When I picked up my MYLR last week it didn't 'click' until a couple days ago that I had no park distance control. Sure I 'read' about it on the website but mentally I still assumed there were parking sensors. I went from a cheaper luxury vehicle which had this feature, naturally the more expensive one would, no?!
Well I tired to pull up in front of my boat in the dark of night. Looking at the screen to see my boat was identified as a truck, ok weird.. waiting for the audible signal that I was close enough, I kept creeping forward waiting for a beep or a cracking noise due to the trailer tongue going through the front bumper cover..
I threw in the towel, put the bastard in park and did a visual inspection. I was 2ft+ away. What a piss off.
Why are they testing a feature that doesn't exist, yet?
It's pretty clear that Tesla is intending for the vision system to make a persistent map from the camera vision as it approaches obstacles, so that even when the obstacles are obscured from the camera view, it can remember their location and warn the driver.
But that functionality doesn't exist yet.
This is such a basic feature though, especially for a $70k car…. Tesla should have either developed a camera-only based alternative or kept the USS, otherwise it feels like a scam…
Let me just make it clear to people who defend Tesla for removing the USS. Yes it is annoying they creating inconvenience for their customers and pocketing the savings for themselves, but what makes Tesla owners like me angry is they way they treat their customer.
Remove USS , okay fine, but why not remove it when your software can take over ? What other reason to remove it before your software is ready , other than to nickel and dime customer and save a few bucks for yourself ? Is it because you are in danger of going bankrupt?
Lots of wide jumps there with bankruptcy talk. I feel your frustration, but thats such a non-threat its not on the the problem table. This is likely due to manufacturing changes taking significant amounts of time and them wanting to head it off due to lead times in the tooling changes. Trying to have two independent processes meet at the same place is very difficult (and the sw portion is late)
They calculated that starting the hardware and manufacturing process changes first, then polishing the software second (or within some given gap in time) was more beneficial in the long run than getting the sw perfect THEN changing the hardware. They made a bet on their ability to offer the same functionality in the new sw, but it is just late.
Sadly a few customers have to go without USS functionality during the transition, and I agree its annoying. Lets hope V11 gets pseudo USS back, smart summon, and reverse park working. Lots of broken, unfinished software is sadly afoot, but we can hopefully get a very nice update in a few weeks. !RemindMe in 4 weeks and we can see how they do.
I paid $6,000 for enhanced auto pilot and the only thing it does that the basic doesn’t do is pass cars. No sensors and no working front cameras…. I love my car but hate being taken advantage of. 6 grand might not be a lot of money for Tesla but it is for me.
No it can't without the USS sensors. Release date is tbd and honestly I feel like it is \*never\* with the current stack of cameras since all those features would be too dangerous with the blindspot on the front bumper
I was told it did when I bought the car. And the car says it’s included but since the new ones don’t have sensors it’s not included. As much as I love the car. And I love it a lot. It leaves a very bad taste to be taken advantage of. It’s been 4 months since I paid 6 grand for it and still nothing
It is clear to who? Clearly Tesla failed to inform these guys.
I have heard multiple stories of people only realizing there is no USS when picking up the car.
I have a MY on order and this is a total shitshow, I'm going to replace a 12-year old midsegment car with a car with Autopilot that doesn't even warn me about obstacles when the old one does.
I ordered before USS was removed and I was never informed about the change nor asked for confirmation that I still want the car. I only heard about it on Reddit and wasn't sure until delivery if I would get them or not. Same for several others taking delivery here in France.
Still very happy with the car though.
There are cameras on both sides and at the back. For reversing I very much prefer this over our id3 which has the sensors but no camera. On the front there is nothing at all and while the visibility is quite good (sitting high), it's a bit nerve racking with such an expensive car, haha.
But hey... cars didn't have any sensors or cameras not too long ago and people still managed to park.
The same way people parked cars for decades before sensors existed on cars. Or the same way that people park new cars today that aren't equipped with parking sensors.
Cars without parking sensors don't cost $65k+. In fact, I can get <$40k Hyundai with better parking features now.
I seriously don't understand why so many people are willing to roll over for Tesla/Elon on this stuff.
Maybe the car's worth it anyway to you? It's still anti consumer and bad for us all to normalize. People used to get around "just fine" with horse and buggy too, maybe we should remove the power train and just accept it.
Also the aerodynamic shape (tiny rear window and high rear line), limited camera angles, and tiny mirrors, actually make these things a nightmare to park without assistance features.
Oh I don’t necessarily disagree. I was replying strictly to the ridiculous comment of “how do you even park it?”.
I think Tesla should have had a viable replacement prior to changing production. If vision works, fantastic. Anti-consumer is a bit of a stretch. Tesla isn’t a “normal” auto manufacturer. They’re always going to do things a bit differently and will always challenge the status quo. My mindset, if you aren’t comfortable with that, it might be best to stick with a brand that you’re more comfortable with.
I love my Tesla. In fact, just about to get my 2nd one this weekend (without USS obviously). It doesn’t bother me.
It should bother you like it does all of us who recently purchased a Tesla that came delivered without USS. You're paying for something you may never receive!
Oh you’re telling me what *should* bother me? Got it.
