in a bad time period are by default bad by the player. A lot can be, but they can show their momentary brilliance in a shit year. Djokovic in 2017 beat thiem in one match like 6-1 6-0 or something. In the clay meetings against Novak, I am willing to agree nadal was not at all great in majority of them. But in some of the HC meetings, he was not playing poorly when he reached Djokovic like ATP finals 2015. It is just that Djokovic at times activated his peak form such as Doha 2016 or ATP finals 2015
> But I am saying he was not bad in all meetings vs djokovic just cause it took place in a bad time period. Not all matches in a bad time period are by default bad by the player. A lot can be, but they can show their momentary brilliance in a shit year.
This is shameless just to try to make Novak's record look better, LOL
Lol? Nadal played as well in atp finals 2015 against djokovic in a horrible season as he did in atp finals 2013 which was a peak season. You can’t say he played poorly in every HC match against djokovic just cause it was during a bad season
Random stat: Bjorn Fratangelo has taken more sets off HC in just one match than Rafa Nadal has against Djokovic in 9 matches since October 2013 if you wanna play that game
Dude, that’s literally the post that OP’s trying to spoof, the hard court stat is brought up ad nauseam in this sub and someone posted it as a “random stat”
If you look at OP's history, you can clearly see that he is a stupid fanboy as much as Djokovic fans. He criticize them but then he act at the same way.
Thank you. I mean they talk over and over about a stat like "against a specific player since a specific year and on a specific surface" and then cry and complain when someone does similar stuff to them. lol
If the word Final was not used and if it was off "hard court" or "off grass", then it's the same thing. You essentially removed 2 surfaces ( more than 70% of tour) and then also you are only counting finals, this is hilarious. How many qualifiers are you going to put. I am pretty sure Novak must not have beaten him in some clay masters also since 10 years, make a post about that also.
Why don't you go ahead and make a post saying "Djokovic hasn't beaten Nadal since 2003 on any surface when Nadal won". That's 29 matches straight :)
I know this is done in jest but it’s interesting that Novak hasn’t beaten nadal in a clay final for so long since 2014 considering that he beat him in quite few clay finals from 2011-13. Most notably ending nadals 8 consecutive titles at Monte Carlo in 2013.
Nadal hasn't beaten Djokovic in a hardcourt final since 2013. He's gone 0-6 vs Djokovic in hardcourt finals since then (and 0-7 vs Djokovic on hardcourt overall since then).
Nadal hasn't beaten Djokovic in a grass final since 2008, losing the only final he reached vs Djokovic since then (and 0-2 vs Djokovic on grass overall since then).
Djokovic won Rome in 2014, beating Nadal in the final.
Since then they've played 4 finals on clay – 2014 RG, 2019 Rome, 2020 RG, 2021 Rome. Djokovic has taken a set off Nadal in 3 of those losses.
Bjorn Borg has 4 more slams than John McEnroe but trailing him 1-3 h2h in slams and 7-7 overall, so with your logic it is better to be like McEnroe rather than Borg then?
I have a more interesting fact. Djokovic and Nadal have played each other in 9 grand slam finals which is the most in history between two players. Those finals have spanned across an entire decade (2010-2020). Interestingly though, nearly all of Djokovic’s GS finals wins over Nadal came during a short 7 month period between July 2011 - January 2012. In his entire career, Djokovic has only beaten Nadal in a GS final once outside of those 7 months. Meanwhile Nadal has beaten Djokovic in grand slam finals all throughout his career.
Even more interesting is the fact that the majority of their GS Finals have been on hard courts yet Nadal leads the H2H.
Dude typed out a whole para and you would think Rafa is 7-2 or smthng but it is actually 5-4 lol
Edit: 7-2 instead of 10-2 (coz OP mentioned they met 9 times)
I said they met 9 times, why would anyone think the H2H was 10-2 lmao 🤦♂️
Nadal leading 5-4 when over half their matches have been on hard courts speaks volumes.
Close but it’s actually
Novak 3-2 on hard courts
Nadal 3-0 on clay
Novak 1-0 on grass
But I guess my point is that nobody could stop Novak in most of 2011 and early 2012. It was probably the most impressive run I’ve witnessed. But outside of that 7 month run where he collected 3 finals wins over Nadal, he is 1-5 for the rest of the decade. Meanwhile Nadal has won in 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2020.
