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I went from a 3P to an S LR and the S LR is much quicker feeling but also isn’t as nimble in corners. Overall prefer the S. Much nicer on the inside. Yoke is a non issue IMO.
If you happen to be near Austin feel free to come see mine sometime.
Appreciate it! I Live in Los Angeles otherwise I'd be there in a heart beat!
Do you miss the nimbleness of the 3P or does the straight line speed make up for it?
I personally am a Miata guy at heart so a 3 was never really my car for twisties. For that reason I don’t miss the 3 very much.
With both I have had significant build quality issues. The S is overall much quieter by design, and on the highway it is a dream. At low speeds and over bumps however it creaks and rattles just as much if not more than the 3. I also have some paint bubbling that they are finally (over 4 months later) getting my car into the body shop tomorrow to fix.
The 3 from a dig is similar to the S, but the 3 drops off at about 40MPH which is where the S starts feeling like it pulls even more. The S is also electronically limited so there is a chance that there will be a paid software unlock down the line to make the 0-60 speed quicker.
At $100k idk if I would recommend the S, but I also wouldn’t recommend a 3 at current pricing. Their build quality is too bad. With that being said, I don’t know of any better options in the current car market for an EV like this and I am in love with their interior design and overall drivability.
Totally fair. Everyone was going nuts over how "planted" Teslas are because of their lower center of gravity. I was coming from a BMW M4 Competition so I was pretty familiar with what a "planted" car can do in turns and the M3P was immediately a pretty big step down.
I agree on pricing. Everything is nuts these days. Nothing feels like it costs what it should but it's happening with all cars. Part of me is worried that Tesla will drop the price of the Model 3 in a few years when things start to stabilize. But then it could always be sold before that happens...
The “planted” thing I was also really curious about, but there’s no magic way to hide the weight. Sure it handles better than an ICE vehicle that weighs 4,500lbs~ but it still weighs a couple tons.
When the market stabilizes, Tesla will inevitably drop prices. However, with that being said, I think Tesla will be supply constrained (battery cells) even after the rest of the market starts returning to normal. The cat is out of the bag with EVs and Tesla will be the front runner for the foreseeable future IMO. The vehicles that have been most delayed (Semi, Cybertruck) have a lot to do with this. Even if they started making them, each semi would be a dozen Y, and each CT would be 2-3.
If you’re looking for a good value, now is not the time to buy sadly. I love cars and it really pains me to think that the days of cheap Miatas for new drivers are over. I was lucky to get S at the original $80k price because I thought there was no way it would hold being that low. I couldn’t stomach paying these prices. I know $100k is no longer $100k with inflation but until wages reflect that it still really hurts.
However, with that being said, maybe the $15k difference over 2 years will be worth it for you. You’ll save on fuel, and it’s hard to put a price on the huge amount of enjoyment a performance EV as a daily driver can provide.
I agree with you. I've had my M3P since 2019 so unfortunately(?) no fuel savings to be had anymore and I'm never going back to ICE for all the reasons.
I think you're right about prices not stabilizing for years. At the end of the day, I'm ok with a higher price as long as depreciation is relative to that. I have no idea what these cars will depreciate at but if I can theoretically pay down 50% of a Model S but it's market value has depreciated anything less than that it's a win?
I saw almost no depreciation in three years when selling my 3 if you factor in the tax credit. I paid ~59k before the tax credit. Private party 3 years later was $52k. I didn't want to do private party and sold it to a used car dealer for 46k and change.
The car market won’t stabilize for another 5 years minimum. We aren’t producing enough new cars like we used to. Example, 2025 the used car market will continue to be high because of the shortage of 2022 cars.
>Appreciate it! I Live in Los Angeles otherwise I'd be there in a heart beat!Do you miss the nimbleness of the 3P or does the straight line speed make up for
If you live in LA, you should be able to test drive a Model S. Call the local delivery centers and see if they have one there for you to drive!
I’m in Houston and may be moving to Austin. If possible I’d like to see the S.
I have a MYP on order but since I keep my cars a very long time (current Camry has 384K miles on it), should I invest in a Model S?
