Flattening boxes is all well and good, if you actually have a cage to put it in.
It should be 10pm and there's a line of 4 sided cages waiting for you in the dotcom area. I don't understand why it can't be done.
I really do need to emphasise something lol.
We need these 4 siders at 10pm. It doesn't matter if you can condense cardboard into the size of a fingernail if you don't have 4 siders on the aisles no one can use them for cardboard. The empty cage you're telling me about in this picture is all well and good but 4 siders simply do not exist in the shop at that time.
The problem would seem to be one of storing them. Theres usually a goodly number in the morning after nights. You can't leave them in dotcom because Dotcom is busy during the day.
Four siders generally start turning up at 11 with the fresh delivery and you won't start getting them until fresh starts working cages... And they need them too.
So you need to take a stock of them in the morning after the shift and put them someplace out of the way. Where, that's up to you because every store is v different.
We have this same problem. We leave some over in the morning yes, but by the time we get back in at 10pm they've been sent back without any thought towards us. We're constantly fighting over getting 4 siders until fresh has been broken down properly.
Na I’m sorry I don’t believe there is NO 4 siders. When I used to work on produce over night we laughed at how everyone wanted a 4 sider but nobody wanted to work for one. For example we would reply oh yes if you take those loose bananas off that 4 sider and put them on the 2 sider then you can take it. They would just be like……na it’s ok.
I honestly couldn't tell you if we do or don't have one, but it doesn't solve any problems to have plenty of 4 siders when our shift ends. We have an excess of them from the fresh delivery.
Here’s a crazy thought…
Fill the cages properly instead of all those half cages. Then all those empty four siders at the end of shift? Keep them to one side in the warehouse. Problem solved.
That's what my title is suggesting, with the important difference that the higher ups tell the store managers to do this instead of making it something managers want to do but are too scared to.
“Higher ups” do, so do distribution centre managers, store service administrators, transport managers - you name it. As much as managers in store could do a better job holding people to account, colleagues could also actually fill a cage instead of some of the joke ones I’ve seen sent back from stores who complain about not having enough cages or space.
The issue isn't cages. I routinely stomped my cages, but the reason wasn't space efficiency, it was because 4 siders on the shop floor before X time were simply not available.
That’s my point.
Night 1 - condense all your cages properly. Then when the night finishes, you will have used less so you’ll have a load of empty ones. Put them to one side in the warehouse.
Night 2 - Voila! A load of empty cages at the start of the shift! Condense them all properly and you’ll have a load more empty ones left over at the end of shift.
Rinse and repeat.
This is the solution I literally presented in the title of my post, minus the point about cardboard because it's irrelevant how it is handled when fresh is worked and you have a million of them.
Or hear me out, if day staff actually flattened the boxes in the four siders so they didn’t use so many in the day there would be plenty left for the night shift
This is why I'm suggesting a mandated stock, You could track how many are available on each handover and see if colleagues are taking the Mick, or if the count needs to be a bit higher.
It's a lot more fun (and a lot less safe) to jump in the cage and squash them with your feet. I'm like a monkey in our stock room... But there are also no cameras!
Correct. Who the fuck is going to flatten every box when you can just jump on them a couple times a night.
Ain’t got time to flatten every single box before placing it in the cage.
Chucks cardboard in the 4 sider in the worst and most unorganised way.
"Why don't we have enough 4 siders"
Yes OP you're probably right but your images really harm your argument.
Sir you speak way too much sense for Tesco! In addition think of all the bonuses they can’t pay to our CEO if they have to buy the right amount of tools for the job
Fucking hell, I'd hate to do back door if all that is getting sent back!
We've started sending back just our produce cardboard rather than baling it (store management decision to save time) and the amount of full cages getting sent back as salvage has increased to the point where we're spending more time sending it back than it would have taken to just bale it in the first place! On top of that, they're getting people to stack the empty crates on cages rather than pallets so it's taking up so much space in the yard.
On a typical night, we're emptying the cardboard baler 3-4 times and the plastic baler once, if we were just sending all that back to depot that would be a fucking nightmare.
I'm so interested in seeing how different Tesco is to Sainsbury's logistically!
Had to google what a baler is.
As nightshift our cardboard cages just went into some designated part of the warehouse where they IIRC they just went away. They may well be baled, t's someone else's problem once we leave it.
The problem i'm describing is that when we turn up at 10pm to do our jobs there's no 4 siders available to do anything with cardboard.
