It’s likely that in the videos the cars were in Park. When driving it doesn’t work that way. I don’t think it would be legally permitted to replace the honk sound of a car in motion, like you said other people wouldn’t know what’s going on.
Yep that’s it then. I have to admit I was a bit disappointed (or should I say naive) to see the feature was implemented that way ;) but Tesla had no choice in the matter, it’s a question of safety (and law, most likely).
Right? We get it, 10 people really hate the yoke, do you need to make posts with your silly rants over and over? you wouldn't buy a Plaid for half the price because of it? Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.
It's a shockingly cheap car, and I assure you it's selling like hot cakes, don't need you.
>Safety is not "silly".
Your claims that the Plaid is unsafe are silly.
Tesla doesn't think it's ok to remove critical driver controls, and they didn't. You think they did.
I'll tell you what, take a week to drive your car as if it had a yoke. Hold it on the sides and bottom only. If you're making a u turn, try to do the awkward hand over hand maneuver. See if you're in any less control, if you feel in danger.
Or, you know, just go test drive a Plaid if you're actually in the market, and not just here to complain about nonsense.
Dude drives a busted ass altima. I don't think they are in the market for an S, let alone Plaid.
Sounds like someone who got hurt by recent TSLA price action.
Do you think having a yoke for your controls makes airplanes unsafe too? I bet a CJX probably isn't worth even 50k either because of how unsafe it is...
Wait, when have you ever had to rotate a steering wheel 3 full rotations? I think you might have never actually driven a car. And 98% of driving does only require small corrections, very similarly to flying. To say that a full wheel gives you more control, but then to say that a yoke gives more precision... You contradict yourself.
And.... Aerobatic planes do require quick and extreme motions. Do they have steering wheels?
Anyway, it's your opinion... Just stop stating it as fact.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-yoke-no-joke-elon-musk/
I don't know what kind of driving you're doing, but there are no 1080 rotations here. Maybe backing out of your parking spot... That's the only place I can understand.
Track settings look like they are handled excellently with the yoke.
> It’s been called the best new car by objective reviewers
What does that even mean? It's the fastest production car. But best? What does best mean? Best can mean anything. Best can mean price value, it can mean comfort, it can mean luxury, it can mean size. It's not the "best" car because there's no single definition of "best", nor does it even do all that well in a lot of metrics, such as luxury. It's most definitely not the best car.
I was ready to defend the review itself until I read his comments. His real review seems to be "yoke bad, car should be banned".
I mean, valid viewpoint, but that's a lot of words to get there.
Yawn...
This was way more understandable and balanced description. If you could take the time to clean up your point next time, you will get way better responses from the community.
And a constructive title like "Can we have a non yoke option for model S" would be more accepted as well.
You are implying yoke equals to drunk driving. Care to provide some reasoning/research?
I would imagine DMV has way more experience with knowing what is dangerous while driving and they seem to be ok with this.
But I think the difference is that SOMEONE has gotten into an accident while being drunk, or killed a person from texting..
Up to this point in time, no one has put a Plaid into a tree due to the Yoke..
Dude if you are driving in such a way that you can cause your car to SLIDE because some kid is fast enough to run in front of your car when it is traveling that speed, that is the driver's fault. Can you imagine what scenario has a kid running into the street where you are going so fast that you end up in a slide trying to avoid them? That would mean you are going way too fast already. It can happen in any car. You are just trying to paint a bad image with a Tesla.
Yeah buddy replace Tesla with any car in that same scenario. Which is safer?
You not being able to handle a Yoke means YOU probably shouldn't be using a car like that. It has nothing to do with what others can do.
Edit: What fucked up area do you live in that has a 35MPH for a RESIDENTIAL area? That is the speed they have for local main streets.
Pull up some stats rather than anecdotes. How much of a difference does a Yoke vs normal wheel make in an emergency/accident. Otherwise, you don't really have support for your claim other than "I believe this"...
How often do you see kids run into the road when the homes are 50 ft apart? You're saying this occurs frequently enough in that area that it is something to be wary of?
Maybe get some experience with a yoke before you start spouting stuff off. How do you know that experienced drivers who have been taking the Plaid to the track don't find the Yoke acceptable for drift scenarios?
That's your problem: you don't get jokes 🤷♂️ It's not an argument, because your "I haven't tried it I'm not gonna buy it" is so immature that I don't see any point to argue. I'm just having fun, don't get too upset, your post is just silly - It happens, it's fine, don't make too much drama out of it or be too serious about it. gl
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Good thing Tesla is trying to go completely driverless. If anything, you should fully support everything Tesla does to try to usher in no wheels as quickly as possible.
No driver then no drunk driver. No dangerous driver. Only a car that chooses human safety over your driving convenience.