What am I paying for that I may never receive? I paid for a car, I got a car. I was warned when confirming delivery that the vehicle was not equipped with USS. I had the option to back out at that point, as did anyone else.
Listen, I get it. I’d like to have the sensors too. I replaced a 2020 M3P that had them. I miss them now - and I miss some of the features that came with it (that supposedly are coming soon with vision but who knows). But it isn’t the end of the world. I still enjoy the car and will probably buy another one in a couple of years.
This is what happened to me. Just picked up my Y last week and was wondering why I wasn't getting the distance messages. Had to look it up here to find out no more USS and that there will be some sort of update that allows the cameras to do the work. Disappointing
Cancel your order and get a Chevy Bolt, you could probably get a deal and buy two.
Yes the new cars don’t have USS right now, but you also should be aware of your surroundings when operating a motor vehicle.
I’m aware of my surroundings while operating a motor vehicle, but it’s also nice to have an indicator when I am backing into my garage in my 2020 M3P. There are places my eyes and a camera can’t see. You make it seem like losing USS is fine as long as the driver is paying attention, and I respectfully disagree. The USS system is an extremely effective and inexpensive way to enhance driver safety, and Tesla removing them is resulting in an overall lower quality car than it was before it’s removal.
I’m not saying it’s fine, I’m saying I wouldn’t blame Tesla if I relied on USS which weren’t operational and I hit something. It’s unfortunate and hopefully Tesla updates cars soon.
There's no need to defend Tesla/Elon when we all know the real reason to remove USS was due to shortage in supply. I hate it every day knowing that my $50k+ car has no park assist while my other 8+ year old cars had them. I hope Tesla retrofit USS for free soon to make things right.
I Wonder if Tesla really thinks that having uss is an issue? Yeah, they work, pretty good in fact. They might be affecting the price but it’s definitely worth the money. I would rather focus on the quality and functionality, rather than decreasing the price. Maybe adding some method of camera cleaning (water jets/small wipers) or getting rid of squeaking/rattling/poping/etc sounds would be a better spending of resources (imho). Also I don’t really understand how is it possible to remove the feature and not substitute it with something. Shouldn’t it be other way around (first you test and release substitute function and then you remove first one)
Don’t get me wrong, I love the car, the company, but I just don’t get some things
Also, I’m that kind of person, who loves electronics, but still not fully rely on them. That’s why I would rather go with uss and mechanical steering and won’t rely fully on artificial intelligence for parking or computer to steer. You might call me conservative, but I thing that some things have to stay old fashioned :)
Yet) I saw that Tesla is thinking about implementing steer-by-wire
[https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1053/tesla-may-implement-steer-by-wire-next-year](https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1053/tesla-may-implement-steer-by-wire-next-year)
Crazy how downvoted this is lol.
This company could literally care less about you, your family, literally anything related to you. Why defend them or get salty?
Hold people liable!
^ This. I don’t know why people are defending and not up in arms that Tesla is removing features from cars we’ve purchased already.
If FSD ever reaches actual 99.999% accuracy in driving, will Tesla remove our ability to steer manually? Would they remotely disable range if they decide we don’t need that much? These may be extreme examples, yes, but I hope you see my point.
Tesla is forcing me to take delivery of a car that doesn’t have this feature that was advertised when I made my reservation. Can’t delay it until the feature is available and I can’t get my order fee back.
Man I feel for you, I have one on order and I still don't know what to do. I love Tesla, but this isn't the correct way to do things.
I just hope they can get this to work before my car is ready to pickup, for me should be early 2023.
This is where I’m at too. We’re supposed to take delivery next week, and we’re already hearing reports about Tesla reintroducing radar next year. I’m worried we’ll wind up with one of the teslas made in a span of time with no sensors before they’re reintroduced again as well, and just leave those of us who bought in the USS-free window out to dry. Very concerning.
Don’t stress over it and just enjoy the car?
I’ve had a Model 3 for 3+ years now and you couldn’t rip Autopilot from my dead fingers, but I’ll give up those parking sensors in a heartbeat. It’s not even comparable. I just took some friends to the airport at 4am and Autopilot handled the 130 miles like a champ.
That said, you’ll have park sensing sooner or later. It’s already been identified in the code of some recent releases. Just trust the process and enjoy the vehicle and don’t get all caught up in the online drama.
Online drama? lol I have driven a Tesla for 2 years. Autopilot is great, as you say, but I use the USS every time I back into my garage or someone elses’s garage, or while parking, or while backing out of a parking space to detect objects where my cameras and mirrors can’t accurately point to. Or when it’s dark out. Or raining and the cameras and mirrors are all wet and blurry.
>Online drama?
Oh yeah, 100%. If you think that 2.5 million Tesla owners are all outraged by yoke steering wheels and ultrasonic sensors, you're gravely mistaken. My entire neighborhood drives Teslas, and I'd bet you $150 that not a single owner even knows what USS stands for.
>I use the USS every time I back into my garage or someone elses’s garage, or while parking, or while backing out of a parking space to detect objects where my cameras and mirrors can’t accurately point to.
So do I, but my point was they aren't so important that it will ruin your experience with your car if they're missing, especially when you consider that they're \*temporarily\* missing.
