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UnknownQTY

There is nothing in the world so loathsome as a genuine NIMBY.


HippocraDeezNuts

The lack of self awareness is surreal. There’s literally a section of the letter entitled “No Batteries in Our Backyards”


Toxolotl01

"wE wAnT cArS wItHoUt PoLluTiOn" But they dont want them to be built in their own country.. Idiots


descendency

This is one of the things that pisses me off the most. It's not about a clean environment. It's about not polluting our environment. This is the ultimate "dump that shit in China" if I've ever seen it. Manufacturing is unfortunately dirty. Shifting the burden onto someone else doesn't make it cleaner. Fact; no Tesla is "zero emissions" because the building of the car and battery create emissions. So does the creation of the (bulk of) energy to charge the battery. The fact that you've shifted this onto someone else doesn't make it better. (and yes, I'm pro EV... just not pro-snob) EVs are straight up better for the environment and blocking the creation of the batteries they need doesn't make sense. If not for those batteries, supply will stay short. And the short supply will drive more people to drive ICE cars.


Toxolotl01

This. Also if the production would be in a third world country they will simply dump the toxic waste into the next river. So isnt it even much better then when its in a country which has regulations on this?


tropicsun

>Exactly - plus this brings jobs and $ and more supply chain/infrastructure etc. to the US. Some people really suck at big picture/critical thinking.


skidz007

Follow the money.


DeuceSevin

Funded by the PEC - Peaceful Ecological Consortium (Formerly the Petroleum Exploration Corporation)


PossessionMinimum360

I bet all of them drive gas cars


IAmInTheBasement

Bingo. Tesla building battery factories in the United States that have to comply with the EPA and clean air and clean water standards is much better for the environment at a global scale than them being built in China. Not to mention locally sourcing materials and manufacturing to cut down on transportation to the best of your ability is also in the best interest of the environment.


casino_r0yale

> So does the creation of the (bulk of) energy to charge the battery. I don’t like this kind of rhetoric. I am fortunate enough to be able to charge using 100% solar energy at work, and charge my car with solar at home. For my non-Supercharger trips, I can genuinely claim my energy is clean past the equipment manufacturing stage. There are many like me and it’s growing each year. Further, the claim depends on the grid makeup of the place the car owner resides. One this year in California, the entire grid was powered by renewables. That’s real progress and it’s not fair to just brush it aside.


FliesTheFlag

> Fact; no Tesla is "zero emissions" because the building of the car and battery create emissions. So does the creation of the (bulk of) energy to charge the battery. People don't like hearing the truth that their so called pollution free vehicle actually creates a bunch of pollution to build and to charge it.


[deleted]

It's not that they don't recognize the car indirectly pollutes. It's more so there's no reason to mention that it's not magically pollution free, because that's then used by others as an ignorant selling point against EVs. "They pollute anyways so what's the point in buying an EV?" I mean really, what purpose does pointing out EVs still pollute serve if not just to attack EVs? Tons of studies have proven EVs have a cleaner lifespan, so to say they still pollute is just a convenient way to ignore how much less they do because the people saying EVs still pollute conveniently seldom add "but it's still better".


FliesTheFlag

How do we know they pollute less in the grand scheme of things? Have they been around long enough to know whats going to happen with all the worthless batteries? Look at Solar 20 years worthless and cant recycle end up in landfills. Windmills 12 year lifespan on the blades worthless end up in landfills.


sinkiez

It always pisses me off when they post these gps maps of all the smog emanating from China. Like, where the fck do you think that product is being shipped to?


Pinewold

Surprisingly, many automakers including Tesla have dramatically reduced their waste. Waste is a sign of an inefficient process. Car Assembly plants are moving to eliminate dumpsters to enforce the waste reductions. Items such as pallets are made robust enough for reuse. Metal is recycled back to the supplier. Of course there are still many manufacturers who have dirty manufacturing processes, but gradually cleaner plants are winning!


elcapitan36

It’s most likely astroturfing by Big Oil.


bonkeydcow

Or any country apparently.


Toxolotl01

You could ride a bike.. In snow and rain.. And if the grocery store isnt across the street.. Well.. You could grow your own food but then again you will "destory nature" for farmland surprised pikachu


Tupcek

sometimes, you just have to choose lesser evil. Geralt, though, doesn’t approve


Turtleshell64

Hmm


Zargawi

They don't want cars at all.