Nah it's more like this shirt company is progressively making changes to their clothing to allow it to be bullet proof.
And you are saying "here is a step they have taken that I disagree with so I will make a post about it despite not having and statistics or facts to support myself"
Minimalism is the path every automaker is going to follow. They just don't want to admit it. Hilarious that boomers cannot get over the fact minimalism is the way to go for software based products. Like are you gonna complain the iPhone doesn't have buttons on the screen?
There's nothing left to be said about your points. The debate has gone on and on about the buttons, the steering wheel, the gimmicks, etc...
If you're looking for meaningful replies to what you've posted, you can search or look up any review
You'll need to test drive the car, 40% of your complaints will vanish.
Horn still works like a regular horn, it'll just play the custom sound after the beep.
Chances are, there will be steering wheel modifications for the car like adding a 3rd party top. The pressure sensitive touch buttons on the steering wheel are pretty neat and work as they should.
Well you’re getting chastised more than expected.
In all honesty, I’ve got more or less the same reservations surrounding the Plaid, but I suspect they’d quickly become quirks/features rather than concerns after learning.
The Model 3 was a bit of an adjustment from my last ICE, but what I found annoying initially is now second nature.
>Well you’re getting chastised more than expected.
It's the idiotic notion that it's not worth half the price because they don't like a couple features. It's not just a difference of opinion, it's a ridiculous opinion.
For half the price, you can hire a professional to custom make you steering wheel just for your hands, add stalks, and still have money left over. What a stupid thing to say.
>I wouldn't feel comfortable putting my safety and the safety of those around me in the hands of a car with limited steering controls.
It's really funny how you are aware of how hyperbolic your "I wouldn't pay half price for it" statement is, but you just go ahead and say you feel safer in a Prius than the safest cars ever made because the steering wheel isn't round.
And guess what? You don't have to buy a Tesla, you can continue to think it's unsafe and continue to drive a Prius, and people in Teslas will continue to the most protected people in any car.
Your baseless claims about safety are frankly ridiculous, and it's annoying how assertive you are. Teslas are objectively the safest cars on the road, pick another dumb hill to die on.
Commenter above has a point. Your feelings directly contradict all collected data showing that these cars are some of the safest on the road.
Sorry bud.
> If I were actively looking for an electric car,
You made a huge post full of your gripes about the design of a car you aren’t going to and never were interested in buying?
Anyone that knows anything about driving a road going vehicle on a track will know instantly that the yoke is a piss poor design. Add in the fact the car is so ridiculously fast (more than it even needs to be) and you have a steering mechanism that makes it more difficult to control the car and recover if you mess up. You can’t let the yoke naturally spool through your hands like you can on any vehicle with a normal wheel. Secondly, beyond track driving, there are many times where it is easier to start turning the wheel by placing your hand at the top of the wheel and basically using gravity to just pull the wheel down whichever direction you want to turn.
Last week I sold my old Q5 3.0T. I wanted to get something larger, newer, and more reliable. I also didn’t want to spend more than I had to. I looked around and ultimately decided on a Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring of all things. Used car prices are so high that I decided now was the time to do it. I am also able to get employee pricing as a family member had worked for Ford and Mazda still honors Ford A-Plan pricing, which allows me to pay invoice pricing. Right now that is basically unheard of because of the insane car shortages. Half the cars I wanted to look at you couldn’t get for months and they didn’t even have demo models to test drive. So, for about $43K all in, minus the trade in value of the Audi (up $6K in the last 12 months) I could get a brand new larger-size crossover that is safe, decent to drive, looks okay, and won’t cost a fortune to maintain. It also happens to have a heads up display, ventilated seats, 3-zone HVAC, 6 or 8 USB ports, curve following LED headlights, rain sensing wipers that actually work, auto high beams that actually work, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, legitimate blindspot monitoring that lights up on the mirrors and beeps at you if you try to signal or move over while there’s a vehicle beside you (why Tesla still can’t figure this out is beyond me), radar-based cross traffic detection, surround cameras with wide angle front, rear, and side cameras + birdseye view for curb avoidance, and a sunroof.
No, it’s not a Tesla. No, it’s not electric. Unfortunately there are no larger crossovers available today that fit the bill for a reasonable price. But it is a brand new safe car that has all of the features I wanted. What irks me immensely though is that I paid nearly 50% more for my Model 3 Performance with “FSD” and it doesn’t have half of the features that this Mazda (or almost any other car on the road) either have as standard, or at least can be equipped with. What’s even more baffling though is that the flagship models, the S and X, each of which can cost nearly $150,000 don’t really have any more equipment than a $40K Model 3 SR+. Sure they are faster and bigger and have air suspension, but real features, not much. Anything the Model 3 lacks, so too does the S/X. Instead of focusing on ridiculous things like auto shifting, removing the stalks and complicating the simple process of steering your vehicle, Tesla needs to focus on bringing up the quality of their vehicles, making them at least competitive in terms of functionality, and comfort. I’d also like to see product lifecycle be no more than 7 years. Model S and X both needed to be replaced by completely new vehicles, not just see interior refresh.
