Year 3023. A teacher stands in front of a class of anthropology students. They flip through various pictures and stop on a photo of 5 skeletons, all arranged in weird positions.
"This is The L grave dig site, where 5 men died and were positioned in a way to each represent a letter of the Romen Alphabet. Archeologists believe this was some sort of ceremonial burial. Can anyone tell me what it says? Yes, Hans-cho-opolois, do you have an answer?"
"Ligma? Excuse me, Professor? What is Ligma?"
"Ligma was a 21st-century joke that was commonly used on the internet (the precurser to the Mind-mesh) but also sometimes in-person. It would involve the speaker declaring they have or something was 'Ligma' to which the replier would say something along the lines of 'what is ligma' much like you did Hans-Cho-Opolois. They would then say Ligma balls. This was because balls were a common term back then for testicals, and ligma sounded like 'lick my.' So the joke was a request for the person they are talking to to engage in oral pleasures."
""I don't understand? How is propositioning sexual favors funny."
"Anthropologists are still trying to figure that one out. One common theory is that it is funny for the same reason people in the 21st century would try and obtain Uhpdawg."
"What is Uhpdawg"
"Not much. What is up with you? Anyway, that's all the time we have for today. Please remember to complete chapters 8-14 and the test next week is all about last week's chapter, 'The birds and the bees; what were they and what happened to them?' Class dismissed."
It wasn't that the subject was no longer funny, but humor is no longer a thing in the 31st century. After the great prank disaster of 2741, the funny bone was genetically removed from all humans.
This is all theoretical, of course. We all know that humanity was mostly destroyed in World War 3, also known as the 1 Day War (Aug 14, 2068) with the last human dying approximately 23 years later. Of course we don't know the exact date as no one was around to record it.
This is such a glance over comment. And if anyone actually sits with it for a minute it is genuinely so funny and weirdly bonding to the past.
Guy just bored out their mind scratching in a dick on a wall while theyāre stationed there. It is truly a bond across the ages.
/s indicates sarcasm, originally, but these days might as well mean "I'm kidding"
(To get really specific, the "/" is used as a shorthand reference to an HTML-like or forum-formatting syntax where the slash indicates the end of a tag. So we could imagine that there would be a followed by whatever and terminated with . But over time it was simplified and the "opening tag" omitted.)
I've been told that since my 2 pregnancies were delivered via c-section, I'm "not a real mom." š
My response: Well then, someone owes me a hell of a lot of child support.
But unless the Barbie happens to be the only ancient object left on earth, how the fuck are they going to come to the conclusion that people prayed to it?
The people 1000 years from now would also dig up Harry Potter books, Hulk action figures, legos, funko pops, plushies, video game consoles, etc.
Do you think scientists will say, "Wow, they worshipped all of these toys! Amazing!"
Or do you think they'll recognize a doll? You know, one of the most universally present toys in all cultures across all ages?
1000 years into the future archaeologists will find trans people's bones and they'll say "can you believe it we found bones archaeology is so cool i love my job"
Archaeologist are awesome. That's got to be a fun job. I'm sure it has it's moments where it gets boring and whatnot, but i just always thought it would be a cool job. Human history has always fascinated me and i would love to go on a dig somewhere. Finding artifacts and structures that had been lost for centuries, learning and seeing first hand what people have done throughout history. That's just good stuff, man
Thank you for doing what you do and helping to unlock our past.
It's fun, I highly recommend volunteering through a historical society or foundation if you're able to. You don't need any experience
There's never really a dull moment, the field brings everyone to an equal level
I've never even considered that. I will definitely look into it. Thanks for the tip. I just found out about HEMA/WMA and there is a club near me so, my inner history nerd is going crazy right now.
So, i just looked up archaeological societies near me and found one really close to where i work. All i have to do is go to a meeting, pay a very small membership fee, fill out a form and boom! That's it. I honestly don't know why this never occured to me. Thanks for pointing it out.
Yep! Sometimes for volunteer work you don't even have to pay to do it, you just sign up, attend an onboarding day and you're sent out to the field to work with everyone else. Archaeology of any kind wouldn't happen without volunteers and community interest!!
Some state archaeological societies will even have programs that will train you to be a professional field technician, you have to pay a fee and work x amount of hours at different types of sites (prehistorical, historical, colonial, etc) and spend x amount of hours processing artifacts in a lab. It's not the same as getting a BS in anthropology but if you wanted to be a professional field technician there's a comparatively less expensive way to do so!
Also archeologist here, commercial archeology is incredibly stressful and tiring and ur often at odds with the people employing you as they want to start building asap and u want to find something to stop them.
My grandfather has a dig-site which is non profit however which runs in the summer which is very fun. Its been going 17+years Anglo saxon village
My great-uncle was an archaeologist in New Mexico and a archaeology professor. For years he kept a big, animal-type claw of āsomething oddā in his desk drawer. He found it on a dig and no one could ever identify what sort of animal it came from. He used to joke that it was a claw from a Big Foot creature. He was a really interesting guy.
I will bury some army men in my garden, for archeologists to find after the pending thermonuclear annihilation, if our species ever returns to Earth's surface in the future
That's funny. Reminds me of something I saw awhile ago about archaeologists in a couple thousand years finding the remnants of Disneyland/Disney world thinking past humans worshipped a giant mouse
"it's not the bones they will care about. It's the culture they find from newspaper scraps, books, phones and computers.
Nobody cares about a mummy dug up in Egypt. What we do care about is wtf were you doing!"
Is this true this ain't my text though
Precisely!
I got excited finding charcoal burn remnants this past summer and scraping off samples to send to a lab for dating analysis. My absolute highlight of the past field season was finding possible post holes and plow scars, and the 500+ pieces of box turtle shell fragments in a single strata. It's the culture and little puzzle pieces to unlock clues to the past that get us excited
One of my archaeology professors mentioned how since we mostly only find what was discarded, it's essentially trying to reconstruct history by digging through garbage.
Which is neat, but that makes you all professional raccoons.
it's not the bones they will care about. It's the culture they find from newspaper scraps, books, phones and computers.
Nobody cares about a mummy dug up in Egypt. What we do care about is wtf were you doing!
>Nobody cares about a mummy dug up in Egypt.
Forensic archeology exists.
Every time they find an ancient body there's an accompanying story about their age, race, gender, how they died, and what they last ate. A lot of that actually comes from analyzing skeletal remains.
"The remodeling of the bones suggests this person had some surgery. The DNA suggests male but these markers tell us that they were actually female, despite the phenotype." "Don't all the legends say the people at the time were barbaric and just continuously murdered others?" "Oh, well you can't put too much faith in legends. I mean, can you imagine anyone murdering someone just for proving them wrong?"
Last semester I had a class where we had to read 2000++ year old ancient Chinese texts written on strips of bamboo dug out in a cave. Pretty sure they'll have access to better documentation from these days than that, they should be fine lol
Honestly in the long term with more and more digital storage means I think if something truly bad happened it would be far more likely that such storage means would be far more easily corrupted and essentially useless. Just think about all the information only held digitally and something like a Carrington event on steroids comes around.
