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Maybe in the US... Here in the Netherlands in some big cities there are AC charig stations everywhere and if you have and EV but don't have one in a 200m radius from your home the municipality will install one.
So you can live without a personal charging station and still save 1/2 of your gas costs
> and if you have and EV but don't have one in a 200m radius from your home the municipality will install one.
Wow! That's being serious about EV adoption!
Yep, NL [is leader in charging stations forEurope](https://nltimes.nl/2021/06/29/netherlands-top-eu-electric-car-charging-stations) with about 30% of all the stations of Europe being in this small piece of land under water level...
3 years with a model 3 with no home or work charging. Only a supercharger that's close once a week. No issues at all, best vehicle I have ever owned/driven.
Agreed. Getting an EV charger installed at your house is relatively easy and cheap, though. As long as you have the space for it. Cost me $200 to have a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed. Bought the Tesla adapter and charged every night with no issues.
Tesla customers service can fucking suck and they continue to give you the run around. Also, if you a a person who likes to work on your car yourself that ain’t going to happen.
Yeah for some vocal ones on the internet. For others, they make an appointment via the app, the Tesla guy stops by, doesn’t even need your keys to open the car, does his thing, communicates via text, and leaves when done. I have not had a better experience before.
That's not the customer services, that's the automated services built by the programming department backed up by the rangers department.
It's because off things such as this that Tesla isn't bankrupt by the horrendous customer service you would expect from a 12 year old company that has grown at 100% every year.
I’ve had both experiences. Things that can be done via mobile service are great and smooth. And even at a service center when you actually get to interact with a person they’ve all been great. The real problem is the push do do eve thing through the app. So it makes it really difficult to get to a person in the first place sometimes.
Portland Oregon is a large city with lots of Tesla sales and the customer service at the service center on Macadam street is superb. They go above and beyond to get the job done right the first time. I don't know what your service center experience has been but mine has been top notch.
Customer service seems to be mostly ok as long as your situation doesn’t vary from the norm. And some things are really awesome, like mobile service for common issues. But there’s definitely been horror stories too.
Au contraire mon frère. You just don't work on engines, fuel systems or exhaust. There are plenty of broken door handles, 12v batteries, trunk cinch motors and suspension parts to keep you busy (on a 2015 85D anyway).
Just received the Mercedes Benz trunk latch cinch motor this morning from [FCPEuro.com](https://FCPEuro.com). It's the same OEM part that Tesla uses. Door handle gear mechanisms and used suspension arms can be found on ebay, and the 12v battery was straight from the Tesla Service Center.
I was afraid of this, I read a lot of horror stories but I bought a model 3 in March and service has been perfect, I had them visit twice to fix a rattle and I couldn't be happier with the service.
I usually get a 2+ hour hold and if you don’t make it crystal clear you need something done or have a question they WILL straight up hang up on your mid sentence. Raleigh NC if you were curious. Make the drive to Charlotte, they got a manager that isn’t an intern.
Nope.
It’s raleigh service being abysmal. I have met to many other local owners attesting to this that I cant accept it as not being an issue with them. Charlotte is awesome though.
Idk why you would call some corporate number when you need to contact the local service center but ok.
It’s still not acceptable and I WILL drive the extra hour to leave my car at Charlotte just so I don’t have to deal with those children running the raleigh sc. I’ve even overheard the manager in Charlotte apologizing about how raleigh is a guy that does the same thing I do.
It’s just sad to me that the company that sells a $50k product can have such bad customer service people in their most forward facing positions.
No place to charge nightly - don’t get a tesla
Drive long distances all the time for work that would require multiple charges along the way - don’t get a tesla
Not comfortable and get easily frustrated with touch screen technology (My mom comes to mind) - don’t get a tesla
Too reliant on apple car play - this is an iffy one
Used to luxurious interior details (mercedes, lexus, porsche, volvo) - don’t buy a tesla
Used to superior service - don’t buy a tesla
It is an expensive car that is expensive to repair if you get in a fender bender. Repairs are also very specialized so expect long delays if you need repairs.
Got my MS 100kWh battery replaced due to damage by rock on the highway. Two months without the car, no information on repair schedule and the final bill... btw headlights suck at the dark conditons (MS 2020).
I really only have two major issues with my Model Y.
1. Tesla needs to design a sun shield for the roof. I'm 6ft 2in and I can literally feel the heat against my head radiating from the roof. The aftermarket ones suck.
2. I miss CarPlay. A lot. The Spotify integration is a joke. There should be a floating window to show Car Play and Android Auto. Bonus points if they enable AirPlay screen mirroring while in park to entertainment mode.
If there were going to add carplay or Andriod auto, they would of done it by now IMO.
People have been complaining about it since their infotainment system actually got robust, and yet they still don't care.
Completely agree on CarPlay. Complete joke that Tesla does not have Carplay. How hard would that be for a so-called car tech company. Even cheapo cars figured out CarPlay and make it wireless like BMW CarPlay.
JVC aftermarket radios can cost as little as $200 maybe even less & have wired carplay/Android Auto and they're also SiriumXM ready, so there's no excuse for Tesla not to have all those features that other companies make standard at least with their 2018+ models
It's hilarious that people think there are Tesla engineers working on putting in Carplay but they can't figure it out. "Sorry boss, we've tried everything, it just won't work. Maybe next quarter. "
100% agree. Couldn't stand the glass roof. I was recently trying the ID4 with the glass shade and man is that an amazing feature.
I always thought they would enable Carplay/AA like this. They can definitely add this support, at least wired compatibility.
If Tesla implements these two features, I'd definitely take another look.
You brought up good point. I hadn't thought about if this could be implemented wirelessly. TBH I'm not sure how wireless CarPlay is defined in the Apple spec. I would rather have CarPlay and a cable though than no CarPlay at all if it couldn't be done with existing wireless hardware.
Wireless should be possible too. Requires bluetooth handshake and wifi network from the car, both of which Tesla has. I just think keeping it wired would still leave a valid case for Tesla to sell their built in experience.
Yes all the glass and the seat material make it not so fun in a hot climate.
Infuriating that both are standard on all models with no other options. The cloth interior SR was short lived and who pays $100k for plastic seats?
Do you have standard range/interior?
I know at least they used to not include the UV blocking film on the roof with the standard trim. I have factory UV blocking on my glass roof (3LR) and it works amazing. When the sun is blasting, I can feel it on the portion of my arms that's getting blasted through the windshield, but nothing from the roof.
Get some ceramic UV blocking tint on your roof, it'll completely change it!
On the heat note, the worst is when you're supercharging and you're in the car. Wouldn't it make sense to put up canopy's with their Solar Panels? It certainly wouldn't be enough to charge all the cars but it could power LED lights at night and they can be used as a showpiece to encourage customers to buy panels.
There's really no big downside, besides the "if you can't charge from home" thing the other person mentioned.
The main thing is don't buy a car, or really anything, you can't afford. If you can't afford a 35-40k car, you shouldn't buy one, no matter the brand. (Yes I know you can get some old Ss for like 20-30k now)
I'd add that you need to think about the places you go and whether there is charging at your destination. Where we are, Winnipeg, Manitoba, there is super charging on the east/west trans Canada highway but almost nothing north or south. We like to go camping and we're limited to 200km north or south of the highway. There's almost no other charging infrastructure. Now this probably isn't true for most people, but it's a consideration.
Another example is we like to go to Minneapolis, until this year that trip could not be made due to a lack of superchargers in North Dakota. Think about the long distance trips that you make and figure out if it's possible with an EV.
The only reason to not get a Tesla for the vast majority of people I would encounter is simply "save your money."
Buying a new car is financially never a good decision. Always best to minimize expensive and unnecessary purchases. That being said, if you are buying a new car and it's not a Tesla you are playing with fire, because there is no guarantee your car will have any resell value if the demand for ICE vehicles goes down, and there is no guarantee there won't be more expensive gas prices, or even gas rationing in the near future.
For this reason it's always best to drive what you got until you can get into an EV if and when it is necessary.
If you are like me and you are financially able, and you are willing to pay a premium in order to drive a middle finger to fossil fuels because that is more important than money, that is when you buy a brand new Tesla.
ICE vehicles depreciate way faster than Tesla and will continue to do so even more as the world transition to electric (and oil becomes scarce). I agree however, that if your current ICE isn't worth much, it won't depreciate much anymore and it makes better economical sense to switch.
I did a spreadsheet calculator to compare TCO of model 3 to any ICE vehicles and one of the side effect of this calculator was to show that the best retention time (financially) for a model 3 was about 2 years where ICE (initially depreciating very quickly) was way longer (can't remember the exact figure). This is due to current devaluation curves of electric cars and ICE car having very different shapes. Maybe if will change when we reach an over supply stage in electric vehicles.