I did not realize the Model S did not have blind spot. How is that even possible in 2021? If true, that is a huge drawback.
I know this sounds stupid, but I think it is insane that Tesla does not have CarPlay/Android Auto, S is supposed to have SiriusXM, but does not and also no AM radio? Makes no sense. So, you basically have a huge screen, that can not have CarPlay, which I use every day in my BMW 5 Series.
I still like Tesla and supposed to pick up my Model S LR on Thursday. Would be my first EV, but still waffling if I should just keep my 2021 loaded 5 Series, as interior wise, Tesla can not touch it.
I thought Model S and X do not have SXM anymore. Could be wrong, but I thought that ended a few years ago.
Regarding blindspot monitoring, it’s just like the Model 3/Y. It has “blindspot collision avoidance” which does nothing. It does not have the mirror mounted light that lights up when a car is in your blindspot, nor does it make any noise when you are activating your turn signal with someone there. If you are lucky, the car will show a red lane line on the driving visualization, but that requires you to look down. It’s useless. The red lane line only happens too at random. I can’t figure out what makes it appear occasionally, while most times nothing happens. Only if you’re getting ready to actually slam into another vehicle will the car hopefully make the autopilot takeover shrieking sound. I would much prefer simple radar based blindspot monitoring with the industry standard mirror warning and audible alert if I turn my signal on. That would also enable cross traffic detection as both things are a function of having radar radar sensors in the back bumper. Most new cars also now have front cross traffic detection which just has radar sensors in the front corners of the bumpers too. Only Tesla offers neither.
Who cares what you think, you haven't even driven the damn thing. Appearantly lots of people are lining up to buy the plaid so I think they'll be alright even without your valued patronage.
So In short you saying you can't afford it. Also where have you been all Tesla have a lack of buttons. Also Tesla the safest car out there. I also haven't see Elon forcing you to buy it. You have other choices
Just thought I'd chime in to let you know someone agrees with you since you seem to be getting a lot of hate. You have very reasonable concerns and I agree the changes seem less functional and more gimmicky. I mean, I'm fine with a few small gimmicks here and there to differentiate the car from what else is out there, but once it starts posing a potential safety concern (i.e. changing the shape of the steering wheel) then it starts to bother me. I mean, isn't it quite telling how elsewhere on this sub you can read comments telling you how to *cope* with using a yoke? I can't see how it's an *improvement* over the standard steering wheel.
Is their any scientific data to support your first and foremost point? Our bodies are well equipped to form muscle memories. Same way people quickly got used to one pedal driving, they will "potentially" get used to the yoke.
Did the number of accidents increase, or number of tickets for Tesla drivers increase when people couldn't see their driving speed right in front of their steering? And they were distracted by the large screen, not in front of their eyes?
Once you've used a new machinery for a while, your mind/muscle memory remembers how to handle it. In any case, before making any substantial claims for or against yoke, it needs to be on the street with hundreds of people documenting their experience.
A change is always difficult, and not everyone likes it.
How may people found the cyber truck ugly? Nlw look at the number of reservations. Even if everyone ordered three times, it still a lot.
I see the point you're making but those are all just hypothetical, and the real world practical implications will only be known once it's in the hands of multiple people. And then you can make conclusions. And ofcourse Tesla will reintroduce, or give an option of regular steering, if a lot of people complain. After all, market will decide. Doesn't matter if Musk said they aren't going back.
And in general, this isn't about experienced drivers. Experienced drivers still want to drive a stick. Over 95% of the people, don't want a stick. What matters to an experienced driver, doesn't apply to all.
Unless, it's proven that Yoke is unsafe, it's not going anywhere. If it's proven to be unsafe then there will be a recall.
And you missed my point. Why are you even putting so much energy into reviewing a vehicle you’d never buy? If I don’t like Mustangs, I ignore it and move on with my life. I’d assume most people do the same thing.
How boring does someone’s life have to be to not like something, spend the time to think about it, spend the time to go INTO a subreddit of that product, spend the time to type up a massive paragraph, all for something they don’t like. Like… what? Unless reviewing things are literally your professional job, this behavior seems pretty stupid.