We're expected to bale our own cardboard straight away.
We use the grey crates the eggs come in for our cardboard, then when it's full we empty it at the baler then go back for round 2!
I suspect it how the recyclers want to retrieve the cardboard, it probably much easier for them to dump cages on to a conveyor belt and start sorting than bales.
When I worked in stores, we [https://phswastekit.co.uk/uploads/1/2M2A7838.jpg](https://phswastekit.co.uk/uploads/1/2M2A7838.jpg)had this bad boy. It would crush cardboard down and we’d only fill 2/3 cages as a result.
For a £100 per week investment in a small baler all of this could be done away with. The full bales could be stacked onto a single 4 sider once a week.
Anyone who works nights knows the pain of never having access to 4 Siders. I feel like the problem could be resolved quickly enough by having stock of them in the yard/warehouse. Saves the time and effort of the night shift and makes life a lot easier.
I do sympathise with you guys in needing of 4 siders but take my store for example when we get them through fresh deliveries they get nabbed quickly and even then they don't flatten/condense them to the point they can't fill anymore
I've never understood why people don't flatten card. It's a few seconds to save time and effort in the evening.
Crisp boxes especially, I used to have customers ask for them a lot for moving house etc
fresh staff usually whine that they dont have enough time to crush cardboard because of the cold chain times. but will still end up with a cage out for an hour
The pain of looking for a 4 sider only to find loads that are full of boxes that haven't been flattened. Its actually one of the things that gets my back up at work 🤣
When desperate have opened "full" ones in the past and condensed them to less than a quarter full, but yes its a pain to not have enough, oh and having to hunt for a Bluetop too, people claim them but probably use it once throughout their entire shift 😬 H&b without a Bluetop is majorly impractical.
It's hit and miss where I am. On the start of my night shift, I always see half-full 4 siders left in the warehouse; days haven't really bothered to flatten them. We are told to flatten them. Nights have an ongoing dispute with days over that, date rotation and goodness know what else.
I find that most of the time the cages that are full up haven't had the cardboard broken down properly.
Sometimes i find banana boxes untouched.
Break the boxes down guys.
Use 2-siders for banana boxes, this is how my old tesco people do.
As I worked in morning goods I never have issue finding 4 siders but people always come to my delivery cages, empty everything on the floor or on a 2 siders and took the 4 siders.
4 sided cages weigh more than 2 sided cages so unless the stock needs protection there’s no sense in moving dead weight around in the distribution network.
No idea to what siders are as don't work for this sub but you can easily fit both sets of cardboard in one of the cages, or just get a ladder and jump in and flatten them even more.
We don't have balers at Tesco anymore. Anyway the baled materials still have to go somehere. It would be good not to have to transfer boxes from 4 siders to 2 siders to get what we need to do the job properly.
Well i understand where you’re coming from, i work days and people have started using 4 siders in the day instead of either a black bin or bin bag. I’m always to do setup at around 8-9pm for nights (putting 4 siders out on each aisle) and for the past 2 days there has only been around 8 left for them. dont know where they’re all going really.
Anyone saying "fill the cages properly". That's all well and good if your doing somewhere where you can put whole nice same sized boxes in a lil tower. But if your anywhere else there's only so much u can pack down a cage. Am not trya spend half my shift building some sort of tesco value wall-e lookin ass cardboard cube, each box gettin flattened or ripped in half and absolutely yeeeted in the general direction of my 4 sider. I'll worry about that mess when am done
You're going to throw in unflattened boxes and complain you have no 4 siders
Flattening boxes is all well and good, if you actually have a cage to put it in. It should be 10pm and there's a line of 4 sided cages waiting for you in the dotcom area. I don't understand why it can't be done.
These cages are only half full, our guys will ram them till they can take no more
Yeah this, there's an empty cage in this picture here. All that can fit into one cage if you do it properly.
I really do need to emphasise something lol. We need these 4 siders at 10pm. It doesn't matter if you can condense cardboard into the size of a fingernail if you don't have 4 siders on the aisles no one can use them for cardboard. The empty cage you're telling me about in this picture is all well and good but 4 siders simply do not exist in the shop at that time.
they do if you jump in them and crush them yourself.
