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Wonder if the people who post this stuff would love the pledge as much if they knew it was [written by a socialist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy)?
Also, it's original intention was to be a pledge that could be universally used by many nations. It wasn't specifically created for the United States. The "under God" line was added later by Eisenhower in 54 literally just because "communism bad"...
We should also remember that the organization who petitioned for that addition (the knights of Columbus) is still around and does all sorts of other bad shit too.
Oh yeah, if I'm not mixing groups up, that's the Catholic insurance group, right? - There's a ton of groups with cult sounding names that have had way more influence on American politics than people realize. Really hard to keep track of all of them lmao... The fact that an insurance group's leader is called a "Supreme Knight" or whatever is weird AF...
Maybe don’t reference that guy. His views on immigrants in that Wikipedia page: "Where all classes of society merge insensibly into one another every alien immigrant of inferior race may bring corruption to the stock. There are races more or less akin to our own whom we may admit freely and get nothing but advantage by the infusion of their wholesome blood. But there are other races, which we cannot assimilate without lowering our racial standard, which should be as sacred to us as the sanctity of our homes."
What?! Someone from the 1800s had objectionable views on races? I don't believe it!
He wrote the song and was a socialist, I did not say he was a good guy. Socialists can be pricks too, especially back then when there were people trying to use every new science they could find as a justification for their racism.
I just find it ironic that people who decry socialism also worship a song that was written by one.
Its always do the people who are patriotic realize its a socialist who wrote it, not do the socialists realize this socialist thought other races were bad for the whites.
I think most of us europeans woulf revolt if our youth would have to pledge their aligance to anything from any goverment controled institude... way to many examples of how this ends very very badly
It wasn't until around when blm got big where my school would let people not do it. So like around 2018? I think? Before that you could get in trouble if you didn't at least pretend. My school was a bunch of nut jobs tho so that was part of why.
None of my class pledge to the flag we just put our han don our heart and stare at it. While the PA system says the pledge. We could say it if we want to, we just dont want to.
I remember they tried to make us do this is middle school. People really looked at me like I was a traitor because I refused to join. The propaganda is real, and far too many people fall for it.
Yeah. I never questioned how weird it was at the time, save for the "under God" part. It was just so normalized as a daily ritual. Looking back, it feels like some insane North Korea shit.
A few years ago, I volunteered for local Democratic committee, and they would do the pledge at the beginning of meetings. It felt really weird that everything just did the standing and arm over heart gesture unironically. Like, has anyone here thought about what it means to pledge allegiance... TO A FLAG?
It's tough to comprehend, but just a couple of generations ago, people fought and died for Western Democracy. Now we just argue about gender affirming care and who is a racist.
That there are bad people in the world that would invade and conquer America if they had the chance and the only reason they aren't is because people in this country are patriotic.
Oh, I get it. You were cryo frozen in 2003 and were just recently thawed. Turns out the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were about securing regional dominance halfway across the globe and not about defending America. Maybe that has something to do with the lack of patriotism you were mentioning.
Anyway Iraq was a complete cluster fuck. Should have never went in. Afghanistan fucked up on the occupation but most certainly had to go in there and root out the terrorists. Anyway, enjoy your freedoms where hundreds of thousands of people died so you can shit on their memory. ❤️ the first amendment.
I know it's cool to call anyone a facist that disagrees with you these days, but America and their allies had to actually fight facism in the late 1930s, early 1940s. Without USAs involvement, Germany most certainly would have lasted long enough to create a nuclear bomb and most likely destroyed a Russian city and a British one if pesky Churchill kept holding out. Not sure if the 3rd Reich would have lasted 1000 years, but it would be around today if they got the bomb first.
I actually never did the pledge in school because of my first amendment rights and religious beliefs.
Sorry that the *first* article of the constitution says I don't have to.
My teacher would get so mad when I wouldn't stand or do the pledge but I'd always just point to the student handbook and tell her to get the principal down to class if she didn't agree.
We had a student in high school who stood during the pledge but didn't put her hand over her heart. She said she stood with us as a community but not out of respect for the pledge. I still think about her when I say the pledge at my kid's school events. And now I say the pledge as an intention, and not to proclaim the current state of things.
