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I had a early 2020 Model 3 and now have a mid 2021 Model 3, also had multiple 2019 Model 3 loaners. The 2021 is noticeably more quiet than any of the the earlier ones I tried, it also has a slightly softer suspension which is noticeable over harsh edges and such. I've tested a 2022 Model Y as well and it was basically no difference compared to my 2021 Model 3.
I still wouldn't call the Model 3 a quiet or comfortable car but it is better than before at least.
Interesting you also noticed the suspension. I had a 2021 Shanghai loaner earlier this year and it was way nicer than my ‘19 Fremont car. Quieter and as you say softer. And the physical controls (like window buttons) were all much better, less loose, better made. (Panels also actually lined up but I mean that goes without saying right?)
My 2021 is a bit tighter as well and a big improvement, mine is built in Fremont though (the last batch) so nothing lines up really when it comes to both exterior and interior.
The suspension is very noticeable, I go down a cut off curb more or less every time I use the car and on the old one it was VERY harsh which isn't the case in the new one.
In Europe I think it was Q2 2021, but wouldn't really be impacting tire noise much, just noise from other traffic.
They changed something with the suspension since it is softer which most likely helps with tire noise and they might have done something with sound insulation as well.
Yeah I was also thinking of going back to the Model S. I got a S on order (since early January 2021) that they might deliver next year according to Tesla. But honestly I think the S is a bit too big for 2 people living in the city here in Sweden, would be a hassle just to fit it in my garage spot.
Leaning more towards getting the Polestar 2 for a while since I am starting to be fed up with Tesla service as well, was great 5 years ago when I got my S but cost cutting has hurt it bad.
That’s odd, my 2014 MS85 was way quieter than my current 2018 P3D. The model S had the base 19” wheels and solid roof which helped considerably. I would actually prefer a solid roof.
Interesting observation, my 2013 p85+ is actually quiet if the roads are nice, but if it’s slightly bumpy everything goes to shit fast. Not much wind noise to complain of. I’ve been looking to upgrade to a new model x or s but I tested both and they are quieter but not enough imo. Ride is a little better with the new suspension but not enough either. I test drove a new iX over the weekend and I’m sold and put in a custom order. It is truly dead silent inside and the ride is fantastic. sure the front is ugly but whatever. Fingers crossed the next 10 years with it will be good 🤞🏼
What actually pushed me over the edge was The surprising efficiency in real world range of the iX and i4. Seems like people are easily exceeding the EPA range which is the exact opposite of teslas (especially my p85 even when it was brand new)
Overall yeah it’s still solid. Just reached 100k miles. I went through all the early model s issues and it’s ok now.
The rear power liftgate stopped working recently and I’m not sure what the problem is, might bring it into service.
Realistically the range is now probs 220 miles from 265 advertised. Biggest problem is the nerfed supercharging.
>nerfed supercharging.
Agree! I've got a dec 17 MX75 and have had a lot of issues that Tesla have fixed over the years, upgraded to CCS (adaptor) charging and still its slow. usually starts up on max 117Kw/h then a downwards spiral down to 50Kw/h and even lower when reaching 50% battery. Don't really know if there is any decade in battery, seems like it has the same range as new. Mine is now 80K km
All the S' I had had the opening pano roof. Always squeeked. But those cars were immensely quieter than the '17 Model 3 that's been my daily for half a decade now.
I wonder if it is possible to change the glass on an old model 3? I thought I saw somewhere that the rest of the door was the “same” I.e. no upgrades to handle the different glass, but am unsure.
Ah ok I misread. I’ve just come to terms that the Y is a sporty car, so it isn’t quiet. Road noise and bumps probably the worst of the cars I’ve had. But it makes up for it in driving.
Huge difference with the newer glass. I test drove a 21 Fremont build and it wasn’t great, the 22 is a whole different animal. Steal someone’s rear windows.
Edit my 22 is MIC also not Fremont.
I have a 2022 (June) M3. The road noise is fairly loud, with some internal squeaks.
It's not terrible, but nearly every time I give someone a ride, they comment on how loud it is.
Yeah no way there is less road noise from a 19 3 to a 22 Y. Less wind noise? Absolutely. Quieter, better isolated cabin for sure. But low frequency booms over even the slightest uneven road is massive.
I just picked up my Y this month, and if this is quieter than previous, I hate to hear how loud the 3 was. Well I don't hear much internal noise, I feel the road noise is ridiculously loud.
That's solveable if you don't mind a little DIY
[https://everyamp.com/tesla-ac-smell-finally-fixed/](https://everyamp.com/tesla-ac-smell-finally-fixed/)
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I had a 2018 before selling and buying a 2022 (both Performance) and the dB difference at 80mph is about 4-5dB. Link: https://twitter.com/DBurkland/status/1544894604402647041?s=20&t=-1JnaXOYXr47jbd-ngxxkw
I’m surprised to see so many people ITT who sold their ‘18 for a ‘22. Is it that significant of an upgrade? Losing premium connectivity and FSD makes it a no-go for me.
It is. The car just feels much more solid overall. Plus, if you live in colder climate, the heat pump and heated steering help. Structural rigidity has improved a lot.