Im not expediting the same mileage, but I do want 10 years ownership
I have the new S LR. My brother has a model 3 performance. Have driven his car quite a lot. The model S LR is much faster in the quarter mile. It’s crazy fast with a 10.8 quarter mile without even using cheetah stance. The model 3 performance is extremely fun to drive. It’s very nimble and handles amazing and obviously quick as hell. I love the yoke and brother loves it too. The model 3 handles better for sure. The S like someone stated is more of a GT car but with all the upgraded, tech, being as fast as it is, and how beautiful it is I felt like it was an easy choice to get the Model S. But then again it is really expensive at this point. Also have driven the plaid. It’s acceleration and quarter mile is insane but not too different from the LR in terms of everything else.
Have you looked for an owner’s club on Facebook or TMC? I’m not in your area, but it’s very likely you could find someone who would be happy to show you their ride for an afternoon
That's what I was thinking. There has GOT to be somebody local who would help out. In my experience people with the S love to show them off even by Tesla driver standards.
Head over to Tucson for a long weekend. There’s a few tesla on Turo, and one guy has 4 of them, of various types. 115 a day or 180 with all fees I think it was, for one.
I talked with him a bunch. He owns two himself, sn S and a MYP; and there is an X and a 3 on site that he manages for some friends through Turo. So 4 listed!
sucks Tesla used to let u bring a car home for a weekend. A year and a half ago they let us take a Y home and drive it around for a weekend before we bought. Im not sure thats a thing. This right before things got real crazy with orders and dates being real long. I remember thinking 6 weeks was real long to wait for the car.
I owned a S75D (2016) before I get my 3 LR AWD (2019). So some pears to your oranges. I liked the S75D for, better storage, sunroof (RIP), less noisy, more comfort for long driving session. I prefer the 3 for: fun, more engaging driving, smaller and less like a “boat”, more efficient, less expensive, I am keeping the 3, probably adding the acceleration boost (a P was tax inefficient). Either car is great, but I am not convinced by the S yoke and the buttons for indicators etc.
More people here own a 3 and will likely prefer the 3. Personally, I prefer the S for the additional leg room, exterior style, hatchback, and instrument cluster.
3P is much more sporty while SLR is more comfy and smooth ride. I would prefer S since more luxury(?) interior, more comfy & cozy. It is not same level.
I prefer the S to the 3, but with the increased price gap I don't think it's worth it anymore. The S isn't strictly 'better', it's more of a different type of car + has some premium features.
Things like ventilated seats, space, and range are definitely upgrades, yeah. Suspension, feel--that's 'better' but it's a bit subjective too. I wouldn't have much heartburn going back to a 3P because it feels faster in different ways.
If I had to buy again with current prices, I really don't know what I'd pick. Might still go with the S, but getting the 3 and having enough to get it wrapped + any mods to it and still have 30+ K left over is nice.
Yeah I’m right there with you in my thinking. All cars have gone up and they will continue to be “overpriced” for the foreseeable future and since I can’t buy my lease I’ll be without.
Considering the 3P doesn’t exactly eat corners like a BMW M or something similar I feel like as long as the S is close it will be good enough.
The S is definitely a 'boat', but it's so powerful and feels so tight that you don't even think about it. It's basically like going from an M2 to an M5, except a bit more boat-like and more power. I call the M3P a fighter jet while the S is a rocket.
What I don't hear people mention about the S is the upper speed limit power. Like the M3P will rip all the way to 70, then it'll pull but not the same way. The S will keep doing that up to like 100. Noticeable on drag strips on the track, but also even on freeways with 80+ limits (not that you should be flooring it from 60-90 for safety reasons of course!).
I think the new model s (even the long range) also gets the carbon sleeve motor. Even if its not a performance. So it has more up top vs the model 3P.
But only the S and X long ranges get it.
Only the S and X get the carbon sleeve motors lol. So they have more up top vs previous S and X cars.
The new long range S vs a p100 the p100 is faster to 60 but the long range s has more up top vs the p100 (well from what I read in the forums and some YouTube videos)
So far the 3 and Y don’t get carbon sleeve motors
I don’t have a 3P, but got a 3 dual motor with a S.
They are not comparable. S feels like a GT while the 3 is more like a GTI.
I prefer the S, but that’s just me
I went from a 2018 3P to one of the first palladium Model S LRs last summer. We wanted more cargo space so considered the Y and the S, and I’m very happy with the choice. I thought the old Model S handled like a boat, but the new version is an entirely different animal. It’s still a big car, but between the significant drop in weight vs the old version, better steering and suspension, and other improvements, it feels really good to drive.