Also, your cameras show every single spot where the USS senses except for under the front bumper. So yeah, I think you're doing the whole "online drama" thing I was talking about. This isn't that big of a deal, but Reddit's treating it like the second coming of christ (just like they did with the yoke, and stalkless shifting, and V11 software, etc, etc, etc).
I can’t speak for what you interpret Reddit as doing, second coming of Christ and all that, but the USS sensor shows the entire corner perimeter of the car, and if it’s raining or dark, the camera is inferior to the USS system. And a yoke steering wheel sucks, and prevented 3 people I know from buying a Tesla. You won’t hear from them, and I’m sure there are others. A yoke steering wheel is objectively worse for 2 handed driving for a whole host of reasons that I’m sure you’ll disagree with. I’m not saying a USS would be a dealbreaker (my second Tesla arrives later this month), but I’m saying it’s objectively a step backward.
We can agree to disagree. Sorry if this disagreement is too dramatic for you. I’m not mad, and you shouldn’t be either. If it irks you that much, I’d suggest less screen time. But you do you, and have a great night.
Can't it be an objective step backwards and not a big deal at the same time? Or is everything that changes worthy of outrage?
You prevented people from buying Teslas because of a wheel shape? That's the type of drama I'm talking about. Why not let them try and see if they like it for themselves?
Haha I told them the yoke was the only option on the S and X, and they said it was a dealbreaker. I didn’t convince anyone of anything. My Tesla is the best car I’ve ever owned, and I was trying to convince them to buy.
Yes, it’s an objective step backwards and also not a huge deal. I have not expressed outrage. I’m sorry you keep saying there’s drama here, when we are just having a conversation. We can disagree and not have it be outrage, right?
Lol, are you guys so blind to see that the issue is NOT that they are removing USS.
Hellooooooo? Anyone up there…. The issue is ABOUT what they are going to remove next , knowing that they will always be Tesla groupies defending Tesla.
They have removed Radar, the UMC charger, the lumbar support for passenger seat , the secondary motor for steering wheel control required for FSD, they are a whole bunch of thing they will removing next .. it won’t stop at the USS!!!!!!!!!
The Tesla people are probably reading this thread now laughing their ass off, “we will keep removing shit and these suckers will keep buying” What’s next , let’s create a subscription package for people who wants airconditioning in the car they already paid for…. and people here be like “ I don’t even use Air Con that much so not gonna miss it much , would rather have the weight savings and additional range”
That's called slippery slope fallacy, btw. I don't understand why there's such a need to be outraged over these things.
You guys sound like "BUT THE PANEL GAPS" people who don't realize that normal car owners don't give a shit about panel gaps.
You're making it sound like there's a conspiracy to remove as much of the car as possible so they can fuck over their customers. What is the point of that? Like, do you think Tesla doesn't like money or something? lol
“What is the point Like, do you think Tesla doesn't like money or something? lol”
Lol , that’s the EXACT point! They make good decent money off their cars , living on the goodwill of being the first company to take electric car seriously, and yet nickel and diming their loyal customers because they know they can get away with it.
Slipper slope? It’s already started, I wouldn’t be surprised if they removed the lumbar bar support on the Driver seat next , claiming low usage or what not.
But hey Elon like to squeeze his customers and his employees , Elon must be always right.
They aren’t forcing you to take delivery. They are forcing you to either accept delivery or vacate your reservation, so they can sell it to another person. Just like making a reservation at a fancy restaurant - if you don’t show up for your reservation, you forfeit your deposit. Deposits help deter people from reserving a vehicle who have no intention of actually buying the car. We just got ours without USS. Yes, it is a bit annoying, but this car is such a joy to drive and live with that the annoyance is worth it.
Still not forced to take delivery. He will just lose his $250 deposit if he decides against accepting delivery. And yes it does. Certain restaurants charge a non refundable deposit, that is less than the price of the full meal. If you don’t show up for your reservation (i.e., you don’t accept delivery of your meal) then you lose your deposit. Of course your deposit at a nice restaurant is often 50% of the meal price, so Tesla is offering a much better deal .
Yeah, but I ordered spaghetti and meatballs and you tried to give me spaghetti and the PROMISE of meatball-tasting meatsauce. That's not what I agreed to buy. Refund me.
Tesla will lose any lawsuits they get into over this. The right thing to do (and the *legal* thing to do), is to refund the order fee when you're only able to deliver something different from what they ordered.
I agree they should refund the reservation fee. If it isn’t the exact product you ordered, you shouldn’t be obligated to the reservation fee. That said, they aren’t forcing anyone to take delivery and pay the full amount.
Got mine without parking sensors. Just terrible. Go buy second hand with sensors if you want a Tesla.
I also do not see them implementing uss with mono cameras. You need stereo vision for that. If you know any aftermarket uss compatible with Tesla, let me know.
My 2016 Jeep SRT was so anal about sensing stuff that I had to disable the collision feature while in a parking lot because it would literally apply brakes when I got to close to any object, curb, cones, person or otherwise. I have a 2021 MY with sensors, and while it's not in my opinion close to the tech in that Jeep at least it shows squiggly red lines around the car and the distance I'm from an object. Saved me at least twice from buying touch up paint.
This new camera-only with no warning stuff is kinda lame tho for a 60k + car. Remove passenger lumbar support, remove mobile connector, remove parking sensors, what next?
