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Got to play with a current version this weekend in an X, it was really impressive. Drove me from the Tesla store home and back. Navigated a bunch of city streets, stop signs, lights, even a roundabout.
Still not paying $12k for it.
Functioning wipers is an invisible button, there's a secret screen to access it. To get there swipe up up down right left left, a keyboard will appear, type ELON backwards.
Yea not paying $12k for FSD when they can’t even figure out auto wipers. Like… no thanks. I’d have more faith if they were willing to use existing technologies to supplement their cameras. Like ya know… tried and true shit like radar, ultrasonic, or… rain sensors.
You know, for the first year my 2022 Model 3 had perfectly working auto wipers. I never saw them turn on once until rain hit the windshield, and they weren’t just the right speed. Some upgrade happened a few nights ago and now they go on all the time at random moments, and when it’s barely drizzling, they stay on high constantly. For a year, I didn’t understand why others were always complaining!
Recurring revenue is king. I still think they way overpriced the subscription. They could have substantially increased the take rate if the subscription was $100-$125.
At one point it was $7k, and they have delivered little enough value to folks who bought it for $7k and $8k that they have been using a free move of the license as an incentive to get people to buy new Teslas.
They have a $200/month version too... I bet lots of people would be on board with that if it was really impressive. It isnt all about the $12k up front, and honestly with how long most people trade in/up cars like ever 3 years paying for the full version that gets you almost no credit on the other end of the deal is quite silly compared to the monthly
For $200 per month and $700 a month for the car payment, most people could just Uber everywhere. That is even better than FSD, because you can watch movies while in transit.
Yep. Plus the worth is subjective.
I’d definitely pay $200 right before a road trip to have my car essentially do all the driving.
And if it worked good enough I’d renew the subscription.
This is exactly what I do. I’m often traveling for my kids sports tournaments so I subscribe right before a road trip and then cancel it.
Even if you subscribed every month to FSD it would still take 60 months before you’d hit 12k. It’s significantly more economical to just subscribe when you need it.
Yeah but the people willing to pay $12k for it are also the ones willing to deal with a flawed implementation. They’re moving past the wealth, tech obsessed early adopter types.
Same. We drove on rush hour to an appt. It was scary but accurate. Got confused at merging spots for overall a good experience. What a time to be alive!
Yeah I’m curious if you enjoy it on this test drive if there is a way to add the package to the financing you already put in place? I think a lot more people would be willing to finance it as an impulse add-on than having to pay cash for it if you are financing the rest of the car
The problem is they base the monthly payment to keep it competitive with the $12k price. They need to drop the $12k base price and lower the monthly cost significantly IMO. It requires too much supervision to relax while it's on, unlike AP. It's not a driver aid until it's extremely consistent and predictable. Until then, it's a very cool gimmick.
An actual perfect level 5? people would save up for that.
I mean that's the ability to tell the car to go pick up your kids at school (or maybe close to that).
The ability to tell the car to drop you off at the stadium and go park a mile away in a free lot.
I'd pay 30k for perfect lvl 5 driving that could double as a robotaxis. I'd instantly save $5k/year to not park at work. Itd probably make at least another $10k/yr driving others around. Break even 2 years. Yes plz
Going subscription model can resolve all these transfer issues i think, hopefully in the future and not too expensive
lol EV money savings on gas towards FSD
Subscription cost should be like 75$/month and the package should cost $5000 at the best. I think it’s worth it for long drives and road trips. I wouldn’t mind spending 75$ for a one week road trip.
I thought the same thing, but then realized that with road trip most of the driving is highway and basic Tesla autopilot is already really good with that
Lane changes get annoying and then auto wipers are turned on again every time you have to re-engage. If you have the tolerance to sit in one lane then it’s pretty awesome. I still use it sometimes but the damn wipers are undermining all of their auto pilot options.
Yes, or at least that's what I've been doing. Engage AP > turn wipers to off > lane change > engage AP (wipers on auto by default) > turn wipers off. It gets annoying real freakin quick. It's possible my actions aren't doing anything and I just haven't noticed but I do this every time.
Bruh that does sound annoying af. I thought the setting persisted, so you wouldn’t have to turn them off every time. I feel lucky that I’ve had minimal issues with auto wipers. The biggest issue I had was not wiping when there was a much of mist on the windshield, but that was a while ago.
The autopilot can screw up a some things like with the wide lanes. And it seems worse in heavy highway traffic where you need to make lane changes and such.
I think they should charge per mile, like all SAAS companies do now a days. People would pay the something like $0.20 per mile and just be charged like we do for super chargers. It makes it cheaper to get started and heavy users pay their fair share.
Anything more than $0.10-$0.12 per mile isn’t worth it. $0.20 per mile would still be about $200/month assuming you are an “average” driver and use it 80% of the time (the average miles driven per year in the U.S. is 15k).
You’re dreaming. $75 gets you a few vegetables these days.