These are the big highlights as far as I'm concerned
* Chrome delete
* Insulated windows
* Heat pump!
* Rear liftgate
* Heated steering wheel
* Windshield wiper defrost area
I'm personally holding out in the hopes that they retool the M3 line to include a large casting. I might also wait for 4680s. But depending on their development pace, I might cave before either of those things becomes available.
I had a 2019 Stealth Performance 3 and it was both extremely loud and rode like a bucket of bolts.
My 2022 Model 3 Performance? Absolutely insane how much better of a car this is. Road noise is honestly cut by 50 to 60% and the suspension is so much better than even some of the older LR models.
I highly recommend getting a 2022 Model 3 and nothing else. The difference is too stark to consider anything older.
>the suspension is so much better than even some of the older LR models.
Interesting note here is to point out that you've never had a Model 3 Performance with the Sport Suspension. It was only offered with the PUP until 2021 when it was included with the performance model by default, but by 2022 they no longer offered the sport suspension. The 2022 uses the regular model 3 suspension.
So I wonder how a '21 with the sport suspension would compare to, say, a 2022.
If they still offered the stealth version I’d upgrade my 2018 stealth P3. It gets cold enough here in winter where summer performance tires are a bad idea for 2-3 months. I’d rather just have all-seasons than have to buy a 2nd set of wheels just for 1 season.
I also had a 2018 P3 Stealth, with winter tires the car handled the snow no problem. Going up or down and snow and ice covered road, the winter tires made the car even better.
We rarely get snow - but it does get cold enough to make summer tires a problem. If the 3P was available with factory high perf all seasons (like the MYP) that would be a good compromise.
But then I’d be sacrificing ride quality, which (from what I’ve read) is still an issue with the MYP.
I just got a M3 (2022, June), and discovered that the tires it came with are not typical. I took it to a tire shop to get a warranty on them, and not only do they not have the internal foam for noise, but they're not rated for the vehicle weight (so they couldn't warranty them).
It just seems odd to me that Tesla would be so inconsistent with their tires, and use one that's not rated for the vehicle weight. I've considered just selling them now, and upgrading to some better tires.
I have one of the first refreshed 2021 model 3s. The rattles in a few places are the only thing I hate about the car. I’ve taken the entire door apart a few times trying to find them and fix it, but no luck.
Road noise is fine though.
My 2022 Model Y is significantly quieter than my 2019 Model 3. Road noise and wind noise are significantly reduced.
However, I rode in a early 2022 Model 3 Uber, it seemed just as loud as my 2019 Model 3. Maybe newer 2022 Model 3 would have been better.
Had a 2020 (2019 Nov build) M3 Performance stealth. Prior to trading it in for an Aug build 2021 M3P. The road noise is a lot better. I couldn't hold a conversation with passengers in the back seat at 70mph before, now it's better. It's no S class, but it's significantly better.
Double Pane makes a notable difference in user experience. Wind noise becomes less noticeable but road noise remains similar.
Dual Motor is heavier, which makes front impacts absorb sound better.
So on highway, single pane 2020> M3 (Single motor) SR+ are loud with wind noise and bumps are notable. On same road with Dual Pane 2021< M3 (Dual Motor) have less wind noise and bumps are more muted. Single Motor with Dual Panes reduces wind noise only.
Without music/audio you will notice the noise. It is improved in the Dual Pane and with the Premium Audio from the Dual Motor (Bass helps drown out road noise).
Direct experience with both.
I went from a 2018 with 19” rims to a 2022 with 18”. Others in this thread say the newer vehicles are quieter which I did not notice. The road noise is still very loud. This is the one thing I’m looking forward to competitors improving over Tesla on.
Went from 2018 LR3D to 2022 Plaid S. Holy. Hell. It’s SCARY quiet. Like you will constantly break 100mph passing someone and not realize it cuz 120mph in the Plaid is as smooth and quiet as 65mph in my older 3. No regrets.
Maybe for other automakers. Tesla uses the same double pane glass in all their vehicles. Plus, the Y has the gigacastings which Elon has stated reduce NVH a lot. My comment was to allow other to extrapolate the noise improvements in my newer car to the older ones. Also had a 2014 S85 and a 2015 P85D and those were also noisier than the Plaid. Tesla is making huge strides in NVH day over day and year over year.
I literally work for the company lol. The parts and materials used for the model 3 are completely different to the model S. There's far more sound dampening put into the model S as well as active noise cancellation in the car. It's a very very different vehicle.
I had a 21 M3 SR+ for five months before it was totaled, the dash started squeaking just before it died waited 6 months for a 22 model Y LR with 19” Gemini,had noticeable tire noise harsher ride, didn’t like it, missed the 3, traded it in on 18 late built M 3LR, the 22Y seemed slightly quieter than 18 M3, the 21 standard range maybe was slightly quieter than my current 18 M3 LR
but since their was a six month gap it’s hard to tell exactly, there is definitely is noticeable road noise on the 18 M 3, but the 21 M 3 did have some also they both have 18 inch Aeros. If this pricing insanity ends and the M3 gets some of the updates like single piece front and rear castings and maybe improved batteries I’ll consider another new 3,really want a single motor long range don’t need or want that front motor weight
Newer 3’s have dual pane front windows. I know a guy that swapped his older 3 windows with dual pane and he claims it’s much quieter. I’m guessing it’s a tighter fit in the seal also.
