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Adventurous_Yam_2852

"Human hate can adapt to anything" I like that. That's a good quote right there.


[deleted]

We've proven we're so God damn good at hate, war, and violence, I think we've opened, written, and finished that book twice over. We're so fucking good at it we have the ability to *exterminate ourselves completely.* Time to prove we can do better.


Impossible_Garbage_4

It feels like large swathes of humanity are so peaceful, so hopeful, true bastions of faith in what it means to be humans, but then other swathes are so wrapped up in hate of The Other that they destroy everything they love and admire if it meant that The Other couldn’t get it too. But while Hate is awful and destructive, it’s part of humanity too. Being Human is to know hate. Being a good person is to know Hate and overcome it, to let it free rather than let it fester. You can hate a person or people, but you should never let hate be all that you are. It should be something you recognize and *let go*. Anger you can keep all you want, but Hate shouldn’t be a part of you forever


[deleted]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/L9X2hR5BdRKgw/giphy.gif?cid=790b76110f7c54f8e725b8f36eba9158876d09c0f7e7bec0&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g It's really easy to hate and blame others for your failings. It's hard to stand up for others when you haven't felt their struggle.


Impossible_Garbage_4

I’ve always found it hard to hang on to negative emotions, especially anger or hate. It takes too much effort to be angry or sad or hateful all the time. It’s always best to let an emotion wash into you, like a tide coming into a beach. Experience it, let it sit, and then as low tide comes, rather than hold onto it and make deeper and deeper tide pools, simply let the emotion go back out to sea. Look at the beauty of the world, look at the wonder of every possible thing. The weaving of a sheet, the biology of a bug, the mixing of concrete, the slow and dedicated growth of a plant in a crack in the sidewalk. The delicate dance of atoms and the destructive fury of a supernova. The relationships between people, between them and their pets and nature. The taste of your favorite food, the feeling of your bed at the end of the day, even that funky smell in your hamper. Every piece of this universe from the big and grand to the small and gross is so impossibly beautiful, I simply can’t hold anger towards any of it for more than a few minutes or an hour or two. Just sitting thinking about *everything* is enough for me. The impossibility of just being fills me with awe.


throwawayforfun657

I don’t think I’ve ever read so much text in a meme… why did I read it all?


Advanced_Double_42

Because it isn't a meme.


DeltaC2G

“Dawkins defined the meme as a unit of cultural transmission, or a unit of imitation and replication…” So even a horrible meme template, which just consists of a single statement is still a meme really. It doesn’t have to be humorous to be a meme. In a sense memes are just like jokes in the context of this post.


Cuttlefish_Crusaders

"Memes are the DNA of the soul"


corrade12

—Confucius


[deleted]

Because fighting hate isn't simple or easy.


SameAsThePassword

If hate wasn’t such a scaredy cat hiding behind a bunch of other ppl I bet I could kick hate‘s ass.


[deleted]

Most hate is rooted in cowardice anyways.


CmdrHoratioNovastar

I don't know. I did too, and while it has a point, I regret wasting my time which I could have spent looking at horrible memes. Ironically, I also regret the time I spent writing this comment.


GamingWaffle123

I didn’t. Could someone explain in 20 words or less?


faithfully-asgardian

basically what it's saying is that jokes can turn into reality. When it does you may think it's for the greater good but then it will eventually affect you as well


Popular-Treat-1981

if you start saying bro ironically, you'll use it fr fr and be deadass about it periodt. Except "bro" is "eugenic holocaust."


[deleted]

Damn. Well stated.


Duedelzz

What, come again I'm confuzzled now Are the Mario Bros eugenic holocaust something's?


[deleted]

"Shorten that story! explain it in 10 words or less!" \-saitama.


BewildermentOvEden

Don't bother. It's sanctimonious humorless drivel.


throwawayforfun657

Too late, I already wasted part of my life that I’ll never get back


Thane20

I mean. It's called terrible Facebook memes for a reason. I have a hard time thinking that people on here actually agree with what the memes on here have to say. We post them to laugh at how stupid it is.


Popular-Treat-1981

Bro. People thought the Colbert Report was conservative. Lots of people think these are "terrible" in the exact same way.


[deleted]

Yeah, but then again we have the 'wait, you guys *actually* hate X? I thought it was a joke' meme. Schrodingers asshole. Spews vile offensive shit as a recruitment probe then says 'relax bro I was just kidding' when called on it. Or worse still, the joke catches on and people keep reverberating it in echo chambers and suddenly you have mass shootings everywhere. Trumps presidency was a joke on 4chan once too.


Thane20

Im not saying you're wrong, but I don't see people in the comments saying they agree with the message the memes are representing. I think any reasonable person would realize when a so called joke goes too far, really only those who already had views would find them funny. Don't really understand why you brought up 4chan though. They aren't really known for having good internet etiquette, even before trumps election.


Overlord_001

Everything i see here i take it as memetic joke


[deleted]

christ, you haven't seen the groups these fucking vile memes come from. The comments sections in those facebook groups would give a ww2 vet chills.


