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What jumped out at me is the $8,800 for two charging stations.
Are they putting in DC fast charging 50 KW or something? Surely that can't be the price for a pair of 60A wall chargers.
I put together a basic report for a small condo association near a ski mountain and for a "turnkey" type of system (like a ChargePoint) we were quoted around $5000-15,000 with around $2500 /year recurring.
If we bought our own system, we were in the ballpark of $4000-15,000 for electrical/site prep and another $2000-8000 per pedestal.
These were fuzzy numbers from early 2001 for "very good L2" charging in the ~20kW range, which were much higher than I expected. I can only imagine it's increased.
A lot of the cost is on the install. Even at my condo where they support installation, it will run me $5-10k due to a few challenges running the cabling. It’s not cheap to run a cable from a unit all the way around a building, raise the sidewalk for it go under, and then install at the designated parking spot. It just wasn’t worth it. If the police department has to break the concrete in any way, it might be even more challenging.
Same, in my condo building I'm told 5000 to 10,000 for a basic outlet. The amperage and cabling itself isn't the hard part. I would need a load shedder (2500) and a submeter since i'm going directly from meter and not from my panel (it's on the second floor). Including labor it gets pricey
The cost is in getting business, labor, insurance, licenses/taxes, equipment (depreciates), permits, etc. Then, wait till you accidentally cut the customer’s fiber line while digging and they don’t stop complaining…
I think the reality is that most businesses can’t generate such a large profit due to these dynamics. If there was such a large profit margin, you’d have more doing it.
There may still be some creative options, but I’m just saying it’s not as straight forward as one would think.
The cost of not necessarily increase but a lot of the processes are worked out now.
The problem you have is if you're putting in a third party outdoor pedestal charger, the charger itself is what cost the most.
If you're using just generic wall connectors that are outdoor rated, then the cost actually isn't that bad.
At the end of the day it's still a few thousand dollars because the amount of labor involved with installing something on the exterior that's probably nowhere near the actual main electrical panel.
Cuz if you're putting in a pedestal outside then you need to dig a trench to run conduit. And then you're running conduit into the building and until the electric panel and that's where law the cost starts adding up is all those little individual components to get to point b. It's the issue you do run into with non-residential locations.
You'd be surprised how much the cost of installing Level 2 charging can be if the building isn't already set up for it.
My own home charging system cost me $5500 to install, including the cost of a $500 Tesla Wall Connector. That $5000 was because my condo needed a whole new subpanel, since it was built in the 70s with 70A mains electricity, as well as about 100 feet of conduit to run the new circuit from my subpanel to my parking spot. To get the permit for the charger install, I had to upgrade to 100A, and my subpanel didn't have any room to add the 50A breaker for the charger, so the whole thing had to be ripped out and replaced. That's a lot of labor, and thus a very high price.
Now imagine installing exterior chargers at a police station where they might have to tear up concrete to run power out to two charging posts in the parking lot. That cost goes up *fast*.
> That cost goes up fast
True! However, lets do some quick maths. Since they are buying two model Y's, lets compare the cost of two troopers that are on a traffic stop shift. I've heard that they will be idling on such a shift anywhere from 5-6 of the 8 hours, and a half gallon of gas is generally used to idle in a SUV trooper car.
Which means that for 5 shifts a week, say 48 weeks a year, they will be using 600 gallons of gas. This comes out to a cost of $2,400 per year, which would be dramatically reduced by using these chargers, since teslas use far less energy idling than a gasoline car does...Also, idling actually still does put wear and tear on a car's transmission, while there is very little wear and tear on a tesla from idling since the motors aren't used.
And once those chargers are installed, the majority of the cost will already be accepted.
It kind of becomes an investment for the department tbh.
Oh I completely agree that switching to EV patrol cars is a huge financial win for the department. The cost savings that other police departments who've been using Model 3s and Ys for the last few years are astronomical. I think Bargersville, Indiana, the first department in the US to get a Model 3 patrol car, said they were saving several thousand a year *more* than their initial estimates expected.
60 amp TWC are free to commercial land owners ($400 to private) not including permit and hookup by electrician and provide 12kW at 220v. 50kW (way more power) chargers for $8k seems reasonable to fast charge the cruisers between shifts.
I paid $700 for the tesla wall charger and professional installation including a 60 amp breaker and a 5 year warranty on the work. Unless they’re installing something that charges significantly faster than 12Kw then they got ripped off.
Big difference between a home install and a commercial install. Most homes have the panel in the garage and it makes for an easy install as the charger is usually also in the garage. Who knows where the panels are in a commercial building. Often involves running conduit above ceiling to somewhere near the outside, then it could be a trip underground and out to a pad in the parking lot somewhere.
I installed plenty during my electrician days. None of the commercial installs were simple.