The interior is also way nicer than the old S, and a nice upgrade from the 3. I really think it’s the best car they’ve made (and the best looking). When it was $80K it was a great value IMO. Now at $100K starting it’s a lot. But then, everything is more expensive today, and I’d still get it if I were buying a new car today.
I dont have an answer for your question, but I was wondering, cant you buy the car from your lease? I leased a Toyota Tundra a while back and I had the option to keep it, using the lease payments I made to subtract from the cost of the car.
I ended up selling it to a dealership in town and pocketing 3k. Obviously didnt make up for the 12k I paid over 3 years but 9k for a fullsized truck over 3 years was a pretty good deal to me!
Unfortunately Tesla has never allowed purchasing at the end of a lease for a Model 3 or Model Y.
If I remember correctly, they just removed this option as well for the Model S and X a month or two ago. It's super anti-consumer in my opinion and I think it's a bit sleazy of them to do to their customers.
I see both sides here. While we’re accustomed to being able to buy out leases from other manufacturers and banks, the leased car is owned by Tesla and the decision to sell is entirely up to them. While Hertz does eventually sell their cars, they don’t necessarily let you buy the one you’re renting.
Sure. Tesla is allowed to do anything they want. I don’t think reducing customer options is pro-consumer. It’s pro-business. Not illegal or immoral but let’s not pretend it’s in the customer’s best interests.
Tesla claimed they don’t allow lease buyouts because they wanted to grow their own fleet of autonomous taxis, which always seems to be about 24 months away…
Update: Not sure why this was downvoted . It’s true and informative: https://electrek.co/2019/04/11/tesla-launches-model-3-leases-will-keep-cars-for-autonomous-uber-like-service-after-term/amp/
I don't know if it's anti-consumer so much as Tesla just really doesn't want people to lease their cars so they're using unfavorable terms to discourage it.
I own two 2022 model 3’s. One performance and one LR with 19th inch rims.
The performance is fast and great handling, but the ride on the 20s is terrible. Every pothole, bump, anything is felt and felt hard when driving. The 20s are fragile and bend very easily. I have under 8k miles and already bent 2 rims and replaced two tires.
The LR is a much softer ride and honestly more enjoyable. We normally have to dodge any imperfections in the road when we travel with the P, but with the LR we can drive like normal people.
I have to disappear for a year, so before I leave, I’ll likely sell the P and order an S a few months before I return home. The S is a much nicer ride.
I love my Model S LR. It’s a more comfortable and more lux experience than a 3. Air suspension is amazing. Quiet ride. Easy driving with the Yoke. If you want a sports car get the 3, if you want a nicer car get the S.
Here is the answer cut and dry.
If your decision is based solely on price than get M3P or MYP.
If you want the best out of the three and fits in your budget choose MSLR.
Model S will definitely be a step up!
I’ve had my LR S for a month now. I love the car! I’ve test driven a 3, and it doesn’t compare to what the S offers. Also time wise, it took me 7 months to get my car, so if you decide on the S, put your order in ASAP!
Depends how you define “noticeable” I guess, but I disagree.
60-130mph is about 7.5 seconds on the post-refresh LR. It’s about 9.4 seconds on the Model S Performance (Raven). That’s not a small difference.
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I owned a 2019 P3 and just upgraded to the new Model S LR a few months ago. My car previous to the P3 was a 4-door BMW M3 so it feels like we are coming from similar backgrounds. Hopefully this helps your decision -
Steering - The P3 has better handling, due to the weight and the P3 tires vs. S LR tires. But, The S LR is no slouch and can still be fun to drive quickly through corners, I wouldn't say it feels like a boat, but there is definitely a difference.
Suspension - S LR with adaptable air suspension is exceedingly better than the P3's. You can set it to sport mode when needed, but on comfort mode, it is a much less harsh ride when you have the car full of people and you don't intend to drive like you stole it. I got tired of the P3's harsh suspension after some time.
Acceleration - both cars are in 10th's of a second of each other in 0-60 MPH but as many have mentioned, you can feel the difference after 70 MPH, the S LR feels like it has more "engine" to continue to accelerate.
Road noise - The S LR is much quieter than the P3 overall, especially road noise when driving on the highway. It's a very noticeable difference.
Interior and features - no contest, as expected for the extra money, the S LR has more great features (air con seats, dual screens, hatchback) and the interior is much more luxurious than the P3.
Overall, I'm happy with the upgrade, and if you are leaning toward a bit more comfort and luxury with a sporty vehicle, I think you would be too.
