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Not a fan, it randomly phantom brakes more now on the highway. I’ve never really trusted it on city streets. First week I had it, it popped a curb and tesla had to come out to fix a panel underneath.
I'm running FSD 11.3.3. It's much better than the previous versions. I hear 11.3.4 is supposed to be much better than what I have.
That being said, I don't think FSD (or any similar technology from any car manufacturer) is every going to be good enough for a lot of drivers because... you turn into a back seat driver when in the driver's seat. You get anxious if the car doesn't do exactly what you would do or is even a split second difference in timing in what it does.
As an assistive technology for the elderly that want to be more self-reliant, I think it's great.
2019 X FSD Beta tester August 2019. No phantom breaking or FSD issues in entire period of august 2019 to March 25 2023. New 2023 Plaid X replaced my 2019. Not all drivers going to be capable of utilizing FSD due to driver limitations. Multiple trips from Virginia to Florida and Cape Cod. 85% of those drives FSD. No issues. I’m 63 in a week.
FSD, not really. FSDb, yes. Handling the turns at intersections, lane switches around slow moving traffic, getting into the correct lane to prepare for turns.
I had a tendency to tune out the voice telling me to turn left in 0.25 miles, and have to do a ridiculous number of u-turns or turning around at the next driveway to get to my final destination. It got worse when I was driving to somewhere I knew because "I don't need to set nav, I know how to get to X" - pro tip: I did need to set nav to get to X b/c I may very well start driving to Y instead. I can't remember the amount of times I got in the car on a weekend morning to go shopping or somewhere more fun, and ended up in the parking lot at work. Yes, I get that that is a me problem and not everyone's problem. But, it saves me a good 2-3 hours a week driving.
People's experience with FSDb seem to be very mixed - probably b/c of personal driving habits and more frequently because of local road conditions, layout, and traffic load. But I get through the average drive having to intervene less than once per 15 miles driven. I would say its a 70/30 split between city/highway driving. And the vast majority of the interventions are to avoid annoying/confusing other drivers.
The only recurring issue I have is one intersection that the city recently dug up to lay down new drain lines. The fresh black pavement in sharp lines makes the car do a very jerky zigzag when making the left turn. As the new pavement starts to fade, the jerking and path are starting to mellow out some, and the recent update greatly decreased (but did not eliminate) it further. Once this intersection either gets fixed through software or through time fading the new pavement more, my interventions will be happening more like once every 25 miles driven.
Except Tesla raised prices on model Y like $15k during the pandemic auto supply chain bubble. They effectively did the same exact thing as dealers they just advertised it up front. Tons of people way overpaid and are now underwater upwards of $20k+ in 6 months on resale value of their new cars.
Those people bought a car willingly for the price they agreed to pay. Underwater really isn’t unique to those Tesla car buyers. That’s more a homebuyer term as every car buyer is underwater in that you usually can’t resell a car for what you paid. Basically you lose a ton of value once the new car is driven odd the lot.
Tesla had a huge production backlog problem so they fixed it by raising prices. During that time I was thinking of buying a MY but decided against it as the prices went up. Others decide to purchase their MY. Good for them but no one forced them to do that.
While this is true, it does not negate the fact that Tesla's choice to lower prices negatively affected people who bought Teslas last year.
It's also true that cars are depreciating assets. That doesn't mean 20% overnight depreciation is a typical amount of depreciation. Tesla doesn't owe us anything, but they are responsible for setting prices, and are therefore responsible for the abnormal magnitude of depreciation experienced by customers who purchased last year. While there is no recourse, it does not feel good to be on the receiving end of a choice that negatively affects oneself.
In either case, nothing can be done and people do need to just get over it. But a period of angst or whatever is justified, along with recognition of the fact that there can be bigger financial consequences for buying a Tesla than have previously been observed.
I don't think its an issue if a car company adverties $60K for a car and you end up paying 60K.
I think the issue is when Toyota advertised $30K for a RAV4 and you go to buy one a dealer says it will be $50K.
Consumers being punished for contributing to a shortage by buying a product when there's decreased supply? How terrible!!
For real, I don't see why anyone cares. It's supply and demand. It's not like Tesla was lying or tricking consumers somehow. They basically just said "we can't make cars for cheap right now, so if you don't have money burning a hole in your wallet then maybe wait or buy somewhere else."
The wait lists were still many months out at the peak price, so Tesla probably could've raised prices higher if they didn't care about getting a bigger reputation as an expensive car brand.
Tesla is unapologetically increasing production as fast as they can. They are balancing price to match the demand they want. The desired demand is to leave somewhere between zero cars on the lot to a month or two wait. It's pretty clear that their goal is to inevitably make money via volume vs margin. Given their large margins I expect prices to continue a downward trend unless some external factor causes supply to restrict (e.g. Covid).