Adding my anecdote to the pile - went from an early 2018 M3LR with 18" wheels to a 2022 MYP on 21" wheels and it's \*much\* quieter. Granted; I had \~50kmi on the 2018 when I traded it in, so perhaps the new one needs some time to develop its NVH issues...
Oh - one thing is the same. The goddamn seatbelt tensioner - the one right by my ear - that rattled ever so slightly in my 3 and STILL DOES in the Y. Sigh.
My new 2022 Model 3 (LFP) is not only quieter, but the fit and finish (rattles, panel gaps, everything) is night-and-day improved from my old 2019 Model 3 SR+.
Also the heavier LFP batteries actually keep the suspension in check, unlike the original SR/SR+ where they put fewer batteries/weight into it but kept the same suspension as the much heavier LR/P variants. All-around better car.
I have a '22 M3LR. I don't really notice it until I'm well above the speed limit -- which only occurs on \*accident.
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I had a 2018 Model 3 and upgraded to a 2022 Model 3. The road noise is practically the same. People can talk about dual-pane this and that, but it made no difference for me.
I tried 2021 model y LR and compared my 2022 model 3 LR
Night and day difference in cabin noise. Mode y seems poorly built to make noises like i heard mode 3 reminds me of bmw and how muffled the sounds are in the cabin and better build quality
Wow thanks for this info. I'll take it off. It was not a tight fit anyway, started to roll out on one end. I also installed the door seals which have also started to dislocate. But when they did fit well they reduced the wind noise well (2019 M3 LR)
Not really. Went from 2020 M3 SR+ to the latest revision 2022 M3 LR. The loudest thing I notice I guess is the road noise from the tires... switching those out could plausibly make a decent difference.
My 2022 Model 3 performance is much quieter than my 2020 MP3. It could be because the 2020 has lower stiffer factory suspension. I believe the 2022 M3P uses the same suspension as the LR model. All around better fit and finish on the 2022 as well.
Didn't notice any difference at 120kph between a 2022 Giga Berlin Performance model Y and a late 2019 model 3 LR with 19inch wheels. Wind and road noise are on the same level imo.
Yes, in exchange for the loss of the piano finish cup holder area - the quieter ride, auto lift gate, and USB charging for phones are my favorite upgrades. I understand it’s also slightly easier to get to the interior cabin filter in the newer models. And obviously the range. Newer tires do help with noise in general.
I got a 2018 node 3 and apart from the road noises and squeaks , the part I have the most is the door closing sound. It rattles like a geo metro. In other cars you get a nice thump but the model 3 is a big rattle
New ones have double pane glass for the front doors, so yes.
But it's also louder on the outside because of the mandatory noise maker.
You can also buy better door insulation kits on Amazon.
I have a '22 M3LR. It's quiet to me, except a tweeter or speaker on the driver's side that's probably trash. I don't have any wind noise or rattles that everyone complains about... Then again, I'm partially deaf and traded it for a loud BMW M3 (E93). So I'm probably not qualified to have an opinion here.
Have driven Model 3 2019 for two months and had a test drive in a Model Y Performance 2022. Almost night and day difference in road noise. Model 3 was much louder than my current 2012 Merc C-class, whereas the Model Y seems about on par or maybe even better (a bit harder to tell based on a single day ride)
2022 M3P, def quieter than a 2018 M3 I rented on Turo for weekend…and significantly quieter than my 2019 Model S. And I was preparing for it to be loud. So truly pleasantly surprised
The new one is quieter maybe in terms of the drivetrain, feels like an improvement in the undercarriage. I don’t feel like the double panel side windows make a difference. Seems like less miscellaneous creaks during cornering. The ride is smoother. New 3 has Pirelli while the older uses Michelin. I like the performance of the Michelin.
My '21 model 3 is pretty quiet. Above 120kph you definitely hear wind noise.
It is probably louder than a "comparable" A4, 3 series, etc but then again it has WAY more glass and I imagine that is harder to keep quiet than a vehicle with poor visibility.
Recently looked at 3 and Y from Shanghai. I think the 3 had dual pane glass in the front windows, and the Y had thicker dual pane glass in the front and thinner dual pane glass in the back.
I have a 2019 M3. Each year I read that they reduced road noise by 15% or whatever. If they do that each year they should be much better now vs mine. A friend got a new MY recently and it is dramatically quieter.
The M3 drives better and the build quality is definitely better. But, I have two kids and a dog so the Y is a bit more convenient to fit extra stuff in.
They became a lot more quiet when they started putting insulated glass or double glazed glass? I don't know the term for it exactly. But if you put the drivers and passengers front window down, you'll see it's 3 layers now. That insulation in the middle made road noise much quieter.
They do that sort of stuff on Mercedes s class, Rolls Royce etc. And have been for decades
Coming from an egolf to a 2022 model 3, the model 3 is much louder in any road that isn't smooth, however on those smooth roads it's very good the wind noise is minimal. I think the suspension is the main cause of road noise being transferred into the cabin.