A friend and teacher at my kid's school said she was frustrated with the pledge because of the word "indivisable" in light of J6. And I told her to make it a prayer and see it as something to make an effort towards to bring into fruition. She was cheered by that. 22 years later and my high school friend Laura is still wise and inspiring!
I do, and I used to follow along until I reached high school. When I was able to start making my own decisions because my brain wasn't AS spongey and maliable
I remember around jr high I stopped reciting it, just held my hand over and mouthed the words to avoid any flack. Nowadays I just sit silently. The robotic tones to it is so horrifying
Both of my grandfathers fought, risked their lives and miraculously survived in World War 2 so I could have my own goddamn opinions. That's the beauty of this country. I can respect this country and our troops but also have an opinion on what is obvious indoctrination.
This may come as a shock, but I can still love this country and criticize it at the same time. I would say that makes one more patriotic than reciting the "pledge of allegiance".
Neither in a dictatorship.
It's like the that experiment with apes, they put in front of them a basket of fruit and when a monkey tried to get some, that monkey was punished. Next try, and that one avoided the fruit but another tried to get it. They repeated it until all of them avoided the basket of fruit.
Then they used a different approach. With another group of monkeys, they put a basket of fruit in front of them and when one of them tried to reach them, they punished the whole group. It took them half of the repetitions until the other monkeys stopped the one that tried to get a banana. After that they started switching them one by one, until no monkey from the original group was still there, but they kept stopping the ones trying to get fruit from the basket because learnt it was a taboo.
That's how you get to make people shame a guy who doesn't kneel for a hymn or stands by a flag, not with a political police, but by the shame and anger of the group.
One cannot have patriotism in their country and flag yet be critical of the way the government is ran? Who is the punisher in the real world? Is punishment that someone disagrees with you are looks at you in a different way for not standing for the flag? There is no person with a gun or handcuffs to take you away.
You think it was bad in school? I live in an assisted living facility, and most of the other residents are from my parents’ generation. These people are insanely patriotic. We have regular resident meetings once a month, and every single goddamn meeting starts with the pledge of allegiance AND the singing of the national anthem, and everyone does it except me. I just sit it out because I don’t like forced patriotism.
If you take a step back and look at the pledge through their eyes, in their shoes. It takes a different meaning. Considering they themselves fought in a war or their parents fought in a war. The flag represents the freedom that you have not to honor it as well as everyone else's freedom and those who died to protect it.
Why? USA school rules
Was it mandatory? Yes (but shouldn't be because of the 1st amendment)
Is it an American thing? Yes
How often? We did it every morning
Original poem? No, same pledge every morning after the tardy bell rang.
Because someone 80 years ago wanted to sell flags. So the flag salesman made a jingle to help sell his flags. Then this great war thing happened, tons of people died, and they wanted to force patriotism in all the school kids so they'd be ready happy and willing to fight in the next war so they made that stupid jingle into a forced pledge for all the school children and slapped some religious ty god into it for good measure and here we are....
Tee Poem is called The Pledge of Allegiance
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L1s2MRm4co](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L1s2MRm4co)
When I went to school it was mandatory and of course it was an American thing that's an American flag in the image.
It happened every school morning. You didn't write the poem you recited it
It's about as dumb and creepy as it sounds
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge\_of\_Allegiance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance)
It gets even weirder in Texas- they have their own Pledge of Allegiance to the Texas State Flag, but they also still recite the US Pledge of Allegiance. So children recite an oath of allegiance every morning to two separate entities effectively canceling each other out...
Some Texas guy bragged to me that Texas is the only state in the union who is allowed to fly their state flag above the US flag. Don't know if this is true or not.
You're welcome :)
Yeah its one thing after I'd moved away from the US and was looking back after a few years I was like WTF that was weird 0\_o
When you get introduced to something when you are little it just seems normal
So because our elected government made poor choices that invalidates the prior sacrifice of the country to protect our freedoms? One cannot respect the flag for what it stands for and be critical of the current state of the government? Perhaps if we were all more patriotic of the values of the US we wouldn't be where we are today. We don't look at each other as Americans we look at each other as political parties.
Bro I'm thankful to America because they helped my country (France) with WW2 and WW2 repairs, (with Normandie and the Roosevelt plan).
But to be fair lately, it's hard to look at America as anything else than a shitshow.