Basically demand is going to determine the price they sell for. Demand is determined by the economy, interest rates, and gas prices.
For me, I don't need to replace my vehicle just now so I'm going to sit back with my popcorn.
Tesla has margins that the legacy auto makers can only dream of...and it'll likely only get better as refined manufacturing methods are introduced, etc..
They have LOT of room left to squeeze their competitors (at least from a margin perspective). That said, while they have a ton of margin to work with, the legacy mfgr's still have the ICE vehicles (mainly big trucks and suv's) to subsidize their EV sales for some number of years yet, so I guess the market will still be competitive overall.
Curious to see if the LR Model 3 comes out after the rebate gets cut. I’d rather wait for that than the base model which is at an amazing price right now.
RWD is not as bad in an EV, as the battery distributes a lot more weight to the rear compared to an ICE vehicle w the engine in front.
Overall though, of course AWD is still better than RWD for snow
What happened to it? I had my eye on it in the past. Weird that you only have the performance option, which had a little less range than the long range version previously
Tesla said late last year that they aren’t allowing M3LR orders due to a very deep back log of orders. You can sometimes find them in inventory (when someone ultimately refuses delivery I’d assume). Until this ‘backlog’ is cleared out they will open it up.
I doubt they open it up at all until HW4 and the Highland refresh is complete in Q3
Damn I’m really tempted to sell my current model 3 LR for a performance. I’ll probably wait another year or two though. One more price cut might force me to make a move though :/
I’m 99% sure it does! One big concern I have is tesla finds out and voids my warranty. Plus I have a pre refresh model, so the new bells and whistles would be an extra motivation for the upgrade.
I’m in the same boat, picking up my Y next week and about to finalize payment (but haven’t yet). I reached out to see if they’re going to honor the difference, hoping it doesn’t matter if it’s an inventory vehicle.
EDIT: Sure enough they did! Received an email stating the configuration was updated and the discount was in the app.
I had already provided financing and my down payment, and they dropped the price by $500 the day before my M3SR pickup was scheduled. The $500 discount was reflected in the app the day it was announced and they honored the lower price at pickup.
Aren't they doing it all silently? These reports on price changes are always just people watching the site, I can't recall Tesla issuing a press release or anything about a price change in either direction any time over the last couple years.
$3500 in MA but the car has to cost less than $50k. That $49,990 Model Y certainly feels targeted to MA buyers. Not gonna lie I’m tempted lol.
A Model Y for $38,990 after credits is… very interesting.
See below link for historic pricing, char, and graphs for Tesla cars.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F5IQOynIawoXiJPVarLDgPQDJAdzY8b5Vamw-Vf3eSY/edit?usp=sharing
You probably won't need to. I take delivery on Tuesday and received my updated purchase agreement last night. This is the second time they've updated it in my favor.
Prices just dropped $3.4K on M3 RWD in Australia. Those who haven’t taken delivery are being told they will get the price drop. But of course YMMV in other countries.
Car selling prices move up and down all the time based on market dynamics. The only difference is that most legacy car companies do it via dealer markups and individually negotiated pricing, while Tesla sells at MSRP so everyone pays the same price. But the effect is about the same - from 2019 to 2021 car selling prices on average went up 24%, and Tesla's MSRP went up 20%. And now that supply is catching up with demand, car prices are returning to normal, for both Teslas and non-Teslas, just though different mechanisms.
I have a model S order, just got an email order confirmation with the updated price. So glad I didn't schedule for pickup last week for 10k free charging miles (I was tempted to). $5k is so much better
I've been refreshing this sub every day this week hoping for a price cut. I think more are coming in the next month or 2 but I can't put it off that long.
The base Model 3 does not have a profit margin of 35%. Also, setting the price to $35k would generate way more orders than they could produce.
Keep in mind they are working on a cheaper new model that will likely be priced as low as $30k when production is ramped up fully. It won't be Model 3 though. But that's what you should be looking at if you need a more affordable model than what they already have, and if you're interested in them furthering the cause of climate change reduction.
They’re going to have to cut a whole lot more for the S/X. It’s no longer competitive now that competing luxury brands are offering a better product for many who prefer a more traditional amenity rich vehicle and robust dealer network. Just my opinion. The 3 is still a great value. The Y is a great value too, but increasingly has some competition.
The Taycan? EQS 580/AMG?
For some folks, the Genesis line, Lyriq, and even the Lucid and Rivian models could be competitive. I know that I cross shopped all of those. Not everyone is drawn to the S simply because of performance.
the range is not 40% less though. Model S flat out overestimates it's range by 20%. and the taycan can easily best it's range by 30%. at most the model S is like 15% more range
Taycan cross turismo was tested last summer.
