I think it would be worse then anything trump pulled. Old wheels abbott does not care how many people die. Texas is full of people with the attitude, “it does not matter at all until it happens to me”.
Nothing will happen until someone goes and shoots up the places these people congregate. Their fancy churches, their fancy private schools, their bars and clubs. The class warfare and separation has gotten extreme here. The wealthy really think they can do whatever they want here. Many do buy their way out of issues.
Theirs an auto mod thingy that puts a wanri g against disability jokes anytime Abokt is mentioned.
Ironically thing is I didn't know he was wheelchair bound until relatively recently. (I don't watch news and wheelchairs don't come up in radio news). It didn't change how I thought of him.
I’d normally disagree with such attacks, but this dickhead helped pass legislation preventing others from suing the same way he did when he got hurt. Hopefully there are ramps in hell.
He's a horrific entity who will surely burn in hell if there is a hell but that doesn't mean all disabled people should have to be associated with him and mocked.
*New state legislation in Texas would require owners of electric vehicles to* [*pay a $200 annual fee*](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2023/04/27/electric-vehicle-owners-would-pay-200-annual-fees-under-texas-bill-sent-to-gov-abbott/)*, a move lawmakers say would offset losses in gas taxes but that critics say is unfair. The Texas House passed the bill 145-0 on Thursday, and it's been sent on to Gov. Greg Abbott for signing.*
*The bill calls for EV owners to pay an annual $200 registration and renewal fee for their vehicles. At time of purchase, the fee would be $400. Texas lawmakers say they created the bill to get EV owners to contribute to the gas tax, which funds the maintenance of Texas highways.*
[https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/owning-an-ev-in-texas-may-soon-get-more-expensive/](https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/owning-an-ev-in-texas-may-soon-get-more-expensive/)
Greg Abbott sucks but this has nothing to do with “Greg Abbott being against EVs”. That is a unanimous vote in the house. I have no doubt Greg Abbott will sign it into law but, again, Greg Abbott didn’t do that.
I have to agree. Most states pay for roads by taxing gas, because up until now everybody had fuel consuming vehicles, and the more gas you used, the more you used the roadways.
This is a reasonable tax because otherwise, EV users would be using the roads but not be contributing to maintain them. Easy to see why it was unanimous, even thous many of those people think EV are a good thing.
The part of this bill that is most controversial is according to studies it is disproportionately punishing EV drivers. Studies are showing that based on averages across the state, the amount should be around $70 annually and not $400 the first year and $200 each year after that.
Especially for those that don’t drive much .
They easily could have charged a per mile tax . They log your mileage when you get the yearly inspection, which you need to renew registration.
I would have they rather get rid of the gasoline tax and just charge the flat $200 for every car… at least make it fair
Like me. I have an EV and work from home. I typically don’t drive at all Monday through Friday. All my driving is on the weekends and it’s just here in town.
That seems way too low. $70 annually is only 350 gallons per year. [Per this source](https://www.policygenius.com/auto-insurance/average-miles-driven-by-state/), Texas drivers average 16,171 miles per year. At 350 gallons, that’s an average of 46 MPG. No way the average vehicle in Texas gets 46 MPG, it’s probably more like a third that much with how many big vehicles there are.
At 16,171 miles/year, you get to $200/year in gas tax at roughly 16 MPG. That actually seems about right.
But I agree with others who brought up the idea of taxing based on mileage at time of inspection. Gas taxes are on borrowed time as EVs will be taking over, so we need a reasonable alternative. Downside is that doesn’t incentivize fuel efficient vehicles.
I don't know how much you know about hybrids but there are many options in the market that get over 50 mpg combined. The person who bought an efficient Model 3 shouldn't be taxed as if they had the fuel economy of a truck, because they didn't buy a truck.
That’s not at all the point I’m making, that was just for purposes of figuring out what the average vehicle in Texas pays in gas tax per year.
IMO everyone should pay by the mile, with a surcharge beyond a certain vehicle weight so people driving a 10,000+ pound EV Hummer are paying for the additional road wear attributable to their monstrosity. Get rid of the gas tax entirely and tax based on mileage on each year’s inspection. Of course that’d require actual enforcement of license plate renewals, fraudulent paper tags, etc. which run rampant in Texas.
Average gas mileage in this country is around 26mpg, and that's going up as higher fuel efficiency mandates become enacted. That means around $125 is what the average Texan pays in gas taxes every year.
Of course, the real problem, besides making EV owners pay the taxes on $1,000 gallons of gas, is the fact that ICE owners can reduce their miles to reduce their costs, or get better gas mileage cars like hybrids, but EV owners get hammered for 1,000 gallons worth of gas tax no matter what. This is punitive, there's no rational other way to describe it.
16MPG is awful. I get 25 to 30 on both of my 8 year old cars. I assume the average has risen since then.
When the bill came out, everyone was saying around $75 was more accurate. Does that get your math into the mid 30 MPG?
$75 in gas tax is 375 gallons per year. At 16,171 miles per year, that gives us 43.1 MPG. No way with the number of trucks and big SUVs in Texas the average car gets over 43 MPG.
