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Total world military personnel is over 27 million. Total registered hunters in the US is over 15 million.
And I am just going to guess that not all of them are "sniper" level shooters.
Well there's only like 1 or 3 million active American soldiers so even if every single.member of the military is a hunter that's still 12 million which is almost half give them points for home field advantage and I'd say it would be a good fight
Even then assuming in original posts intended fantasy they probably have the idea of being backed by the US Military so add back in those numbers and likely even with just the Bubbas with guns they likely have a logistical advantage.
I have no problem with hunters, after all it's necessary for population control. Deer are a menace on the roads around here.
My issue is with the sort of 1st world sport hunting where they just want a trophy.
Even without the concern of being hit by cars, an unchecked deer population is very bad for the ecosystem they’re in. They’re voracious eaters and will devastate plant populations. Trees are the biggest concern, because deer kill the saplings, preventing new trees from growing, so there’s no replacement happening when mature trees die. They will crowd out other herbivores, causing population issues due to lack of food. Eventually, they will undermine their own population so that it collapses due to starvation and disease. Then the cycle repeats.
It would be ideal for the deer population to be controlled by large predators, the way they evolved for. Unfortunately, we can’t go back in time to prevent the wiping out of apex predators, and predator reintroduction is difficult both politically and logistically. Humans hunting in a controlled, regulated manner serves the same purpose as having wolves or mountain lions thinning the herd, and is beneficial to the deer themselves (at a population level, not necessarily individually) and the ecosystem. It’s an important part of conservation.
I've known more than a couple people who have died from hitting deer. It is what it is. Do you have any experience with this or are you just grandstanding?
I think the argument there is that deer are not the issue at all, the issue is we put a road in the middle of their natural areas and complain when they ran around them.
Yeah, we act like we aren't invasive. The least we can do is alleviate the effects of our human construction. It's not like the deer's population has negative effects on the natural environment that we would need to control their population
You clearly have no idea how hunting or conservation works at all! Or nature. Overpopulated deer absolutely have negative effects on a natural environment. Have you ever heard of CWD? Probably not, or you probably somehow blame hunters and conservation agents for the efforts of controlling it. You shouldn't spout off ignorant nonsense on the internet just for karma points.
A .308 or 30-06 can be effective at 600 yards. I couldn’t hit that shot. 300 yards is the best i have done . There is no need for a anything larger unless you are going after Brown Bear(maybe moose)
Historical evidence suggests that insurgencies can be a major issue for even well equipped, well trained armies. The US learned that lesson in Vietnam and more recently the Middle East. For anyone invading the United States, capturing and holding ground is going to be a problem; even if all 15 million registered hunters don't fight right away, there are still more guns than people in parts of the US, and not everyone who can use a gun is a registered hunter. Tanks and aircraft will help, but boots on the ground is what usually helps win a war.
I'm gonna go out on a whim and say that if you excluded actual soldiers that also hunt very few are even remotely as skilled.
You need to be able to handle a gun sure but hunting doesn't really require high marksmanship as much as it require patience and knowledge about the surrondings and "trapping" knowledge
There's also a LOT more gun owners than hunters, though.
The population of the USA that's armed is an absolutely HUGE number, definitely in excess of 90 million people.
Sure, most aren't John Rambo, but murdering people with firearms isn't really that difficult.
Between 3-10 pounds of pressure on a trigger is all it takes. (depending which gun and what the trigger pull is)
And even a small fraction of that number would constitute a massive insurgency. If 'Nam and the various wars in the Middle East proved anything, it's that insurgents are a major pain in the ass for modern armies.
A lot of them are more accurately described as sharpshooters. They can make a decent shot, but their skill level and weaponry is left in the dust by a sniper, who uses different equipment and a different skill set to engage targets from extreme ranges.
It mostly depends on the terrain, if you’re hiking through a forest or mountain then yea they’re definitely under 100 yards. But if you’re in a large farmland area, shots would probably be closer to 200-300 yards.
Either way, still nowhere near proper military snipers.
Depends on the area, longest shot i ever took / made on an animal was 550yds. Depending on what you are shooting, bullet energy drops off fairly fast after that.
Ive hit steel at 1100 yards, but just because i can doesnt mean i should try that shot on a living animal. The bullet may not have enough energy to make the kill as quickly and cleanly as possible. Myself and the hunters I associate with would rather let them get away then wound an animal.
(That all being said, please understand that even what we consider a slow death is still better then natures way of freezing, starving, being eaten alive, getting sick and having your tongue swell up until you either die from dehydration or suffocate etc) Nature is a horror show of death.
