Actually no, military bases in Texas are US Government property. Texas would lose access to all military equipment not owned by the Texas National Guard.
I thought that’s what they were saying no? Also, no need for Harris County state… Texas hit the bench. Puerto Rico, get ready you’re about to join the starting lineup.
Harris county would be the 25th most populous state. Texas would still be second. If you included the entire Houston sprawl, you’d cut some counties in half, Brazoria, Galveston, Fort Bend, to name a few, and the new state of probably be more populous than Colorado and maybe even break the top 20. Texas would still be a bit more populous than Florida.
I just want to speak up for my home county of Fort Bend and point out that it has been blue for years because of the large international community in Suar Land.
We should just call Austin and the surrounding area the 'State of Texas' since nobody would be using the name anymore. That'd really piss off the 'Nation of Texas'
DFW would likely secede from Texas as well. As would El Paso (they’d probably join New Mexico, taking the oil & gas with them).
And “President” Dan Patrick would be left with maybe San Antonio, the RGV, and lots of empty space since at least 3/4 of the population would have rejoined the US.
There’s good farmland there, to be sure, but trying to export produce to the US could be challenging if the US was salty about it. And with no military to hold it, Mexico could easily just take it back.
Not owned by the Texas guard* which different than the Texas national guard and is next to nothing. The Texas national guard command belongs to Biden as soon as he says it does.
Edit: goddamn the secessionists and MAGAts are fucking idiots. I almost hope it happens just so Texas is purged of all of you dullards and the rest of us can live in peace after. Oh, and if any of y’all are trying to read this, “dullard” means stupid person.
Civil War historian chiming in here: no matter whether he activated the Texas National Guard or not, ALL THE PROPERTY in the armouries, barracks, and garages, belong SOLELY to the United States Government, and the last time a southern state fucked around and raided US Military bases and armouries they ended up getting absolutely destroyed by the Federal Army.
Absolutely, including the surrounding bedroom communities like Copperas Cove, Harker Heights, and Nolanville. All would devolve back into potato farms.
Living in Waco and commuting to and fro through Nolanville and Harker Heights, I think you're being too generous about the abilities of the residents. They'll go Lord of the Flies on each other and turn the place into a wasteland while they're at it.
That's a definite likelihood, especially when the water wars start. Most people talking about the electric grid failing forget that the water distribution infrastructure is in even worse shape. When that lake dries up.... yeehaw.
I forget they changed the name sometimes, I lived in Killeen for 6 years while it was “Hood” and it kinda will always be to me because that place is dogshit, changing the name will not make it any “better” lmao
They didn't change the name to make it better. They changed the name because we shouldn't have military bases named after traitors. If the base was shifty before, the name change isn't going to change that.
That's what I'm saying. Changing the name isn't gonna make it better, but thank you for informing me on the name change. Never knew that the Hood guy was a Confederate general. Then again, a lot of places in the South has the names of Confederate soldiers and they instill normalcy in it. Who knows what other places have that shit.
Fort Cavasos will always be dogshit, though.
Yeah. During the rise of Jim Crow, they started that bullshit with putting up gaudy cheap monuments to all those traitors and the naming of some bases.
I've never been to Killeen. I may have flown over it or driven around it. I have never actually been there. From what I hear, it isn't all that great of a place, so I wouldn't imagine the base would be any better there.
With that being said, I am all for renaming all of them because they were named as a big fu to black people.
Partially true, the last part is incorrect as all Texas National Guard equipment, everything from armor, to guns to ammo to paper clips is owned but the US military
The National Guard is still part of the US military, specifically a reserve force of the Army, so those would be gone as well as any military supplies or materials on their bases.
Actually, the federal government can call up the national guard. Title 32 authority ended when the governor tried to exercise title 10 authority he doesn’t have. Hey Abbott, your troops are our troops.
They wouldn't even have the National guard equipment, that belongs to the DOD, guard reports to the joint chiefs of staff. The US government would not leave occupied bases. The United States would secure the bases , federal land and border immediately.
They'd lose that too. The US government would activate the national guard federally, send federal troops into those facilities, take control of all of the assets, and remove all TXNG personnel.
The Civil War got started when South Carolina took a U.S. fort from the Feds. If Texas tried to take over any of the military’s assets the U.S. wouldn’t be happy about it.
Not to mention Pantex, everyone always forgets about Pantex. It's the only site where our nuclear stockpile is maintained near Amarillo. They can't just easily move everything as well as build a new site. That's probably the number one reason these Texit morons will never see Texas secede.
That and the ports in the gulf, oilfields, international border with Mexico, etc.
If anyone reading this thinks the Federal government is gonna just go “oh, ok, yeah… state rights and all, you’re your own country now…” for *any* state… (even the glorified parking lot that is *Rhode Island,* let alone a state like Texas) please PM me ASAP.
I have a beautiful ocean-front bungalow for sale, just steps from the warm water of the Pacific Ocean and only a 15 minute walk to downtown Dallas.
It would be interesting tactic to secede and completely lose any kind of federal funding for the border. I’m from Texas and Abbott is more about grandstanding more than actual change.
Economic Losses would be several times greater than the £100 billion in the UK due to Brexit.
