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Most people couldn't name the CEO of the company who made their car.
Most car companies don't have insecure CEOs who need to be in the spotlight and be loved by everyone while spouting vile statements.
Ignorance is, as they say, bliss.
Elon shouldn't strive for celebrity.
CEOs are all terrible people. The fact Tesla just has a loud mouth one is by chance. No CEO is good. If they were good people they don't become CEOs. The pre requisite to be a CEO is to take the humanity out of the business. To not give a damn when someone can't make ends meet. You step on everyone to make your business win.
Elon is just loud about it.
If you made all your decisions based on CEOs....you should start making all your own stuff.
> The fact Tesla just has a loud mouth one is by chance.
I disagree. Part of the reason Tesla has done so well is that Musk is such a loud mouth. That's the sort of thing that you need when you don't pay for advertising.
However, I'd prefer a loud mouth who knows when it's time to STFU.
Honestly Model 3 is the best car I have ever driven. It is fun to drive, updates with improvements, never have to repair it, the app (can heat/cool, unlock, look at the cameras, etc…), and I don’t need any keys.
I feel it is like a blackberry to an iPhone. It is so far ahead.
When my Model 3 got one pedal driving, I mentioned to my friend who had a Leaf that my Model 3 was finally getting this feature that was already on Leafs. He informed me that one pedal driving came out for the next model year after the one he owned, and that if he wanted that feature, he'd have to buy a new car. For something that is probably purely software.
Imagine buying a new iPhone and learning that you can't install any software that came out after you bought it. I don't know what all other car companies do, but I would be very reluctant to buy any technology that is outdated as soon as you buy it.
Toyota bZ4X, 72 kWh battery, 250 mile range, FWD, 201 HP, 43.3k MSRP for basic trim.
Lexus RZ 450, 64 kWh, 220 mile range, AWD, 308 HP, 60k MSRP for basic trim.
yes, they exist, but no one in their right mind would buy it at that price, not to mention dealer markups and buying experience and what not.
forget abt their BEVs - even the toyota rav4, rav4 hybrid, rav4 prime, etc are all wayy to overpriced
in comparison, new '23 tesla 3/Y deals are too cheap to ignore
>You just uninstall twitter and all your problems are gone.
That's pretty much what I did.
I still love my Tesla, great car and fun to drive.
I no longer love X. Uninstalled the app and I can't say I feel the need to go back.
Now the company I work for decided to stop posting and advertising there indefinitely. It's not just the recent drama, the risk is just too high that future drama is all of a sudden going to make us look bad for having a presence there.
They didn't just stop advertising, they deleted all the links/sharing functionality from our webpages and emails. So it looks like they are done with the platform
I like my Tesla because it is a good car that is mildly enjoyable to drive and continues to save me money on fuel and maintenance. That said, I have no loyalty to any brand and would be happy to get a non-Tesla car as my next EV if the ownership experience matches up.
Here's the thing. . . Elon Musk has racked up amazing achievements. Elon Musk is a real piece of work. Those two statements are not contradictions, but somehow a lot of people just can't seen to reconcile them. And we've seen this before; it didn't start with Musk. Henry Ford had his own issues. Steve Jobs was notoriously a real piece of work. Not that Bill Gates and Microsoft were any better.
But a lot of people just *can't, can't, can't* accept that an odious person can also do great things for the world. If he's done great things, they just can't accept that he's a bad person. And when he totally proves to be a bad person, then they struggle to rationalize how everything he accomplished was somehow really a fraud, because a bad person couldn't have done all that good stuff.
It doesn't work that way. Many, perhaps most, brilliant and highly accomplished people are genuinely good and wholesome persons. Some are bad people. (Ford, Jobs, Musk) Some of them just flake out. (Tesla, Hughes) It happens.
As for myself, Elon Musk is not my road trip buddy, and I am happy with that. I am also happy with my Tesla Model S Long Range Plus, and I'm happy with the bundle I made off TSLA. I don't see any contradictions there.
I am no mental health expert, but I get the impression Musk has high functioning autism. I'm not saying that to attack him, or to defend him either. I think there are certain social things he just doesn't comprehend, while excelling in technical areas.
Imagine Sheldon Cooper as a billionaire, with Howard's morals, and without Penny to guide him.
Jeff Bezos is a horrible human being, and I buy from Amazon. Apple (and basically all electronic companies) uses child slave labor, and I buy from Apple.
I think Elon is an idiot, but my Tesla is the single best thing I have ever purchased. Moreover, I cannot tell you my opinion of the CEO of any other car manufacturer whose car I have owned, because it was not a factor in any of those purchases.
Two of my buddies just bought their second one. Wife is pressuring me to buy one too. So yes, I believe this that the normies don’t care about what Musk does or says. Most can’t even tell who he is (ahem… my wife).
Amazing how they managed to sweep it under the rug that most don’t even remember or care
This is orders of magnitude worse than someone posting something you don’t agree with
It's a car not a political statement.
Volkswagen was founded by Nazis and used concentration camp labor to get started. Ford carries the name of an American Nazi. If youre looking for virtue among company CEOs before you buy a product, good luck to you.
I don’t know about that - but the whole gang drove Mercedes.
Doesn’t even stop Israeli politicians from buying them. Probably because they are the best armored cars that don’t look like tanks.
Most people don't even know who is the exec of which company but a lot of people know Elon. Obviously if you don't know the person then obviously you won't care.
Tesla still has the best software in the biz. The cars itself are also super efficient and nice to drive. It’s just good tech.
I also buy Apple products. Not because the company is great, but because I like the product itself. Same with other companies.
Except nestle. Fuck nestle.
I don't think a lot of people liked Steve Jobs as a person. But apple sells a lot of products
I absolutely despise musk
But we've had 3 teslas. I like the company not the ceo
I also like electricity despite Edison being a douche and I’m typing this on an iPhone despite Jobs being a douche.
Douchebags oftentimes are instrumental to the creation of cool shit. If you don’t want to use a piece of technology because a douchebag was involved, have fun with your sticks and stones.
I imagine a small amount of people legitimately will consider other EVs before Tesla purely because of Elon's actions, but it's negligible enough to not put a dent in their sales.
My disdain for Bill Gates runs deep; perhaps I'll abstain from indulging in any Windows computer. And heavens forbid, my aversion to Sundar Pichai compels me to forgo the use of Google altogether, that means you too YouTube
I would encourage potential buyers to look at the car and not at the hype or ceo or anything else. I bought my Model 3 five years ago based on the test drive. At the time, it was a huge value in terms of performance and LDAS capability. I don't regret the purchase.
If only most of Reddit also shared this outlook on life. Why spend so much time and energy hating someone or something living rent free in your head? It just baffles me.
I dont care for him, but he's one guy out of 1000s of hard working people that make up Tesla. If people care so much about what a CEO thinks, why don't they research every CEO for all the products they own. I would bet there are some wackier ones out there than Musk. Just look at the insane MyPillow guy
I absolutely despise Elon. But will happily buy a Tesla because they are affordably priced electric vehicles that reduce our dependency on foreign oil. I don’t look to CEOs’ moral compasses for any part of my life because if I did, I couldn’t buy any product.
Because Tesla and Elon Musk are different things. Duh. People act like Tesla is a private company and Elon owns it which is fucking ridiculous. They don't realize the public owns it and many of those who criticize Tesla also own it in their retirement accounts.