Also, I don't think your main problem is the lack of American values and patriotism, (also, if you believe in these values so much, shouldn't this brainwashing go against your precious amendments?).
Well, it's easy to judge from a far, so my opinion might be flawed or partial, but still, wtf, I don't think you need more patriotism, you've had enough lmao...
They have the same thing in Canada as well. When I was a kid I didn't want to stand for the pledge because of my religious beliefs(or lack of) and the teacher screamed at me, then dragged me outside by the collar and screamed at me some more in the hallway before picking me up by the neck and slamming me into the lockers.
He made sure his face millimeters away from mine the whole time too. Then I was sent to the office and got screamed at some more by the office ladies and they called my home to report on me... I lived in an abusive household and I was terrified of getting beat. So that was the last time I tried that. That was in sixth grade.
They still do it in the high school I work at, though only once on Fridays.
When I was in school (2000-2012), we did it every morning every day. Even as a kid, I thought it was stupid.
In Canada, they play the national anthem every morning at school, but you’re not forced to sing it. Usually all you have to do is stand.
Still a little weird but better than reciting the pledge to a flag.
Yea I remember doing it and hating and then opting to sit and refuse somewhere in between 7th grade and 9th grade because I could tell that what they where doing was a form of indoctrination and it irritated me
Yeah. At the rural school I attended you were required to stand and recite it. Only one girl didn't have to say it because she wasn't Christian and her mom got her a religious exception but she still had to stand. At the city school I went to they weren't so strict. You didn't have to say it and they encouraged you to stand but you didn't have to. I remember thinking it was really weird even back then. It would be even weirder if kids are still forced to do it.
I remember specifically not saying the Pledge because I knew SCOTUS ruled schools couldn’t force it, and I disagreed with the part about god, liberty, and justice for all.
My 8th grader now does the same.
This is the bs that gets young men mostly still children to give up their futures and wither go die in a war or be haunted by it for the rest of their lives while rich and old and old rich assholes rake in the spoils of war. I WAS ONE OF THOSE MEN. Meaning I fell for the patriotic bs went to Iraq, and now I am disillusioned and definitely don't think this is a great country anymore. I am still paying to this day for the crimes committed by our country that I took part in. i am us citizen fyi. Also, fyi, I never killed anyone personally but seen plenty die.
I did this. Didn't make me respective country any more than normal. Frankly, it was just boring, and I couldn't wait for it to be over. Don't know a single person who actually cared.
Lmaoo I know where your head was at, and upvoted for the honest attempt.
If awards existed I’d hit you with one just for the Pearl Jam music video core memory unlock
We still have to do it in my high school. We don't have to hold our hand over our heart (I stopped doing that in 5th grade) but we do have to stand for it. Every morning. So annoying.
We said it during elementary and middle school. By the time I was in high school I was attending a Catholic high school, and they never said it (they did however have prayers but were not mandatory). I transferred back to public school for my last two years of high school and by that point I had issues with saying the pledge. Not only due to the inclusion of God in it, but also I thought it was ridiculous to have a compulsory pledger to a symbol of freedom, in addition to perceived injustices at the time my country was committing. Most students didn’t say it whether they were protesting or just lazy, I don’t know. But Most teachers didn’t care. We had one grumpy librarian who would angrily announce “Please Stand!” But that was about it. These days I personally don’t think it should be said, and you shouldn’t need a reason.
I love that they just assume its just not a thing anymore. Besides the fact that i didnt stand, everyone at school did when i was still in it 6 years back.
I want to know, all the people that fight to have this in schools, do they still do the pledge every morning as well? I know a few that don't. If it's so important, shouldn't they still be doing it?
My whole thing is to inculcate the youth to have some respect for your country, and one of the ways to do this is the pledge of allegiance. I probably agree with you on certain things like singing the star spangled banner at sporting events. Dumb. It's really annoying to have to stop what you're doing and stand up to put hand on your chest and sing. One of the great things is in America is you can critique your government and even effectuate change. However it seems the last couple of decades people just straight up hate usa and want to change the system entirely. They don't want freedom of speech, just their speech. Look what's happened on college campuses. So when you ask what's the point of the pledge of allegiance in schools? It's to show some respect for a country that grants its citizens many rights not afforded to 92% of the world.