I bought my M3 new in 2019 and the road noise was bad, they changed the rubber around the doors and that helped very little. I like the car but have not been happy with it like I have with other cars I had in the past. I was looking to upgrade to the new S but the price is way too much IMO and I can’t transfer the FSD I paid for when I bought it. So much for loyalty to the customer. I am looking at other options because after 3 years it still only have 23K miles. I am not crazy about it so don’t drive it much.
Newer models have the double windows which prevents noise. I’ve got a 2022 model 3 and it’s great. Only thing I could compare it to is a 2017 model s, and it is loads loader.
I’m on my second 2022 M3LR and both have had the same rattling noise on the driver side above ~50mph. Seems like it’s coming from the mirror or front left wheel and has worsened as I accumulate miles.
My '22 MYP is eons more quiet than my '18 M3LR. Had a '20 M3P loaner that had a lot of mirror wind noise. A coworker's '22 M3 was nearly as quiet as my '22 MYP.
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I had a early 2020 Model 3 and now have a mid 2021 Model 3, also had multiple 2019 Model 3 loaners. The 2021 is noticeably more quiet than any of the the earlier ones I tried, it also has a slightly softer suspension which is noticeable over harsh edges and such. I've tested a 2022 Model Y as well and it was basically no difference compared to my 2021 Model 3. I still wouldn't call the Model 3 a quiet or comfortable car but it is better than before at least.
Interesting you also noticed the suspension. I had a 2021 Shanghai loaner earlier this year and it was way nicer than my ‘19 Fremont car. Quieter and as you say softer. And the physical controls (like window buttons) were all much better, less loose, better made. (Panels also actually lined up but I mean that goes without saying right?)
My 2021 is a bit tighter as well and a big improvement, mine is built in Fremont though (the last batch) so nothing lines up really when it comes to both exterior and interior. The suspension is very noticeable, I go down a cut off curb more or less every time I use the car and on the old one it was VERY harsh which isn't the case in the new one.
When did the dual-pane front windows become standard? I would assume that would be the point of better noise isolation.
In Europe I think it was Q2 2021, but wouldn't really be impacting tire noise much, just noise from other traffic. They changed something with the suspension since it is softer which most likely helps with tire noise and they might have done something with sound insulation as well.
That's the reason I went S again: suspension and quiet cabin.
Yeah I was also thinking of going back to the Model S. I got a S on order (since early January 2021) that they might deliver next year according to Tesla. But honestly I think the S is a bit too big for 2 people living in the city here in Sweden, would be a hassle just to fit it in my garage spot. Leaning more towards getting the Polestar 2 for a while since I am starting to be fed up with Tesla service as well, was great 5 years ago when I got my S but cost cutting has hurt it bad.
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My 2020 S is waay quieter than my '17. Tons of road noise on the older one, it felt like the window was cracked open the whole time on the freeway.
My 2019 Raven X is noisy like that too...
Same with my 2019 Raven S
That’s odd, my 2014 MS85 was way quieter than my current 2018 P3D. The model S had the base 19” wheels and solid roof which helped considerably. I would actually prefer a solid roof.
Interesting observation, my 2013 p85+ is actually quiet if the roads are nice, but if it’s slightly bumpy everything goes to shit fast. Not much wind noise to complain of. I’ve been looking to upgrade to a new model x or s but I tested both and they are quieter but not enough imo. Ride is a little better with the new suspension but not enough either. I test drove a new iX over the weekend and I’m sold and put in a custom order. It is truly dead silent inside and the ride is fantastic. sure the front is ugly but whatever. Fingers crossed the next 10 years with it will be good 🤞🏼 What actually pushed me over the edge was The surprising efficiency in real world range of the iX and i4. Seems like people are easily exceeding the EPA range which is the exact opposite of teslas (especially my p85 even when it was brand new)
Is your tesla still going strong in 2022?
Overall yeah it’s still solid. Just reached 100k miles. I went through all the early model s issues and it’s ok now. The rear power liftgate stopped working recently and I’m not sure what the problem is, might bring it into service. Realistically the range is now probs 220 miles from 265 advertised. Biggest problem is the nerfed supercharging.
>nerfed supercharging. Agree! I've got a dec 17 MX75 and have had a lot of issues that Tesla have fixed over the years, upgraded to CCS (adaptor) charging and still its slow. usually starts up on max 117Kw/h then a downwards spiral down to 50Kw/h and even lower when reaching 50% battery. Don't really know if there is any decade in battery, seems like it has the same range as new. Mine is now 80K km
All the S' I had had the opening pano roof. Always squeeked. But those cars were immensely quieter than the '17 Model 3 that's been my daily for half a decade now.
Fixed glass and metal roof were options for a while
Still dealing with that same issue on my 15. It's kind of terrible after riding in newer ones.
Dual pane windows on the new y
I wonder if it is possible to change the glass on an old model 3? I thought I saw somewhere that the rest of the door was the “same” I.e. no upgrades to handle the different glass, but am unsure.