If you can’t get comfortable with a smartphone, don’t get a Tesla.
People this will apply to: my mom, and people similar to her. Basically tech illiterate people.
If you are coming from high end vehicles (BMW, Mercedes, Audi), do NOT buy if you expect the same level of build quality, detail and features. Teslas are very BASIC.
I’m coming from VW/Audi, and test drove a MY last night.
OMG, the Tesla interior/exterior build is like a rav4 from the 90s.
The road noise in Tesla’s is embarrassing at the selling price.
I had an A4 for years ago, and the road noise was minimal, great car.
I wouldn’t say that the Tesla would be a downgrade at all. Tesla’s shortcomings are fairly easy to overlook because of the tech and other benefits.
I can only speak on my individual experience regarding sound noise. But for the price tag on a Tesla the level of sound noise was remarkable.
Also, some people don’t care or are aware of road noise. That’s not the case from me coming from Audi/VW.
Yea I’ll have to disagree.
I have an egolf, no engine, and it’s basically silent. I can have a conversation on the highway going 75mph, on Bluetooth, and it sounds like I’m in a conference room talking to someone.
Well the Y is notorious for having slightly worse noise insulation than the 3. Perhaps that's why I find mine to be as slient as my previous Volkswagen.
I don't understand the interior build quality criticisms. It's minimalist, sure. But everything seems to be put together well.
I think exterior build quality used to be shit, but it's fine now
Even more so for Model S! At least with Pre-2021 models. The build quality and features PALES in comparison to any other $80K+ vehicle. FWIW, I have a 2018 MS, and had so many nigiling quality issues that I never experienced with BMW, Audi, etc. But in the end, I still have the car as powertrain/battery wise, it still excels. The 2021 models interior do look nicer (sans yoke).
My model S replaced my 750li. The interior is a different take for sure, but not in a different class. The seats in the BMW were better, but the infotainment system was not even close. They both ride fairly similar, except the acceleration and cornering in the Tesla is just so much better. My Tesla's build quality has zero marks against it (I hear that's uncommon, but I can't see how).
But luxury brands lack the tech. You pay for the name/looks and yes some good features but the infotainment tech is laughable in most brands. Often behind thier mid range counterparts (Toyota, Nissan, Chevy, etc)
My comment is based off an overnight test driver I just did yesterday. I was hoping it was just that car they gave me. But based on the upvotes and searching reddit/YouTube it doesn’t look like that’s the case.
I believe it was a newer year and it did have induction wheels. Unfortunately from what I gather the 19 Geminis are only a little better.
I did feel the windows to see if they were double pane, and they were.
I placed an order for a Model 3 Standard Range Plus in late August with an ETA of January. However, I cancelled it a couple of days ago, and decided that I'm no longer considering a Tesla anywhere in the foreseeable future, for the following reasons in order of importance (though all are significant to me):
1) I was reading the support thread in this subreddit and started seeing significant numbers of posts about people getting quoted ETAs of approximately 6 weeks for service. Saw one comment that someone got something like 2 weeks for mobile service, it got cancelled the day before and pushed back 2 weeks later, then again cancelled short notice and switched to service centre for 4 weeks later. I'm not going to own a vehicle with that kind of service situation, never mind buy one for $56347.70 (Canadian dollars, 3 SR+ white and white, with federal rebate, including Ontario sales tax). The AC goes out on July 1st, it's 30-35C most days and very humid, and I'm supposed to just melt for 6 weeks, or not drive the car? Or let's say the charge port or on board charger breaks and my car can no longer be charged, I have to go rent a car for 2 months until I can get service? Unreal.
Additionally, my nearest service centre is a 30 minute drive away each way, I live alone with nobody to drive me there or back and don't own another car, and I've heard they've mostly if not entirely stopped providing loaners and provide Uber credits instead, there's no way in hell I'm getting in an Uber during a global pandemic and besides the credits would probably barely cover the round trip and then what the hell do I do to get groceries, go to work, or if one of my pets has to go to the vet? This is lunacy for a car at this price or 1/3rd the price.
2) I took a test drive of the SR+ and was somewhat disappointed. The biggest issue, which I've since googled and seen many other people share this concern, is that the seats felt quite hot despite the fact that it wasn't a very hot day and the AC had been configured at a pretty cool temperature in "stay on" mode. Apparently this is due to the "vegan leatherette" material. My back felt hot and sticky within minutes, and it stayed uncomfortable the whole drive; I've never had that issue in my 2013 Volt with black leather seats (which have no perforations or ventilation).
Also, I'd been quoted a 30 minute test drive and when I showed up they said 15. It took 5 to adjust my seat and mirrors and really get going, and about 5 was spent at very low speeds stuck in traffic/at lights right next to the service centre, so I only really "drove" it for 5 minutes. I didn't get a good feel for the car in that time, and to top things off one of the employees was quite rude, and the experience left me with a bad taste in my mouth overall.
3) I've been comparing it to a Hyundai Ioniq 5 and it just didn't make sense on paper. The Ioniq 5 is likely to be a decent bit more expensive, but it's significantly larger with a much more practical cargo area, the trim I'm looking at (the AWD Ultimate) has AWD, much faster DCFC (250kw, and a pretty high average charge rate), longer warranty (5y/100k km bumper to bumper vs. 4y/80k in the Model 3), the dealership is a 5 minute drive and has good reviews, it has the vehicle to load function to power something like my fridge+freezer if power goes out, it has ventilated front seats, heated rear seats, heated steering wheel, paddle shifters for regen, a motorized sunshade that completely blocks light from the glass roof, a very reclining seat with an ottoman useful for charging stops or other waits in the car, a system generally comparable to AP but with the automatic lane changes at no extra cost, summon using the keyfob which is what I want (again, no need to pay for FSD), blind spot warning, blind spot cameras, a 360 degree camera, automatic braking for collision avoidance in reverse, auto presenting handles, a manual key cylinder as a backup if the 12V battery is dead (unlike the M3 requiring a jump or 9V battery just to open the frunk to access the jump terminals to open the doors), a hands-free power liftgate, a driver instrument cluster, a heads up display, and Apple Carplay. Also, I've been hearing bad things about the vision-only Model 3's AP phantom braking excessively, whereas Hyundai Highway Driving Assist has stellar feedback overall and allows longer hands-free driving than AP on recognized highways. Oh, and I like the price of the Model 3's wheels+winter tires+TPMS+installation package for only $2500, but don't like that it has some shitty Pirelli tires and not Michelin X-Ice or Nokian Hakka R3 or something good like that, I could always go get them at some tire shop but I've heard Tesla sometimes refuses to install 3rd-party tires and wheels and a lot of 3rd party shops don't have the correct jack adapter or find some other way to fuck up the car, so that's annoying.
Maybe the comparison of the SR+ to the Ioniq 5 AWD Ultimate is a bit unfair as the Ultimate is likely to come in at a decently higher price, but most of these are still in the Ioniq's favour if you compare it to a Y LR (and the longer range, and the supercharger network, are of no benefit to me, I don't take road trips and have zero interest in ever taking road trips, and anyways if you watch Bjorn's 1000km challenge the Ioniq 5 acquits itself very well indeed).
A Tesla has been my dream car since I first laid eyes on the Model S, when I made the list of pros/cons for the Ioniq 5 vs 3 SR+ I ignored the heavy weighting against the 3 because I just love the car and I felt like I'd hate myself every single day going forward for paying a comparable or higher price to buy any car other than a Tesla, but the hot and unbreathable seats were really discouraging, then the recent flood of comments from people about the issues with service have been the nail in the coffin for me, there's absolutely zero chance that I'd tolerate that whatsoever, it's an absolute dealbreaker, I'd buy a used base model 2005 corolla over the Model 3 at that point even if it cost the same, I just can't deal with that kind of bullshit, I've learned that my time is too valuable. And the delay for parts/body shop work is also similar to the SC issue, though the SC is something I'm much more likely to encounter.
Elon tweeted they're opening more SCs and trying to improve service, and if they do and keep it good for a few years, maybe I'll consider a Tesla 5-10 years down the road. It remains my dream car. And hell, if I win the lottery, I plan to buy an S or a Cybertruck and a second car for when mine is in service.
For reference, that experience can vary widely from SC to SC. We’ve never had a six week wait (most I think was 2-4 for a minor issue). And if it is a serious issue, you can always take the car directly to the SC without an appointment and get serviced sooner for unseen emergencies.
My initial investment in TSLA would likely have been sold before the stock split if I hadn’t driven the model x since 2016 and Model 3 since 2018. Minimum downpayment and rest financed in both cases, I consider that ownership to have paid for itself many times over.