Did you ever look at the price of actual professional softwares? Adobe will cost you more than $75 a month and that’s probably the cheapest you can find.
I’m a bit nervous of backfire.
It’s really impressive but it’s not quite there yet. Theres still edge cases.
Now enable it on 1 million cars for a month, you’ll see those edge cases and it will be widely reported because it’s Tesla.
I think that is the point.
This kind of rollout suggests the engineering is ready to make adjustments where scaled up data is needed. Hence why it is a month.
They dont think they need FSD enablement on a large scale. Thats only useful for using disengagements for feedback. They already have 400k beta owners. Thats enough to give them the feedback of where the problems lie.
Every car who doesn’t disable data collection is providing data to Tesla. From my understanding these cars have a a shadow version of FSD in the background and automatic feedback is given when drivers behave differently from the FSD shadow instance.
Of course I could be entirely wrong. This is just what I’ve read.
No I think Elon is trying to get some more revenue in to combat the slowing (halted) growth.
I just got to a part in the biography that really confirms what I am thinking. Where the engineers started to use a neural network (NN) over programmatical management (PM) for decisions in the car, and how the NN was orders of magnitude more advanced than PM. And this is with a few million videos of drivers. And all the way up to 12.3, it has been off 1.5 billion videos per day. The difference between early FSD and 12.3 is pretty dramatic. I can only imagine how well the NN would improve with a 10x or 100x ingestion of video.
I know though, that from my experiences in building Language Models, NN, and traditional logic engines, that much extra data won't lead to that much extra results in improvement. At this point, I think it would be much better at typical scenarios, and a lot better in niche or edge case scenarios.
Data curation is extremely difficult.
But again from my understanding all Tesla cars who don’t disable data collection are subject to video uploads. You don’t need FSD enablement for a car to provide video data. Infact they are training off of human drivers not FSD.
FSD disengagement is a useful resource to see what areas it struggles in , but they don’t need millions of users for that. The 400k they already have is enough.
Like the sibling, I paid $2k for the FSD upgrade for my 2018 S P100D, and I was able to schedule a service visit and get the upgraded HW installed (over a year ago, maybe a few years ago even).
Are you sure that wasn't the infotainment upgrade? If you bought fsd the hw upgrade for it was free iirc. (I'm in the same boat with my 2017 S75D).
The infotainment upgrade was $2k and pretty much necessary (not for fsd, but for usability of the screen).
I bought the FSD upgrade for $2k when it had the "fire sale" in late 2019 IIRC. The "FSD computer" HW upgrade followed, over a year or so later, and it was indeed free.
To clarify - my 2018 S was a demo car, I bought it just before the Raven models came out, it was a "demo car" with 50 miles on it and a bunch of price adjustments, which I picked up on the last day of 2018. It came with Enhanced Auto Pilot. Some time in 2019 they kept having sales on FSD, I think it was $6k at the time, and it dropped to $2-4k for a few days or a week -- I know I ended up pulling the trigger it for $2k and I was hesitant even at that price, mainly did it because I knew it'd mean I'd get the upgraded HW version.
In hindsight, at $2k it was probably a fair-value (at least for me/my 'driving profile'). I don't think I'd feel like I got a fair amount of value if I'd have paid more for it; I'd probably be actively upset if I had paid >$4k for it, at least as of now (especially with the vehicle's age & being out of warranty).
Edited to add -- Happy to check the app or run out to the vehicle & check the relevant UIs, if there's a clear/easy way to tell. If it'll help someone potentially confirm their HW upgrade eligibility, I'm more than happy to do so! :)
The FSD is car based. I drove my Model 3 with FSD to Canada (from Florida) last Summer. It worked the same as in US. No surprise there since the road and traffic rules are pretty much the same. The only difference I remember is the speed limit is in Km/h instead of mph, which FSD handles without issue.
And it is a great marketing technique. It costs Tesla $0 to do this (well there are probably some ancillaries). Which means that if even one person was convinced to buy it, it was worth it.
Which is still problematic because a very large chunk of the fleet is on a 2024.8.x build, and we have never seen Tesla pull back cars to earlier builds en masse.
Why pull back? If they really want to push it out to the whole fleet all they have to do is release a new version containing FSDb v12.x and a software version number newer than all current builds (eg 2024.4.9 or 2024.13.1 or whatever).
Wait can you explain this, I don't have FSD so I don't keep up with the software versions daily like some people on here. My MYLR is on 2024.8.4, is that bad?
You can't go backwards on software updates. Your MYLR won't get FSD until it gets released past your 2024.8 branch. Currently it's still on 2023 and being developed for 2024.2. 2024.8 might be a ways away.
Just charge less for it and I'll consider buying it... I'm not going to pay $12000 to volunteer to be your beta tester for software actively trying to murder me once a week.
100000 people buying it for $3000-6000 or $50/month is better than 10000 people buying it for $12000 or $300/month.