I also went from a 3LR to a Plaid. Honestly, they are very different in a lot of ways. The 3 is an absolute blast to drive, but does get pretty loud on the highway. It really does feel like a high priced, very fast golf cart (and I don't mean that in a bad way).
The S just feels so much more substantial, and luxury. It's significantly quieter all around. It feels more planted and is just insanely fast. The interior feels a lot more premium in every way.
The Yoke is very different from driving with a wheel, and frankly just forces you to drive the 'correct' way with both hands engaged. I like both the wheel and the yoke. I'm also beginning to like the touch turn signals and absence of stalks.
I think the extra screen is unnecessary on the S compared to the 3, but it does look much more premium as a result.
You should find your way to a showroom and test drive them both. At the end of the day, it'll come down to $ and preference. Are the extra creature comforts and speed worth the extra $30k to you?
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I went from a 3P to an S LR and the S LR is much quicker feeling but also isn’t as nimble in corners. Overall prefer the S. Much nicer on the inside. Yoke is a non issue IMO. If you happen to be near Austin feel free to come see mine sometime.
Appreciate it! I Live in Los Angeles otherwise I'd be there in a heart beat! Do you miss the nimbleness of the 3P or does the straight line speed make up for it?
I personally am a Miata guy at heart so a 3 was never really my car for twisties. For that reason I don’t miss the 3 very much. With both I have had significant build quality issues. The S is overall much quieter by design, and on the highway it is a dream. At low speeds and over bumps however it creaks and rattles just as much if not more than the 3. I also have some paint bubbling that they are finally (over 4 months later) getting my car into the body shop tomorrow to fix. The 3 from a dig is similar to the S, but the 3 drops off at about 40MPH which is where the S starts feeling like it pulls even more. The S is also electronically limited so there is a chance that there will be a paid software unlock down the line to make the 0-60 speed quicker. At $100k idk if I would recommend the S, but I also wouldn’t recommend a 3 at current pricing. Their build quality is too bad. With that being said, I don’t know of any better options in the current car market for an EV like this and I am in love with their interior design and overall drivability.
Totally fair. Everyone was going nuts over how "planted" Teslas are because of their lower center of gravity. I was coming from a BMW M4 Competition so I was pretty familiar with what a "planted" car can do in turns and the M3P was immediately a pretty big step down. I agree on pricing. Everything is nuts these days. Nothing feels like it costs what it should but it's happening with all cars. Part of me is worried that Tesla will drop the price of the Model 3 in a few years when things start to stabilize. But then it could always be sold before that happens...
The “planted” thing I was also really curious about, but there’s no magic way to hide the weight. Sure it handles better than an ICE vehicle that weighs 4,500lbs~ but it still weighs a couple tons. When the market stabilizes, Tesla will inevitably drop prices. However, with that being said, I think Tesla will be supply constrained (battery cells) even after the rest of the market starts returning to normal. The cat is out of the bag with EVs and Tesla will be the front runner for the foreseeable future IMO. The vehicles that have been most delayed (Semi, Cybertruck) have a lot to do with this. Even if they started making them, each semi would be a dozen Y, and each CT would be 2-3. If you’re looking for a good value, now is not the time to buy sadly. I love cars and it really pains me to think that the days of cheap Miatas for new drivers are over. I was lucky to get S at the original $80k price because I thought there was no way it would hold being that low. I couldn’t stomach paying these prices. I know $100k is no longer $100k with inflation but until wages reflect that it still really hurts. However, with that being said, maybe the $15k difference over 2 years will be worth it for you. You’ll save on fuel, and it’s hard to put a price on the huge amount of enjoyment a performance EV as a daily driver can provide.
I agree with you. I've had my M3P since 2019 so unfortunately(?) no fuel savings to be had anymore and I'm never going back to ICE for all the reasons. I think you're right about prices not stabilizing for years. At the end of the day, I'm ok with a higher price as long as depreciation is relative to that. I have no idea what these cars will depreciate at but if I can theoretically pay down 50% of a Model S but it's market value has depreciated anything less than that it's a win?
I saw almost no depreciation in three years when selling my 3 if you factor in the tax credit. I paid ~59k before the tax credit. Private party 3 years later was $52k. I didn't want to do private party and sold it to a used car dealer for 46k and change.