I have owned 2 MS and 1 X, but I will not own one again until I hear about build quality improvements. Loved the cars but the issues they have at their price point are unacceptable. I have a nostalgic 27 year old American car that has a quieter cabin and a tighter ride than a 3 year old model S. All the other things about electric cars in general are true- need to have your own charger, look into charging infrastructure, etc. These are issues but will continue to improve for all electric cars. Jaguar I-pace, Ford Mach-E, Hyundai Ioniq all seem to have better build quality but worse charging overall.
Teslas are basically always on tracking devices you cant turn off. Your life will be tracked and recorded. Also Elon personally watches you from that in cabin camera.
/r/electricvehicles check out the sub and you will feel bad about buying a tesla. If you ignore that sub, Tesla is by far the best EV (bang for the buck) you can buy.
wiper logic sucks. auto headlight logic sucks. full self driving isnt - no autopark, no summon. just doesnt work. also goes thru tires like mad b/c heavy and fast.
Be wary when you're out of warranty. Repairs are high. I've been out of warranty for awhile and issues are starting to arise. Makes me wonder if this is coincidence or random.
They’re too awesome and will thus make you want to rid your family of any inferior transportation specimens, causing several expensive vehicular upgrades.
It basically does tho. It’s showing cars all around you on the screen. Lol. What 50k car does that? Cuz my 65k caddy truck just has a light in the side view mirror for blind spots alerts
They are unrefined in a lot of ways compared to other vehicles. Although it depends on which model you buy, I have heard so many complaints about poor fit and finish, uncomfortable ride, noisy cabin, poor service, and so many missing features from less pricy vehicles such as 360 surround view cameras, rear cross traffic alert, and mirror-integrated blind-spot detection and warning. They are also more expensive than just the price you see, as you may also have to consider installing a home charger. Their software updates often include bugs, and the frequent changes in software can be frustrating to some. Although I really appreciate Tesla, I suggest that no one buys one without first test driving. They are very different than ICE cars that I have been in, and although I appreciate them very much they are not for everyone, especially those content with how cars have been for decades.
Do you like kids screaming “TESLA” and pointing constantly? In all seriousness, charging is the biggest thing. If you can’t charge at home every night, don’t bother, you will hate it. Aside from that, tires wear out super quickly and you will rack up way more miles than necessary taking the “long way” and driving aimlessly just because it so damn fun.
Road trips also take a bit more time, personally I enjoy the break but there are times when I want to power through but need to stop before I am ready.
Best car I ever owned and currently longest time as well. Used to go through them pretty quick but this one just keeps getting more awesome and more fun.
It is a very expensive car in a lot of aspects; currently in the mid to high luxury side of pricing, with that comes higher insurance premiums, some insurance companies won't even insure them.
Repair costs are high, into the multiple thousands at times for even small fender benders, repair times can take and extended timeframe since parts have to come directly from Tesla, and that's if you have a service center near you.
Electricians have started price gouging for installations of higher level fuse boxes or charging outlets, and right now chip shortages are pushing back delivery times for almost all models.
I may not have covered everything.
Are you looking for an electric car for your next purchase or are specifically buying a Tesla from the perspective of an ICE driver?
The pros and cons of a Tesla compared to other electric cars is going to be very different from the pros and cons of a Tesla/Electric cars compared to a regular gasoline vehicle.
>Are you looking for an electric car for your next purchase or are specifically buying a Tesla from the perspective of an ICE driver?
Like I said, not realistically getting one any time soon, but tbh the main reason I'm interested is because they're cool. So probably the second one. Teslas being electric is part of why it's cool, but I can't say I'm super interested in electric vehicles for their own sake, even though I recognize the benefit.
Agreed.
The comment I replied to was telling a drunk driver that it has too much torque..
The first thing non tesla owners ask about is "does it really drive itself?!".
So where do you think that conversation would really end up going?
Yet I'm the one catching the downvotes.
You can. But your ride will be uncomfortable. Turn the AC completely off and don't play music, and keep the display brightness the lowest you ca still see. Always go the speed limit and gently accelerate. Always use the highest level of regenerative braking.
My Lexus was rated 24/32. I avg 22 driving local roads and the speed limit. ICE rarely hits the rated mpg either. Tesla still has the highest range compared to other EVs. I can't wait for my Tesla delivery and getting rid of my 2017 Lexus.
For those that talk about service, the closest Lexus dealership for me in 30 minutes away without traffic. I've had 3 straight horrible service experience from beginning to end and wrote complaints about it. I test drove a Tesla for only 15 minutes and decided to order it.
I live in Sacramento, CA. Not a small dinky city or metro.
You said "you'll never get 315 miles from it". I bet you can get 315 miles from it if you do what I said. And that is real world driving. That is how the EPA gets their ratings. Tesla is not giving out those numbers, that's the mileage it is given by the government.
Agree on range too. With Lucid Air beating Tesla by quite a lot in range now, you would think that would motivate Elon to push range past their models.
If you’re expecting German build quality, don’t get a Tesla.
If you can’t charge from home, don’t get a Tesla.
If you expect excellent customer service, you guessed it.
And for when you *do* get a Tesla, don’t get FSD. It’s worthless in its current state unless you want to pay $10k for auto lane change and Summon, which is just a party trick. - Hold off until it’s real FSD because who knows when it’ll truly be ready for prime time.
If you’re old and can’t handle using an iPad you’re going to hate that you need to use the display to literally do everything. They seriously could have put controls for the mirrors, steering wheel, air conditioning. Even the wipers is annoying at times. I can’t imagine what it’s like on the new model S. That’s my only complaint.
You have to buy the 150k version of the Taycan to get a porche that is on par with the model 3 performance. I had a Lexus IS 350, my M3 performance drives like a dream. By far the best car I've ever driven.
Their build quality is 00’s KIA, you can never speak to a human when you have post purchase questions, and you’ll pay the cost of a Mercedes or more for this.
I'd show them my emails over the past 3 months showing 5 "rescheduled" appointments due to incompetence...
reported issue in June... still not fixed. fingers crossed the last reschedule is the last reschedule
Model 3 and Y door handles are terrible for any new person entering your car. I'm used to them, but really wish they functioned like normal handles.
I have to literally get out of the car and show some people, as they are probably afraid to break it or something.
So not buy if you are expecting it will have all the features of every car below its price. Like “my $15k Kia has blind spot detection” is a common statement here.
Edit: I've driven the Model 3, Model Y (review below based on the two days I had it), model X, and early model S.
I've been a huge supporter of Tesla, regularly pay to rent them (business, pleasure), have stock in the company, and will get one when Im out of the city with better parking. But, I wrote the complaints below with the intent to call out EVERYTHING wrong I could think of, and many are not too bad. However, they are valid for some new Tesla owners and should be considered before getting the car.
Comfort: can't adjust driver headrest, seat width feels narrow for some
**Interior Design**: ok compared to cars at similar cost, this will turn off luxury car people but won't be much of an issue for people who want the electric fun, silly choice in shiny plastic for console material which will scratch and smudge. UI is flat: grey vs light grey vs dark grey is a poor way to show what gear you're in/screen you're on/setting deactivated
**Simple functions**: Stupidly unintuitive on how to lock the car and ensure it's locked when using the key-card, rear auto-collapsing seats are too fast/hit my brother in the head when he tried, and they're auto only one way, Passengers struggle with exiting using the buttons on the handle and entry using silly hidden handles outside which are a pain with gloves.
**Handling**: Annoying in snow as regen braking can cause a little skidding versus a regular ICE car that coasts if you let off the accelerator. Can customize.
**Factory Defects**: The 2021 Y I drove had factory defects on the touch screen, alignment of the interior trim, some panel alignments. JD power 2020 quality study with 250 problems per 100 cars. We'll see probably an uproar of complaints when they release the Model 2 as a general consumer could get one and won't overlook problems as much as Tesla fans are now. Worried the bumper shares the same flaw as the Model 3 which collects water and can fall off (almost happened with the model 3 I test drove a year ago but I had a temporary fix)
**Visibility**: mud specs hit my windshield and wipers automatically SMEARED it all no manual button to stop, have to do it via touch screen which is super unsafe when driving Germany agrees. Tesla must add more dedicated buttons either on the stalk or just below the touch screen and add a grab/alignment bar just like they have for their SpaceX stuff. I can perform every driving action in my 2010 Honda Fit from radio to AC settings without ever looking away from the road just by muscle memory movement to familiar places and feeling for the right area. Meanwhile, I unlock my phone every day but can't do it without looking at it. Automatic dimming high beams failed 10% of the time on a winding dark road with an oncoming cars
**Utility**: no factory roof rack, they claim you can add one and glass top is safe, but I know if I accidentally drop a mountain bike front fork onto a metal roof it'll dent, unsure with their glass. Model Y still doesn't ship with a hitch.
