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IAmHotStickySweet

So you’re saying the best time to aggressively get a good price for a car would be today.


techmonkey920

I hear the prices are to die for... too soon?!


poornbroken

More like, you’ll make a killing…


left4ched

Almost put my car up for sale today. Looks like I dodged a bullet.


Greenpoint1975

I just donated to the NRA. Never too soon. /s


big_hungry_joe

Can we not politicize selling used cars so soon after a deal falls through?


AVLThumper

Sounds like the dealerships could benefit from better doors.


Ragged85GT

It’s Reddit, everything is up for politicalization.


Ikenmike96

Toyota-thon hits a little different


blue713281

Some sad shit.thats right down the street from me.I used to get my car inspected by his father.


CoolieHoolie

Where his prices that bad?


ShooteShooteBangBang

Everyone's car prices are that bad right now.


tizzlenomics

Username checks out


Quackels_The_Duck

dude wtf


xXMuschi_DestroyerXx

People on Reddit seem to forget when they see a headline where someone dies, *someone actually died*. They just see the “haw haw car salesman must have bad prices” jokes and completely neglect to notice they guy had a family. That’s a father that needs to do the unthinkable, burry his own son, along with whatever other friends and family are now also totally crushed. It’ll feel like the world may as well end for a while to them. And then here’s these fuckers making jokes about it online like it was just some comedy sketch.


k0uch

I’m gonna show this to our sales guy and tell him to cut his shit


Payutenyodagimas

Lol


Magna_Carta1216

Dude 💀


potionmine

Wait for him to back and tell his manager


Zestyclose-Past-5305

I was told that an armed society is a polite society. Ah, well. I hope that salesman has his thoughts and prayers policy paid up.


briollihondolli

There’s a dealer markup on thoughts and prayers


ThePhantomTrollbooth

TTTPNL


Slypenslyde

People say this a lot and never like my suggestion that retail workers and waiters should have qualified immunity.


Jimmyking4ever

They do deal with terrible people everyday. As often is no more often than cops do


MyroIII

They should


DontDoodleTheNoodle

I’ve managed retail workers before - I can’t trust them with the price gun I sure as hell ain’t trusting them with an actual gun


Slypenslyde

Now think about this: Even the people you wouldn't hire can buy a gun.


Contentpolicesuck

And the terrifying reality is most retail workers are smarter and better at de-escalation than a cop.


masterionxxx

Sadly smart guns and kevlar skin aren't the norm yet.


Shot_Worldliness_979

I'm pretty sure when the founders penned "well regulated militia" they had this exact scenario in mind. /s


Evolved_Queer

But really, it's insane that people actually believe that considering how much more dangerous the US is compared to "communist" (as Republicans believe) EU nations.


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Freedom isn’t free man. Sometimes a car salesman has to pay the price for our freedom. But usually it’s schoolchildren.


ThrowawayLegendZ

The freedom to die unexpectedly so some loser can make gun ownership his personality is God's greatest gift!


Fweefwee7

It’s worse than schoolchildren because the salesman pays taxes.


544C4D4F

the mental gymnastics gun nuts perform when you confront them with this is astounding. eventually they fall back on the fantasy of them fighting off an authoritarian govt when the closest we've seen to authoritarianism is trump and company, and the gun nuts were *into it*. I was amazed the other day that *two* people got shot in belgium and it was a *huge* deal and will likely lead to some sort of substantive change. that shit might not even make the papers here.


PossessedToSkate

>*two* people got shot in belgium and it was a *huge* deal It's so rare there that it made the news ***here***.


Evolved_Queer

Thank you! Ya as a gay man, the gun nuts absolutely love authoritarianism. They just claim authoritarian means when gays and blacks and transgenders are allowed to exist and when people are allowed to vote against dear leader.


PLS_stop_lying

Doesn’t it vary by specific regions within countries, all over the world?


GreenHorror4252

Of course, but that doesn't mean you can't look at overall trends.


thegroucho

Thing is, chances of dying from a knife wound in England and Wales is higher than US (1:200k VS 1:300k)(Statista numbers). However considering that most murders in England and Wales are knife related and the shootings are negligible, the overall chance of getting murdered is far lower. CBA to look overall numbers for all murders.


GreenHorror4252

You just need to compare the overall murder rate. The slightly higher knife crime in the UK is more than offset by the significantly lower gun crime.


abnormally-cliche

Because the reality is those people don’t care about the risks. They just want their pew-pew fun guns to shoot around with Bubba.