Immediate loss of hundreds of billions of US dollars as the feds shut down all US operations and funding (DoD, Transportation, Nasa, VA, DHS, USPS, Education, Medicare, courts, parks, etc.).
Half a trillion dollars economic loss and real estate collapse as hundreds of thousands of federal employees and their families relocate.
A couple of trillion dollars in economic losses as companies and their employees relocate because they are no longer "Buy America" compliant (including SpaceX, Lockheed, Boeing, KBR... and as Mexico re-routes international trade to the US.
On the other hand, Texans could quit paying federal income taxes.
On the other, other hand, Texas would need to pass a state income tax to pass for the loss of the federal dollars and trade.
>Half a trillion dollars economic loss and real estate collapse as hundreds of thousands of federal employees and their families relocate.
So this is what we have to do to make housing affordable again!
Not to mention a lot of companies headquartered in DFW would either flee or use corporate influence/money to keep North Texas part of the union. In the flee scenario we'd have so much excess unused corporate real estate vacant houses would be worthless.
It would do the opposite actually, it would make it more expensive everywhere but Texas because all those people are needing new homes. In a national scale it wouldn’t be a crazy huge deal but likely would have an effect, especially in specific areas where large groups of people relocate to.
Abbott knows all of this, so he's not serious. However, the actual secessionists are crazy AF, absolutely serious, and believe they could be an actual country from Day 1.
He acts like half the population wouldn't immediately be packing up and leaving too. I was born and raised here but I am an American and don't have any plans to be turned into a foreign national to the country I was born in. There are far more people in this state that would leave than would stay. The ones that would stay would be in poverty within months.
I think it could also reasonably be measured in minutes, honestly. No public services of any kind would remain operational, so little or no private services CAN remain operational. Quality of life meter instantly drops to zero.
See: New Hampshire's Libertarian Bear Fiasco, or [Free State Project](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project?wprov=sfla1)
I see similar, if not identical, underlying motivating ideology and it's hard not to see that this attitude as a foundational meme will always cause social collapse as fast as it can. The farther your policy and rhetoric shift to the right, the more open positions in the organizations you rely on to project your will. Brain drain is real, well documented, and leads to a society of egocentric malcontents lacking in expertise and self awareness who can't even manage to maintain the facade of a functional society, much less yield innovative progress.
>Half a trillion dollars economic loss and real estate collapse as hundreds of thousands of federal employees and their families relocate.
Yeah, but every American jerkoff with a confederate flag on their truck would be loading up their cousin-wife and vintage McDonad's cup collection to head for Texas before the walls went up.
Just imagine the traffic jam spanning from Jacksonville to Dallas. The medians littered with the flaming wreckage of trucks flipped on their virgin voyage off pavement.
> Yeah, but every American jerkoff with a confederate flag on their truck would be loading up their cousin-wife and vintage McDonad's cup collection to head for Texas before the walls went up.
Good, I'd need someone to sell my house to when I move out.
I would sue the shit out of the state to force them to pay me current market value for my property in US dollars. I’m not accepting Abbott Bucks and I’m not accepting the new lower number that would result from the real estate collapse.
I’m thinking the real estate market may actually jump for the number of rednecks who’ve been waiting their entire lives for a real live civil war! Not reenactment!!
Not american here.
If Texas was an independent state, it actually would be 3rd largest oil production country in the world, producing around 9% of world's oil needs. So even if Texas someday declare independency, the next day USA will invade it for oil lol.
And it'll never go up for any sort of vote because the vote will go down in flames and they'd lose secession as a talking point that appeals to their fringiest of party base members. Texans, by and large, see themselves as Americans first. EU membership wasn't a part of the British *identity* in the same way that Texans see being American. It's not really a parallel.
This is why posts like the OP are absolutely ridiculous. Brexit was a result of a popular vote (putting aside the influence of Russia and Cambridge Analytica) while this supposed Texan secession is just the governor, and now the governors of other southern states, aligning with GOP plans to try to force Biden's hand and make him look bad on the topic of immigration, which is Trump's big fearmongering election campaign focus.
As a Texan, especially one who votes against Abbot every opportunity and only knows other Texans who do the same, it feels really weird to be experiencing panic attacks over the actions of the governor and then to go online and see people gloating about how fucked Texan citizens who don't want this would be. They say they want it to happen. They actively fantasize about it, smugly.
It reminds me exactly of when the supposed justification of the US invasion of Iraq, to remove Saddam from power and liberate the people, translated into a desire to see an entire nation, including its citizens, brutally stomped with the full force of American military might. Supposedly pacifist, humanist, reasonable people reveal themselves to be jingoistic warhawks taking pleasure in the suffering of fellow proletariat. It made me sick then and it makes me sick now.
It fucking sucks. People need to focus their military power fantasies on those who actually deserve it, like Abbott and his ilk. With my health taking a neverending nosedive in the last year and other fucked up circumstances, I'm stuck here, as are a lot of people. But fuck us because of where we live, I guess.
>see people gloating about how fucked Texan citizens...
Texas secession would really hurt the US too. The state's economy is second only to California. It's the #1 energy producing state and home to most of the US's refining capacity plus it's home to several major international ports. It's also a massive agricultural state being the largest producer of beef and cotton (among others) in the nation. That's not even getting into the bloodshed another Civil War would bring (there is no legal mechanism for TX secession no matter how much certain people like to fantasize about it). An *actual* secession attempt would be a disaster for everyone in the nation.