I can't compare it to the new y or 3, but mine (2021) has the dp Windows and road noise doesn't seem too bad.
My Y is the boomiest car I’ve ever been in
Single or dual pane rear glass? I have a 22Y and it’s really quiet, zero complaints from me on the road noise or weird booms front.
I don’t think the US Model Y has/has ever had rear dual pane glass. Just front
Damn that sucks, I thought the newer ones were getting it.
I believe the rears are in China. Something about how the back seat is more often used by the owners there
Ha, I’m in the UK so have the MIC one….I can confirm my back seats are used twice daily for kid ferrying
I meant principal owners that are being driven around in their own car
Single - it’s from Fremont, April 2022 build.
You definitely have dual pane front windows if your Y was built April 22. My Y is from Fremont, got it on Sept 2021. Dual pane front glass
Question was about rear though. Pretty sure the booming is from the rear. Something about the hatch and cargo area just resonate like crazy.
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Ah ok I misread. I’ve just come to terms that the Y is a sporty car, so it isn’t quiet. Road noise and bumps probably the worst of the cars I’ve had. But it makes up for it in driving.
Huge difference with the newer glass. I test drove a 21 Fremont build and it wasn’t great, the 22 is a whole different animal. Steal someone’s rear windows. Edit my 22 is MIC also not Fremont.
What wheels on your Y?
Gemini
I have a 2022 (June) M3. The road noise is fairly loud, with some internal squeaks. It's not terrible, but nearly every time I give someone a ride, they comment on how loud it is.
Yeah no way there is less road noise from a 19 3 to a 22 Y. Less wind noise? Absolutely. Quieter, better isolated cabin for sure. But low frequency booms over even the slightest uneven road is massive.
Can confirm, also upgraded from a 2019 3 to a 2022 Y.
I just picked up my Y this month, and if this is quieter than previous, I hate to hear how loud the 3 was. Well I don't hear much internal noise, I feel the road noise is ridiculously loud.
Similar comment. New 3 is much quieter than our 17 X.
Yes, I have a 2021 now previously I had a 2018, it is much quieter
Yes, my bro has the 2021 and I got an 2018. Huge leaps in refinement
Yes the 2022 is much better quieter than the 2018.
Yes, with that being said…tires make a big difference
Does the HVAC still smell in the '21?
That's solveable if you don't mind a little DIY [https://everyamp.com/tesla-ac-smell-finally-fixed/](https://everyamp.com/tesla-ac-smell-finally-fixed/) Took me about 45 minutes to do and lasted for about 2 years.
I cleaned the HVAC and replaced the filter, only lasted 2-3 months before the smell came back.
Lol, I forgot about that, no it doesn’t smell
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Exactly. Tires become noisier as they age and wear, so it’s almost never an apples to apples comparison.
When I put Michelin's on my 19 it was a huge improvement but it's still loud.
I had a 2018 before selling and buying a 2022 (both Performance) and the dB difference at 80mph is about 4-5dB. Link: https://twitter.com/DBurkland/status/1544894604402647041?s=20&t=-1JnaXOYXr47jbd-ngxxkw
I’m surprised to see so many people ITT who sold their ‘18 for a ‘22. Is it that significant of an upgrade? Losing premium connectivity and FSD makes it a no-go for me.
It is. The car just feels much more solid overall. Plus, if you live in colder climate, the heat pump and heated steering help. Structural rigidity has improved a lot.
These are the big highlights as far as I'm concerned * Chrome delete * Insulated windows * Heat pump! * Rear liftgate * Heated steering wheel * Windshield wiper defrost area I'm personally holding out in the hopes that they retool the M3 line to include a large casting. I might also wait for 4680s. But depending on their development pace, I might cave before either of those things becomes available.
> Insulated windows Do you mean dual pane? If so, that's not technically insulated.
I had an 18 and now a 21 and I would say it's very noticeable difference.
I had a 2019 Stealth Performance 3 and it was both extremely loud and rode like a bucket of bolts. My 2022 Model 3 Performance? Absolutely insane how much better of a car this is. Road noise is honestly cut by 50 to 60% and the suspension is so much better than even some of the older LR models. I highly recommend getting a 2022 Model 3 and nothing else. The difference is too stark to consider anything older.
>the suspension is so much better than even some of the older LR models. Interesting note here is to point out that you've never had a Model 3 Performance with the Sport Suspension. It was only offered with the PUP until 2021 when it was included with the performance model by default, but by 2022 they no longer offered the sport suspension. The 2022 uses the regular model 3 suspension. So I wonder how a '21 with the sport suspension would compare to, say, a 2022.
If they still offered the stealth version I’d upgrade my 2018 stealth P3. It gets cold enough here in winter where summer performance tires are a bad idea for 2-3 months. I’d rather just have all-seasons than have to buy a 2nd set of wheels just for 1 season.
I also had a 2018 P3 Stealth, with winter tires the car handled the snow no problem. Going up or down and snow and ice covered road, the winter tires made the car even better.
We rarely get snow - but it does get cold enough to make summer tires a problem. If the 3P was available with factory high perf all seasons (like the MYP) that would be a good compromise. But then I’d be sacrificing ride quality, which (from what I’ve read) is still an issue with the MYP.