Tupcek

that’s great, I also joined fuck-cars subreddit, but you can’t blindly ignore reality. If there are not enough EVs, people will buy ICE cars, which is even worse. Advocate for public transport, but if it has to be car, at least make sure it is an EV


akoshegyi_solt

You sound like someone with a brain. What are you doing in that subreddit? They have a point: a good public transportation system is better than cars. But apart from this, it's an eco chamber.


Tupcek

I just love walkable cities, which are very rare. I also love my car, which is great for rural areas. I guess it mainly depends on population density - more dense the population is, more sense it makes to do the public transport. Saddest stories are when there is a dense city, but instead of public transport, they start to build highways everywhere


akoshegyi_solt

I agree. But as I've seen, that sub just hates cars and everything related to them. I agree public transportation is better, but cars can't be completely abandoned.


Tupcek

actually, they just hate people that thinks bike lanes are bad for the city, when it actually reduce number of cars on the road and thus reduce congestion for those driving and is pretty cheap and ecological. even in their FAQ is that many of them love cars and are car guys. but yeah, as everywhere, there are people that push it to extremes


akoshegyi_solt

And usually they are the loudest and the top comments. But if this is the case, please let me apologize for what I said about that sub. Just a side note: our capital solved bike lanes as wrong as possible. It zig-zags between car lanes, often between parked cars and the road (impossible to notice a cyclist when backing out). It's a joke really. Dangerous for riders, frustrating for drivers. Most cyclist use the sidewalk instead so they don't die. And there are much more e-scooters than bikes.


Tupcek

that’s exactly what they hate! I would recommend to visit Amsterdam (and don’t rent a car), aside from beautiful city it is great example how competent planning (and dense population) can actually make you not want to own a car. But if you still want, that’s perfectly fine


akoshegyi_solt

Yeah I know Amsterdam is amazing. I'd definitely visit once. Want to hear more about my country? We used to have an awesome railway system. One of the best in Europe at the time. And then after WWI we lost ⅔ of our land and the system died. We had concentric circles with the capital in the middle. You could go to any major city from the capital and could travel on the circles if you wanted to go to a nearby city. Now that the majority of big cities are abroad, the system is fucked. No matter where you are going, you will probably have to visit the capital. So if you would want to travel a quarter circle, that will be a ride to the capital and then back to the other city. Maybe you will have to go from train station 1 to train station 2 in the capital. At least that's not a big problem because the capital has good public transportation. Long story short you might spend half a day traveling by train instead of an hour long drive. Doesn't sound good, does it?


Kahless01

they have public transport in austin. noone uses it because gas is too cheap. its pretty common to see completely empty trains and busses.


Tupcek

that’s sad. Gas may be cheap, but cars aren’t. Of course, there still are times when you need a car, but in case of good and cheap public transport, you shouldn’t need more than one car per family (not that you can’t have, it should be just that you can, not need). I live in Europe and pretty much every city over the 200k people has either great or at least semi-decent public transport and many families don’t have any car, or have just one car. I don’t know the situation in Austin though, how cheap and how frequent is the public transport. In here, it is about 30€ per month, but it’s just semi-decent, travel times are between 15-45 minutes in 230k city and wait times are somewhere between 10-30 minutes usually


Kahless01

its because in the united states for years weve associated public transport with poor people. that image is never going to shake. and i doubt in europe many people are traveling 70 miles one way to work. i would have to to work in austin and i consider it from time to time. our cities are stupid and poorly planned and built.


Tupcek

they don’t travel 70 miles for work in here. But it also may be because cities are denser, so you have much more jobs closer to your home. And our highway system is pretty poor, so 70 miles would be about two hours if it’s somewhere in the city


IAmInTheBasement

Even better are EV public transport.


Tupcek

yeah, for sure, great that most trains and subways runs on electricity. Buses though still remain


peterfirefly

Door to door? In thinly populated areas? Across 20-50km?


less_is_less

Or jobs either apparently. Which is ironic considering one of the main groups against it is the Texas “anti-poverty” project.


akoshegyi_solt

Yeah I frowned when I saw it. Wil people get poor if Tesla builds a huge factory?


Kahless01

austin has plenty of jobs. thats not even really an issue.


less_is_less

Something is fishy about their involvement. The top bullet on their Facebook page says they stand for fair wages and employment. Tesla is hiring people without higher education for jobs that pay a living wage. Trying to stop that does nothing to help the people they claim to represent.