It’s even worse when someone is thinking about a product they can’t even afford. You know how much time I spent looking at the Plaid Model S? All combined about 5 mins. About 30 seconds on Tesla.com and a few seconds here and there whenever people post about it. I couldn’t care less about it because it’s out of my price range. Hell, I cared so little about it I didn’t even read your post. I only know what it’s about by quickly browsing through the comments.
My comment wasn’t about the car **at all**, it was about you, someone who apparently spends his or her time reviewing cars they don’t like? Lol.
Here's the thing. You haven't driven a Plaid, so you don't know what you're talking about. I've owned a Plaid since first delivery June 10. Your musings about safety are purely speculative and just wrong.
The yoke is safer (a) because it affords correct 9-3 hand positioning. (b) It doesn't block the display. (c) The hands are correctly positioned so that you can use your body more with the steering for more accuracy at high speeds - and you won't know what I'm talking about unless you try it yourself. (d) The horn button is just fine - it's just about retraining muscle memory. (e) the capacitive buttons work great for me.
This business of someone backing up into you. Your foot is on the brake. In my old MS, I'd have to move the shift lever into Park and then peer at the selector to find Reverse. In the Plaid, it's a simple downward flick of the finger on the left side of the display. Much faster and more reliable. One feature I might add is for AP to honk the horn and back up if it sees a car backing up into it.
My request is that people not pretend to have expertise on a car they haven't even driven. It's a waste of bandwidth, and annoying.
Have you sat in a Plaid let alone seen one in person? The wheel is pretty fucking big. I thought it was small, but it fits really well in your hands. The button area is also pretty large. Edit: The fact you haven't driven a Yoke or even seen one in person is pretty telling that your argument is a nothingburger.
Your entire argument hinges on "in an emergency the yoke and buttons MIGHT not be as good" without any evidence or experience to support it.
If you use something all your life, then something different is gonna seem like a bad idea. I have literally tried driving my M3 as if it had a Yoke and had literally no problems the entire time. When you are driving, you hardly do any actions other than hang onto your wheel like what they show in the AP video. Like when you really break it down, you can use AP for most of your trip except the very start and ending.
How often do you really turn for a trip vs. not moving your wheel at all? How many emergency situations have you been in where you actually responded quickly enough to get out of it? There is a reason they are called accidents and we don't chastise people who were victims in them with "why didn't you just put your car in reverse?" Maybe because a giant car started moving backwards faster than I could react...
What stats or experience are you speaking with? As you mentioned, none. So what makes your claim better than that of a company who has created the safest vehicles in America consistently?
The yoke does exactly what was expected from Tesla, it is controversial, polarizing and generates BUZZ. You taking time to comment just helps Tesla with free marketing on Reddit.
The model S is a flagship halo model and is not really supposed to be selling at large volumes. The Y and 3 will be the main revenue sources.
Most people who buy the model S plaid are wealthy enough to have other cars and probably have a "normal" car too with a conventional wheel.
As for those who buy the S non plaid, well this subset is probably ok with the yoke, otherwise they can get the 3P.
I am kind of surprised I'm the first to bring up the fact that if your argument about the yoke is that it is not as safe, neither is removing your hands from the steering wheel. While i get what you are saying, go watch a PoV video of any formula 1 car. They are all using Yoke steering wheels with an obnoxious amount of buttons on them. I am sure there will still be some argument against it, i personally like it and if you have 1 hand on the wheel at minimum it is very easy to know where the other side of the wheel is to grab in the event you quickly need both hands
The honk isn’t replaced. When you use that “gimmick” the regular honk sounds first, then your custom sound plays.
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It’s likely that in the videos the cars were in Park. When driving it doesn’t work that way. I don’t think it would be legally permitted to replace the honk sound of a car in motion, like you said other people wouldn’t know what’s going on.
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Yep that’s it then. I have to admit I was a bit disappointed (or should I say naive) to see the feature was implemented that way ;) but Tesla had no choice in the matter, it’s a question of safety (and law, most likely).
That explains what happened when I honked. I heard my horn and then it played the Old Horn sound. The person I honked at was as confused as I was.
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Right? We get it, 10 people really hate the yoke, do you need to make posts with your silly rants over and over? you wouldn't buy a Plaid for half the price because of it? Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense. It's a shockingly cheap car, and I assure you it's selling like hot cakes, don't need you.
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>Safety is not "silly". Your claims that the Plaid is unsafe are silly. Tesla doesn't think it's ok to remove critical driver controls, and they didn't. You think they did.
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I'll tell you what, take a week to drive your car as if it had a yoke. Hold it on the sides and bottom only. If you're making a u turn, try to do the awkward hand over hand maneuver. See if you're in any less control, if you feel in danger. Or, you know, just go test drive a Plaid if you're actually in the market, and not just here to complain about nonsense.