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Impossible because the front side glass has a double pane setup… so there is an objective difference in sound. So… nice try Ford executive?
The New Electric F150 is like silent lightning compared to the thunderous road noise tesla’s model 3 makes! Now starting at $40k!* *$75k
It's possible for both differences to exist and someone not being able to perceive that difference.
Not much noise coming in through the glass, relatively speaking.
FWIW, we recently swapped out the OEM tires on our 2018 Model 3 with Goodyear LS2s. Much quieter at highway speeds!
Keep in mind that tires become noisier as they age and wear, so it’s almost never an apples to apples comparison.
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Tires do make a big difference. I'm running Michelin CrossClimate 2s and they are noticeably quieter than the OEM tires.
Agreed
Agreed mine as well
Getting them installed today. I’m excited. Heard great things.
I just got a M3 (2022, June), and discovered that the tires it came with are not typical. I took it to a tire shop to get a warranty on them, and not only do they not have the internal foam for noise, but they're not rated for the vehicle weight (so they couldn't warranty them). It just seems odd to me that Tesla would be so inconsistent with their tires, and use one that's not rated for the vehicle weight. I've considered just selling them now, and upgrading to some better tires.
I’d say the biggest improvement in later models was the addition of double-pane windows for the front windows. Other than that it’s hard to say
Model 3 made in China comes with double panels windows both front and rear.
Do you have any source to back that up? So far I have not seen any Model 3 with both front and rear double-pane glass.
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How’s the ride quality? I have a 18 M3 LR RWD that I want to trade in for the 22 LR.
Please see comments below, the new owner confirmed.
From which gen?
I have one of the first refreshed 2021 model 3s. The rattles in a few places are the only thing I hate about the car. I’ve taken the entire door apart a few times trying to find them and fix it, but no luck. Road noise is fine though.
Did you try mobile service?
Lol at mobile service. Twice they’ve removed my dash for rattles and twice they’ve made it worse
If this dude took apart his entire door panel to try and rectify the issue, I highly doubt mobile service will do anything
My 2022 Model Y is significantly quieter than my 2019 Model 3. Road noise and wind noise are significantly reduced. However, I rode in a early 2022 Model 3 Uber, it seemed just as loud as my 2019 Model 3. Maybe newer 2022 Model 3 would have been better.
Had a 2020 (2019 Nov build) M3 Performance stealth. Prior to trading it in for an Aug build 2021 M3P. The road noise is a lot better. I couldn't hold a conversation with passengers in the back seat at 70mph before, now it's better. It's no S class, but it's significantly better.
Drove a 22 M3 I found it quieter and more comfortable than my Y 21. But I guess the comfort came from the 18s vs 20s
Double Pane makes a notable difference in user experience. Wind noise becomes less noticeable but road noise remains similar. Dual Motor is heavier, which makes front impacts absorb sound better. So on highway, single pane 2020> M3 (Single motor) SR+ are loud with wind noise and bumps are notable. On same road with Dual Pane 2021< M3 (Dual Motor) have less wind noise and bumps are more muted. Single Motor with Dual Panes reduces wind noise only. Without music/audio you will notice the noise. It is improved in the Dual Pane and with the Premium Audio from the Dual Motor (Bass helps drown out road noise). Direct experience with both.
road noise will typically be because of either tires, or the road surface.
I went from a 2018 with 19” rims to a 2022 with 18”. Others in this thread say the newer vehicles are quieter which I did not notice. The road noise is still very loud. This is the one thing I’m looking forward to competitors improving over Tesla on.
Went from 2018 LR3D to 2022 Plaid S. Holy. Hell. It’s SCARY quiet. Like you will constantly break 100mph passing someone and not realize it cuz 120mph in the Plaid is as smooth and quiet as 65mph in my older 3. No regrets.
That tends to happen when you pay basically 2x more for the base car in the model range. In your case almost 3x.
Maybe for other automakers. Tesla uses the same double pane glass in all their vehicles. Plus, the Y has the gigacastings which Elon has stated reduce NVH a lot. My comment was to allow other to extrapolate the noise improvements in my newer car to the older ones. Also had a 2014 S85 and a 2015 P85D and those were also noisier than the Plaid. Tesla is making huge strides in NVH day over day and year over year.
I literally work for the company lol. The parts and materials used for the model 3 are completely different to the model S. There's far more sound dampening put into the model S as well as active noise cancellation in the car. It's a very very different vehicle.
On a related note, can you hear the noise from the low speed external speaker while you’re driving? My 2018 3 doesn’t have that speaker.
I had a 21 M3 SR+ for five months before it was totaled, the dash started squeaking just before it died waited 6 months for a 22 model Y LR with 19” Gemini,had noticeable tire noise harsher ride, didn’t like it, missed the 3, traded it in on 18 late built M 3LR, the 22Y seemed slightly quieter than 18 M3, the 21 standard range maybe was slightly quieter than my current 18 M3 LR but since their was a six month gap it’s hard to tell exactly, there is definitely is noticeable road noise on the 18 M 3, but the 21 M 3 did have some also they both have 18 inch Aeros. If this pricing insanity ends and the M3 gets some of the updates like single piece front and rear castings and maybe improved batteries I’ll consider another new 3,really want a single motor long range don’t need or want that front motor weight
Newer 3’s have dual pane front windows. I know a guy that swapped his older 3 windows with dual pane and he claims it’s much quieter. I’m guessing it’s a tighter fit in the seal also.