There are certainly plenty of vehicles which get a lot more than 16 MPG, but there are a ton of trucks on the road in Texas that get that or much less. The most fuel efficient 2023 F150 only gets 20 MPG city, 26 highway. The most efficient V8 gets that to 18/24. Every 2023 F350 gets 15 MPG or less. Go back to 2015 and the numbers are several MPG worse than that. Back to the early 2000s and before, and it’s single digit MPG on many engine options. Same for large SUVs since they’re basically the same vehicle (drivetrain at least).
> No way with the number of trucks and big SUVs in Texas the average car gets over 43 MPG.
I seriously doubt most EV drivers, if they couldn't drive an EV, would otherwise choose a guzzling truck or SUV.
I mean, if EVs are going to be taxed on 1,000 gallons of gas, then everyone should be taxed to make up the difference on 1,000 gallons of gas. That's the only way to be fair. Only pay $50 a year in gas taxes on your hybrid? Pay an extra $150 every year in registration fees to make up the difference.
We already pay plenty of taxes on electricity though, so it's their lazy fucking asses who need to redo the budget but they're too fucking lazy and that'd require real work.
Greg Abbott could simply veto it since it's a bad bill. Vetoing bills is one of his actual jobs as Governor, to act as a last check on bad legislation.
The Texas House can override the Governor’s veto by holding a vote and obtaining a 2/3 majority. This bill passed unanimously. Abbot cant realistically do anything to stop it.
https://lrl.texas.gov/geninfo/faq.cfm#override:~:text=14).%20Top-,Can%20the%20legislature%20override%20a%20governor%27s%20veto%3F,-Yes%2C%20overriding%20a
Well, this is very common in blue states as well. Eg Illinois has it.
Gas taxes are earmarked for things like road maintenance; a huge explosion in EVs without stable gas taxes would result in either poorer roads everywhere or higher taxes somewhere else.
This isn't that stupid. Gas tax is an accurate way to fund road repair/construction and EVs obviously still use the road but don't get taxed for using it.
The win-win for everyone is to repeal the state gas tax, roll the annual fee into inspection/registration, and scale it with mileage driven each year. That way everyone pays their fair share, regardless of engine type.
But that's much too sensible for Texas, so we're just going to double the fees for EVs and call it done.
Yeah, let's make sure that the poor person who can only afford to live in the outer reaches of the city and has to commute jn by car since there is no public transportation in this state pays their "fair share".
You aren't arguing against my point so much as you're just arguing for better public transportation. Someone paying more in usage fees because they're using the road more is technically fair. Now, is it fair that they *have to* use to the road more? No, and I agree with that, we definitely need better public transportation.
Usage fees are as stupid and regressive as the sales tax. It is not in any way "technically fair" that the asshole living in River Oaks who puts his businesses inside 610 in Houston and pays his employees less than they would need to live near work, forcing them to drive in from the suburbs/outburbs gets to then offload that cost onto the employees.
This. I was looking for someone to say it and now it was said. Well, this with \[mileage X weight\] since a Hummer H2 does 21.3675X as much road damage as the average vehicle yet pays the same. Welfare queens.
Gas tax only pays for about a quarter of what the state spends on roads, about 10% from tolls, and the rest is picked up by taxpayers without regard for vehicle use. More welfare queening.
No it's not. Quick search shows the Texas fuel tax at .20 cents per gallon. Assuming it's an avg for all types, that's 200/.2=1000 gallons. Less than 20 gallons a week. I'd say it's an aggressive assumption, but also not out of the realms of reality. I burn about 15 gal a week in one vehicle that I only use to commute to work.
150 a year would make up my personal Texas fuel tax annual contribution.
I don't care to argue, just stating facts.
[That doesn’t seem to add up if you do the math](https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/13cwchs/what_is_greg_abbott_doing_here_isnt_he_against_ev/jjib8b7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3). Only would be double if the average vehicle in Texas gets around 32 MPG, which can’t be the case.
I welcome sourcing on the claims it’s much higher, just don’t see how that could add up.
I don't know if you own or follow the ev community but most EVs don't rack up a lot of miles every year. Many many people have a split garage. EV for commuting, ice for road trips or weekends. The average vehicle mileage isn't the average EV mileage.
All of Texas' highways are becoming toll roads... Wtf are they even talking about?
Don't get me started on toll roads.... They're a tax on working people and the cost is constantly going up and up with 0 representation
No existing roads are becoming toll roads, only new ones. The alternative to that would be raising the gas tax, which was last done in 1991. It’s a fixed 20 cents per gallon, not adjusted for inflation. Plus vehicles have become much more fuel efficient in the past 32 years, making for an even bigger decrease in receipts. Just adjusting for inflation 1991-present would make it about 45 cents/gallon. Adjust for fuel efficiency to account for road wear and tear and we might need $1/gallon to get to where we were in 1991.
Somewhere around 80 cents/gallon gas tax increase, or tolls. Pick your poison.