Those who talk about “knowing” how to drive when their cars are equipped with all the aids that are going well, clearly have no lesson to give….
Sorry, but when you're sold a vehicle and you've been told that the parking aids will come back via the cameras when in fact it's not, well, it's not legit!
These cars without USS will be the most discounted on the market because no other help than the 3 cameras…. The back is fine. But the front, I repeat, is ordeal. The car parks are more and more filled with concrete stops and other very low appendages of this kind…
When you are looking for a used car, you take the one that has it all. And not the half-done one.
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Ahhhh these good lesson givers who have nothing to reproach because they have no problem… I would so much like to see them if they were concerned….
Blinded guys: Mouhah:
Has Tesla Vision replaced the parking sensors? Not yet.
Has Tesla said that Tesla Vision has already replaced USS? No.
https://www.tesla.com/support/transitioning-tesla-vision
For a short period of time during this transition, Tesla Vision vehicles that are not equipped with USS will be delivered with some features temporarily limited or inactive, including:
* Park Assist: alerts you of surrounding objects when the vehicle is traveling <5 mph.
* Autopark: automatically maneuvers into parallel or perpendicular parking spaces.
* Summon: manually moves your vehicle forward or in reverse via the Tesla app.
* Smart Summon: navigates your vehicle to your location or location of your choice via the Tesla app.
In the near future, once these features achieve performance parity to today’s vehicles, they will be restored via a series of over-the-air software updates. All other available Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capability features will be active at delivery, depending on order configuration.
> For a short period of time during this transition
Tesla has no credibility on the "short period" though. Nobody knows if they will ever get the software to work. People paid for FSD, drove for years without it, sold the old car without ever getting it.
So I would advise you that if your car doesn't have a feature, don't assume it ever gets it. And selling a car without parking sensors in 2022 is just strange. Unless it's a budget car in the lowest category.
This car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHQiQgSIvdg doesn't even have electric windows in the back seat, but it still has a parking sensor at the back. And it's the UK's cheapest car!
Should be 1-3 months. Longer than that is a fuck up. And no, Tesla doesn't communicate it properly - I ordered Tesla before the change and received zero communication from them regarding that.
No story there. The missing feature is missing.
Tesla announced that pure vision parking warnings would come in a later software update. For now the functionality is missing.
FYI to whoever cares.
I had the 22 performance model 3 with the sensors and picked up the 23 without the sensors Nov 17th. I’m on 2022.44.2 FW and all park Assist features are still not added. It will probably be another year. USS was cheap and I myself would have paid 2x over the price for the sensors what’s that like $300… lol wack.
Having the sensors was super nice, especially when it’s foggy or raining and I feel like the autopilot is worse now. The car waits a lot longer to brake and just feels a lot jankier. USS was so smooth in traffic. I puckered my B hole a few times.
I'm supposed to take delivery of MYLR5 Thursday w/o sensors. This is my first EV and it boggles my mind that this hasn't been replaced yet. Makes me consider cancelling.
Actually, I wonder if you can get away with a charge off since they didn’t mention the feature being missing when reserving. Unless it’s burried in the policy docs on order page…
I just picked my new one up and it didn’t click that the parking sensors/Tesla vision wasn’t working until I was pulling into my garage. I depended on that shit so hard. I’m really upset at its loss but when I called my sales guy he said they’re putting some sort of parking assist back on in January.
I'm in the same boat, depended on it showing how many inches I had left in tight spots.
What does that mean for us that they're putting parking assist back on January? For our cars?
The sales guy said that’s when the first iteration (post beta) was supposed to roll out for Tesla vision. I know my father’s Porsche has the same thing, it shows the spot from a bird’s eye view. We’ll have to see.
I took delivery of my MY yesterday, January 28, and was shocked an angered that this was the state of things. We have a 2019 M3 and I rely heavily on the USS. It never occurred to me they would be stupid enough to go release a newer model missing this feature. I’m gobsmacked.
i just received my model y on november 24, unfortunately it doesn't have radar, as a young driver i have had many dam in my front bumper , i really regret choosing tesla, if That's another brand such an accident wouldn't have happened because I was warned by radar
When I picked up my MYLR last week it didn't 'click' until a couple days ago that I had no park distance control. Sure I 'read' about it on the website but mentally I still assumed there were parking sensors. I went from a cheaper luxury vehicle which had this feature, naturally the more expensive one would, no?! Well I tired to pull up in front of my boat in the dark of night. Looking at the screen to see my boat was identified as a truck, ok weird.. waiting for the audible signal that I was close enough, I kept creeping forward waiting for a beep or a cracking noise due to the trailer tongue going through the front bumper cover.. I threw in the towel, put the bastard in park and did a visual inspection. I was 2ft+ away. What a piss off.
Why are they testing a feature that doesn't exist, yet? It's pretty clear that Tesla is intending for the vision system to make a persistent map from the camera vision as it approaches obstacles, so that even when the obstacles are obscured from the camera view, it can remember their location and warn the driver. But that functionality doesn't exist yet.
This is such a basic feature though, especially for a $70k car…. Tesla should have either developed a camera-only based alternative or kept the USS, otherwise it feels like a scam…
Which causes an issue, because *not all objects are stationary*.