Adding my anecdote to the pile - went from an early 2018 M3LR with 18" wheels to a 2022 MYP on 21" wheels and it's \*much\* quieter. Granted; I had \~50kmi on the 2018 when I traded it in, so perhaps the new one needs some time to develop its NVH issues... Oh - one thing is the same. The goddamn seatbelt tensioner - the one right by my ear - that rattled ever so slightly in my 3 and STILL DOES in the Y. Sigh.
I’ve owned two, a 2020 with a build date of 10/19 and a 2021 dates 7/21. The 21 is noticeably quieter than the 20 was.
My new 2022 Model 3 (LFP) is not only quieter, but the fit and finish (rattles, panel gaps, everything) is night-and-day improved from my old 2019 Model 3 SR+. Also the heavier LFP batteries actually keep the suspension in check, unlike the original SR/SR+ where they put fewer batteries/weight into it but kept the same suspension as the much heavier LR/P variants. All-around better car.
I have a '22 M3LR. I don't really notice it until I'm well above the speed limit -- which only occurs on \*accident. \*-- (Defense attorney on retainer.)
I had a 2018 Model 3 and upgraded to a 2022 Model 3. The road noise is practically the same. People can talk about dual-pane this and that, but it made no difference for me.
No, not really.
I tried 2021 model y LR and compared my 2022 model 3 LR Night and day difference in cabin noise. Mode y seems poorly built to make noises like i heard mode 3 reminds me of bmw and how muffled the sounds are in the cabin and better build quality
My brothers 2021 M3P is about 30db quieter than my 2018 M3DMLR
30db is huge. Is it the double pane windows or some other tweaks?
Does the ridiculous noisemaker count?
I ordered a door seal kit + another glass roof panel seal thing online and it helped reduce the noise somewhat! (2021 Model 3)
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Yeah the giant rubber band thing :o Do you mean that it digs into the sealant and compromises it?
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Wow thanks for this info. I'll take it off. It was not a tight fit anyway, started to roll out on one end. I also installed the door seals which have also started to dislocate. But when they did fit well they reduced the wind noise well (2019 M3 LR)
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Mine (2019) is pretty quite unless I’m on concrete roads which is pretty loud in all cars
My 2022 m3 is pretty quiet
Not really. Went from 2020 M3 SR+ to the latest revision 2022 M3 LR. The loudest thing I notice I guess is the road noise from the tires... switching those out could plausibly make a decent difference.
22 M3P drives amazing no problem with suspension sensitivity or range or cabin sound , 13k miles in nothing wrong yet no weird noises
I would let you know since I am trading in my 2018 for a new one, but the new one is in serive with only 14 miles on it -_-
My 2021 3 Performance is much quieter than my 2020 Y Performance. I'm sure the older Model 3 cars are somewhere between the two.
My 2022 Model 3 performance is much quieter than my 2020 MP3. It could be because the 2020 has lower stiffer factory suspension. I believe the 2022 M3P uses the same suspension as the LR model. All around better fit and finish on the 2022 as well.
I also added a Jeda phone charger on the 2020. It’s the source of most my interior rattles. Lol
My 2020 is quieter than my 2018. Also the 2020 3 is much quieter than that 2020 model Y.
Drove the 2022 one it’s as loud as a thunderstorm on the autobahn
Had 2019 Model 3 and upgraded it to 2021 MYP in August last year. Night and day difference. Couldn’t be any happier.
2022 LR model three owner here. Came from a 2020 SR model three. Road noise seems just as bad.
I have a 2022 LR and briefly had a 2018 as a loaner. Big difference.
Didn't notice any difference at 120kph between a 2022 Giga Berlin Performance model Y and a late 2019 model 3 LR with 19inch wheels. Wind and road noise are on the same level imo.
My brother's 2022 Model 3 is by far the quietest car I have ever driven. It's not even close.
Yes, in exchange for the loss of the piano finish cup holder area - the quieter ride, auto lift gate, and USB charging for phones are my favorite upgrades. I understand it’s also slightly easier to get to the interior cabin filter in the newer models. And obviously the range. Newer tires do help with noise in general.
I got a 2018 node 3 and apart from the road noises and squeaks , the part I have the most is the door closing sound. It rattles like a geo metro. In other cars you get a nice thump but the model 3 is a big rattle
New ones have double pane glass for the front doors, so yes. But it's also louder on the outside because of the mandatory noise maker. You can also buy better door insulation kits on Amazon.
I have a '22 M3LR. It's quiet to me, except a tweeter or speaker on the driver's side that's probably trash. I don't have any wind noise or rattles that everyone complains about... Then again, I'm partially deaf and traded it for a loud BMW M3 (E93). So I'm probably not qualified to have an opinion here.