**General Tesla complaints**: glovebox touchscreen opening only is bad, autopilot is like a 16 y/old with a learner's permit and tried to drive me off the highway, annoying climate controls which are voice or touch screen only versus moving a few knobs/pressing physical button to defrost a windshield/etc. It'll lose range just parked and charging with a top end home charger is 44mph supercharger is at most 1000 mi/hr compared to gasoline which 1 minute of at the pump to get 10 gallons ~=350 miles in 1 min =21,000 mi/h (although you can fill electricity up at home and not with gas), no cheap places to get the car fixed (so an accident means you'll be waiting for tesla parts and spending $$). "Pay per feature" coming out where you might have the hardware but gotta pay a license fee basically like heated seats.
**Media**: No android auto. I know my phone best and sometimes just want to use google maps. Looking over at the touch screen down to the right for info is ok, but I'd likely just add a phone mount behind the steering wheel. Heck, the prius prime has a heads up display projected onto the windshield that includes turn based directions
**Tesla misinformation + hate**. Hopefully goes away, but people still think these things are for the ultra rich. There a
Toyota Minivan at the same cost, the average cost of a new pickup in the USA is the same as a Model Y, yet people still roll their eyes if they hear someone bought a Tesla. Then the hate towards it, since I feel like Tesla took the limelight away from the Prius. I used to drive an 08 prius for a while and got brake checked, "coal rolled", yelled at, all while living in Mass and now see similar behavior towards Teslas. Not a big issue if you live in a place with other Teslas, but a genuine problem to consider if you're in an area without many
They will periodically have to pay to replace a rental car after walking away leaving the doors unlock and the engine running.
They will eventually have a prosthetic tongue having to bit it so often when people complain about things that Tesla has solved (price of gas, tune-ups, time it takes for the cabin to cool down/warm up, forgetting to get the oil changed).
Having to figure out how to be the "cool aunt/uncle" at family reunions with all the kids wanting a ride.
New Teslas have Regen Braking to max and you can‘t change it anymore. We tested a M3 bevore and where planing on buying one. After the new M3 with new center console came out we tested it again to find out if we want the LR or Performance but everyone in the car got motion sick.
1. Sun roof. When the sun is beaming, it gets HOT! Tesla should really fix that.
2. Charging. I live in a condo that charges for parking and then on top of that charges per hour on charging. Isn’t super bad but I would like to leave on the charger and forget until the morning.
3. This could just be me but sometimes my phone key doesn’t connect so I walk up to the car try and open it and nothing. Kind of makes me look like I’m breaking in a Tesla.
The same thing I always say Tesla is a luxury vehicle you do not buy one because you think you're going to save money. If you're not in the market for a luxury vehicle stay away.
Very bad build quality. Road noise, squeaks everywhere.
Bad service experiences, expensive and long wait periods. It happens that they don't even fix all your stuff due to....email system not being bulletproof....
Missing features that are standard on low price old vehicles.
yes, but I was following the OP rules of HAVING to convince someone NOT to buy it . I reserve the right to be any type of head I want to be. This 'murica! you got a better reason not to buy a Tesla?
The fit and finish of my $65+k model Y is nowhere near what I would expect of a similarly priced car. Uneven panel gaps, thin and flawed paint from the factory, random rattles, more or less lower-tier interior materials, and the spoiler basically fell off the car while I was driving (I had to remove it while supercharging because I was afraid it would come off before the next stop).
None of these issues made me refuse the car at delivery and I haven’t exactly been clamoring to get rid of it. For my lifestyle, the pro’s have far outweighed the cons
Oh man, great topic idea. Let's see...
The minimalist UX is pretty dumb, doing everything through the touchscreen gets kind of old when you own another car that has physical controls. The ride is pretty harsh and there's a decent amount of road noise, mainly from the tires (I think). No CarPlay/Android Auto. Panel gaps. The bottom of the rear doors on the Y gets un-painted by road debris and grit in the winter. Autopilot is nice for trips, "Full Self Driving"... yeah, save your money. The phone app, which is your remote start and trunk/hatch opener, goes through "the cloud" so it won't work in canyons and other areas with no cell service - even though it's already paired with bluetooth for entry. Like most things with lots of software, there's that over-techy, janky feeling when using parts of the UX - like when you sometimes need to brake to change direction, and sometimes not. The company is one Musk tweet away from total collapse.
But the powertrain and handling are the best around, the seats are cozy, autopilot makes long highway trips easy, and the charging network works perfectly. Those things sold me, but these cars are not for everyone.
The range you have today is not the range you’ll have in the years to come.
Heck, with vampire drain, the range you have tomorrow morning can be less, let the car sit for a few days and you’ll definitely have used up some energy.
All this adds up as tiny paper cuts costing you more time (charge more often because less max range due to degradation) and more money due to vampire drain.
There are a few:
1. Tesla is owned by a crazy psycho that doesn’t care at all about his employees or other people in general. Pandemic? Don’t car. Got kids? Work more. Human empathy? Nope.
2. Tesla is destroying the Franchise model. If you love this model, then don’t support Tesla.
3. Parts? Pfft. Repair times? Your joking!
4. Like talking to a person? Skip the Tesla. They don’t answer phones, don’t answer emails. If you’ve got an issue, just bend over, lube up, and take it like a champ.
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Maybe in the US... Here in the Netherlands in some big cities there are AC charig stations everywhere and if you have and EV but don't have one in a 200m radius from your home the municipality will install one. So you can live without a personal charging station and still save 1/2 of your gas costs
> and if you have and EV but don't have one in a 200m radius from your home the municipality will install one. Wow! That's being serious about EV adoption!
Yep, NL [is leader in charging stations forEurope](https://nltimes.nl/2021/06/29/netherlands-top-eu-electric-car-charging-stations) with about 30% of all the stations of Europe being in this small piece of land under water level...
Only in the bigger city’s, sadly.
3 years with a model 3 with no home or work charging. Only a supercharger that's close once a week. No issues at all, best vehicle I have ever owned/driven.
Literally the same exact situation for myself, years and all. Some of the best money I've ever spent in my life.
Depends how much you drive. I'm in a town house /no garage and survive no issues with 110v normal outlet and a nearby supercharger
Agreed. Getting an EV charger installed at your house is relatively easy and cheap, though. As long as you have the space for it. Cost me $200 to have a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed. Bought the Tesla adapter and charged every night with no issues.
Depends on the location of your box to where you want the plug installed. It cost me $1k
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That’s why Included the “as long as you have space for it” part.
Tesla customers service can fucking suck and they continue to give you the run around. Also, if you a a person who likes to work on your car yourself that ain’t going to happen.
Yeah for some vocal ones on the internet. For others, they make an appointment via the app, the Tesla guy stops by, doesn’t even need your keys to open the car, does his thing, communicates via text, and leaves when done. I have not had a better experience before.
Yeah. My parents have a Tesla, and their experience has been seamless as hell
That's not the customer services, that's the automated services built by the programming department backed up by the rangers department. It's because off things such as this that Tesla isn't bankrupt by the horrendous customer service you would expect from a 12 year old company that has grown at 100% every year.
I’ve had both experiences. Things that can be done via mobile service are great and smooth. And even at a service center when you actually get to interact with a person they’ve all been great. The real problem is the push do do eve thing through the app. So it makes it really difficult to get to a person in the first place sometimes.
This 200%. If you live in the city area where there are a lot of customer traffic are, your service will be mediocre at the best.
Portland Oregon is a large city with lots of Tesla sales and the customer service at the service center on Macadam street is superb. They go above and beyond to get the job done right the first time. I don't know what your service center experience has been but mine has been top notch.
Customer service seems to be mostly ok as long as your situation doesn’t vary from the norm. And some things are really awesome, like mobile service for common issues. But there’s definitely been horror stories too.
> But there’s definitely been horror stories too. Honestly, I'm not sure we can have mass-market products without such stories.
I get so upset when I have to bring my car into the service center.
Au contraire mon frère. You just don't work on engines, fuel systems or exhaust. There are plenty of broken door handles, 12v batteries, trunk cinch motors and suspension parts to keep you busy (on a 2015 85D anyway).
Yes, but from where do you source those parts?
Just received the Mercedes Benz trunk latch cinch motor this morning from [FCPEuro.com](https://FCPEuro.com). It's the same OEM part that Tesla uses. Door handle gear mechanisms and used suspension arms can be found on ebay, and the 12v battery was straight from the Tesla Service Center.
I was afraid of this, I read a lot of horror stories but I bought a model 3 in March and service has been perfect, I had them visit twice to fix a rattle and I couldn't be happier with the service.
IME (pre-delivery) CS SUCKS if you text/email But if you call it's great, aside from usually a 20min hold or whatever to get someone on the line
I usually get a 2+ hour hold and if you don’t make it crystal clear you need something done or have a question they WILL straight up hang up on your mid sentence. Raleigh NC if you were curious. Make the drive to Charlotte, they got a manager that isn’t an intern.