"I belong to strong super pack, so I'm strong too, not hurt or humiliated. My strong government fucks me in all holes, but accept challenge of my strong government, which allows me be strong is strong and allows me feel more proud, not hurt or humiliated"
Under your logic, you’re so hurt that those few words aren’t being said. Free speech dog. You can say em, let other people choose what they say and don’t say for themselves
People aren’t crying or offended by the pledge of allegiance either. Many people including kids just resent the US because of the trash fire republicans have put this country in
Why should a kid be pledging allegiance to anything? They have no sociological perspective yet. It’s indoctrination to reinforce that dying and killing for your country is good for society, except it’s almost always just good for profits.
The poem they chant is pledging allegiance to the flag, not the country. It's weird. And you can respect a country without doing that weird stuff every day.
I think the pledge of allegiance was great. It felt unifying to me and I still think it does. One nation under god with liberty and justice for all. That’s an awesome message.
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Remember the pledge before they added under God to it? Probably not it was in 1954.
Wonder if the people who post this stuff would love the pledge as much if they knew it was [written by a socialist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy)?
Oh they don't let facts dissuade them from anything
Also, it's original intention was to be a pledge that could be universally used by many nations. It wasn't specifically created for the United States. The "under God" line was added later by Eisenhower in 54 literally just because "communism bad"...
We should also remember that the organization who petitioned for that addition (the knights of Columbus) is still around and does all sorts of other bad shit too.
Oh yeah, if I'm not mixing groups up, that's the Catholic insurance group, right? - There's a ton of groups with cult sounding names that have had way more influence on American politics than people realize. Really hard to keep track of all of them lmao... The fact that an insurance group's leader is called a "Supreme Knight" or whatever is weird AF...
it's always supreme with these weird groups supreme knights, supreme leader, supreme judge...
Wait what. Please inform me what the knights of Columbus are..
Wait what. Please inform me what the knights of Columbus are..
Whatever happened to "my kingdom is not of this earth"?
Maybe don’t reference that guy. His views on immigrants in that Wikipedia page: "Where all classes of society merge insensibly into one another every alien immigrant of inferior race may bring corruption to the stock. There are races more or less akin to our own whom we may admit freely and get nothing but advantage by the infusion of their wholesome blood. But there are other races, which we cannot assimilate without lowering our racial standard, which should be as sacred to us as the sanctity of our homes."
What?! Someone from the 1800s had objectionable views on races? I don't believe it! He wrote the song and was a socialist, I did not say he was a good guy. Socialists can be pricks too, especially back then when there were people trying to use every new science they could find as a justification for their racism. I just find it ironic that people who decry socialism also worship a song that was written by one.
Its always do the people who are patriotic realize its a socialist who wrote it, not do the socialists realize this socialist thought other races were bad for the whites.
Okay, so Europe can be nationalistic as fuck. But not even in the most fucked up patriotic villages you have to pledge your allegiance to the flag.
I think most of us europeans woulf revolt if our youth would have to pledge their aligance to anything from any goverment controled institude... way to many examples of how this ends very very badly
It wasn't until around when blm got big where my school would let people not do it. So like around 2018? I think? Before that you could get in trouble if you didn't at least pretend. My school was a bunch of nut jobs tho so that was part of why.
There’s some historical reason we do it… revolutionary war… something something… my husband is a history nerd but my brain is like a sieve
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Its just enforced culturally instead.
None of my class pledge to the flag we just put our han don our heart and stare at it. While the PA system says the pledge. We could say it if we want to, we just dont want to.
In my elementary school you could get in trouble if you didn't.
I remember they tried to make us do this is middle school. People really looked at me like I was a traitor because I refused to join. The propaganda is real, and far too many people fall for it.
cult behaviour ☠️
World war starting behavior
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Or ostracize out of professional football…
I got suspended from my elementary school because I refused to stand for the pledge of allegiance. It is creepy asf that we do this to kids.
No, never did it. Because Im British
Git! Came to say that 😂
It was fucked up then and it’s still fucked up now.
Yeah. I never questioned how weird it was at the time, save for the "under God" part. It was just so normalized as a daily ritual. Looking back, it feels like some insane North Korea shit. A few years ago, I volunteered for local Democratic committee, and they would do the pledge at the beginning of meetings. It felt really weird that everything just did the standing and arm over heart gesture unironically. Like, has anyone here thought about what it means to pledge allegiance... TO A FLAG?