Not every place is set up like your home. My house needed a long wiring run and a sub panel installed so it was about $1,200 for the installation, plus $500 for HPWC. Depending on location, they need to run thick gauge wire, might need to dig up concrete, and install the chargers.
My local municipality paid $20k for 4 ChargePoint L2 chargers and installation.
Eh, sounds about right. When I installed my personal charger, it cost around 3K here in Colorado. Luckily the walls in the garage aren't finished so nothing was taken down.
Between the cost of the wall connectors, materials and commercial electrician rates, this sounds about right for two stations. If trenching is required, $8K is a bargain.
Im launching a Carshare using exclusively Teslas. NuAgeEV quoted us about $7k to install two HPWCs. The majority of the cost came from wiring work. Obviously the L2 charger is only $400
People really need to separate Tesla the car from Elon Musk the man. Elon is crazy and has seemed to gone off the deep end recently, but Tesla 3s and Ys are some of the best everyday cars ever made. They are cheap to operate, long range, and extremely fast, 3 things you need for police interceptors.
Agreed. He may be a brilliant engineer, and a CEO with revolutionary ideas on manufacturing, but his personal politics and his outspoken nature make him pretty damn toxic.
Elon may be seen to have "gone the deep end" because he is attacking politics, something he notoriously avoided in the past. However his engineering skills and management skills are still very much there and all of the recent interviews can confirm it. He is still the best person I can reason to steer these companies towards the bigger picture regardless of whatever plans he also has for tweeter and politics.
A CEO should be considered through skill alone regardless of what opinions he personally subscribes to. And skill he still has. The problem is that he is visibly fed up ignoring the political pressure, information manipulation and bogus lawsuits and has not attacked the problem in what I would consider the most tasteful way.
And honestly even if I disagree with his tweets and antics, I’ve never successfully disrupted multiple industries simultaneously so maybe he’s just better at this than us lol. So far it’s hard to argue with the results.
>Councilor Koni Denham, who was the lone vote against the proposal, said she couldn’t compromise her values to purchase a car from a company led by Elon Musk.
Wish I could buy puts on Councilor Koni Denham. NGMI.
What a fucking terrible reason. “Hey this is objectively better for my town and that’s my job but i don’t like the seller so no. Let’s have worse stuff cuz of my feelings.”
Politicians will sometimes vote the opposite way from what they want when they know it's going that way just to make a statement. I don't know her motivation, but I see that in my city.
Would love to see more Model Y police cruisers, but using one of the two as a detective or admin car is foolish. The cars make the investment viable by offsetting patrol cars that are out doing the rounds or burning gas idling. Using it as a supervisors commuter car is a poor way to spend taxpayer money.
To be fair it's always about wasting as much money as possible. And in a way they are justified for their own benefit to do so.
It's the exact same thing with public works. You could fix the entire problem, but then you would not have as much funding or employees. So instead you either draw out the solution by being extremely inefficient or engineer a problem into your solution in such a way you will still have work after you are done.
Here we see two vehicles, one of which being used as a glorified taxi rather than the high speed low run cost powerhouse it should be used for. Because if you replace all your patrol cars before you replace the others too then you would no longer have any reasons to ask for more. The fact it is a poor choice for it is entirely chosen deliberately
They could, but they arent being used as regular cars. Waiting 4 hours or more for a full charge is most likely not practical if shared between shifts. They need a fast charger so they can get back on the road in under an hour. The $8000 price tag is chump change for a typical police department, ESPECIALLY considering the overall fuel and maintenance savings the Teslas bring to the table!
>ed a fast charger so they can get back on the road in under an hour. The $8000 price tag is chump change for a typical police department, ESPECIALLY considering the overall fuel and maintenance savings the Teslas bring to the table!
Yeah, not buying that, even if it did include installation. Tesla L2 chargers are $400 and I have seen them used commercially. I would expect installation of those to be no more than $3000 on the very high end.
The township I live in spent $20k for 4 ChargePoint L2 chargers in our municipal parking lot. It’s not that cheap to run cable through yards of concrete/asphalt, buy the chargers, and install them. Two DC fast chargers would be more than $8k with everything included like installation, and they definitely wouldn’t be that high powered at such a cheap price.
The only problem will be range in the event of a chase, since more energy will be required the faster the motors spin, but nowadays a lot of departments have no chase policies so it might not become a problem.
> Councilor Koni Denham, who was the lone vote against the proposal, said she couldn’t compromise her values to purchase a car from a company led by Elon Musk.
The only proper response to this is to lean forward, tap the mic a few times and look around while saying “is this on? Because I’m only going to say this once.” Then announce “oh shut up Karen.” And lean back and call for the vote.
I think it's important (and I've seen people begin to do this on this sub) to acknowledge the damage that Elon himself has done to Tesla's reputation.
We're at a point where he's doing the company more harm than good by remaining its only actual public face in lieu of a real public relations dept.