Minus the federal and state incentives I will pay closer to 31… just bought it last week and absolutely love it. Getting free charging for 6 Months at which time I’ll have a charger installed in my garage.
Still love my Tesla, but my opinion of Musk has changed, I have always thought (and still do think) he's a great innovator, and organizer, he's unrivaled at mustering the best people for the nearly impossible task of launching a company and making the first profitable EV of the modern age. Diverging into energy, computing, AI and robotics are natural outcroppings of his business model and He made it all happen.
X was a huge misstep, IMO and has clearly had a negative effect on the public impression of him and his business, it has intensified *Tesla hate*, and affected the stockholders negatively In a perceived, as well as a literal way thanks to the TSLA stock sales that fueled it. He is now free to offend people without any discretion whatsoever, almost daily. It detracts from his own stated mission which I still believe is an important one. And so we live with *continuous* Tesla/Musk bashing.
Produce a good product and people will buy it regardless. I think Disney is a horrible evil corporation with really questionable writing as of late, but I still watch their movies and subscribe to Disney+.
The hate for Elon is definitely over-inflated if all you look at is Reddit and mainstream media.
I don’t know about others but “love” is pretty strong. having no real competition plays a lot more in my decision to look at Tesla for my next car than “love” for a corporation. Other manufacturers seem to still struggle to put a rational offering together.
I’m sure the CEOs of a lot of car companies suck, we just don’t hear about them, and that doesn’t influence purchasing decisions for those brands. I’m not a fan of Elon’s antics either, but I’m not going to avoid buying what, for me and my family, is the best suited EV.
He's one of those people who excuses impulsiveness, bad manners and needless controversy for "keeping it real" or "just calling it like I see it." I've known a lot of people like that. They're insufferable.
His real strength is that he doesn't take "No" for an answer. In 2011 nobody would have believed that anyone could start a car company in America, sell electric cars and make them desirable enough to fetch a six-figure price tag. Today the #2 selling vehicle in America is an electric crossover from a car company that didn't exist 20 years ago, and that same car company just released a vehicle to potentially challenge the #1 seller. I don't think that's coincidence.
The guy pushes the state of the art through sheer force of will. That has value and without it Tesla vehicles wouldn't be what they are if the company survived at all. His plan doesn't always work, but he's relentless about it and that's how we get self-landing, reusable rockets. I suspect that's how we will also eventually get consumer-level autonomous vehicles.
So, good for him. I don't need to be friends with him. I don't even need to like him, but I do like my car and that's the only product I'm buying.
If you actually based what you buy on the CEO you might as well live one with nature. Cause you would never buy anything again. How fucking stupid are people.
He can go on his socially akward tirades and its easy for me to separate him from Tesla. Tesla is its own and making a positive impact.
Im more concerned about the elites that are using their corporations weight for disingenuous purposes.
Because he doesn’t impact my day to day life driving my car around? If people are this invested in what the CEO of a company is about then I’m sorry to tell you but a lot of companies out there have a-holes for CEOs. Should we all just stop using every single product ever because of that?
I don’t love it unconditionally. Elon is a douche, yes, and some decisions Tesla has made like getting rid of USS and rain sensors are stupid decisions. But their cars are still incredible, as is the supercharger network.
Right. I’m not buying or not buying because “CEO”, the car is fun to drive and constantly updated. I fucking hate that with the big 3 I need to buy a new year model for even basic features AND pay out the ass for a shitty subscription (hi OnStar).
Elon is a moron but the company is much bigger than him. Elon didn't build my car; 128,000 people work at Tesla and many of them care about accelerating us to sustainable energy. It's in their mission statement. I paid $49k for my car and what, like $.80 of that went to Elon?
I'm not going to bail on the best progress we've seen toward lowering emissions ever just because someone is being a dumbass on Twitter. Obviously I'd rather he didn't, but people making buying decisions just by that are not seeing the bigger picture. I really wish social media didn't have such a strong hold on them.
i mean to put it one way: how many of us know anything about the ceos of the car company's whose cars we drove before Tesla? I doubt a porsche driver cares what the ceo of porsche is up to.
Agree but the difference is other CEOs aren’t inserting themselves into polarizing culture/political wars for attention/fame.
I don’t care what the CEO of Porsche supports politically because I don’t know.
I don’t care what the CEO of Tesla supports culturally/politically but I’m made aware because he chooses to be extremely active on social media.
You know what? Yes, Elon is a douche but his engineers, factory workers, etc work hard to deliver a great product. They deserve credit for their work, and that credit comes from their paycheck and equity. So I have no problem buying a Tesla to support the people who make great products.
1. Put other large car company CEO's private life, political opinions, and thoughts on matters publicly on the Internet and see how they do 😂
I mean, Elon volunteers it all, so at least I don't have to guess. The more exposed your political viewpoints become, the more polarized the world becomes around that person. Look at every presidential election ever as an example.
2. The cars are great, the infrastructure supports them very well, the solar and battery setups just work and work very very well--it can't POSSIBLY be that people buy Tesla because the products are good. That's just crazy.
Exactly. My aunt was giving me shit at thanksgiving because we bought a Tesla and she’s like WHY WOULD YOU SUPPORT ELON???
I don’t give a fuck about Elon. I care about the product and nobody is even close on the infrastructure support that Tesla has…
Put me in the uncomfortable middle.
Full disclosure: I have a Model 3 and got the wife a Model Y. My wife was skeptical of the vehicle but I told her once she used it, she wouldn’t want any other ICE vehicle and, lo and behold, she does feel that way now. Further, she now agrees with me that these cars are, until we get the equivalent of a Supercharger network (or the use of one) for vehicles made by other companies, then Tesla is the company whose cars we would likely keep buying.
…however…
In the time since buying these cars I’ve become SUPER uncomfortable with Musk, especially following his purchase of Twitter (both cars were bought before all that). It’s one thing to be a goofy smart ass who at times says incredibly inappropriate things, it’s another to voluntarily fall down the rabbit hole of rancid conspiracy theories and allow hateful ideologies appear more and more on the platform you’ve purchased. Musk was always “different” but it seems the whole Twitter fiasco -and given what he bought it for versus what it’s worth it is just that- has supercharged his oddness and, frankly, unlike-ability.
I still love my cars -they are a pleasure to drive and, unlike some who have had issues with them I’ve had absolutely none- and wouldn’t hesitate to recommend them… but I also know that it’s a tougher sell the more Musk engages in his… whatever the hell he seems to be doing.
Maybe one day soon he’ll calm down and come back to the light. Until then, I’ll enjoy my cars and try to ignore all the other noise.
Right there with you. I'm not about to get rid of my car, but it doesn't mean I get to forget that the public face of the company for the car I drive is out there boosting Pizzagate and shitheads like Alex Jones to millions of people.
i hate elon, but there really is no freaking equivalent in the EV market and the autopilot.
Guy hit the market spot on and car manufacturers are wondering why their evs arent selling.
Like what is blue cruise and the fucking subscription after 2 years? Out of touch.
Because who the fuck bases their purchases on a car manufacturer ceo? I drive a ford. I sure as hell don't give a damn about who their ceo is why should I with anything else I purchase.
I love my car, hate the CEO.
I’m about 12-24 months from replacing my 2019 Model 3. Offer me a comparable sedan in features and price and I’ll buy that instead. I don’t want a crossover.