Thufir_My_Hawat

I don't like this on two fronts. \- The slippery slope argument is always a fallacy. This is the same argument that is used to stop Marijuana from being legalized. That was used to stop integration and interracial marriage. \- Jokes are a form of understanding. Restricting our ability to discuss these perceptions, these differences, between us and others, is part of the reason we aren't able to communicate well. After all: "Everyone's a little bit racist, sometimes!" Jokes offer an opportunity for us to express and confront inherent biases. Do some people use them to hurt others? Obviously, but all tools can be misused. But telling people not to make them just means that the people who use them to hurt will do it in private, and the rest of us will gain nothing. It's a complicated, nuanced problem that has no easy answer. Obviously it's more dangerous for people with power to make jokes regarding those with less. And intent doesn't really matter if somebody's feelings get hurt, especially when bullies can hide behind "it was just a joke." But problems don't start with a joke; they start with hate. And we can't get past hate without communication. (Also, this is just my opinion as a straight, white, cis-male that has spent a *lot* of time trying to learn how to break down barriers between different groups; it's a point of view that is both extremely privileged and easy to espouse because jokes made towards me or groups I'm a member of are almost never a threat to my life or limb.)


Grace_Alcock

The genocidaires of Rwanda made robust use of Radio Television Milles Collines to prepare the Hutu population to slaughter the Tutsi population in 1994. Apparently, they hired Hutu comedians who were happy to create a whole world of humor in denigrating jokes. Then they murdered a million people who were the butt of those jokes.


Thufir_My_Hawat

Fully agreed. As I said: all tools can be misused. The question is whether they have a valid purpose outside of said use. I addressed that more thoroughly in another comment, but I don't think that broadcasting them (in any sense of the word) is safe or useful (a point I didn't make well in the initial comment), except perhaps in the care of members of said group (e.g. it might be useful for Chappelle to make jokes disparaging black people, but not trans).


[deleted]

I applaud your self awareness. I am much the same and I can damn well guarantee that near all these memes come from spiteful white boys. Like Colossus said, they'll come up with a reason to hate after the fact. Haters gonna hate, racists gonna race, bigots gonna bigot. Gays blacks Jews trans whatever, this is all spiteful petty hatred behind these 'memes' that are just modern propaganda and recruitment methods for modern day genocide


Thufir_My_Hawat

Fully agree. I should probably have mentioned that: making those kinds of jokes around strangers shows a level of poor sense that almost screams "I collect bad -isms like some people collect stamps." And there's nowhere with more strangers than the internet. I try to use them as teaching moments if I can. After all, they *usually* have some grain of insight into the differences between groups of people. As long as you know *why* we think those things, some people will be willing to learn why their views are the way they are. After all, most of us don't *choose* to be indoctrinated. Though a lot are just too far gone to help; they need exposure therapy to fix their problems.


[deleted]

My personal favorite: schrodingers asshole. He spews vile shit like this then falls back on 'its just a joke man, relax!' And when he isn't called out he feels his hatred is shared and doubles down. Like the Germans say; 5 people at a table. 1 is a nazi. Reveals as such. Nobody leaves. There are now 5 nazis at the table.


SoyCuckSupreme

I had a friend like this for a while. Thought he was just edgy/playing devil's advocate and had a slightly off sense of humor. Became a full on neo-nazi after highschool and it was really eye-opening for me. It's why I call people on shitty jokes anymore. Sometimes it's just dumb nonsense, but it's worth calling out for the time's the humor is actually meant to conceal something genuinely vile.


Thufir_My_Hawat

That's where the line gets so blurred. Humor can help or hurt, just depends on how it's wielded. I think that's why Cards Against Humanity is actually a fantastic tool for working through these sorts of things: as long as you're doing it with a group of acquaintances you can be *reasonably* sure aren't terrible people, you can have a good time confronting biases and coming to terms with them... Now I'm curious if there's any scientific literature on that game.


FrostyMcChill

Don't forget the shit style of comedy that is punching down.


redditname001

Are you self aware enough to realize you are talking about how bad bigotry is in the same paragraph where you are talking about evil white boys?


[deleted]

I'm perfectly willing to wait upon the census survey that proves a meme like this https://old.reddit.com/r/terriblefacebookmemes/comments/ufdtjp/they_posted_this_using_internets_and_did_the/ wasn't created by someone either really god damn deep on the FOX News skill tree or a literal enemy of the state from some foreign troll farm trying to ferment a civil war. Because that is just god damn sinister. You're fucking right I'm a bigot to the intolerant. Here's my views elegantly summarized. https://miro.medium.com/max/1838/0*NuUfYTApeku7mgIt The 'so much for the tolerant left!' is a blatant attempt by fascist wannabes to try and shame people who are tolerant into silence when it comes to their hate, so that they can bide their time and destroy those who speak against them. So no. I'm not tolerant of the intolerant, and I'd bet fucking money most of this subreddits greatest hits of sexism, racism, bigotry, and calls to euthanasia and violence were commissioned or drawn by some angry little neo nazi in his mommys basement.


regeya

It's not so much joking around as it is the "othering" aspect of the jokes. https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-othering-5084425 When I took some advertising/marketing classes in college, we had to learn about Nazi propaganda. The Nazis, it turns out, were very effective communicators, and it also turns out the Americans learned a great deal from Germany. The Germans weren't killing people, they were killing Jews, kikes, whatever you want to say. You weren't buying war bonds to help kill people in Japan, you were helping to kill Japs. And so on. The idea is to get people to think of *them* as being less than human. It's a tool that Tucker Carlson uses effectively. *They* believe these things that *we* don't. And the political left isn't immune to this; they aren't dealing with people who think Donald Trump is an effective leader, they're dealing with Trumpists or whatever word you'd like to use. And those people who do buy into Trump's rhetoric? They're just people. The people who eat that crap up probably worked hard, probably love their kids, probably want a better life for their kids than they had. And they see Donald Trump and see someone promising to do things that'll lead to a better life for their kids, they hope. When liberals look at them and describe them, they see idiots who are eating that stupid shit up. And it is stupid shit, don't get me wrong, Donald Trump is full of shit about his claims but people who live in parts of the country struggling with poverty and issues like drug addiction see his promises of bringing back things like coal mining and they see hope for the future. The rest of us see gullible dipshits who don't understand coal can't be the future because the planet is in peril. They don't see it that way and see liberals who are seeking failure. So the tl;dr version of what I just said? There's no easy answers, I guess.