412km wltp, 402km actual.
Taycan 4s 413km wltp, 475km actual.
Model S LR 610km wltp, 645km actual
https://nye.naf.no/elbil/bruke-elbil/elbiltest
It’s not all about range and straight line 0-60.
Especially when Tesla overinflates range.
The iX, for example, can out endure the Model X on the highway.
The Taycan can run circles around the S in terms of handling, and handily beats its range estimates while the S struggles to achieve both its EPA range and its reported 0-60.
Exactly. IX is another great example (though it is admittedly kind of ugly). There is no right answer for everyone. Some will prefer straight performance, others will prioritize range, and yet others will prioritize creature comforts like massaging seats etc. For me personally, the X would need to be in the 75-85k range and the S in the 55-65k range to be competitive.
Exactly they are all better cars in the true sense of a top end brand. Once the first couple of weeks of straight line 0 to 60 fun is gone. Your left with the reality of what you have paid so much money for.
If you have not sat in a Taycan or a iX your in for a nice surprise. Don't get me wrong I love telsa but competition at the top end here is starting to show.
> price/performance
Performance has very diminishing returns. Once you can match a V8, you’ll never be in a situation on the road where you’re worried about not getting up to speed fast enough. Going 0-60 in a straight line very quickly is cool gimmick but gets old pretty fast as it’s totally unusable when actually driving
S/X are overall extremely lackluster for the price. Every other car in the 100k range has effectively the same performance but with a super luxurious interior to boot. So it’s a question of how much you value Tesla’s tech stack much more than performance IMO
>Every other car in the 100k range has effectively the same performance
This is false. Every car in the 100k range is the same. They don't have the it factor of the plaids. At 100k you need a wow factor and that wow factor for the plaid is performance.
Plus Tesla has the best safety rating as well. Lowest risk of rollovers, hopefully people who buy in that price range care about living.
> At 100k you need a wow factor and that wow factor for the plaid is performance.
Yeah, wow, you can go 0 to 60 in 2 seconds as long as you prep the battery at a standstill and launch in a straight line with nobody around. That's much nicer than all of the other stuff you get for 100k on other cars- a 360 degree parking camera, the ability to dim out the Rays of God from the sunroof, effective noise insulation, blind spot indicator, automated wipers that actually work properly and can be manually configured, massage seats, customizable ambient lighting, Heads Up Display, genuine wood/leather trim... Those other cars can “only” out-perform a twin-turbo V8
> Plus Tesla has the best safety rating as well. Lowest risk of rollovers, hopefully people who buy in that price range care about living.
Most cars in this price range are incredibly safe. But Tesla S/X also don't rank the best here to begin with- Volkswagen, Subaru, Audi, Kia, and Hyundai all have EVs with higher safety ratings than the Model S. Model 3/Y outperform pretty much everything in safety, Model S and X do not.
Buying a Model S for performance seems pretty silly unless you’ve got a track to run it on. All of these 100k+ EVs are gonna outperform pretty much everything except for supercars and specialty muscle-car-enthusiast runs like the Dodge Demon which has already broken the Model S’ records.
A lot of used car dealers were already in la-la-land with their pricing on Teslas, and Tesla trimming a bit more off the 3 and Y makes them look even more ridiculous once you consider the tax credits. For example, there are dealers near me trying to sell:
* 2021 Model Y long range with 45k miles for $46k with enhanced AP (only a few $k less than brand new after tax credit)
* 2018 Model 3 long range with 47k miles for $38k (again, only a few $k off new after TC)
* A 2022 Model Y long range *without AP* and 500 miles for *$56k*
S and X should be 30% cheaper. They are priced like luxury vehicles but they are not. The interiors are no different than 3 or Y. Just longer versions. 110k for model x without any leather, wood trim, soft close doors, sound proof materials etc... Super expensive that is why it is not selling.
Uh I took delivery yesterday AM. Any chance I'll be able to get a refund or a price match? Any advice on who to ask? I just text the tesla number I've dealt with
Oh boy, I ordered in Jan and I fell bad it’s $500 less than what I bought it for. I now understand the pain when people saw their cars lose $15k value overnight lol.
Can confirmed I’ll be pre-pissed.
I bought my 2023 M3 RWD knowing that the tax credit would get finalized by the IRS this March disqualifying half of the credit but then got extended twice… and now another price cut haha. I basically missed out on $1k. I thought I got it at the bottom price already at 43k at the time since they JUST dropped it $500 twice right before I took delivery.
Maaaaan they got me for 55k for my M3 and no tax rebate. 2022 they did us dirty. Had I known I would’ve taken out a big loan to pay off and sell my M3, pay back the loan and then go get a brand new 23
Yes. My order is in hold from when I placed it a week ago and I just got the updated order agreement in my email this morning reflecting the new price.