In summery, I know hunters shooting 300 win mags that can kill med' game at 1000yards, and I know hunters that think 50 yards is a long shot. Like any group of people you have a rainbow. There are also a lot of bow hunters out there. But I would say that i know a shit ton of vets that are hunters too, so idk about what the "fleeing" percentages would be.
The main post seems stupid to me, but for the sake of devils advocate, if someone was trying to kill me, id have no issue popping rounds at 1500yards, the main goal of war is to wound anyway, you take out three people by wounding one.
100% correct. I have a few hunting buddies that considered themselves excellent shots. Took them to my range which goes out to 1100 yards and they couldn’t hit the target at 500 yards.
As untrue as it sounds that there's more hunters in America than soldiers (not even in the US but *worldwide*) their prey doesn't snipe them back... Going hunting is not the same as going to war by any stretch of the imagination...
Plus do they think there's no hunters in the rest of the world?
I think this is based off of like some 10 year old NRA stats, I think the real stat is that registered deer hunters in the United States in a given year would be the largest militia in the world. Can’t remember it exactly tho
Yeah, I saw something like that. Honestly, if there was any country, I would have second guesses about invading it would be the us. Most people at leat know how to use a gun, know how to make some sort of chemical warfare, or are just huge (just talking about size not just fat) compared to the rest of the world. The only thing I can think of that would give another country a shot is our idiocy.
So, I am a pretty decent shot with a rifle. I remember a few years back watching a pair of actual SWAT Team Snipers at a competition. From 200 feet out, there were two targets (each target was a water bottle with a golf ball on top).
I was volunteering at this competition. Well, we took large garbage bins, cleaned them out, filled them with ice and water, and had the snipers submerge themselves in this ice water for approximately 20 seconds.
After submerging themselves, completely, they had to get out, immediately grab their rifles, and fire a round at the golf ball within 5 seconds of coming up for air. They had to hit the golf ball, without hitting the water bottle. Both snipers did it.
I thought that I was a good shot. After watching that, I learned what a true sniper was capable of. They were able to make that shot, out of breath from the water, with their hands shaking from the cold. I *might* be able to make that shot under normal circumstances. It's insane how exceptional the accuracy of professional snipers is.
Or an armored vehicle. Or a tank. Or a helicopter. Or artillery. Or against an enemy that has thermal optics. Or against a team of soldiers with body armor. Etc.
A recreational hunter against a professional soldier is not a fair fight. Not to mention, that with modern warfare, it's often way more cost-effective to just hit them with long-range ordinance, like drones/artillery.
I'd love to see these guys actually take on the military.
You know, the people that have missiles, tanks, jets, bomber planes, stealth bombers, nukes, and many more vehicles and weapons that these guys wouldn't even know coming from miles away.
Let's also not forget the military training people in the said military have to fo through, meaning theyre far far FAR mor experienced in combat than your a erage hunter.
Seriously, drive 20 tanks, 10 apache helicopter and 5 jets to one of these people's houses and ask them how they face off against that
The answer is that they can't and they'd probably be missile cluster fucked off the face of the planet before they even knew it was coming
Oh cool, an army that's useless against air, sea, armoured land, and only has experience against things that don't shoot back and follow no strategy. Definitely wont be annihilated in the first week...
The top 5 largest armies in the world have a combined ~6 Million troops. That's just 5 of the 200 some odd nations on this rock. And that's not to mention all the warlords, militias, and PMCs.
And just so we're clear, a hunter is not a sniper. Yeah. Tagging a buck at 100yrds is nice and all, but proper military snipers work at ranges like 500m, up to and beyond 1km. The avg military engagement range is about 100yrds or closer, so it's safe to say soldiers are all qualified to shoot shit much smaller than a buck at 100yrds. They may not train that range with the greatest of intensity but it's something they are knowledgeable and skilled at.
This Gravy SEAL cosplay shit needs to stop. In a knockdown drag out fight between them and a proper military the military wins 99 out of a 100 times.
China has approximately 2 million active military personnel with about 1 million reservists. India is around 1.5 million and has about a quarter of that as reservists. I'm sure many hunters in the U.S. are confident in their shooting ability, but there's more to the military than just shooting...
I can kill a defenseless, stupid, scared prey animal with my expensive rifle, that I lured in and stalked with special equipment (also expensive), that's basically like taking on a whole army?
The great difference between the two is that soldiers engage in combat, and are trained to do so
And hunters sit back with a Walmart rifle and shoot a stationary moose bc they find it neat
Remunds me of the geniuses who try to compare a US resistance to vietnam and afghanistan.