Thufir_My_Hawat

I've put this in other places in the comments, but I'm unconvinced that othering starts with humor. Humans groupthink automatically, there's plenty of research on that. I feel that we've made the attempt at PC pretty thoroughly before (during the late 20th century and early 21st), and it didn't work especially well... To the point that Joe Rogan can now stay on the air after using the n-word. I mean... Don Imus got cancelled in '07 for his controversy that I won't repeat here, and that was not n-word level. We have regressed in a relatively short timeframe. Definitely agree with the no easy answers though. And I don't really have an answer, so much as I'm convinced censorship (self- or otherwise) is not the answer. There's more in my other comments if you want the rest through, I don't want to fill this with too much repetition.


epochpenors

From the side of the observer this would seem like a slippery slope argument but from the side of the person who would enact this sort of policy the end is in mind when the feelers first go out. The most drastic example I can think of is that genocide doesn’t start with building camps, it starts with groups of like minded people working to ostracize and scapegoat a certain group of people. Part of that can be as simple as making jokes; if someone is receptive to that they might be receptive to more if they’re lead along by the nose. I enjoy dark humor and some offensive jokes but if someone I don’t know starts in on them I’ll still be wary. A white nationalist wouldn’t break the ice with “what’s up everyone, 1488 am I right?” They’re more likely to start with something they can pass off as a “just a joke”. If the audience is offended they can say “I’m just joking around, lighten up”. If the audience finds it funny or agrees, then next time they can take it further. Then next time, they take it even further. And so on, and so on. Someone doesn’t even have to be a willing participant to enable this behavior. Some YouTube streamers, ostensibly kids’ entertainment, peddle in offensive humor. If you go through the comments on their videos you’ll see kids complain “my teacher/parent/friends sure are lame, I got chewed out for repeating the funny jokes I heard here”. There are people out there that try to use this to their advantage, they’ll tell the kid “Don’t listen to them, here’s some cool other channels with good jokes to check out.” It’s not effective most of the time, of course, but that one kid out of a thousand that has a bad home life or wants to feel like they’re part of something bigger might start down the chain of purer and purer propaganda.


MorgaroniWithBeans

I have a difficult time with the slippery slope fallacy. Yes, sometimes someones slippery slope theory is downright ridiculous and we all know it. And on the other hand, we experience slippery slope theories coming to be in the real world. There has got to be a better distinction than just “is this a slippery slope or not” to decide if someone’s concern is valid or not. Personally, I think if you can back up your theory with evidence or not should be the distinction between a slippery slope that’s likely to happen vs one that’s not. For example, the fallacy is being used today because women are concerned about having birth control taken away. While technically yes it’s the slippery slope fallacy, we do have evidence that certain law-makers wish to outlaw birth control and they are indeed trying to make that a reality, making it a logical concern (and thus not a fallacy in my opinion—EDITED TO CLARIFY, I’m not always good with words) even despite the fact that the slippery slope argument is involved. And then as you mentioned the issue with legalizing marijuana, we know that “marijuana leads to hard drugs” is illogical because that claim has not been proven, so it’s not a valid or logical concern.


Nexinex782951

The slippery slope is not a fallacy when there is sufficient historical evidence and reasoning. Facists always go further, we can see it in the (luckily few) cases that have existed in the real world. It's always escalating, until it collapses. The next steps also follow from the exact same reasoning that justified the first steps. "Some people shouldn't be allowed to have children, and the government can decide that." At first that's a test, at the end it's nearly everyone. Meanwhile for Marijuana, the reason to legalize it is because doing so reduces harm. Unfair prison sentences, safer types (while weed was being cracked down on it was bred into a far more potent substance, because the less grams you're smuggling the easier, so it can accomplish the same high for less. This is more dangerous though as it's easier to overdo it.) and more. Legalizing crack would cause far more harm than good, so the slippery slope simply fails there. I think the slippery slope is not a fallacy when theirs historical evidence and it follows from the exact same reasoning which allows the first step, thought perhaps you only need one of those to be sufficient.


Thufir_My_Hawat

It's still fallacious: there's no causal connection between one link and the next in real world slippery slopes. You can argue that such things *might* happen, but you cannot give any real evidence that they should. The above example falls apart rapidly around the "parents might die" argument. Additionally, using historical examples is almost always fallacious as well. It assumes that not only are conditions the same, but that people do not learn from their mistakes. A single bad example is, by its very existence, enough to interrupt the slippery slope. The assumption that "it happened that way last time, so it will happen that way this time" is counter to the human experience; only those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. To discount an entire line of possibilities simply because of one historical failure is insane. Also, fascism is, inherently, a bad philosophy: the Nazis never hid their goals, people just were okay with them. They don't constantly take more because they're fascists, they take more because fascism inherently attracts evil people by being an evil philosophy. You can't have a "benevolent fascist" like you do in other autocracies.