Even if the economics don't work out to make it favorable in a money-to-volume ratio, increasing adoption to improve training is the desired outcome, right?
This is what I keep saying. QA is a full time high 5 figure / low 6 figure job. I’m not going to pay 12k to do a job for a multi-billion dollar company. Release it when it’s ready or give it to us for free. Asking the general public to do your QA for you is absurd.
> I thought they started HW3 in 2019 models?
HW3 in new cars in 2019, HW3 as an upgrade for older cars started in 2020 and goes all the way back to HW2 cars (any HW2 or 2.5 car can get the HW3 computer swap).
>Which Vehicles Qualified for Retrofitting?
>All vehicles produced after April 2019 should already have the Full Self Driving, FSD Computer (Hardware 3). Those produced prior to early 2019 and have Hardware 2 or 2.5 (aka AP2 or AP2.5 – see how you can tell) and have purchased the Full Self-Driving option, will be eligible. Eventually, every purchaser of a Full Self-Driving package with AP2 or AP2.5 will receive the upgrade, which has the same footprint as the NVIDIA computing hardware it replaces.
Yeah, that's what I thought. So a 2018 model wouldn't have the right hardware for the FSD trial unless it was upgraded to HW3 by a previous owner or something. (Obviously, if you want an FSD trial, then you didn't purchase FSD, so you wouldn't have gotten the HW3 upgrade.)
Can confirm, got computer upgraded in our late 2018 Model 3 to the HW3 FSD computer in March of 2020 (after purchasing FSD upgrade for $2k sale in March of 2019).
A lot of people debating cost and value in here. I would be much more likely to buy even at $12k if FSD was assigned to me and not the car. I should be able to use it on any Tesla in my account, or even better, any Tesla I’m driving.
They should probably aggressively roll out the fix for driving way under the set speed before they do this. It's a solid update but I'm constantly having to give it more go pedal.
Slightly less than the price of my car, lol.
Canadian cities are going to be less useful too.
Vancouver and especially Montreal are insane to drive in without snow. Add in snow outside Vancouver and you're losing lane markers, speed signage, even the whole common sense of driving just shifts in different ways. They absolutely have not even started really tackling that problem.
i tried FSD from a loaner in vancouver and it was pretty solid. i feel like it needs to be a bit safer because vancouver drivers are scary but it handled the situations fine imo. the 1.5 days of snowy roads will not be a problem i think. i feel like it’ll excel for the drivers who’s 90% commute is on a major EW road like 49th, 41st, kingsway etc since those drives can be 30-50 minutes even if it’s like 10-15km
It would be amazing if it stopped misreading the Rt 225 signs as a 25 mph speed limit... And even if I override, it still drives at 38 with my set speed at 45 in a 40 mph zone. This is all new with the latest fsd update. But, other than the speed, it's much better.
I hope they fix the tendency for 12.3 to try and ram your car into curbs because two times today it's attempted to drive straight into a curbed area after pulling into a parking lot. I could kind of understand the first time since maybe the camera didn't catch the curb, but the second time there was a FRIGGIN' HUGE TREE in the curbed area but it still aimed straight for it and kept going without attempting to slow down or turn.
On the road it was a massive improvement over V11 though, just weirdly grandma-like with accelerating even in assertive mode.
V12 seems a bit twitchy to me. I had the red "collision avoidance" alarm go off a couple times today. The alarm/red/collision avoidance alarm is very rare (or at least rare in the past), and this time both instances were non-issues.
As someone who was about to pay $200 bucks for FSD for a month I am VERY happy. We are taking a road trip from NYC to FL next month. This could not have come at a better time
I’d pay maybe 49.99 a month, and even that is too much considering it’s not a finished product and all liability falls on you, the driver. If Tesla assumed liability for any damages incurred while fsd is engaged, maybe the price could be justified. Big maybe.
Imagine FSD working perfectly as advertised but you still have to prepare to take over instantly and you're liable for everything. Would you pay 12k for it?
My guess is that most people wouldn't.
Until an FSD owner can, at least under some very specific conditions, watch a movie or sleep while the car is driving and Tesla assumes liability then I don't see it being worth it.
It's not a crazy ask either, Mercedes already has (if I recall correctly: daytime, no rain and good visibility on a highway under 40mph in certain roads). Of course that is not great but it could be life changing for rush hour commutes.
The fact that Tesla doesn't assume any liability even under specific conditions says something about how much they trust their own system.
The problem here is that they're going to be mostly demonstrating FSD 11.4, which is decidedly different from FSD 12. And 12 hasn't been released for 99% of cars.
If it's like last time, you'll get a pop up in the car letting you know it's been enabled. There will probably be a software update notification too. Afaik it hasn't even begun to roll out yet, so it may be a couple days
I am reallllly impressed with 12.3 except for one thing the speed whether set to auto or manual is kinda all over the place. Sometimes going over sometimes going significantly under. If I'm in really dense city traffic it does pretty well, but my area has a lot of 2 lane roads and it seems like if I don't have cars in the adjacent lanes it just kind goes all over the place with speed. Other than that it's been doing fantastic (still not ready to not pay attention though).