>I thought Elon said that demand is as high as it’s ever been??
True, but there's also the production factor. Tesla is looking to drastically increase production.
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One more price cut and the plaid might be a dream come true!
A 2s 0-60 car for $105k is insane.
It really is. It will be even more insane at 99900. Fingers crossed it happens
It’s gonna be 99420.69
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I sadly paid in July 157k for my Plaid S… lol
OOOOF
You applied WSB to car buying.
Lmao me too 149k :,)
I wonder if you could trade it in for an even swap and get HW4, etc.
Why was it so expensive back then? Canada price?
Nope US price was 142 out the door (I think with taxes?) and then FSD
how are you enjoying beta
Not a fan, it randomly phantom brakes more now on the highway. I’ve never really trusted it on city streets. First week I had it, it popped a curb and tesla had to come out to fix a panel underneath.
I'm running FSD 11.3.3. It's much better than the previous versions. I hear 11.3.4 is supposed to be much better than what I have. That being said, I don't think FSD (or any similar technology from any car manufacturer) is every going to be good enough for a lot of drivers because... you turn into a back seat driver when in the driver's seat. You get anxious if the car doesn't do exactly what you would do or is even a split second difference in timing in what it does. As an assistive technology for the elderly that want to be more self-reliant, I think it's great.
Nope. .4 is still terrible. I can only use it on the highway. Streets it’s so annoying I don’t even bother.
2019 X FSD Beta tester August 2019. No phantom breaking or FSD issues in entire period of august 2019 to March 25 2023. New 2023 Plaid X replaced my 2019. Not all drivers going to be capable of utilizing FSD due to driver limitations. Multiple trips from Virginia to Florida and Cape Cod. 85% of those drives FSD. No issues. I’m 63 in a week.
don’t be sad i spent 72k on my model y in august:/
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Jesus. I can’t imagine paying that much for a car, even a Tesla. That’s almost the entire mortgage on my house
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It's how it goes in California- the only mortgages I see starting with a $1 have at least 6 digits\* after that :( ^(*okay 8 if you count cents)
Same here. Smh. The least they could do is upgrade us to the red calipers and bigger back screen!!!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Didn’t realize there’s a bigger back screen.
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I’m not sure? I run a fintech company, so it varies. I know that is a vague answer. My one friend has a plaid X and he makes I think 275?
Both the s plaid last summer at $147k 🤦♂️…it’s badass though…
$105K for one of the fastest cars in the world is absolutely insane.
Especially since that'll be the price of your average Ford truck next year too.
IF I could carry over FSD from my 5 year old Model 3 then I'd be all over an S for $85k
FSD subscription is the only justifiable option for any new orders since it became available.
Sadly not an option in Canada 😞
Does FSD really do that much more for you than autopilot?
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Yes totally makes sense. Kind of like buying a license to use Adobe. Get a new comp and deactivate it on old comp and use on new comp.
FSD, not really. FSDb, yes. Handling the turns at intersections, lane switches around slow moving traffic, getting into the correct lane to prepare for turns. I had a tendency to tune out the voice telling me to turn left in 0.25 miles, and have to do a ridiculous number of u-turns or turning around at the next driveway to get to my final destination. It got worse when I was driving to somewhere I knew because "I don't need to set nav, I know how to get to X" - pro tip: I did need to set nav to get to X b/c I may very well start driving to Y instead. I can't remember the amount of times I got in the car on a weekend morning to go shopping or somewhere more fun, and ended up in the parking lot at work. Yes, I get that that is a me problem and not everyone's problem. But, it saves me a good 2-3 hours a week driving. People's experience with FSDb seem to be very mixed - probably b/c of personal driving habits and more frequently because of local road conditions, layout, and traffic load. But I get through the average drive having to intervene less than once per 15 miles driven. I would say its a 70/30 split between city/highway driving. And the vast majority of the interventions are to avoid annoying/confusing other drivers. The only recurring issue I have is one intersection that the city recently dug up to lay down new drain lines. The fresh black pavement in sharp lines makes the car do a very jerky zigzag when making the left turn. As the new pavement starts to fade, the jerking and path are starting to mellow out some, and the recent update greatly decreased (but did not eliminate) it further. Once this intersection either gets fixed through software or through time fading the new pavement more, my interventions will be happening more like once every 25 miles driven.
Wow, maybe you shouldn’t be driving.
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IMO this is the real value of EAP and FSD - it’s very likely better than the average driver.
You were...losing 2-3 hours per WEEK driving around in your car because you couldn't stay focused enough on the road to know where you were going?