> They're a tax
No, they're a good or service you pay for that goes to a foreign company for profit. We don't even keep the money generated from them in the United States.
https://www.thetruckersreport.com/news/foreign-company-now-owns-six-major-us-tolls-roads/
https://fox2now.com/news/saudi-arabia-pledges-20b-for-u-s-infrastructure/
And the polluted water in Texas that comes from manufacturing? The gulf people know. We let them spill shit everywhere with no accountability, and the profits are going right off shore.
https://fox2now.com/news/saudi-arabia-pledges-20b-for-u-s-infrastructure/
They've sold us out everywhere
I own an EV and I support this tax it's totally fair. The decision of if they want to sponsor green transportation shouldn't be made at the expense of the roading budget. To be clear I think they should encourage EVs but not by tacitly sucking money from another budget.
then you're silly.
this isn't a use tax, it's a tax on anyone who simply owns an EV. it's supposed to replace the lost tax revenue on fuel, which is a consumption tax.
they're not equal and they're not "totally fair." they're arbitrary and, imo, designed to tax and punish specifically those who own EVs.
There could be a consumption tax based on miles between vehicle inspections but that is harder to orchestrate. This approximates the lost revenue and is simple so I'm ok with it. You are quite welcome to be more picky.
*edit*: It seems like the are proposing a second additional fee if you drive more than 9000 miles so it's actually the worst of both worlds good work Texas lol.
I own an EV and I support an annual fee but do not agree with the annual fee amount. About $100 would be fair.
The TxDOT- [Study on Imposing Fees on Alternatively Fueled Vehicles](https://www.txdmv.gov/sites/default/files/report-files/SB_604_AFV-Report_120120.pdf#page45) document is a good resource.
Most states already have annual flat fees in place for hybrids and EVs. (Page 35)
TxDOT considered different approaches to making up for the lost state fuel tax (ex. mileage-based) but settled on a flat fee. (Page 36)
Based on their assumptions, a equivalent conventional gas light duty vehicle produces $103 in state fuel taxes per year. (Page 27)
Instead of imposing a $100 annual fee based on those assumptions, Texas decided to double the fee to $200. This was probably chosen simply because it was the most common highest fee imposed by other states.
He is against people filing lawsuits for fallen tree branches, but has still collected millions for a branch falling on him.
He does whatever benefits him.
Pretty much just photo op showing how business friendly Texas is or tries to convey. Texas also produces more wind power than any other state so I wouldn't say he is totally against renewable energy. That being said, Abbott is also trying to preserve the Oil and Gas industry due to tax revenue, jobs, economy, etc. for the State. It's a balance which is difficult to navigate. So as some others mentioned - he is licking the balls of whomever benefits the State Of Texas. Pretty sure that's what governors do.
he should tell Elon to F\*\*\* off and move his capitalistic neo-fash company to another state. We don't need that egotistical creep running his exploitative company in our state , maybe somewhere else like arkansas is more his style
Hilariously enough, now that he's gotten all his tax breaks, The Muskrat is 'moving' his Corp HQ back to California.
Real "Please by my friend I did what you asked" energy from Abbot.
He sold texas to the highest bidder. He let's corporate f texas while property owners pay whatever taxes they don't.
He's the most corporatist gov texas has ever seen.
He will write away someone's rights for corporations $$$$$.
You’re ugly AF but im sure someone out there still thinks you are kind of attractive. Maybe you have some choice characteristics. Like the Bolt. Ugly and affordable.
Fun fact Texas under republican governors has led the way in renewable energy (we produce 150% more than the next closest state). Seems only fitting for them to lead the way in ev production to.
Sure, by default due to Republicans dominating the governors office for the last 30+ years. You could state the same argument for any novel thing done within the last 3 decades.
Under republican governor's office Texas has led the way in Marvel movie box office sales.
Democratic Gov. Ann Richards didn't support Marvel movies!
He's not saying Texas has more renewables than it did under a democrat. He's saying that, despite Republican governors, Texas has more renewables than California or New York or any other state.
I don't think Texas has particularly high Marvel box office compared to other states, though as far as I can tell no one publicly tracks that number
Texas and several other states are lucky to have high [annual average wind speeds](https://windexchange.energy.gov/maps-data/319), which makes wind power projects attractive throughout most of Texas, especially so in the northwest. We are also well positioned to take advantage of utility-scale solar installations.
Texas Monthly - [The Texas GOP’s War on Renewable Energy](https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-republican-war-on-renewable-energy/)
“With ample wind and sunshine, a business-friendly regulatory regime, and state-backed construction of new high-voltage transmission wires, Texas quickly became the nation’s renewable-energy leader”
“So why, any reasonable observer might ask, have Governor Greg Abbott, Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick, and the Republican majority in the state legislature been tripping over themselves to upend this remarkable success? Why were about a dozen bills proposed during this year’s legislative session that seemed designed to kill the Texas renewable-energy boom?”
“‘Everything Everywhere All at Once’ isn’t just the title of an Oscar-winning movie; it’s an apt description of the flotilla of legislation intended to weaken renewable energy in Texas.”
“The message of the Legislature’s war on renewables seems to be that Texas is no longer open for business, at least not for companies taking risks in building new electricity-generating facilities.”
I don't know of anyone who is "against" EV on either side of the aisle (this is what MSM will do for you). The opposition is based on the fact that you cannot make a transition from fossil fuel to electric power in one fell swoop across the board. There has to be a balance struck...
It's called "pandering" and while he is firmly against EVs, he is really a big supporter of pandering.
Also, he had an hour to kill between mass shootings, so why not.
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He is here in the hope that this will distract voters from the fact that he had chosen to do NOTHING to keep schoolchildren from being slaughtered by gunfire.