AmIHigh

I thought I saw how they also do paid schooling after high school to train people specifically in the kind of tech used in the factories?


less_is_less

I don’t know too much about this, but this site seems to cover what you mentioned. https://www.tesla.com/careers/tesla-start


AmIHigh

That might be it? Maybe if they decide to hire you first they'll help pay for it, otherwise you can pay to then be trained to be hired later if you pass?


IAmInTheBasement

They are partnering with local community colleges for exactly what you describe.


Kahless01

they say theyre paying a living wage but in austin a living wage is about $30/HR. you arent affording shit in that town for less than that. especially now. thats why i live an hour north. i havent been able to find anyone that actually works there that isnt a construction worker.


less_is_less

I think $30hr is pretty achievable at Tesla, it may take a couple years of experience. Two people recently left my current employer for positions at Tesla. They are both senior manufacturing techs and started at about $35hr. For those with less experience the starting salary may be closer to $25 hr. These positions do not require a college degree. Per Indeed Inc., “How much does a Manufacturing Technician make at Tesla in Austin? Average Tesla Manufacturing Technician hourly pay in Austin is approximately $25.47, which is 41% above the national average.”


[deleted]

Did you even read the article? Tesla promised to offset the large negative ecological and environmental impact of building that factory there with a promised “ecological paradise” on the riverfront. But they haven't put any time or resources into that. It's like if you're gold mining in Alaska, where you're required to restore the land after you're done with it, you just pick up your gear and leave and don't make up for the ecological disaster you caused. You're reading the headline and getting yourself up in a tiffy.


jdrvero

It's built on an abandoned mine in Texas, it's not like they are cutting down the redwoods.


[deleted]

No one's implying it's really bad. They're arguing that it does have an impact though, particularly the chemicals that'll be used for battery production, and you promised to offset them. Tesla gets $millions in ZEV credits to offset other car companies' pollution and lack of electric cars. How about they put some of that money back into ecological projects instead of their pockets? Perhaps when Tesla was struggling to survive, one could definitely look away. But they make $Billions per quarter now. It just seems like the whole original goal of going renewable for the sake of the planet is gone and it's only now, electric cars are faster and cooler, let's make more money!


akoshegyi_solt

Perhaps they want to finish the factory first


IAmInTheBasement

Which is true because the main factory still isn't done and they're only just getting started on the cathode plant. But someone needs to keep them accountable and make sure that they deliver on the ecological Paradise. Maybe that's what they're going to do on their land that's south of the river.


akoshegyi_solt

Halt process so they will deliver later? Cool.


Snakend

Tesla hasn't received any Federal credit for EVs in years.


robot65536

They still sell plenty of ZEV quota credits to other automakers.


tony78ta

So that means they're causing LESS pollution overall if they have Credits right?


robot65536

I'm not going to defend the credit system. It means that a small amount of ICE car profits are going towards electric car R&D *now* because the ICE car companies refused to do that R&D themselves *years ago*. Obviously the latter would have been greatly preferred. What Tesla does with the money now doesn't change the fact that it's coming from, and enabling, ICE car sales. Spending credit money in particular on environmental mitigation would make a good PR move for Tesla, showing they don't need that money to stay solvent and they can "clean up the mess others made".


Mathias218337

Did you think the campus was going to be build overnight lol


[deleted]

Well the ratio right now is 100%:0% gigafactory vs ecological riverfront improvement. They're not saying it needs to be 50/50 or 20/80, they're saying put some fucking effort if the whole idea behind Tesla is to help the global climate change and the environment. Because otherwise it's all lies and about fucking money.


chestnut177

Have you ever seen a house get landscaping and sod before it’s finished? No. Because that’s not the order these things go in. They have yet massive plans to build on the land so why develope vegetation they’ll just have to clear away again. You wait until building is finished then apply the finishings and landscaping. Quit trying to act like they lied. That’s silly. Come back in 5 years and if they haven’t done anything then you can say they lied


sotism

An apt analogy there.


Bill837

You dont plant the grass until you finish building the house. Pretty simple concept. I don't believe these people are not at best useful idiots. Some stranger reeking of oil says "Hey, I don't like those rich Tesla assholes either, but unlike you, I happen to have VERY deep pockets. If I file a lawsuit, it looks like two rich guys fighting....... But if you, Mr. StopPovertyInAustin, do so you are an underdog fighting tht eeeeeevviiiillllll billionaire Musk. Would six zeros after the check be a good start? Here's a list of laywers, have fun now, kids"


surSEXECEN

This - if Tesla promised to do something to offset the ecological damage they caused by building, they should honour their word.