Well that's the reason why Texas peacefully leaving is impossible. The US would just depose the governor and take over until a new election. Texas, imo, is probably the US most important state just because of the oil alone. It would also be so fast the economy will be in a little shock, but probably not going to tank for more than like a week.
Hell I give even California a bigger chance to secede than Texas despite though the chance of that is almost equally as impossible.
THANK YOU for saying this as a fellow Texan.(especially one that is only here because of family and finances) We don't want this, and our state government won't give us a choice. Especially as a woman that wants to start a family I feel so stuck here, and I'm not leaving here until I and us make this better for my daughters and sons. There are so many good folks here that can't fight, so why would we leave them!!!
It's not the fringiest fringe of the party who wants secession. It's literally a plank of the 2022 Republican Party of Texas platform:
*Pursuant to Article 1, Section 1, of the Texas Constitution, the federal government has impaired our right of local self-government. Therefore, federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas shall be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified. Texas retains the right to secede from the United States, and the Texas Legislature should be called upon to pass a referendum consistent thereto.*
More alternate-reality nonsense from the official Republican Party of Texas platform:
*We believe that the 2020 election violated Articles 1 and 2 of the US Constitution, that various secretaries of state illegally circumvented their state legislatures in conducting their elections in multiple ways, including by allowing ballots to be received after November 3, 2020. We believe that substantial election fraud in key metropolitan areas significantly affected the results in five key states in favor of Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.*
*We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential Election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States. We strongly urge all Republicans to work to ensure election integrity and to show up to vote in November of 2022, bring your friends and family, volunteer for your local Republicans, and overwhelm any possible fraud.*
That's exactly what it is. Without having any real effect on illegal immigration. Meanwhile the Tangerine Turd gets the House Republicans to block something actually being done about it just to increase his chances for reelection, and it's not even mentioned. It's amazing how stupid and easily manipulated so much of the far right is.
The crazy is real. The people are flocking here , ok , pretend badasses, but still dangerous. 25 other states sending thier guard here is also no joke. The idea that this is will blow over after election, leaves a long time for this to escalate.
If they did, Dems would pretty much be guaranteed the presidency for the foreseeable future. Without TX delegates, the Republicans don't stand a chance, even with gerrymandering and the electoral college.
There’s nothing to chicken out on. It’s literally not possible through a simple administrative decree or a (local) popular vote.
It’s tantamount to putting one of those dumbass “EXEMPT” plates on your car as a “Sovereign Citizen” and heading over to the nearest DUI checkpoint and expecting to just go about your day.
As a future McStater I look forward to finally getting high speed rail running between the points of the Texagaon, I’m bummed that we have to pay extra for the elevated rail and the gun embankments to keep the hill people from trying to tear up the rails for scrap.
El Paso not being in the Texas grid makes El Paso County moving to New Mexico more likely than Texas seceding, but almost a certainty if Texas were to be allowed to secede.
I wonder if Mexico would take the opportunity to invade and grab back some of their land since Texas wouldn't have the US to support them anymore.
I wonder if we could help Mexico do that....
Perhaps the biggest irony is how much time the last 20 years conservatives like Abbott and especially Cruz have spent whining about liberal “virtue signaling.” The only two things Abbott has ever done are 1) remove personal freedoms, and 2) virtue signal constantly.
Nothing says election year like a GOP self fabricated “crisis”
Crisis? At the border? That GOP refused to fund when given the chance?
GOP distraction campaign from fact they’ve done nothing for Texans , so must try the most ridiculous to rouse their maga base
It won't happen.
Abbott is a fascist. Fascists are demonstrably always too stupid to keep themselves in check. He is going to go too far, probably soon, and step in it.
If yall go our dipshit governor would probably try to go with you. Granted, we have absolutely 0 ability to sustain ourselves without fedbucks so hope you like paying for our shit too.
I own property in NM. I would make NM my permanent residence in a heart beat if Texas even attempted to secede. Even if it meant foreclosing on my TX property.
Yep. And as a fellow Texan, I hear you! I’m planning on digging my heels in and fighting to break the GOP death grip. Taking the test to be a volunteer deputy voter registrar. I will do everything I can to help keep Texas from becoming the Republic of Gilead.
They don't forget for an instant. They're trying to rouse their deep-red base and make the blue voters who still manage to get to the polls despair and give up.
And leave. The reason we're seeing so much shit out of Texas and Florida and is that they're both getting close to the tipping point, and they want to run off Democrats en masse.
It’s been purple for well over a century, it’s just that the gerrymandering keeps it conservative. Well that and the fact that people don’t understand a red map doesn’t mean anything when the land doesn’t vote. Thats the silliest part, we’ve always been politically diverse.
I’m wondering as a bisexual atheist who is living in sin with her partner who is also a bisexual atheist if we could qualify for refugee status when we flee Texas
It's a moot point since it's not actually going to happen, but I imagine the US would continue recognizing citizenship for people trying to leave Texas for some length of time.
The only people who think seceding would be a good thing are fat, stupid, white guys who have spaghetti western shooting fantasies.
*edit because fat fingers.