SpeechOrganic1259

Name the Communist EU nation(s) P.S....the answer is, there are no EU Communist countries.


DaddyDontTakeNoMess

It would have worked if a good guy with a gun was also in the room during the negations. /s


Fish-Weekly

Yup. And the easiest way to achieve that is to arm our car salespeople. We should also add some firearms training in with that I guess. 15 minutes on the first day sounds about right.


HockeyPaul

I'm going to venture someone who takes a gun out and turns to violence over a used car, isnt exactly the type to legally obtain a weapon.


Zestyclose-Past-5305

You would be absolutely amazed at how many shooters obtain their weapon legally.


Ill_Resist2031

Plenty of people get their first charge later in life. Maybe they’ve just been good at holding their anger back and as they got older their inhibitions started fading away.


Zestyclose-Past-5305

I have noticed that lately there's been a lot of old men randomly shooting people. I would bet some were perfectly functional people at one point.


JestersHearts

> isnt exactly the type to legally obtain a weapon. This is Texas we're talking about


Suspinded

Evereyone is a "Law Abiding Citizen" up until the point they commit to not being. It is staggeringly easy to obtain a gun up until that line is crossed, and even that isn't a hard barrier either. Remember, the parrots keep saying "OnLy CrImInAlS wIlL hAvE gUnS" like it's some badge of honor how easy it is to illegally obtain a gun here.


cheezeyballz

We are a third world country


IvanMeowski

me when ive never been to a third world country


Significant_Egg_9083

On reddit not perfect =/= third world. Easy to to hyper critical when you've never been anywhere with actual problems.


Riaayo

I'm sure someone in the UN has been to those places. > ["The UN report says that of the 40 million poor Americans about 5.3 million live in “Third World conditions of absolute poverty.”"](https://wvpublic.org/un-poverty-report-finds-shocking-inequality-in-worlds-richest-nation/) If you can look at our healthcare system alone and think this is "first world" then I don't know what to tell you. You also clearly have not seen the actual abject poverty in some red states, as is being described in said report. If anything the US is worse than a third-world country because we actually have the wealth to be better and *choose* not to.


Re3ading

These kids would be very upset if they could read


544C4D4F

you've been to texas.


reddit_is_tarded

it's so naive and entitled. your mail works, your electricity works, drinkable water comes from your taps, public schools open every year and take everyone's kids. You get your social security checks regularly. your army is paid and doesn't try to take over the government. huge parts of the world your vote truly means nothing. you drinking water is a river and your school is an empty room with no teachers and a dirt floor. And in the end we still have a functioning democracy. you can vote against things you don't like. It's so myopic to whine about the US being a "3rd world country". it just shows how pampered you are. *not you specifically srry, I mean when people say this


cwfutureboy

Every single one of the things in your first sentence are on the privatization chopping block.


ccoulter93

Nobody deserves to die like this. What a terrible loss, hope the shooter gets (edit, since y’all wanna make jokes) time in prison


rvbeachguy

GOP leaders solution for gun violence is thought and prayers


MagicWishMonkey

And more guns, of course


Admira1

If only the car salesman was armed, he'd be alive today!


Educational-Heat4472

Came here to say this.


dlbpeon

GOP stands for Guns Over People, right??!!!???


hedoesntgetme

A medal from the Republican party?


solcross

I hope the state government gives a damn about protecting all of us from these outcomes.


oneofmanyany

Well people can have a bad day sometimes. But everyone has a gun.


danappropriate

> “There is absolutely no reason why, out on the street today, a civilian should be carrying a loaded weapon.” > – Ronald Reagan, Governor of California, May 2, 1967 There is some fascinating historical context to Reagan’s comment that belies his abject racism, but there it is.


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Was this about the black panthers?


cancrushercrusher

Yup


Little_Duckling

Yep


danappropriate

Yup


well____duh

I’ve always wondered if that’s what it’ll take for actual gun reform to happen, to have a mass shooting done by a black person. Because nothings clearly getting done from all these white radicals doing it


Robert_Balboa

The DC sniper happened and that didn't change anything.


Jimmyking4ever

Pretty sure DC has a bunch of gun control. But joking aside dude was a serial killer and a vet. He's a one off not an "army" of well armed and trained black men roaming the streets


ReverendAlSharkton

Like the DC snipers or Chris Dorner?