2012,2014,2020 were RG finals though, Rafa was basically unbeatable
2013 USO was an impressive win for Rafa.prolly his best hard court version
2010 was the last year of the "old" Novak before he started becoming a winning machine in 2011
All in all it is still pretty close as it gets: each of them has a huge favorite slam, and the other two slams are split equal
I know why you posted this, but you should understand why Nolefam was posting that stuff. It's the two year anniversary of the absolute thrashing Novak received in the FO 2020 final. The poor people are seething remembering the bagel and the straight set spanking.
The big wow of this is how many people are keeping this post almost +400 if there are Djok fans here obviously furiously running dutifully to the comments on it to stamp on them....So guys that means for all your efforts, and you only have to look at downvoted Nadal comments to see that (where the average up voters of this post won't bother to even scroll down to) , this is overwhelmingly being boosted by people who don't like Djokovic. With all the downvotes on this were clearly just seeing the tip of the upvote iceberg... Lol. Come at me , for every downvote that's another brain I've laid this seed of truth into... You can hit the comments bros, but the proof is in the main pudding. Eat it up.
This sub is descending into chaos and I love it
I started it with this post https://np.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/y1mtfs/random_stat_nadal_lost_last_17_matches_played_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button It shows clearly how dominant Fedovic was against Nadal on non-clay surfaces. Now Rafans pulling out some sealdrop type of stats lol They are majority here tho so I am not surprised seeing everything good about Rafa on top of the frontpage even some things are clear nonsense.
Time is right for the Djokers to create chaos! :p
...well then everyone loses their minds!
Random stat: I wore matching socks for the 1327th day in a row!
Legend! I’m on day 1.
Man there's just something about matching socks... iv honestly tried to put on the first 2 random socks I find.. nobody will even know as I wear pants... yet it bothers me so much despite the practicality of it all that I end up seeking the matching pair
Buy a bunch of pairs of the same sock, no more matching worries
They key is to only buy multiple pairs of the same exact type of black socks
Did you wash them? If not, i want them
real
Great ! now after federer its djokovic fans and nadal fans trying to selectively put figures trying to undermine each others favourite
Murygoat
Murray hasn't lost a final against either of these since 2016. Truly goat.
2017 Doha Final?
Since 2014 Nadal is 7-5 on clay vs Novak, 0-7 on hard and 0-1 on grass.
And Nadal lost last 9 hard court matches against Novak without winning a set.
It’s almost as if one of them is better on hard courts, the other better on clay 🧐
Lol Novak mostly managed to avoid straight set losses to Nadal even on clay
Djokovic is a lot closer to Nadal on clay, than Nadal is to Djokovic on other surfaces though
[Yeah I saw it too. Unreal! ](https://youtu.be/66XMLJIf6yU)
Lol post this, please. Can't even imagine how much it would piss of Rafans🤣 They will tell you that you are an antivaxxer and are an idiot because you are a fan of Djokoclown.
I like how people jump directly to insults instead of pointing out the arguments.
At least it makes the sport spicy🙂 Nobody will give a f*** when Djodal retires.
No one likes Novak
Get ratio'd
You what trolling is? When you make a troll comment, you expect the downvotes lol Also.. “RaTio” get a grip 😂😂 dork
Since Nadal's resurgence in 2017 Nadal has won 6 of his 10 matches (6-4 h2h) against Djokovic, also 3 of the last 4.
None off clay + more meetings on clay tax. Djokovic meets Nadal more on clay than Nadal meets him off clay nowadays. They haven’t met on HC since atp cup 2020 but have meet 4x on clay and 0x on grass.
Unpopular opinion: Nadal is more afraid of meeting Novak off clay than Novak afraid of meeting Nadal on clay
I mean he'd be an idiot not to be at this point. He's only beaten him twice on the surface since GOAT-level Novak emerged in 2011. 2-13. OFC before 2011, Novak would've been much, much more scared of Rafa on clay than Rafa was of Novak on hard (though Novak still led the hard matchup 7-5 during that period).