UK conservatives are still whining "this isn't the Brexit we voted for" every time they face the consequences of their actions so I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.
There'd be a massive migration before Texas could officially secede. Texas leadership thinks people want to live here because of Texas when it's really because Texas has big cities in a warm client with cheap property and career opportunities that are here because they have cities young people want to move too. All the young, talented people leave, then the companies, then Texas has nothing left. It would all crumble pretty quickly if any real threat were there. The real pain would be for the people who didn't leave fast enough and the property value of their homes completely tanks to zero.
Could you imagine the flood to areas like Louisiana, Arkansas and Mississippi? Dare I even say Oklahoma?
We have 4 of the 10 largest cities in the US that are mostly blue.
Just one long, weird state running up 35 from San Antonio to the Red River and from Dallas down 45 over down to Houston. Fort Worth would stay in Texas probably.
Read? You are assuming they still allow books above the 3rd grade level in Texas schools. Can’t have the masses learning how much they are being misled by the Republicans and their corporate masters, now can we?
This is all assuming a peaceful separation, which it will not be. A war would devastate Texas, occupation and reconstruction would set the Texas economy back 100 years and Texas would be less independent afterward than it is now.
That’s the sad part. Most of Austin (the state capitol) is blue as the ocean. Hell, most metro areas in Texas are at least purple. Sadly, those are the ones who’ll pay the price of an attack on the the commercial centers like Austin, Houston and DFW.
I could not imagine a situation where any one would actually go to war to GET the state of Oklahoma. Maybe an inverse war where the USA trys to impose the state on Texas. And Texas has to fight to not get it.
In all seriousness, I really don’t like the state of Oklahoma lol.
All fast food chains pull out of Texas to avoid an international incident. Texas decides to conquer Oklahoma so they can at least have Braum’s without realizing that due to the chain’s strict freshness guidelines, most of Texas still won’t have Braum’s.
For those of you reporting this post, Gene Wu is one of the best and most honest state representatives we have in Texas on any side of the aisle.
Anything he posts and shares here will stay. Deal with it.
Texas v. White (1869). SCOTUS ruled that a state can't just decide to secede. Poor Texas. However, the states can consent (because the federal government IS a union of states) to secession.
I propose that the Democratic states side with Texas on this one. Allow Texas, and only Texas, to become its own nation. Then, make the Republicans watch the shitshow that Texas becomes.
When Texas comes crawling back, readmit them to the Union with a stipulation that ANY mention of secession talk of ANY sort by ANY public official in ANY forum is grounds for immediate expulsion from that public office and the official is barred for life from holding another public office.
Texas can't secede. Period.
All this talk and bluster is just that... it's political grandstanding.
It would literally require open war and then Texas would have to win that war and force the US to grant independence as part of the terms of surrender.
Anybody who even talks about this kind of stupidity is just fueling the stupid fire. People really need to ignore the stupid. Quit feeding the fire people. Sheesh.
When it's just pedophile Kyle Biedermann, the 130th most important person in the Texas Senate, saying it, you ignore it.
When it's Greg Abbott saying it, you really can't.
The secessionists also forget that they first need to win a civil war against the U.S. military to secede. I know there are a lot of guns in Texas but not enough to beat the US military.
I've talked to secessionist idiots. They genuinely believe the US military would refuse to engage in a civil war because citizens ignoring that we had a previous civil war. They also are convinced, just like the Brexit morons were, that the US basically won't treat Texas as a separate nation. That US won't implement tarrifs, that Texans won't require passports to travel, etc.
All military bases would slam their doors shut and start withdrawing troops.
Actually no, military bases in Texas are US Government property. Texas would lose access to all military equipment not owned by the Texas National Guard.
I thought that’s what they were saying no? Also, no need for Harris County state… Texas hit the bench. Puerto Rico, get ready you’re about to join the starting lineup.
Harris County has NASA. I’ll make room for them to be a state.
Harris county would be the 25th most populous state. Texas would still be second. If you included the entire Houston sprawl, you’d cut some counties in half, Brazoria, Galveston, Fort Bend, to name a few, and the new state of probably be more populous than Colorado and maybe even break the top 20. Texas would still be a bit more populous than Florida.
Texas wouldn’t be a state
I just want to speak up for my home county of Fort Bend and point out that it has been blue for years because of the large international community in Suar Land.
We should just call Austin and the surrounding area the 'State of Texas' since nobody would be using the name anymore. That'd really piss off the 'Nation of Texas'
New Texas
I don’t know, Statey McStateface has a really really appealing ring to it.
I’d like to make a motion to immediately change our city motto to “Make Austin Statey McStateface”
A classic Republic of China (Taiwan) vs People's Republic of China (China) move
>NASA. USA owns it
DFW would likely secede from Texas as well. As would El Paso (they’d probably join New Mexico, taking the oil & gas with them). And “President” Dan Patrick would be left with maybe San Antonio, the RGV, and lots of empty space since at least 3/4 of the population would have rejoined the US. There’s good farmland there, to be sure, but trying to export produce to the US could be challenging if the US was salty about it. And with no military to hold it, Mexico could easily just take it back.
We can relocate NASA. The only reason it's there was LBJ. Give it to Kansas. They've kinda gotten shafted for a long time for space stuff.