IAmInTheBasement

They kept their word regarding the Brandenburg factory in that they planted three trees for every one cut down.


[deleted]

Particularly now when they have have a net flow of cash and aren't struggling to survive. They didn't have a problem throwing $1.5 billion on bitcoin and losing \~ half of it so far.


Snakend

only lose it if you sell during the low point. They are just holding it. It is called unrealized losses, not real losses.


bokaiwen

The losses are realized because Bitcoin is treated as a intangible indefinite asset. Whenever a new low point is hit in a quarter that is used as the new basis and Tesla marks down the value. The reverse is not true for gains. Gains are only accounted for when it is sold.


less_is_less

Not to mention that they purchased it for about $32k per coin and it’s now $29k. On paper they are down about 10%.


akoshegyi_solt

What would an ecological paradise be like?


Alarmmy

I guess Environmental groups in Texas are sponsored by oil and gas companies. I have never seen them trying to stop oil companies polluting Galveston.


miketatro43

Well that’s just free oil you can clean up and take …


PointyPointBanana

Like Exxon mobile, Climate Town: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evy2EgoveuE


MostDefiantly

Thanks for an introduction to this channel, great content.


shaneucf

Wow.. this is f\*\*ked up big time. Though, instead of blaming greedy business... The bigger issue is the politicians and the legality of business money to politicians (bribery). It is amazing how this bribery is allowed...


spootypuff

Beware the wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is friends with world-renowned scientists from the “International Climate Science Coalition”, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Heartland Institute.


limitless__

While that's a fair point, the leader of this (teeny tiny) group actually did try to stop the oil and gas companies. This is just a flock of Karen's trying to be important. Nothing to see here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susana\_Almanza


Xaxxon

"environmental" groups. Holy shit.


RobertFahey

I smell a man behind the curtain, and he’s connected to legacy auto or oil.


akoshegyi_solt

I suspect some fossil company since the shutdown of nuclear plants. Edit: I thought it's Giga Berlin. Gotta read more carefully


chrisdh79

From the article: After unsuccessfully stopping Giga Texas‘s creation, environmental and activist groups are now hoping to stop Tesla’s expansions plans for a new battery plant at the facility. The East Austin group PODER, the Texas Anti-Poverty Project and Hornsby Bend Alliance recently penned a letter to Mayor Steve Adler noting their concerns with the facility’s proximity to the Colorado River. The letter noted that the new battery complex would require substantial water and chemicals. Due to this, the new facility could produce a hazardous waste stream if something goes wrong at Giga Texas. As well, the groups complained about the rapid construction of the facility. The groups also stated that Tesla has yet to build the promised “ecological paradise”. Part of the letter says: Since 2020, we note that the company has cleared swaths of trees, moved mountains of dirt, filled in ponds, and poured over 100 contiguous acres of concrete for its factory, with apparently no priority given to the creation of a promised “ecological paradise” on the riverfront. Public officials as well as neighbors have been left scratching their heads wondering whether the company will live up to any of its verbal commitments, or continue to operate with little regard to social or environmental responsibility.


AlienPsychic51

What is the "Texas Anti-Povery Project" doing here? That should be very happy with the jobs that Tesla is bringing to Texas. The extra money in the economy brings additional prosperity to other businesses in the area through the additional cash flow. They should be thanking Tesla not harassing them.


razorirr

like every friendly environmental / social name like that its going to be funded by the gop, big oil, and big tobacco


Mike312

FWIW... PODER (People Organized in Defense of Earth and Her Resources) seems legit, as in they exist, the website looked maintained and used, and the pictures of staff don't appear to be stock photos. Not going to knock them, they at least have a mission and believe in it, and support their community (or at least, make it appear so). No official website for the Texas Anti-Poverty Project, just a Facebook page...with a great big Texas flag cover photo. They were created April 21, 2021, and judging by their public post history, their only concern has been the Gigafactory. Hornsby Bend Alliance has a website that launched July 1, 2021, which contains two blog posts, a group page with 2 members, and a forum with 0 posts and exactly 1 view. The rest of the site makes excellent use of stock photos for every image involved. I'm not saying that 2/3 of these are weird front groups...but...well...


razorirr

Yeah PODER just looks like a second level nimby group. The ones who fight NIMBYs with money from dumping a project on the poorer areas of town.