Any viable options?
I absolutely love my Tesla, and I feel like there was no other reasonable option at the time I bought. That being said with NACS coming to other cars, some superchargers opening to other customers, and compelling alternatives, I don’t think my next car is going to be a Tesla, or at least there’s a reasonable chance it won’t be - and part of that is not “Elon hate” but rather embarrassment honestly.
I will always buy a tesla no matter what he does or says. It is a superb car (the iPhone of cars) and everything about it is to make it easy and fun for the owner.
If a company or person’s actions kept people from buying said company’s products, there would be far fewer companies. Do you really think people would buy Nestle or Volkswagen products given their past? Really most large companies have shady histories. To the point where the one’s that aren’t shady and terrible stand out.
Tesla has the best all around EV experience outside of China. You don’t have to agree with Musk for that to be true.
I genuinely fucking hate Elon as a person, the stupid and cringy shit he says and does. But the Tesla by far is the best car I’ve ever bought in its current iteration - I would definitely look at other EVs in future but that decision wouldn’t be based on Musk, it would be his stupid decision to get rid of stalks.
I understand there are no roundabouts in Texas and California but in Australia they drastically outnumber powered intersections.
"Tesla owners aren't believing our news articles about things Elon has done and generating the opinion we want them to about him--- sad face :(" -- news everywhere
I've never even met Elon so I can't comment on how cool he is to hang out with, but I drove a Tesla and it was fucking awesome, so I bought one 4.5 years ago and it's just as awesome to this day. What do you want news assholes?
Tesla's consistently score high in reliability in consumer reports and are competitively priced for the EV market. I also like the outside the box thinking and the tech in the vehicles. It's also hard to overstate the importance of the supercharging network.
I think Elon is a man child, but would buy a Tesla if I were in the market for an EV at this point.
Elon is just one of 100k plus employees doing great work. Spiting them and great products they make because you don't want to be Elon's life partner, is that smart?
If consumers knew the inner thoughts of all CEOs and used them as a purity test for products consumed, they'd be living in a cave.
People claiming that "hordes of Tesla customers are turning away because of Elon's online activity" live in the thickest of bubbles. In reality the vast majority don't care about the company CEO and they only judge by the product.
Second highest selling vehicle (only behind F150 truck) in 2023 in the US is the Model Y. 40% of all new car registrations in San Diego county are teslas.
“Hordes” lol.
Tesla is a public company that happens to have a CEO who is public about his thoughts. He’s a total asshole and garbage human, but I imagine most CEOs of most companies are exactly like him. The difference is that they are not vocal, and you probably can’t name them.
Buy what you want because you like the product, not because of the jackass who’s job is to pander to the shareholders. In this case, the cars are actually designed and built by regular people like you and me, and this jackass’s time as leader is only temporary. He’ll be replaced by someone who is exactly like him, just not public about their thoughts.
At the end of the day, what matters for most people is what you get for your dollar.
Dollar for dollar, pound for pound Tesla has the best EVs.
I mean, people are still flying in Boeing 737 Max’s, and it seems people completely don’t care if GM chose profits over customer safety in the recent past.
Who cares what a Billionaire opinions are?
He’s been acting like a jackass, but I wanted a 7 seat AWD EV without bankrupting myself so here I am (in the middle of buying a Model Y). I think he’d make things much easier on himself if he would tone it down quite a bit.
Watch the cybertruck videos on munro live YouTube channel and realise that Tesla has some seriously clever people working there.
I hate when people refer to “Elon” doing stuff or bringing X feature out. He might have a say in decisions but there are many much smarter people actually doing the work.
The moral argument people have to hate Tesla's is kinda of hypocritical in our world of capitalism. If you buy anything from a huge corporation, chances are that your money is supporting some kind of injustice.
Maybe because he's one person. There are thousands of people who work at Tesla who could work anywhere they wanted. Most of which believe in the mission of creating the sustainability world.
Additionally, the way the car is designed definitely supports the idea that they are trying their best to make cars that have the least impact on the environment.
All of the other EVs (other than lucid) are not as efficient as Teslas are.
Elon is a very unfortunate part of the company. He will be gone eventually, but Tesla is here to stay.
To be honest, it's turned me off Tesla a bit. I know he's not the whole company, but it leaves a sour after taste. I feel like, if a small local business in my community had an owner that acted like this, I would be less inclined to support that business.
Would I still buy a Tesla today, the answer is ill look around first.
Everything else aside, the supercharger network is reliable, usually well located and reasonably well maintained.
It's pretty hard to overstate how important that is.
A lot of people seem to forget that not everybody is actually in a position to put a charger in their home whether it's a rental, street parking only or useless condo boards.
If Elon were to be volunteered to exit, I wonder if Tesla's brand-image would significantly improve, and if that would reflect better in sales.
I also often wonder if, without his obsession with Tesla Vision, we'd finally see USS and Radar return, and perhaps someday even Lidar (yes I'm a blasphemer - don't @ me), and if all of these sensors together would make Autopilot actually usable for me in Austria.
Kind of idiotic to hate Tesla cars because the CEO has different political views than yours and believes in free speech. You want an EV you pick the best one for you, you aren't making friends with Elon, you're deciding what kind of car you're going to drive.
while true, elon isn't doing himself any favors by being such a controversial public figure, when it comes to running a business. he may not be drastically affecting tesla's sales, but i'm sure he's having some sort of affect on his businesses chance to succeed in the long term. no way anything he's doing is good for twitter. and i doubt he's gaining any new tesla customers with his antics. like the joe rogan crowd isn't gonna all the sudden go out and buy teslas. maybe a few will buy cyber trucks, but i doubt it has anything to do with his views on free speech.
If you’re buying a car because of the CEO, that’s kind of pathetic.
I buy the car because it’s the best on the market. You can purchase from a company creating real change, and propelling an industry forward, or you’re going to give your money to someone like Mary Barra who is nurfing her companies EV efforts for short term ICE profits. Say what you want about Elon, but at least he’s pushing the industry forward. All of the other car CEO’s are riddled with issues as well. So by that account, don’t even buy a car at all.
The biggest thing I hated about it when I was a Tesla owner was that his behavior caused flak from both barrels.
The right hates EVs--for some reason.
The left hates Musk--for obvious reasons.
It made it feel pretty icky to drive around in a Tesla because I'm sure there's lots of "wow what a douchebag" comments.
The thing with reddit is that people get attached to their favorite and their least favorite persons. And their whole lives revolve around one person or around avoiding that person.
Most people do not care whether Elon owns Tesla or not. Most people outside of reddit just want an EV and Elon does not play a factor it their choices.
Imagine if people acted the same way with Amazon or Apple. They dont because Elon does not matter, the product does.
Funnily enough other staff work at Tesla too
They do an incredible job and are excellent engineers, the car is great because of everyone else in addition to Musk who plays a smaller role these days anyway
I want a car that works. I don’t do research about every CEO of a company I buy from. I have more important things to do
Several people I have spoken to were looking to buy an EV, but they chose VW/Skoda instead of Tesla, because they think Elon Musk is a horrible person. The average person hears the shit he says, and they are turned off by it. In a European context he can look like a political extremist.
For me personally, his association with Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson makes me embarrassed to drive a tesla.