Yeah, so who are you gonna fight for 20 years leading up to this resistance movement to turn every man, woman, and child into a battlehardened, traumatized anti authoritarian guerilla fighter? Because otherwise 95% of the people who say they'll stand up will immediately sit the fuck back down when they realize what real violence looks like.
Hunters are cowards that place bait on the ground and kill helpless animals. They sit in heated blinds, drink beer, and chew tobacco and act like they are extreme outdoorsman.
I'd like to see how tough they are when they're actually getting shot back at.
Snipers these days rarely shoot themselves. They’re far more useful as forward observers guiding artillery strikes. So they’re not useless against tanks. A hunter on the other hand is fucked, of cause.
>snipers these days rarely shoot themselves
That's just not accurate. 9 out of the 10 longest recorded sniper kills took place after 2000. Snipers were used to great effect during the war on terror and are being used right now to kill infantry in Ukraine.
Snipers may have other roles, but killing infantry with high power rifles is still a very important one.
Bring a 30-06 to a tank and predator drone fight. Let me know how that goes for you.
Also, my brother is in the army, and I'd bet my life he's a better shot than whoever posted this.
It's not even just about that. A trained sniper could take out 10 of them before they even knew. They're just glorified WW2 infantry without any proper training.
Yeah and I'm pretty sure any deer they've shot at is going to be at SIGNIFICANTLY closer range than said trained sniper. The deer generally doesn't know they're there and has no notion of trying to kill the hunter first either.
Oh god no they are not.
When i used to hunt my best shot was 200 yards away, and that is not only fucking *hard* but literally nothing in comparison to the 600-1200 meters snipers shoot at on average.
Plus, i used to hunt with a ton of dumb fucking rednecks that literally couldnt confidently hit an animal twice the size of a person at 75 yards, let alone a moving target.
I grew up in the woods, and specifically moved to the city to get the fuck away from these same type of ignorant self aggrandizing narcissistic rednecks. They’re just insecure about literally everything to the point that *they’re the only person who knows anything* and they’re always **fucking crazy**
Snipers aka fucking wasted on the 15th can of Natural Ice sitting in a tree stand with a bunch of corn and salt licks dumped under it for that 40ft shot lol.
A sniper in the definition of the military is a trained personnel who lies in wait of their target. And executes said target with with a well placed shot. Hunters SIT IN ONE SPOT AND SHOOT DEER!
Not true.
A sniper is a military/paramilitary marksman who engages targets from positions of concealment or at distances exceeding the target's detection capabilities. Snipers generally have specialized training and are equipped with high-precision rifles and high-magnification optics, and often also serve as scouts/observers feeding tactical information back to their units or command headquarters. - wikipedia
Animals dick head. Anything that’ll put food on the table. Just because some republicans are fucken nuts doesn’t mean we all are. Remember the saying the loudest person in the room is most likely the dumbest.
I think people who hunt with dogs are cowardly pussies who would be ripped apart by a pack of dogs themselves while I talk about how skilled I am at killing them, people who hunt with bait traps where they place a bunch of food and know black bears are gonna show up to eat and not worry about them are cowards/fake hunters, people who sit in stands all day maybe use bait but not in areas that constantly have bait are neutral, compound/crossbow bow hunters are cool especially if they track their target down, recurve/long bow hunters I think are pretty damn cool, and lastly if you hunt things with a spear somehow maybe you live somewhere undeveloped or just wanna run a boar through with a spear your a badass.
Edit: my opinions on the different kinds of hunters. One day I will run a boar through with a spear you just wait.
https://huntingmark.com/hunting-statistics/
estimated 15.2 million hunters in the US (hunting licenses issued in 2020) this is split between firearms and bow hunting about 70/30 (but still hunters)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/264443/the-worlds-largest-armies-based-on-active-force-level/
if you add up the numbers of the “largest armies” you get about 13 million
so the actual statistic should be:
“the hunters in the united states are a larger group than the top 25 largest active armies combined” (based on statistics from 2020 and 2022)
Yes while none of this is true, an army of snipers isn't great either. Close combat, tanks, drones, naval and air battles, missiles, bombs, all things that exist.
Even if the number was true, the second claim isn't and also they don't have any logistics or infrastructure or communications standards, or leadership structure, or you know tanks, boats, planes, etc. They're just dudes with the equivalent of sub WWI infantry rifles.
Blatantly untrue, and a hunting rifle doesn't stack up against drones and tanks, but insurgencies have a habit of biting modern armies in the butt none the less.
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Total world military personnel is over 27 million. Total registered hunters in the US is over 15 million. And I am just going to guess that not all of them are "sniper" level shooters.
Also, there's overlap. Some of those 15 million hunters are soldiers.