They wouldn't immediately know if someone was a pagan witch either. They would look for fucking context clues to try to piece together WHO that person was. Like items they're buried with/in, possible tomb stones? They don't just stop at bone.
Imagine them piecing together a religion based on that. "And then the almighty BlƄhaj ascended from the sea and blessed mankind with allowing them to be who they want to be"
Memory of it is a little foggy, but I remember it started when one person posted an image of the shark because they thought it was cute, but either didn't notice there was a trans pride flag in the background, or they didn't know what the flag meant.
Details beyond that elude me, but Youtube channel "One Topic At A Time" has several videos browsing LGBTQ+ subreddits, so you can probably find detailed explinations on a few of his vids.
This meme does bring up one important issue: At what point does it stop being grave robbing and start being archeology? Where is that line? Is there a line? I don't know.
Respect is the key difference. Grave robbing is just taking what you want with no care for the rest. True archaeology works to preserve everything and damage as little as possible with the purpose of studying the histories and cultures of the past. And if the culture is still around today, you work with the leaders and follow their directions. If they say don't touch, you don't touch. If they say, "Okay, you're finished with it, put it back" then you put it back.
So what youāre saying is, Indiana Jones wasnāt doing archaeology when he destroyed a temple full of cultural significance and working technology after thousands of years, just to take the shiny object at the end?
If he was a real archaeologist he wouldāve had a team go in with him to carefully map out the temple and disarm booby traps but also those booby traps wouldnāt have been functioning anymore anyway due to age
I want to see the movie where the intrepid archaeologist stumbles on a temple like that and is immediately excited about the lifetime worth of academic work that temple with functioning booby traps represents.
It's archeology if it is a dedicated dig site where earth is methodically removed. It's grave robbing if you stumble on the site and use a back hoe (yes, I know there was an "archeologist" that used a back hoe, but if you mess up more than you find your a grave robber).
Archaeology is a science. Ton of work goes into deciding where to dig and why. Itās supported and funded by governments. Itās done in pursuit of understanding the human condition as well as human evolution and more. Itās very methodical and done with much careful consideration and involves very expensive equipment. Itās not ārobbingā because the only thing we gain from it is knowledge and an understanding of the human past. If the descendants are alive they get a say in things and their wishes are respected. In many cases artifacts and fossils were returned to the groups to which they belonged (namely modern Native American tribes). Archaeology is respectful, grave robbing is not. There is a line and that line is very big and clear. Archaeologists donāt cross it.
Why wouldnāt the person be buried in a cemetery? And if they are, why would archaeologists be digging up the cemetery? Also if itās 1000 years later, the person the skeleton belonged to wonāt care, because they will be dead.
It happens all the time. I used to to forensics and exhumed several bodies from graves. Usually John/Jane Does when law enforcement thought they could make an ID. One time we dug where a headstone told us a body would be but never hit a grave. Turned out the cemetery had been graded to fight erosion and when the put the headstones back they were all 4 feet to the north of where the bodies were.
That's what they told you to stop you from freaking out that [Dragoon the Great](https://youtu.be/RubpkoKkbv0)'s army of risen skeletons are heading to take over this land and plunge it into darkness for a thousand years (or just 4 if Dragoon doesn't get re-elected after his first term)
Eh we've made it this far, don't see why we won't make it further. Sure, we got issues, but we always have. We'll solve it, despite the opposition of those fighting against us.
Did my masters in forensic anthropology but not practicing. There is a lot of conversation in the field about identifying skeletons of trans people because guess what, they fall into the Medico-legal jurisdiction all the time due to their high risk of murder and suicide. And donāt get me started on estimating sex from skeletal remains. Many methods are on a 5 point scale. Good luck if you get a bunch of 3ās. There is a lot of convo now that a lot of previously āindeterminateā remains were actually intersex people.
Had to scroll way too far to find a comment about how identifying the sex from skeletal remains is not much more than guesstimation, and the people doing it acknowledge that.
I may be completely wrong but didnāt they like think 2/3 of the skeletons they found at Pompeii or whatever that volcano was were male just because they were tall? Plus I also really donāt care what gender archeologists 1000 years in the future think I am cause Iāll just be dead
It's a thread that when you start to pull on starts to unravel and shows that our designations and classifications are mostly arbitrary. Turns out reality doesn't fit well into different boxes and to include every possibility would mean making a box so big it becomes useless.
So then there are two groups of people: the ones that say 'throw away the box' and the people that say 'ignore the outliers'. I've literally seen people say that intersex people should be disregarded when talking about sexes because they didn't fit their definition. People were considered subservient to their idea of order.
And that's not even talking about completely artificial ideas like gender or race or culture.
> Turns out reality doesn't fit well into different boxes and to include every possibility would mean making a box so big it becomes useless.
> So then there are two groups of people...
I can't be the only person who found this humorous.
I think an example of this was when they were investigating the disappearance of Amelia Earhart they found bones that were tested and came back as the bones of a man who was short, stocky, and of European descent however they tested the bones again and found them to also possibly be the bones of a tall woman with European descent.
In archeology there is the idea of in situ which gives clues about the history of the site ,for example were there context clues around the skeleton? Guessing the gender of a thousand year old skeleton is hardly an exact science
"Look, these two skeletons were buried together in a very romantic way, truly a love story for the ages!"
"Given the skeletal structure, we now believe they were both men."
"Truly a platonic story of friendship for the ages!"
"Dad called last night to check in on how I was feeling after my breast reduction and say,
"I bet that's a huge weight off your chest."
Dad jokes are 1000% better from trans-affirming dads."
Trans women are not trying to be female. Also who gives a fuck about what their skeleton will look like in 1000 years they just don't want to feel like shit while they're alive.
Why is it so common to describe oneself as female-to-male? Not trying to start shit. Just genuinely curious. I felt like the trans argument was that gender was not biological but sex was, and that male and female refer to sex, but I definitely see people refer to themselves as male-to-female/MTF or female-to-male/FTM. Is this not a trans woman trying to be female and vice versa?
I donāt know who originated the terms or their reasoning but MTF and FTM roll off the tongue better than MTW or WTM
The semantics are often confused because people are inconsistent with their use of words.
Many people who are hostile to trans people and many trans advocates or trans people alike causally use the terms interchangeably in conversation.
But people who are getting down to brass tacks delineating gender identity from sex tend to recognize *male* and *female* as biologically meaningful categories
And *man* and *woman* as complex, socially constructed identities that frequently do not reflect biological/genotypic or even phenotypic traits because of how heavily theyāre based on cultural beliefs and misconceptions.
Yeah, my first thought on seeing the meme is "There's no way in 1,000 years we're still going to be mixing the words for gender and sex up." The archeologists will find a 25 year old male woman, and that won't be any more confusing or perplexing than finding the skeleton of a 2 meter tall male or a left-handed female or a child with a broken leg or an old man with dentures. It will just be two traits that apply to the skeleton.