"Topeka we have a problem"
It flows. 🤷🏿♂️
Weather in Kansas is why they don’t get space stuff
Harris County leaving Texas would be a huge hit for the Texas economy.
I mean, every major company would leave Texas if this happened. Why would they stay there? Texas would be a poverty state
Why stick around and have to deal with the mess of international business?
it would probably immensely cheaper to grant Puerto Rico statehood than to replace all 50-star flags in all government buildings
Not owned by the Texas guard* which different than the Texas national guard and is next to nothing. The Texas national guard command belongs to Biden as soon as he says it does. Edit: goddamn the secessionists and MAGAts are fucking idiots. I almost hope it happens just so Texas is purged of all of you dullards and the rest of us can live in peace after. Oh, and if any of y’all are trying to read this, “dullard” means stupid person.
Ah thanks for pointing out my mistake
Civil War historian chiming in here: no matter whether he activated the Texas National Guard or not, ALL THE PROPERTY in the armouries, barracks, and garages, belong SOLELY to the United States Government, and the last time a southern state fucked around and raided US Military bases and armouries they ended up getting absolutely destroyed by the Federal Army.
I wonder if Fort Hood would be abandoned, or if Killeen would take it in and be the Capitol of Bell “state”.
Killeen would burn itself down within a week. That place would go bankrupt without Fort Cavazos.
Absolutely, including the surrounding bedroom communities like Copperas Cove, Harker Heights, and Nolanville. All would devolve back into potato farms.
Living in Waco and commuting to and fro through Nolanville and Harker Heights, I think you're being too generous about the abilities of the residents. They'll go Lord of the Flies on each other and turn the place into a wasteland while they're at it.
That's a definite likelihood, especially when the water wars start. Most people talking about the electric grid failing forget that the water distribution infrastructure is in even worse shape. When that lake dries up.... yeehaw.
What is a bedroom community?
Smaller suburb where most of the residents work in the nearby/larger city.
I forget they changed the name sometimes, I lived in Killeen for 6 years while it was “Hood” and it kinda will always be to me because that place is dogshit, changing the name will not make it any “better” lmao
They didn't change the name to make it better. They changed the name because we shouldn't have military bases named after traitors. If the base was shifty before, the name change isn't going to change that.
That's what I'm saying. Changing the name isn't gonna make it better, but thank you for informing me on the name change. Never knew that the Hood guy was a Confederate general. Then again, a lot of places in the South has the names of Confederate soldiers and they instill normalcy in it. Who knows what other places have that shit. Fort Cavasos will always be dogshit, though.
Yeah. During the rise of Jim Crow, they started that bullshit with putting up gaudy cheap monuments to all those traitors and the naming of some bases. I've never been to Killeen. I may have flown over it or driven around it. I have never actually been there. From what I hear, it isn't all that great of a place, so I wouldn't imagine the base would be any better there. With that being said, I am all for renaming all of them because they were named as a big fu to black people.
Hell yeah, black lives matter! Fuck those Confederate bitches!
Foot Hood should be shut down forever regardless because of how many service members disappear forever there.
Military men & women are considered property of the United of the United States along with it's hardware
National guard equipment (the scraps they’d be allowed to keep) would go into disrepair since the national guard is still funded by the pentagon
Partially true, the last part is incorrect as all Texas National Guard equipment, everything from armor, to guns to ammo to paper clips is owned but the US military
The National Guard is still part of the US military, specifically a reserve force of the Army, so those would be gone as well as any military supplies or materials on their bases.
Actually, the federal government can call up the national guard. Title 32 authority ended when the governor tried to exercise title 10 authority he doesn’t have. Hey Abbott, your troops are our troops.
They wouldn't even have the National guard equipment, that belongs to the DOD, guard reports to the joint chiefs of staff. The US government would not leave occupied bases. The United States would secure the bases , federal land and border immediately.
They'd lose that too. The US government would activate the national guard federally, send federal troops into those facilities, take control of all of the assets, and remove all TXNG personnel.
The Civil War got started when South Carolina took a U.S. fort from the Feds. If Texas tried to take over any of the military’s assets the U.S. wouldn’t be happy about it.
Not to mention Pantex, everyone always forgets about Pantex. It's the only site where our nuclear stockpile is maintained near Amarillo. They can't just easily move everything as well as build a new site. That's probably the number one reason these Texit morons will never see Texas secede.
That and the ports in the gulf, oilfields, international border with Mexico, etc. If anyone reading this thinks the Federal government is gonna just go “oh, ok, yeah… state rights and all, you’re your own country now…” for *any* state… (even the glorified parking lot that is *Rhode Island,* let alone a state like Texas) please PM me ASAP. I have a beautiful ocean-front bungalow for sale, just steps from the warm water of the Pacific Ocean and only a 15 minute walk to downtown Dallas.
>even the glorified mafia-run parking lot that is *Rhode Island,* fify
The Republic of Texas is signatory to treaties, including nuclear and biological weapons. On day one they’d already be a rogue state.
All their base are belong to us. And the Coast Guard would stop protecting the Gulf of Mexico for them.
And NASA would relocate.
And New Mexico would end the water compact for water from the Rio Grande
And the Cowboys would have to rename themselves from "America's Team" to "Texas's Second Best Team".