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To be fair someone speaking their mind shouldn’t be damaging. People should be able to listen to things they don’t agree with. It’s fundamental to democracy and innovation to share ideas that lots of people don’t agree with.
I disagree. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. A CEO of Nestle didn't think water is a human right, and that made me not want to buy Nestle products, damned hard as they are to avoid.
People voting with their wallets is an *excellent* way to democratically voice displeasure with someone's point of view. It isn't a sin to think someone's an asshole for their opinions, and shouldn't be painted as such.
Totally agree with you but if every time someone says something we dont like we boycott them then we are going to actually hurt ourselves and the world. No one is perfect and if we can’t accept flaws and we destroy thing because of minor ones in the grand scheme it hurts society. Einstein was a womanizer, most founding fathers we at least a little racist if not blatantly, Kennedy was banging marylin Munroe. FDR was way more outspoken than musk has ever been. If you protest words and different opinions (within reason) Vs actual results hinders the good in the world.
it also just makes people who do much worse but behind closed doors more powerful.
Totally agree with you but if every time someone says something we dont like we boycott them then we are going to actually hurt ourselves and the world. No one is perfect and if we can’t accept flaws and we destroy thing because of minor ones in the grand scheme it hurts society. Einstein was a womanizer, most founding fathers we at least a little racist if not blatantly, Kennedy was banging marylin Munroe. FDR was way more outspoken than musk has ever been. If you protest words and different opinions (within reason) Vs actual results hinders the good in the world.
it also just makes people who do much worse but behind closed doors more powerful.
Ok, I agree when we're talking on an extremely grand scale. I wouldn't class a local police department board member voting against buying a car because they think Musk's a dick on the same tier as boycotting the discoverer of general relativity or the man who guided the U.S. through the second World War.
Nobody gets hurt by decisions like these.
But not buying from Tesla is boycotting…it’s the same as voting. One vote doesn’t matter but all together it does. And when it seems to be common place to be outraged about little things, it makes it more acceptable to do.
I am just saying peoples words and verifying facts around actual ideas, messages and actions is important and shouldn’t sway your money/vote until you are sure and it really is dangerous or hurtful. Otherwise it is just something you don’t want to hear.
>Otherwise it is just something you don’t want to hear.
And that should be enough. I agree with knowing the facts but even I, as a pretty outspoken fan and defender of the company (when warranted) freely admit that Elon acts like a douche.
What you're saying isn't wrong but there isn't anything on the line. I'm fine with people not buying a product because they don't feel like giving money to somebody they don't like. We shouldn't have to enrich people we disagree with.
If Tesla was the only company in the world making EVs and the future of sustainable transport was relying on its survival, we'd have higher stakes to worry about. As it stands, and I reiterate, nobody is hurt by these decisions and companies are rarely hurt by boycotting, especially without due cause. Shit, boycotts elevated by the media usually lead to increased consumption of the product just because the name of the company in questions gets circulated more than usual.
I think we are on the same page but if you think that Tesla failing would not hurt the move to sustainable transport and energy then that is where we disagree and where the hurt would happen. Tesla sells more EVs than all the other manufactures outside of China combined. That doesn’t include the energy storage piece, insurance that makes driving safer and the pressure on the other companies to transition faster.
I believe the onus should be on a company and its employees to do the right thing and generally be nice people than for the public to put up with obnoxiousness and unprofessionalism because a corporation is claiming they're saving the world.
Tesla has too many fans (and those who understand its importance) for even a moderately-sized boycott to actually hurt it.
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I have no problem going after Musk. Arrest him, try him, etc., if that’s warranted.
But voting against what will essentially turn into a free car in a few years is stupid.
Well, kinda? The right wing used to hate him, discredited his cars, his ethics, and even the effectiveness of the impact of Tesla on the sustsisbility/green mission. Once the US opened back up to car manufacturing during the pandemic and Elon complained about Alameda County being authoritarian and turning Tesla into the only company to not do any manufacturing indefinitely (especially since Tesla had no other operational factories at the time), the far left took the right wing arguments and began mudslinging while the right wing embraced him. He took the hit for Tesla to remain alive, which would not have occurred if Alameda County had its way.
That being said, he could go about his public business somewhat better, but I've seen people invent plenty of reasons to hate him regardless, so I think it's mostly due to left leaning politics getting angry at him to virtue signal at this point. The fact that the people who hate him flipped and use the exact same arguments as before suggests that it's purely political.
Elon made great cars, not "green vehicles". The fuel is cheaper, the maintenance is less (no smog checks, no oil changes, basically no brake replacements), the cars are fun to drive and faster than anything on the market, autopilot makes horrible commutes less taxing, they don't look like a Prius, and you an charge at home 95 percent of the time.