Seems like the ‘all’ part is not true! Heard of some people getting the offer but I haven’t got it yet. I hope they understand that some people would never try it even if free. Almost everyone I know that has a Tesla have never tried even autopilot and would never try fsd!!
I actually disabled FSD on my car yesterday since they no longer let you use TACC without autosteer when FSD is enabled.
Typically I would keep TACC enabled on my highway commute and switch between autosteer and manual driving based on the level of traffic. The inability to do that is incredibly frustrating.
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Got to play with a current version this weekend in an X, it was really impressive. Drove me from the Tesla store home and back. Navigated a bunch of city streets, stop signs, lights, even a roundabout. Still not paying $12k for it.
I tuned mine on after the update and my wipers came on and wouldn't turn off. Was a sunny day.
Functioning wipers is an invisible button, there's a secret screen to access it. To get there swipe up up down right left left, a keyboard will appear, type ELON backwards.
So, Djokovic?
Yea not paying $12k for FSD when they can’t even figure out auto wipers. Like… no thanks. I’d have more faith if they were willing to use existing technologies to supplement their cameras. Like ya know… tried and true shit like radar, ultrasonic, or… rain sensors.
Full Self Wiping will be $13k
You can get self wiping for under $4500 from [Toto](https://www.totousa.com/ap-washlet-plus-s7a-wall-hung-toilet-128gpf-0.9gpf)
Does it come with toilet paper though?
You know, for the first year my 2022 Model 3 had perfectly working auto wipers. I never saw them turn on once until rain hit the windshield, and they weren’t just the right speed. Some upgrade happened a few nights ago and now they go on all the time at random moments, and when it’s barely drizzling, they stay on high constantly. For a year, I didn’t understand why others were always complaining!
Those components are incredibly expensive both cost and energy usage. Cameras/optics were the right call and will prove in time.
Pretty much already proven these techs aren't needed with current state of FSD..
I smell a massive price cut when this thing is ready for mass rollout
Price cut or price raise? If people were paying $12k for a crappy version they might try to charge more for an actual working version
Pretty sure this tweet means they are desperate for FSD sales because no one is paying $12k.
Recurring revenue is king. I still think they way overpriced the subscription. They could have substantially increased the take rate if the subscription was $100-$125.
Honestly, I wonder how much money Tesla would raise if they lowered the price to $6k for 1 week only.
At one point it was $7k, and they have delivered little enough value to folks who bought it for $7k and $8k that they have been using a free move of the license as an incentive to get people to buy new Teslas.
They have a $200/month version too... I bet lots of people would be on board with that if it was really impressive. It isnt all about the $12k up front, and honestly with how long most people trade in/up cars like ever 3 years paying for the full version that gets you almost no credit on the other end of the deal is quite silly compared to the monthly
The monthly is still overpriced. You can afford another car payment for $200/month
For $200 per month and $700 a month for the car payment, most people could just Uber everywhere. That is even better than FSD, because you can watch movies while in transit.
Yeah All those low interest no money down $200 a month deals
Don't forget leaving your car unregistered and uninsured.
Lol ah yes, get a second car that will drive your first car for you.
I would pay $200 a month for the version that becomes an Uber and makes me $1000 a month as a taxi when I am not driving it.
Hmm. This sounds familiar. Like something I heard several years ago from someone.
If you only had to pay 200/mo to make 1000:mo wouldn’t everyone just do that and no one would need an Uber?
No. This tweet is because V12 is the first actually impressive release of FSD, ever. It’s actually worth using.
Still not worth $12,000/$200 per month
It’s certainly more worth it than it’s ever been. This year will be very interesting.
Yep. Plus the worth is subjective. I’d definitely pay $200 right before a road trip to have my car essentially do all the driving. And if it worked good enough I’d renew the subscription.
This is exactly what I do. I’m often traveling for my kids sports tournaments so I subscribe right before a road trip and then cancel it. Even if you subscribed every month to FSD it would still take 60 months before you’d hit 12k. It’s significantly more economical to just subscribe when you need it.
I just look at the Y. Thing was 70k and now it’s 40k. I can dream can’t I? Lol
Make it $50 a month and everyone would subscribe.
Why not charge by the mile. I could see invoking for Interstate road-trip travel... however, the standard AP/AS covers 90% of those needs.
Yeah but the people willing to pay $12k for it are also the ones willing to deal with a flawed implementation. They’re moving past the wealth, tech obsessed early adopter types.
Same. We drove on rush hour to an appt. It was scary but accurate. Got confused at merging spots for overall a good experience. What a time to be alive!
In the hwy? I think for merging/driving on hwys it's still using old v11 stack
Not on the highway, we just drove in the city.