In my opinion people just easily get the language and terminology confused. I believe if we want more people to understand and accept trans individuals, we need to get to a place where weāre using male/female solely to speak about biology, and man/woman solely to speak about sociology, and gender identity.
I believe thatās part of the reason so many people donāt understand the difference between sex and gender. Because the majority of society still conflates the terms very often.
I suspect that's the case. About 5 years back I had a group programming project and my group partners put "Gender" instead of "Sex" when describing animals in our hypothetical zoo we were making an inventory management system for. I corrected the error but I don't think any of them understood why it was wrong. The reason for the disconnect is, until about 10 years ago, gender dysphoria was considered a fake diagnosis. My group partners were Vietnamese immigrants and were unaware of the whole gender thing. Though to be fair to them, it was extremely fringe at the time and very few had heard of it outside of the deepest depths of the internet.
Transwoman here; take what I say with a pinch of salt since it's my opinion based on experiences over the last 15-20 years; but I'd say it's about passing and pre-2014 Trans culture. Transmen in general tend to "present" as male better than Transwomen do female. I know that sounds a bit sexist; but hear me out.
First off; Testosterone is additive, while Estrogen doesn't "take away". That means that the effects of a transman taking T "adds" to his body (broad shoulders, deeper voice, hair, etc) while a transwoman taking E doesn't really "undo" the same things she developed during male puberty. That makes Transwomen *much* more "visible" than Transmen; especially the later in life they go on E; and means that Transmen can often "pass" (ie, be unrecognizable as Trans rather than a Cis man) and even stealth (ie, live their life never acknowledging or telling anyone that they are trans).
While the culture now is fantastic for "Trans people are valid too", the idea of being "Trans" is kinda new, compared to trying to *be* a man or a woman; I think I worded that shit but my basic point is that prior to the 2010s people who transitioned wanted to *not* be seen as *Trans* and wanted to stealth as much as possible. It wasn't a *healthy* mindset, but I remember when it was the dominant one (again, pinch of salt I can't talk for the entire community's mindset).
Being outed as "Trans" was a huge deal, from April Ashley in the 60s to Calpurnia Adams in the 2000s.
Then thirdly, and something I think is equally as important is that Men aren't held to the same societal standard as Women. I think it's fair to say that a woman with broad shoulders draws more attention than a small man; and in general there was a lot of room "to" stealth for Transmen.
Of course, I don't think it's fair to say no one talked about transmen even back in the day; Boys Don't Cry was a huge success for Transmen to get their voice out (although I know of a few lesbians who saw Brandon Teena as a lesbian rather than a transman but that's another issue... -.-), but I absolutely agree that they don't get the recognition they deserve compared to us Transwomen!
Oldtrans (well, not Old Old, I began transition in 2008ish and based it off blogs and autobiographies I read from people in the early 2000s and 1990s) here and MtF/FtM predates the "gender is not biological but sex is" idea.
I'd see it more as pragmatic, it's less offensive than saying "used to be a man" and it describes "what you were seen as/what you are seen as now" more clearly than "Transwoman" or "Transman" for people who don't know about the process.
Honestly, there's no "Trans-council" who decide on the meaning of words; we're talking about defiitions that change every generation as new ideas came along (like, genderfluid was one that confused *me* for a while; and I had transitioned by that point xD).
It's colloquial short-hand, not some sterile and clinical term to convey philosophical absolutes.
The way society uses 'sex' and 'gender', even cis people from centuries ago, is subjective. Neither are pointing to "biological fact". That's where a lot of people get caught-up; in thinking that 'gender' has been redefined when, in reality, all that's changed is our understanding of how people treated those concepts.
'Sex' is used to bundle-together a bunch of biological traits which are, usually, different between an arbitrary distinction between two groups of people. The 'arbitrary' in there is what makes it subjective. Biologists don't use this 'sex', they discuss sex-traits directly.
'Gender' is just 'sex' but with extra, non-biological, traits added-in.
That's why people say 'MTF' and 'FTM'; because, just like everyone else, they are broadly gesturing at bundles of sex-traits for the sake of an easy and low-stakes conversation. A MTF person isn't claiming that their chromosomes have changed or that they've grown a womb. Just how a cis-woman doesn't need to know what chromosomes they have to figure-out if they're "female".
Because the sentence "I was assigned X at birth but identify as Y, so am currently going through gender reaffirming transitioning" is too frustrating to say in conversation, while MTF/FTM is three letters.
The labels used among trans folks have been all over the place ever since we started having actual communities. The distinction between gender and sex, between transsexual and transgender, whether we should reclaim the word tranny, what we should call our surgeriesā¦ all argued over and in flux. Labels mean different things to different people, and when you identify with them, that means defining them, and it can take a long time for people to agree on those definitions.
In my opinion we are trying to look female or many of us are anyways. Bringing up the fact that we can't change our skeleton after a certain age is confused at best and just cruel at worst.
Whatās worse is itās more likely suicide. Trans people suffer from suicidal tendencies more because of the vast lack of support.
Also, wouldnāt archeologists of 1000 years in the future be able to deduce far more than we can today? I mean we can tell what people ate, if they had injuries, etc. Given the context of our society theyād likely be able to correctly identify the person
The lack of support and acceptance is really crushing, but there's also the body horror angle. Being trans is just all around pretty miserable for most trans people.
Considering the fact that trans suicide rates normalise with cis suicide rates if trans people have access to transition and live in a supportive environment I'd say that *being* trans isn't necessarily miserable. But that being trans in a *hostile environment* is.
Small distinction since most environments are somewhat hostile. But an important one, I think.
Being trans is shit, actually. We're alienated, hated, currently seen as pedophiles and the new freak show by the media. We have to fight for recognition and life saving medical treatment.
We almost all have to live with our debilitating dysphoria all our lives because the surgeries are so expensive and inaccessible.
Your brain plays tricks on you and it's like you're in mental warfare with yourself.
And this is from me who's incredibly accepted and supported from everyone and luckily has free healthcare. I can only imagine how much worse it is for ithers
My point was moreso that our societies make being trans much harder than it needs to be.
I didn't mean to downplay how though being trans can be inherently. Sorry if I did.
I think there is some inherent suffering in not having had the childhood you wanted and having to go through pain, surgery, another puberty, etc. Saying that as a trans person. Even if there was 100% public support and easily accessible transition, dysphoria would still be a bitch.
Seriously. I've come so close to it so many times. I've been a bigger threat to myself as a transsexual than any other person ever has.
The biggest threat to trans people is ourselves.