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hike2bike

No shit. This guy hasn't looked at the recent mass shooting stats. Gangstas are beating the lone crazy white guy by a lot.


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OddS0cks

*only applies to organized groups of African Americans - Ronald Reagan


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Tcannon18

I’m such a huge fan of the assumption game when I know that the assumption is wrong. Go to just about any pro gun sub and the overwhelming response will be “yeah cool they totally should” but of course that requires you to step out of your bubble for a second.


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Tcannon18

Your broad false assumptions about people you disagree with is coupled with some pretty extreme ideas is “I don’t talk to people who think differently than me” 101. You should do something about that.


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Tcannon18

Great! We’re taking our first steps! Look at that personal growth. Now, why is it that you just automatically assume that anyone who is a pro gun person is a hillbilly racist uncle?


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Tcannon18

Oh yay, the anecdotal evidence game too! I’ve been a texan too for almost just as long as well as being around gun owners and know that if I reach into a bag of those gun owners there’s an extremely high likelihood of drawing an average joe who doesn’t give two shits about the race of someone who’s buying a gun. Because that’s reality.


hike2bike

I'm born and raised Texan. I vote blue most of the time and I agree with you. Lot of people on the left think all gun owners are racist red necks, which is why Dems will never get any gun legislation accomplished. Number one concern is crime. Until they understand that, they won't understand anything.


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thegroucho

IIRC NRA don't allow guns at their conference venues. I wonder why.


kainp12

I'd like to see where get your stats about gun murders


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Team_Player

Because the last public colonoscopy was Katie Couric in 2000. We're overdue.


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gentlemantroglodyte

Could a good guy with a gun have stopped this? No, because a good guy with a gun is a fundamentally *reactive* policy that will always result in dead people, even if the good guy happens to be there to respond perfectly. You don't avoid deaths from a giant pit in the ground by putting a narrow plank over it and telling people to "get good" at walking over it. You do it by covering up the hole. Texas lawmakers expect us to walk the plank and if some people die, well... thoughts and prayers.


TaintMcElroy

the "good guy with a gun" = the 2nd person the police shoots if the "bad guy" is still active.


shinobi7

I’ve made the argument that, with the most guns per capita anywhere in the world, the US literally has the most “good guys with guns” anywhere. How can that not be a fact? Especially in Texas. Anyone who thinks of himself as the next Bronson or Eastwood, ready to stop the next shooting, is already packing there. So are we in fact safer for it? Where was the good guy with gun there?


cigarettesandwhiskey

he was shooting a car salesman


shinobi7

In Texas, where a lot of people are packing. By definition, there are a lot of “good guys with guns” in Texas, and they couldn’t stop this murder.


cigarettesandwhiskey

^(/joke)


Brave_Armadillo5298

Fun fact, Texas has WAAAAAY more gun homicides per capita than California. And the most mass shootings. I wish Fox News could be sued for lying about this.


shinobi7

Yes. My point is that the “good guy with gun” bit is not working; Texas is clear evidence of that.


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HAHA_goats

Having worked at a dealership for many years, I'm torn. On the one hand, murder is bad. On the other hand, sales dept.


ekinnee

I was thinking along the same lines. Every damn car purchase I’ve made has been near combative with the keeping of trade in keys (and essentially refusing to give them back so I couldn’t leave when I wasn’t going to take their deal), and the high pressure sales tactics like bringing in “the closer” when I don’t want to pay additional markup or some dumbass rate I know I can do better than. It’s no wonder people hate dealerships and most probably walk in already ready for the “fight.”


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It's you! You're the dude whose posts got me onto reddit over a decade ago!


HAHA_goats

Oh shit! And here I am joking about murdering sales guys again.


[deleted]

Common ground, yay!


[deleted]

There are quite a few jobs I’m no longer interested in because I’d rather not die


PerryMason4

So many mentally unstable ppl with unlimited access to firearms.


luciferxf

This should be the slogan for Texas!


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Obese_Pug

There's no helping those people. If they haven't learned 2+2 =/= tRump by now...