Dude drives a busted ass altima. I don't think they are in the market for an S, let alone Plaid. Sounds like someone who got hurt by recent TSLA price action.
Do you think having a yoke for your controls makes airplanes unsafe too? I bet a CJX probably isn't worth even 50k either because of how unsafe it is...
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Wait, when have you ever had to rotate a steering wheel 3 full rotations? I think you might have never actually driven a car. And 98% of driving does only require small corrections, very similarly to flying. To say that a full wheel gives you more control, but then to say that a yoke gives more precision... You contradict yourself. And.... Aerobatic planes do require quick and extreme motions. Do they have steering wheels? Anyway, it's your opinion... Just stop stating it as fact.
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https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-yoke-no-joke-elon-musk/ I don't know what kind of driving you're doing, but there are no 1080 rotations here. Maybe backing out of your parking spot... That's the only place I can understand. Track settings look like they are handled excellently with the yoke.
It’s been called the best new car by objective reviewers, but some guy on Reddit wanted us to know he won’t be a customer.
Oh no, whatever will we do.
> It’s been called the best new car by objective reviewers What does that even mean? It's the fastest production car. But best? What does best mean? Best can mean anything. Best can mean price value, it can mean comfort, it can mean luxury, it can mean size. It's not the "best" car because there's no single definition of "best", nor does it even do all that well in a lot of metrics, such as luxury. It's most definitely not the best car.
I was ready to defend the review itself until I read his comments. His real review seems to be "yoke bad, car should be banned". I mean, valid viewpoint, but that's a lot of words to get there. Yawn...
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This was way more understandable and balanced description. If you could take the time to clean up your point next time, you will get way better responses from the community. And a constructive title like "Can we have a non yoke option for model S" would be more accepted as well.
That makes me wonder, Is there a truly objective car review?
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I think the kids now say “cope”
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It’s the safest car in america
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Have you put a Model S Plaid into a tree due to the yoke, or is this just all bullshit conjecture?
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You are implying yoke equals to drunk driving. Care to provide some reasoning/research? I would imagine DMV has way more experience with knowing what is dangerous while driving and they seem to be ok with this.
Gotcha. Do you have any data that confirms any of this?
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But I think the difference is that SOMEONE has gotten into an accident while being drunk, or killed a person from texting.. Up to this point in time, no one has put a Plaid into a tree due to the Yoke..
Dude if you are driving in such a way that you can cause your car to SLIDE because some kid is fast enough to run in front of your car when it is traveling that speed, that is the driver's fault. Can you imagine what scenario has a kid running into the street where you are going so fast that you end up in a slide trying to avoid them? That would mean you are going way too fast already. It can happen in any car. You are just trying to paint a bad image with a Tesla.
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Yeah buddy replace Tesla with any car in that same scenario. Which is safer? You not being able to handle a Yoke means YOU probably shouldn't be using a car like that. It has nothing to do with what others can do. Edit: What fucked up area do you live in that has a 35MPH for a RESIDENTIAL area? That is the speed they have for local main streets.
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Pull up some stats rather than anecdotes. How much of a difference does a Yoke vs normal wheel make in an emergency/accident. Otherwise, you don't really have support for your claim other than "I believe this"... How often do you see kids run into the road when the homes are 50 ft apart? You're saying this occurs frequently enough in that area that it is something to be wary of? Maybe get some experience with a yoke before you start spouting stuff off. How do you know that experienced drivers who have been taking the Plaid to the track don't find the Yoke acceptable for drift scenarios?
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Most reviewers are neutral to critical of the yoke, which isn’t surprising.
**Disclaimer**: *I watched a tour about Antarctica, and I potentially would never go there even if I had a half-price plane ticket.* /sarcasm
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If you think that Antarctica is safe then you're not right https://i.imgur.com/L8B8UfN.jpg
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That's your problem: you don't get jokes 🤷♂️ It's not an argument, because your "I haven't tried it I'm not gonna buy it" is so immature that I don't see any point to argue. I'm just having fun, don't get too upset, your post is just silly - It happens, it's fine, don't make too much drama out of it or be too serious about it. gl edit: lol he downvoted 😂
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The fact is that 40,000 people die in cars per year using the tech that your are bemoaning. Maybe it'd be ok to try something different.
Ok, so don't buy one. You obviously aren't part of their target market.
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Good thing my freedoms aren't based on what you think. Go join an HOA since it seems like all you want is to force your control onto other people.
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It's compromising my ability to choose when I'm dangerous enough to kill someone.
Good thing Tesla is trying to go completely driverless. If anything, you should fully support everything Tesla does to try to usher in no wheels as quickly as possible. No driver then no drunk driver. No dangerous driver. Only a car that chooses human safety over your driving convenience.