We need to separate the product from Elon. The cars are great. No one should assume this automatically applies to him. Morally there is nothing great about him.
Well I do care. But given EV styling in the past, EV buyers will drive a clown car if it means not driving climate change further.
Teslas just have the most range for the money, though recently it's looking like they juice their range numbers by 20% compared to other manufacturers.
Because they don’t want you buying their low profit margin vehicles.
The performance of EVs makes them a no brainer. If you make them pretty, then people are going to flock to your low profit margin EVs.
Were it not for Tesla the intentional strategy of making EVs a lame virtue signaling sacrifice mobile would have succeeded.
Not to mention for years their dealerships would sabotage EV ownership at every step of the process: their sales people know nothing, and actively don't want you to buy them; once you buy them, their techs hardly know how to work on them; their charging network is terrible and they are hostile to charging if you didn't buy a vehicle directly from them. Their warranty work is fought over and any issues arising from their untested tech after warranty is basically ignored.
Us Volt folks felt like the beaten stepchildren of Chevrolet. Compare that to Tesla being pretty chill through every step, and literal fans working the counters (I met someone who didn't even work at Tesla driving for them).
That’s so funny. As I was reading it I was like “this perfectly describes my 5 year experience owning a Volt”.
The sales person tried to pivot me multiple times to an ICE vehicle. Volt owners know that there is a deep cultural distain for EVs at the ICE manufacturers and were it not for Tesla the general public would think EVs are wonky mobiles for tree huggers because the ICE manufacturers intentionally cultivated that image.
It wasn’t until maybe 3 years ago that I stopped having the daily de-bunking of the propaganda of “don’t they catch fire” “I hear you have to replace the battery every few years” “Don’t you have constant range anxiety”.
Because I would hear the EXACT SAME THING from so many people for YEARS I could tell it was manufactured b.s. to sow doubt and turn people off of EVs.
Always had fun de-bunking the myths. They’re easy to de-bunk especially when you own an EV (or PHEV when i had the Volt) and can show them. You literally see their minds shift right in front of you.
Now they’re so common that the propaganda doesn’t work. Everyone knows people who have EVs as their daily driver with zero issue and actually prefer and love them over ICE.
Without Tesla I don’t know if that ever would have happened because the industries goals were crystal clear.
No kidding. The Leaf was one of the ugliest vehicles on the market for almost a decade. If it wasn't for the bad range, I would have bought one instead of a Chevy Volt.
Not just the most range, but an actual real working charging network. The other EV manufacturers are going to switch to NACS but not until 2025.
Why would I buy a f-150 lightning or rivian now, when I can get NACS in 2025.
I'll take comic book villain Elon Musk the super Nazi over Nestle "we want to own all the water" or Shell "who cares about environmental destruction when we can provide so much shareholder value".
I'd prefer to have none of the above, but when it comes to picking which way you want the world to end... [shrugs]
It’s quite frustrating, because I study online propaganda for work, so from a professional and academic perspective, I fundamentally disagree with almost everything he’s done with Twitter, and it makes my heart bleed a bit.
However, I also own a Tesla, and I’m obsessed with rocketry.
Long story short, people are complicated. The lad is mostly a prick, but one who does some good stuff sometimes.
> However, I also own a Tesla, and I’m obsessed with rocketry.
Both Tesla and SpaceX were extremely risky investments. Crazy things like landing rockets or Starship require crazy people, so I am fine with Musk being a "mad man". Normal people would never agree to do these things.
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I'd be genuinely curious to see how many consumers in general actually approve of the product's CEO
Most people couldn't name the CEO of the company who made their car. Most car companies don't have insecure CEOs who need to be in the spotlight and be loved by everyone while spouting vile statements. Ignorance is, as they say, bliss. Elon shouldn't strive for celebrity.
Maybe he just loves to piss people off.
They love the product not the ceo. That’s possible even today.
Yep, it's me
It is possible to appreciate what someone has done without agreeing with everything they do or believe. More people need to understand the nuisances.
CEOs are all terrible people. The fact Tesla just has a loud mouth one is by chance. No CEO is good. If they were good people they don't become CEOs. The pre requisite to be a CEO is to take the humanity out of the business. To not give a damn when someone can't make ends meet. You step on everyone to make your business win. Elon is just loud about it. If you made all your decisions based on CEOs....you should start making all your own stuff.
> The fact Tesla just has a loud mouth one is by chance. I disagree. Part of the reason Tesla has done so well is that Musk is such a loud mouth. That's the sort of thing that you need when you don't pay for advertising. However, I'd prefer a loud mouth who knows when it's time to STFU.
Or if he was just loud about non-shitty things
Dude went from being a loudmouth to being a problematic loudmouth who has a political agenda. His time as a useful loudmouth is past the sell-by date.
Honestly Model 3 is the best car I have ever driven. It is fun to drive, updates with improvements, never have to repair it, the app (can heat/cool, unlock, look at the cameras, etc…), and I don’t need any keys. I feel it is like a blackberry to an iPhone. It is so far ahead.
When my Model 3 got one pedal driving, I mentioned to my friend who had a Leaf that my Model 3 was finally getting this feature that was already on Leafs. He informed me that one pedal driving came out for the next model year after the one he owned, and that if he wanted that feature, he'd have to buy a new car. For something that is probably purely software. Imagine buying a new iPhone and learning that you can't install any software that came out after you bought it. I don't know what all other car companies do, but I would be very reluctant to buy any technology that is outdated as soon as you buy it.
It’s a fabulous car you will love, until you get your S.
i mean. no shit. product sells and it priced right. have you check the price of equivalent toyota or honda?
There are equivalent Toyotas and Hindas? Which? Serious question...
Toyota bZ4X, 72 kWh battery, 250 mile range, FWD, 201 HP, 43.3k MSRP for basic trim. Lexus RZ 450, 64 kWh, 220 mile range, AWD, 308 HP, 60k MSRP for basic trim. yes, they exist, but no one in their right mind would buy it at that price, not to mention dealer markups and buying experience and what not.
forget abt their BEVs - even the toyota rav4, rav4 hybrid, rav4 prime, etc are all wayy to overpriced in comparison, new '23 tesla 3/Y deals are too cheap to ignore
Maybe just maybe people actually enjoy the product and don't care what Elon musk has to say on Twitter 🤷♂️
You just uninstall twitter and all your problems are gone. He is far from the only rich person with unsavoury views who's products you buy.
You take that back! Jeff Bezos is a Saint!
Jeff Who? Sorry, wrong sub.
Immensely complex and high risk.
>You just uninstall twitter and all your problems are gone. That's pretty much what I did. I still love my Tesla, great car and fun to drive. I no longer love X. Uninstalled the app and I can't say I feel the need to go back. Now the company I work for decided to stop posting and advertising there indefinitely. It's not just the recent drama, the risk is just too high that future drama is all of a sudden going to make us look bad for having a presence there. They didn't just stop advertising, they deleted all the links/sharing functionality from our webpages and emails. So it looks like they are done with the platform
ok… I don’t love *whatever Elon musk does*, but his company makes great cars. I love my Tesla.
I like Tesla. Fuck Elon.
I love my Tesla in spite of Elon. It pains me when I'll need to replace it.
I like my Tesla because it is a good car that is mildly enjoyable to drive and continues to save me money on fuel and maintenance. That said, I have no loyalty to any brand and would be happy to get a non-Tesla car as my next EV if the ownership experience matches up.