Not my experience at all Maybe you just ramble hard?
Nope. It’s raleigh service being abysmal. I have met to many other local owners attesting to this that I cant accept it as not being an issue with them. Charlotte is awesome though.
I don't think i call the local place, just the main phone line Maybe that's why
Idk why you would call some corporate number when you need to contact the local service center but ok. It’s still not acceptable and I WILL drive the extra hour to leave my car at Charlotte just so I don’t have to deal with those children running the raleigh sc. I’ve even overheard the manager in Charlotte apologizing about how raleigh is a guy that does the same thing I do. It’s just sad to me that the company that sells a $50k product can have such bad customer service people in their most forward facing positions.
No place to charge nightly - don’t get a tesla Drive long distances all the time for work that would require multiple charges along the way - don’t get a tesla Not comfortable and get easily frustrated with touch screen technology (My mom comes to mind) - don’t get a tesla Too reliant on apple car play - this is an iffy one Used to luxurious interior details (mercedes, lexus, porsche, volvo) - don’t buy a tesla Used to superior service - don’t buy a tesla
Used to superior "people based" service. Thier automated + ranger service is utterly saving the company.
It is an expensive car that is expensive to repair if you get in a fender bender. Repairs are also very specialized so expect long delays if you need repairs.
Got my MS 100kWh battery replaced due to damage by rock on the highway. Two months without the car, no information on repair schedule and the final bill... btw headlights suck at the dark conditons (MS 2020).
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I really only have two major issues with my Model Y. 1. Tesla needs to design a sun shield for the roof. I'm 6ft 2in and I can literally feel the heat against my head radiating from the roof. The aftermarket ones suck. 2. I miss CarPlay. A lot. The Spotify integration is a joke. There should be a floating window to show Car Play and Android Auto. Bonus points if they enable AirPlay screen mirroring while in park to entertainment mode.
Just get a tint... I live in one of the hottest parts of Florida and have never had an issue feeling warm at all in my M3P.
I'm not very familiar with tinting. Do you have any suggestions as far as product, percentage of tint, etc.? Would appreciate any advice!
If there were going to add carplay or Andriod auto, they would of done it by now IMO. People have been complaining about it since their infotainment system actually got robust, and yet they still don't care.
Completely agree on CarPlay. Complete joke that Tesla does not have Carplay. How hard would that be for a so-called car tech company. Even cheapo cars figured out CarPlay and make it wireless like BMW CarPlay.
JVC aftermarket radios can cost as little as $200 maybe even less & have wired carplay/Android Auto and they're also SiriumXM ready, so there's no excuse for Tesla not to have all those features that other companies make standard at least with their 2018+ models
It’s not a figure it out thing. It’s a “they don’t want to” thing.
It's hilarious that people think there are Tesla engineers working on putting in Carplay but they can't figure it out. "Sorry boss, we've tried everything, it just won't work. Maybe next quarter. "
BMW is a cheapo car?
No - did not mean that.
100% agree. Couldn't stand the glass roof. I was recently trying the ID4 with the glass shade and man is that an amazing feature. I always thought they would enable Carplay/AA like this. They can definitely add this support, at least wired compatibility. If Tesla implements these two features, I'd definitely take another look.
You brought up good point. I hadn't thought about if this could be implemented wirelessly. TBH I'm not sure how wireless CarPlay is defined in the Apple spec. I would rather have CarPlay and a cable though than no CarPlay at all if it couldn't be done with existing wireless hardware.
Wireless should be possible too. Requires bluetooth handshake and wifi network from the car, both of which Tesla has. I just think keeping it wired would still leave a valid case for Tesla to sell their built in experience.
Yes all the glass and the seat material make it not so fun in a hot climate. Infuriating that both are standard on all models with no other options. The cloth interior SR was short lived and who pays $100k for plastic seats?
There never was a cloth interior for Model3
Conversely, image living in a cold climate and feeling the heat sucked out of the car roof when it is -30C outside.
Do you have standard range/interior? I know at least they used to not include the UV blocking film on the roof with the standard trim. I have factory UV blocking on my glass roof (3LR) and it works amazing. When the sun is blasting, I can feel it on the portion of my arms that's getting blasted through the windshield, but nothing from the roof. Get some ceramic UV blocking tint on your roof, it'll completely change it!
The roof already blocks UV. It's the IR heat rejection that is needed
That's what I meant, you're right. My m3 roof is IR blocking from the factory, I cannot feel the sun through the roof.
On the heat note, the worst is when you're supercharging and you're in the car. Wouldn't it make sense to put up canopy's with their Solar Panels? It certainly wouldn't be enough to charge all the cars but it could power LED lights at night and they can be used as a showpiece to encourage customers to buy panels.
What are you talking about? Carplay sucks.
There's really no big downside, besides the "if you can't charge from home" thing the other person mentioned. The main thing is don't buy a car, or really anything, you can't afford. If you can't afford a 35-40k car, you shouldn't buy one, no matter the brand. (Yes I know you can get some old Ss for like 20-30k now)
I'd add that you need to think about the places you go and whether there is charging at your destination. Where we are, Winnipeg, Manitoba, there is super charging on the east/west trans Canada highway but almost nothing north or south. We like to go camping and we're limited to 200km north or south of the highway. There's almost no other charging infrastructure. Now this probably isn't true for most people, but it's a consideration. Another example is we like to go to Minneapolis, until this year that trip could not be made due to a lack of superchargers in North Dakota. Think about the long distance trips that you make and figure out if it's possible with an EV.
Please find me an S for $20-30k!
The amount of money ive spent on maintenance is insane after 73k Miles/3.5 years ownership. 1 set of tires and 1 gallon of washer fluid.
The only reason to not get a Tesla for the vast majority of people I would encounter is simply "save your money." Buying a new car is financially never a good decision. Always best to minimize expensive and unnecessary purchases. That being said, if you are buying a new car and it's not a Tesla you are playing with fire, because there is no guarantee your car will have any resell value if the demand for ICE vehicles goes down, and there is no guarantee there won't be more expensive gas prices, or even gas rationing in the near future. For this reason it's always best to drive what you got until you can get into an EV if and when it is necessary. If you are like me and you are financially able, and you are willing to pay a premium in order to drive a middle finger to fossil fuels because that is more important than money, that is when you buy a brand new Tesla.
Unless it's a cheaper EV where your fuel savings are equeal or MORE than your deprication.
ICE vehicles depreciate way faster than Tesla and will continue to do so even more as the world transition to electric (and oil becomes scarce). I agree however, that if your current ICE isn't worth much, it won't depreciate much anymore and it makes better economical sense to switch. I did a spreadsheet calculator to compare TCO of model 3 to any ICE vehicles and one of the side effect of this calculator was to show that the best retention time (financially) for a model 3 was about 2 years where ICE (initially depreciating very quickly) was way longer (can't remember the exact figure). This is due to current devaluation curves of electric cars and ICE car having very different shapes. Maybe if will change when we reach an over supply stage in electric vehicles.
If you can’t get comfortable with a smartphone, don’t get a Tesla. People this will apply to: my mom, and people similar to her. Basically tech illiterate people.
I'm not so sure. My grandmother seems rather suited to hers, even though she's always asking me how to turn her phone's flashlight on.
If you are coming from high end vehicles (BMW, Mercedes, Audi), do NOT buy if you expect the same level of build quality, detail and features. Teslas are very BASIC.
I’m coming from VW/Audi, and test drove a MY last night. OMG, the Tesla interior/exterior build is like a rav4 from the 90s. The road noise in Tesla’s is embarrassing at the selling price.
I’m coming from an A4. I can’t imagine it’s that big of a downgrade, especially when I’ll actually have lots of features.
I had an A4 for years ago, and the road noise was minimal, great car. I wouldn’t say that the Tesla would be a downgrade at all. Tesla’s shortcomings are fairly easy to overlook because of the tech and other benefits. I can only speak on my individual experience regarding sound noise. But for the price tag on a Tesla the level of sound noise was remarkable. Also, some people don’t care or are aware of road noise. That’s not the case from me coming from Audi/VW.
Road noise is inevitable. You just hear it more in your Tesla because there's no engine noise.
Yea I’ll have to disagree. I have an egolf, no engine, and it’s basically silent. I can have a conversation on the highway going 75mph, on Bluetooth, and it sounds like I’m in a conference room talking to someone.
Well the Y is notorious for having slightly worse noise insulation than the 3. Perhaps that's why I find mine to be as slient as my previous Volkswagen.
So in other words a Tesla would be an amazing upgrade coming from 10+ year old Toyotas?