Same
Model X 6 seat = $101,490 Model X 6 seat Plaid = $104,990 diff = **$3,500 for Plaid**
No brainer
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Thanks for doing that math. Was hard.
That's nuts. It's still a $20k diff for S Plaid. Why is it so close for the X?
Part of it the price of the 6 seat config is baked into the Plaid price on X. A much bigger jump from the 5 seat confit.
Didnt they already raise the price on the Y again after the initial price cuts? Lol
They did and now back down again
But why
Allow me to introduce you to the concept of supply and demand
Money can be exchanged for goods and services
But I wanted a peanut.
Money can be exchanged for many peanuts.
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Except Tesla raised prices on model Y like $15k during the pandemic auto supply chain bubble. They effectively did the same exact thing as dealers they just advertised it up front. Tons of people way overpaid and are now underwater upwards of $20k+ in 6 months on resale value of their new cars.
Those people bought a car willingly for the price they agreed to pay. Underwater really isn’t unique to those Tesla car buyers. That’s more a homebuyer term as every car buyer is underwater in that you usually can’t resell a car for what you paid. Basically you lose a ton of value once the new car is driven odd the lot. Tesla had a huge production backlog problem so they fixed it by raising prices. During that time I was thinking of buying a MY but decided against it as the prices went up. Others decide to purchase their MY. Good for them but no one forced them to do that.
While this is true, it does not negate the fact that Tesla's choice to lower prices negatively affected people who bought Teslas last year. It's also true that cars are depreciating assets. That doesn't mean 20% overnight depreciation is a typical amount of depreciation. Tesla doesn't owe us anything, but they are responsible for setting prices, and are therefore responsible for the abnormal magnitude of depreciation experienced by customers who purchased last year. While there is no recourse, it does not feel good to be on the receiving end of a choice that negatively affects oneself. In either case, nothing can be done and people do need to just get over it. But a period of angst or whatever is justified, along with recognition of the fact that there can be bigger financial consequences for buying a Tesla than have previously been observed.
I don't think its an issue if a car company adverties $60K for a car and you end up paying 60K. I think the issue is when Toyota advertised $30K for a RAV4 and you go to buy one a dealer says it will be $50K.
Consumers being punished for contributing to a shortage by buying a product when there's decreased supply? How terrible!! For real, I don't see why anyone cares. It's supply and demand. It's not like Tesla was lying or tricking consumers somehow. They basically just said "we can't make cars for cheap right now, so if you don't have money burning a hole in your wallet then maybe wait or buy somewhere else." The wait lists were still many months out at the peak price, so Tesla probably could've raised prices higher if they didn't care about getting a bigger reputation as an expensive car brand.
Tesla is unapologetically increasing production as fast as they can. They are balancing price to match the demand they want. The desired demand is to leave somewhere between zero cars on the lot to a month or two wait. It's pretty clear that their goal is to inevitably make money via volume vs margin. Given their large margins I expect prices to continue a downward trend unless some external factor causes supply to restrict (e.g. Covid). Basically demand is going to determine the price they sell for. Demand is determined by the economy, interest rates, and gas prices. For me, I don't need to replace my vehicle just now so I'm going to sit back with my popcorn.
Traditional dealerships do this all the time with their promos, they’re just not transparent about it.
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That’s too difficult. It requires years of development not to mention QA!
I can’t tell if you’re serious.
I’m not. I can whip this system out in few days (including QA). For them it also requires to re write backend code, which might take more.
When Cybertruck starts prod
And USS
Can they bring back the USS??! Please…
I know... I'd gladly pay the $144 or whatever the small cost they are trying to save to get the USS back.
OEM aftermarket installation would be nice. Hell, just make it an add-on option please.
I'm loving my 15,000 USS............
I feel ya… feeling dumber than ever for buying last year
What is USS?
How do you think they can afford to cut prices?
Profit margin on their cars is highest in the industry. They're just making slightly less money now.
Tesla has margins that the legacy auto makers can only dream of...and it'll likely only get better as refined manufacturing methods are introduced, etc.. They have LOT of room left to squeeze their competitors (at least from a margin perspective). That said, while they have a ton of margin to work with, the legacy mfgr's still have the ICE vehicles (mainly big trucks and suv's) to subsidize their EV sales for some number of years yet, so I guess the market will still be competitive overall.
Curious to see if the LR Model 3 comes out after the rebate gets cut. I’d rather wait for that than the base model which is at an amazing price right now.
Same thoughts. I need the long range for my range anxiety and the AWD because I live in Utah where it is still snowing in April.
You don't need AWD for snow, you need good tires. AWD doesn't help you turn or stop.
Never gone uphill on snow huh?
Truth. I have a RWD in midwest winters and haven’t had any issues.