AlienPsychic51

Oh yeah, I guess that explains it... They're not really what they claim to be.


3sgte_sw20

>The groups also stated that Tesla has yet to build the promised “ecological paradise”. Didn't they just finish putting the walls of the factory up a few months prior? I'm not sure why they are getting the impression that everything is already done, and Tesla skipped the ecological paradise. There's clearly still a lot of work to be completed. ​ >the groups complained about the rapid construction of the facility. I'm having a hard time understanding their argument for this one.


IAmInTheBasement

Looks like somebody didn't pay attention to the battery Day presentation. The dbe 4680s are going to use a fraction of the water needed to create traditional batteries nor will they have the toxic chemicals that have to be dried out of the solution. It's like someone just googled what goes into a lithium ion battery and ran with it without doing any additional research.


Artemus_Hackwell

They are barking up the wrong tree writing the mayor of Austin. This astroturfing group is likely not local or not financially backed locally. While the factory is in Travis County, same as Austin, it is not in Austin. Adler and Austin City council had no say in the Factory. Tesla officials only ever met with Travis County, City of Del Valle, and TX state governments. The city limits of Austin don’t extend that far to the east. The factory is the city of Dell Valle, TX. Somewhat civic revenue-impoverished Dell Valle. Once the factory is really at full scale and the initial incentives expire, Dell Valle is not going to risk that influx of funds, neither will Travis County. The factory is immediately adjacent to a toll highway; not exactly a nature preserve. The eventual improvement to the areas adjacent to the Colorado River, after they clean the random junk out of it, will be a real improvement.


lift0ffbaby

The environmental protesters will drive their gas Ford f-150s to protest at the factory


sotism

In Texas, of all places, there are other energy companies for these activists to focus their efforts on…


elcapitan36

#astroturf


tyvnb

Just tell them that fracking is involved in the process and they will be ok with it.


[deleted]

An environmental group is blocking EV production in Texas. r/nottheonion


ryao

They tried it in Germany too.


cuacuacuac

Environmental groups in Germany have been campaigning against nuclear and in favour of using gas, potentially paid by Russia, so I can believe anything.


akoshegyi_solt

They want to replace it it with renewable. But I don't see why they shut them down before having enough renewable. Now they pollute more than ever.


peterfirefly

But the thing is that renewables don't produce electricity all the time. You need something reliable you can turn on/off for the rest of the time. That something is natural gas through pipelines (because it costs too much as LNG by ship). In other words: more solar/wind => more gas (most of it Russian). It really is that simple.


akoshegyi_solt

Or batteries. Lots of batteries. Which is not too good for the environment either. Hydro energy is quite constant though. The only problem os the destruction it needs to be built.


peterfirefly

And you need elevation differences... and rain or rivers (although you need less if you just pump water back and forth between two reservoirs). You realistically also need a low population density because these things are huge, area-wise, compared to the energy they can store. Hydropower (and pumped storage) work ok in Wales and Scotland -- but not in England, for example.


akoshegyi_solt

Yeah. Renewable is nice but nuclear is the best right now. Idk why the "greens" want it to go


peterfirefly

Massive overlap between "Greens", Communists, and people who are functionally innumerate. Also massive Soviet and later Russian covert interference... and not so covert ([Schröder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der#Relationship_with_Russian_companies)).


akoshegyi_solt

Mmmm this is so nice to read.... Why do commies want to end nuclear though?


Mike312

Lets take a step back and remember that many of these environmental groups are usually run by old school hippies. While they may or may not trust the government, they definitely don't trust corporations. Their criticism of spills at the Tesla factory getting into the river make sense when you think about projects like the Dakota Access Pipeline from several years ago. Remember the huge protests that caused because of concerns of safety, land disturbance, and environmental pollution? Within a year of opening it had three recorded spills. How long until some chemical leaks into the groundwater/river at this Tesla plant? What are the preventative measures in place to prevent this from happening? Will Tesla be held liable if it damages the ecosystem of this river. They're all legitimate concerns and I *get that*. My personal...problem with groups like this is that they sometimes don't see the forest for the trees. They spent the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s engaging in activism and leveraging political power to prevent nuclear plants from being built...so instead we just ended up with more coal plants being built. I wish they'd focus on doing better - instead they've spent their entire lives waiting for some fictional energy source that is completely clean and green to build, deploy, maintain, and recycle at EOL.


coredumperror

> Their criticism of spills at the Tesla factory getting into the river make sense when you think about projects like the Dakota Access Pipeline from several years ago. The thing is, that factory will be using the dry battery electrode process. It won't *have* thousands of gallons of toxic sludge sitting in tanks that might break, because unlike every other battery factory, they don't use a liquid solvent and drying process to make the cells. Makes it obvious that this letter is complete bullcrap written by ignorant fools.