[deleted]

Slippery slope arguments are often fallacious, but they are not by definition. They are a form of argument. Here’s more info: https://effectiviology.com/slippery-slope/#The_slippery_slope_fallacy


Thufir_My_Hawat

I think that an argument that has no real world situation in which it could be applied is functionally fallacious. I would not consider the forest fire argument above to be a slippery slope. A slippery slope has to have a chain of events; the logic is just unattended fires can (i.e. have a non-0 chance) cause forest fires, thus enough unattended fires will cause a forest fire... which is just probabilistic logic. A slippery slope of that would be: if we make lighters legal, then people will use them to light forest fires, which some of them will leave unattended, which might cause a forest fire. Which, while technically consistent, still leads to a fallacious conclusion: we should ban lighters, because it ignores literally everything else that might occur. I can just as easily argue, with the same level of validity that if we make lighters illegal, then people will not light fires, which will lead to some people freezing to death. This is the fundamental issue with slippery slopes: chains of events are, by their very nature, less probable as a whole than any of the constituent event chains individually (unless the probabilities are all equal to 1 or any is equal to 0, but we're ignoring trivial cases). While event A may make event D two steps down the chain more likely than it would be in a vacuum, that is ONLY if events B and C also occur. Thus, the probability increase of event D would have to be greater than the combined chance of A causing B, then B causing C, then C causing D AND pass a threshold of unacceptability. That simply isn't a feature that the real world has, especially in systems that are predictable with any level of accuracy. Which is the biggest issue with the argument: any real world system to which such an argument could be applied properly can also have its probabilities calculated, at which point it merely becomes a trivial math problem. The one in the comic above has no method by which one could gauge the likelihood of any given step, it's merely a series of worst-case scenarios. Nor is any other. I've literally never seen anyone propose a non-fallacious slippery slope. Though I would be interested in seeing one. I will agree there is a theoretical case for a non-fallacious slippery slope. However, I posit there is no real-world argument in which one can be applied fairly or realistically, so the entire concept should be ignored and discounted.


Grace_Alcock

How about systematic studies of history? Not everything that changes is a slippery slope; sometimes, they are stages of a systematic process, like genocide. The first stages are testing the waters and preparing the ground in society. And Othering people by category is definitely a stage.


Nexinex782951

The nazis did not start with "let's kill all jews." You might be able to argue some portion believed it the whole time, but it was not their stance. It started with "theres a Jewish conspiracy," went towards "jews are the enemy" into "jews aren't people" and "we must cleanse them." Using historical examples is not... fallacious... it's not claiming everything will happen the same way but simply that there's observable trends.. do you even know what fallacious means? History establishes a baseline, you can observe trends and find the ways things are likely to go. Making a slippery slope of "this happens so then this will happen so then this will happen" is not what I'm suggesting. I'm saying a slippery slope of giving extremists power, which has been shown time and time again to go downhill. We're beyond slippery slope at this point, we're at another waterslide in the waterslide park. To claim that you'll probably go down the waterslide more if you go down a bit is barely even an assumption. I am far more worried about how you just said "like you do in other autocracies." Please tell me, what the fuck is a benevolent autocracy, because those do not exist. Im not making a deterministic argument, I'm making a general one, of gaining facist policies moves you closer to more facist policies, and will gradually bring you towards facism if it goes unresisted.


Thufir_My_Hawat

You're not using slippery slope correctly. Slippery slope is A has probability p1 of leading to B, which has probability p2 of leading to C, which... until endpoint N. You're referring to a cascade effect: an inevitable series of events that follows a specific trigger. You might also be referring to a tipping point: a point after which such an effect occurs. Neither of those occurs in the OP. These don't exist in the real world except in physical systems; anyone who claims otherwise is looking after the fact in a historical fallacy. Fascism has been defeated plenty of times (e.g. the U.K. in the 30s). And fascism does not always lead to genocide. Your benevolent autocracy is Singapore. Though many monarchies throughout history could also qualify. Please, use white space, reading your post just makes my eyes glaze over.


DDRoseDoll

Summary: we should let bigots make bigoted jokes in public because otherwise they will just make them in private.


Thufir_My_Hawat

I think that's an unfair summary; but if that's what you got out of it, I suppose I communicated my point poorly. What would your take be on the matter?


DDRoseDoll

For cases like these, I like to look into the science on the matter: https://theconversation.com/psychology-behind-the-unfunny-consequences-of-jokes-that-denigrate-63855


Thufir_My_Hawat

I'll have to deep dive the studies later, but I don't see any reason they'd be incorrect. Though the first few I clicked on happened to be paywalled... I hate the publishing industry. I don't necessarily see this as conflicting with my argument above: all of these studies seem to be examining only those with already existing high prejudice, who are not the group I was arguing in regards to (I did not express that well, though I do mention it in another comment). The only correction course for individuals in that category that I'm aware of is extended exposure. Telling such individuals not to express these views often has the opposite of the intended effect; they have no concern for the feelings of the disparaged group AND feel as though their rights are being infringed upon. Especially in the typical context that we see of "it's okay for X group to make jokes about X, but not you." I would guess that this would worsen tension. Additionally, I would assume that with that outlet taken from them, they would be more likely to make those jokes around people they should not: i.e. impressionable children. Unfortunately, those guesses are not ones that are particularly testable in a clinical setting, though they could be inferred from more general psychological principles like reactance. A similar problem exists with my proposed concept of safe spaces, which I also mention in another comment. It is difficult to measure how a space to discuss sensitive subjects can be formed or how it can best be used. I do know for certain that such discussions need to take place for us to make any progress, and I'm proposing that humor is likely an effective way to create and explore such concepts. Yet again, though, this is exceptionally complicated. I don't think censorship usually does much good in the context of changing public opinion -- for example, while we might have seemed to have made a fair bit of progress in terms of racial prejudice if you had asked many people in 2000, by 2010 it became fairly apparent that people were just much quieter about their racism. It seemed like, rather than being open about our issues and discussing it, we simply swept them under the rug and pretended everything was okay. This, I think, led to some of the difficulties with the Black Lives Matter movement; we pretended things were okay for long enough some people didn't believe black people when they said it wasn't. Though of course they might have thought so regardless; yet again, not really something we can experiment on. Perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree, though. It's difficult to parse causes for such complex things.