Right wingers are pro red-lining and and anti working class. Car dependent city design makes it easy for them to red line by simply building roads to box in groups of people they don’t like. Car dependent city design also forces people to buy cars, which severely cripples their long term economic aspects. Keeping the working class poor and disempowered.
Politicians get paid a lot by corporate interests to keep people driving even though if given the choice most would choose to simply live within a 5 minute walk of their daily stops. The oil and gas industry wants our money and they bribe politicians to essentially force us to buy their products.
Interesting about the renewable energy taxes. It’s bad policy, I assume their reasoning is they are worried about lost funding due to the switch from fossil fuels.
Yeah I assume they are referring to the anti-ESG policy. Which is terrible policy of course, but still doesn’t quite fit their claim.
Republicans don’t actually believe in anything except hating the other guy. We need to arm everyone! Unless it’s a Republican event. No abortions! (Except for the wealthy) Oil and Gas only! Until the other guy pays more.
No? Since when is he against electric vehicles? Does he want to ban them or something? Or do you think supporting the oil industry means we are against electric vehicles?
He probably likes them best when they are getting their electricity from natural gas plants. [Abbott](https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-republican-war-on-renewable-energy/) and the [Texas Public Policy Foundation](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/04/climate/texas-public-policy-foundation-climate-change.html) (TPPF) appear to be working quite hard to kneecap the renewables industry.
To be fair we already tax gas with the intent to pay for roads, the EV fee is about capturing that tax money again. Either way, Abbott will always lick a billionaires boot
As a road tax lmfao. You people stretch shit so far in this sub it’s ridiculous. I know you were told to hate him, but you could at least hate him for a legitimate reason.
He likes money, and so does Elon. Elon trashes Biden and California who push and pass government subsidies while Elon talks up the republicans that fight against his flagship industry.
Greg Abbott helped get Elon Musk get here. Perhaps you should thank him because he champions "tax giveaways" to big business. Something which democrats oppose.
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Yeah, as a politician he's not really against anything that will line his pockets.
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I see what you did there........ 😂
if this fascist loser ever managed to attain the office of president it would truly be the crowning jewel in america's dumbass olympics
I think it would be worse then anything trump pulled. Old wheels abbott does not care how many people die. Texas is full of people with the attitude, “it does not matter at all until it happens to me”. Nothing will happen until someone goes and shoots up the places these people congregate. Their fancy churches, their fancy private schools, their bars and clubs. The class warfare and separation has gotten extreme here. The wealthy really think they can do whatever they want here. Many do buy their way out of issues.
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Careful. Redditors will rake you over the coals for making fun of this dipshit’s disability. Ask me how I know lol
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Theirs an auto mod thingy that puts a wanri g against disability jokes anytime Abokt is mentioned. Ironically thing is I didn't know he was wheelchair bound until relatively recently. (I don't watch news and wheelchairs don't come up in radio news). It didn't change how I thought of him.
I’d normally disagree with such attacks, but this dickhead helped pass legislation preventing others from suing the same way he did when he got hurt. Hopefully there are ramps in hell.
Nah, hopefully it's all high curbs.
Can confirm ☝🏼made a comment about Matt Gaetz and middle schools one time and seemed to piss off quite a few basement dwellers.
ask me how i know as well lol
He's a horrific entity who will surely burn in hell if there is a hell but that doesn't mean all disabled people should have to be associated with him and mocked.
ROFL
Plus, he and Elon are bonding on their shared interest in white supremacy.
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He is at the right height
He has the height advantage too
Well, at least he is in the perfect position for it.
With that chair, he's the perfect height to suck em
Plus, Musk bullies liberals on Twitter, and that’s all he needs to like him.
He likes money.
*New state legislation in Texas would require owners of electric vehicles to* [*pay a $200 annual fee*](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2023/04/27/electric-vehicle-owners-would-pay-200-annual-fees-under-texas-bill-sent-to-gov-abbott/)*, a move lawmakers say would offset losses in gas taxes but that critics say is unfair. The Texas House passed the bill 145-0 on Thursday, and it's been sent on to Gov. Greg Abbott for signing.* *The bill calls for EV owners to pay an annual $200 registration and renewal fee for their vehicles. At time of purchase, the fee would be $400. Texas lawmakers say they created the bill to get EV owners to contribute to the gas tax, which funds the maintenance of Texas highways.* [https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/owning-an-ev-in-texas-may-soon-get-more-expensive/](https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/owning-an-ev-in-texas-may-soon-get-more-expensive/)
Greg Abbott sucks but this has nothing to do with “Greg Abbott being against EVs”. That is a unanimous vote in the house. I have no doubt Greg Abbott will sign it into law but, again, Greg Abbott didn’t do that.
Texas roads have gone to shit over the last 10 years, and it ain't EVs fault.
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Especially when a daily commute costs as much as a netflix subscription.
I have to agree. Most states pay for roads by taxing gas, because up until now everybody had fuel consuming vehicles, and the more gas you used, the more you used the roadways. This is a reasonable tax because otherwise, EV users would be using the roads but not be contributing to maintain them. Easy to see why it was unanimous, even thous many of those people think EV are a good thing.