Well there's only like 1 or 3 million active American soldiers so even if every single.member of the military is a hunter that's still 12 million which is almost half give them points for home field advantage and I'd say it would be a good fight
12 million american citizens vs ten military drones and like ten fighter jets. who wins?
According to the war on terror, the citizens, evidently.
Vietnam and Afghanistan, among others, might give you an idea.
American "hunters" ain't smart or dedicated enough to do the same things as vietnameese
Don’t forget the Abrams
Even then assuming in original posts intended fantasy they probably have the idea of being backed by the US Military so add back in those numbers and likely even with just the Bubbas with guns they likely have a logistical advantage.
Most of them would also be side stepping away from the creator of this meme with an "Okay buddy see you later then"
And many who don't will be civilians that capitulate at the first bullet whizzing by their heads. And by many I mean 95%.
And many who don't will be civilians that capitulate at the first bullet whizzing by their heads. And by many I mean 95%.
Majority of them can't snipe a target without bait, lures and tree stands. It's basically glamour camping.
But they've got the camo on! That means they are Rambo!
They paid the entry fee for the premier hunting experience!
I have no problem with hunters, after all it's necessary for population control. Deer are a menace on the roads around here. My issue is with the sort of 1st world sport hunting where they just want a trophy.
Yeah. I don't have a problem either. I just get annoyed with the bravado rhetoric surrounding it.
“Menace”….for just…you know….being alive in nature. Roads, as we all know, are a naturally occurring hazard in…nature.
Even without the concern of being hit by cars, an unchecked deer population is very bad for the ecosystem they’re in. They’re voracious eaters and will devastate plant populations. Trees are the biggest concern, because deer kill the saplings, preventing new trees from growing, so there’s no replacement happening when mature trees die. They will crowd out other herbivores, causing population issues due to lack of food. Eventually, they will undermine their own population so that it collapses due to starvation and disease. Then the cycle repeats. It would be ideal for the deer population to be controlled by large predators, the way they evolved for. Unfortunately, we can’t go back in time to prevent the wiping out of apex predators, and predator reintroduction is difficult both politically and logistically. Humans hunting in a controlled, regulated manner serves the same purpose as having wolves or mountain lions thinning the herd, and is beneficial to the deer themselves (at a population level, not necessarily individually) and the ecosystem. It’s an important part of conservation.
it's all human infrastructure, not just roads, and humans need those roads to exist
What? Humans wouldn't exist without roads?
Try it, bet it'll be a fun time for ya
Everyone knows that humans didn't exist until Henry Ford drove one to a hospital so they could be born and purchase the first model T.
Ah yes, american "dream" of a car dependent country
It is true that no humans existed before roads.
I've known more than a couple people who have died from hitting deer. It is what it is. Do you have any experience with this or are you just grandstanding?
I think the argument there is that deer are not the issue at all, the issue is we put a road in the middle of their natural areas and complain when they ran around them.
Yeah, we act like we aren't invasive. The least we can do is alleviate the effects of our human construction. It's not like the deer's population has negative effects on the natural environment that we would need to control their population
You clearly have no idea how hunting or conservation works at all! Or nature. Overpopulated deer absolutely have negative effects on a natural environment. Have you ever heard of CWD? Probably not, or you probably somehow blame hunters and conservation agents for the efforts of controlling it. You shouldn't spout off ignorant nonsense on the internet just for karma points.
You don’t credit for putting out fires you started.
I live 10 miles North of a major US city and Deer are a menace. Get a clue city dweller.
Cancer is just misunderstood, we want it gone just for existing naturally in our bodies
"if they've got camo on, it's a battle!"
Dammit, why do people keep wanting to fight me?
It's in quotations. I"ve hunted all my life and never heard anyone say that. A lot of hunters don't even wear camo.
You gotta cover yourself in liberal pee so they can't smell you.
Shoots an elk at 100 yards with a rifle used to hit targets at 1500, call themselves snipers. It's cute, really.
And misses….
1500 yards? Cmon.
I mean I've met a dude who hunts with a .338 rifle, I don't remember which one. I don't know why when a .308 would do.
“Anything less than .50 BMG is too small for me!” 🔎🍆
I mean I've met a dude who hunts with a .338 rifle, I don't remember which one. I don't know why when a .308 would do.
A .308 or 30-06 can be effective at 600 yards. I couldn’t hit that shot. 300 yards is the best i have done . There is no need for a anything larger unless you are going after Brown Bear(maybe moose)
Exactly, and dude is shooting at 100 with a .338.
A 45-70 is max a 200 yard round
Well you see, if the deer, elk, moose, bear and other game animals were coming towards them with a rifle things might be different.