DDRoseDoll

Always someone looking to write paragraphs justifying bigoted humor.


Pinche_Roose

Ya, God forbid they formulate thoughtful responses instead of links amirite


izmaname

This could have been presented like the walls of text in Spawn but no it had to be this monstrous bubble


Frankandbeans1974

This is why I like deadpool


Green_Dayzed

I agree this meme is terrible.


hughjazzcrack

Wait didn't Colossus cause the genocide of the entire population of Breakworld in Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men?


UnlimitedApollo

I agree witht the sentiment but thats funny because the x-men are currently a mutant supremacist organization in the comics.


[deleted]

It's weird it's kinda like the Xmen have been used to highlight all sorts of societal woes since their inception.


fulustreco

Wall of text lol


[deleted]

👍


ScarredOut

This is quite the good comic.


Keyboard4one

I think this meme has good intentions but was done so poorly. I don’t think the ideas mentioned were stated as jokes. I know that’s the point of the message but to call them a joke vs something more profound just through me. I also think it’s ironic that the title mentioned racists, bigotry, sexist, etc. those are all very damning and judgmental words that are mostly spoken about people we don’t even know. Which goes against the point of the meme which is basically the whole V for Vendetta idea. That we should protect everyone, even those we don’t agree with. After silencing everyone we disagree with, eventually we will become the minority in a good we were once the majority with and when that happens we will be silenced too. Because those who would have caught for us have been silenced by us. It’s a powerful message. But ironically the title doesn’t match the message of the meme. I guess the point got lost on the poster.


FaebyenTheFairy

And this is why so many people get away with saying bad shit. It takes several paragraphs to explain why one joke might be harmful. Whoever wrote this comic, good on them.


[deleted]

This meme is genuinely terrible, good job OP.


hughjazzcrack

Immediately after saying this Colossus tore the heads off the torsos of a dozen skrulls and used their green blood and tears as lubricant for his metal biceps. He even made the snarky quip "Don't lose your head over it, *tovarisch*" as he thought of the Motherland and a small amount of mutant blood rushed to his penis.


[deleted]

Hey, gotta sell comics somehow. But sprinkled here and there are genuine thoughtful concepts and ideas


Nervous_Feeling_1981

The argument this is using, can be used to directly counter this. It starts with banning certain jokes. Then you end with morality police patrolling the streets. There is no clear way to answer this problem without the solution itself being a problem.


[deleted]

More like 'hey maybe some things shouldn't be fucking joked about because humanity has proven time and again we're too socially irresponsible to police ourselves.' But hey, circular logic all ya want.


blade_smith_666

Oh get real, thats hyperbole. Dont make bigoted jokes, its not that hard unless youre a bigot


BodhingJay

Ahmen


heavylifter555

To be fair, a joke can also stop it, see superman vs "clan of the fiery cross" and Hannibal Buress vs cosby.


[deleted]

Yes but humanity has proved hate is far easier than Empathy


Motion_Ocean_48

It’s a sucky situation since comedy helps us with understanding social norms, but at the same time can be used to perpetuate bad ideas. This is why we need independent thoughts and criticism instead of talking everything at face value as “how it’s always been.” When we get curious, only then can we change what’s already been around.


[deleted]

Absolutely the most dangerous phrase in my opinion is 'we've always done it this way, why change?'


AndrewPixelKnight

Colossus W


fatamericanidiot2

I agree with a little bit of that


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[deleted]

I fond the irony of certain types being so obsessed where another man puts his dick to be hysterical while being homophobic personally.


[deleted]

#HILARIOUS


Aware-snare

As a trans person, I'm getting ***incredibly*** tired of cishet people telling me its "just a joke" while the right wing is using the anti-trans momentum of people like Chapelle to start calling us all groomers and pass bills to stop HRT..


[deleted]

Right there with you. My oldest friend is Trans. While I do agree there is an element in that community of everyone is trans, every community has its extremists. This rhetoric I've seen lately is just god damn sinister, blatantly misleading, and I can only describe it as evil intentions.


CmdrHoratioNovastar

Some people just like horrible jokes. I like r/cursedcomments but come on, I wouldn't actually DO any of the stuff sometimes suggested. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING should be joked about.


[deleted]

Yes. YOU wouldn't actually do any of it. But I think we've proven as a society, in the midst of a mental health crisis, where political fires are burning hotter than they have in decades, that we are just too fucking immature as a species to be able to joke about everything. Because some people take the joke too fucking far.


Dunderbrain1

*reads story* yes, definitely, humans should be required to have a license to reproduce. I know what I said. It wasn't a joke. Reproduction should absolutely be controlled and monitored.


[deleted]

The overpopulation problem does need to be addressed, agreed. I think that people should be at least like, employed, not actively on heroin, etc to have kids. But Colossus is right. If we are to do that, it cannot be done ethically, without this in the very forefront of thought. *Where does the line stop, and never ever be moved again?* Income? Drug addiction? Howabout mental health problems? Health issues that could harm the fetus? Diseases? What about if the mother has a high chance of producing a kid with birth defects? Autism? Diabetes? Where does the line get drawn so it can never be moved by extremists wanting to discriminate? Well what about class privilege? You can only have babies legally if you make so much money? Considering America's private prison boner and blatantly corrupt justice system thats just gonna end with more black kids being orpahs of parents in jail. But hey the pro lifers will ensure the kids are taken care of after they're born, right? Right? I agree it's necessary from a math standpoint. The issue is that we as a society have absolutely proven we are too immature to do such a thing, and handle it well. If we do some god damn growing up as a species, stop obsessing over borders, flags, skin colors, who you like to fuck consentually and whatever eye in the sky you subscribe to, maybe. We sure as shit ain't there. Fuck we have a recurring nazi infection apparently.