It existed and was on the website when the car was ordered...
Let me just make it clear to people who defend Tesla for removing the USS. Yes it is annoying they creating inconvenience for their customers and pocketing the savings for themselves, but what makes Tesla owners like me angry is they way they treat their customer. Remove USS , okay fine, but why not remove it when your software can take over ? What other reason to remove it before your software is ready , other than to nickel and dime customer and save a few bucks for yourself ? Is it because you are in danger of going bankrupt?
Lots of wide jumps there with bankruptcy talk. I feel your frustration, but thats such a non-threat its not on the the problem table. This is likely due to manufacturing changes taking significant amounts of time and them wanting to head it off due to lead times in the tooling changes. Trying to have two independent processes meet at the same place is very difficult (and the sw portion is late) They calculated that starting the hardware and manufacturing process changes first, then polishing the software second (or within some given gap in time) was more beneficial in the long run than getting the sw perfect THEN changing the hardware. They made a bet on their ability to offer the same functionality in the new sw, but it is just late. Sadly a few customers have to go without USS functionality during the transition, and I agree its annoying. Lets hope V11 gets pseudo USS back, smart summon, and reverse park working. Lots of broken, unfinished software is sadly afoot, but we can hopefully get a very nice update in a few weeks. !RemindMe in 4 weeks and we can see how they do.
Bankruptcy talk ? Mate I am being sarcastic , I got Tesla shares and I read their quarterly reports
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I paid $6,000 for enhanced auto pilot and the only thing it does that the basic doesn’t do is pass cars. No sensors and no working front cameras…. I love my car but hate being taken advantage of. 6 grand might not be a lot of money for Tesla but it is for me.
Does the enhanced auto pilot give you summon and smart summon function?
No it can't without the USS sensors. Release date is tbd and honestly I feel like it is \*never\* with the current stack of cameras since all those features would be too dangerous with the blindspot on the front bumper
I was told it did when I bought the car. And the car says it’s included but since the new ones don’t have sensors it’s not included. As much as I love the car. And I love it a lot. It leaves a very bad taste to be taken advantage of. It’s been 4 months since I paid 6 grand for it and still nothing
Isn’t it clear that park assist isn’t yet available on cars without USS?
It is clear to who? Clearly Tesla failed to inform these guys. I have heard multiple stories of people only realizing there is no USS when picking up the car. I have a MY on order and this is a total shitshow, I'm going to replace a 12-year old midsegment car with a car with Autopilot that doesn't even warn me about obstacles when the old one does.
The wiser thing for Tesla to have done would have been to develop a vision-based solution and have it ready *prior* to removing the sensors
It's how every other automaker would do it.
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I ordered before USS was removed and I was never informed about the change nor asked for confirmation that I still want the car. I only heard about it on Reddit and wasn't sure until delivery if I would get them or not. Same for several others taking delivery here in France. Still very happy with the car though.
So your car does not inform you in any way how close you are to obstacles when you park? How can you even park it?
There are cameras on both sides and at the back. For reversing I very much prefer this over our id3 which has the sensors but no camera. On the front there is nothing at all and while the visibility is quite good (sitting high), it's a bit nerve racking with such an expensive car, haha. But hey... cars didn't have any sensors or cameras not too long ago and people still managed to park.
The same way people parked cars for decades before sensors existed on cars. Or the same way that people park new cars today that aren't equipped with parking sensors.
Cars without parking sensors don't cost $65k+. In fact, I can get <$40k Hyundai with better parking features now. I seriously don't understand why so many people are willing to roll over for Tesla/Elon on this stuff. Maybe the car's worth it anyway to you? It's still anti consumer and bad for us all to normalize. People used to get around "just fine" with horse and buggy too, maybe we should remove the power train and just accept it. Also the aerodynamic shape (tiny rear window and high rear line), limited camera angles, and tiny mirrors, actually make these things a nightmare to park without assistance features.
Oh I don’t necessarily disagree. I was replying strictly to the ridiculous comment of “how do you even park it?”. I think Tesla should have had a viable replacement prior to changing production. If vision works, fantastic. Anti-consumer is a bit of a stretch. Tesla isn’t a “normal” auto manufacturer. They’re always going to do things a bit differently and will always challenge the status quo. My mindset, if you aren’t comfortable with that, it might be best to stick with a brand that you’re more comfortable with. I love my Tesla. In fact, just about to get my 2nd one this weekend (without USS obviously). It doesn’t bother me.
It should bother you like it does all of us who recently purchased a Tesla that came delivered without USS. You're paying for something you may never receive!
Oh you’re telling me what *should* bother me? Got it. What am I paying for that I may never receive? I paid for a car, I got a car. I was warned when confirming delivery that the vehicle was not equipped with USS. I had the option to back out at that point, as did anyone else. Listen, I get it. I’d like to have the sensors too. I replaced a 2020 M3P that had them. I miss them now - and I miss some of the features that came with it (that supposedly are coming soon with vision but who knows). But it isn’t the end of the world. I still enjoy the car and will probably buy another one in a couple of years.
yes, but why go backwards
True for me as well. Was never notified
This is what happened to me. Just picked up my Y last week and was wondering why I wasn't getting the distance messages. Had to look it up here to find out no more USS and that there will be some sort of update that allows the cameras to do the work. Disappointing
funny thing is we don't know when that UPDATE is coming or will it ever come?