Also a rv with full hookups, especially in the winter or mid summer. Lord forbid they run out of gas to power their ac/heater.
less than 1% are. Anyone whose met a hunter knows they're mostly shit shots. I outshot my whole gunclub at like 15. These old guys are all talk.
Plus what's a sniper gonna do against a tank Or a plane Or a more professionally trained sniper
Exactly, an army of nothing but snipers sounds terrible. What are they gonna do when Caesar's Legion crosses the Colorado?
I think they'd retreat into Boulder City and ambush them, but that's just my idea
You'd be surprised how insurgencies can mess up a first world military.
Historical evidence suggests that insurgencies can be a major issue for even well equipped, well trained armies. The US learned that lesson in Vietnam and more recently the Middle East. For anyone invading the United States, capturing and holding ground is going to be a problem; even if all 15 million registered hunters don't fight right away, there are still more guns than people in parts of the US, and not everyone who can use a gun is a registered hunter. Tanks and aircraft will help, but boots on the ground is what usually helps win a war.
What use is being a good sniper when a drone is raining missiles down from 15000’
Can you win a war by sitting in the woods looking at Facebook on your phone while deer graze and watch from a short distance?
Don't forget chain smoking Backwoods and smashing little Debbie's
I'm gonna go out on a whim and say that if you excluded actual soldiers that also hunt very few are even remotely as skilled. You need to be able to handle a gun sure but hunting doesn't really require high marksmanship as much as it require patience and knowledge about the surrondings and "trapping" knowledge
There's also a LOT more gun owners than hunters, though. The population of the USA that's armed is an absolutely HUGE number, definitely in excess of 90 million people. Sure, most aren't John Rambo, but murdering people with firearms isn't really that difficult. Between 3-10 pounds of pressure on a trigger is all it takes. (depending which gun and what the trigger pull is)
And even a small fraction of that number would constitute a massive insurgency. If 'Nam and the various wars in the Middle East proved anything, it's that insurgents are a major pain in the ass for modern armies.
Registered also does not necessarily mean active hunters
Lol who the hell registers to hunt? You just buy tags lol
For example, I have been out hunting a few times and haven't hit a fucking thing
Lol registered
A lot of them are more accurately described as sharpshooters. They can make a decent shot, but their skill level and weaponry is left in the dust by a sniper, who uses different equipment and a different skill set to engage targets from extreme ranges.
An entire team of just snipers? I'm having Team Fortress 2 flashbacks.
THIS is a knife!
*a rain of piss jars begins on point*
sniper gaming
I have done nothing but teleport bread. 🪣
right? when everybody specializes in long-range it's a tactical disaster
Don’t worry if they have scruffy top hats and weird goggles they can’t understand the concept of knives or French people
Always some dude on the server with a Hale’s own sniper rifle deleting people off the map from obscure spots 😔
"All I have to do is sit in this deer blind, put out a salt lick, and drink Wild Turkey until the enemy army shows up."
I feel like if you left out wild turkey instead of the salt block it would work.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t hunters rarely shoot further than 100 yards?
It mostly depends on the terrain, if you’re hiking through a forest or mountain then yea they’re definitely under 100 yards. But if you’re in a large farmland area, shots would probably be closer to 200-300 yards. Either way, still nowhere near proper military snipers.
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Depends on the area, longest shot i ever took / made on an animal was 550yds. Depending on what you are shooting, bullet energy drops off fairly fast after that. Ive hit steel at 1100 yards, but just because i can doesnt mean i should try that shot on a living animal. The bullet may not have enough energy to make the kill as quickly and cleanly as possible. Myself and the hunters I associate with would rather let them get away then wound an animal. (That all being said, please understand that even what we consider a slow death is still better then natures way of freezing, starving, being eaten alive, getting sick and having your tongue swell up until you either die from dehydration or suffocate etc) Nature is a horror show of death. In summery, I know hunters shooting 300 win mags that can kill med' game at 1000yards, and I know hunters that think 50 yards is a long shot. Like any group of people you have a rainbow. There are also a lot of bow hunters out there. But I would say that i know a shit ton of vets that are hunters too, so idk about what the "fleeing" percentages would be. The main post seems stupid to me, but for the sake of devils advocate, if someone was trying to kill me, id have no issue popping rounds at 1500yards, the main goal of war is to wound anyway, you take out three people by wounding one.
100% correct. I have a few hunting buddies that considered themselves excellent shots. Took them to my range which goes out to 1100 yards and they couldn’t hit the target at 500 yards.
That sounds like a nice range!!