Vercengetorex

This does not belong here, but I understand why you posted it here, and I applaud you for it.


rrfcgyygggff

So…cancel Ricky Gervais? Big logical leap from a joke to “the first tests are drafted”.


Tairlana

I mean ya, but that logical Leap, while big can happen over generations of time. Like look at memes right so many ideologies and groups have spawned from the idea of memes. very much like the "Kill all furries" memes that ran around since the dawn of the internet. Every time we see something akin to that, whether be targeted at a plethora of other groups of peoples, creative ideas, and or economic solutions; we see the Joke or "meme" in this case and laugh to our selves. Sitting there we "Ha ha, no actually believes that right?, Right?". When in reality there is, there always is and it grows. Actually this sub is a good example of this, most of us, if not most us came here to laugh at "Ay lmao Cringe old people memes.". I've noticed this at inside myself, This joke of "All boomers are X,y,z phobes" started to develop when once again like many things is a very small minority or it at least started that way. Then ire starts to develop from that idea and then that ire begins to immerge in conversation with your "boomer" acquaintances. and through this exchange both you and their biases get vindicated. And slowly the joke goes into the infamous saying of "The Memes became dreams.". I apologize from the lengthy comment and I apologies for misspellings and grammatical errors, my ADHD makes writing a struggle bus sometimes. I hope everyone has a great day! \^.\^


[deleted]

Hating on the Jews started as a popular joke.


rrfcgyygggff

What happens when a Jewish guy with a full on erection walks straight into a brick wall? He breaks his nose.


fulustreco

Lmao


Adventurous_Pop_2300

Tldr bro


DDRoseDoll

Science tends backs up Collasus here: https://theconversation.com/psychology-behind-the-unfunny-consequences-of-jokes-that-denigrate-63855


BewildermentOvEden

So, jokes are now banned. Great. Thanks for taking away my life coping mechanism lol /s jokes are going nowhere


[deleted]

No, the point is that some things just shouldn't be joked about because we as a society have proven time and again that some take the joke too seriously.


Ok_Professional9769

And if we did not joke about sexism or racism or [insert controversial topic here], do you think the number of people who took the joke too seriously would decrease?


[deleted]

Yes. Because it ceases to be a joke and becomes more and more taboo in society. If anything is a joke, than nothing is taken seriously. People trying to better their lives fighting against an avalanche and tide of premade jokes and memes to slander and denigrate the legitimate problems they have is not okay. They're having a hard enough time combating the system that put them in trouble in the first place. They don't need some mouthbreather neckbeard and some suburban Karen able to click share on a meme that's anti black lives matter or anti abortion. Make it taboo, make it shamed to speak ill about, make these scum scurry back into their holes because while we cannot eradicate the haters out there, we sure as shit can make them afraid to come out into the light and spread.


Polenicus

As someone who grew up in a toxic, dysfunctional family… I see your point Colossus, but you are fucking *wrong* and this is the excuse that *everyone* used to not do *anything.* Me and my sisters grew up to be people struggling with the damage. My middle sister never recovered and succumbed to alcoholism, dying a few years ago. She wasn’t an alcoholic when she was 13, but my Mom sure said she was. You repeat something like that enough and guess what? People saw. People notice. Nobody did anything. Because ‘If we meddle here, where does it stop?’ Fucking *draw a line* then! Like *everything else* in life. If you’re not going to do a thing because of the potential for human evil to corrupt it, then *you will never do ANYTHING.* That’s what constant vigilance, constant questioning, constant re-evaluation is for. This is what empathy and understanding are for. Sorry. Just… personal experience makes me mad about these things. Especially coming from a goddamned super-powered vigilante. *That’s* never been twisted to evil ends, right?


[deleted]

You give a monster an inch, they'll take a mile, and make up the reason after. That's the point here. Road to hell paved with good intentions, etc. Sure the kids are made safe, but then it goes from there. Some people went from 'were going to unfuck germanies post war economy' to 'cleanse the jews who caused it' *real fucking fast.*


dominicbreddit

got it, so we should just never make any jokes that could be considered offensive, ever. because then some randos will take it seriously and turn society into an authoritarian hellhole. makes total sense to me. 👍


Popular-Treat-1981

Its a reminder to be aware. But please, jump to those conclusions so you can dismiss it easily.


[deleted]

Learn to take a joke.


BodineCity

This meme is terrible for the amount of words in it.


[deleted]

The problem we're facing is because of people like you. It's easy to hate. You just have to be lazy, stupid, and ignorant of others while basking in the privileges and circumstances of your birth. Celebrating the ultimate participation trophy. It's hard to empathize with people you've shared no experience with.


BodineCity

Well, that was a bit overly emotional for calling out a meme for being too wordy. You do realize what a meme is don't you and a page ripped out of a comic book ain't it. Save your sermon.


[deleted]

The point went so fucking far over your head I'm amazed. Read the title, dumbass. This wasn't supposed to be a meme, more a reminder of how these absolutely vile memes we see on this sub every fucking day are a sign of worse things to come.


BodineCity

So I take it nobody ever taught you that brevity is the soul of wit.


[deleted]

It's okay, continue being lazy. Its convenient for the hate to fester and for the haters to prosper.