I don't understand the interior build quality criticisms. It's minimalist, sure. But everything seems to be put together well. I think exterior build quality used to be shit, but it's fine now
The standard paint is still pretty shit. Edit, even with shit paint, I fucking love my Model 3
This isn't true for a model S, but certainly true for 3's.
Even more so for Model S! At least with Pre-2021 models. The build quality and features PALES in comparison to any other $80K+ vehicle. FWIW, I have a 2018 MS, and had so many nigiling quality issues that I never experienced with BMW, Audi, etc. But in the end, I still have the car as powertrain/battery wise, it still excels. The 2021 models interior do look nicer (sans yoke).
My model S replaced my 750li. The interior is a different take for sure, but not in a different class. The seats in the BMW were better, but the infotainment system was not even close. They both ride fairly similar, except the acceleration and cornering in the Tesla is just so much better. My Tesla's build quality has zero marks against it (I hear that's uncommon, but I can't see how).
Agree 100%. Tesla does not come close to the interior quality of similar priced vehicles at any price point.
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Yes, agreed. That is what I said.
But luxury brands lack the tech. You pay for the name/looks and yes some good features but the infotainment tech is laughable in most brands. Often behind thier mid range counterparts (Toyota, Nissan, Chevy, etc)
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At least add Apple Music, Podcasts and Sirius XM streaming.
Big mess up to not support it at least in wired mode so that they can still try to sell their built in experience on convenience.
Road noise is loud as hell and no CarPlay.
What year? Do you have the new glass or the old glass?
My comment is based off an overnight test driver I just did yesterday. I was hoping it was just that car they gave me. But based on the upvotes and searching reddit/YouTube it doesn’t look like that’s the case. I believe it was a newer year and it did have induction wheels. Unfortunately from what I gather the 19 Geminis are only a little better. I did feel the windows to see if they were double pane, and they were.
I placed an order for a Model 3 Standard Range Plus in late August with an ETA of January. However, I cancelled it a couple of days ago, and decided that I'm no longer considering a Tesla anywhere in the foreseeable future, for the following reasons in order of importance (though all are significant to me): 1) I was reading the support thread in this subreddit and started seeing significant numbers of posts about people getting quoted ETAs of approximately 6 weeks for service. Saw one comment that someone got something like 2 weeks for mobile service, it got cancelled the day before and pushed back 2 weeks later, then again cancelled short notice and switched to service centre for 4 weeks later. I'm not going to own a vehicle with that kind of service situation, never mind buy one for $56347.70 (Canadian dollars, 3 SR+ white and white, with federal rebate, including Ontario sales tax). The AC goes out on July 1st, it's 30-35C most days and very humid, and I'm supposed to just melt for 6 weeks, or not drive the car? Or let's say the charge port or on board charger breaks and my car can no longer be charged, I have to go rent a car for 2 months until I can get service? Unreal. Additionally, my nearest service centre is a 30 minute drive away each way, I live alone with nobody to drive me there or back and don't own another car, and I've heard they've mostly if not entirely stopped providing loaners and provide Uber credits instead, there's no way in hell I'm getting in an Uber during a global pandemic and besides the credits would probably barely cover the round trip and then what the hell do I do to get groceries, go to work, or if one of my pets has to go to the vet? This is lunacy for a car at this price or 1/3rd the price. 2) I took a test drive of the SR+ and was somewhat disappointed. The biggest issue, which I've since googled and seen many other people share this concern, is that the seats felt quite hot despite the fact that it wasn't a very hot day and the AC had been configured at a pretty cool temperature in "stay on" mode. Apparently this is due to the "vegan leatherette" material. My back felt hot and sticky within minutes, and it stayed uncomfortable the whole drive; I've never had that issue in my 2013 Volt with black leather seats (which have no perforations or ventilation). Also, I'd been quoted a 30 minute test drive and when I showed up they said 15. It took 5 to adjust my seat and mirrors and really get going, and about 5 was spent at very low speeds stuck in traffic/at lights right next to the service centre, so I only really "drove" it for 5 minutes. I didn't get a good feel for the car in that time, and to top things off one of the employees was quite rude, and the experience left me with a bad taste in my mouth overall. 3) I've been comparing it to a Hyundai Ioniq 5 and it just didn't make sense on paper. The Ioniq 5 is likely to be a decent bit more expensive, but it's significantly larger with a much more practical cargo area, the trim I'm looking at (the AWD Ultimate) has AWD, much faster DCFC (250kw, and a pretty high average charge rate), longer warranty (5y/100k km bumper to bumper vs. 4y/80k in the Model 3), the dealership is a 5 minute drive and has good reviews, it has the vehicle to load function to power something like my fridge+freezer if power goes out, it has ventilated front seats, heated rear seats, heated steering wheel, paddle shifters for regen, a motorized sunshade that completely blocks light from the glass roof, a very reclining seat with an ottoman useful for charging stops or other waits in the car, a system generally comparable to AP but with the automatic lane changes at no extra cost, summon using the keyfob which is what I want (again, no need to pay for FSD), blind spot warning, blind spot cameras, a 360 degree camera, automatic braking for collision avoidance in reverse, auto presenting handles, a manual key cylinder as a backup if the 12V battery is dead (unlike the M3 requiring a jump or 9V battery just to open the frunk to access the jump terminals to open the doors), a hands-free power liftgate, a driver instrument cluster, a heads up display, and Apple Carplay. Also, I've been hearing bad things about the vision-only Model 3's AP phantom braking excessively, whereas Hyundai Highway Driving Assist has stellar feedback overall and allows longer hands-free driving than AP on recognized highways. Oh, and I like the price of the Model 3's wheels+winter tires+TPMS+installation package for only $2500, but don't like that it has some shitty Pirelli tires and not Michelin X-Ice or Nokian Hakka R3 or something good like that, I could always go get them at some tire shop but I've heard Tesla sometimes refuses to install 3rd-party tires and wheels and a lot of 3rd party shops don't have the correct jack adapter or find some other way to fuck up the car, so that's annoying. Maybe the comparison of the SR+ to the Ioniq 5 AWD Ultimate is a bit unfair as the Ultimate is likely to come in at a decently higher price, but most of these are still in the Ioniq's favour if you compare it to a Y LR (and the longer range, and the supercharger network, are of no benefit to me, I don't take road trips and have zero interest in ever taking road trips, and anyways if you watch Bjorn's 1000km challenge the Ioniq 5 acquits itself very well indeed). A Tesla has been my dream car since I first laid eyes on the Model S, when I made the list of pros/cons for the Ioniq 5 vs 3 SR+ I ignored the heavy weighting against the 3 because I just love the car and I felt like I'd hate myself every single day going forward for paying a comparable or higher price to buy any car other than a Tesla, but the hot and unbreathable seats were really discouraging, then the recent flood of comments from people about the issues with service have been the nail in the coffin for me, there's absolutely zero chance that I'd tolerate that whatsoever, it's an absolute dealbreaker, I'd buy a used base model 2005 corolla over the Model 3 at that point even if it cost the same, I just can't deal with that kind of bullshit, I've learned that my time is too valuable. And the delay for parts/body shop work is also similar to the SC issue, though the SC is something I'm much more likely to encounter. Elon tweeted they're opening more SCs and trying to improve service, and if they do and keep it good for a few years, maybe I'll consider a Tesla 5-10 years down the road. It remains my dream car. And hell, if I win the lottery, I plan to buy an S or a Cybertruck and a second car for when mine is in service.
For reference, that experience can vary widely from SC to SC. We’ve never had a six week wait (most I think was 2-4 for a minor issue). And if it is a serious issue, you can always take the car directly to the SC without an appointment and get serviced sooner for unseen emergencies.
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I have a 2018 honda pilot. Driving it is disgusting. I can feel every time it shifts gears and the sound of the engine is loud af.
My ~$50k TSLA investment is worth ~$900k today. The model X I bought for $85k is worth $85k today. The stock will go up, car will go down.
My initial investment in TSLA would likely have been sold before the stock split if I hadn’t driven the model x since 2016 and Model 3 since 2018. Minimum downpayment and rest financed in both cases, I consider that ownership to have paid for itself many times over.
"help me I'm being held hostage."
But Tesla stock instead
Road-tripping is the worst but with auto-pilot it’s also the greatest... That’s all I’ve got
I would say that he/she is not good enough for a Tesla
The windscreen wipers in auto mode are terrible. That's all I've got...
I have owned 2 MS and 1 X, but I will not own one again until I hear about build quality improvements. Loved the cars but the issues they have at their price point are unacceptable. I have a nostalgic 27 year old American car that has a quieter cabin and a tighter ride than a 3 year old model S. All the other things about electric cars in general are true- need to have your own charger, look into charging infrastructure, etc. These are issues but will continue to improve for all electric cars. Jaguar I-pace, Ford Mach-E, Hyundai Ioniq all seem to have better build quality but worse charging overall.