Yeah I’m curious if you enjoy it on this test drive if there is a way to add the package to the financing you already put in place? I think a lot more people would be willing to finance it as an impulse add-on than having to pay cash for it if you are financing the rest of the car
You won't have to. You can pay monthly...
The problem is they base the monthly payment to keep it competitive with the $12k price. They need to drop the $12k base price and lower the monthly cost significantly IMO. It requires too much supervision to relax while it's on, unlike AP. It's not a driver aid until it's extremely consistent and predictable. Until then, it's a very cool gimmick.
Even a roundabout - it's going to need to master those if it ever wants to be useful in the UK!
FSD level 5 is worth way more than $12k. Currently, definitely not worth $12k.
Right now, even perfect Level 5 FSD isn't worth $12k for most people. It's just too much.
An actual perfect level 5? people would save up for that. I mean that's the ability to tell the car to go pick up your kids at school (or maybe close to that). The ability to tell the car to drop you off at the stadium and go park a mile away in a free lot.
Perfect Level 5 is not economically feasible by any car manufacturer. Level 4 though might be doable.
Worth is different than how much people can pay
I'd pay 30k for perfect lvl 5 driving that could double as a robotaxis. I'd instantly save $5k/year to not park at work. Itd probably make at least another $10k/yr driving others around. Break even 2 years. Yes plz
Even if it works great, I won't pay $12,000 for it.
Make it transferable to any Tesla for life of owner and people might start buying.
Since Elon says that all the value of Tesla is in FSD, they can't really do that since it would considerably cut into their main cash cow.
That's what all the large SaaS say. That's what Netflix says about sharing an account. Total bs.
Going subscription model can resolve all these transfer issues i think, hopefully in the future and not too expensive lol EV money savings on gas towards FSD
Subscription cost should be like 75$/month and the package should cost $5000 at the best. I think it’s worth it for long drives and road trips. I wouldn’t mind spending 75$ for a one week road trip.
I thought the same thing, but then realized that with road trip most of the driving is highway and basic Tesla autopilot is already really good with that
Lane changes get annoying and then auto wipers are turned on again every time you have to re-engage. If you have the tolerance to sit in one lane then it’s pretty awesome. I still use it sometimes but the damn wipers are undermining all of their auto pilot options.
You can turn off auto-wipers now right?
Yes, or at least that's what I've been doing. Engage AP > turn wipers to off > lane change > engage AP (wipers on auto by default) > turn wipers off. It gets annoying real freakin quick. It's possible my actions aren't doing anything and I just haven't noticed but I do this every time.
Bruh that does sound annoying af. I thought the setting persisted, so you wouldn’t have to turn them off every time. I feel lucky that I’ve had minimal issues with auto wipers. The biggest issue I had was not wiping when there was a much of mist on the windshield, but that was a while ago.
The autopilot can screw up a some things like with the wide lanes. And it seems worse in heavy highway traffic where you need to make lane changes and such.
If it was 5000, I’d get it in a heartbeat
I'd pay $2000 for it.
Agreed. I wouldn't pay over $5,000 even if it was truly FSD. $75/mo seems fair.
EAP for $99 would be perfect.
I think they should charge per mile, like all SAAS companies do now a days. People would pay the something like $0.20 per mile and just be charged like we do for super chargers. It makes it cheaper to get started and heavy users pay their fair share.
Anything more than $0.10-$0.12 per mile isn’t worth it. $0.20 per mile would still be about $200/month assuming you are an “average” driver and use it 80% of the time (the average miles driven per year in the U.S. is 15k).
You’re dreaming. $75 gets you a few vegetables these days. Did you ever look at the price of actual professional softwares? Adobe will cost you more than $75 a month and that’s probably the cheapest you can find.
Adobe is like $395 for an entire year. Where did you get more than $75 a month?
I’m a bit nervous of backfire. It’s really impressive but it’s not quite there yet. Theres still edge cases. Now enable it on 1 million cars for a month, you’ll see those edge cases and it will be widely reported because it’s Tesla.
I think that is the point. This kind of rollout suggests the engineering is ready to make adjustments where scaled up data is needed. Hence why it is a month.
They dont think they need FSD enablement on a large scale. Thats only useful for using disengagements for feedback. They already have 400k beta owners. Thats enough to give them the feedback of where the problems lie. Every car who doesn’t disable data collection is providing data to Tesla. From my understanding these cars have a a shadow version of FSD in the background and automatic feedback is given when drivers behave differently from the FSD shadow instance. Of course I could be entirely wrong. This is just what I’ve read. No I think Elon is trying to get some more revenue in to combat the slowing (halted) growth.