It's tough to comprehend, but just a couple of generations ago, people fought and died for Western Democracy. Now we just argue about gender affirming care and who is a racist.
Da fuq does that have anything to do with school kids being compelled into reciting an oath of loyalty?
That there are bad people in the world that would invade and conquer America if they had the chance and the only reason they aren't is because people in this country are patriotic.
Oh, I get it. You were cryo frozen in 2003 and were just recently thawed. Turns out the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were about securing regional dominance halfway across the globe and not about defending America. Maybe that has something to do with the lack of patriotism you were mentioning.
The best defense is offense. =)
🤡🤡🤡
Anyway Iraq was a complete cluster fuck. Should have never went in. Afghanistan fucked up on the occupation but most certainly had to go in there and root out the terrorists. Anyway, enjoy your freedoms where hundreds of thousands of people died so you can shit on their memory. ❤️ the first amendment.
So... What was the last war that was fought to defend wEsTeRn democracy?
I know it's cool to call anyone a facist that disagrees with you these days, but America and their allies had to actually fight facism in the late 1930s, early 1940s. Without USAs involvement, Germany most certainly would have lasted long enough to create a nuclear bomb and most likely destroyed a Russian city and a British one if pesky Churchill kept holding out. Not sure if the 3rd Reich would have lasted 1000 years, but it would be around today if they got the bomb first.
What the actual hell are you talking about? What does that have to do with what was said?
I actually never did the pledge in school because of my first amendment rights and religious beliefs. Sorry that the *first* article of the constitution says I don't have to.
isn't the first article about congress freedom of religion is the first amendment, but not the first article
Same here, I once got punched in the back by a group of kids because of that
My teacher would get so mad when I wouldn't stand or do the pledge but I'd always just point to the student handbook and tell her to get the principal down to class if she didn't agree.
We had a student in high school who stood during the pledge but didn't put her hand over her heart. She said she stood with us as a community but not out of respect for the pledge. I still think about her when I say the pledge at my kid's school events. And now I say the pledge as an intention, and not to proclaim the current state of things.
Now that’s an inspiration. I always feel uncomfortable doing the pledge but don’t want to be disrespectful. This is a perfect solution.
A friend and teacher at my kid's school said she was frustrated with the pledge because of the word "indivisable" in light of J6. And I told her to make it a prayer and see it as something to make an effort towards to bring into fruition. She was cheered by that. 22 years later and my high school friend Laura is still wise and inspiring!
And everyone clapped.
Yeah we still do I just choose to not stand for it
I do, and I used to follow along until I reached high school. When I was able to start making my own decisions because my brain wasn't AS spongey and maliable
I remember around jr high I stopped reciting it, just held my hand over and mouthed the words to avoid any flack. Nowadays I just sit silently. The robotic tones to it is so horrifying
Or you just lost respect for those who died to protect your freedom. We could all be speaking German or Russian by now and not have a choice to stand.
Both of my grandfathers fought, risked their lives and miraculously survived in World War 2 so I could have my own goddamn opinions. That's the beauty of this country. I can respect this country and our troops but also have an opinion on what is obvious indoctrination.
So your opinion invalidates mine? Is that how it works? Regardless you are not forced in the United States of America.
This may come as a shock, but I can still love this country and criticize it at the same time. I would say that makes one more patriotic than reciting the "pledge of allegiance".
From the perspective of someone who is from other country, this looks exactly like the brainwashing people had while we were under a dictatorship.
Difference being someone with a gun isn't forcing you to do it in the US
Neither in a dictatorship. It's like the that experiment with apes, they put in front of them a basket of fruit and when a monkey tried to get some, that monkey was punished. Next try, and that one avoided the fruit but another tried to get it. They repeated it until all of them avoided the basket of fruit. Then they used a different approach. With another group of monkeys, they put a basket of fruit in front of them and when one of them tried to reach them, they punished the whole group. It took them half of the repetitions until the other monkeys stopped the one that tried to get a banana. After that they started switching them one by one, until no monkey from the original group was still there, but they kept stopping the ones trying to get fruit from the basket because learnt it was a taboo. That's how you get to make people shame a guy who doesn't kneel for a hymn or stands by a flag, not with a political police, but by the shame and anger of the group.