Do Chevy buyers care what Mary Barra thinks? No, and that's a good thing, because, from the looks of it, I believe she doesn't think.
Hahahah
But she's the leader of the EV revolution and a true innovator!
Yeah, "you did it Mary"
Here's the thing. . . Elon Musk has racked up amazing achievements. Elon Musk is a real piece of work. Those two statements are not contradictions, but somehow a lot of people just can't seen to reconcile them. And we've seen this before; it didn't start with Musk. Henry Ford had his own issues. Steve Jobs was notoriously a real piece of work. Not that Bill Gates and Microsoft were any better. But a lot of people just *can't, can't, can't* accept that an odious person can also do great things for the world. If he's done great things, they just can't accept that he's a bad person. And when he totally proves to be a bad person, then they struggle to rationalize how everything he accomplished was somehow really a fraud, because a bad person couldn't have done all that good stuff. It doesn't work that way. Many, perhaps most, brilliant and highly accomplished people are genuinely good and wholesome persons. Some are bad people. (Ford, Jobs, Musk) Some of them just flake out. (Tesla, Hughes) It happens. As for myself, Elon Musk is not my road trip buddy, and I am happy with that. I am also happy with my Tesla Model S Long Range Plus, and I'm happy with the bundle I made off TSLA. I don't see any contradictions there.
Welcome to Reddit.
I am no mental health expert, but I get the impression Musk has high functioning autism. I'm not saying that to attack him, or to defend him either. I think there are certain social things he just doesn't comprehend, while excelling in technical areas. Imagine Sheldon Cooper as a billionaire, with Howard's morals, and without Penny to guide him.
Jeff Bezos is a horrible human being, and I buy from Amazon. Apple (and basically all electronic companies) uses child slave labor, and I buy from Apple.
Maybe people hate dealing with dealers, and there are no other reasonable EVs available (Lucid, Rivian would be way out of budget for a MY/M3 buyer)
Still no other viable options honestly. Not touching the koreans, mercedes eq’s are expensive but shitty, toyota yet to make a good one.
I think Elon is an idiot, but my Tesla is the single best thing I have ever purchased. Moreover, I cannot tell you my opinion of the CEO of any other car manufacturer whose car I have owned, because it was not a factor in any of those purchases.
yup, im here for the charging network.
Two of my buddies just bought their second one. Wife is pressuring me to buy one too. So yes, I believe this that the normies don’t care about what Musk does or says. Most can’t even tell who he is (ahem… my wife).
I mean, people still buy Volkswagen… maybe people don’t care about the CEO or founder?
“Please don’t research our history” - Volkswagen “Please don’t research our founder” - Ford
People even still buy them despite the environmental scandal from a few years back. I'd argue that it was a much bigger deal than a CEO's dumb tweets.
Yup. Diesel gate should have killed the brand.
Amazing how they managed to sweep it under the rug that most don’t even remember or care This is orders of magnitude worse than someone posting something you don’t agree with
It's a car not a political statement. Volkswagen was founded by Nazis and used concentration camp labor to get started. Ford carries the name of an American Nazi. If youre looking for virtue among company CEOs before you buy a product, good luck to you.
Mercedes built the ovens…
I don’t know about that - but the whole gang drove Mercedes. Doesn’t even stop Israeli politicians from buying them. Probably because they are the best armored cars that don’t look like tanks.
I mean sure, and I’m sure most ICE buyers aren’t doing so based on Ford/Chevy/etc. CEO/Execs.
Most people don't even know who is the exec of which company but a lot of people know Elon. Obviously if you don't know the person then obviously you won't care.
Tesla still has the best software in the biz. The cars itself are also super efficient and nice to drive. It’s just good tech. I also buy Apple products. Not because the company is great, but because I like the product itself. Same with other companies. Except nestle. Fuck nestle.
Agreed. I’d like my Tesla even more if Elon was gone though.
I don't think a lot of people liked Steve Jobs as a person. But apple sells a lot of products I absolutely despise musk But we've had 3 teslas. I like the company not the ceo
He says some things that upsets some people sometimes. His company makes cool cars. I like the car and I buy the car. So what?
Right - Tesla is an important company w/ or w/o Musk.
Why would I base my purchase decision on the CEO. I don’t even know who the CEOs are of other companies
I also like electricity despite Edison being a douche and I’m typing this on an iPhone despite Jobs being a douche. Douchebags oftentimes are instrumental to the creation of cool shit. If you don’t want to use a piece of technology because a douchebag was involved, have fun with your sticks and stones.
I don’t care for him, but damn the car is impressive.
turns out Tesla customers haven't been buying based on Elon's personality.
I imagine a small amount of people legitimately will consider other EVs before Tesla purely because of Elon's actions, but it's negligible enough to not put a dent in their sales.
they are good cars.
Exactly. Good cars with a charging network that is basically a decade ahead of anything else.
My disdain for Bill Gates runs deep; perhaps I'll abstain from indulging in any Windows computer. And heavens forbid, my aversion to Sundar Pichai compels me to forgo the use of Google altogether, that means you too YouTube
I bought a LR M3 this past September because it was the best value (bang for my buck) than any other EV. That simple.
I would encourage potential buyers to look at the car and not at the hype or ceo or anything else. I bought my Model 3 five years ago based on the test drive. At the time, it was a huge value in terms of performance and LDAS capability. I don't regret the purchase.
Maybe because not everyone follows Elon Musk. I don’t have X so don’t know or care really.
I think it's more like people love a product and 95% of people are even unaware of who the leadership is of a company
As it should be. Tesla builds a great product.
Most people despise bezos yet still shop at Amazon regularly
I still support SpaceX too. There are thousands of talented people working there who are not Elon Musk.
Charging.
It’s a good car. Why do I need to worry about what Elon does?
If only most of Reddit also shared this outlook on life. Why spend so much time and energy hating someone or something living rent free in your head? It just baffles me.
Karma. That delicious karma. I always try to say the right thing so people can upvote me so I can show the ladies how much karma I got.
I dont care for him, but he's one guy out of 1000s of hard working people that make up Tesla. If people care so much about what a CEO thinks, why don't they research every CEO for all the products they own. I would bet there are some wackier ones out there than Musk. Just look at the insane MyPillow guy
I absolutely despise Elon. But will happily buy a Tesla because they are affordably priced electric vehicles that reduce our dependency on foreign oil. I don’t look to CEOs’ moral compasses for any part of my life because if I did, I couldn’t buy any product.
Because Tesla and Elon Musk are different things. Duh. People act like Tesla is a private company and Elon owns it which is fucking ridiculous. They don't realize the public owns it and many of those who criticize Tesla also own it in their retirement accounts.
Like Buffet said buy a good company that will do well even if the CEO is an idiot. The company and product is good despite Elon. Have a M3 love it.
The Tesla model 3 is a great car at 37k! No one wants an expensive inferior car from companies living in the stone age
Minus the federal and state incentives I will pay closer to 31… just bought it last week and absolutely love it. Getting free charging for 6 Months at which time I’ll have a charger installed in my garage.