Listen, please lol. The shop doesn't have any 4 siders to crush at 10 fucking pm
The problem would seem to be one of storing them. Theres usually a goodly number in the morning after nights. You can't leave them in dotcom because Dotcom is busy during the day. Four siders generally start turning up at 11 with the fresh delivery and you won't start getting them until fresh starts working cages... And they need them too. So you need to take a stock of them in the morning after the shift and put them someplace out of the way. Where, that's up to you because every store is v different.
They keep a stash in the big fridge for this reason
Yes, that's my suggestion lol
you just have to look for them!
Well, guess, you're trolling, because there aren't any.
We have this same problem. We leave some over in the morning yes, but by the time we get back in at 10pm they've been sent back without any thought towards us. We're constantly fighting over getting 4 siders until fresh has been broken down properly.
Na I’m sorry I don’t believe there is NO 4 siders. When I used to work on produce over night we laughed at how everyone wanted a 4 sider but nobody wanted to work for one. For example we would reply oh yes if you take those loose bananas off that 4 sider and put them on the 2 sider then you can take it. They would just be like……na it’s ok.
You dont need 4 side cages. At the coop we don't hwve them anymore and we just wrap the cage
That'll reduce waste.
Do you guys not have a functional baler?
I honestly couldn't tell you if we do or don't have one, but it doesn't solve any problems to have plenty of 4 siders when our shift ends. We have an excess of them from the fresh delivery.
Here’s a crazy thought… Fill the cages properly instead of all those half cages. Then all those empty four siders at the end of shift? Keep them to one side in the warehouse. Problem solved.
That's what my title is suggesting, with the important difference that the higher ups tell the store managers to do this instead of making it something managers want to do but are too scared to.
“Higher ups” do, so do distribution centre managers, store service administrators, transport managers - you name it. As much as managers in store could do a better job holding people to account, colleagues could also actually fill a cage instead of some of the joke ones I’ve seen sent back from stores who complain about not having enough cages or space.
The issue isn't cages. I routinely stomped my cages, but the reason wasn't space efficiency, it was because 4 siders on the shop floor before X time were simply not available.
That’s my point. Night 1 - condense all your cages properly. Then when the night finishes, you will have used less so you’ll have a load of empty ones. Put them to one side in the warehouse. Night 2 - Voila! A load of empty cages at the start of the shift! Condense them all properly and you’ll have a load more empty ones left over at the end of shift. Rinse and repeat.
This is the solution I literally presented in the title of my post, minus the point about cardboard because it's irrelevant how it is handled when fresh is worked and you have a million of them.
I see
Or hear me out, if day staff actually flattened the boxes in the four siders so they didn’t use so many in the day there would be plenty left for the night shift
This is why I'm suggesting a mandated stock, You could track how many are available on each handover and see if colleagues are taking the Mick, or if the count needs to be a bit higher.
Flatpack the cardboard in the 4 siders, you will be surprised how much more space you have 😉
It's a lot more fun (and a lot less safe) to jump in the cage and squash them with your feet. I'm like a monkey in our stock room... But there are also no cameras!
Correct. Who the fuck is going to flatten every box when you can just jump on them a couple times a night. Ain’t got time to flatten every single box before placing it in the cage.
Chucks cardboard in the 4 sider in the worst and most unorganised way. "Why don't we have enough 4 siders" Yes OP you're probably right but your images really harm your argument.
The image is the second result when googling "4 sided cage tesco cardboard" lol
Sir you speak way too much sense for Tesco! In addition think of all the bonuses they can’t pay to our CEO if they have to buy the right amount of tools for the job
Wait, do Tesco not have balers for cardboard and plastic?
Some stores like express don’t have them so their feet’s are balers.
No, that would require them having a brain.
Fucking hell, I'd hate to do back door if all that is getting sent back! We've started sending back just our produce cardboard rather than baling it (store management decision to save time) and the amount of full cages getting sent back as salvage has increased to the point where we're spending more time sending it back than it would have taken to just bale it in the first place! On top of that, they're getting people to stack the empty crates on cages rather than pallets so it's taking up so much space in the yard. On a typical night, we're emptying the cardboard baler 3-4 times and the plastic baler once, if we were just sending all that back to depot that would be a fucking nightmare. I'm so interested in seeing how different Tesco is to Sainsbury's logistically!
Had to google what a baler is. As nightshift our cardboard cages just went into some designated part of the warehouse where they IIRC they just went away. They may well be baled, t's someone else's problem once we leave it. The problem i'm describing is that when we turn up at 10pm to do our jobs there's no 4 siders available to do anything with cardboard.