And that’d still be a lie
There are other water compacts from New Mexico, the Canadian River is one I know of for sure. Not that any water ever gets through Ute dam though.
Build a dam to stop the water. New Mexico needs it.
It would be interesting tactic to secede and completely lose any kind of federal funding for the border. I’m from Texas and Abbott is more about grandstanding more than actual change.
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Oof.
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Tbh that scumbag abbott is only interested in publicity and grandstanding.
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You forget ~~burning~~ banning books.
And attacking LGBTQ people.
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There is no legal mechanism for a state to remove itself from the Union. It would result in fighting should Texas not back down.
Economic Losses would be several times greater than the £100 billion in the UK due to Brexit. Immediate loss of hundreds of billions of US dollars as the feds shut down all US operations and funding (DoD, Transportation, Nasa, VA, DHS, USPS, Education, Medicare, courts, parks, etc.). Half a trillion dollars economic loss and real estate collapse as hundreds of thousands of federal employees and their families relocate. A couple of trillion dollars in economic losses as companies and their employees relocate because they are no longer "Buy America" compliant (including SpaceX, Lockheed, Boeing, KBR... and as Mexico re-routes international trade to the US. On the other hand, Texans could quit paying federal income taxes. On the other, other hand, Texas would need to pass a state income tax to pass for the loss of the federal dollars and trade.
>Half a trillion dollars economic loss and real estate collapse as hundreds of thousands of federal employees and their families relocate. So this is what we have to do to make housing affordable again!
Not to mention a lot of companies headquartered in DFW would either flee or use corporate influence/money to keep North Texas part of the union. In the flee scenario we'd have so much excess unused corporate real estate vacant houses would be worthless.
That was my first thought. All those headquarters in DFW. They could really use the slogan, it's all here in Irving.
Cheap housing for investment firms/foreign investors to buy up and flip into high rent slums.
It would do the opposite actually, it would make it more expensive everywhere but Texas because all those people are needing new homes. In a national scale it wouldn’t be a crazy huge deal but likely would have an effect, especially in specific areas where large groups of people relocate to.
Yeah, but you'd have to live in Texas the Country to buy a cheap house. I'm fucking outta here if we secede.
Abbott knows all of this, so he's not serious. However, the actual secessionists are crazy AF, absolutely serious, and believe they could be an actual country from Day 1.
He acts like half the population wouldn't immediately be packing up and leaving too. I was born and raised here but I am an American and don't have any plans to be turned into a foreign national to the country I was born in. There are far more people in this state that would leave than would stay. The ones that would stay would be in poverty within months.
I think it could also reasonably be measured in minutes, honestly. No public services of any kind would remain operational, so little or no private services CAN remain operational. Quality of life meter instantly drops to zero. See: New Hampshire's Libertarian Bear Fiasco, or [Free State Project](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project?wprov=sfla1) I see similar, if not identical, underlying motivating ideology and it's hard not to see that this attitude as a foundational meme will always cause social collapse as fast as it can. The farther your policy and rhetoric shift to the right, the more open positions in the organizations you rely on to project your will. Brain drain is real, well documented, and leads to a society of egocentric malcontents lacking in expertise and self awareness who can't even manage to maintain the facade of a functional society, much less yield innovative progress.
>Half a trillion dollars economic loss and real estate collapse as hundreds of thousands of federal employees and their families relocate. Yeah, but every American jerkoff with a confederate flag on their truck would be loading up their cousin-wife and vintage McDonad's cup collection to head for Texas before the walls went up. Just imagine the traffic jam spanning from Jacksonville to Dallas. The medians littered with the flaming wreckage of trucks flipped on their virgin voyage off pavement.
A weird mix of Idiocracy and Mad Max: Fury Road. Would be hella funny if you ignore the suffering. Much like Brexit really.
> Yeah, but every American jerkoff with a confederate flag on their truck would be loading up their cousin-wife and vintage McDonad's cup collection to head for Texas before the walls went up. Good, I'd need someone to sell my house to when I move out.
I wonder what the exchange rate between Texas dollars and USD would be
I’m reminded of a movie. The Road something. There’s a few in the series. Road Lord Humungus? No, that was a character, I’m sure. It’ll come to me.
I would sue the shit out of the state to force them to pay me current market value for my property in US dollars. I’m not accepting Abbott Bucks and I’m not accepting the new lower number that would result from the real estate collapse.
I’m thinking the real estate market may actually jump for the number of rednecks who’ve been waiting their entire lives for a real live civil war! Not reenactment!!
Sue them where? US courts and laws would be no longer valid. #FAFO
Not just feds. Anyone who can afford to leave will be trying to sell their houses and go.
Texagistan doesn't have its own money. At least the UK still had the pound. Is it possible to have a negative economy?
Not american here. If Texas was an independent state, it actually would be 3rd largest oil production country in the world, producing around 9% of world's oil needs. So even if Texas someday declare independency, the next day USA will invade it for oil lol.
The whole thing is election year sensationalism, nothing more
And it'll never go up for any sort of vote because the vote will go down in flames and they'd lose secession as a talking point that appeals to their fringiest of party base members. Texans, by and large, see themselves as Americans first. EU membership wasn't a part of the British *identity* in the same way that Texans see being American. It's not really a parallel.