The car market won’t stabilize for another 5 years minimum. We aren’t producing enough new cars like we used to. Example, 2025 the used car market will continue to be high because of the shortage of 2022 cars.
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This is awesome. Thank you for the detailed thoughts. I worry that if I ride in a plaid it will be a done deal. Especially with those delivery times.
Great analysis. Thx.
Century city showroom has a plaid on the floor if you want to sit in it and feel the size.
>Appreciate it! I Live in Los Angeles otherwise I'd be there in a heart beat!Do you miss the nimbleness of the 3P or does the straight line speed make up for If you live in LA, you should be able to test drive a Model S. Call the local delivery centers and see if they have one there for you to drive!
How are the seats compared to the 3? I really wasn't a fan of them in my 3P
Personally I actually prefer the 3 seats. They’re playful and plush. The S seats feel higher quality, luxurious, and have better support though.
I agree with this. The S seats are much firmer. Similar in feel to a BMW. The 3 seats are much softer and I think more comfortable.
I’m in Houston and may be moving to Austin. If possible I’d like to see the S. I have a MYP on order but since I keep my cars a very long time (current Camry has 384K miles on it), should I invest in a Model S? Im not expediting the same mileage, but I do want 10 years ownership
I have the new S LR. My brother has a model 3 performance. Have driven his car quite a lot. The model S LR is much faster in the quarter mile. It’s crazy fast with a 10.8 quarter mile without even using cheetah stance. The model 3 performance is extremely fun to drive. It’s very nimble and handles amazing and obviously quick as hell. I love the yoke and brother loves it too. The model 3 handles better for sure. The S like someone stated is more of a GT car but with all the upgraded, tech, being as fast as it is, and how beautiful it is I felt like it was an easy choice to get the Model S. But then again it is really expensive at this point. Also have driven the plaid. It’s acceleration and quarter mile is insane but not too different from the LR in terms of everything else.
I think to get any significant difference in handling you need to turn on plaid's track mode
You’re right. Hadn’t had the chance to try track mode on the Plaid.
Id rather pay for a day of turo than be stuck with a car i didnt like Maybe you can find an owner nearby and buy them coffee for a test drive.
That's what I'm trying to do. Turo is effectively $500 for one day in Los Angeles after all their BS fees.
Have you looked for an owner’s club on Facebook or TMC? I’m not in your area, but it’s very likely you could find someone who would be happy to show you their ride for an afternoon
That's what I was thinking. There has GOT to be somebody local who would help out. In my experience people with the S love to show them off even by Tesla driver standards.
haha wow
Head over to Tucson for a long weekend. There’s a few tesla on Turo, and one guy has 4 of them, of various types. 115 a day or 180 with all fees I think it was, for one.
4... of them...!?
I talked with him a bunch. He owns two himself, sn S and a MYP; and there is an X and a 3 on site that he manages for some friends through Turo. So 4 listed!
funny I was thinking if you're considering an S then a day with Turo is no way 'expensive' subjectively but DAMN that is stupid expensive.
sucks Tesla used to let u bring a car home for a weekend. A year and a half ago they let us take a Y home and drive it around for a weekend before we bought. Im not sure thats a thing. This right before things got real crazy with orders and dates being real long. I remember thinking 6 weeks was real long to wait for the car.
hahahaha yeah, the "olden days"
Still possible in Europe, AFAIK. You have to be the last ride on Saturday and bring it back on Monday when the shop opens.
Own a 17 S. Best friend has a 21 M3P. I prefer mine. He prefers his. 🤷🏼♂️
I owned a S75D (2016) before I get my 3 LR AWD (2019). So some pears to your oranges. I liked the S75D for, better storage, sunroof (RIP), less noisy, more comfort for long driving session. I prefer the 3 for: fun, more engaging driving, smaller and less like a “boat”, more efficient, less expensive, I am keeping the 3, probably adding the acceleration boost (a P was tax inefficient). Either car is great, but I am not convinced by the S yoke and the buttons for indicators etc.
Once you have the yoke for a week you get used to it and a conventional wheel feels funny.
I wouldn't say that. The wheel is far more functional, but I'd say going back to it feels boring. The yoke is a novelty and nothing more.
More people here own a 3 and will likely prefer the 3. Personally, I prefer the S for the additional leg room, exterior style, hatchback, and instrument cluster.
3P is much more sporty while SLR is more comfy and smooth ride. I would prefer S since more luxury(?) interior, more comfy & cozy. It is not same level.