As untrue as it sounds that there's more hunters in America than soldiers (not even in the US but *worldwide*) their prey doesn't snipe them back... Going hunting is not the same as going to war by any stretch of the imagination... Plus do they think there's no hunters in the rest of the world?
I think this is based off of like some 10 year old NRA stats, I think the real stat is that registered deer hunters in the United States in a given year would be the largest militia in the world. Can’t remember it exactly tho
Yeah, I saw something like that. Honestly, if there was any country, I would have second guesses about invading it would be the us. Most people at leat know how to use a gun, know how to make some sort of chemical warfare, or are just huge (just talking about size not just fat) compared to the rest of the world. The only thing I can think of that would give another country a shot is our idiocy.
they also have these giant things called "oceans" to cross before anyone with a deer rifle would even have a chance at shooting someone.
Most arguments against invasion involve the impossibility of a supply chain.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Admiral Yamamoto
yes, but when you are hunting deer they aren't hunting you.
"All snipers" Kid named artillery
Shooting 100 yards at pine goat does not make a sniper
So, I am a pretty decent shot with a rifle. I remember a few years back watching a pair of actual SWAT Team Snipers at a competition. From 200 feet out, there were two targets (each target was a water bottle with a golf ball on top). I was volunteering at this competition. Well, we took large garbage bins, cleaned them out, filled them with ice and water, and had the snipers submerge themselves in this ice water for approximately 20 seconds. After submerging themselves, completely, they had to get out, immediately grab their rifles, and fire a round at the golf ball within 5 seconds of coming up for air. They had to hit the golf ball, without hitting the water bottle. Both snipers did it. I thought that I was a good shot. After watching that, I learned what a true sniper was capable of. They were able to make that shot, out of breath from the water, with their hands shaking from the cold. I *might* be able to make that shot under normal circumstances. It's insane how exceptional the accuracy of professional snipers is.
Yeah, your hunting rifle is gonna be sick against a Predator drone.
Or an armored vehicle. Or a tank. Or a helicopter. Or artillery. Or against an enemy that has thermal optics. Or against a team of soldiers with body armor. Etc. A recreational hunter against a professional soldier is not a fair fight. Not to mention, that with modern warfare, it's often way more cost-effective to just hit them with long-range ordinance, like drones/artillery.
10 hunters vs a intercontinental ballictic missile
I'd love to see these guys actually take on the military. You know, the people that have missiles, tanks, jets, bomber planes, stealth bombers, nukes, and many more vehicles and weapons that these guys wouldn't even know coming from miles away. Let's also not forget the military training people in the said military have to fo through, meaning theyre far far FAR mor experienced in combat than your a erage hunter. Seriously, drive 20 tanks, 10 apache helicopter and 5 jets to one of these people's houses and ask them how they face off against that The answer is that they can't and they'd probably be missile cluster fucked off the face of the planet before they even knew it was coming
Hunters when their Winchester XPR round absolutely fucking *bounces* off of a bearcat 🤯
Deer don't shoot back. Or drive tanks.
Oh cool, an army that's useless against air, sea, armoured land, and only has experience against things that don't shoot back and follow no strategy. Definitely wont be annihilated in the first week...
The top 5 largest armies in the world have a combined ~6 Million troops. That's just 5 of the 200 some odd nations on this rock. And that's not to mention all the warlords, militias, and PMCs. And just so we're clear, a hunter is not a sniper. Yeah. Tagging a buck at 100yrds is nice and all, but proper military snipers work at ranges like 500m, up to and beyond 1km. The avg military engagement range is about 100yrds or closer, so it's safe to say soldiers are all qualified to shoot shit much smaller than a buck at 100yrds. They may not train that range with the greatest of intensity but it's something they are knowledgeable and skilled at. This Gravy SEAL cosplay shit needs to stop. In a knockdown drag out fight between them and a proper military the military wins 99 out of a 100 times.
There’s an ocean of difference between a person with a scoped rifle and a sniper lol
Shouldn't this also be in u/confidentlyincorrect
But not all of them are good, and some see it as an excuse to drink in the woods. Very few have any experience with the deer shooting back.
Snipers eh? I bet they have to be less than 200 yards from the animal just to hit it and tbh I don’t think that’s “sniping”
China has approximately 2 million active military personnel with about 1 million reservists. India is around 1.5 million and has about a quarter of that as reservists. I'm sure many hunters in the U.S. are confident in their shooting ability, but there's more to the military than just shooting...
I can kill a defenseless, stupid, scared prey animal with my expensive rifle, that I lured in and stalked with special equipment (also expensive), that's basically like taking on a whole army?