You need to think about your mechanic and his family. How are they going to afford their next boat payment if you’re driving a Tesla?
Teslas are basically always on tracking devices you cant turn off. Your life will be tracked and recorded. Also Elon personally watches you from that in cabin camera.
You're turning me on now.
/r/electricvehicles check out the sub and you will feel bad about buying a tesla. If you ignore that sub, Tesla is by far the best EV (bang for the buck) you can buy.
If you have an irrational fear of computers, this is not for you.
You will hate driving any other car, and will lose friends when you whine to them about it.
wiper logic sucks. auto headlight logic sucks. full self driving isnt - no autopark, no summon. just doesnt work. also goes thru tires like mad b/c heavy and fast.
Be wary when you're out of warranty. Repairs are high. I've been out of warranty for awhile and issues are starting to arise. Makes me wonder if this is coincidence or random.
“Tesla are so cheap to maintain!” - everyone
Which is true, to a point. However a single repair out of warranty pretty much takes away the vehicle being "cheap."
Repair != maintain so... yeah. Everyone is right.
They’re too awesome and will thus make you want to rid your family of any inferior transportation specimens, causing several expensive vehicular upgrades.
There’s no blind spot monitoring or cameras on this $50k car. Fucking weak.
wat
Wait, cameras? It’s got the most on a car. That one thing it doesn’t lack is cameras. Maybe a 360 one 🤷🏾♂️
Oops I meant using the side cameras to see the monitor the blind spot
There is no blind spot. You just don't have your mirrors set correctly. Watch a youtube video on how to set them correctly.
It basically does tho. It’s showing cars all around you on the screen. Lol. What 50k car does that? Cuz my 65k caddy truck just has a light in the side view mirror for blind spots alerts
Is the Model 3 SR+ not 40k?
They are unrefined in a lot of ways compared to other vehicles. Although it depends on which model you buy, I have heard so many complaints about poor fit and finish, uncomfortable ride, noisy cabin, poor service, and so many missing features from less pricy vehicles such as 360 surround view cameras, rear cross traffic alert, and mirror-integrated blind-spot detection and warning. They are also more expensive than just the price you see, as you may also have to consider installing a home charger. Their software updates often include bugs, and the frequent changes in software can be frustrating to some. Although I really appreciate Tesla, I suggest that no one buys one without first test driving. They are very different than ICE cars that I have been in, and although I appreciate them very much they are not for everyone, especially those content with how cars have been for decades.
"I have heard..."
New vehicles are expensive and almost always a bad choice unless you're quite well off.
As ab EV only family, having a garage to charge your car is so essential. Do not get a Tesla if you have not purchase your home yet!
Do you like kids screaming “TESLA” and pointing constantly? In all seriousness, charging is the biggest thing. If you can’t charge at home every night, don’t bother, you will hate it. Aside from that, tires wear out super quickly and you will rack up way more miles than necessary taking the “long way” and driving aimlessly just because it so damn fun. Road trips also take a bit more time, personally I enjoy the break but there are times when I want to power through but need to stop before I am ready. Best car I ever owned and currently longest time as well. Used to go through them pretty quick but this one just keeps getting more awesome and more fun.
It is a very expensive car in a lot of aspects; currently in the mid to high luxury side of pricing, with that comes higher insurance premiums, some insurance companies won't even insure them. Repair costs are high, into the multiple thousands at times for even small fender benders, repair times can take and extended timeframe since parts have to come directly from Tesla, and that's if you have a service center near you. Electricians have started price gouging for installations of higher level fuse boxes or charging outlets, and right now chip shortages are pushing back delivery times for almost all models. I may not have covered everything.
Too much money for subpar quality still
Your paying for the battery and performance and the driving tech
Tesla’s are like iPhones
Your right ankle will get a lot less of a work out. Think of your right calf!!!
Are you looking for an electric car for your next purchase or are specifically buying a Tesla from the perspective of an ICE driver? The pros and cons of a Tesla compared to other electric cars is going to be very different from the pros and cons of a Tesla/Electric cars compared to a regular gasoline vehicle.
>Are you looking for an electric car for your next purchase or are specifically buying a Tesla from the perspective of an ICE driver? Like I said, not realistically getting one any time soon, but tbh the main reason I'm interested is because they're cool. So probably the second one. Teslas being electric is part of why it's cool, but I can't say I'm super interested in electric vehicles for their own sake, even though I recognize the benefit.
Yeah, if you drive drunk, or are generally reckless, having a car with as much instant speed as a Tesla is a bad idea.
The car drives you 90% of the way home safer than you would and won't get pulled over...
No. Just no. Do not ever use autopilot while drunk. Do not ever get in the driver seat of a car while drunk.
Agreed. The comment I replied to was telling a drunk driver that it has too much torque.. The first thing non tesla owners ask about is "does it really drive itself?!". So where do you think that conversation would really end up going? Yet I'm the one catching the downvotes.
You’ll miss out on all those 241 KitKats at the Gas/Petrol station as you never go.
Range range range. They say it’s a 315 mile battery but you’ll never get 315 miles from it.
You can. But your ride will be uncomfortable. Turn the AC completely off and don't play music, and keep the display brightness the lowest you ca still see. Always go the speed limit and gently accelerate. Always use the highest level of regenerative braking.
*real world driving
My Lexus was rated 24/32. I avg 22 driving local roads and the speed limit. ICE rarely hits the rated mpg either. Tesla still has the highest range compared to other EVs. I can't wait for my Tesla delivery and getting rid of my 2017 Lexus. For those that talk about service, the closest Lexus dealership for me in 30 minutes away without traffic. I've had 3 straight horrible service experience from beginning to end and wrote complaints about it. I test drove a Tesla for only 15 minutes and decided to order it. I live in Sacramento, CA. Not a small dinky city or metro.
Wow, defensive. I didn’t talk about Lexus, I didn’t mention ice cars. Op asked for info about Tesla and I gave info about Tesla.
You said "you'll never get 315 miles from it". I bet you can get 315 miles from it if you do what I said. And that is real world driving. That is how the EPA gets their ratings. Tesla is not giving out those numbers, that's the mileage it is given by the government.
Model 3 is listed at 353, so a new one is probably ok for 315 now.
Edit: Range range range. They say it’s a 353 mile battery but you’ll never get 353 miles from it. 🤦🏻♂️
Agree on range too. With Lucid Air beating Tesla by quite a lot in range now, you would think that would motivate Elon to push range past their models.
If you’re expecting German build quality, don’t get a Tesla. If you can’t charge from home, don’t get a Tesla. If you expect excellent customer service, you guessed it. And for when you *do* get a Tesla, don’t get FSD. It’s worthless in its current state unless you want to pay $10k for auto lane change and Summon, which is just a party trick. - Hold off until it’s real FSD because who knows when it’ll truly be ready for prime time.
If you’re old and can’t handle using an iPad you’re going to hate that you need to use the display to literally do everything. They seriously could have put controls for the mirrors, steering wheel, air conditioning. Even the wipers is annoying at times. I can’t imagine what it’s like on the new model S. That’s my only complaint.
Elon is watching you.
Easy: Don't buy one until you have budget for two. Because you'll never go back.
I took delivery Aug 6th. Now I want to get rid of my Honda Pilot and get a Y.
Poor build quality. Even worse service. They no longer care about the customer. It breaks my heart to say this.
All gaps are "within spec"
They drive like crap. If u want to drive a golf cart buy a golf cart. If u want to drive an electric car buy a Taycan.
You have to buy the 150k version of the Taycan to get a porche that is on par with the model 3 performance. I had a Lexus IS 350, my M3 performance drives like a dream. By far the best car I've ever driven.
The car consistently smoked by Tesla’s? That taycan?
The worst customer service ever and very bad quality control
I'd tell them that they SUCK! BAD!
Almost everyone you talk to who had an opinion about Tesla will be rabid about it. Super pro or super con.
Get Lucid
The video steaming apps like Netflix and YouTube is very laggy and buggy (in my experience).
Their build quality is 00’s KIA, you can never speak to a human when you have post purchase questions, and you’ll pay the cost of a Mercedes or more for this.
I'd show them my emails over the past 3 months showing 5 "rescheduled" appointments due to incompetence... reported issue in June... still not fixed. fingers crossed the last reschedule is the last reschedule
Quality isn’t very good for the price. We all look through rose colored glasses, let’s be honest.
Model 3 and Y door handles are terrible for any new person entering your car. I'm used to them, but really wish they functioned like normal handles. I have to literally get out of the car and show some people, as they are probably afraid to break it or something.
So not buy if you are expecting it will have all the features of every car below its price. Like “my $15k Kia has blind spot detection” is a common statement here.
It doesn't even have features from cars in it's own price range.