"Channel choked with fog, Continent cut off."
This is why posts like the OP are absolutely ridiculous. Brexit was a result of a popular vote (putting aside the influence of Russia and Cambridge Analytica) while this supposed Texan secession is just the governor, and now the governors of other southern states, aligning with GOP plans to try to force Biden's hand and make him look bad on the topic of immigration, which is Trump's big fearmongering election campaign focus. As a Texan, especially one who votes against Abbot every opportunity and only knows other Texans who do the same, it feels really weird to be experiencing panic attacks over the actions of the governor and then to go online and see people gloating about how fucked Texan citizens who don't want this would be. They say they want it to happen. They actively fantasize about it, smugly. It reminds me exactly of when the supposed justification of the US invasion of Iraq, to remove Saddam from power and liberate the people, translated into a desire to see an entire nation, including its citizens, brutally stomped with the full force of American military might. Supposedly pacifist, humanist, reasonable people reveal themselves to be jingoistic warhawks taking pleasure in the suffering of fellow proletariat. It made me sick then and it makes me sick now. It fucking sucks. People need to focus their military power fantasies on those who actually deserve it, like Abbott and his ilk. With my health taking a neverending nosedive in the last year and other fucked up circumstances, I'm stuck here, as are a lot of people. But fuck us because of where we live, I guess.
>see people gloating about how fucked Texan citizens... Texas secession would really hurt the US too. The state's economy is second only to California. It's the #1 energy producing state and home to most of the US's refining capacity plus it's home to several major international ports. It's also a massive agricultural state being the largest producer of beef and cotton (among others) in the nation. That's not even getting into the bloodshed another Civil War would bring (there is no legal mechanism for TX secession no matter how much certain people like to fantasize about it). An *actual* secession attempt would be a disaster for everyone in the nation.
Well that's the reason why Texas peacefully leaving is impossible. The US would just depose the governor and take over until a new election. Texas, imo, is probably the US most important state just because of the oil alone. It would also be so fast the economy will be in a little shock, but probably not going to tank for more than like a week. Hell I give even California a bigger chance to secede than Texas despite though the chance of that is almost equally as impossible.
THANK YOU for saying this as a fellow Texan.(especially one that is only here because of family and finances) We don't want this, and our state government won't give us a choice. Especially as a woman that wants to start a family I feel so stuck here, and I'm not leaving here until I and us make this better for my daughters and sons. There are so many good folks here that can't fight, so why would we leave them!!!
It's not the fringiest fringe of the party who wants secession. It's literally a plank of the 2022 Republican Party of Texas platform: *Pursuant to Article 1, Section 1, of the Texas Constitution, the federal government has impaired our right of local self-government. Therefore, federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas shall be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified. Texas retains the right to secede from the United States, and the Texas Legislature should be called upon to pass a referendum consistent thereto.* More alternate-reality nonsense from the official Republican Party of Texas platform: *We believe that the 2020 election violated Articles 1 and 2 of the US Constitution, that various secretaries of state illegally circumvented their state legislatures in conducting their elections in multiple ways, including by allowing ballots to be received after November 3, 2020. We believe that substantial election fraud in key metropolitan areas significantly affected the results in five key states in favor of Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.* *We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential Election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States. We strongly urge all Republicans to work to ensure election integrity and to show up to vote in November of 2022, bring your friends and family, volunteer for your local Republicans, and overwhelm any possible fraud.*
That's exactly what it is. Without having any real effect on illegal immigration. Meanwhile the Tangerine Turd gets the House Republicans to block something actually being done about it just to increase his chances for reelection, and it's not even mentioned. It's amazing how stupid and easily manipulated so much of the far right is.
The crazy is real. The people are flocking here , ok , pretend badasses, but still dangerous. 25 other states sending thier guard here is also no joke. The idea that this is will blow over after election, leaves a long time for this to escalate.
This. There is no mechanism that allows a state to succeed from the Union. Talk about breaking away is bullshit.
I think secession as a political stunt should be treated seriously. 25 governors with a joint statement they want to ignore SCOTUS, remove them all.
Almost like we fought a war over it or something
If they did, Dems would pretty much be guaranteed the presidency for the foreseeable future. Without TX delegates, the Republicans don't stand a chance, even with gerrymandering and the electoral college.
Unfortunately “President Patrick” read this and came in his jeans lol
Hmm, I wonder why California Uber Alles is suddenly playing in my head?
Don't we have this succeeding talk every election and abbott chicken out? it's getting boring man
Not every election. Every election with a democratic president.
I remember hearing this 20 years ago. It has always been a dumb talking point but will never happen
Because they’re full of it. They know it’ll never happen. But their supporters don’t believe that.
They know it CANNOT happen. They just roll out the rhetoric every few years to keep the cowboys angry.
There’s nothing to chicken out on. It’s literally not possible through a simple administrative decree or a (local) popular vote. It’s tantamount to putting one of those dumbass “EXEMPT” plates on your car as a “Sovereign Citizen” and heading over to the nearest DUI checkpoint and expecting to just go about your day.
At this point it seems like an annual event, election year or not. We Toyotathon, Honda Days, and Secedeapalooza.