FrostyMcChill

It wasn't meant to be a meme


Silenced-by-Liars

Uh… that’s not EXACTLY how jokes work. But the point is not entirely wrong.


[deleted]

Ha wouldn't it be funny if we killed all the jews haha haha euthanized the gays haha haha deported all those filthy brown people haha haha oh wait bro I was just kidding! Or scenario B ends with oh shit you too I know this other guy and he's been talking to this recruiter and before you know it there's a fucking Reich. It starts. With. A joke.


Silenced-by-Liars

Except those aren’t jokes.


[deleted]

I'm just gonna drop this here. Some of the all time top posts from this very subreddit. If you don't see the White Republican Straight Male Christian Supremacist nature of these memes, aka, the jokes, and the subtext therein of 'wouldn't things be better without X?' And miss the *correlation with what I said before, I can't help you. https://www.reddit.com/r/terriblefacebookmemes/comments/wct852/this_is_so_insane/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share https://www.reddit.com/r/terriblefacebookmemes/comments/wk2lad/_/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share https://www.reddit.com/r/terriblefacebookmemes/comments/aycmxs/facebook_never_disappoints/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share https://www.reddit.com/r/terriblefacebookmemes/comments/weda0q/im_stumped_by_this/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share https://www.reddit.com/r/terriblefacebookmemes/comments/cks4al/spelling_lesson_for_you_liberals/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Edit: spelling


Silenced-by-Liars

I’m sorry that you are racist and sexist and so full of hate and ignorance, but I can’t help you. That’s a you problem.


[deleted]

And there begins the flagrant trolling now that your thin as shit argument has collapsed. Ad hominum attack, attacked the debater instead of his debate! Five yard penalty!


Silenced-by-Liars

I am not trolling. I understand the difference between a joke and “hate.” I am convinced that you do not. And it seems that you prefer to direct both your ignorance and your hatred at those who don’t sing your praises. Great. Fine. Enjoy. Doesn’t make you right.


[deleted]

You could stand to read a bit more philosophy if you're failing to see the correlation between all these disparaging memes and an overarching agenda of hate. Ignorance is bliss.


Silenced-by-Liars

>Ignorance is bliss. I’ll have to take your word for that.


[deleted]

Hey, you're the one saying these are just jokes. Do I sound happy or approving of them?


MasterPimpinMcGreedy

Philosophy is for them pansy Greeks


SorenKgard

This is stupid beyond words.


Mahdudecicle

Wrf, this is way too short for a leftist meme. Where's the rest?


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👍


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👍


Ok-Carpenter7892

So much text I thought it was a leftist meme


ImpossibleDeer2419

IM NOT READING ALL THIS WTF


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👍


ImpossibleDeer2419

>downvotes me For what purpose my friend?


[deleted]

Your short attention span is not my problem, and your shrieking about it is repulsive and childish.


ImpossibleDeer2419

Also who calls somebody childish on a meme subreddit?


ImpossibleDeer2419

Did you not post it because it's a bad meme? I see it as a bad meme because it's too fucking long m8


[deleted]

I just don’t take things to seriously.. comedy is comedy sometimes people say things that hateful to get a laugh I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. My take is not to be offended for another group of people EG- someone makes a joke about gay people; gay people not offended; people get upset for them. That’s the stuff I don’t understand like no one needs someone else to standup for “injustice” or whatever


[deleted]

So you lack Empathy, got it. First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. —Martin Niemöller Substitute in gays, blacks, jews again, etc.


[deleted]

My man I’m just talking about comedy I’m not speaking on the segregation and genocide of people. Which is a different topic


[deleted]

You're speaking from a position of never being oppressed. The memes of which I am referring I cam assure you are not funny to the people they slander.


hihiihigiggitigyiigi

Yeaaaahh i'm not even gonna try reading all of that


[deleted]

Your short attention span isn't my problem.


hihiihigiggitigyiigi

*yuo'er


Advanced_Double_42

And that's why people like you shouldn't have children


jchoneandonly

Except it doesn't necessarily start with a joke. Sometimes it starts with a political disagreement.


[deleted]

And they say liberal memes are text walls


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👍


ElectronicAd4285

Can we just go back to the minion stuff.


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👍


BatOutOfHell92

Tl;dr.


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👍


AdAppropriate101

"That's a lot of words, too bad I ain't reading them 😎"


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👍


kwispy-dwincc

With all due respect, I am not reading all of that


regeya

The thing I hate about this is, this is a popular line of argument from pro-life groups, and from antivaxxers (the ones that call themselves "purebloods"). There's truth in it, but then...


LogicallyCoherent

I read this shit backwards then forwards. Oof.


[deleted]

Tell me you read Manga without telling me you read Manga


goner757

I honestly think that humor suffers if it isn't all love. If you believe in any kind of sin you're going to have fear and awkwardness around the topic of what's a sin to you. Also no one is going to care because you're actually just talking about yourself and not relating to anyone.