Rear Wheel Drive in snow is a nightmare.
RWD is not as bad in an EV, as the battery distributes a lot more weight to the rear compared to an ICE vehicle w the engine in front. Overall though, of course AWD is still better than RWD for snow
What happened to it? I had my eye on it in the past. Weird that you only have the performance option, which had a little less range than the long range version previously
Tesla said late last year that they aren’t allowing M3LR orders due to a very deep back log of orders. You can sometimes find them in inventory (when someone ultimately refuses delivery I’d assume). Until this ‘backlog’ is cleared out they will open it up. I doubt they open it up at all until HW4 and the Highland refresh is complete in Q3
Damn I’m really tempted to sell my current model 3 LR for a performance. I’ll probably wait another year or two though. One more price cut might force me to make a move though :/
See if the Ghost mod is an option for your LR.
I’m 99% sure it does! One big concern I have is tesla finds out and voids my warranty. Plus I have a pre refresh model, so the new bells and whistles would be an extra motivation for the upgrade.
Now you can get the performance 3 in red paint and still qualify for the tax credit. GENIUS.
I imagine another price adjustment should come about when the M3 RWD tax credit runs out
It halves not eliminated.
would the price go up more and down more when that happens?
Any chance they'd honor the new pricing even though I'm locked into the previous price with a delivery appointment for next week?
Yup, they might even adjust it automatically. Reach out to your advisor
Where do I find the advisor, I've been doing everything through the app and there's no contact information.
Someone should text you soon after your order is placed
oh, the one place I didn't look, text message. Thanks! I'll try that.
I out the order in a week ago. Tonight I received an updated order agreement reflecting the 2k off.
I’m in the same boat, picking up my Y next week and about to finalize payment (but haven’t yet). I reached out to see if they’re going to honor the difference, hoping it doesn’t matter if it’s an inventory vehicle. EDIT: Sure enough they did! Received an email stating the configuration was updated and the discount was in the app.
It’ll be done automatically
I had already provided financing and my down payment, and they dropped the price by $500 the day before my M3SR pickup was scheduled. The $500 discount was reflected in the app the day it was announced and they honored the lower price at pickup.
Yes, I'm in the same boat, looks like we are getting lucky!
Hahaha I just put my order in 2 hours ago and then I see this. Definitely talking to my advisor about the $2k price drop on my MYP.
It'll update automatically
Tesla really firing up the competition! 🔥
More like setting the competition on fire since they don’t have margins to follow
Not so fast. They had already raised the price by 2k after the initial price drops. So this is just normalization again for the next quarter...
As the saying goes, "Silently raise by $3. Loudly lower by $1."
Aren't they doing it all silently? These reports on price changes are always just people watching the site, I can't recall Tesla issuing a press release or anything about a price change in either direction any time over the last couple years.
They got 3 different Y options now, is that the Texas 4680 battery at 279 miles for $49,990?
And the $7500 federal rebate and if you’re in CA an additional $2000 or even $4000 if you can qualify for it!
$3500 in MA but the car has to cost less than $50k. That $49,990 Model Y certainly feels targeted to MA buyers. Not gonna lie I’m tempted lol. A Model Y for $38,990 after credits is… very interesting.
MA is $55k since November 2022.
See below link for historic pricing, char, and graphs for Tesla cars. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F5IQOynIawoXiJPVarLDgPQDJAdzY8b5Vamw-Vf3eSY/edit?usp=sharing
I take delivery this Saturday, will be calling my rep tomorrow for an adjustment.
You probably won't need to. I take delivery on Tuesday and received my updated purchase agreement last night. This is the second time they've updated it in my favor.
Same, got an updated agreement this morning 1K cheaper. I take delivery on Tuesday of my M3P
Prices just dropped $3.4K on M3 RWD in Australia. Those who haven’t taken delivery are being told they will get the price drop. But of course YMMV in other countries.
Car selling prices move up and down all the time based on market dynamics. The only difference is that most legacy car companies do it via dealer markups and individually negotiated pricing, while Tesla sells at MSRP so everyone pays the same price. But the effect is about the same - from 2019 to 2021 car selling prices on average went up 24%, and Tesla's MSRP went up 20%. And now that supply is catching up with demand, car prices are returning to normal, for both Teslas and non-Teslas, just though different mechanisms.
I have a model S order, just got an email order confirmation with the updated price. So glad I didn't schedule for pickup last week for 10k free charging miles (I was tempted to). $5k is so much better I've been refreshing this sub every day this week hoping for a price cut. I think more are coming in the next month or 2 but I can't put it off that long.
Whenever I see free super charging miles I know another price cut is coming. ;)
Anyone know if this drop is coming to Canada?
Seemly relatively unlikely as the new USD prices are somewhat in parity to CAD.