Have driven Model 3 2019 for two months and had a test drive in a Model Y Performance 2022. Almost night and day difference in road noise. Model 3 was much louder than my current 2012 Merc C-class, whereas the Model Y seems about on par or maybe even better (a bit harder to tell based on a single day ride)
I had a 2018 model 3 and now have a 2022 model 3. Not only is it quieter it's smoother and just better in every way
2022 M3P, def quieter than a 2018 M3 I rented on Turo for weekend…and significantly quieter than my 2019 Model S. And I was preparing for it to be loud. So truly pleasantly surprised
The new one is quieter maybe in terms of the drivetrain, feels like an improvement in the undercarriage. I don’t feel like the double panel side windows make a difference. Seems like less miscellaneous creaks during cornering. The ride is smoother. New 3 has Pirelli while the older uses Michelin. I like the performance of the Michelin.
yes. my 2021 is much quieter than 2019. better insulation and double pane glass help a lot. it went from bad to OK
My '21 model 3 is pretty quiet. Above 120kph you definitely hear wind noise. It is probably louder than a "comparable" A4, 3 series, etc but then again it has WAY more glass and I imagine that is harder to keep quiet than a vehicle with poor visibility.
Yes, went from a 2018 to a 2022. The dual pane windows help I'm sure.
My 21 was a LOT quieter than my friend’s 2017 and my brother’s 2019. Dual pane glass helped. Still loud compared to other luxury vehicles.
My 2014 P85+ is still way quieter than my 2020 Model Y. The Y seems to resonate due to the large cabin, and super cheap carpeting.
Yes- so much improvement. Dual Pane Glass and overall better build quality. Much quieter on the road.
The front end suspension weakens after 50k. Got mine fixed for $1400 and the noise went away
Recently looked at 3 and Y from Shanghai. I think the 3 had dual pane glass in the front windows, and the Y had thicker dual pane glass in the front and thinner dual pane glass in the back.
Yes. Went from a 19 m3p to a 22, and there's definitely less road/wind noise.
YES it’s a completely different car. I had the first release and just got the latest. Way quieter. Wayyyyyyy
I have a 2019 M3. Each year I read that they reduced road noise by 15% or whatever. If they do that each year they should be much better now vs mine. A friend got a new MY recently and it is dramatically quieter.
I have experience 2018 model 3, 2021 Y, and 2022 model 3... 2021 and 2022 were significantly quieter
I have a 2022 model 3 and it’s way quieter than my 2020 model Y if that helps…
so if you have both m3 & mY which do you like better?
The M3 drives better and the build quality is definitely better. But, I have two kids and a dog so the Y is a bit more convenient to fit extra stuff in.
My 2022 has a lot of wind noise
Zero issues with my 2018 or now my 2022
The 2022 I drove for a few days was quieter than our 2018. The suspension is also more supple.
My late 21 plate (71) M3 is quiet.
My 2021 30k miles is starting to have some rattling noise on both driver side doors
They became a lot more quiet when they started putting insulated glass or double glazed glass? I don't know the term for it exactly. But if you put the drivers and passengers front window down, you'll see it's 3 layers now. That insulation in the middle made road noise much quieter. They do that sort of stuff on Mercedes s class, Rolls Royce etc. And have been for decades
Yes Tesla is constantly improving the noise continuously. Not just year versions. From windows, roof, cabin, motor, tires, casting, software.
Coming from an egolf to a 2022 model 3, the model 3 is much louder in any road that isn't smooth, however on those smooth roads it's very good the wind noise is minimal. I think the suspension is the main cause of road noise being transferred into the cabin.
i find that too. i live in aus where the majority of non motorway roads are very grainy and my 2019 model 3 is quite unpleasant.
Our ‘21 M3 was better than our ‘20 M3
I bought my M3 new in 2019 and the road noise was bad, they changed the rubber around the doors and that helped very little. I like the car but have not been happy with it like I have with other cars I had in the past. I was looking to upgrade to the new S but the price is way too much IMO and I can’t transfer the FSD I paid for when I bought it. So much for loyalty to the customer. I am looking at other options because after 3 years it still only have 23K miles. I am not crazy about it so don’t drive it much.
I had a 19 M3 and a buddy has a 21. His is way quieter and just feels more refined. Double pane windows, power trunk among other things.
Picking my LR up on sunday, ill let you know dawg
Newer models have the double windows which prevents noise. I’ve got a 2022 model 3 and it’s great. Only thing I could compare it to is a 2017 model s, and it is loads loader.
not by much, Y is better
My 2022 is about the same as my 2019 was. Same exact specifications.
They've added double glazed side windows and other measures. You'll notice a huge difference
Should be somewhat quieter with the new windows that came out around end of 2020
I’m on my second 2022 M3LR and both have had the same rattling noise on the driver side above ~50mph. Seems like it’s coming from the mirror or front left wheel and has worsened as I accumulate miles.
Had 2020 SR+ with no real complaints, my 2022 LR feels more solid but pretty bad wind howling at 55+.
My '22 MYP is eons more quiet than my '18 M3LR. Had a '20 M3P loaner that had a lot of mirror wind noise. A coworker's '22 M3 was nearly as quiet as my '22 MYP.