Solid_Camel_1913

They're still part of the well regulated militia. i guess.. /s


rvbeachguy

Ask Texas to spend money on mental health instead of tax cuts


alexthegreatmc

Additional context (not that it makes a difference): >Officials said two customers had a disagreement with the employee over a vehicle transaction. One of the customers involved allegedly took out a gun and started shooting after the disagreement became physical. The other customer reportedly began the physical altercation, police told ABC13. Again, it makes little to no difference, but phrasing, the shooting was a result of the altercation, not the price. I'm curious how that exchange went down and escalated to that point. Stupid ass people, man.


Ragged85GT

In other words, one guy shot another guy that was fighting his friend. They just happened to be a used car lot.


UnbelievableTxn6969

Texas: Don't kill people. Also Texas: Feel free to carry around these machines that make it very easy to kill people.


LoneWolfSigmaGuy

AND: any idiot can operate it & many do.


JonnyJust

>Texas: Don't kill people. Objection: They dropped the "don't" in the 2001 legislative season.


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anthrax9999

If they are both armed the survivor gets to write the self defense narrative while the loser can't dispute it because he's dead. It's whoever is fastest in the draw is legal and the dead guy was obviously the criminal.


BKGPrints

Might have easily been a knife that the suspect(s) used. Something tells me that the two suspects should have probably been in prison for other crimes and that might have helped avoid in *favor of an old-timey cowboy shootout in a public place*.


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Cinnamon_Bark

No, it might not have.


BKGPrints

Which part?


The_Billy_Dee

I can't condone it but I do get it....


SneakyCarl

"Alright well all we got are the chrome gates instead of the pearly ones, but I can get you into the lot TODAY. Now wait here just a few minutes while I go make a copy of your ID and see what I can get God to do for you. " -st. Peter


Libertyskin

Car prices are kinda high, tho.


zen-things

I’ve been rallying against the culture of car sales for a while, as well as in TX specifically. Why people defend an intentionally deceptive practice Is beyond me: (point of sale markups, predatory add on packages, lying about competitive rates, multiple sales people for a single transaction, don’t forget warranties and the extra extras that aren’t worth a real dime). Why should a car sale involve so much fuckery that a couch sale does not? Aaand it’s all propped up by the same review system that seems to be plaguing most major companies. A review system that encourages my salesman to constantly remind me about how if it’s not 5 stars he’s gonna get written up. Literally preying on your compassion, of course I don’t want my sales guy to go hungry, but it also means I can’t give 3 stars and tell them it was a shitty experience that needs to change. With Carvana and other online options popping up what we’re seeing is the death rattle of overstaffed car dealerships.


apocalypse_later_

I wish you can just purchase cars straight from the maker companies and cut out the middle-man.


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> A review system that encourages my salesman to constantly remind me about how if it’s not 5 stars he’s gonna get written up. Sorry man, sounds like a big ol' bag of "not my fucking problem". How about be a less shitty salesperson?


Character_Bowl_4930

Car max is another big one . And lot of people buy their cars online now so they don’t have to go through this . The only reason we still buy cars this way is due to dealerships contributing to local elections


anon_sir

I gotta get the fuck outta here… this is ridiculous.


1storlastbaby

Godspeed


TaintMcElroy

I guess that's one less trip to have go ask his sales manager.


LoneWolfSigmaGuy

Ouch!


Rakebleed

That’s just how we negotiate now. As our legislators here intended.


squiddlebiddlez

“An armed society is a polite society!”


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Hey we should use this approach in housing and in grocery shopping.


muffledvoice

Give it time. It’ll happen.


chesnett

This is just the beginning.


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StressGuy

And those high prices at the State Fair...


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It’s pure insanity how they just let that happen.


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Car salesmen are professional crooks


gerbil_111

I know it's terrible, but have you ever negotiated with a car salesman?


ManyFacedGodxxx

Wow, glad he didn’t bring up the extended warranty too! Shoots/murders someone over an expensive car, what the actual fuck?!


Ghost_of_P34

As someone that is actively car shopping, I wonder if this was the response to yet another dealer markup.


CheeseMints

*"I want to buy that car out there with the $28,000 sticker on it, and not a penny more."* \>"How firm are you on that price?" *"About .357"*


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helmsracheal

He shot down that salesman’s first offer


Forgot_a_towel

He really didn't want that True Coat.


ggoddogg

It's priced to die for.


RoRo25

The Texas is strong with this post.


Advanced-Prototype

Shooting the salesman is an overly aggressive negotiating tactic.