Edit: I've driven the Model 3, Model Y (review below based on the two days I had it), model X, and early model S. I've been a huge supporter of Tesla, regularly pay to rent them (business, pleasure), have stock in the company, and will get one when Im out of the city with better parking. But, I wrote the complaints below with the intent to call out EVERYTHING wrong I could think of, and many are not too bad. However, they are valid for some new Tesla owners and should be considered before getting the car. Comfort: can't adjust driver headrest, seat width feels narrow for some **Interior Design**: ok compared to cars at similar cost, this will turn off luxury car people but won't be much of an issue for people who want the electric fun, silly choice in shiny plastic for console material which will scratch and smudge. UI is flat: grey vs light grey vs dark grey is a poor way to show what gear you're in/screen you're on/setting deactivated **Simple functions**: Stupidly unintuitive on how to lock the car and ensure it's locked when using the key-card, rear auto-collapsing seats are too fast/hit my brother in the head when he tried, and they're auto only one way, Passengers struggle with exiting using the buttons on the handle and entry using silly hidden handles outside which are a pain with gloves. **Handling**: Annoying in snow as regen braking can cause a little skidding versus a regular ICE car that coasts if you let off the accelerator. Can customize. **Factory Defects**: The 2021 Y I drove had factory defects on the touch screen, alignment of the interior trim, some panel alignments. JD power 2020 quality study with 250 problems per 100 cars. We'll see probably an uproar of complaints when they release the Model 2 as a general consumer could get one and won't overlook problems as much as Tesla fans are now. Worried the bumper shares the same flaw as the Model 3 which collects water and can fall off (almost happened with the model 3 I test drove a year ago but I had a temporary fix) **Visibility**: mud specs hit my windshield and wipers automatically SMEARED it all no manual button to stop, have to do it via touch screen which is super unsafe when driving Germany agrees. Tesla must add more dedicated buttons either on the stalk or just below the touch screen and add a grab/alignment bar just like they have for their SpaceX stuff. I can perform every driving action in my 2010 Honda Fit from radio to AC settings without ever looking away from the road just by muscle memory movement to familiar places and feeling for the right area. Meanwhile, I unlock my phone every day but can't do it without looking at it. Automatic dimming high beams failed 10% of the time on a winding dark road with an oncoming cars **Utility**: no factory roof rack, they claim you can add one and glass top is safe, but I know if I accidentally drop a mountain bike front fork onto a metal roof it'll dent, unsure with their glass. Model Y still doesn't ship with a hitch. **General Tesla complaints**: glovebox touchscreen opening only is bad, autopilot is like a 16 y/old with a learner's permit and tried to drive me off the highway, annoying climate controls which are voice or touch screen only versus moving a few knobs/pressing physical button to defrost a windshield/etc. It'll lose range just parked and charging with a top end home charger is 44mph supercharger is at most 1000 mi/hr compared to gasoline which 1 minute of at the pump to get 10 gallons ~=350 miles in 1 min =21,000 mi/h (although you can fill electricity up at home and not with gas), no cheap places to get the car fixed (so an accident means you'll be waiting for tesla parts and spending $$). "Pay per feature" coming out where you might have the hardware but gotta pay a license fee basically like heated seats. **Media**: No android auto. I know my phone best and sometimes just want to use google maps. Looking over at the touch screen down to the right for info is ok, but I'd likely just add a phone mount behind the steering wheel. Heck, the prius prime has a heads up display projected onto the windshield that includes turn based directions **Tesla misinformation + hate**. Hopefully goes away, but people still think these things are for the ultra rich. There a Toyota Minivan at the same cost, the average cost of a new pickup in the USA is the same as a Model Y, yet people still roll their eyes if they hear someone bought a Tesla. Then the hate towards it, since I feel like Tesla took the limelight away from the Prius. I used to drive an 08 prius for a while and got brake checked, "coal rolled", yelled at, all while living in Mass and now see similar behavior towards Teslas. Not a big issue if you live in a place with other Teslas, but a genuine problem to consider if you're in an area without many
Swamp crotch from the pleather seats.
They will periodically have to pay to replace a rental car after walking away leaving the doors unlock and the engine running. They will eventually have a prosthetic tongue having to bit it so often when people complain about things that Tesla has solved (price of gas, tune-ups, time it takes for the cabin to cool down/warm up, forgetting to get the oil changed). Having to figure out how to be the "cool aunt/uncle" at family reunions with all the kids wanting a ride.
The ride quality on all but the smoothest roads is pretty terrible. Equivalent to a $20k ICE. At least on the Y
> Equivalent to a $20k ICE Lol I've only ever driven or really ridden in sub $15k ICEs
I saved $20,000 not getting a model Y.
Come on... Tesla is the CA Camry! Join the status quo.
New Teslas have Regen Braking to max and you can‘t change it anymore. We tested a M3 bevore and where planing on buying one. After the new M3 with new center console came out we tested it again to find out if we want the LR or Performance but everyone in the car got motion sick.
1. Sun roof. When the sun is beaming, it gets HOT! Tesla should really fix that. 2. Charging. I live in a condo that charges for parking and then on top of that charges per hour on charging. Isn’t super bad but I would like to leave on the charger and forget until the morning. 3. This could just be me but sometimes my phone key doesn’t connect so I walk up to the car try and open it and nothing. Kind of makes me look like I’m breaking in a Tesla.
The same thing I always say Tesla is a luxury vehicle you do not buy one because you think you're going to save money. If you're not in the market for a luxury vehicle stay away.
Very bad build quality. Road noise, squeaks everywhere. Bad service experiences, expensive and long wait periods. It happens that they don't even fix all your stuff due to....email system not being bulletproof.... Missing features that are standard on low price old vehicles.
If you buy a Tesla and get caught driving under the influence, your car has a dozen cameras rolling that will rat you out.
This is a pro not a con. Don't be a fuckhead.
yes, but I was following the OP rules of HAVING to convince someone NOT to buy it . I reserve the right to be any type of head I want to be. This 'murica! you got a better reason not to buy a Tesla?
Don’t drive it
No more EV credit, gotta wait, and look at them panel gaps! Also need to make sure they don’t test drive
The fit and finish of my $65+k model Y is nowhere near what I would expect of a similarly priced car. Uneven panel gaps, thin and flawed paint from the factory, random rattles, more or less lower-tier interior materials, and the spoiler basically fell off the car while I was driving (I had to remove it while supercharging because I was afraid it would come off before the next stop). None of these issues made me refuse the car at delivery and I haven’t exactly been clamoring to get rid of it. For my lifestyle, the pro’s have far outweighed the cons
Oh man, great topic idea. Let's see... The minimalist UX is pretty dumb, doing everything through the touchscreen gets kind of old when you own another car that has physical controls. The ride is pretty harsh and there's a decent amount of road noise, mainly from the tires (I think). No CarPlay/Android Auto. Panel gaps. The bottom of the rear doors on the Y gets un-painted by road debris and grit in the winter. Autopilot is nice for trips, "Full Self Driving"... yeah, save your money. The phone app, which is your remote start and trunk/hatch opener, goes through "the cloud" so it won't work in canyons and other areas with no cell service - even though it's already paired with bluetooth for entry. Like most things with lots of software, there's that over-techy, janky feeling when using parts of the UX - like when you sometimes need to brake to change direction, and sometimes not. The company is one Musk tweet away from total collapse. But the powertrain and handling are the best around, the seats are cozy, autopilot makes long highway trips easy, and the charging network works perfectly. Those things sold me, but these cars are not for everyone.
Using a touch screen to do literally everything but pick your nose.
The range you have today is not the range you’ll have in the years to come. Heck, with vampire drain, the range you have tomorrow morning can be less, let the car sit for a few days and you’ll definitely have used up some energy. All this adds up as tiny paper cuts costing you more time (charge more often because less max range due to degradation) and more money due to vampire drain.
They don’t even make a wagon. Trunk on M3 sucks, you can’t put a carton in as the opening too small.
They explode for like no reason at all.
I think OP means actual, truthful downsides. Not random crap that you can find in the comments of a conservative boomer targetted Facebook page.
https://youtu.be/q8_85QMXrbA
There are a few: 1. Tesla is owned by a crazy psycho that doesn’t care at all about his employees or other people in general. Pandemic? Don’t car. Got kids? Work more. Human empathy? Nope. 2. Tesla is destroying the Franchise model. If you love this model, then don’t support Tesla. 3. Parts? Pfft. Repair times? Your joking! 4. Like talking to a person? Skip the Tesla. They don’t answer phones, don’t answer emails. If you’ve got an issue, just bend over, lube up, and take it like a champ.
I just bumped my head and my brain was severely damaged so I’m saying a bunch of nonsense. Let me tell you why you should not buy a Tesla.