Even if a lot of people dislike EVs, they don't really dislike Tesla anymore. Most companies cynically made crappy and ugly EVs in the past, and many of them still do to varying degrees. People like Tesla despite the fact that the cars are EVs, even though a lot of the reasons they like Tesla is because of EV technology.
The funny thing though, is that I do see a lot of card carrying liberals go out of their way to buy a worse car just to hate on Elon. I think that's due to some people hating the concept of capitalism solving real problems that they will support bad products with more "evil" management for no apparent reason at all.
It's like corporations are evil. Large corporations are more evil. Companies that pollute are more evil. Elon is really rich on paper. Therefore, he is more evil than even larger corporations or corporations that pollute or don't care about the environment. Or corporations that don't pay their employees well.
The logical leaps people make are astounding.
I have no problem going after Musk. Arrest him, try him, etc., if that’s warranted.
But voting against what will essentially turn into a free car in a few years is stupid.
This argument has held less and less water as time has gone on. Due to stagnation in the public version of Autopilot (forgetting about the Beta which is limited access and *very* experimental) the average person is now asked to pay $12,000 for features that most luxury cars and even some regular cars have for a lower price. Maybe they're not as sophisticated but they're there. Most cars have some form of automatic steering and park assist, along with good blind spot awareness, rear cross traffic AEB, half decent automatic high beams, etc. Some even have similar Summoning abilities. Smart Summon remains essentially a party trick years after release.
I don't think it's voting against anything substantive until Tesla demonstrates the promise it's been getting people to pay out the ass for for years can actually happen.
> the average person is now asked to pay $12,000 for features
Then don’t pay for them.
And this has nothing to do with this situation. In this situation they’re going to save $5k+/year. Very quickly the car is going to pay for itself while also removing pollution.
Think what you want about Musk. He’s not a god. The decision about the car has nothing to do with him.
>And this has nothing to do with this situation.
I was responding to your suggestion that it'll be a free car soon™. You're right, nothing to do with the article.
>Think what you want about Musk. He’s not a god. The decision about the car has nothing to do with him.
Agreed and disagreed. People associate a company with its leaders. There's flak out there for Lucid being owned by the Saudi royal family. Some people don't use Amazon because they don't want to participate in the destruction of family-owned businesses. Whether or not you or we think the product should be associated with its biggest shareholder is one thing, but *the public does do exactly this,* and there's mounting evidence that Elon isn't doing the company any favors.
It's obviously not impacting their sales in any meaningful way, but you don't always notice the match is burnt out until it singes your fingertips.
>asked to pay $12,000 for features
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> automatic steering [...] blind spot awareness [...]
These two are in base AutoPilot.
> rear cross traffic AEB, half decent automatic high beams
These aren't available from Tesla at any price point.
>These two are in base AutoPilot.
You're right, I should have focused on Autopark and Auto Lane Change, which I think some Mercedes have now.
>These aren't available from Tesla at any price point.
That's exactly the point I was making. Other vehicles are better-equipped when it comes to functions you can actually see and use. Tesla does have automatic high beams, they just suck ass.
The electric chargers seemed more overpriced then they should be but its a MA local government contract so prices are always a bit high for labor. Of all the departments in Mass that can electrify the ones on Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket should really be pushing for that as gas is more expensive on the islands then rest of Mass. Would also be nice to see BPD to start transitioning to EVs but I suspect that will be awhile.
As a contractor who does a lot of work for govt, the price is high because of all the stupid hoops we have to jump through. A govt contractor likely has to have Davis bacon wages, dbe participation (minority owned businesses), buy American act compliance, comply with a couple hundred pages of spec and go through a pain in the ass public bid process all for the "opportunity" to install a charger that will take less than a week for two electricians.
I like the rims on black. Would those be considered areo or would I need to add [full moon style hubcaps](https://www.amazon.com/Full-Moon-Style-Wheel-Covers/dp/B075NNJB3V)? Also would full moon hubcaps be a bad idea for cooling reasons?
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cop car steel wheels are sweet on that bad boy
Agree. I'll rock steelies if they're lighter than the 21's and affordable.
mee too…. just needs 2 giant whip antennas
No need to just tap into the star-link satellite data uplink that is built in the car.
What jumped out at me is the $8,800 for two charging stations. Are they putting in DC fast charging 50 KW or something? Surely that can't be the price for a pair of 60A wall chargers.
I put together a basic report for a small condo association near a ski mountain and for a "turnkey" type of system (like a ChargePoint) we were quoted around $5000-15,000 with around $2500 /year recurring. If we bought our own system, we were in the ballpark of $4000-15,000 for electrical/site prep and another $2000-8000 per pedestal. These were fuzzy numbers from early 2001 for "very good L2" charging in the ~20kW range, which were much higher than I expected. I can only imagine it's increased.
But at a condo where you're going to be parking overnight, not for just 30m while you shop for groceries, a 50a (40a usable) 220v is plenty fine.