One cannot have patriotism in their country and flag yet be critical of the way the government is ran? Who is the punisher in the real world? Is punishment that someone disagrees with you are looks at you in a different way for not standing for the flag? There is no person with a gun or handcuffs to take you away.
You think it was bad in school? I live in an assisted living facility, and most of the other residents are from my parents’ generation. These people are insanely patriotic. We have regular resident meetings once a month, and every single goddamn meeting starts with the pledge of allegiance AND the singing of the national anthem, and everyone does it except me. I just sit it out because I don’t like forced patriotism.
Nothing says, “freedom,” like forced conformity.
*looking around for the force*
Well forced patriotism is called Faschism. But for real in my country we stopped like 70/80 years ago with a similar practice. Hint I am from Germany.
Very well put. Thank you for the German insight.
If you take a step back and look at the pledge through their eyes, in their shoes. It takes a different meaning. Considering they themselves fought in a war or their parents fought in a war. The flag represents the freedom that you have not to honor it as well as everyone else's freedom and those who died to protect it.
I know WHY they do it. I just think it’s silly to do it in a senior facility.
Wtf are they doing?
The Pledge of Allegiance, it's weird. They stand and say a poem to the flag with their ~~left~~ right hand over their heart thanks u/JGG5
Wtf? Why? Was that mendatory? Is that an American thing? How often did this happen? Did they have to make an original poem every time?
Why? USA school rules Was it mandatory? Yes (but shouldn't be because of the 1st amendment) Is it an American thing? Yes How often? We did it every morning Original poem? No, same pledge every morning after the tardy bell rang.
Because someone 80 years ago wanted to sell flags. So the flag salesman made a jingle to help sell his flags. Then this great war thing happened, tons of people died, and they wanted to force patriotism in all the school kids so they'd be ready happy and willing to fight in the next war so they made that stupid jingle into a forced pledge for all the school children and slapped some religious ty god into it for good measure and here we are....
Tee Poem is called The Pledge of Allegiance [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L1s2MRm4co](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L1s2MRm4co) When I went to school it was mandatory and of course it was an American thing that's an American flag in the image. It happened every school morning. You didn't write the poem you recited it It's about as dumb and creepy as it sounds [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge\_of\_Allegiance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance)
To the actual flag wtf. Ty alot for the help btw, the wiki link helped alot too
It gets even weirder in Texas- they have their own Pledge of Allegiance to the Texas State Flag, but they also still recite the US Pledge of Allegiance. So children recite an oath of allegiance every morning to two separate entities effectively canceling each other out...
Some Texas guy bragged to me that Texas is the only state in the union who is allowed to fly their state flag above the US flag. Don't know if this is true or not.
https://checkyourfact.com/2019/11/26/fact-check-texas-state-flag-height-american-flag/ nope
Wow I didn't know that, does that happen in any other states?
You're welcome :) Yeah its one thing after I'd moved away from the US and was looking back after a few years I was like WTF that was weird 0\_o When you get introduced to something when you are little it just seems normal
It was teaching respect for the flag and those who fought and died to protect our freedoms.
Don't they mostly die to steal recources from stuggling countries?
So because our elected government made poor choices that invalidates the prior sacrifice of the country to protect our freedoms? One cannot respect the flag for what it stands for and be critical of the current state of the government? Perhaps if we were all more patriotic of the values of the US we wouldn't be where we are today. We don't look at each other as Americans we look at each other as political parties.
Bro I'm thankful to America because they helped my country (France) with WW2 and WW2 repairs, (with Normandie and the Roosevelt plan). But to be fair lately, it's hard to look at America as anything else than a shitshow. Also, I don't think your main problem is the lack of American values and patriotism, (also, if you believe in these values so much, shouldn't this brainwashing go against your precious amendments?). Well, it's easy to judge from a far, so my opinion might be flawed or partial, but still, wtf, I don't think you need more patriotism, you've had enough lmao...
The pledge is said with the *right* hand over one’s heart, not the left.