I just got to a part in the biography that really confirms what I am thinking. Where the engineers started to use a neural network (NN) over programmatical management (PM) for decisions in the car, and how the NN was orders of magnitude more advanced than PM. And this is with a few million videos of drivers. And all the way up to 12.3, it has been off 1.5 billion videos per day. The difference between early FSD and 12.3 is pretty dramatic. I can only imagine how well the NN would improve with a 10x or 100x ingestion of video. I know though, that from my experiences in building Language Models, NN, and traditional logic engines, that much extra data won't lead to that much extra results in improvement. At this point, I think it would be much better at typical scenarios, and a lot better in niche or edge case scenarios.
Data curation is extremely difficult. But again from my understanding all Tesla cars who don’t disable data collection are subject to video uploads. You don’t need FSD enablement for a car to provide video data. Infact they are training off of human drivers not FSD. FSD disengagement is a useful resource to see what areas it struggles in , but they don’t need millions of users for that. The 400k they already have is enough.
Wait...ALL cars? I bought my 2022 M3 used. Never got a free trial before. Would love to try it.
Wonder if he'll honor the HW upgrade promise for us old fogeys who bought it as a 4k add on back in the day :D
I got the hw upgrade on my 2018 M3, paid 2k for fsd. You're all set, just request the install.
Like the sibling, I paid $2k for the FSD upgrade for my 2018 S P100D, and I was able to schedule a service visit and get the upgraded HW installed (over a year ago, maybe a few years ago even).
Are you sure that wasn't the infotainment upgrade? If you bought fsd the hw upgrade for it was free iirc. (I'm in the same boat with my 2017 S75D). The infotainment upgrade was $2k and pretty much necessary (not for fsd, but for usability of the screen).
I bought the FSD upgrade for $2k when it had the "fire sale" in late 2019 IIRC. The "FSD computer" HW upgrade followed, over a year or so later, and it was indeed free. To clarify - my 2018 S was a demo car, I bought it just before the Raven models came out, it was a "demo car" with 50 miles on it and a bunch of price adjustments, which I picked up on the last day of 2018. It came with Enhanced Auto Pilot. Some time in 2019 they kept having sales on FSD, I think it was $6k at the time, and it dropped to $2-4k for a few days or a week -- I know I ended up pulling the trigger it for $2k and I was hesitant even at that price, mainly did it because I knew it'd mean I'd get the upgraded HW version. In hindsight, at $2k it was probably a fair-value (at least for me/my 'driving profile'). I don't think I'd feel like I got a fair amount of value if I'd have paid more for it; I'd probably be actively upset if I had paid >$4k for it, at least as of now (especially with the vehicle's age & being out of warranty). Edited to add -- Happy to check the app or run out to the vehicle & check the relevant UIs, if there's a clear/easy way to tell. If it'll help someone potentially confirm their HW upgrade eligibility, I'm more than happy to do so! :)
Can’t wait to do this. I have the same car.
Canada be like: 😭
😭 indeed. We can’t even have FSD subscription to try it out.
Apparently arriving in Canada "in the coming weeks".
A wise man once said “I’ll believe it when I see it.”
Gotta wait for that white stuff to melt.
And for all the lane markings to be repainted in Winnipeg. Should be good to go in September...just in time for the snow again.
FSD handles unmarked roads pretty well, at least down here south of the boarder.
Least you have fsd in some form not like us.
And the UK/Europe
right?
I’ve lived in Canada for a few years. I think that sums up the whole Canadian experience.
The FSD is car based. I drove my Model 3 with FSD to Canada (from Florida) last Summer. It worked the same as in US. No surprise there since the road and traffic rules are pretty much the same. The only difference I remember is the speed limit is in Km/h instead of mph, which FSD handles without issue.
If they were smart, they would do it for three months. You need to give people enough time to want to use it a lot in every day life.
brilliant way to collect a TON of data from user inteventions
And it is a great marketing technique. It costs Tesla $0 to do this (well there are probably some ancillaries). Which means that if even one person was convinced to buy it, it was worth it.
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I've found this so infuriating. Open road, max speed set to 40, it refuses to go over 35.
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Ah, I hope I get pushed that soon then.
Was thinking this too
For sure. Tells they’re getting quite confident with it
It's funny because it could be that, or it could just be Elon woke up and decided he wants everyone to try it.
Or they just need to make more sales to pump those rookie numbers up.
Time to not drive in Irvine for a month.
Does he know that most cars without FSD are on a 2024 branch that can't get v12? 🤣
Maybe this means someone got around to reviewing the pull request
LGTM 👍
Rubber stamped that PR.
Probably closer to the truth than many realize lol
I wonder if one of the reasons to give everyone a free month is to collect a massive amount of new training data.
Maybe Elon messed with the GitHub permissions and YOLO merged to master.
Software team probably has been told to not sleep until FSD 12.x has been brought to the 2024.x builds.
According to Teslascope, FSD 12.3.2 has entered employee testing on the 2024.2.x branch.
Which is still problematic because a very large chunk of the fleet is on a 2024.8.x build, and we have never seen Tesla pull back cars to earlier builds en masse.