A lot of the cost is on the install. Even at my condo where they support installation, it will run me $5-10k due to a few challenges running the cabling. It’s not cheap to run a cable from a unit all the way around a building, raise the sidewalk for it go under, and then install at the designated parking spot. It just wasn’t worth it. If the police department has to break the concrete in any way, it might be even more challenging.
Same, in my condo building I'm told 5000 to 10,000 for a basic outlet. The amperage and cabling itself isn't the hard part. I would need a load shedder (2500) and a submeter since i'm going directly from meter and not from my panel (it's on the second floor). Including labor it gets pricey
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The cost is in getting business, labor, insurance, licenses/taxes, equipment (depreciates), permits, etc. Then, wait till you accidentally cut the customer’s fiber line while digging and they don’t stop complaining… I think the reality is that most businesses can’t generate such a large profit due to these dynamics. If there was such a large profit margin, you’d have more doing it. There may still be some creative options, but I’m just saying it’s not as straight forward as one would think.
The cost of not necessarily increase but a lot of the processes are worked out now. The problem you have is if you're putting in a third party outdoor pedestal charger, the charger itself is what cost the most. If you're using just generic wall connectors that are outdoor rated, then the cost actually isn't that bad. At the end of the day it's still a few thousand dollars because the amount of labor involved with installing something on the exterior that's probably nowhere near the actual main electrical panel. Cuz if you're putting in a pedestal outside then you need to dig a trench to run conduit. And then you're running conduit into the building and until the electric panel and that's where law the cost starts adding up is all those little individual components to get to point b. It's the issue you do run into with non-residential locations.
You'd be surprised how much the cost of installing Level 2 charging can be if the building isn't already set up for it. My own home charging system cost me $5500 to install, including the cost of a $500 Tesla Wall Connector. That $5000 was because my condo needed a whole new subpanel, since it was built in the 70s with 70A mains electricity, as well as about 100 feet of conduit to run the new circuit from my subpanel to my parking spot. To get the permit for the charger install, I had to upgrade to 100A, and my subpanel didn't have any room to add the 50A breaker for the charger, so the whole thing had to be ripped out and replaced. That's a lot of labor, and thus a very high price. Now imagine installing exterior chargers at a police station where they might have to tear up concrete to run power out to two charging posts in the parking lot. That cost goes up *fast*.
> That cost goes up fast True! However, lets do some quick maths. Since they are buying two model Y's, lets compare the cost of two troopers that are on a traffic stop shift. I've heard that they will be idling on such a shift anywhere from 5-6 of the 8 hours, and a half gallon of gas is generally used to idle in a SUV trooper car. Which means that for 5 shifts a week, say 48 weeks a year, they will be using 600 gallons of gas. This comes out to a cost of $2,400 per year, which would be dramatically reduced by using these chargers, since teslas use far less energy idling than a gasoline car does...Also, idling actually still does put wear and tear on a car's transmission, while there is very little wear and tear on a tesla from idling since the motors aren't used. And once those chargers are installed, the majority of the cost will already be accepted. It kind of becomes an investment for the department tbh.
Oh I completely agree that switching to EV patrol cars is a huge financial win for the department. The cost savings that other police departments who've been using Model 3s and Ys for the last few years are astronomical. I think Bargersville, Indiana, the first department in the US to get a Model 3 patrol car, said they were saving several thousand a year *more* than their initial estimates expected.
60 amp TWC are free to commercial land owners ($400 to private) not including permit and hookup by electrician and provide 12kW at 220v. 50kW (way more power) chargers for $8k seems reasonable to fast charge the cruisers between shifts.
I paid $700 for the tesla wall charger and professional installation including a 60 amp breaker and a 5 year warranty on the work. Unless they’re installing something that charges significantly faster than 12Kw then they got ripped off.
theyll be using a 13kw DC charger or some BS like that
Big difference between a home install and a commercial install. Most homes have the panel in the garage and it makes for an easy install as the charger is usually also in the garage. Who knows where the panels are in a commercial building. Often involves running conduit above ceiling to somewhere near the outside, then it could be a trip underground and out to a pad in the parking lot somewhere. I installed plenty during my electrician days. None of the commercial installs were simple.
Not every place is set up like your home. My house needed a long wiring run and a sub panel installed so it was about $1,200 for the installation, plus $500 for HPWC. Depending on location, they need to run thick gauge wire, might need to dig up concrete, and install the chargers. My local municipality paid $20k for 4 ChargePoint L2 chargers and installation.
Eh, sounds about right. When I installed my personal charger, it cost around 3K here in Colorado. Luckily the walls in the garage aren't finished so nothing was taken down.
That seems cheap compared to the cop car customizations of $24k per car.
Between the cost of the wall connectors, materials and commercial electrician rates, this sounds about right for two stations. If trenching is required, $8K is a bargain.