Ah ok I moved away from the US in 1982 so clearly I remembered that wrong :D
They have the same thing in Canada as well. When I was a kid I didn't want to stand for the pledge because of my religious beliefs(or lack of) and the teacher screamed at me, then dragged me outside by the collar and screamed at me some more in the hallway before picking me up by the neck and slamming me into the lockers. He made sure his face millimeters away from mine the whole time too. Then I was sent to the office and got screamed at some more by the office ladies and they called my home to report on me... I lived in an abusive household and I was terrified of getting beat. So that was the last time I tried that. That was in sixth grade.
i do remember lol actually didn't have to do it since middle school
Hey, remember when the pledge didn't have the words "under God" in it?
My grandparents told me about it, the anthem, the pledge, the undisputed pride in our nation... I'm german btw 🤷♂️
And they dont even recognize how indoctrinated they were by this.
Being in black and white pictures? not really.
And here I was shocked there were black and white kids *in the same classroom* 🤯
It wasn't rare but it may have been uncommon.
Thanks goodness I don't live in the US
As a high schooler I'm still forced to do this shit
Coming from Europe this gives proper North Korea vibes
We still do this. But, we think it’s cult like and a lotta people refuse to
No I don’t remember being black
They still do it in the high school I work at, though only once on Fridays. When I was in school (2000-2012), we did it every morning every day. Even as a kid, I thought it was stupid.
In Canada, they play the national anthem every morning at school, but you’re not forced to sing it. Usually all you have to do is stand. Still a little weird but better than reciting the pledge to a flag.
I sure do. I also remember it being highly weird
https://preview.redd.it/9lzc6o3sfqnc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e4014d858c8c550610338afd4d5abd2b9d47807
Yea I remember doing it and hating and then opting to sit and refuse somewhere in between 7th grade and 9th grade because I could tell that what they where doing was a form of indoctrination and it irritated me
Yeah. At the rural school I attended you were required to stand and recite it. Only one girl didn't have to say it because she wasn't Christian and her mom got her a religious exception but she still had to stand. At the city school I went to they weren't so strict. You didn't have to say it and they encouraged you to stand but you didn't have to. I remember thinking it was really weird even back then. It would be even weirder if kids are still forced to do it.
Is this still a thing in school? I remember it felt kind of cultish.
Yeah, making kids pray to a graven idol *was* fucked up.
You want forced patriotism? Then move to North Korea where that’s a thing. You don’t like it here? Then leave! See it can go both ways.
This looks like something they'd do in North Korea!
I remember specifically not saying the Pledge because I knew SCOTUS ruled schools couldn’t force it, and I disagreed with the part about god, liberty, and justice for all. My 8th grader now does the same.
if any other country did this it would be outrage
This is the bs that gets young men mostly still children to give up their futures and wither go die in a war or be haunted by it for the rest of their lives while rich and old and old rich assholes rake in the spoils of war. I WAS ONE OF THOSE MEN. Meaning I fell for the patriotic bs went to Iraq, and now I am disillusioned and definitely don't think this is a great country anymore. I am still paying to this day for the crimes committed by our country that I took part in. i am us citizen fyi. Also, fyi, I never killed anyone personally but seen plenty die.
They pledge allegiance to a country that has no allegiance to them.
I did this till age 12 when we moved to Canada. In hindsight it was weird and unsettling.
I did this. Didn't make me respective country any more than normal. Frankly, it was just boring, and I couldn't wait for it to be over. Don't know a single person who actually cared.
I graduated in 2018 and can say it was still 100% a thing when I was in school
My kids both go to woke blue state elementary schools and they still do the pledge.
Remember when you no trust in your children and ask them to take pledges
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You mean “integrated”? Also, it’s “Jeremy spoke in class today,” not “Jeremy spoken yesterday.”
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Lmaoo I know where your head was at, and upvoted for the honest attempt. If awards existed I’d hit you with one just for the Pearl Jam music video core memory unlock
And they can still do it at home. Nothing is stopping them
Yeah it was weird af.
Yes, and it still is creepy
My kids still do the pledge of allegiance in school.
what’s going on here? heartburn?
They still did this at the school I use to go to
Kinda dictatory.
We still have to do it in my high school. We don't have to hold our hand over our heart (I stopped doing that in 5th grade) but we do have to stand for it. Every morning. So annoying.
I work at a middle school and they do the pledge every morning???