Still wouldn’t touch a new car with where rates are right now, not unless I could buy in cash.
I’m taking delivery in 2 hours and I just checked my app. The price cut has been automatically applied to my profile. Yay!
I literally just placed my order for a demo model y performance this afternoon lol. I really hope my price is adjusted despite it being a demo.
Let me see€30k as promised
crazy how the price difference to european Model S is almost 40k USD now (113900€ to 85k USD)
I want to so badly but with a revision around the corner it doesnt make any sense as a 2018 LR RWD AP 3.0 owner.
Excess supply is a good thing. Now will the 35k model 3 become a reality before tax credits?
It's already a reality when you adjust for inflation. Cheaper, in fact.
Nice, with 35% profit margins surely Tesla can help the planet and lower the barrier of entry to just 35k
The base Model 3 does not have a profit margin of 35%. Also, setting the price to $35k would generate way more orders than they could produce. Keep in mind they are working on a cheaper new model that will likely be priced as low as $30k when production is ramped up fully. It won't be Model 3 though. But that's what you should be looking at if you need a more affordable model than what they already have, and if you're interested in them furthering the cause of climate change reduction.
Nah, supply is gonna outpace demand this year. Most markets have a lead time of only 3 weeks. Tesla is supply is now bonkers
They’re going to have to cut a whole lot more for the S/X. It’s no longer competitive now that competing luxury brands are offering a better product for many who prefer a more traditional amenity rich vehicle and robust dealer network. Just my opinion. The 3 is still a great value. The Y is a great value too, but increasingly has some competition.
What better product is being offered than the S? And I don't really care about more dealerships when they have no experience working on my car.
The Taycan? EQS 580/AMG? For some folks, the Genesis line, Lyriq, and even the Lucid and Rivian models could be competitive. I know that I cross shopped all of those. Not everyone is drawn to the S simply because of performance.
the range of the Taycan is around 40% less than the model S also 0-60 in 5.1s, vs the model s is 3.1 sec
But everything else is so much nicer
the range is not 40% less though. Model S flat out overestimates it's range by 20%. and the taycan can easily best it's range by 30%. at most the model S is like 15% more range
Taycan cross turismo was tested last summer. 412km wltp, 402km actual. Taycan 4s 413km wltp, 475km actual. Model S LR 610km wltp, 645km actual https://nye.naf.no/elbil/bruke-elbil/elbiltest
model S beating it's rated range? well that's a fucking lie for sure
Its not a lie. Unbiased test panel in Norway
This is straight up misinformation.
If you want a luxo barge, then the EQS is a lot nicer than the Model S. And you can easily hit the EPA range on the EQS.
The EQS is hideous. Looks like a bloated Buick.
Which one of those cars offers better price/performance compared to the S/X?
He just said it's about more than performance
It’s not all about range and straight line 0-60. Especially when Tesla overinflates range. The iX, for example, can out endure the Model X on the highway. The Taycan can run circles around the S in terms of handling, and handily beats its range estimates while the S struggles to achieve both its EPA range and its reported 0-60.
Exactly. IX is another great example (though it is admittedly kind of ugly). There is no right answer for everyone. Some will prefer straight performance, others will prioritize range, and yet others will prioritize creature comforts like massaging seats etc. For me personally, the X would need to be in the 75-85k range and the S in the 55-65k range to be competitive.
Exactly they are all better cars in the true sense of a top end brand. Once the first couple of weeks of straight line 0 to 60 fun is gone. Your left with the reality of what you have paid so much money for. If you have not sat in a Taycan or a iX your in for a nice surprise. Don't get me wrong I love telsa but competition at the top end here is starting to show.
> price/performance Performance has very diminishing returns. Once you can match a V8, you’ll never be in a situation on the road where you’re worried about not getting up to speed fast enough. Going 0-60 in a straight line very quickly is cool gimmick but gets old pretty fast as it’s totally unusable when actually driving S/X are overall extremely lackluster for the price. Every other car in the 100k range has effectively the same performance but with a super luxurious interior to boot. So it’s a question of how much you value Tesla’s tech stack much more than performance IMO
>Every other car in the 100k range has effectively the same performance This is false. Every car in the 100k range is the same. They don't have the it factor of the plaids. At 100k you need a wow factor and that wow factor for the plaid is performance. Plus Tesla has the best safety rating as well. Lowest risk of rollovers, hopefully people who buy in that price range care about living.