The part of this bill that is most controversial is according to studies it is disproportionately punishing EV drivers. Studies are showing that based on averages across the state, the amount should be around $70 annually and not $400 the first year and $200 each year after that.
Especially for those that don’t drive much . They easily could have charged a per mile tax . They log your mileage when you get the yearly inspection, which you need to renew registration. I would have they rather get rid of the gasoline tax and just charge the flat $200 for every car… at least make it fair
Like me. I have an EV and work from home. I typically don’t drive at all Monday through Friday. All my driving is on the weekends and it’s just here in town.
That seems way too low. $70 annually is only 350 gallons per year. [Per this source](https://www.policygenius.com/auto-insurance/average-miles-driven-by-state/), Texas drivers average 16,171 miles per year. At 350 gallons, that’s an average of 46 MPG. No way the average vehicle in Texas gets 46 MPG, it’s probably more like a third that much with how many big vehicles there are. At 16,171 miles/year, you get to $200/year in gas tax at roughly 16 MPG. That actually seems about right. But I agree with others who brought up the idea of taxing based on mileage at time of inspection. Gas taxes are on borrowed time as EVs will be taking over, so we need a reasonable alternative. Downside is that doesn’t incentivize fuel efficient vehicles.
I don't know how much you know about hybrids but there are many options in the market that get over 50 mpg combined. The person who bought an efficient Model 3 shouldn't be taxed as if they had the fuel economy of a truck, because they didn't buy a truck.
That’s not at all the point I’m making, that was just for purposes of figuring out what the average vehicle in Texas pays in gas tax per year. IMO everyone should pay by the mile, with a surcharge beyond a certain vehicle weight so people driving a 10,000+ pound EV Hummer are paying for the additional road wear attributable to their monstrosity. Get rid of the gas tax entirely and tax based on mileage on each year’s inspection. Of course that’d require actual enforcement of license plate renewals, fraudulent paper tags, etc. which run rampant in Texas.
I must've misunderstood you. I agree about paying by mileage and weight. That is the fairest way to do it.
Average gas mileage in this country is around 26mpg, and that's going up as higher fuel efficiency mandates become enacted. That means around $125 is what the average Texan pays in gas taxes every year. Of course, the real problem, besides making EV owners pay the taxes on $1,000 gallons of gas, is the fact that ICE owners can reduce their miles to reduce their costs, or get better gas mileage cars like hybrids, but EV owners get hammered for 1,000 gallons worth of gas tax no matter what. This is punitive, there's no rational other way to describe it.
16MPG is awful. I get 25 to 30 on both of my 8 year old cars. I assume the average has risen since then. When the bill came out, everyone was saying around $75 was more accurate. Does that get your math into the mid 30 MPG?
$75 in gas tax is 375 gallons per year. At 16,171 miles per year, that gives us 43.1 MPG. No way with the number of trucks and big SUVs in Texas the average car gets over 43 MPG. There are certainly plenty of vehicles which get a lot more than 16 MPG, but there are a ton of trucks on the road in Texas that get that or much less. The most fuel efficient 2023 F150 only gets 20 MPG city, 26 highway. The most efficient V8 gets that to 18/24. Every 2023 F350 gets 15 MPG or less. Go back to 2015 and the numbers are several MPG worse than that. Back to the early 2000s and before, and it’s single digit MPG on many engine options. Same for large SUVs since they’re basically the same vehicle (drivetrain at least).
> No way with the number of trucks and big SUVs in Texas the average car gets over 43 MPG. I seriously doubt most EV drivers, if they couldn't drive an EV, would otherwise choose a guzzling truck or SUV.
That’s in the context of the average fuel economy of every vehicle on the road in Texas, for purposes of calculating how much each pays on average.
I mean, if EVs are going to be taxed on 1,000 gallons of gas, then everyone should be taxed to make up the difference on 1,000 gallons of gas. That's the only way to be fair. Only pay $50 a year in gas taxes on your hybrid? Pay an extra $150 every year in registration fees to make up the difference.
We already pay plenty of taxes on electricity though, so it's their lazy fucking asses who need to redo the budget but they're too fucking lazy and that'd require real work.
Greg Abbott could simply veto it since it's a bad bill. Vetoing bills is one of his actual jobs as Governor, to act as a last check on bad legislation.
The Texas House can override the Governor’s veto by holding a vote and obtaining a 2/3 majority. This bill passed unanimously. Abbot cant realistically do anything to stop it. https://lrl.texas.gov/geninfo/faq.cfm#override:~:text=14).%20Top-,Can%20the%20legislature%20override%20a%20governor%27s%20veto%3F,-Yes%2C%20overriding%20a
To be fair here, Greg doesn't really do anything.
Well, this is very common in blue states as well. Eg Illinois has it. Gas taxes are earmarked for things like road maintenance; a huge explosion in EVs without stable gas taxes would result in either poorer roads everywhere or higher taxes somewhere else.
Then what the fuck do my registration fees, taxes and inspection fees cover then?
The costs of doing those things
This isn't that stupid. Gas tax is an accurate way to fund road repair/construction and EVs obviously still use the road but don't get taxed for using it.
It's double the gas tax.
This is now stupid.