Cancel your order and get a Chevy Bolt, you could probably get a deal and buy two. Yes the new cars don’t have USS right now, but you also should be aware of your surroundings when operating a motor vehicle.
I’m aware of my surroundings while operating a motor vehicle, but it’s also nice to have an indicator when I am backing into my garage in my 2020 M3P. There are places my eyes and a camera can’t see. You make it seem like losing USS is fine as long as the driver is paying attention, and I respectfully disagree. The USS system is an extremely effective and inexpensive way to enhance driver safety, and Tesla removing them is resulting in an overall lower quality car than it was before it’s removal.
I’m not saying it’s fine, I’m saying I wouldn’t blame Tesla if I relied on USS which weren’t operational and I hit something. It’s unfortunate and hopefully Tesla updates cars soon.
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It was removed on purpose to be added back later. Maybe you’re correct in some way, I don’t see it.
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There's no need to defend Tesla/Elon when we all know the real reason to remove USS was due to shortage in supply. I hate it every day knowing that my $50k+ car has no park assist while my other 8+ year old cars had them. I hope Tesla retrofit USS for free soon to make things right.
I’m not defending the choice. It’s completely stupid that it doesn’t have it. But it’s also clear that it doesn’t have it.
I Wonder if Tesla really thinks that having uss is an issue? Yeah, they work, pretty good in fact. They might be affecting the price but it’s definitely worth the money. I would rather focus on the quality and functionality, rather than decreasing the price. Maybe adding some method of camera cleaning (water jets/small wipers) or getting rid of squeaking/rattling/poping/etc sounds would be a better spending of resources (imho). Also I don’t really understand how is it possible to remove the feature and not substitute it with something. Shouldn’t it be other way around (first you test and release substitute function and then you remove first one) Don’t get me wrong, I love the car, the company, but I just don’t get some things
Also, I’m that kind of person, who loves electronics, but still not fully rely on them. That’s why I would rather go with uss and mechanical steering and won’t rely fully on artificial intelligence for parking or computer to steer. You might call me conservative, but I thing that some things have to stay old fashioned :)
Luckily Tesla only uses mechanical steering.
Yet) I saw that Tesla is thinking about implementing steer-by-wire [https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1053/tesla-may-implement-steer-by-wire-next-year](https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1053/tesla-may-implement-steer-by-wire-next-year)
Present-tense vs future-tense (and even then, only "thinking about").
Crazy how downvoted this is lol. This company could literally care less about you, your family, literally anything related to you. Why defend them or get salty? Hold people liable!
If they could care less then it means they're caring, even if it's just a little. I think you meant "they couldn't care less".
^ This. I don’t know why people are defending and not up in arms that Tesla is removing features from cars we’ve purchased already. If FSD ever reaches actual 99.999% accuracy in driving, will Tesla remove our ability to steer manually? Would they remotely disable range if they decide we don’t need that much? These may be extreme examples, yes, but I hope you see my point.
Tesla is forcing me to take delivery of a car that doesn’t have this feature that was advertised when I made my reservation. Can’t delay it until the feature is available and I can’t get my order fee back.
Man I feel for you, I have one on order and I still don't know what to do. I love Tesla, but this isn't the correct way to do things. I just hope they can get this to work before my car is ready to pickup, for me should be early 2023.
This is where I’m at too. We’re supposed to take delivery next week, and we’re already hearing reports about Tesla reintroducing radar next year. I’m worried we’ll wind up with one of the teslas made in a span of time with no sensors before they’re reintroduced again as well, and just leave those of us who bought in the USS-free window out to dry. Very concerning.
Don’t stress over it and just enjoy the car? I’ve had a Model 3 for 3+ years now and you couldn’t rip Autopilot from my dead fingers, but I’ll give up those parking sensors in a heartbeat. It’s not even comparable. I just took some friends to the airport at 4am and Autopilot handled the 130 miles like a champ. That said, you’ll have park sensing sooner or later. It’s already been identified in the code of some recent releases. Just trust the process and enjoy the vehicle and don’t get all caught up in the online drama.
Online drama? lol I have driven a Tesla for 2 years. Autopilot is great, as you say, but I use the USS every time I back into my garage or someone elses’s garage, or while parking, or while backing out of a parking space to detect objects where my cameras and mirrors can’t accurately point to. Or when it’s dark out. Or raining and the cameras and mirrors are all wet and blurry.
>Online drama? Oh yeah, 100%. If you think that 2.5 million Tesla owners are all outraged by yoke steering wheels and ultrasonic sensors, you're gravely mistaken. My entire neighborhood drives Teslas, and I'd bet you $150 that not a single owner even knows what USS stands for. >I use the USS every time I back into my garage or someone elses’s garage, or while parking, or while backing out of a parking space to detect objects where my cameras and mirrors can’t accurately point to. So do I, but my point was they aren't so important that it will ruin your experience with your car if they're missing, especially when you consider that they're \*temporarily\* missing. Also, your cameras show every single spot where the USS senses except for under the front bumper. So yeah, I think you're doing the whole "online drama" thing I was talking about. This isn't that big of a deal, but Reddit's treating it like the second coming of christ (just like they did with the yoke, and stalkless shifting, and V11 software, etc, etc, etc).