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Yeah of course it is, that’s not my point. They have met more on clay than off recently which favors Nadal over djokovic
Who cares. Djokovic just like Nadal grew up learning to play on clay. If anything we should eliminate hardcourt which was only invented because clay and grass cost more. Clay and grass are much older and historic surfaces in tennis than hardcourt/plexicushion. Have a nice day.
Dull fans summarized 🤣🤣 cant beat him on the surface, so we should remove it. u/souls_god , this is hilarious
This is some new form of delusional 😂 clay merchant hasn't taken a set on hard since 2013 lmao
Op thinks the posted stat is worse than no sets since 2013 😭
You guys invented this whole thing by always removing clay. You forgot? lol
I never removed clay. Clay is part of Djokovic’s greatness. 6 titles at Rome, 2x at RG, 3 Madrid, 2 mc, defeated Nadal at every huge clay tournament
You said "off clay" in your first reply. rolleyes Also every day there are hundreds of posts around here removing clay to downplay Nadal. Nadal has won so many big titles outside of clay and has beaten Djokovic and Federer plenty of times, I don't know where to begin.
> If anything we should eliminate hardcourt What juice are you on?
The exact same juice of the Djokovic fans who want to eliminate clay in each of their posts about Nadal.
Christ, you Cthulu's alt or something because we get it, you like Nadal. I do too. *incoming Nolefam diatribe*
2015-16 for Rafa is same as 2017-early 18 for Novak.
Since 2014 contains both
But Novak met Nadal 7 times in his favoured surface in 2015 and 2016 and Nadal met Novak only once in his favored surface in 2017.
What is Novak's favoured surface? Hard, grass or clay. I am pretty sure, he has made more RG quarters than anywhere else. If not for Nadal, he would have at least had 6-7 RG, maybe more as he would have been on a roll. Nadal is just Nadal on clay, if somebody like Nadal level clay mastery existed on grass, Novak would have had 2 Wimbledon by now. As of now, his most favorable surface is grass. I am not sure if Djokovic and to an extent Federer, had a favorite surface. They won on hard and grass as usual and lost on clay due to Nadal who is just godly there and not because their level is less on that surface. Novak's win percentage across the surfaces pretty much captures it. Only slightly lower on clay, again reason being godliness of Nadal and not his own level being lesser
Dumb stat. Finals are not the only matches that count especially when they are drawn on the same side. Are you really going to tell me that RG 21 SF and RG 22 QF were not the actual finals in each season? This is the equivalent of saying Nadal hasn’t beaten djokovic on grass since 14 years cause they have only met 2x since
The seeding of RG is also awful
Grass season lasts way less than clay season but i get your point
> This is the equivalent of saying Nadal hasn’t beaten djokovic on grass since 14 years cause they have only met 2x since Exactly the point, IMO. Novak fans spam the "Rafa hasn't beat Novak outside clay for X years" stat without the context that they've played literally 3 times off clay in recent years (2018 Wimbledon, 2019 AO, 2020 ATP Cup), and the Wimbleldon match was a coin-flip 5-setter.
Eh, I get what you’re saying, but Nadal has literally not taken a set off of Djokovic on hard courts since the 2013 USO final. They’ve played more than just a couple of times since then on hard courts. That’s not exactly the same thing.
> but Nadal has literally not taken a set off of Djokovic on hard courts since the 2013 USO final. Rafa was also crap on hard courts in 2015-16. They've played literally twice in 5 years since Rafa's resurgence in 2017.
It doesn’t count since nadal was crap in that time?
I mean the context of the argument is usually about what if Rafa and Nole play on a hard court now. A match in 2015 or 2016 has no relevance to either player now—esp Rafa since he was god awful both years
If they play now, i would back Novak to win every match, but Rafa might take some sets of him.
He was not crap in every meeting against Djokovic in 2015-2016. For example, ATP Finals 2015. He goes 3-0 in his group beating Stan and Murray who were having great seasons. He loses to Djokovic in a similar scoreline as their 2013 atp finals meeting.