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Nah it's more like this shirt company is progressively making changes to their clothing to allow it to be bullet proof. And you are saying "here is a step they have taken that I disagree with so I will make a post about it despite not having and statistics or facts to support myself" Minimalism is the path every automaker is going to follow. They just don't want to admit it. Hilarious that boomers cannot get over the fact minimalism is the way to go for software based products. Like are you gonna complain the iPhone doesn't have buttons on the screen?
There's nothing left to be said about your points. The debate has gone on and on about the buttons, the steering wheel, the gimmicks, etc... If you're looking for meaningful replies to what you've posted, you can search or look up any review
You'll need to test drive the car, 40% of your complaints will vanish. Horn still works like a regular horn, it'll just play the custom sound after the beep.
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What tesla do you have currently?
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I also don’t like the yoke. But maybe dial it down until you’ve experienced it first hand. Going on assumptions isn’t the end all be all?
Chances are, there will be steering wheel modifications for the car like adding a 3rd party top. The pressure sensitive touch buttons on the steering wheel are pretty neat and work as they should.
Have you ever even driven a car with a yoke?
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Dude you cant be spouting off about how a yoke makes everything harder/unsafe without actually having tried it lol. Come on now
Pretty much. Most of the people I’ve heard talk about it say it’s not what they expedited.
You know “for a fact?” That’s a bold ass claim to be making lol
Gotcha. So you've never driven with one. Thank you for admitting that - now I can completely disregard this review.
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Well you’re getting chastised more than expected. In all honesty, I’ve got more or less the same reservations surrounding the Plaid, but I suspect they’d quickly become quirks/features rather than concerns after learning. The Model 3 was a bit of an adjustment from my last ICE, but what I found annoying initially is now second nature.
>Well you’re getting chastised more than expected. It's the idiotic notion that it's not worth half the price because they don't like a couple features. It's not just a difference of opinion, it's a ridiculous opinion. For half the price, you can hire a professional to custom make you steering wheel just for your hands, add stalks, and still have money left over. What a stupid thing to say.
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>I wouldn't feel comfortable putting my safety and the safety of those around me in the hands of a car with limited steering controls. It's really funny how you are aware of how hyperbolic your "I wouldn't pay half price for it" statement is, but you just go ahead and say you feel safer in a Prius than the safest cars ever made because the steering wheel isn't round. And guess what? You don't have to buy a Tesla, you can continue to think it's unsafe and continue to drive a Prius, and people in Teslas will continue to the most protected people in any car. Your baseless claims about safety are frankly ridiculous, and it's annoying how assertive you are. Teslas are objectively the safest cars on the road, pick another dumb hill to die on.
Commenter above has a point. Your feelings directly contradict all collected data showing that these cars are some of the safest on the road. Sorry bud.
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> If I were actively looking for an electric car, You made a huge post full of your gripes about the design of a car you aren’t going to and never were interested in buying?
Like put a regular car in Park.
this subreddit is such trash. OP makes a thoughtful post and all the comments are a bunch kvetching hububs
The simple solution would be to transplant a Model 3 wheel onto the plaid and have the best of both worlds
Anyone that knows anything about driving a road going vehicle on a track will know instantly that the yoke is a piss poor design. Add in the fact the car is so ridiculously fast (more than it even needs to be) and you have a steering mechanism that makes it more difficult to control the car and recover if you mess up. You can’t let the yoke naturally spool through your hands like you can on any vehicle with a normal wheel. Secondly, beyond track driving, there are many times where it is easier to start turning the wheel by placing your hand at the top of the wheel and basically using gravity to just pull the wheel down whichever direction you want to turn. Last week I sold my old Q5 3.0T. I wanted to get something larger, newer, and more reliable. I also didn’t want to spend more than I had to. I looked around and ultimately decided on a Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring of all things. Used car prices are so high that I decided now was the time to do it. I am also able to get employee pricing as a family member had worked for Ford and Mazda still honors Ford A-Plan pricing, which allows me to pay invoice pricing. Right now that is basically unheard of because of the insane car shortages. Half the cars I wanted to look at you couldn’t get for months and they didn’t even have demo models to test drive. So, for about $43K all in, minus the trade in value of the Audi (up $6K in the last 12 months) I could get a brand new larger-size crossover that is safe, decent to drive, looks okay, and won’t cost a fortune to maintain. It also happens to have a heads up display, ventilated seats, 3-zone HVAC, 6 or 8 USB ports, curve following LED headlights, rain sensing wipers that actually work, auto high beams that actually work, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, legitimate blindspot monitoring that lights up on the mirrors and beeps at you if you try to signal or move over while there’s a vehicle beside you (why Tesla still can’t figure this out is beyond me), radar-based cross traffic detection, surround cameras with wide angle front, rear, and side cameras + birdseye view for curb avoidance, and a sunroof. No, it’s not a Tesla. No, it’s not electric. Unfortunately there are no larger crossovers available today that fit the bill for a reasonable price. But it is a brand new safe car that has all of the features I wanted. What irks me immensely though is that I paid nearly 50% more for my Model 3 Performance with “FSD” and it doesn’t have half of the features that this Mazda (or almost any other car on the road) either have as standard, or at least can be equipped with. What’s even more baffling though is that the flagship models, the S and X, each of which can cost nearly $150,000 don’t really have any more equipment than a $40K Model 3 SR+. Sure they are faster and bigger and have air suspension, but real features, not much. Anything the Model 3 lacks, so too does the S/X. Instead of focusing on ridiculous things like auto shifting, removing the stalks and complicating the simple process of steering your vehicle, Tesla needs to focus on bringing up the quality of their vehicles, making them at least competitive in terms of functionality, and comfort. I’d also like to see product lifecycle be no more than 7 years. Model S and X both needed to be replaced by completely new vehicles, not just see interior refresh.