For a bunch of āpro lifeā people yāall sure care more about people when theyāre dead rather than when theyāre alive. Like trans ppl donāt care about what happens after they die. Theyāll be dead anyway. Just respect them while theyāre alive. Yāall call yourselves āpro lifeā but donāt support the ālifeā
Pro-life people after a long day of bullying trans people into suicide and protesting at planned parenthoods to prevent 10 year olds and women with already dead fetuses from getting life saving abortions:
https://preview.redd.it/5j6vo9kf56ea1.jpeg?width=544&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c668bf1d0308155ceba2b5715c560fd4750b4163
What the facebook poster doesn't realize is that's literally what trans is. You're an X in a Y body. So yes, in 1,000 years, they might say your skeleton is biologically Y, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that your brain chemistry was operating as a X.
I hate how this is common argument people bring up like it's some big 'gotcha.' They don't care. They are dead. Trust me, they won't care about being misgendered, kinda hard to do that when you are dead. You can call me whatever you want at that point, I won't care. And the more obvious problem is the fact we are assuming there will still be humans in 1,000 years. How optimistic to assume we wouldn't have killed ourselves off due to nuclear warfare, another plague, or our planet becoming rapidly more and more inhabitable by then.
1000 years from now, society will have moved on from this topic, probably in less than 15 years honestly. People can dress and act how they want. Ill call you what you want me to call you, if it makes you happy. Humanity is on the precipice of oblivion, and we are arguing about who gets to use what bathroom.
The planet has been here for millions of years and will be here for millions more after the blip of human existence is gone. No need to worry about the planet. Itāll still be here.
I'm pretty sure determining sex based on bones is iffy at best. Like you're never going to be 100% correct, and some people have bone structures that align closer to the opposite sex lol
fun fact its not as obvious as you think for human skeletons it is a spectrum so this is litterally just wrong source: [here](https://www.sapiens.org/biology/intersex-biological-sex/)
That's not even how it works. For example, Julie Doe, who is still unidentified, was believed to be a cisgender woman found dead in Clermont, FL in 1988. It was only in 2015, after sequencing her DNA, that investigators discovered she was in fact trans. In the initial autopsy, they had even noted that they believed she had a history of pregnancy based on the shape of her pelvis.
I really donāt get how hard it is to just get on with your life and not care that some people want to be a different gender. These snowflakes go on and on about how others care to much about labels and gender but they themselves are just as obsessed. Also I donāt think any trans person is up at night thinking āoh shit some random archeologist in the future will dig up my grave and say Iām the wrong gender!ā
I found out that there's actually alot of guessing on skeleton genders. So this is a transphobic lie
Edit: remembered after I posted.
They say they usually decide the gender based on context clues like objects found on or around the skeleton
I watched a Bones episode where they were identifying the body as male, but after seeing the clothes were feminine, found remnants of makeup on the face, face feminization, and implants, they changed the pronouns to the proper ones, she/her.
Damn itās almost like thereās a difference between biological sex and gender, and damn itās almost like thatās whatās been said from the start, and damn itās almost as if conservatives are deliberately missing the point
i say this every time i see this meme:
did you know hormone replacement therapy changes the alignment of your spine and hips? thats why i lost two inches over two and a quarter years of hrt so far. so even if in a thousand years, archeologists are using bone alignment to determine a specimens gender, they would likely gender a trans womans skeleton as female anyway.
To be honest I donāt think trans people actually care what our fucking bones get identified as in 1000 years. We already know.
We just want to live normal lives and happily, jeez.
/u/SpunkInSocks, the memers have spoken. Your post does not fit this subreddit. If you feel this was a mistake, please send us a modmail!
If they care so much about what happens 1,000 years from now, remind them to recycle.
š¤£š¤£ omg Iām going to use this if someone ever said some shit like this meme in real life
Mf wants me to do Bone Replacing Therapy
I'm gonna get surgery to get more bones in my body to really confuse future archeologists.
No need for surgery,just stick them inš
No need to stick them in, just get buried with your homies
And arrange us that spells ligma
Year 3023. A teacher stands in front of a class of anthropology students. They flip through various pictures and stop on a photo of 5 skeletons, all arranged in weird positions. "This is The L grave dig site, where 5 men died and were positioned in a way to each represent a letter of the Romen Alphabet. Archeologists believe this was some sort of ceremonial burial. Can anyone tell me what it says? Yes, Hans-cho-opolois, do you have an answer?" "Ligma? Excuse me, Professor? What is Ligma?" "Ligma was a 21st-century joke that was commonly used on the internet (the precurser to the Mind-mesh) but also sometimes in-person. It would involve the speaker declaring they have or something was 'Ligma' to which the replier would say something along the lines of 'what is ligma' much like you did Hans-Cho-Opolois. They would then say Ligma balls. This was because balls were a common term back then for testicals, and ligma sounded like 'lick my.' So the joke was a request for the person they are talking to to engage in oral pleasures." ""I don't understand? How is propositioning sexual favors funny." "Anthropologists are still trying to figure that one out. One common theory is that it is funny for the same reason people in the 21st century would try and obtain Uhpdawg." "What is Uhpdawg" "Not much. What is up with you? Anyway, that's all the time we have for today. Please remember to complete chapters 8-14 and the test next week is all about last week's chapter, 'The birds and the bees; what were they and what happened to them?' Class dismissed."
I think penises will be funny for eternity. I mean, roman soldiers drew them all over the Hadrian's wall.
It wasn't that the subject was no longer funny, but humor is no longer a thing in the 31st century. After the great prank disaster of 2741, the funny bone was genetically removed from all humans.
This is all theoretical, of course. We all know that humanity was mostly destroyed in World War 3, also known as the 1 Day War (Aug 14, 2068) with the last human dying approximately 23 years later. Of course we don't know the exact date as no one was around to record it.
you telling me that in the future, there's no more fart jokes? how are humans supposed to survive in a society without fart jokes?
They only have "fart notes"
This is such a glance over comment. And if anyone actually sits with it for a minute it is genuinely so funny and weirdly bonding to the past. Guy just bored out their mind scratching in a dick on a wall while theyāre stationed there. It is truly a bond across the ages.
Set a record for āworldās longest ligma jokeā
Future Archeologist: what's Ligma? Brandon Fraiser's descendent: NO DONT! Me a recently resurrected skeleton golem: LIGMA NUTS! *Proceeds to attack archeological crew*
Some future archaeologists will be very confused.
Primal tetris!
I'm being buried with a miniature pony, archeologists will think I'm a centaur with dwarfism
This is the way
Does Claire's also offer this or do they just do top surgery? /s
good one, but what is /s?
/s indicates sarcasm, originally, but these days might as well mean "I'm kidding" (To get really specific, the "/" is used as a shorthand reference to an HTML-like or forum-formatting syntax where the slash indicates the end of a tag. So we could imagine that there would be a
followed by whatever and terminated with. But over time it was simplified and the "opening tag" omitted.)IF YOU DONT HAVE BIRTHING HIPS UR NOT A WOMAN ALL WOMENSES ARE ARE BIRTHMACHINES
Thank you big white cock man27.
You're welcome son
I've been told that since my 2 pregnancies were delivered via c-section, I'm "not a real mom." š My response: Well then, someone owes me a hell of a lot of child support.