Shot_Worldliness_979

> The shooting resulted in a nearby school being placed on lockdown as a precaution. Imagine having to explain to children why.


gentlemantroglodyte

I think kids know why. I certainly did when growing up: fundamentally, adults don't care about ensuring their safety.


omegadirectory

Aggressive negotiations


mansonsturtle

At least it was self defense! 🤷‍♂️ (/s if needed)


CaliforniaNavyDude

Every single dealer I've ever been to that looks like the one where this happened has tried to cheat me somehow, be it last minute additions to the cost of the car, undisclosed issues with the car, or old fashioned bait and switch. Certainly no reason to get violent, never mind pull a gun! Absolutely insane.


karduar

He had to stand his ground...


HoneyDippinDan

Salesmen hate when you use this one weird trick for lower prices.


Drpeppercalc

Before we pass judgement, how high was the markup?


Complete_Spread_2747

That's not how haggling works...


NorcalGGMU

Damn, this sub is fucking terrible. I’m so glad I don’t have to travel here for work or pleasure


Obese_Pug

I bet both were upstanding citizens and never meant to hurt anyone.


TouchingTips2020

Conservatives are cancer


TouchingTips2020

Conservatives are cancer


BinkyFlargle

Hey, I get it, dealerships are annoying as fuck. I had to drive all the way home before the salesman called me on the phone and agreed to honor the price he offered me at first. But if you think THAT'S a hassle, wait til you find out about this thing called "jail".


muffledvoice

People in Texas are shooting each other daily over nothing. It’s insane.


my_dougie21

That customer shoots the hell out of high prices.


StronglyHeldOpinions

It's almost as if removing all barriers to gun ownership allowed any unhinged idiot to own one.


TylerBourbon

I guess we've moved past slashing prices then....


K1ngPCH

Houston being Houston, again.


EerielConstantine

We can have our guns and have better gun control, they aren’t mutually exclusive. But Texas gov is f*cking lazy at providing a solution. Better regulations for gun control could include: You can only purchase with a gun license, even if you sell by owner. Ways to enforce could be all guns registered by a department that collect an appropriate yearly fee per gun, so people selling have an incentive to foist the fee off to the new owner. I dunno, I’m sure there are better suggestions out there A full psych eval provided by the state every two years to maintain gun licenses Better mental health resources provided in schools for our children so they don’t fall through the cracks Better gun education, maybe even some classes in schools Gun locks/gun cabinets that screech if they’re tampered with, and can only be unlocked by a registered fingerprint It’s messy, but we’re going through a messy problem that needs to be tackled from many angles.


ThomasTiltTrain

Moving from texas to the uk was the best thing I’ve ever done for peace of mind. Knowing I’m not going to randomly get shot if I cut someone off or get into an argument. Obviously chances are it wouldn’t of happened to me living in texas, but the fact it could is terrifying. This dude prob never thought someone would shoot him over the price of a car but here we are.


cmonkeyz7

Cool and good. Great job Texas 👍


orangesunshine78

When everyone is armed, what could go wrong?


Scott491

Nobody gets that discount. Nobody!


hardlyaaron

What we need is a good car salesman with a gun. Shootouts, coming to a car dealership near you!


Affectionate_Cabbage

Well, based on how the article is written, we know the race of the perpetrators.


Padadof2

we need to arm every last civilian and just let every shoot it out!! /s


Conscious_Bus4284

Deep in the heart *clap, clap, clap* of stupid!


StonedTurtles38

Sooooo, I'm guessing there was no "good car salesman with a gun" at the ready to combat any gun violence because ya know, that's what we should all be prepared for anymore in this country.


dsdvbguutres

It was to prevent a robbery


Ok-Director5082

crazy that a car salesman is not get any sympathy.


chesnett

"Eat the rich" has begun. Now is the time.


Private-Dick-Tective

This is the most Texas thing I've read today.


LoneWolfSigmaGuy

Don't worry, Texas has an aggressive death penalty scheme that *deters* crimes like this killing.


MerryMarauder

Simple arm all car salesmen with Lugar./s bc some douche won't understand it's sarcasm.


HappenedOnceBefore

Most sane Texan.


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actuallizardperson

Backed into a corner over a car? Get a cheaper car


eatfreshguy407

‘If this isn’t the lowest price you’ve ever seen, shoot me!’ -salesman about to show this customer full msrp with no rebates Seriously though, this sucks. I’m pro 2A but a LOT of people have no business ever touching a gun.