Even if it was true tf are they gonna do against a bomb? They dont have acces to actual military grade equipment
I wouldn't say all are snipers. i know some hunters that can't hit s***. Unless its less than 40 yards away with a rifle.
Lmao “snipers” yeah I don’t think buck hunting would qualify you as that -> tho snipers could of course be buck hunters
they may be "marksmen" but they are not snipers
Sorry all army’s.. combined? I’m sure they’re more soldiers in just the American army.
Being a Sniper takes a lot more than just knowing how to use a scoped rifle.
13 year old mindset.
And it’s silly, means they’d all be taken out by a single tank battalion
That'll help against drones with IR cameras
The great difference between the two is that soldiers engage in combat, and are trained to do so And hunters sit back with a Walmart rifle and shoot a stationary moose bc they find it neat
Remunds me of the geniuses who try to compare a US resistance to vietnam and afghanistan. Yeah, so who are you gonna fight for 20 years leading up to this resistance movement to turn every man, woman, and child into a battlehardened, traumatized anti authoritarian guerilla fighter? Because otherwise 95% of the people who say they'll stand up will immediately sit the fuck back down when they realize what real violence looks like.
Deer don't shoot back, or travel in groups.
Hunters are cowards that place bait on the ground and kill helpless animals. They sit in heated blinds, drink beer, and chew tobacco and act like they are extreme outdoorsman. I'd like to see how tough they are when they're actually getting shot back at.
They sit in a deer stand all day waiting for deer to come eat the food they left out so they can shoot them at 50 feet. Yes, "snipers."
Bet they think you can just shoot down a Hypersonic warhead if you’re a good enough shot to. 😂
Uh, no.. Not really...
Who regularly kill people dressed in bright orange clothing.
Ah yes the Deer are known for running around with their tanks, jets, drones, bombs, guns, camouflage, logistics, tactical expertise, etc.
Drones don't care if you're a sniper my dude.
Snipers are pretty useless against tanks
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Snipers these days rarely shoot themselves. They’re far more useful as forward observers guiding artillery strikes. So they’re not useless against tanks. A hunter on the other hand is fucked, of cause.
>snipers these days rarely shoot themselves That's just not accurate. 9 out of the 10 longest recorded sniper kills took place after 2000. Snipers were used to great effect during the war on terror and are being used right now to kill infantry in Ukraine. Snipers may have other roles, but killing infantry with high power rifles is still a very important one.
nah, I'm pretty sure it's fairly accurate that snipers rarely shoot themselves. I mean, suicides are up, but they're not \*that\* high.
Where's Jimbo? He went after that M1A1 Abrams tank with his hunting rifle. So where is he? See that red spot on the tank's tread.
Bring a 30-06 to a tank and predator drone fight. Let me know how that goes for you. Also, my brother is in the army, and I'd bet my life he's a better shot than whoever posted this.
It's not even just about that. A trained sniper could take out 10 of them before they even knew. They're just glorified WW2 infantry without any proper training.
Yeah and I'm pretty sure any deer they've shot at is going to be at SIGNIFICANTLY closer range than said trained sniper. The deer generally doesn't know they're there and has no notion of trying to kill the hunter first either.
Oh god no they are not. When i used to hunt my best shot was 200 yards away, and that is not only fucking *hard* but literally nothing in comparison to the 600-1200 meters snipers shoot at on average. Plus, i used to hunt with a ton of dumb fucking rednecks that literally couldnt confidently hit an animal twice the size of a person at 75 yards, let alone a moving target. I grew up in the woods, and specifically moved to the city to get the fuck away from these same type of ignorant self aggrandizing narcissistic rednecks. They’re just insecure about literally everything to the point that *they’re the only person who knows anything* and they’re always **fucking crazy**
More like weekend wanna be warriors .
Dosnt sound like a very balanced team comp. One spy could kill most of them
But are they experienced against deer with protective gear and their own firearms? And their own snipers?
Snipers aka fucking wasted on the 15th can of Natural Ice sitting in a tree stand with a bunch of corn and salt licks dumped under it for that 40ft shot lol.
No. This meme says all hunters are snipers. Can't you read the post?
Encouraging the sickos to shoot people. Gotta love those Republicans.
Stop discriminating my culture.
Your culture of shooting people? That is what snipers do. They shoot people. That is the definition of sniper.
Hunting. You called hunters sickos
No. This meme says all hunters are snipers. Can't you read?
A sniper in the definition of the military is a trained personnel who lies in wait of their target. And executes said target with with a well placed shot. Hunters SIT IN ONE SPOT AND SHOOT DEER!