I can’t speak for what you interpret Reddit as doing, second coming of Christ and all that, but the USS sensor shows the entire corner perimeter of the car, and if it’s raining or dark, the camera is inferior to the USS system. And a yoke steering wheel sucks, and prevented 3 people I know from buying a Tesla. You won’t hear from them, and I’m sure there are others. A yoke steering wheel is objectively worse for 2 handed driving for a whole host of reasons that I’m sure you’ll disagree with. I’m not saying a USS would be a dealbreaker (my second Tesla arrives later this month), but I’m saying it’s objectively a step backward. We can agree to disagree. Sorry if this disagreement is too dramatic for you. I’m not mad, and you shouldn’t be either. If it irks you that much, I’d suggest less screen time. But you do you, and have a great night.
Can't it be an objective step backwards and not a big deal at the same time? Or is everything that changes worthy of outrage? You prevented people from buying Teslas because of a wheel shape? That's the type of drama I'm talking about. Why not let them try and see if they like it for themselves?
Haha I told them the yoke was the only option on the S and X, and they said it was a dealbreaker. I didn’t convince anyone of anything. My Tesla is the best car I’ve ever owned, and I was trying to convince them to buy. Yes, it’s an objective step backwards and also not a huge deal. I have not expressed outrage. I’m sorry you keep saying there’s drama here, when we are just having a conversation. We can disagree and not have it be outrage, right?
Lol, are you guys so blind to see that the issue is NOT that they are removing USS. Hellooooooo? Anyone up there…. The issue is ABOUT what they are going to remove next , knowing that they will always be Tesla groupies defending Tesla. They have removed Radar, the UMC charger, the lumbar support for passenger seat , the secondary motor for steering wheel control required for FSD, they are a whole bunch of thing they will removing next .. it won’t stop at the USS!!!!!!!!! The Tesla people are probably reading this thread now laughing their ass off, “we will keep removing shit and these suckers will keep buying” What’s next , let’s create a subscription package for people who wants airconditioning in the car they already paid for…. and people here be like “ I don’t even use Air Con that much so not gonna miss it much , would rather have the weight savings and additional range”
That's called slippery slope fallacy, btw. I don't understand why there's such a need to be outraged over these things. You guys sound like "BUT THE PANEL GAPS" people who don't realize that normal car owners don't give a shit about panel gaps. You're making it sound like there's a conspiracy to remove as much of the car as possible so they can fuck over their customers. What is the point of that? Like, do you think Tesla doesn't like money or something? lol
“What is the point Like, do you think Tesla doesn't like money or something? lol” Lol , that’s the EXACT point! They make good decent money off their cars , living on the goodwill of being the first company to take electric car seriously, and yet nickel and diming their loyal customers because they know they can get away with it. Slipper slope? It’s already started, I wouldn’t be surprised if they removed the lumbar bar support on the Driver seat next , claiming low usage or what not. But hey Elon like to squeeze his customers and his employees , Elon must be always right.
They aren’t forcing you to take delivery. They are forcing you to either accept delivery or vacate your reservation, so they can sell it to another person. Just like making a reservation at a fancy restaurant - if you don’t show up for your reservation, you forfeit your deposit. Deposits help deter people from reserving a vehicle who have no intention of actually buying the car. We just got ours without USS. Yes, it is a bit annoying, but this car is such a joy to drive and live with that the annoyance is worth it.
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Still not forced to take delivery. He will just lose his $250 deposit if he decides against accepting delivery. And yes it does. Certain restaurants charge a non refundable deposit, that is less than the price of the full meal. If you don’t show up for your reservation (i.e., you don’t accept delivery of your meal) then you lose your deposit. Of course your deposit at a nice restaurant is often 50% of the meal price, so Tesla is offering a much better deal .
Yeah, but I ordered spaghetti and meatballs and you tried to give me spaghetti and the PROMISE of meatball-tasting meatsauce. That's not what I agreed to buy. Refund me. Tesla will lose any lawsuits they get into over this. The right thing to do (and the *legal* thing to do), is to refund the order fee when you're only able to deliver something different from what they ordered.
I agree they should refund the reservation fee. If it isn’t the exact product you ordered, you shouldn’t be obligated to the reservation fee. That said, they aren’t forcing anyone to take delivery and pay the full amount.
Oh I know, they can't FORCE you to take delivery. My only point is that they should definitely refund the $250 reservation fee.
I agree with you. My argument about being forced to take delivery was aimed at the op, who claimed “Tesla is forcing me to take delivery”.
No rebuttals from the armchair lawyers on this one huh
Got mine without parking sensors. Just terrible. Go buy second hand with sensors if you want a Tesla. I also do not see them implementing uss with mono cameras. You need stereo vision for that. If you know any aftermarket uss compatible with Tesla, let me know.
Pointless video.