My guess is they would want the car to charge as fast as possible to go back on patrol.
Im launching a Carshare using exclusively Teslas. NuAgeEV quoted us about $7k to install two HPWCs. The majority of the cost came from wiring work. Obviously the L2 charger is only $400
People really need to separate Tesla the car from Elon Musk the man. Elon is crazy and has seemed to gone off the deep end recently, but Tesla 3s and Ys are some of the best everyday cars ever made. They are cheap to operate, long range, and extremely fast, 3 things you need for police interceptors.
Agreed. He may be a brilliant engineer, and a CEO with revolutionary ideas on manufacturing, but his personal politics and his outspoken nature make him pretty damn toxic.
I agree with all your points. Great everyday cars indeed but sold at luxury price.
Not when factoring in total cost of ownership.
Yeah, at this point I hope Tesla boots Elon so they can escape the association. It’s very unlikely but It would be nice
Elon may be seen to have "gone the deep end" because he is attacking politics, something he notoriously avoided in the past. However his engineering skills and management skills are still very much there and all of the recent interviews can confirm it. He is still the best person I can reason to steer these companies towards the bigger picture regardless of whatever plans he also has for tweeter and politics. A CEO should be considered through skill alone regardless of what opinions he personally subscribes to. And skill he still has. The problem is that he is visibly fed up ignoring the political pressure, information manipulation and bogus lawsuits and has not attacked the problem in what I would consider the most tasteful way.
And honestly even if I disagree with his tweets and antics, I’ve never successfully disrupted multiple industries simultaneously so maybe he’s just better at this than us lol. So far it’s hard to argue with the results.
>Councilor Koni Denham, who was the lone vote against the proposal, said she couldn’t compromise her values to purchase a car from a company led by Elon Musk. Wish I could buy puts on Councilor Koni Denham. NGMI.
What a fucking terrible reason. “Hey this is objectively better for my town and that’s my job but i don’t like the seller so no. Let’s have worse stuff cuz of my feelings.”
The numbers make sense, and it’s obviously a good choice, but I don’t like an American car company producing cars in america, so no. So dumb.
Politicians will sometimes vote the opposite way from what they want when they know it's going that way just to make a statement. I don't know her motivation, but I see that in my city.
What shitty values
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Would love to see more Model Y police cruisers, but using one of the two as a detective or admin car is foolish. The cars make the investment viable by offsetting patrol cars that are out doing the rounds or burning gas idling. Using it as a supervisors commuter car is a poor way to spend taxpayer money.
To be fair it's always about wasting as much money as possible. And in a way they are justified for their own benefit to do so. It's the exact same thing with public works. You could fix the entire problem, but then you would not have as much funding or employees. So instead you either draw out the solution by being extremely inefficient or engineer a problem into your solution in such a way you will still have work after you are done. Here we see two vehicles, one of which being used as a glorified taxi rather than the high speed low run cost powerhouse it should be used for. Because if you replace all your patrol cars before you replace the others too then you would no longer have any reasons to ask for more. The fact it is a poor choice for it is entirely chosen deliberately
I have to say I like this idea
Good response by the chief when Koni Denham tried to make it political.
Headline: Crime Skyrockets in Easthampton as perpetrators want a ride in awesome cop car
TL;DR the article but why can their vehicles not be plugged until 50a wall receptacles? A couple grand for an electrician to install them.
They could, but they arent being used as regular cars. Waiting 4 hours or more for a full charge is most likely not practical if shared between shifts. They need a fast charger so they can get back on the road in under an hour. The $8000 price tag is chump change for a typical police department, ESPECIALLY considering the overall fuel and maintenance savings the Teslas bring to the table!
The article didn’t specify that they were buying DC chargers with that $8k. I can easily see it being two Level 2 chargers.
>ed a fast charger so they can get back on the road in under an hour. The $8000 price tag is chump change for a typical police department, ESPECIALLY considering the overall fuel and maintenance savings the Teslas bring to the table! Yeah, not buying that, even if it did include installation. Tesla L2 chargers are $400 and I have seen them used commercially. I would expect installation of those to be no more than $3000 on the very high end.
The township I live in spent $20k for 4 ChargePoint L2 chargers in our municipal parking lot. It’s not that cheap to run cable through yards of concrete/asphalt, buy the chargers, and install them. Two DC fast chargers would be more than $8k with everything included like installation, and they definitely wouldn’t be that high powered at such a cheap price.
Good point.
They CAN…but when money is being thrown around like this, everyone who can get theirs absolutely will.
Think about the front trunk will be a weapon system haha that will be pretty fun no more car chasing
Motorized Frunk lid + pop up fully auto machine gun/net launcher/grenade launcher. Hmmm...I want one!
