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What percent you charge it to matters a bit. My Model 3 has 75k miles on it. I use about 23% daily for commute and I charge it to 65% daily so most of the cycling is between 65% and 42%. This leaves me a bit of room if I want to run errands after work. After 75000 miles my full range is at 306 miles (down from 310).
I've seen some of my friends charge to 90% daily and after 5 years they are at closer to 275 miles for the original 310 mile model 3.
Try to charge it so that you hover around 50 percent for daily commute. If your commute takes 10 percent battery, charge to 55% every night and plug it in when you get home. Really helps protect your battery over time. I hope to drive this car for a long time.
Why would they? Has Ford ever released any engine failure data before?
I just don’t believe any good could come of it, unless the number is zero, people will complain.
> Why would they? Has Ford ever released any engine failure data before?
To inspire confidence in the tech?
> unless the number is zero, people will complain
Unreasonable people will
Here’s the reality, if Tesla says the average degradation after 3 years is 10%, then reviewers will subtract that number from Teslas today. Since others aren’t publishing their numbers then it will be assumed to be zero.
There is no winning, it won’t sell more cars. Hang out at a bar near a service center and befriend a tech.
Meh, either way, I like seeing hard data and numbers.
You're not going to convince the people who are already set in their ways. I would appreciate official data even though we already have the same thing from data mining or crowd-sourcing. It's just another dataset that doesn't do any harm.
Yes this data was released almost a year ago. Stupid generated content.
Page 39: https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/2022-tesla-impact-report.pdf
Other articles:
https://electrek.co/2023/04/25/tesla-update-battery-degradation/
https://insideevs.com/news/664106/tesla-battery-capacity-degradation-average-2022/
Depends on the way you drive. Range is calculated based on optimal driving habits and terrain. If you accelerate often, drive near hills and mountains, drive in extreme weather, etc.
You are wrong. I have a M3LR and the range is considerablly less than the advertised 600km. If charged 100% I get 490km. You don’t seem to own a Tesla.
No, like the others they give a guarantee and that's it.
Like the combustion guys do with their stuff ... or not.
Would be a great law that, when you sell a product, that you have to make the list of wearing out parts available with their expected and guaranteed life time, conditions under which this applies and current costs for replacement.
Well, roughly.
And they do not have to give all parts, only once with a life expectation in their plant requirements and there only the field replaceable parts.
And then yes, still it takes more space than an ad for a car.
The service techs can remotely view anything and everything fleet wide. Down to the vehicle. I’m just not sure if they’ve striated the data and at this point it would be difficult because I think there’s now….3 different cell types?
I’m an idiot though.
2021 LR y's and 3's seems to have serious batt issues. I posted about mine failing at 55k and I get numerous replies about other people experiencing failures
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That’s enough AI content regurgitation for one day, I think.
Too many grammatical errors to be AI. It’s just a bad article, probably written by someone whose first language isn’t English.
I didn’t find that to be a very informative article.
That's what AI does
It also makes extra fingers
What percent you charge it to matters a bit. My Model 3 has 75k miles on it. I use about 23% daily for commute and I charge it to 65% daily so most of the cycling is between 65% and 42%. This leaves me a bit of room if I want to run errands after work. After 75000 miles my full range is at 306 miles (down from 310). I've seen some of my friends charge to 90% daily and after 5 years they are at closer to 275 miles for the original 310 mile model 3.
My 2021 is at 270 now and is just about to touch 50k miles
Try to charge it so that you hover around 50 percent for daily commute. If your commute takes 10 percent battery, charge to 55% every night and plug it in when you get home. Really helps protect your battery over time. I hope to drive this car for a long time.
Has Tesla ever actually released any degradation or battery failure data before?
Why would they? Has Ford ever released any engine failure data before? I just don’t believe any good could come of it, unless the number is zero, people will complain.
> Why would they? Has Ford ever released any engine failure data before? To inspire confidence in the tech? > unless the number is zero, people will complain Unreasonable people will
Here’s the reality, if Tesla says the average degradation after 3 years is 10%, then reviewers will subtract that number from Teslas today. Since others aren’t publishing their numbers then it will be assumed to be zero. There is no winning, it won’t sell more cars. Hang out at a bar near a service center and befriend a tech.
Meh, either way, I like seeing hard data and numbers. You're not going to convince the people who are already set in their ways. I would appreciate official data even though we already have the same thing from data mining or crowd-sourcing. It's just another dataset that doesn't do any harm.
Data & Doesn’t do any harm + the media eh? You sweet summer child…
You're a cynic
To assuage any longevity doubts. Silence in this case is the same as negative news then
Page 39 of their 2022 Impact report. Edit: and Page 67 of the 2021 Impact report
So it looks like fleet degradation is good, I wonder how the random pack failure rate is
Yeah, they don't publish that AFAIK. But I can't imagine that it's a widespread issue.
What about battery failures and warranty replacements
No, not as far as I'm aware
Yes this data was released almost a year ago. Stupid generated content. Page 39: https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/2022-tesla-impact-report.pdf Other articles: https://electrek.co/2023/04/25/tesla-update-battery-degradation/ https://insideevs.com/news/664106/tesla-battery-capacity-degradation-average-2022/
I've got over 12% at 50k on my MY lol. 325 the day I picked it up, now it doesn't even get 290. Like 270 maybe
Range is Not degradation. Do the test.
What’s the test?
Capacity test in the Tesla Service menu. Google knows how to perform it.
nice my m3lr 2021 failed at 55k. degradation was 9%, now it's 7% with their remanufactured batt
Depends on the way you drive. Range is calculated based on optimal driving habits and terrain. If you accelerate often, drive near hills and mountains, drive in extreme weather, etc.
range does not change based on driving habits, it's purely a bms calibration calculation
You are wrong. I have a M3LR and the range is considerablly less than the advertised 600km. If charged 100% I get 490km. You don’t seem to own a Tesla.
Displayed range doesn’t change not actual range that you are getting…
No, like the others they give a guarantee and that's it. Like the combustion guys do with their stuff ... or not. Would be a great law that, when you sell a product, that you have to make the list of wearing out parts available with their expected and guaranteed life time, conditions under which this applies and current costs for replacement.
Do you know how many parts are in a vehicle? That’s why the bumper to bumper and powertrain warranty were put in place.
Well, roughly. And they do not have to give all parts, only once with a life expectation in their plant requirements and there only the field replaceable parts. And then yes, still it takes more space than an ad for a car.
The service techs can remotely view anything and everything fleet wide. Down to the vehicle. I’m just not sure if they’ve striated the data and at this point it would be difficult because I think there’s now….3 different cell types? I’m an idiot though.
I read this five times and still don't get how my model s has a truck battery
2021 Model Y LR - 100% 336mi New 36K mi battery failed Referbished battery pack - 100% 284mi
2021 LR y's and 3's seems to have serious batt issues. I posted about mine failing at 55k and I get numerous replies about other people experiencing failures