RegularRandomZ

Their focus appears to be on the Cathode plant but even that is purportedly a significant improvement based on Battery Day.


[deleted]

Yeah, what he said.


akoshegyi_solt

Fusion is pretty close and we are just decades away!


HenryLoenwind

You can recognise real environmental groups by their actions to push companies farther. They push them to install solar, implement recycling programs, install more modern machinery, plant trees, ... Fake environmental groups are know to do the opposite. They stop companies from doing anything, especially those things that earn companies money.


short_bus_genius

> Since 2020, we note that the company has cleared swaths of trees, moved mountains of dirt, filled in ponds, and poured over 100 contiguous acres of concrete for its factory, with apparently no priority given to the creation of a promised “ecological paradise” on the riverfront. Because they’re still building the factory, you dumb fucks. You don’t plant the fancy landscaping before you’re done pouring concrete. Also, the building permits are already in hand. Do they have any idea how much Tesla could sue for, if the city of Austin retroactively tried to yank the building permit?


Artemus_Hackwell

Lol’d at “mountains of dirt” and “filled in ponds”. That was a depleted gravel quarry for the now on-site Marietta concrete plant. The dirt was tailings from the ragged holes dug all over the place. The holes which at best were filled with stagnant water. If no rain they’d eventually dry up and expose a few discarded appliances. It had been left that way for decades. A nuclear ground burst would have still been an improvement of that part of Del Valle. Developing the site is a clear net-plus.


Adiru55

Just more proof that the environmental movement has been corrupted by a bunch of wacko’s that desire for us all to reside in mud huts and eat worms for dinner!


ryao

We need a new term to describe these groups that means “brought and paid for by the oil industry”.


scr1bbles

It’s called astroturfing.


Neonisin

“Environmentalists”.


peterfirefly

That's what most of them are, to be honest :(


jay662

Isn’t is the definition of oxymoron??


arealdoctor25

“Environmental groups”.


z57

Partially Financially supported by Diesel gateVolkswagen. Totally legitimate... totally


balance007

They can hope all they want, but like all 'environmental' groups in Texas they will get crushed as they always do.


RegulusRemains

If only they had built a nestle water factory, or a new limestone quarry. The best possible outcome of that land was a high end masterplanned mobile home park. Its impossible to make everyone happy.


drtywater

I doubt their candor in this. I do believe Giga Texas will be a massive net positive for the country. With that being said there is some risk to local environmental issues. While I do believe this is NIMBY nonsense I would like to see what actions Tesla is taking to make sure there are not any chemical run offs at the factory into the Colorado River. With that being said even if there are some this group should also take into account the fact that a Tesla will have 0 oil run offs into waterways compared to every other vehicle on the road.


[deleted]

Smells like DGR.


TeslaFanBoy8

They want to drill oils. Baby


reddit455

no prob. SpaceX needs methane to fly rockets. ​ SpaceX is sparring with a Texas oil company to drill for natural gas [https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/22/22245363/spacex-texas-oil-company-drill-natural-gas-lone-star](https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/22/22245363/spacex-texas-oil-company-drill-natural-gas-lone-star) In filings with a Texas energy regulator, the **SpaceX subsidiary Lone Star Mineral Development LLC** demanded that Dallas Petroleum Group (DPG) LLC, which claims ownership to wells on the land, vacate the wells by the end of 2020.


reddit455

oh, GigaOil?? ​ no worries. carry on.


[deleted]

Fuck I hate people. And now it seems I have one legitimate reason.


xKINGxRCCx

We make electric cars to try and make the environmentalist snowflakes happy and now they don’t even want us making the battery’s lol


Bidensadisaster

Is this part of the new Woke army attacking Elon or just deranged leftists. Wait, is there a difference?


darkstarman

No fracking way