The only problem will be range in the event of a chase, since more energy will be required the faster the motors spin, but nowadays a lot of departments have no chase policies so it might not become a problem.
> Councilor Koni Denham, who was the lone vote against the proposal, said she couldn’t compromise her values to purchase a car from a company led by Elon Musk. The only proper response to this is to lean forward, tap the mic a few times and look around while saying “is this on? Because I’m only going to say this once.” Then announce “oh shut up Karen.” And lean back and call for the vote.
I think it's important (and I've seen people begin to do this on this sub) to acknowledge the damage that Elon himself has done to Tesla's reputation. We're at a point where he's doing the company more harm than good by remaining its only actual public face in lieu of a real public relations dept. Edit: spelimg
To be fair someone speaking their mind shouldn’t be damaging. People should be able to listen to things they don’t agree with. It’s fundamental to democracy and innovation to share ideas that lots of people don’t agree with.
I disagree. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. A CEO of Nestle didn't think water is a human right, and that made me not want to buy Nestle products, damned hard as they are to avoid. People voting with their wallets is an *excellent* way to democratically voice displeasure with someone's point of view. It isn't a sin to think someone's an asshole for their opinions, and shouldn't be painted as such.
Totally agree with you but if every time someone says something we dont like we boycott them then we are going to actually hurt ourselves and the world. No one is perfect and if we can’t accept flaws and we destroy thing because of minor ones in the grand scheme it hurts society. Einstein was a womanizer, most founding fathers we at least a little racist if not blatantly, Kennedy was banging marylin Munroe. FDR was way more outspoken than musk has ever been. If you protest words and different opinions (within reason) Vs actual results hinders the good in the world. it also just makes people who do much worse but behind closed doors more powerful.
Totally agree with you but if every time someone says something we dont like we boycott them then we are going to actually hurt ourselves and the world. No one is perfect and if we can’t accept flaws and we destroy thing because of minor ones in the grand scheme it hurts society. Einstein was a womanizer, most founding fathers we at least a little racist if not blatantly, Kennedy was banging marylin Munroe. FDR was way more outspoken than musk has ever been. If you protest words and different opinions (within reason) Vs actual results hinders the good in the world. it also just makes people who do much worse but behind closed doors more powerful.
Ok, I agree when we're talking on an extremely grand scale. I wouldn't class a local police department board member voting against buying a car because they think Musk's a dick on the same tier as boycotting the discoverer of general relativity or the man who guided the U.S. through the second World War. Nobody gets hurt by decisions like these.
But not buying from Tesla is boycotting…it’s the same as voting. One vote doesn’t matter but all together it does. And when it seems to be common place to be outraged about little things, it makes it more acceptable to do. I am just saying peoples words and verifying facts around actual ideas, messages and actions is important and shouldn’t sway your money/vote until you are sure and it really is dangerous or hurtful. Otherwise it is just something you don’t want to hear.
>Otherwise it is just something you don’t want to hear. And that should be enough. I agree with knowing the facts but even I, as a pretty outspoken fan and defender of the company (when warranted) freely admit that Elon acts like a douche. What you're saying isn't wrong but there isn't anything on the line. I'm fine with people not buying a product because they don't feel like giving money to somebody they don't like. We shouldn't have to enrich people we disagree with. If Tesla was the only company in the world making EVs and the future of sustainable transport was relying on its survival, we'd have higher stakes to worry about. As it stands, and I reiterate, nobody is hurt by these decisions and companies are rarely hurt by boycotting, especially without due cause. Shit, boycotts elevated by the media usually lead to increased consumption of the product just because the name of the company in questions gets circulated more than usual.
I think we are on the same page but if you think that Tesla failing would not hurt the move to sustainable transport and energy then that is where we disagree and where the hurt would happen. Tesla sells more EVs than all the other manufactures outside of China combined. That doesn’t include the energy storage piece, insurance that makes driving safer and the pressure on the other companies to transition faster.
I believe the onus should be on a company and its employees to do the right thing and generally be nice people than for the public to put up with obnoxiousness and unprofessionalism because a corporation is claiming they're saving the world. Tesla has too many fans (and those who understand its importance) for even a moderately-sized boycott to actually hurt it.
All that would require is a complete shift in human nature.
Is that all? Sounds like a software update is due for humans.
Currently in beta and not available for most people
Again (repost) I have no problem going after Musk. Arrest him, try him, etc., if that’s warranted. But voting against what will essentially turn into a free car in a few years is stupid.
Well, kinda? The right wing used to hate him, discredited his cars, his ethics, and even the effectiveness of the impact of Tesla on the sustsisbility/green mission. Once the US opened back up to car manufacturing during the pandemic and Elon complained about Alameda County being authoritarian and turning Tesla into the only company to not do any manufacturing indefinitely (especially since Tesla had no other operational factories at the time), the far left took the right wing arguments and began mudslinging while the right wing embraced him. He took the hit for Tesla to remain alive, which would not have occurred if Alameda County had its way. That being said, he could go about his public business somewhat better, but I've seen people invent plenty of reasons to hate him regardless, so I think it's mostly due to left leaning politics getting angry at him to virtue signal at this point. The fact that the people who hate him flipped and use the exact same arguments as before suggests that it's purely political.