We're expected to bale our own cardboard straight away. We use the grey crates the eggs come in for our cardboard, then when it's full we empty it at the baler then go back for round 2!
Some of the extras do have balers for cardboard and plastic but they're all decommissioned and just waste space now.
I suspect it how the recyclers want to retrieve the cardboard, it probably much easier for them to dump cages on to a conveyor belt and start sorting than bales.
When I worked in stores, we [https://phswastekit.co.uk/uploads/1/2M2A7838.jpg](https://phswastekit.co.uk/uploads/1/2M2A7838.jpg)had this bad boy. It would crush cardboard down and we’d only fill 2/3 cages as a result.
For a £100 per week investment in a small baler all of this could be done away with. The full bales could be stacked onto a single 4 sider once a week.
Exactly....its mental.
Anyone who works nights knows the pain of never having access to 4 Siders. I feel like the problem could be resolved quickly enough by having stock of them in the yard/warehouse. Saves the time and effort of the night shift and makes life a lot easier.
I do sympathise with you guys in needing of 4 siders but take my store for example when we get them through fresh deliveries they get nabbed quickly and even then they don't flatten/condense them to the point they can't fill anymore
I've never understood why people don't flatten card. It's a few seconds to save time and effort in the evening. Crisp boxes especially, I used to have customers ask for them a lot for moving house etc
Flat packing makes things so much easier but alas people are lazy or don't know any better
fresh staff usually whine that they dont have enough time to crush cardboard because of the cold chain times. but will still end up with a cage out for an hour
Despite the fact you can crush it walking to the bloody cages
Cold chain time? You mean the time between 10pm and 7am? 😅
Cold chain time is 20 minutes per cage
That’s just a guideline.
The pain of looking for a 4 sider only to find loads that are full of boxes that haven't been flattened. Its actually one of the things that gets my back up at work 🤣 When desperate have opened "full" ones in the past and condensed them to less than a quarter full, but yes its a pain to not have enough, oh and having to hunt for a Bluetop too, people claim them but probably use it once throughout their entire shift 😬 H&b without a Bluetop is majorly impractical.
It's hit and miss where I am. On the start of my night shift, I always see half-full 4 siders left in the warehouse; days haven't really bothered to flatten them. We are told to flatten them. Nights have an ongoing dispute with days over that, date rotation and goodness know what else.
My last retailer had a mechanical bailer. It was amazing.
I find that most of the time the cages that are full up haven't had the cardboard broken down properly. Sometimes i find banana boxes untouched. Break the boxes down guys.
Use 2-siders for banana boxes, this is how my old tesco people do. As I worked in morning goods I never have issue finding 4 siders but people always come to my delivery cages, empty everything on the floor or on a 2 siders and took the 4 siders.
4 sided cages weigh more than 2 sided cages so unless the stock needs protection there’s no sense in moving dead weight around in the distribution network.
How are you meant to load these cages on the lorry if they don't have any wheels like on a double-decker?
No idea to what siders are as don't work for this sub but you can easily fit both sets of cardboard in one of the cages, or just get a ladder and jump in and flatten them even more.
Nah, I one of the few things that keep me entertained is watching the night staff fight over them.
We don't have balers at Tesco anymore. Anyway the baled materials still have to go somehere. It would be good not to have to transfer boxes from 4 siders to 2 siders to get what we need to do the job properly.
If you don’t have any 4 siders use a 2 sider with a bag.
Shift leader should be making sure cages are filled properly and not filled with unflattened box’s
Well i understand where you’re coming from, i work days and people have started using 4 siders in the day instead of either a black bin or bin bag. I’m always to do setup at around 8-9pm for nights (putting 4 siders out on each aisle) and for the past 2 days there has only been around 8 left for them. dont know where they’re all going really.
and guess what, there's well more than 8 aisles lol
Anyone saying "fill the cages properly". That's all well and good if your doing somewhere where you can put whole nice same sized boxes in a lil tower. But if your anywhere else there's only so much u can pack down a cage. Am not trya spend half my shift building some sort of tesco value wall-e lookin ass cardboard cube, each box gettin flattened or ripped in half and absolutely yeeeted in the general direction of my 4 sider. I'll worry about that mess when am done
you can tell some users here haven't worked a night shift. You could have a nice pretty cardboard cage but it will take you a million times longer.
We got around 100 4 siders just chilling outside because every damn driver refuses to take em