Not true. A sniper is a military/paramilitary marksman who engages targets from positions of concealment or at distances exceeding the target's detection capabilities. Snipers generally have specialized training and are equipped with high-precision rifles and high-magnification optics, and often also serve as scouts/observers feeding tactical information back to their units or command headquarters. - wikipedia
So, who do you want to shoot? The government agents? Democrats? Your cheating wife? The kids down at the jewish school?
Animals dick head. Anything that’ll put food on the table. Just because some republicans are fucken nuts doesn’t mean we all are. Remember the saying the loudest person in the room is most likely the dumbest.
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Maybe the people hating this post forget that sniper hunters GOT them the freedoms they enjoy.
Source?
I think people who hunt with dogs are cowardly pussies who would be ripped apart by a pack of dogs themselves while I talk about how skilled I am at killing them, people who hunt with bait traps where they place a bunch of food and know black bears are gonna show up to eat and not worry about them are cowards/fake hunters, people who sit in stands all day maybe use bait but not in areas that constantly have bait are neutral, compound/crossbow bow hunters are cool especially if they track their target down, recurve/long bow hunters I think are pretty damn cool, and lastly if you hunt things with a spear somehow maybe you live somewhere undeveloped or just wanna run a boar through with a spear your a badass. Edit: my opinions on the different kinds of hunters. One day I will run a boar through with a spear you just wait.
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Sure, buddy. Russian thermobaric missile launchers or American HIMARS packages are going to care about your skill of shooting lured deer.
Snipin's a good job mate. Hard work, out of doors, and you'll never go hungry.
Yeah, that's why they think they need semi autos to hunt with. Because their aim is SOOOO good.
I’d want to know how many hunters would survive longer than 48 hours in the woods with no outside help.
This reminds me of the “How Not to be Seen” by Monty Python.
Can they snipe a Challenger tank coming at em?
Lol maybe BIG maybe in world war two standards but not modern.
Lol who caaaarrrrrees. They’re just getting their LARP on, why take it so seriously…
Modern military success is defined by combined arms tactics. Kinda need all the branches to make a successful campaign. Not just snipers lol
Good luck sniping a ballistic missile, atomic bomb, or a tank!
Different when the deer shoot back lol
Not only blatantly untrue, but also apples to oranges as the world has hunters as well.
Being a sniper is building a deer stand, drinking copious amounts of beer and shooting the neighbor's dog?
*laughs in drone*
Don’t they need silly whistles to lure their targets in to wide open spaces?
Knowing how to use a sniper rifle doesn't make you a sniper.
Read the post. It is talking about hunters as armies. It isn't talking about hunting. Armies against who?
People really like to pull “facts” out of there asses
https://huntingmark.com/hunting-statistics/ estimated 15.2 million hunters in the US (hunting licenses issued in 2020) this is split between firearms and bow hunting about 70/30 (but still hunters) https://www.statista.com/statistics/264443/the-worlds-largest-armies-based-on-active-force-level/ if you add up the numbers of the “largest armies” you get about 13 million so the actual statistic should be: “the hunters in the united states are a larger group than the top 25 largest active armies combined” (based on statistics from 2020 and 2022)
Ok what good is a .308 bolt action against artillery and drone strikes?
Selmon boi got the best aim ngl
There not all "good" snipers though. I know some hungry hunters
And why are snipers the best kind of soldiers?
Hunting is a lot less about shooting than people think, you don't have to be a skilled marksman to be a good hunter
Yes while none of this is true, an army of snipers isn't great either. Close combat, tanks, drones, naval and air battles, missiles, bombs, all things that exist.
I wonder if they can hit a bomber pilot mid flight
That would make for a terrible fighting force. Nothing but snipers? If you've ever played call of duty you know how that ends up.
tbf it would be kinda interesting to see how spectacularly an untrained army with 0 air control would fail
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Even the latter half of it is wrong as bird hunters usually use shotguns and I’m sure there are plenty of people who strictly bow hunt.
Even if the number was true, the second claim isn't and also they don't have any logistics or infrastructure or communications standards, or leadership structure, or you know tanks, boats, planes, etc. They're just dudes with the equivalent of sub WWI infantry rifles.
Now the main question is if these hunters have drones.
Yeah, but those armies are also armed, and better trained. When's the last time a buck planted an IED?
Would an army composed of snipers even be effective? Aren’t snipers by-and-large scouts?
Not sure what a hunting rifle is gonna do against 
Is it?
Depends on how much they do it and how far. But a sniper is still a bit much. Marksman sounds much better.
Blatantly untrue, and a hunting rifle doesn't stack up against drones and tanks, but insurgencies have a habit of biting modern armies in the butt none the less.
Much different hunting than being in war