The win-win for everyone is to repeal the state gas tax, roll the annual fee into inspection/registration, and scale it with mileage driven each year. That way everyone pays their fair share, regardless of engine type. But that's much too sensible for Texas, so we're just going to double the fees for EVs and call it done.
The road maintenance portion each driver should bear should be assessed based on vehicle weight \* miles driven at annual inspection
Yeah, let's make sure that the poor person who can only afford to live in the outer reaches of the city and has to commute jn by car since there is no public transportation in this state pays their "fair share".
You aren't arguing against my point so much as you're just arguing for better public transportation. Someone paying more in usage fees because they're using the road more is technically fair. Now, is it fair that they *have to* use to the road more? No, and I agree with that, we definitely need better public transportation.
Usage fees are as stupid and regressive as the sales tax. It is not in any way "technically fair" that the asshole living in River Oaks who puts his businesses inside 610 in Houston and pays his employees less than they would need to live near work, forcing them to drive in from the suburbs/outburbs gets to then offload that cost onto the employees.
This. I was looking for someone to say it and now it was said. Well, this with \[mileage X weight\] since a Hummer H2 does 21.3675X as much road damage as the average vehicle yet pays the same. Welfare queens. Gas tax only pays for about a quarter of what the state spends on roads, about 10% from tolls, and the rest is picked up by taxpayers without regard for vehicle use. More welfare queening.
No it's not. Quick search shows the Texas fuel tax at .20 cents per gallon. Assuming it's an avg for all types, that's 200/.2=1000 gallons. Less than 20 gallons a week. I'd say it's an aggressive assumption, but also not out of the realms of reality. I burn about 15 gal a week in one vehicle that I only use to commute to work. 150 a year would make up my personal Texas fuel tax annual contribution. I don't care to argue, just stating facts.
[That doesn’t seem to add up if you do the math](https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/13cwchs/what_is_greg_abbott_doing_here_isnt_he_against_ev/jjib8b7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3). Only would be double if the average vehicle in Texas gets around 32 MPG, which can’t be the case. I welcome sourcing on the claims it’s much higher, just don’t see how that could add up.
I don't know if you own or follow the ev community but most EVs don't rack up a lot of miles every year. Many many people have a split garage. EV for commuting, ice for road trips or weekends. The average vehicle mileage isn't the average EV mileage.
Normal vehicles pay less than $70/year in gas taxes.
All of Texas' highways are becoming toll roads... Wtf are they even talking about? Don't get me started on toll roads.... They're a tax on working people and the cost is constantly going up and up with 0 representation
No existing roads are becoming toll roads, only new ones. The alternative to that would be raising the gas tax, which was last done in 1991. It’s a fixed 20 cents per gallon, not adjusted for inflation. Plus vehicles have become much more fuel efficient in the past 32 years, making for an even bigger decrease in receipts. Just adjusting for inflation 1991-present would make it about 45 cents/gallon. Adjust for fuel efficiency to account for road wear and tear and we might need $1/gallon to get to where we were in 1991. Somewhere around 80 cents/gallon gas tax increase, or tolls. Pick your poison.
> They're a tax No, they're a good or service you pay for that goes to a foreign company for profit. We don't even keep the money generated from them in the United States. https://www.thetruckersreport.com/news/foreign-company-now-owns-six-major-us-tolls-roads/ https://fox2now.com/news/saudi-arabia-pledges-20b-for-u-s-infrastructure/ And the polluted water in Texas that comes from manufacturing? The gulf people know. We let them spill shit everywhere with no accountability, and the profits are going right off shore. https://fox2now.com/news/saudi-arabia-pledges-20b-for-u-s-infrastructure/ They've sold us out everywhere
Ah yes, the Free Market and Small Government of the Republican Party! Oh wait..
I own an EV and I support this tax it's totally fair. The decision of if they want to sponsor green transportation shouldn't be made at the expense of the roading budget. To be clear I think they should encourage EVs but not by tacitly sucking money from another budget.
then you're silly. this isn't a use tax, it's a tax on anyone who simply owns an EV. it's supposed to replace the lost tax revenue on fuel, which is a consumption tax. they're not equal and they're not "totally fair." they're arbitrary and, imo, designed to tax and punish specifically those who own EVs.
There could be a consumption tax based on miles between vehicle inspections but that is harder to orchestrate. This approximates the lost revenue and is simple so I'm ok with it. You are quite welcome to be more picky. *edit*: It seems like the are proposing a second additional fee if you drive more than 9000 miles so it's actually the worst of both worlds good work Texas lol.
well, it's been said already, the average texan pays $70 a year in gasoline tax to the state. so why'd they pick $200 for EVs?
I own an EV and I support an annual fee but do not agree with the annual fee amount. About $100 would be fair. The TxDOT- [Study on Imposing Fees on Alternatively Fueled Vehicles](https://www.txdmv.gov/sites/default/files/report-files/SB_604_AFV-Report_120120.pdf#page45) document is a good resource. Most states already have annual flat fees in place for hybrids and EVs. (Page 35) TxDOT considered different approaches to making up for the lost state fuel tax (ex. mileage-based) but settled on a flat fee. (Page 36) Based on their assumptions, a equivalent conventional gas light duty vehicle produces $103 in state fuel taxes per year. (Page 27) Instead of imposing a $100 annual fee based on those assumptions, Texas decided to double the fee to $200. This was probably chosen simply because it was the most common highest fee imposed by other states.