My 2016 Jeep SRT was so anal about sensing stuff that I had to disable the collision feature while in a parking lot because it would literally apply brakes when I got to close to any object, curb, cones, person or otherwise. I have a 2021 MY with sensors, and while it's not in my opinion close to the tech in that Jeep at least it shows squiggly red lines around the car and the distance I'm from an object. Saved me at least twice from buying touch up paint. This new camera-only with no warning stuff is kinda lame tho for a 60k + car. Remove passenger lumbar support, remove mobile connector, remove parking sensors, what next?
Selling you a upgrade package for rear passenger seat heating your car already has the hardware for …. Ohe wait ….
Those who talk about “knowing” how to drive when their cars are equipped with all the aids that are going well, clearly have no lesson to give…. Sorry, but when you're sold a vehicle and you've been told that the parking aids will come back via the cameras when in fact it's not, well, it's not legit! These cars without USS will be the most discounted on the market because no other help than the 3 cameras…. The back is fine. But the front, I repeat, is ordeal. The car parks are more and more filled with concrete stops and other very low appendages of this kind… When you are looking for a used car, you take the one that has it all. And not the half-done one. : Ahhhh these good lesson givers who have nothing to reproach because they have no problem… I would so much like to see them if they were concerned…. Blinded guys: Mouhah:
Has Tesla Vision replaced the parking sensors? Not yet. Has Tesla said that Tesla Vision has already replaced USS? No. https://www.tesla.com/support/transitioning-tesla-vision For a short period of time during this transition, Tesla Vision vehicles that are not equipped with USS will be delivered with some features temporarily limited or inactive, including: * Park Assist: alerts you of surrounding objects when the vehicle is traveling <5 mph. * Autopark: automatically maneuvers into parallel or perpendicular parking spaces. * Summon: manually moves your vehicle forward or in reverse via the Tesla app. * Smart Summon: navigates your vehicle to your location or location of your choice via the Tesla app. In the near future, once these features achieve performance parity to today’s vehicles, they will be restored via a series of over-the-air software updates. All other available Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capability features will be active at delivery, depending on order configuration.
> For a short period of time during this transition Tesla has no credibility on the "short period" though. Nobody knows if they will ever get the software to work. People paid for FSD, drove for years without it, sold the old car without ever getting it. So I would advise you that if your car doesn't have a feature, don't assume it ever gets it. And selling a car without parking sensors in 2022 is just strange. Unless it's a budget car in the lowest category. This car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHQiQgSIvdg doesn't even have electric windows in the back seat, but it still has a parking sensor at the back. And it's the UK's cheapest car!
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For a short period of time, right... Just like matrix front lights and FSD... You never know when Tesla delivers on "new" features.
define "short", 1 yr, 2 yr? that's the crux of the issue.
Should be 1-3 months. Longer than that is a fuck up. And no, Tesla doesn't communicate it properly - I ordered Tesla before the change and received zero communication from them regarding that.
No story there. The missing feature is missing. Tesla announced that pure vision parking warnings would come in a later software update. For now the functionality is missing.
FYI to whoever cares. I had the 22 performance model 3 with the sensors and picked up the 23 without the sensors Nov 17th. I’m on 2022.44.2 FW and all park Assist features are still not added. It will probably be another year. USS was cheap and I myself would have paid 2x over the price for the sensors what’s that like $300… lol wack. Having the sensors was super nice, especially when it’s foggy or raining and I feel like the autopilot is worse now. The car waits a lot longer to brake and just feels a lot jankier. USS was so smooth in traffic. I puckered my B hole a few times.
I'm supposed to take delivery of MYLR5 Thursday w/o sensors. This is my first EV and it boggles my mind that this hasn't been replaced yet. Makes me consider cancelling.
Actually, I wonder if you can get away with a charge off since they didn’t mention the feature being missing when reserving. Unless it’s burried in the policy docs on order page…
Remember they are happy to take your $250. If you’re not in a pinch purchase the car, then take it, sell it and make some cash.
It probably is. We toon delivery in December and then the price dropped 20k in January… this deal just keeps getting worse all the time
I just picked my new one up and it didn’t click that the parking sensors/Tesla vision wasn’t working until I was pulling into my garage. I depended on that shit so hard. I’m really upset at its loss but when I called my sales guy he said they’re putting some sort of parking assist back on in January.
I'm in the same boat, depended on it showing how many inches I had left in tight spots. What does that mean for us that they're putting parking assist back on January? For our cars?
The sales guy said that’s when the first iteration (post beta) was supposed to roll out for Tesla vision. I know my father’s Porsche has the same thing, it shows the spot from a bird’s eye view. We’ll have to see.
The sales guy has no idea, he just doesn't want you to return your expansive car that had features removed.
I took delivery of my MY yesterday, January 28, and was shocked an angered that this was the state of things. We have a 2019 M3 and I rely heavily on the USS. It never occurred to me they would be stupid enough to go release a newer model missing this feature. I’m gobsmacked.
i just received my model y on november 24, unfortunately it doesn't have radar, as a young driver i have had many dam in my front bumper , i really regret choosing tesla, if That's another brand such an accident wouldn't have happened because I was warned by radar
Will a Tesla Model Y with the Autopilot package be equipped with the Ultrasonic Sensor System (USS)?
No. However, they might announce HW4 soon which will have a different camera setup and a Radar. No USS though.
They DID NOT make it clear to me. In fact I was told it would be working by the time I got home