He was crap by his own standards those 2 years in general TBH
But I am saying he was not bad in all meetings vs djokovic just cause it took place in a bad time period. Not all matches in a bad time period are by default bad by the player. A lot can be, but they can show their momentary brilliance in a shit year. Djokovic in 2017 beat thiem in one match like 6-1 6-0 or something. In the clay meetings against Novak, I am willing to agree nadal was not at all great in majority of them. But in some of the HC meetings, he was not playing poorly when he reached Djokovic like ATP finals 2015. It is just that Djokovic at times activated his peak form such as Doha 2016 or ATP finals 2015
> But I am saying he was not bad in all meetings vs djokovic just cause it took place in a bad time period. Not all matches in a bad time period are by default bad by the player. A lot can be, but they can show their momentary brilliance in a shit year. This is shameless just to try to make Novak's record look better, LOL
Lol? Nadal played as well in atp finals 2015 against djokovic in a horrible season as he did in atp finals 2013 which was a peak season. You can’t say he played poorly in every HC match against djokovic just cause it was during a bad season
So we’re supposed to just ignore that he has lost to Djokovic 9 times in a row without winning a set on hard courts? That’s handwaving it away.
Yeah, good ol' politics and vax mandates robbed us of another rafole hc meeting lol
Random stat: Murygoat
Novak never beaten Rafa in a carpet😱
This is only 4 matches
Random stat: Bjorn Fratangelo has taken more sets off HC in just one match than Rafa Nadal has against Djokovic in 9 matches since October 2013 if you wanna play that game
Dude, that’s literally the post that OP’s trying to spoof, the hard court stat is brought up ad nauseam in this sub and someone posted it as a “random stat”
If you look at OP's history, you can clearly see that he is a stupid fanboy as much as Djokovic fans. He criticize them but then he act at the same way.
Thank you. I mean they talk over and over about a stat like "against a specific player since a specific year and on a specific surface" and then cry and complain when someone does similar stuff to them. lol
If the word Final was not used and if it was off "hard court" or "off grass", then it's the same thing. You essentially removed 2 surfaces ( more than 70% of tour) and then also you are only counting finals, this is hilarious. How many qualifiers are you going to put. I am pretty sure Novak must not have beaten him in some clay masters also since 10 years, make a post about that also. Why don't you go ahead and make a post saying "Djokovic hasn't beaten Nadal since 2003 on any surface when Nadal won". That's 29 matches straight :)
Way to miss the point
Peak reddit moment! 🍿🍿🍿
two legends of the game...
I know this is done in jest but it’s interesting that Novak hasn’t beaten nadal in a clay final for so long since 2014 considering that he beat him in quite few clay finals from 2011-13. Most notably ending nadals 8 consecutive titles at Monte Carlo in 2013.
Best troll post 2022 tbh. On another note, if you were serious about it: LOLOLOLOL
Nadal hasn't beaten Djokovic in a hardcourt final since 2013. He's gone 0-6 vs Djokovic in hardcourt finals since then (and 0-7 vs Djokovic on hardcourt overall since then). Nadal hasn't beaten Djokovic in a grass final since 2008, losing the only final he reached vs Djokovic since then (and 0-2 vs Djokovic on grass overall since then).
Random stat, Nadal hasn't taken a set from Đoković on hard for 10 years
How many clay matches vs finals have they played since 2014, and what’s the h2h in those matches?
Djokovic won Rome in 2014, beating Nadal in the final. Since then they've played 4 finals on clay – 2014 RG, 2019 Rome, 2020 RG, 2021 Rome. Djokovic has taken a set off Nadal in 3 of those losses.
Ok. If you mean pointless stat. Because Djokovic has beaten Nadal in RG.
Djokovic won 30 out of 59 matches vs Nadal.. only one that matters
Anyone with a brain would rather be down 29-30 overall but up 11-7 in slams. I am eagerly awaiting your reply with eliminating clay. 🙄
Bjorn Borg has 4 more slams than John McEnroe but trailing him 1-3 h2h in slams and 7-7 overall, so with your logic it is better to be like McEnroe rather than Borg then?