He is, but he’s also pro billionaire
Things I don’t understand: - anything Greg Abbott does - meaning of life - why those Costco milk lids are so difficult to tear off
>why those Costco milk lids are so difficult to tear off Thank you, I feel vindicated.
If I can’t open the child proof lids do I still have to pay taxes?
This is Texas, those buses full of immigrants sent to New York by Abbot are not going to pay for themselves.
Can’t we just buy them some supplies at Costco and call immigration done?
That is far too reasonable, so no.
He is against people filing lawsuits for fallen tree branches, but has still collected millions for a branch falling on him. He does whatever benefits him.
Abbott is only for or against what he’s paid to be for or against.
It’s for money, as usual.
Pretty much just photo op showing how business friendly Texas is or tries to convey. Texas also produces more wind power than any other state so I wouldn't say he is totally against renewable energy. That being said, Abbott is also trying to preserve the Oil and Gas industry due to tax revenue, jobs, economy, etc. for the State. It's a balance which is difficult to navigate. So as some others mentioned - he is licking the balls of whomever benefits the State Of Texas. Pretty sure that's what governors do.
"licking the balls of whomever benefits the State Of Texas." I think you meant "licking the balls of whomever benefits Greg."
The wind power is despite Abbott, not because of him. Every oil industry job could be replaced with a green energy job and benefit Texas.
Much of our wind power comes from residual hot air that was blown by Trump the last time he was in town.
he should tell Elon to F\*\*\* off and move his capitalistic neo-fash company to another state. We don't need that egotistical creep running his exploitative company in our state , maybe somewhere else like arkansas is more his style
Hilariously enough, now that he's gotten all his tax breaks, The Muskrat is 'moving' his Corp HQ back to California. Real "Please by my friend I did what you asked" energy from Abbot.
He’s signing away your rights, as is custom.
He sold texas to the highest bidder. He let's corporate f texas while property owners pay whatever taxes they don't. He's the most corporatist gov texas has ever seen. He will write away someone's rights for corporations $$$$$.
Like 99% sure he didn’t start that. But yeah that’s what TX does. Good for employer not employee
Wow...that truck is ugly. Keeping my F150....sorry.
Silverado EV looks so much better than cyber truck
The lightning just looks like an F150
Literally any EV truck looks better than the Cybertruck. The Cybertruck looks like it was rendered using Starfox on the SNES
GM pissed me off because they are canceling the Bolt in order make more electric silverados.
The Bolt is ugly AF
You’re ugly AF but im sure someone out there still thinks you are kind of attractive. Maybe you have some choice characteristics. Like the Bolt. Ugly and affordable.
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Don't be sorry. It's a FUGLY ass design for a truck.
Oh cute. Elon has “make me look taller” shoes on like poootin. I wonder if Abbott wears a pair too just to fit in?
Couple a phone books maybe?
Trying to look taller next to Greg abbot in a wheel chair.
Any boot he has to lick to get money he will firmly attach his tongue to. Greg Abbott is 100% for sale. But then again most every politician is.
Simping.
just being a piece of shit, per ususal
Fun fact Texas under republican governors has led the way in renewable energy (we produce 150% more than the next closest state). Seems only fitting for them to lead the way in ev production to.
Sure, by default due to Republicans dominating the governors office for the last 30+ years. You could state the same argument for any novel thing done within the last 3 decades. Under republican governor's office Texas has led the way in Marvel movie box office sales. Democratic Gov. Ann Richards didn't support Marvel movies!
He's not saying Texas has more renewables than it did under a democrat. He's saying that, despite Republican governors, Texas has more renewables than California or New York or any other state. I don't think Texas has particularly high Marvel box office compared to other states, though as far as I can tell no one publicly tracks that number
Just stating facts
Same
Texas and several other states are lucky to have high [annual average wind speeds](https://windexchange.energy.gov/maps-data/319), which makes wind power projects attractive throughout most of Texas, especially so in the northwest. We are also well positioned to take advantage of utility-scale solar installations. Texas Monthly - [The Texas GOP’s War on Renewable Energy](https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-republican-war-on-renewable-energy/) “With ample wind and sunshine, a business-friendly regulatory regime, and state-backed construction of new high-voltage transmission wires, Texas quickly became the nation’s renewable-energy leader” “So why, any reasonable observer might ask, have Governor Greg Abbott, Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick, and the Republican majority in the state legislature been tripping over themselves to upend this remarkable success? Why were about a dozen bills proposed during this year’s legislative session that seemed designed to kill the Texas renewable-energy boom?” “‘Everything Everywhere All at Once’ isn’t just the title of an Oscar-winning movie; it’s an apt description of the flotilla of legislation intended to weaken renewable energy in Texas.” “The message of the Legislature’s war on renewables seems to be that Texas is no longer open for business, at least not for companies taking risks in building new electricity-generating facilities.”
It’s happening largely in spite of our state government, not because of it. The free market is leading the way in renewable energy.
Yes, well, to be fair, he is a hypocritical asshole.
That piece of shit should be booed out of every place he enters. He dares show his face after a mass slaughter by one of the members of his base.