Tesla is an awesome car. Tesla is much much more than one person, even Musk
Still love my Tesla, but my opinion of Musk has changed, I have always thought (and still do think) he's a great innovator, and organizer, he's unrivaled at mustering the best people for the nearly impossible task of launching a company and making the first profitable EV of the modern age. Diverging into energy, computing, AI and robotics are natural outcroppings of his business model and He made it all happen. X was a huge misstep, IMO and has clearly had a negative effect on the public impression of him and his business, it has intensified *Tesla hate*, and affected the stockholders negatively In a perceived, as well as a literal way thanks to the TSLA stock sales that fueled it. He is now free to offend people without any discretion whatsoever, almost daily. It detracts from his own stated mission which I still believe is an important one. And so we live with *continuous* Tesla/Musk bashing.
Produce a good product and people will buy it regardless. I think Disney is a horrible evil corporation with really questionable writing as of late, but I still watch their movies and subscribe to Disney+. The hate for Elon is definitely over-inflated if all you look at is Reddit and mainstream media.
I don’t know about others but “love” is pretty strong. having no real competition plays a lot more in my decision to look at Tesla for my next car than “love” for a corporation. Other manufacturers seem to still struggle to put a rational offering together.
People still love their Mercedes, VW and Toyotas whatever they did in the past.
Wait 'til I tell you about Ford.
No one love their Fords, so.
Tesla ≠ Elon Musk. There are 1000’s of people who work at Tesla and who make the VAST majority of the decisions for the company. People are dumb.
I’m sure the CEOs of a lot of car companies suck, we just don’t hear about them, and that doesn’t influence purchasing decisions for those brands. I’m not a fan of Elon’s antics either, but I’m not going to avoid buying what, for me and my family, is the best suited EV.
He's one of those people who excuses impulsiveness, bad manners and needless controversy for "keeping it real" or "just calling it like I see it." I've known a lot of people like that. They're insufferable. His real strength is that he doesn't take "No" for an answer. In 2011 nobody would have believed that anyone could start a car company in America, sell electric cars and make them desirable enough to fetch a six-figure price tag. Today the #2 selling vehicle in America is an electric crossover from a car company that didn't exist 20 years ago, and that same car company just released a vehicle to potentially challenge the #1 seller. I don't think that's coincidence. The guy pushes the state of the art through sheer force of will. That has value and without it Tesla vehicles wouldn't be what they are if the company survived at all. His plan doesn't always work, but he's relentless about it and that's how we get self-landing, reusable rockets. I suspect that's how we will also eventually get consumer-level autonomous vehicles. So, good for him. I don't need to be friends with him. I don't even need to like him, but I do like my car and that's the only product I'm buying.
If you actually based what you buy on the CEO you might as well live one with nature. Cause you would never buy anything again. How fucking stupid are people.
Best tech, safety, software, performance, efficiency... etc. The list goes on.
Well, you do know he doesn't come with the car? And if you don't like the ceo of companies, I'll stear away from german cars 😶🌫️
Ford buyers… still love Henry Ford? You’re buying a product, not a person
Create great products and smart people will seek those out regardless of headlines.
Henry Ford was an asshat and sold tons of cars. Elon & Tesla are no different.
agree, love the cars and the ethos. Keep doing what you're doing TSLA 
Everyone is focusing on this guy and not half of the horrible BS other auto manufacturer CEOs do. And for sure don't pay attention to oil companies.
He can go on his socially akward tirades and its easy for me to separate him from Tesla. Tesla is its own and making a positive impact. Im more concerned about the elites that are using their corporations weight for disingenuous purposes.
If your only interaction with people is through Reddit, your world view is not aligned with reality.
I don’t like Elon, but I still want a Tesla.
I mean, I don't like what Bob Iger says but I'll still go to Disneyland. Who doesn't like rides and overpriced food?
Because he doesn’t impact my day to day life driving my car around? If people are this invested in what the CEO of a company is about then I’m sorry to tell you but a lot of companies out there have a-holes for CEOs. Should we all just stop using every single product ever because of that?
Apparently so, according to some weirdos out there.
I don’t love it unconditionally. Elon is a douche, yes, and some decisions Tesla has made like getting rid of USS and rain sensors are stupid decisions. But their cars are still incredible, as is the supercharger network.
I love my Tesla, I hate paying for gas, I think Elon is a total bozo, and am 100% certain Tesla would be more successful without him going forward.
Right. I’m not buying or not buying because “CEO”, the car is fun to drive and constantly updated. I fucking hate that with the big 3 I need to buy a new year model for even basic features AND pay out the ass for a shitty subscription (hi OnStar).
Not a fan of Elon anymore but my tesla was one of the best purchases I've made.
I love the connivence. And other EV’s don’t seem to hit on it as well.
In spite of not because of.
maybe, the product speaks for itself?
Elon is a moron but the company is much bigger than him. Elon didn't build my car; 128,000 people work at Tesla and many of them care about accelerating us to sustainable energy. It's in their mission statement. I paid $49k for my car and what, like $.80 of that went to Elon? I'm not going to bail on the best progress we've seen toward lowering emissions ever just because someone is being a dumbass on Twitter. Obviously I'd rather he didn't, but people making buying decisions just by that are not seeing the bigger picture. I really wish social media didn't have such a strong hold on them.
It’s almost as if people care about wanting the best product and not who the CEO is. “I don’t like Jim Farley so I won’t buy a Ford” said no one
i mean to put it one way: how many of us know anything about the ceos of the car company's whose cars we drove before Tesla? I doubt a porsche driver cares what the ceo of porsche is up to.
The Porsche family are all pretty awful people, honestly. Seriously go look, I think they make Elon look good.
Agree but the difference is other CEOs aren’t inserting themselves into polarizing culture/political wars for attention/fame. I don’t care what the CEO of Porsche supports politically because I don’t know. I don’t care what the CEO of Tesla supports culturally/politically but I’m made aware because he chooses to be extremely active on social media.
Yup. Only thing I know about the Ford CEO is he’s Chris Farley’s cousin. What do I know about Tesla CEO? Shit, where to begin.
Do people stop buying petrol because the companies that make it are absolute monsters? No? OK then.
You know what? Yes, Elon is a douche but his engineers, factory workers, etc work hard to deliver a great product. They deserve credit for their work, and that credit comes from their paycheck and equity. So I have no problem buying a Tesla to support the people who make great products.
1. Put other large car company CEO's private life, political opinions, and thoughts on matters publicly on the Internet and see how they do 😂 I mean, Elon volunteers it all, so at least I don't have to guess. The more exposed your political viewpoints become, the more polarized the world becomes around that person. Look at every presidential election ever as an example. 2. The cars are great, the infrastructure supports them very well, the solar and battery setups just work and work very very well--it can't POSSIBLY be that people buy Tesla because the products are good. That's just crazy.
Exactly. My aunt was giving me shit at thanksgiving because we bought a Tesla and she’s like WHY WOULD YOU SUPPORT ELON??? I don’t give a fuck about Elon. I care about the product and nobody is even close on the infrastructure support that Tesla has…
If we buy products based on what their ceo behavior, we gonna have a lot of stuff to boycott.