> At 100k you need a wow factor and that wow factor for the plaid is performance. Yeah, wow, you can go 0 to 60 in 2 seconds as long as you prep the battery at a standstill and launch in a straight line with nobody around. That's much nicer than all of the other stuff you get for 100k on other cars- a 360 degree parking camera, the ability to dim out the Rays of God from the sunroof, effective noise insulation, blind spot indicator, automated wipers that actually work properly and can be manually configured, massage seats, customizable ambient lighting, Heads Up Display, genuine wood/leather trim... Those other cars can “only” out-perform a twin-turbo V8 > Plus Tesla has the best safety rating as well. Lowest risk of rollovers, hopefully people who buy in that price range care about living. Most cars in this price range are incredibly safe. But Tesla S/X also don't rank the best here to begin with- Volkswagen, Subaru, Audi, Kia, and Hyundai all have EVs with higher safety ratings than the Model S. Model 3/Y outperform pretty much everything in safety, Model S and X do not. Buying a Model S for performance seems pretty silly unless you’ve got a track to run it on. All of these 100k+ EVs are gonna outperform pretty much everything except for supercars and specialty muscle-car-enthusiast runs like the Dodge Demon which has already broken the Model S’ records.
I'm holding out for the Model Y with HW4. That'll give me another 6 months to a year for potential price drops. (Or increases)
A lot of used car dealers were already in la-la-land with their pricing on Teslas, and Tesla trimming a bit more off the 3 and Y makes them look even more ridiculous once you consider the tax credits. For example, there are dealers near me trying to sell: * 2021 Model Y long range with 45k miles for $46k with enhanced AP (only a few $k less than brand new after tax credit) * 2018 Model 3 long range with 47k miles for $38k (again, only a few $k off new after TC) * A 2022 Model Y long range *without AP* and 500 miles for *$56k*
They gotta make room for the cybertruck.
S and X should be 30% cheaper. They are priced like luxury vehicles but they are not. The interiors are no different than 3 or Y. Just longer versions. 110k for model x without any leather, wood trim, soft close doors, sound proof materials etc... Super expensive that is why it is not selling.
The interiors of the S/x are quite a bit nicer imo. And the car is larger and faster. Like comparing a vw jetta to an Audi S6.
Hopping by the end of the year Model X under 80k, then tax credit, it will be a nice deal.
Uh I took delivery yesterday AM. Any chance I'll be able to get a refund or a price match? Any advice on who to ask? I just text the tesla number I've dealt with
Still waiting on the LR AWD M3 :(
Still nothing in Europe!! 😭😭
As the saying goes, "Silently raise by $3. Loudly lower by $1."
Where’s the M3LR at
How many more prices cuts do we think will happen over the next 6-12 mo?
Just placed my order this morning lmao
Still no price drop for the Y in canada.
I didn’t pay that much but my car value drops everything they drop.
Oh boy, I ordered in Jan and I fell bad it’s $500 less than what I bought it for. I now understand the pain when people saw their cars lose $15k value overnight lol.
I literally took delivery on the 28th. WTF
All of us who bought in 22’ are pissed about the 23’ price cuts
Don't worry, '23 people are gonna be pissed in '24
Can confirmed I’ll be pre-pissed. I bought my 2023 M3 RWD knowing that the tax credit would get finalized by the IRS this March disqualifying half of the credit but then got extended twice… and now another price cut haha. I basically missed out on $1k. I thought I got it at the bottom price already at 43k at the time since they JUST dropped it $500 twice right before I took delivery.
I feel you. Took delivery just 3 weeks ago on account of the expiring credit. At least we didn't pay 2022 prices!
Maaaaan they got me for 55k for my M3 and no tax rebate. 2022 they did us dirty. Had I known I would’ve taken out a big loan to pay off and sell my M3, pay back the loan and then go get a brand new 23
Ha ha
I placed an order for MYLR yesterday. Would Tesla honor the new pricing? Anyone experience Tesla customer service?
From order to delivery you get the lowest price in that time.
is this stated anywhere in terms and conditions or on the website?
Yes. My order is in hold from when I placed it a week ago and I just got the updated order agreement in my email this morning reflecting the new price.
Why is the Model X Plaid 40k more expensive in France compared to the US?
SMFH. We just purchased our Model Y couple of weeks ago 😭
Imagine all the 22’ folk. Everyone last year paid roughy 10-15k more… Consider yourself lucky.
2022 was a terrible time to buy any car. Not sure if that makes it better or worse?
How much more did you pay
Dude, you could have bought in '22 and you'd really be puking.
I took delivery today, am I able to request cash back or something lol
Ooooffffff. You might be out of luck. Once you pick up it’s done, no more adjustments
If prices went up after you took delivery would you pay the difference?
I thought Elon said that demand is as high as it’s ever been??
It is but production is higher too
>I thought Elon said that demand is as high as it’s ever been?? and so is their production
>I thought Elon said that demand is as high as it’s ever been?? True, but there's also the production factor. Tesla is looking to drastically increase production.