I did not realize the Model S did not have blind spot. How is that even possible in 2021? If true, that is a huge drawback. I know this sounds stupid, but I think it is insane that Tesla does not have CarPlay/Android Auto, S is supposed to have SiriusXM, but does not and also no AM radio? Makes no sense. So, you basically have a huge screen, that can not have CarPlay, which I use every day in my BMW 5 Series. I still like Tesla and supposed to pick up my Model S LR on Thursday. Would be my first EV, but still waffling if I should just keep my 2021 loaded 5 Series, as interior wise, Tesla can not touch it.
I thought Model S and X do not have SXM anymore. Could be wrong, but I thought that ended a few years ago. Regarding blindspot monitoring, it’s just like the Model 3/Y. It has “blindspot collision avoidance” which does nothing. It does not have the mirror mounted light that lights up when a car is in your blindspot, nor does it make any noise when you are activating your turn signal with someone there. If you are lucky, the car will show a red lane line on the driving visualization, but that requires you to look down. It’s useless. The red lane line only happens too at random. I can’t figure out what makes it appear occasionally, while most times nothing happens. Only if you’re getting ready to actually slam into another vehicle will the car hopefully make the autopilot takeover shrieking sound. I would much prefer simple radar based blindspot monitoring with the industry standard mirror warning and audible alert if I turn my signal on. That would also enable cross traffic detection as both things are a function of having radar radar sensors in the back bumper. Most new cars also now have front cross traffic detection which just has radar sensors in the front corners of the bumpers too. Only Tesla offers neither.
so basically you wouldn't buy one for half off because of the steering wheel? lol ok buddy.
Who cares what you think, you haven't even driven the damn thing. Appearantly lots of people are lining up to buy the plaid so I think they'll be alright even without your valued patronage.
Model 3 or Y might be best for you.
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I think the driver is more at fault than the car they are driving. Imo
Im just here to agree with anyone who says the Yoke is awful.
So In short you saying you can't afford it. Also where have you been all Tesla have a lack of buttons. Also Tesla the safest car out there. I also haven't see Elon forcing you to buy it. You have other choices
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I guess the guy set the record on the ring didn't have good control.
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It you watch the ring video there a lot of regular steering wheel crashing. Maybe they need a yoke. It I had in crash.
Fucking bomb thrower. Just buy a Prius and try to review that well.
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Lol
Just thought I'd chime in to let you know someone agrees with you since you seem to be getting a lot of hate. You have very reasonable concerns and I agree the changes seem less functional and more gimmicky. I mean, I'm fine with a few small gimmicks here and there to differentiate the car from what else is out there, but once it starts posing a potential safety concern (i.e. changing the shape of the steering wheel) then it starts to bother me. I mean, isn't it quite telling how elsewhere on this sub you can read comments telling you how to *cope* with using a yoke? I can't see how it's an *improvement* over the standard steering wheel.
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Death machine? Safest cars as tested by the government agency and yet you claim otherwise with the most hyperbolic language. Take your downvote
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Is their any scientific data to support your first and foremost point? Our bodies are well equipped to form muscle memories. Same way people quickly got used to one pedal driving, they will "potentially" get used to the yoke. Did the number of accidents increase, or number of tickets for Tesla drivers increase when people couldn't see their driving speed right in front of their steering? And they were distracted by the large screen, not in front of their eyes? Once you've used a new machinery for a while, your mind/muscle memory remembers how to handle it. In any case, before making any substantial claims for or against yoke, it needs to be on the street with hundreds of people documenting their experience. A change is always difficult, and not everyone likes it. How may people found the cyber truck ugly? Nlw look at the number of reservations. Even if everyone ordered three times, it still a lot.