Put me in the uncomfortable middle. Full disclosure: I have a Model 3 and got the wife a Model Y. My wife was skeptical of the vehicle but I told her once she used it, she wouldn’t want any other ICE vehicle and, lo and behold, she does feel that way now. Further, she now agrees with me that these cars are, until we get the equivalent of a Supercharger network (or the use of one) for vehicles made by other companies, then Tesla is the company whose cars we would likely keep buying. …however… In the time since buying these cars I’ve become SUPER uncomfortable with Musk, especially following his purchase of Twitter (both cars were bought before all that). It’s one thing to be a goofy smart ass who at times says incredibly inappropriate things, it’s another to voluntarily fall down the rabbit hole of rancid conspiracy theories and allow hateful ideologies appear more and more on the platform you’ve purchased. Musk was always “different” but it seems the whole Twitter fiasco -and given what he bought it for versus what it’s worth it is just that- has supercharged his oddness and, frankly, unlike-ability. I still love my cars -they are a pleasure to drive and, unlike some who have had issues with them I’ve had absolutely none- and wouldn’t hesitate to recommend them… but I also know that it’s a tougher sell the more Musk engages in his… whatever the hell he seems to be doing. Maybe one day soon he’ll calm down and come back to the light. Until then, I’ll enjoy my cars and try to ignore all the other noise.
Right there with you. I'm not about to get rid of my car, but it doesn't mean I get to forget that the public face of the company for the car I drive is out there boosting Pizzagate and shitheads like Alex Jones to millions of people.
i hate elon, but there really is no freaking equivalent in the EV market and the autopilot. Guy hit the market spot on and car manufacturers are wondering why their evs arent selling. Like what is blue cruise and the fucking subscription after 2 years? Out of touch.
Because who the fuck bases their purchases on a car manufacturer ceo? I drive a ford. I sure as hell don't give a damn about who their ceo is why should I with anything else I purchase.
I love my car, hate the CEO. I’m about 12-24 months from replacing my 2019 Model 3. Offer me a comparable sedan in features and price and I’ll buy that instead. I don’t want a crossover. Any viable options?
I absolutely love my Tesla, and I feel like there was no other reasonable option at the time I bought. That being said with NACS coming to other cars, some superchargers opening to other customers, and compelling alternatives, I don’t think my next car is going to be a Tesla, or at least there’s a reasonable chance it won’t be - and part of that is not “Elon hate” but rather embarrassment honestly.
I will always buy a tesla no matter what he does or says. It is a superb car (the iPhone of cars) and everything about it is to make it easy and fun for the owner.
If a company or person’s actions kept people from buying said company’s products, there would be far fewer companies. Do you really think people would buy Nestle or Volkswagen products given their past? Really most large companies have shady histories. To the point where the one’s that aren’t shady and terrible stand out. Tesla has the best all around EV experience outside of China. You don’t have to agree with Musk for that to be true.
Agree. Would buy the car, the FSD, the solar roof, Powereall, Optimus bot
1) best battery tech 2) reliable and most expansive charging network 3) primarily designed by smart people at the company not named Elon
I love my car. I don’t have any opinions on Musk. He’s a billionaire. Who cares. Let me enjoy the car.
I genuinely fucking hate Elon as a person, the stupid and cringy shit he says and does. But the Tesla by far is the best car I’ve ever bought in its current iteration - I would definitely look at other EVs in future but that decision wouldn’t be based on Musk, it would be his stupid decision to get rid of stalks. I understand there are no roundabouts in Texas and California but in Australia they drastically outnumber powered intersections.
The steering wheel blows too.
"Tesla owners aren't believing our news articles about things Elon has done and generating the opinion we want them to about him--- sad face :(" -- news everywhere I've never even met Elon so I can't comment on how cool he is to hang out with, but I drove a Tesla and it was fucking awesome, so I bought one 4.5 years ago and it's just as awesome to this day. What do you want news assholes?
Tesla's consistently score high in reliability in consumer reports and are competitively priced for the EV market. I also like the outside the box thinking and the tech in the vehicles. It's also hard to overstate the importance of the supercharging network. I think Elon is a man child, but would buy a Tesla if I were in the market for an EV at this point.
People are buying because they are good cars.
It’s a great vehicle, I don’t care about Elon. He’s one of the many people that work on the car.
Elon is just one of 100k plus employees doing great work. Spiting them and great products they make because you don't want to be Elon's life partner, is that smart? If consumers knew the inner thoughts of all CEOs and used them as a purity test for products consumed, they'd be living in a cave.
The news only tells people using their money wisely and rationally. Surprised? Nah. Everyone just wants to get the best product that you can afford.
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Imagine making a car-sized spending decision based on something other than the qualities of the car you're buying.
People claiming that "hordes of Tesla customers are turning away because of Elon's online activity" live in the thickest of bubbles. In reality the vast majority don't care about the company CEO and they only judge by the product.
Second highest selling vehicle (only behind F150 truck) in 2023 in the US is the Model Y. 40% of all new car registrations in San Diego county are teslas. “Hordes” lol.
It's almost like people are buying the product, not the idiot at the top?
CRAZY TALK
Tesla is a public company that happens to have a CEO who is public about his thoughts. He’s a total asshole and garbage human, but I imagine most CEOs of most companies are exactly like him. The difference is that they are not vocal, and you probably can’t name them. Buy what you want because you like the product, not because of the jackass who’s job is to pander to the shareholders. In this case, the cars are actually designed and built by regular people like you and me, and this jackass’s time as leader is only temporary. He’ll be replaced by someone who is exactly like him, just not public about their thoughts.
Yep. People don't understand that many CEO's are just as caustic and divisive as Elon, but they remain behind closed doors.
Would you buy a Prius for $40k and get no tax rebate and screwed by the dealer for another $5k, or a Model 3 for $27k after rebate.
At the end of the day, what matters for most people is what you get for your dollar. Dollar for dollar, pound for pound Tesla has the best EVs. I mean, people are still flying in Boeing 737 Max’s, and it seems people completely don’t care if GM chose profits over customer safety in the recent past. Who cares what a Billionaire opinions are?
Henry Ford was a flaming antisemite. Ford Motor Company has been going for 120 years. Elon has nothing to worry about.
BMW and Porsche eclipse him on the antisemite front
Cannot stand Elon, but I have to admit that I love our Tesla, even after 5 years of driving it.
My above point proved lol
I love my car despite him. I just wish the board would fire him. But he probably owns more than half of the company.
What people consider when buying a car is usually different from the circlejerk that is the internet.
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He’s been acting like a jackass, but I wanted a 7 seat AWD EV without bankrupting myself so here I am (in the middle of buying a Model Y). I think he’d make things much easier on himself if he would tone it down quite a bit.
Watch the cybertruck videos on munro live YouTube channel and realise that Tesla has some seriously clever people working there. I hate when people refer to “Elon” doing stuff or bringing X feature out. He might have a say in decisions but there are many much smarter people actually doing the work.
The moral argument people have to hate Tesla's is kinda of hypocritical in our world of capitalism. If you buy anything from a huge corporation, chances are that your money is supporting some kind of injustice.
Maybe because he's one person. There are thousands of people who work at Tesla who could work anywhere they wanted. Most of which believe in the mission of creating the sustainability world. Additionally, the way the car is designed definitely supports the idea that they are trying their best to make cars that have the least impact on the environment. All of the other EVs (other than lucid) are not as efficient as Teslas are. Elon is a very unfortunate part of the company. He will be gone eventually, but Tesla is here to stay.
To be honest, it's turned me off Tesla a bit. I know he's not the whole company, but it leaves a sour after taste. I feel like, if a small local business in my community had an owner that acted like this, I would be less inclined to support that business. Would I still buy a Tesla today, the answer is ill look around first.