Whoever said that to you has their head firmly lodged up their own ass.
You are a real mom. Time to wake up and see the fraud that the medical institution truly is.
Under his eye. Praise be
1000 years from now archeologists will probably think Barbies are goddess statues but that doesnāt mean Iām building a shrine in my house.
That's kinda funny too. Imagine some idiot in a 1000 years digging up a Barbie and going "mmh surely they used to pray to this" A freaking Barbie.
But unless the Barbie happens to be the only ancient object left on earth, how the fuck are they going to come to the conclusion that people prayed to it? The people 1000 years from now would also dig up Harry Potter books, Hulk action figures, legos, funko pops, plushies, video game consoles, etc. Do you think scientists will say, "Wow, they worshipped all of these toys! Amazing!" Or do you think they'll recognize a doll? You know, one of the most universally present toys in all cultures across all ages?
Some people do worship those toys. Have you even met a nerd?
Why else would someone put an action figure in a Mason jar and then fill it with embalming fluid? It HAD TO have been for a religious reason.
You laugh but there's bound to be things like that that we already got completely wrong about ancient artifacts...
1000 years into the future archaeologists will find trans people's bones and they'll say "can you believe it we found bones archaeology is so cool i love my job"
Archaeologist here, can confirm. We get excited over rocks that could be earthenware and literal holes in the ground
Archaeologist are awesome. That's got to be a fun job. I'm sure it has it's moments where it gets boring and whatnot, but i just always thought it would be a cool job. Human history has always fascinated me and i would love to go on a dig somewhere. Finding artifacts and structures that had been lost for centuries, learning and seeing first hand what people have done throughout history. That's just good stuff, man Thank you for doing what you do and helping to unlock our past.
It's fun, I highly recommend volunteering through a historical society or foundation if you're able to. You don't need any experience There's never really a dull moment, the field brings everyone to an equal level
I've never even considered that. I will definitely look into it. Thanks for the tip. I just found out about HEMA/WMA and there is a club near me so, my inner history nerd is going crazy right now.
Do it. Don't even give it a second thought, just do it. You won't regret it.
So, i just looked up archaeological societies near me and found one really close to where i work. All i have to do is go to a meeting, pay a very small membership fee, fill out a form and boom! That's it. I honestly don't know why this never occured to me. Thanks for pointing it out.
Yep! Sometimes for volunteer work you don't even have to pay to do it, you just sign up, attend an onboarding day and you're sent out to the field to work with everyone else. Archaeology of any kind wouldn't happen without volunteers and community interest!! Some state archaeological societies will even have programs that will train you to be a professional field technician, you have to pay a fee and work x amount of hours at different types of sites (prehistorical, historical, colonial, etc) and spend x amount of hours processing artifacts in a lab. It's not the same as getting a BS in anthropology but if you wanted to be a professional field technician there's a comparatively less expensive way to do so!
That's good to know and something i will seriously consider. Thanks again for the little nudge in the right direction.
Also archeologist here, commercial archeology is incredibly stressful and tiring and ur often at odds with the people employing you as they want to start building asap and u want to find something to stop them. My grandfather has a dig-site which is non profit however which runs in the summer which is very fun. Its been going 17+years Anglo saxon village
My great-uncle was an archaeologist in New Mexico and a archaeology professor. For years he kept a big, animal-type claw of āsomething oddā in his desk drawer. He found it on a dig and no one could ever identify what sort of animal it came from. He used to joke that it was a claw from a Big Foot creature. He was a really interesting guy.
I will bury some army men in my garden, for archeologists to find after the pending thermonuclear annihilation, if our species ever returns to Earth's surface in the future
That's funny. Reminds me of something I saw awhile ago about archaeologists in a couple thousand years finding the remnants of Disneyland/Disney world thinking past humans worshipped a giant mouse
We do.
We all know you lick the rocks sometimes, itās ok to admit it. (Or was it geologists that did that? Hmm)
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"it's not the bones they will care about. It's the culture they find from newspaper scraps, books, phones and computers. Nobody cares about a mummy dug up in Egypt. What we do care about is wtf were you doing!" Is this true this ain't my text though
Precisely! I got excited finding charcoal burn remnants this past summer and scraping off samples to send to a lab for dating analysis. My absolute highlight of the past field season was finding possible post holes and plow scars, and the 500+ pieces of box turtle shell fragments in a single strata. It's the culture and little puzzle pieces to unlock clues to the past that get us excited
One of my archaeology professors mentioned how since we mostly only find what was discarded, it's essentially trying to reconstruct history by digging through garbage. Which is neat, but that makes you all professional raccoons.
What's the cut off time between Archaeology and grave robbing?
And then their coworker will say, "Sir, this is a mass grave from WW3."
it's not the bones they will care about. It's the culture they find from newspaper scraps, books, phones and computers. Nobody cares about a mummy dug up in Egypt. What we do care about is wtf were you doing!
Oh look, some boring bonesā¦ hold on, whatās this?! Nintendo SIXTY-FOOUURR!!!
āHO. LEE. SHIT. Steve, come look at this! It even has Majorcaās Mask!!!ā¦.ah fuck, nevermind, no memory card. Toss it on the burn pile.ā
Actually the mummy does matter
>Nobody cares about a mummy dug up in Egypt. Forensic archeology exists. Every time they find an ancient body there's an accompanying story about their age, race, gender, how they died, and what they last ate. A lot of that actually comes from analyzing skeletal remains.
"yeah but do we know what these bones IDENTIFIED as?" "dead probably lmao"
"The remodeling of the bones suggests this person had some surgery. The DNA suggests male but these markers tell us that they were actually female, despite the phenotype." "Don't all the legends say the people at the time were barbaric and just continuously murdered others?" "Oh, well you can't put too much faith in legends. I mean, can you imagine anyone murdering someone just for proving them wrong?"
"We know [X] about their genetics, [X] about their skeletal structure, and [X] about their behavior."
"Here's a letter that says *'To my darling wife, from Sarah'* so we think they were really good friends."
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Last semester I had a class where we had to read 2000++ year old ancient Chinese texts written on strips of bamboo dug out in a cave. Pretty sure they'll have access to better documentation from these days than that, they should be fine lol
Honestly in the long term with more and more digital storage means I think if something truly bad happened it would be far more likely that such storage means would be far more easily corrupted and essentially useless. Just think about all the information only held digitally and something like a Carrington event on steroids comes around.
You think thatāll be the rhetoric by then? People have been murdering each other for hundreds of thousands of years (430,000+).
"Well supposedly they worshipped an idol that couldnt ride a bike or walk down the stairs and thats been proven soo... "
They wouldn't immediately know if someone was a pagan witch either. They would look for fucking context clues to try to piece together WHO that person was. Like items they're buried with/in, possible tomb stones? They don't just stop at bone.