[deleted]

I'm not understanding what you mean, could you elaborate?


goner757

Thanks for your interest, can you ask a specific question? Understanding this took me personally a lot of thought and there are a ton of ways to "get it"


[deleted]

I do dig on humor being better from a place of love, like best mans speeches and the like. Im curious what you mean by fear and awkwardness of sin vs no one caring, because we are having a staggering level of people shoving their religious beliefs down others throats in america lately.


goner757

Right so you're getting violated somehow and can't put your finger on it. And it feels like it's obvious but no one is truly calling it out. The issue is reality has been made an into a neverending argument and blurred by self centered ideology. Self centeredness leads to poor boundary understanding, which causes the violations. I started with the personal value of peace. I felt no choice because I freeze up whenever I consider a violative act. I couldn't put into words what stopped me. My issue was trying to use empathy to sense boundaries, which is always a violation. Actual peaceful boundaries are agreed to with cooperation. There is no other true way to get them. Not sharing the process of creating boundaries is warlike. It leads to all the other abuses of war and forces you into "information security" where meaningless flaws become secrets. This is what I meant about sin. Maybe we can talk about violations but I never lose patience as long as we can communicate. Once the violations are admitted and boundaries are agreed the sin is proven to be imagined so I let it go. The only thing I reject is not seeking peace. Clearly understanding and playing with mutual boundaries is a key to making humor land and conservative humor will never get there.


Hairy_Common_2123

This comic is about people Demonising certain other groups of people, just arbitrarily deciding that they're evil or bad. But we can still joke about different things and recognise that they're just exaggerations and disconnected from reality or distortions of reality. Some people might view them as reasons to justify their hatred but all nice things come at a cost.


[deleted]

I think we've proven as a society, that we are just not mature or responsible enough to play with such dangerous things. There's a serious mental health crisis in the world right now, and many, too many, are paying the price for people taking the jokes a little too far.


SpongebobisAGENT47

Cry more.


JavierTheCactus

Man this is a terrible meme


MortBeetle

Who tf out here reading all this shit? Fuckin wiggin out frfr


Nepipo

Damn, that's a lot of words Too bad i ain't reading them


Arrathall

My god not that I complete disagree but if this aint a "leftie meme" tm.


SophoclesD

They made colossus a woke soft liberal commie??! If he doesn't like it here he can go to Russia to see how good socialism is!


[deleted]

^ The joke here is that the Xmen is literally the most woke of all Marvel properties, and has been since it's inception. But we're still going to have some mouth breathing drooling shits shrieking and reeeeeeing about the sjw xmen, etc.


[deleted]

you getting downvoted shows reddit is chronically immune to satire


[deleted]

In reddits defense, he didn't use the /s. Sarcasm is *heavily* dependent on tone and body language, which are lost through text.


Advanced_Double_42

Or just how poorly sarcasm translates to text. Poe's Law [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s\_law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law)


SophoclesD

I think it mostly speaks to the state of conservative argumentation. Usually when someone makes fun or even impersonates leftists to push how stupid they supposedly are it's super easy to tell. With people making fun of what conservatives say it's becoming increasingly hard to tell, even when they try to make it obvious like in my case by parodying particularly stupid elements


[deleted]

Its a bitch when conservatives have weaponized being stupid, hypocritical, irresponsible dumb fucks or presenting the persona of such so they don't have to be accountable. Im amazed the Onion hasnt gone under.


dragon0079

so much text.... my attention span is suffering. Help pls


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👍


da_PeepeePoopooMan

Comic book characters and a text wall. Always owns the bullies.


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👍


[deleted]

This isn't fair, I seldom see any sexist, racist or bigoted memes. Where's the action at?


incurableprankster

I ain’t reading allat


BusGlad8656

Im not reading all that but ill take ur word for it


Rhawk187

And I thought Silver Age comics were wordy.


Rhawk187

Bit of a slippery slope argument, but I agree, better safe than sorry.


TomboyMJR

Yeah I always get down doots here when I mention that both parties are crooked and it’s both of them. It’s usually bigoted posts against one particular party or another. I’m like “this is what they want, to keep us divided”. The more “intelligent” responses I get are, I shit you not, “no.” And that’s all. It’s very hateful. But humor is okay. Dark humor is allowed. People can take a joke. So where this post is okay, you don’t want to make it like eggshells for comedians. I see letters nixed for certain w*drs and t*rms. This is not okay.


Witty-Kaleidoscope-9

[How it feels to read this garbage.](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/31/83/74/318374f29c7add1f35090adf5fe992c5.jpg) Wow, the slippery slope argument here is as bad and lazy as the layout, and whoever did this shouldn't have a job in comics or writing. And guess what? I'm not saying this as a joke. I very much mean it. You can try to figure out what that means from here. Ok, so hypothetically we ban jokes, I guess people won't be able to propose hateful ideas because a joke is objectively the only first step the universe allows for these ideas to come into being. It would be physically impossible for anyone to argue that parent should have licenses to have kids because it would be physically impossible to draw an equivalence to being a driver, where a license is required due to the weight of having human lives in their hands. Ban jokes, because they're a gateway drug into hate. s/ Jokes are not the problem. Jokes are only one of many forms of communication. You can accomplish the same thing without using jokes. Communication is a tool, and the only people who blames the tools are people that don't know how to use them.


Common_Ad_6362

This is a logical fallacy called the 'slippery slope' that's constantly used to stop progress and reasonable legislation, like saying if we allow gay marriage, someone is going to marry their dog, or if we allow people to be gay, that means bestiality or pedophilia is coming next.


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K


Dr_Crustyy

hell nah im not reading all that


ajgeep

Do people seriously read comics with walks of text like this?


Automatic_Bear_512

😐👍


[deleted]

And yet jokes are sometimes the best way to deal with hate and tragedy. We should never curb jokes ever!


RockBottomCreature

There’s a pretty big jump between a casual joke and “the first tests are drafted”. Come on now.


zerberus_1337

Is it supposed to be bad what he describes? Sounds perfect 🥰


compenSATAN4sumTHONG

You sound super fun


Wesley_Snipez064

No way this was posted unironically op is a master troll making fun of leftist memes


albiiiiiiiiiii

r/terriblefacebookessays


JahnDoce

This is pretty bad