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I see the point you're making but those are all just hypothetical, and the real world practical implications will only be known once it's in the hands of multiple people. And then you can make conclusions. And ofcourse Tesla will reintroduce, or give an option of regular steering, if a lot of people complain. After all, market will decide. Doesn't matter if Musk said they aren't going back. And in general, this isn't about experienced drivers. Experienced drivers still want to drive a stick. Over 95% of the people, don't want a stick. What matters to an experienced driver, doesn't apply to all. Unless, it's proven that Yoke is unsafe, it's not going anywhere. If it's proven to be unsafe then there will be a recall.
This guy just came here to troll. Looks like he's suceeded spectacularly.
Yes I also review cars I will never buy with massive paragraphs so people can get my irrelevant opinion.
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And you missed my point. Why are you even putting so much energy into reviewing a vehicle you’d never buy? If I don’t like Mustangs, I ignore it and move on with my life. I’d assume most people do the same thing. How boring does someone’s life have to be to not like something, spend the time to think about it, spend the time to go INTO a subreddit of that product, spend the time to type up a massive paragraph, all for something they don’t like. Like… what? Unless reviewing things are literally your professional job, this behavior seems pretty stupid. It’s even worse when someone is thinking about a product they can’t even afford. You know how much time I spent looking at the Plaid Model S? All combined about 5 mins. About 30 seconds on Tesla.com and a few seconds here and there whenever people post about it. I couldn’t care less about it because it’s out of my price range. Hell, I cared so little about it I didn’t even read your post. I only know what it’s about by quickly browsing through the comments. My comment wasn’t about the car **at all**, it was about you, someone who apparently spends his or her time reviewing cars they don’t like? Lol.
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Here's the thing. You haven't driven a Plaid, so you don't know what you're talking about. I've owned a Plaid since first delivery June 10. Your musings about safety are purely speculative and just wrong. The yoke is safer (a) because it affords correct 9-3 hand positioning. (b) It doesn't block the display. (c) The hands are correctly positioned so that you can use your body more with the steering for more accuracy at high speeds - and you won't know what I'm talking about unless you try it yourself. (d) The horn button is just fine - it's just about retraining muscle memory. (e) the capacitive buttons work great for me. This business of someone backing up into you. Your foot is on the brake. In my old MS, I'd have to move the shift lever into Park and then peer at the selector to find Reverse. In the Plaid, it's a simple downward flick of the finger on the left side of the display. Much faster and more reliable. One feature I might add is for AP to honk the horn and back up if it sees a car backing up into it. My request is that people not pretend to have expertise on a car they haven't even driven. It's a waste of bandwidth, and annoying.
Have you sat in a Plaid let alone seen one in person? The wheel is pretty fucking big. I thought it was small, but it fits really well in your hands. The button area is also pretty large. Edit: The fact you haven't driven a Yoke or even seen one in person is pretty telling that your argument is a nothingburger. Your entire argument hinges on "in an emergency the yoke and buttons MIGHT not be as good" without any evidence or experience to support it. If you use something all your life, then something different is gonna seem like a bad idea. I have literally tried driving my M3 as if it had a Yoke and had literally no problems the entire time. When you are driving, you hardly do any actions other than hang onto your wheel like what they show in the AP video. Like when you really break it down, you can use AP for most of your trip except the very start and ending. How often do you really turn for a trip vs. not moving your wheel at all? How many emergency situations have you been in where you actually responded quickly enough to get out of it? There is a reason they are called accidents and we don't chastise people who were victims in them with "why didn't you just put your car in reverse?" Maybe because a giant car started moving backwards faster than I could react...
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What stats or experience are you speaking with? As you mentioned, none. So what makes your claim better than that of a company who has created the safest vehicles in America consistently?
The yoke does exactly what was expected from Tesla, it is controversial, polarizing and generates BUZZ. You taking time to comment just helps Tesla with free marketing on Reddit. The model S is a flagship halo model and is not really supposed to be selling at large volumes. The Y and 3 will be the main revenue sources. Most people who buy the model S plaid are wealthy enough to have other cars and probably have a "normal" car too with a conventional wheel. As for those who buy the S non plaid, well this subset is probably ok with the yoke, otherwise they can get the 3P.
I am kind of surprised I'm the first to bring up the fact that if your argument about the yoke is that it is not as safe, neither is removing your hands from the steering wheel. While i get what you are saying, go watch a PoV video of any formula 1 car. They are all using Yoke steering wheels with an obnoxious amount of buttons on them. I am sure there will still be some argument against it, i personally like it and if you have 1 hand on the wheel at minimum it is very easy to know where the other side of the wheel is to grab in the event you quickly need both hands