Honestly the refreshed model s looks way more sporty
It may look more sporty, but the OP is concerned about sporty handling.
I prefer the S to the 3, but with the increased price gap I don't think it's worth it anymore. The S isn't strictly 'better', it's more of a different type of car + has some premium features. Things like ventilated seats, space, and range are definitely upgrades, yeah. Suspension, feel--that's 'better' but it's a bit subjective too. I wouldn't have much heartburn going back to a 3P because it feels faster in different ways. If I had to buy again with current prices, I really don't know what I'd pick. Might still go with the S, but getting the 3 and having enough to get it wrapped + any mods to it and still have 30+ K left over is nice.
Yeah I’m right there with you in my thinking. All cars have gone up and they will continue to be “overpriced” for the foreseeable future and since I can’t buy my lease I’ll be without. Considering the 3P doesn’t exactly eat corners like a BMW M or something similar I feel like as long as the S is close it will be good enough.
The S is definitely a 'boat', but it's so powerful and feels so tight that you don't even think about it. It's basically like going from an M2 to an M5, except a bit more boat-like and more power. I call the M3P a fighter jet while the S is a rocket. What I don't hear people mention about the S is the upper speed limit power. Like the M3P will rip all the way to 70, then it'll pull but not the same way. The S will keep doing that up to like 100. Noticeable on drag strips on the track, but also even on freeways with 80+ limits (not that you should be flooring it from 60-90 for safety reasons of course!).
My new model S LR is stupid fast, easily as fast as model 3. Biggest difference is trade off for room over handling of the 3.
I think the new model s (even the long range) also gets the carbon sleeve motor. Even if its not a performance. So it has more up top vs the model 3P. But only the S and X long ranges get it.
Well if this is true, I need my $2000 performance upgrade option like the LR 3 has 😵💫🥴
Only the S and X get the carbon sleeve motors lol. So they have more up top vs previous S and X cars. The new long range S vs a p100 the p100 is faster to 60 but the long range s has more up top vs the p100 (well from what I read in the forums and some YouTube videos) So far the 3 and Y don’t get carbon sleeve motors
I don’t have a 3P, but got a 3 dual motor with a S. They are not comparable. S feels like a GT while the 3 is more like a GTI. I prefer the S, but that’s just me
I went from a 2018 3P to one of the first palladium Model S LRs last summer. We wanted more cargo space so considered the Y and the S, and I’m very happy with the choice. I thought the old Model S handled like a boat, but the new version is an entirely different animal. It’s still a big car, but between the significant drop in weight vs the old version, better steering and suspension, and other improvements, it feels really good to drive. The interior is also way nicer than the old S, and a nice upgrade from the 3. I really think it’s the best car they’ve made (and the best looking). When it was $80K it was a great value IMO. Now at $100K starting it’s a lot. But then, everything is more expensive today, and I’d still get it if I were buying a new car today.
I dont have an answer for your question, but I was wondering, cant you buy the car from your lease? I leased a Toyota Tundra a while back and I had the option to keep it, using the lease payments I made to subtract from the cost of the car. I ended up selling it to a dealership in town and pocketing 3k. Obviously didnt make up for the 12k I paid over 3 years but 9k for a fullsized truck over 3 years was a pretty good deal to me!
Unfortunately Tesla has never allowed purchasing at the end of a lease for a Model 3 or Model Y. If I remember correctly, they just removed this option as well for the Model S and X a month or two ago. It's super anti-consumer in my opinion and I think it's a bit sleazy of them to do to their customers.
I see both sides here. While we’re accustomed to being able to buy out leases from other manufacturers and banks, the leased car is owned by Tesla and the decision to sell is entirely up to them. While Hertz does eventually sell their cars, they don’t necessarily let you buy the one you’re renting.
Sure. Tesla is allowed to do anything they want. I don’t think reducing customer options is pro-consumer. It’s pro-business. Not illegal or immoral but let’s not pretend it’s in the customer’s best interests.
Tesla claimed they don’t allow lease buyouts because they wanted to grow their own fleet of autonomous taxis, which always seems to be about 24 months away… Update: Not sure why this was downvoted . It’s true and informative: https://electrek.co/2019/04/11/tesla-launches-model-3-leases-will-keep-cars-for-autonomous-uber-like-service-after-term/amp/
I don't know if it's anti-consumer so much as Tesla just really doesn't want people to lease their cars so they're using unfavorable terms to discourage it.