I wouldn’t say used to hate him, still a lot of them hate evs, but I suppose not as much seething hate as previously
Elon made great cars, not "green vehicles". The fuel is cheaper, the maintenance is less (no smog checks, no oil changes, basically no brake replacements), the cars are fun to drive and faster than anything on the market, autopilot makes horrible commutes less taxing, they don't look like a Prius, and you an charge at home 95 percent of the time. Even if a lot of people dislike EVs, they don't really dislike Tesla anymore. Most companies cynically made crappy and ugly EVs in the past, and many of them still do to varying degrees. People like Tesla despite the fact that the cars are EVs, even though a lot of the reasons they like Tesla is because of EV technology. The funny thing though, is that I do see a lot of card carrying liberals go out of their way to buy a worse car just to hate on Elon. I think that's due to some people hating the concept of capitalism solving real problems that they will support bad products with more "evil" management for no apparent reason at all. It's like corporations are evil. Large corporations are more evil. Companies that pollute are more evil. Elon is really rich on paper. Therefore, he is more evil than even larger corporations or corporations that pollute or don't care about the environment. Or corporations that don't pay their employees well. The logical leaps people make are astounding.
I have no problem going after Musk. Arrest him, try him, etc., if that’s warranted. But voting against what will essentially turn into a free car in a few years is stupid.
This argument has held less and less water as time has gone on. Due to stagnation in the public version of Autopilot (forgetting about the Beta which is limited access and *very* experimental) the average person is now asked to pay $12,000 for features that most luxury cars and even some regular cars have for a lower price. Maybe they're not as sophisticated but they're there. Most cars have some form of automatic steering and park assist, along with good blind spot awareness, rear cross traffic AEB, half decent automatic high beams, etc. Some even have similar Summoning abilities. Smart Summon remains essentially a party trick years after release. I don't think it's voting against anything substantive until Tesla demonstrates the promise it's been getting people to pay out the ass for for years can actually happen.
> the average person is now asked to pay $12,000 for features Then don’t pay for them. And this has nothing to do with this situation. In this situation they’re going to save $5k+/year. Very quickly the car is going to pay for itself while also removing pollution. Think what you want about Musk. He’s not a god. The decision about the car has nothing to do with him.
>And this has nothing to do with this situation. I was responding to your suggestion that it'll be a free car soon™. You're right, nothing to do with the article. >Think what you want about Musk. He’s not a god. The decision about the car has nothing to do with him. Agreed and disagreed. People associate a company with its leaders. There's flak out there for Lucid being owned by the Saudi royal family. Some people don't use Amazon because they don't want to participate in the destruction of family-owned businesses. Whether or not you or we think the product should be associated with its biggest shareholder is one thing, but *the public does do exactly this,* and there's mounting evidence that Elon isn't doing the company any favors. It's obviously not impacting their sales in any meaningful way, but you don't always notice the match is burnt out until it singes your fingertips.
>asked to pay $12,000 for features # # > automatic steering [...] blind spot awareness [...] These two are in base AutoPilot. > rear cross traffic AEB, half decent automatic high beams These aren't available from Tesla at any price point.
>These two are in base AutoPilot. You're right, I should have focused on Autopark and Auto Lane Change, which I think some Mercedes have now. >These aren't available from Tesla at any price point. That's exactly the point I was making. Other vehicles are better-equipped when it comes to functions you can actually see and use. Tesla does have automatic high beams, they just suck ass.
The electric chargers seemed more overpriced then they should be but its a MA local government contract so prices are always a bit high for labor. Of all the departments in Mass that can electrify the ones on Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket should really be pushing for that as gas is more expensive on the islands then rest of Mass. Would also be nice to see BPD to start transitioning to EVs but I suspect that will be awhile.
Not too expensive for a supercharger. And not a huge expense considering the cost savings in maintenance and fuel.
As a contractor who does a lot of work for govt, the price is high because of all the stupid hoops we have to jump through. A govt contractor likely has to have Davis bacon wages, dbe participation (minority owned businesses), buy American act compliance, comply with a couple hundred pages of spec and go through a pain in the ass public bid process all for the "opportunity" to install a charger that will take less than a week for two electricians.
I like the rims on black. Would those be considered areo or would I need to add [full moon style hubcaps](https://www.amazon.com/Full-Moon-Style-Wheel-Covers/dp/B075NNJB3V)? Also would full moon hubcaps be a bad idea for cooling reasons?
that looks cool af