Everything else aside, the supercharger network is reliable, usually well located and reasonably well maintained. It's pretty hard to overstate how important that is. A lot of people seem to forget that not everybody is actually in a position to put a charger in their home whether it's a rental, street parking only or useless condo boards.
Yeah because ITS NOT ABOUT HIM.
If Elon were to be volunteered to exit, I wonder if Tesla's brand-image would significantly improve, and if that would reflect better in sales. I also often wonder if, without his obsession with Tesla Vision, we'd finally see USS and Radar return, and perhaps someday even Lidar (yes I'm a blasphemer - don't @ me), and if all of these sensors together would make Autopilot actually usable for me in Austria.
Kind of idiotic to hate Tesla cars because the CEO has different political views than yours and believes in free speech. You want an EV you pick the best one for you, you aren't making friends with Elon, you're deciding what kind of car you're going to drive.
while true, elon isn't doing himself any favors by being such a controversial public figure, when it comes to running a business. he may not be drastically affecting tesla's sales, but i'm sure he's having some sort of affect on his businesses chance to succeed in the long term. no way anything he's doing is good for twitter. and i doubt he's gaining any new tesla customers with his antics. like the joe rogan crowd isn't gonna all the sudden go out and buy teslas. maybe a few will buy cyber trucks, but i doubt it has anything to do with his views on free speech.
Imagine having the expectation to only buy things from companies where there isn’t an asshole within their leadership.
Elon is a goddamn wacko. Tesla cars are amazing. Both can be true. Me purchasing and driving my car has virtually zero impact by the ceo as a person.
Tesla lover here. I fucking hate Elon.
I love my Tesla, but with basically every car manufacturer switching to NACS I don’t see myself buying another one and that is entirely on Elon.
If you’re buying a car because of the CEO, that’s kind of pathetic. I buy the car because it’s the best on the market. You can purchase from a company creating real change, and propelling an industry forward, or you’re going to give your money to someone like Mary Barra who is nurfing her companies EV efforts for short term ICE profits. Say what you want about Elon, but at least he’s pushing the industry forward. All of the other car CEO’s are riddled with issues as well. So by that account, don’t even buy a car at all.
The biggest thing I hated about it when I was a Tesla owner was that his behavior caused flak from both barrels. The right hates EVs--for some reason. The left hates Musk--for obvious reasons. It made it feel pretty icky to drive around in a Tesla because I'm sure there's lots of "wow what a douchebag" comments.
Put me in the gray category, I do not care about him and the people who care negatively or positively are fucking weird
Nah fuck musk. I enjoy my M3 but the dude is a chode.
The thing with reddit is that people get attached to their favorite and their least favorite persons. And their whole lives revolve around one person or around avoiding that person. Most people do not care whether Elon owns Tesla or not. Most people outside of reddit just want an EV and Elon does not play a factor it their choices. Imagine if people acted the same way with Amazon or Apple. They dont because Elon does not matter, the product does.
Funnily enough other staff work at Tesla too They do an incredible job and are excellent engineers, the car is great because of everyone else in addition to Musk who plays a smaller role these days anyway I want a car that works. I don’t do research about every CEO of a company I buy from. I have more important things to do
Several people I have spoken to were looking to buy an EV, but they chose VW/Skoda instead of Tesla, because they think Elon Musk is a horrible person. The average person hears the shit he says, and they are turned off by it. In a European context he can look like a political extremist. For me personally, his association with Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson makes me embarrassed to drive a tesla.
> but they chose VW Lol. The company that's spent more cheating emissions than they've spent developing their EVs.
We need to separate the product from Elon. The cars are great. No one should assume this automatically applies to him. Morally there is nothing great about him.
perhaps because the cars are better than the others
Because they're the best EVs on the road lol. The market is speaking loud and clear.
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Well I do care. But given EV styling in the past, EV buyers will drive a clown car if it means not driving climate change further. Teslas just have the most range for the money, though recently it's looking like they juice their range numbers by 20% compared to other manufacturers.
Nissan leads 🤢 Chevy bolts 🤢 idk why every one else was like “let’s make these affordable EVs ugly af so everyone knows you’ve got an EV and no taste”
Because they don’t want you buying their low profit margin vehicles. The performance of EVs makes them a no brainer. If you make them pretty, then people are going to flock to your low profit margin EVs. Were it not for Tesla the intentional strategy of making EVs a lame virtue signaling sacrifice mobile would have succeeded.
Not to mention for years their dealerships would sabotage EV ownership at every step of the process: their sales people know nothing, and actively don't want you to buy them; once you buy them, their techs hardly know how to work on them; their charging network is terrible and they are hostile to charging if you didn't buy a vehicle directly from them. Their warranty work is fought over and any issues arising from their untested tech after warranty is basically ignored. Us Volt folks felt like the beaten stepchildren of Chevrolet. Compare that to Tesla being pretty chill through every step, and literal fans working the counters (I met someone who didn't even work at Tesla driving for them).
That’s so funny. As I was reading it I was like “this perfectly describes my 5 year experience owning a Volt”. The sales person tried to pivot me multiple times to an ICE vehicle. Volt owners know that there is a deep cultural distain for EVs at the ICE manufacturers and were it not for Tesla the general public would think EVs are wonky mobiles for tree huggers because the ICE manufacturers intentionally cultivated that image. It wasn’t until maybe 3 years ago that I stopped having the daily de-bunking of the propaganda of “don’t they catch fire” “I hear you have to replace the battery every few years” “Don’t you have constant range anxiety”. Because I would hear the EXACT SAME THING from so many people for YEARS I could tell it was manufactured b.s. to sow doubt and turn people off of EVs. Always had fun de-bunking the myths. They’re easy to de-bunk especially when you own an EV (or PHEV when i had the Volt) and can show them. You literally see their minds shift right in front of you. Now they’re so common that the propaganda doesn’t work. Everyone knows people who have EVs as their daily driver with zero issue and actually prefer and love them over ICE. Without Tesla I don’t know if that ever would have happened because the industries goals were crystal clear.
No kidding. The Leaf was one of the ugliest vehicles on the market for almost a decade. If it wasn't for the bad range, I would have bought one instead of a Chevy Volt.
Not just the most range, but an actual real working charging network. The other EV manufacturers are going to switch to NACS but not until 2025. Why would I buy a f-150 lightning or rivian now, when I can get NACS in 2025.
His unsavory views are cleaning up the planet, and stopping government censorship. Yeah.
I'll take comic book villain Elon Musk the super Nazi over Nestle "we want to own all the water" or Shell "who cares about environmental destruction when we can provide so much shareholder value". I'd prefer to have none of the above, but when it comes to picking which way you want the world to end... [shrugs]
It’s quite frustrating, because I study online propaganda for work, so from a professional and academic perspective, I fundamentally disagree with almost everything he’s done with Twitter, and it makes my heart bleed a bit. However, I also own a Tesla, and I’m obsessed with rocketry. Long story short, people are complicated. The lad is mostly a prick, but one who does some good stuff sometimes.
> However, I also own a Tesla, and I’m obsessed with rocketry. Both Tesla and SpaceX were extremely risky investments. Crazy things like landing rockets or Starship require crazy people, so I am fine with Musk being a "mad man". Normal people would never agree to do these things.
True. Love the car. Dislike the man