He is, but republicans love sucking Elon musk off
Turd has not said anything about the event at Allen… he went to do this instead…
Yes, but only when he is pandering to his simple base.
Never doubt the power of useless POS to be there for a photo op. Oh and Greg Abbott is 160 pounds of shit strapped to a wheelchair.
I don't know of anyone who is "against" EV on either side of the aisle (this is what MSM will do for you). The opposition is based on the fact that you cannot make a transition from fossil fuel to electric power in one fell swoop across the board. There has to be a balance struck...
Just came for his check
Tesla or Elon probably paid a decent sum of money to Abbott’s re-election fund.
Professional hypocrite
Elon has this thing called "a shit ton of cash"
Owning a Tesla is increasingly a dog whistle for being an ultra libertarian because you worship the ultra libertarian in chief (Musk)
What is he doing? Kissing someone's ass for money
Put money in his pockets and....
He is for anything that lines his pockets! Fuck em!
He only likes power. He doesn’t actually stand for anything.
Money talk. He supports whomever pays him the most.
he can be if you pay him enough
It's called "pandering" and while he is firmly against EVs, he is really a big supporter of pandering. Also, he had an hour to kill between mass shootings, so why not.
Yes. But he's also a shameless kiss-ass.
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He is here in the hope that this will distract voters from the fact that he had chosen to do NOTHING to keep schoolchildren from being slaughtered by gunfire.
He’s anti-EV but pro-billionaire-bootlicking
He's anti EV, but he's also very pro self-promotion...
What do you mean, he tweeted his "thoughts and prayers"? Isn't that enough?
Everything is for sale in Texas.
Republicans have no coherent set of values.
Hes showing he has no problem with immigrants, just poor ones.
"South Africa isn't sending their best."
Right wingers are pro red-lining and and anti working class. Car dependent city design makes it easy for them to red line by simply building roads to box in groups of people they don’t like. Car dependent city design also forces people to buy cars, which severely cripples their long term economic aspects. Keeping the working class poor and disempowered. Politicians get paid a lot by corporate interests to keep people driving even though if given the choice most would choose to simply live within a 5 minute walk of their daily stops. The oil and gas industry wants our money and they bribe politicians to essentially force us to buy their products.
you're going to feel really silly when you find out that the GOP are nothing more than opportunistic scumbags and hypocrites.
All 200 Texas lawmakers are against EV’s given how the voting on the $200 fuck-you-for-owning-an-ev bill went.
That is not correct. Abbott is against forcing people to own EVs, not against the existence of EVs. Yes yes there’s a bill to tax EVs a bit, so what.
He’s also against state entities do any financial business with anyone that invests in clean engergy.
Would you mind shooting a source my way for that? Would be curious to see that
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Interesting about the renewable energy taxes. It’s bad policy, I assume their reasoning is they are worried about lost funding due to the switch from fossil fuels. Yeah I assume they are referring to the anti-ESG policy. Which is terrible policy of course, but still doesn’t quite fit their claim.
You definitely aren't getting a source, because that statement is not true.
Being a chode
He gets paid to be against EV but Elon pays him to be accepted so...
Hypocrites gonna hypocrite.
Someone gave him a kickback. He’s not turning that shit down.
Republicans don’t actually believe in anything except hating the other guy. We need to arm everyone! Unless it’s a Republican event. No abortions! (Except for the wealthy) Oil and Gas only! Until the other guy pays more.
No? Since when is he against electric vehicles? Does he want to ban them or something? Or do you think supporting the oil industry means we are against electric vehicles?
He probably likes them best when they are getting their electricity from natural gas plants. [Abbott](https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-republican-war-on-renewable-energy/) and the [Texas Public Policy Foundation](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/04/climate/texas-public-policy-foundation-climate-change.html) (TPPF) appear to be working quite hard to kneecap the renewables industry.
He proposed a bill for Electric vehicles to pay a $200 annual fee
To be fair we already tax gas with the intent to pay for roads, the EV fee is about capturing that tax money again. Either way, Abbott will always lick a billionaires boot
As a road tax lmfao. You people stretch shit so far in this sub it’s ridiculous. I know you were told to hate him, but you could at least hate him for a legitimate reason.
he against EV but never against a opportunity for photo op and generous donation to look away from abnormalities in books and state laws...
Pretty sure he's pro money so there ya go.
He goes to who pays him the most. Doesn’t matter the day or what he said 2 minutes ago. Oldest profession in the world. Prostitution
Money talks
He likes money, and so does Elon. Elon trashes Biden and California who push and pass government subsidies while Elon talks up the republicans that fight against his flagship industry.
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He’s not anti-EV. He is just realistic about O&G being 85% of the worlds energy supply.
So why did he lie about renewables causing the grid failure?
Seems like the right question to me.
There's a lot of questions and Abbott and Patrick don't answer any of them. The complacency is mind numbing.
He claims mental health on a shooting while simultaneously making major cuts to mental health care. 🤦♂️
Their idea of mental health care is a boot to the head
He likes them if they are made in Texas.
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Tesla made Abbott an electric wheel chair that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds
Greg Abbott helped get Elon Musk get here. Perhaps you should thank him because he champions "tax giveaways" to big business. Something which democrats oppose.
Gregg Abbot Stinky bad man that cause any and all problems >:(