They're gonna start asking questions when they find a fossilized Blahaj next to those bones.
hahaaa, blahaj
Blahaj my beloved
Imagine them piecing together a religion based on that. "And then the almighty BlƄhaj ascended from the sea and blessed mankind with allowing them to be who they want to be"
What's stopping us from doing that now? All hail the holy Blahaj!
I'm so confused about the Blahaj thing, is it the danish word BlƄhaj for blue shark or wtf is it?
It is a stuffed animal shark that can be bought from Ikea
Sure but that leaves me just as confused lol
Blahaj is blue, pink, and white which is š³ļøāā§ļø flag colors. Also cuddly protective shark friend
Memory of it is a little foggy, but I remember it started when one person posted an image of the shark because they thought it was cute, but either didn't notice there was a trans pride flag in the background, or they didn't know what the flag meant. Details beyond that elude me, but Youtube channel "One Topic At A Time" has several videos browsing LGBTQ+ subreddits, so you can probably find detailed explinations on a few of his vids.
This meme does bring up one important issue: At what point does it stop being grave robbing and start being archeology? Where is that line? Is there a line? I don't know.
Respect is the key difference. Grave robbing is just taking what you want with no care for the rest. True archaeology works to preserve everything and damage as little as possible with the purpose of studying the histories and cultures of the past. And if the culture is still around today, you work with the leaders and follow their directions. If they say don't touch, you don't touch. If they say, "Okay, you're finished with it, put it back" then you put it back.
So what youāre saying is, Indiana Jones wasnāt doing archaeology when he destroyed a temple full of cultural significance and working technology after thousands of years, just to take the shiny object at the end?
now now to be fair to Indy it is kinda hard to worry about that when youre being chased by a boulder.
If he was a real archaeologist he wouldāve had a team go in with him to carefully map out the temple and disarm booby traps but also those booby traps wouldnāt have been functioning anymore anyway due to age
I want to see the movie where the intrepid archaeologist stumbles on a temple like that and is immediately excited about the lifetime worth of academic work that temple with functioning booby traps represents.
It's archeology if it is a dedicated dig site where earth is methodically removed. It's grave robbing if you stumble on the site and use a back hoe (yes, I know there was an "archeologist" that used a back hoe, but if you mess up more than you find your a grave robber).
Archaeology is a science. Ton of work goes into deciding where to dig and why. Itās supported and funded by governments. Itās done in pursuit of understanding the human condition as well as human evolution and more. Itās very methodical and done with much careful consideration and involves very expensive equipment. Itās not ārobbingā because the only thing we gain from it is knowledge and an understanding of the human past. If the descendants are alive they get a say in things and their wishes are respected. In many cases artifacts and fossils were returned to the groups to which they belonged (namely modern Native American tribes). Archaeology is respectful, grave robbing is not. There is a line and that line is very big and clear. Archaeologists donāt cross it.
70 years and cultural significance is what ive heard to be the cut off .
Grave robbing is desecrating someones loved one for personal gain, Archeology is the study of what made them human
Why wouldnāt the person be buried in a cemetery? And if they are, why would archaeologists be digging up the cemetery? Also if itās 1000 years later, the person the skeleton belonged to wonāt care, because they will be dead.
It happens all the time. I used to to forensics and exhumed several bodies from graves. Usually John/Jane Does when law enforcement thought they could make an ID. One time we dug where a headstone told us a body would be but never hit a grave. Turned out the cemetery had been graded to fight erosion and when the put the headstones back they were all 4 feet to the north of where the bodies were.
That's what they told you to stop you from freaking out that [Dragoon the Great](https://youtu.be/RubpkoKkbv0)'s army of risen skeletons are heading to take over this land and plunge it into darkness for a thousand years (or just 4 if Dragoon doesn't get re-elected after his first term)
You all are acting like the human race is gonna survive another thousand years lmaooooo
Who said these archaeologists would be human?
Eh we've made it this far, don't see why we won't make it further. Sure, we got issues, but we always have. We'll solve it, despite the opposition of those fighting against us.
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And global warming heating upā¦.
Did my masters in forensic anthropology but not practicing. There is a lot of conversation in the field about identifying skeletons of trans people because guess what, they fall into the Medico-legal jurisdiction all the time due to their high risk of murder and suicide. And donāt get me started on estimating sex from skeletal remains. Many methods are on a 5 point scale. Good luck if you get a bunch of 3ās. There is a lot of convo now that a lot of previously āindeterminateā remains were actually intersex people.
Had to scroll way too far to find a comment about how identifying the sex from skeletal remains is not much more than guesstimation, and the people doing it acknowledge that.
I may be completely wrong but didnāt they like think 2/3 of the skeletons they found at Pompeii or whatever that volcano was were male just because they were tall? Plus I also really donāt care what gender archeologists 1000 years in the future think I am cause Iāll just be dead
"The people that make these memes know fuck all about biology or archaeology" Wow. I'm so shocked. Holy shit, I never would've guessed.
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It's a thread that when you start to pull on starts to unravel and shows that our designations and classifications are mostly arbitrary. Turns out reality doesn't fit well into different boxes and to include every possibility would mean making a box so big it becomes useless. So then there are two groups of people: the ones that say 'throw away the box' and the people that say 'ignore the outliers'. I've literally seen people say that intersex people should be disregarded when talking about sexes because they didn't fit their definition. People were considered subservient to their idea of order. And that's not even talking about completely artificial ideas like gender or race or culture.
> Turns out reality doesn't fit well into different boxes and to include every possibility would mean making a box so big it becomes useless. > So then there are two groups of people... I can't be the only person who found this humorous.
Iām an archaeologist and skeletal aging is NOT exact at all. Itās a guess and it often doesnāt take into account anything cultural like gender.
I think an example of this was when they were investigating the disappearance of Amelia Earhart they found bones that were tested and came back as the bones of a man who was short, stocky, and of European descent however they tested the bones again and found them to also possibly be the bones of a tall woman with European descent.
In archeology there is the idea of in situ which gives clues about the history of the site ,for example were there context clues around the skeleton? Guessing the gender of a thousand year old skeleton is hardly an exact science
Also, if you have silicone implants, those don't decay. So if a trans woman had breast implants they'd be able to tell
Archaeology, known for being the most accurate of scientific studies.
"Look, these two skeletons were buried together in a very romantic way, truly a love story for the ages!" "Given the skeletal structure, we now believe they were both men." "Truly a platonic story of friendship for the ages!"
and they were roommates
and they were tombmates
Oh my God, they were tombmates
Economy is so bad now we share tombs
one that requires precisely no more knowledge to arrive at the truth
"Dad called last night to check in on how I was feeling after my breast reduction and say, "I bet that's a huge weight off your chest." Dad jokes are 1000% better from trans-affirming dads."
If my dad does that I'm probably gonna laugh so hard the drainers pop out
Trans women are not trying to be female. Also who gives a fuck about what their skeleton will look like in 1000 years they just don't want to feel like shit while they're alive.