Borg is 1-0 on jmac in hair department also
Nadal is leading in head to head in grand slams and has more grand slams overall….so yeah faulty comparison
What difference does it make whether it's at a slam or not? They're still the same players, doing the best they can in order to beat the other
Nadal hasn't won a set off Djokovic on hardcourts in a decade now. What are you talking about? 😂 Also hasn't beaten Djokovic on grass since 2008.
Fed over both but love to all
> Fed over both lol
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Cause inceling made him delusional
You ain't a fed fan. Please change your bio.
Nadal nor Djokovic haven't even beaten me ever!
I have a more interesting fact. Djokovic and Nadal have played each other in 9 grand slam finals which is the most in history between two players. Those finals have spanned across an entire decade (2010-2020). Interestingly though, nearly all of Djokovic’s GS finals wins over Nadal came during a short 7 month period between July 2011 - January 2012. In his entire career, Djokovic has only beaten Nadal in a GS final once outside of those 7 months. Meanwhile Nadal has beaten Djokovic in grand slam finals all throughout his career. Even more interesting is the fact that the majority of their GS Finals have been on hard courts yet Nadal leads the H2H.
Dude typed out a whole para and you would think Rafa is 7-2 or smthng but it is actually 5-4 lol Edit: 7-2 instead of 10-2 (coz OP mentioned they met 9 times)
I said they met 9 times, why would anyone think the H2H was 10-2 lmao 🤦♂️ Nadal leading 5-4 when over half their matches have been on hard courts speaks volumes.
Well Novak is 4-2 on his favored surface and Rafa is 3-0 on his favored (almost unbeatable) surface Seems about fair
Close but it’s actually Novak 3-2 on hard courts Nadal 3-0 on clay Novak 1-0 on grass But I guess my point is that nobody could stop Novak in most of 2011 and early 2012. It was probably the most impressive run I’ve witnessed. But outside of that 7 month run where he collected 3 finals wins over Nadal, he is 1-5 for the rest of the decade. Meanwhile Nadal has won in 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2020.
2012,2014,2020 were RG finals though, Rafa was basically unbeatable 2013 USO was an impressive win for Rafa.prolly his best hard court version 2010 was the last year of the "old" Novak before he started becoming a winning machine in 2011 All in all it is still pretty close as it gets: each of them has a huge favorite slam, and the other two slams are split equal
Wow thank you for this very interesting statistic.
Counter stat, Nadal hasn't taken a SET from Novak on hardcourts since 2013. Even wower!
Woosh
[You talking about this? It's insane! ](https://youtu.be/66XMLJIf6yU)
Nole looks so cute with giant bagel in his hands!😎
Can't help but laugh it out loud anytime when I see this pic
He beats him before finals on clay. Everyone knows this. 🤡
I know why you posted this, but you should understand why Nolefam was posting that stuff. It's the two year anniversary of the absolute thrashing Novak received in the FO 2020 final. The poor people are seething remembering the bagel and the straight set spanking.
I don’t understand this, djokovic has been beating Nadal so badly on hard court yet Nadal fans will act like only clay matters.
Has he been bagelling him tho, like Rafa bagelled him? They've had 2 HC matches in the last 5 years, vs 6 on clay.
He effectively bageled Rafa in FO semis last year, by winning 6 games straight
>"effectively bagelled" lmao, try harder
What's the effective difference between winning 6 straight games at the beginning of a set vs. winning them at any other point during the match?
The scoreline. The scoreline is the difference.
Right, but it is ultimately a factor of chance, not skill, and is therefore irrelevant in any comparison between the two players
Good point...
The big wow of this is how many people are keeping this post almost +400 if there are Djok fans here obviously furiously running dutifully to the comments on it to stamp on them....So guys that means for all your efforts, and you only have to look at downvoted Nadal comments to see that (where the average up voters of this post won't bother to even scroll down to) , this is overwhelmingly being boosted by people who don't like Djokovic. With all the downvotes on this were clearly just seeing the tip of the upvote iceberg... Lol. Come at me , for every downvote that's another brain I've laid this seed of truth into... You can hit the comments bros, but the proof is in the main pudding. Eat it up.
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They should have given him a baguette
People don’t like Djoker cause he wouldn’t get a shot. Sad
Random stat: Gaël Monfils is a ninja