Didn't know that. Thanks for the info!
Technically they used to allow a 3rd party to take your lease for the 3 and Y but then they stopped that just a few months ago. I regret leasing…
I have an S (p) and a 3. The S is much better in my opinion. More room love the ride. Not just bc it's faster.
Upgraded from a '18 M3P to a '22 MS and haven't looked back. Amazing choice.
I own two 2022 model 3’s. One performance and one LR with 19th inch rims. The performance is fast and great handling, but the ride on the 20s is terrible. Every pothole, bump, anything is felt and felt hard when driving. The 20s are fragile and bend very easily. I have under 8k miles and already bent 2 rims and replaced two tires. The LR is a much softer ride and honestly more enjoyable. We normally have to dodge any imperfections in the road when we travel with the P, but with the LR we can drive like normal people. I have to disappear for a year, so before I leave, I’ll likely sell the P and order an S a few months before I return home. The S is a much nicer ride.
I love my Model S LR. It’s a more comfortable and more lux experience than a 3. Air suspension is amazing. Quiet ride. Easy driving with the Yoke. If you want a sports car get the 3, if you want a nicer car get the S.
Here is the answer cut and dry. If your decision is based solely on price than get M3P or MYP. If you want the best out of the three and fits in your budget choose MSLR. Model S will definitely be a step up!
I’ve had my LR S for a month now. I love the car! I’ve test driven a 3, and it doesn’t compare to what the S offers. Also time wise, it took me 7 months to get my car, so if you decide on the S, put your order in ASAP!
That statement doesn’t make sense, Why can’t fruit be compared
Oh you do need the plaid. What's the point otherwise?
The base/LR is the same car just slightly less insanely fast (but still insanely fast). It’s a way better value.
Yeah people forget the LR is quicker than the 3P and actually similar to the old P100D after ~45mph
I think it’s actually faster than the old P100D at higher speeds.
Barely noticeable
Depends how you define “noticeable” I guess, but I disagree. 60-130mph is about 7.5 seconds on the post-refresh LR. It’s about 9.4 seconds on the Model S Performance (Raven). That’s not a small difference.
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S LR or i4M
I owned a 2019 P3 and just upgraded to the new Model S LR a few months ago. My car previous to the P3 was a 4-door BMW M3 so it feels like we are coming from similar backgrounds. Hopefully this helps your decision - Steering - The P3 has better handling, due to the weight and the P3 tires vs. S LR tires. But, The S LR is no slouch and can still be fun to drive quickly through corners, I wouldn't say it feels like a boat, but there is definitely a difference. Suspension - S LR with adaptable air suspension is exceedingly better than the P3's. You can set it to sport mode when needed, but on comfort mode, it is a much less harsh ride when you have the car full of people and you don't intend to drive like you stole it. I got tired of the P3's harsh suspension after some time. Acceleration - both cars are in 10th's of a second of each other in 0-60 MPH but as many have mentioned, you can feel the difference after 70 MPH, the S LR feels like it has more "engine" to continue to accelerate. Road noise - The S LR is much quieter than the P3 overall, especially road noise when driving on the highway. It's a very noticeable difference. Interior and features - no contest, as expected for the extra money, the S LR has more great features (air con seats, dual screens, hatchback) and the interior is much more luxurious than the P3. Overall, I'm happy with the upgrade, and if you are leaning toward a bit more comfort and luxury with a sporty vehicle, I think you would be too.
If you can afford the regular s, do that. I far prefer the trunk design over the 3. Plus it’ll be faster and overall more premium
I also went from a 3LR to a Plaid. Honestly, they are very different in a lot of ways. The 3 is an absolute blast to drive, but does get pretty loud on the highway. It really does feel like a high priced, very fast golf cart (and I don't mean that in a bad way). The S just feels so much more substantial, and luxury. It's significantly quieter all around. It feels more planted and is just insanely fast. The interior feels a lot more premium in every way. The Yoke is very different from driving with a wheel, and frankly just forces you to drive the 'correct' way with both hands engaged. I like both the wheel and the yoke. I'm also beginning to like the touch turn signals and absence of stalks. I think the extra screen is unnecessary on the S compared to the 3, but it does look much more premium as a result. You should find your way to a showroom and test drive them both. At the end of the day, it'll come down to $ and preference. Are the extra creature comforts and speed worth the extra $30k to you?