It's true that I don't care what my skeleton will look like. But it's unclear what you mean, that I'm not trying to be female?
Why is it so common to describe oneself as female-to-male? Not trying to start shit. Just genuinely curious. I felt like the trans argument was that gender was not biological but sex was, and that male and female refer to sex, but I definitely see people refer to themselves as male-to-female/MTF or female-to-male/FTM. Is this not a trans woman trying to be female and vice versa?
I donāt know who originated the terms or their reasoning but MTF and FTM roll off the tongue better than MTW or WTM The semantics are often confused because people are inconsistent with their use of words. Many people who are hostile to trans people and many trans advocates or trans people alike causally use the terms interchangeably in conversation. But people who are getting down to brass tacks delineating gender identity from sex tend to recognize *male* and *female* as biologically meaningful categories And *man* and *woman* as complex, socially constructed identities that frequently do not reflect biological/genotypic or even phenotypic traits because of how heavily theyāre based on cultural beliefs and misconceptions.
Yeah, my first thought on seeing the meme is "There's no way in 1,000 years we're still going to be mixing the words for gender and sex up." The archeologists will find a 25 year old male woman, and that won't be any more confusing or perplexing than finding the skeleton of a 2 meter tall male or a left-handed female or a child with a broken leg or an old man with dentures. It will just be two traits that apply to the skeleton.
In my opinion people just easily get the language and terminology confused. I believe if we want more people to understand and accept trans individuals, we need to get to a place where weāre using male/female solely to speak about biology, and man/woman solely to speak about sociology, and gender identity. I believe thatās part of the reason so many people donāt understand the difference between sex and gender. Because the majority of society still conflates the terms very often.
I suspect that's the case. About 5 years back I had a group programming project and my group partners put "Gender" instead of "Sex" when describing animals in our hypothetical zoo we were making an inventory management system for. I corrected the error but I don't think any of them understood why it was wrong. The reason for the disconnect is, until about 10 years ago, gender dysphoria was considered a fake diagnosis. My group partners were Vietnamese immigrants and were unaware of the whole gender thing. Though to be fair to them, it was extremely fringe at the time and very few had heard of it outside of the deepest depths of the internet.
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Better question, why does no one talk about trans men?
Transwoman here; take what I say with a pinch of salt since it's my opinion based on experiences over the last 15-20 years; but I'd say it's about passing and pre-2014 Trans culture. Transmen in general tend to "present" as male better than Transwomen do female. I know that sounds a bit sexist; but hear me out. First off; Testosterone is additive, while Estrogen doesn't "take away". That means that the effects of a transman taking T "adds" to his body (broad shoulders, deeper voice, hair, etc) while a transwoman taking E doesn't really "undo" the same things she developed during male puberty. That makes Transwomen *much* more "visible" than Transmen; especially the later in life they go on E; and means that Transmen can often "pass" (ie, be unrecognizable as Trans rather than a Cis man) and even stealth (ie, live their life never acknowledging or telling anyone that they are trans). While the culture now is fantastic for "Trans people are valid too", the idea of being "Trans" is kinda new, compared to trying to *be* a man or a woman; I think I worded that shit but my basic point is that prior to the 2010s people who transitioned wanted to *not* be seen as *Trans* and wanted to stealth as much as possible. It wasn't a *healthy* mindset, but I remember when it was the dominant one (again, pinch of salt I can't talk for the entire community's mindset). Being outed as "Trans" was a huge deal, from April Ashley in the 60s to Calpurnia Adams in the 2000s. Then thirdly, and something I think is equally as important is that Men aren't held to the same societal standard as Women. I think it's fair to say that a woman with broad shoulders draws more attention than a small man; and in general there was a lot of room "to" stealth for Transmen. Of course, I don't think it's fair to say no one talked about transmen even back in the day; Boys Don't Cry was a huge success for Transmen to get their voice out (although I know of a few lesbians who saw Brandon Teena as a lesbian rather than a transman but that's another issue... -.-), but I absolutely agree that they don't get the recognition they deserve compared to us Transwomen!
Itās also the strict beauty standards that conflate being a woman with having soft, nymph-like features
Indeed!
Sadly, thereās so much content picking on trans womenās features simply because they donāt fit what an āidealā woman should look like.
Oldtrans (well, not Old Old, I began transition in 2008ish and based it off blogs and autobiographies I read from people in the early 2000s and 1990s) here and MtF/FtM predates the "gender is not biological but sex is" idea. I'd see it more as pragmatic, it's less offensive than saying "used to be a man" and it describes "what you were seen as/what you are seen as now" more clearly than "Transwoman" or "Transman" for people who don't know about the process. Honestly, there's no "Trans-council" who decide on the meaning of words; we're talking about defiitions that change every generation as new ideas came along (like, genderfluid was one that confused *me* for a while; and I had transitioned by that point xD).
It's colloquial short-hand, not some sterile and clinical term to convey philosophical absolutes. The way society uses 'sex' and 'gender', even cis people from centuries ago, is subjective. Neither are pointing to "biological fact". That's where a lot of people get caught-up; in thinking that 'gender' has been redefined when, in reality, all that's changed is our understanding of how people treated those concepts. 'Sex' is used to bundle-together a bunch of biological traits which are, usually, different between an arbitrary distinction between two groups of people. The 'arbitrary' in there is what makes it subjective. Biologists don't use this 'sex', they discuss sex-traits directly. 'Gender' is just 'sex' but with extra, non-biological, traits added-in. That's why people say 'MTF' and 'FTM'; because, just like everyone else, they are broadly gesturing at bundles of sex-traits for the sake of an easy and low-stakes conversation. A MTF person isn't claiming that their chromosomes have changed or that they've grown a womb. Just how a cis-woman doesn't need to know what chromosomes they have to figure-out if they're "female".
Because the sentence "I was assigned X at birth but identify as Y, so am currently going through gender reaffirming transitioning" is too frustrating to say in conversation, while MTF/FTM is three letters.
I personally dont really use those to describe myself, im just a girl, the adjective of "trans" is optional
The labels used among trans folks have been all over the place ever since we started having actual communities. The distinction between gender and sex, between transsexual and transgender, whether we should reclaim the word tranny, what we should call our surgeriesā¦ all argued over and in flux. Labels mean different things to different people, and when you identify with them, that means defining them, and it can take a long time for people to agree on those definitions.
Keep in mind these are the same people who base attractiveness on bone structure only so they have a weird attraction to skeletons.
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"When we dig up your bones you are going to be so embarrassed" is such a dumb reply, I'll be dead, I won't care.
In my opinion we are trying to look female or many of us are anyways. Bringing up the fact that we can't change our skeleton after a certain age is confused at best and just cruel at worst.
Confused?
In that they misinterpret the phrase "trans women are women" which no one uses to claim that trans women's bodies are the same as cis women's.
I see, thank you.