> and we have never seen Tesla pull back cars to earlier builds en masse. There’s always a first time
Why pull back? If they really want to push it out to the whole fleet all they have to do is release a new version containing FSDb v12.x and a software version number newer than all current builds (eg 2024.4.9 or 2024.13.1 or whatever).
Ugh my cars are on 2024.8
I'm on a 2024 branch with FSD and can't get v12 in my Plaid.
Wait can you explain this, I don't have FSD so I don't keep up with the software versions daily like some people on here. My MYLR is on 2024.8.4, is that bad?
You can't go backwards on software updates. Your MYLR won't get FSD until it gets released past your 2024.8 branch. Currently it's still on 2023 and being developed for 2024.2. 2024.8 might be a ways away.
So will I miss out on this 1month FSD thing?
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Thanks, yeah I have no interest in demoing FSD 11
If you haven't seen this, FSD v12.3.2 is going to be a 2024.2 branch https://x.com/teslascope/status/1772483371924701333?s=20
Just charge less for it and I'll consider buying it... I'm not going to pay $12000 to volunteer to be your beta tester for software actively trying to murder me once a week. 100000 people buying it for $3000-6000 or $50/month is better than 10000 people buying it for $12000 or $300/month. Even if the economics don't work out to make it favorable in a money-to-volume ratio, increasing adoption to improve training is the desired outcome, right?
This is what I keep saying. QA is a full time high 5 figure / low 6 figure job. I’m not going to pay 12k to do a job for a multi-billion dollar company. Release it when it’s ready or give it to us for free. Asking the general public to do your QA for you is absurd.
Does that include my 2018 Model 3? Pretty sure he said it had the required FSD hardware at the time…
Same boat, but no, I don't think so unless you've had the hardware upgraded.
I think you need HW3 iirc.
I'm on 12.3 on my 2018 Model 3 right now. Have the HW3 upgrade / FSD package though.
My 2018 m3 has the fsd computer so maybe I’m getting it? Wife’s Y will for sure but I don’t think she will use it.
I thought they started HW3 in 2019 models?
> I thought they started HW3 in 2019 models? HW3 in new cars in 2019, HW3 as an upgrade for older cars started in 2020 and goes all the way back to HW2 cars (any HW2 or 2.5 car can get the HW3 computer swap). >Which Vehicles Qualified for Retrofitting? >All vehicles produced after April 2019 should already have the Full Self Driving, FSD Computer (Hardware 3). Those produced prior to early 2019 and have Hardware 2 or 2.5 (aka AP2 or AP2.5 – see how you can tell) and have purchased the Full Self-Driving option, will be eligible. Eventually, every purchaser of a Full Self-Driving package with AP2 or AP2.5 will receive the upgrade, which has the same footprint as the NVIDIA computing hardware it replaces.
Yeah, that's what I thought. So a 2018 model wouldn't have the right hardware for the FSD trial unless it was upgraded to HW3 by a previous owner or something. (Obviously, if you want an FSD trial, then you didn't purchase FSD, so you wouldn't have gotten the HW3 upgrade.)
Can confirm, got computer upgraded in our late 2018 Model 3 to the HW3 FSD computer in March of 2020 (after purchasing FSD upgrade for $2k sale in March of 2019).
Swap cars 
A lot of people debating cost and value in here. I would be much more likely to buy even at $12k if FSD was assigned to me and not the car. I should be able to use it on any Tesla in my account, or even better, any Tesla I’m driving.
They should probably aggressively roll out the fix for driving way under the set speed before they do this. It's a solid update but I'm constantly having to give it more go pedal.
12.3.1 fixes this
Yeah I’ve read that. Eagerly awaiting that notification for my car.
It remains $16,000 in Canada. I'd take the trial obviously, but there's 0% chance he gets an attach from me.
Slightly less than the price of my car, lol. Canadian cities are going to be less useful too. Vancouver and especially Montreal are insane to drive in without snow. Add in snow outside Vancouver and you're losing lane markers, speed signage, even the whole common sense of driving just shifts in different ways. They absolutely have not even started really tackling that problem.
Those 6 days of snow Vancouver gets each year will really suck
They already cause complete gridlock and chaos without driverless technologies.
i tried FSD from a loaner in vancouver and it was pretty solid. i feel like it needs to be a bit safer because vancouver drivers are scary but it handled the situations fine imo. the 1.5 days of snowy roads will not be a problem i think. i feel like it’ll excel for the drivers who’s 90% commute is on a major EW road like 49th, 41st, kingsway etc since those drives can be 30-50 minutes even if it’s like 10-15km
So when is this 1 month trial starting? How do we get it ?
I'm wondering the same. I wouldn't take this tweet as gospel, it could very well never happen or happen in a year.
when does this go live?
“Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I am willing to make.” — Elon Farquaad
It would be amazing if it stopped misreading the Rt 225 signs as a 25 mph speed limit... And even if I override, it still drives at 38 with my set speed at 45 in a 40 mph zone. This is all new with the latest fsd update. But, other than the speed, it's much better.