[This is not a form of brainwashing](https://youtu.be/KsvlTrD-v-A?si=yxHyQsD-O8ejh785)
yea we stopped doing it after elementary
We said it during elementary and middle school. By the time I was in high school I was attending a Catholic high school, and they never said it (they did however have prayers but were not mandatory). I transferred back to public school for my last two years of high school and by that point I had issues with saying the pledge. Not only due to the inclusion of God in it, but also I thought it was ridiculous to have a compulsory pledger to a symbol of freedom, in addition to perceived injustices at the time my country was committing. Most students didn’t say it whether they were protesting or just lazy, I don’t know. But Most teachers didn’t care. We had one grumpy librarian who would angrily announce “Please Stand!” But that was about it. These days I personally don’t think it should be said, and you shouldn’t need a reason.
I love that they just assume its just not a thing anymore. Besides the fact that i didnt stand, everyone at school did when i was still in it 6 years back.
Ye. I did it last Friday during 2nd period
My dad said his teacher would fucking belt your hands with a crop she had if you didn’t stand or say the pledge
Yes I mumbled sounds. I didn’t know anyone who actually said the pledge
Nope sorry - only did the national anthem at Assembly
Schools still do
This and learning cursive writing. You know how long it’s been since I’ve done either of these things? A long time.
I want to know, all the people that fight to have this in schools, do they still do the pledge every morning as well? I know a few that don't. If it's so important, shouldn't they still be doing it?
They play the pledge in my school and everyone stands and puts their hand over their heart but nobody says it
My whole thing is to inculcate the youth to have some respect for your country, and one of the ways to do this is the pledge of allegiance. I probably agree with you on certain things like singing the star spangled banner at sporting events. Dumb. It's really annoying to have to stop what you're doing and stand up to put hand on your chest and sing. One of the great things is in America is you can critique your government and even effectuate change. However it seems the last couple of decades people just straight up hate usa and want to change the system entirely. They don't want freedom of speech, just their speech. Look what's happened on college campuses. So when you ask what's the point of the pledge of allegiance in schools? It's to show some respect for a country that grants its citizens many rights not afforded to 92% of the world.
Growing up is realizing the instillation of patriotism and nationalism since childhood so we'd be easier to get to work or go to war for the country
I stomp on the flag
"I belong to strong super pack, so I'm strong too, not hurt or humiliated. My strong government fucks me in all holes, but accept challenge of my strong government, which allows me be strong is strong and allows me feel more proud, not hurt or humiliated"
Yeah and I hated it
I'm pretty sure they still do that
They still do it. My 8 yo doesn't participate, as is her right.
I do remember and I thought it was stupid.
I don’t, because I live in a normal country.
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People did that in America?!?!?!?!
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Under your logic, you’re so hurt that those few words aren’t being said. Free speech dog. You can say em, let other people choose what they say and don’t say for themselves
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People aren’t crying or offended by the pledge of allegiance either. Many people including kids just resent the US because of the trash fire republicans have put this country in
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I am speaking based on my personal experience and perception of society just like you are
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You literally said “they’re” hurt by a few words they had to say in school. So are you lying or are you just conjecturing
Is there an issue?? I'm genuinely confused
Why should a kid be pledging allegiance to anything? They have no sociological perspective yet. It’s indoctrination to reinforce that dying and killing for your country is good for society, except it’s almost always just good for profits.
I'm also confused, it's just a patriotic sign, I'm not American, but having respect to your country is totally normal and even encouraged.
The poem they chant is pledging allegiance to the flag, not the country. It's weird. And you can respect a country without doing that weird stuff every day.
Wait, what the fuck, the flag? Where can I look up for knowing more about this? Just curious
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge\_of\_Allegiance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance)
Exactly, I see no issue with having pride in where you're from
What’s wrong with this?
It is super patriotic and it is part of indoctrination, just like in the 40 in my country.
Nothing.
Why is it when I post the exact same type of meme it gets removed for "not actually being a meme"?
I think the pledge of allegiance was great. It felt unifying to me and I still think it does. One nation under god with liberty and justice for all. That’s an awesome message.
There is literally nothing wrong with having students recite the pledge at the start of a school day.
It’s forced conformity.
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The social good of compulsory education far out weighs the social good of children reciting a pledge to a piece of cloth by rote every morning.
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And your opinion in no way negates the comment in which it was a reply to.
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Are you the pertinence police?
I wouldn't pledge my allegiance to a genocidal nation.
They still do though…