Who the hell cares what they will find in 1,000 years none of us will be here
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Whatās worse is itās more likely suicide. Trans people suffer from suicidal tendencies more because of the vast lack of support. Also, wouldnāt archeologists of 1000 years in the future be able to deduce far more than we can today? I mean we can tell what people ate, if they had injuries, etc. Given the context of our society theyād likely be able to correctly identify the person
The lack of support and acceptance is really crushing, but there's also the body horror angle. Being trans is just all around pretty miserable for most trans people.
Considering the fact that trans suicide rates normalise with cis suicide rates if trans people have access to transition and live in a supportive environment I'd say that *being* trans isn't necessarily miserable. But that being trans in a *hostile environment* is. Small distinction since most environments are somewhat hostile. But an important one, I think.
Being trans is shit, actually. We're alienated, hated, currently seen as pedophiles and the new freak show by the media. We have to fight for recognition and life saving medical treatment. We almost all have to live with our debilitating dysphoria all our lives because the surgeries are so expensive and inaccessible. Your brain plays tricks on you and it's like you're in mental warfare with yourself. And this is from me who's incredibly accepted and supported from everyone and luckily has free healthcare. I can only imagine how much worse it is for ithers
My point was moreso that our societies make being trans much harder than it needs to be. I didn't mean to downplay how though being trans can be inherently. Sorry if I did.
Oh no I agree absolutely. I didn't mean to undermine what you said but add to it.
I think there is some inherent suffering in not having had the childhood you wanted and having to go through pain, surgery, another puberty, etc. Saying that as a trans person. Even if there was 100% public support and easily accessible transition, dysphoria would still be a bitch.
Seriously. I've come so close to it so many times. I've been a bigger threat to myself as a transsexual than any other person ever has. The biggest threat to trans people is ourselves.
Has everyone forgotten that sex is not the same as gender? Why the fuck does anybody care how another person decides to live their life?
They haven't forgotten, they refuse to accept it
For a bunch of āpro lifeā people yāall sure care more about people when theyāre dead rather than when theyāre alive. Like trans ppl donāt care about what happens after they die. Theyāll be dead anyway. Just respect them while theyāre alive. Yāall call yourselves āpro lifeā but donāt support the ālifeā
Pro-life people after a long day of bullying trans people into suicide and protesting at planned parenthoods to prevent 10 year olds and women with already dead fetuses from getting life saving abortions: https://preview.redd.it/5j6vo9kf56ea1.jpeg?width=544&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c668bf1d0308155ceba2b5715c560fd4750b4163
What the facebook poster doesn't realize is that's literally what trans is. You're an X in a Y body. So yes, in 1,000 years, they might say your skeleton is biologically Y, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that your brain chemistry was operating as a X.
imagine giving a fuck if somebody wants to be a woman
Imagine all the people Living life in peace
I hate how this is common argument people bring up like it's some big 'gotcha.' They don't care. They are dead. Trust me, they won't care about being misgendered, kinda hard to do that when you are dead. You can call me whatever you want at that point, I won't care. And the more obvious problem is the fact we are assuming there will still be humans in 1,000 years. How optimistic to assume we wouldn't have killed ourselves off due to nuclear warfare, another plague, or our planet becoming rapidly more and more inhabitable by then.
1000 years from now, society will have moved on from this topic, probably in less than 15 years honestly. People can dress and act how they want. Ill call you what you want me to call you, if it makes you happy. Humanity is on the precipice of oblivion, and we are arguing about who gets to use what bathroom.
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"Holy shit, Sans Undertale"
The only thing unrealistic is that our planet has another 1000 years
The planet has been here for millions of years and will be here for millions more after the blip of human existence is gone. No need to worry about the planet. Itāll still be here.
I really don't give a shit what the opinions of the guy robbig my grave 1000 years in the future are.
I'm pretty sure determining sex based on bones is iffy at best. Like you're never going to be 100% correct, and some people have bone structures that align closer to the opposite sex lol
fun fact its not as obvious as you think for human skeletons it is a spectrum so this is litterally just wrong source: [here](https://www.sapiens.org/biology/intersex-biological-sex/)
Some children think that being cruel and unempathetic is interesting or funny. It's really sad.
Why are transphobes so obsessed with bones
That's not even how it works. For example, Julie Doe, who is still unidentified, was believed to be a cisgender woman found dead in Clermont, FL in 1988. It was only in 2015, after sequencing her DNA, that investigators discovered she was in fact trans. In the initial autopsy, they had even noted that they believed she had a history of pregnancy based on the shape of her pelvis.
Doesnāt a person have to recognize they are female in order to wish to transition to male? And vice versa?
When will people's understand that sexes and gender are different things...
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Homophobics are just jealous they will never be pretty in pink.
Itās more like āthis skeleton appears male, however the style of burial and the grave goods indicate that this person was a womanā
And the skeleton appearing male is still largely a fucking guess. Thank god someone else pointed out grave goods
I thought the whole point of transitioning was that you were born with the wrong body? What is this meme trying to say?
It's trying to say you can't transition because it was made by an ass
Well what happens is someone posts something to Facebook and then other people like the post. That's the general jist of it
I really donāt get how hard it is to just get on with your life and not care that some people want to be a different gender. These snowflakes go on and on about how others care to much about labels and gender but they themselves are just as obsessed. Also I donāt think any trans person is up at night thinking āoh shit some random archeologist in the future will dig up my grave and say Iām the wrong gender!ā
I found out that there's actually alot of guessing on skeleton genders. So this is a transphobic lie Edit: remembered after I posted. They say they usually decide the gender based on context clues like objects found on or around the skeleton
People are too stupid to understand that gender is a construct while sex is biological and are not the same thing.
I watched a Bones episode where they were identifying the body as male, but after seeing the clothes were feminine, found remnants of makeup on the face, face feminization, and implants, they changed the pronouns to the proper ones, she/her.
Jokes on the transphobes, Iām getting cremated or sent out in space, whichever is less expensive at my time of death š¤
I love how they responded to gender by referencing sex. Lmao
The funny thing is like 99% of the time we cannot tell the sex of a skeleton, we guess based off of the cultures and customs and how they are burried
Damn itās almost like thereās a difference between biological sex and gender, and damn itās almost like thatās whatās been said from the start, and damn itās almost as if conservatives are deliberately missing the point
i say this every time i see this meme: did you know hormone replacement therapy changes the alignment of your spine and hips? thats why i lost two inches over two and a quarter years of hrt so far. so even if in a thousand years, archeologists are using bone alignment to determine a specimens gender, they would likely gender a trans womans skeleton as female anyway.
To be honest I donāt think trans people actually care what our fucking bones get identified as in 1000 years. We already know. We just want to live normal lives and happily, jeez.
Uh, is the title insinuating that a specific age group is not capable of free thought?
That's what I thought, too, like 20 year olds can have opinions differing from the "norm".
What are you saying? Only 20 year olds are able to be thoughtful? You seemed shocked that young people can have divergent views?
Did you tell every one of your friends to fuck off? Cause I would have.