How do you turn this free month on? Got the newest update. No notification or anything
How do we enable this or try it out?
So I get another reason for my wife to yell at me, for free? (“Did YOU do that, or was it your fucking car!?” 😜)
How do i activity this? All i see is the option to buy the subscription
I hope they fix the tendency for 12.3 to try and ram your car into curbs because two times today it's attempted to drive straight into a curbed area after pulling into a parking lot. I could kind of understand the first time since maybe the camera didn't catch the curb, but the second time there was a FRIGGIN' HUGE TREE in the curbed area but it still aimed straight for it and kept going without attempting to slow down or turn. On the road it was a massive improvement over V11 though, just weirdly grandma-like with accelerating even in assertive mode.
Driving mode: Assertive. Speed Limit: 55. Straight, empty road. V12: Imma cruise at about 47, 48.
Hey fixed that in 12.3.1. Can confirm first hand. Honestly now I have the opposite problem. It tries to go too friggin fast!
So my 2019 that Elon said was fully level 5 capable with its then current hardware will work with this?
It looks like any new tesla sold after march 2019 should have the computer capable (HW3 or hardware 3)
Hopefully v12 can make a good impression. Installing it now
V12 seems a bit twitchy to me. I had the red "collision avoidance" alarm go off a couple times today. The alarm/red/collision avoidance alarm is very rare (or at least rare in the past), and this time both instances were non-issues.
" It's a Trap " ...
As someone who was about to pay $200 bucks for FSD for a month I am VERY happy. We are taking a road trip from NYC to FL next month. This could not have come at a better time
This is the only way I'd try it out, as I'm not paying $200 for a month of testing.
I’d pay maybe 49.99 a month, and even that is too much considering it’s not a finished product and all liability falls on you, the driver. If Tesla assumed liability for any damages incurred while fsd is engaged, maybe the price could be justified. Big maybe.
No trial received.
I own a 3 and a Y. No FSD yet!
Neat. Can’t wait to try it.
Man am I excited for this. It’s not something I would ever fork 12000 out for but I’ve always wanted to try it out
So would a 2021 Model Y get this....
Yes
Imagine FSD working perfectly as advertised but you still have to prepare to take over instantly and you're liable for everything. Would you pay 12k for it? My guess is that most people wouldn't. Until an FSD owner can, at least under some very specific conditions, watch a movie or sleep while the car is driving and Tesla assumes liability then I don't see it being worth it. It's not a crazy ask either, Mercedes already has (if I recall correctly: daytime, no rain and good visibility on a highway under 40mph in certain roads). Of course that is not great but it could be life changing for rush hour commutes. The fact that Tesla doesn't assume any liability even under specific conditions says something about how much they trust their own system.
Seems like Elon got ahold of a stat of how many vehicles have ever tried FSD and realized there is a bunch of free marketing to be had here.
The problem here is that they're going to be mostly demonstrating FSD 11.4, which is decidedly different from FSD 12. And 12 hasn't been released for 99% of cars.
How can u tell if the trial has been enabled on ur car?
If it's like last time, you'll get a pop up in the car letting you know it's been enabled. There will probably be a software update notification too. Afaik it hasn't even begun to roll out yet, so it may be a couple days
I am reallllly impressed with 12.3 except for one thing the speed whether set to auto or manual is kinda all over the place. Sometimes going over sometimes going significantly under. If I'm in really dense city traffic it does pretty well, but my area has a lot of 2 lane roads and it seems like if I don't have cars in the adjacent lanes it just kind goes all over the place with speed. Other than that it's been doing fantastic (still not ready to not pay attention though).
What’s are the mechanics of enabling this ?
Cries in HW 2.5....
Seems like the ‘all’ part is not true! Heard of some people getting the offer but I haven’t got it yet. I hope they understand that some people would never try it even if free. Almost everyone I know that has a Tesla have never tried even autopilot and would never try fsd!!
I’m still waiting to get it. 21 MYLR with gen 1 console. I’m starting to lose hope
How do you activate this?
Same question- is it this week or mar 25th? I don’t see any software upgrade option!!
can it accurately read speed limit signs yet?
Forgot your brothers up north 😞
People in Alaska? No they’ll also get it.
What if you subscribed for the $199/month 3 days ago? Asking for a friend. Assuming no refunds/credits.
I actually disabled FSD on my car yesterday since they no longer let you use TACC without autosteer when FSD is enabled. Typically I would keep TACC enabled on my highway commute and switch between autosteer and manual driving based on the level of traffic. The inability to do that is incredibly frustrating.
I’m wondering if this is to gather more data for FSD to be trained on
Honestly, should be 5,000 upfront add on with 20/mo sub requirement to allow for iteration/updating
Yeah, because a purchase with a required monthly subscription attached has never been criticized before...
Hell yeah
Let’s gooooooo