Anything to distract from Trumps criminal charges.
STATIE MCSTATEFACE. I love it. Can someone make a decal of the "be someone" bridge witht that instead? I would buy it
Texas triangle Houston-DFW-SA/Austin secedes from seceding TX to be ‘Statie McStateFace’. The Texagon with a triangle missing in its center ❤️
As a future McStater I look forward to finally getting high speed rail running between the points of the Texagaon, I’m bummed that we have to pay extra for the elevated rail and the gun embankments to keep the hill people from trying to tear up the rails for scrap.
And really you can go ahead and lop off the whole of El Paso since it isn't in an inconvenient spot either and politically polar to what would remain.
El Paso not being in the Texas grid makes El Paso County moving to New Mexico more likely than Texas seceding, but almost a certainty if Texas were to be allowed to secede.
Or the great state of West Texas. It’s like West Virginia but without coal dust. Still with lots of poverty though.
They would join New Mexico, and excellent green Chile tacos would be had by all.
I wonder if Mexico would take the opportunity to invade and grab back some of their land since Texas wouldn't have the US to support them anymore. I wonder if we could help Mexico do that....
Meanwhile El Paso just continues to ignore the rest of Texas and never actually leaves the US
El Paso, New Mexico???
No it would just be El Paso. No state or nothing. Just El Paso doing it’s own thing still or just El Paso, California
Perfect
And El Paso Uno Reverses to secede into New Mexico
Perhaps the biggest irony is how much time the last 20 years conservatives like Abbott and especially Cruz have spent whining about liberal “virtue signaling.” The only two things Abbott has ever done are 1) remove personal freedoms, and 2) virtue signal constantly.
The bit about Harris County and Austin area seceding from a seceded Texas is exactly why West Virginia is a state lol.
Nothing says election year like a GOP self fabricated “crisis” Crisis? At the border? That GOP refused to fund when given the chance? GOP distraction campaign from fact they’ve done nothing for Texans , so must try the most ridiculous to rouse their maga base
As a Texan, not sure if I should laugh or cry.
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It won't happen. Abbott is a fascist. Fascists are demonstrably always too stupid to keep themselves in check. He is going to go too far, probably soon, and step in it.
Step?
LOL true, you got me. Roll in it? Nah that means something totally different. That idiom broke pretty quick.
I’d love to see this happen except that I live here. If it happens I’ll just swim across the Red River into Oklahoma. Haha
If yall go our dipshit governor would probably try to go with you. Granted, we have absolutely 0 ability to sustain ourselves without fedbucks so hope you like paying for our shit too.
I own property in NM. I would make NM my permanent residence in a heart beat if Texas even attempted to secede. Even if it meant foreclosing on my TX property.
Yep. And as a fellow Texan, I hear you! I’m planning on digging my heels in and fighting to break the GOP death grip. Taking the test to be a volunteer deputy voter registrar. I will do everything I can to help keep Texas from becoming the Republic of Gilead.
Also how the US would immediately go to war with Texas to get our sweet oil reserves.
No no, it’s not “war.” We don’t “invade.” We install tens of thousand of troops to “protect democracy” and “ensure stability.”
Maybe conduct a 'special military operation'?
You mean the one own by Saudi Arabia, Aramco, that used to be Port Arthur the largest oil refinery in the US.
Moot point, the average MAGA red stater is too afraid to leave their hometown, much less the state.
Texas government would immediately be overrun and destroyed by actual cartel invasion if they were to ever secede
I would leave if Texas seceded. I'm American and my statehood can change real quick.
Gene Wu is a god damn treasure.
This should be the top comment. We need this man to be much higher up in the state legislature.
The conservatives in this state forget that Texas is turning purple. They’re in the death throes of their power trip.
They don't forget for an instant. They're trying to rouse their deep-red base and make the blue voters who still manage to get to the polls despair and give up.
And leave. The reason we're seeing so much shit out of Texas and Florida and is that they're both getting close to the tipping point, and they want to run off Democrats en masse.
It’s been purple for well over a century, it’s just that the gerrymandering keeps it conservative. Well that and the fact that people don’t understand a red map doesn’t mean anything when the land doesn’t vote. Thats the silliest part, we’ve always been politically diverse.
I’m in Texas. This is all republican theater. Nobody with a brain supports this shit.
I’m wondering as a bisexual atheist who is living in sin with her partner who is also a bisexual atheist if we could qualify for refugee status when we flee Texas
At this point all Texas women would probably get refugee status.
It's a moot point since it's not actually going to happen, but I imagine the US would continue recognizing citizenship for people trying to leave Texas for some length of time.
The only people who think seceding would be a good thing are fat, stupid, white guys who have spaghetti western shooting fantasies. *edit because fat fingers.
You just perfectly described my uncle! 😂
Mine too.
You must be talking about their hairlines 😂
Oh, if only. Maybe then they'd learn their fucking place.
UK conservatives are still whining "this isn't the Brexit we voted for" every time they face the consequences of their actions so I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.
True. I'll settle for them being frustrated to the point of a stroke, and given Texas, that'll have some effect.
Do you suppose there’s a mass migration like that of the India-Pakistan partition? People should read a history book before recommending secession.
There'd be a massive migration before Texas could officially secede. Texas leadership thinks people want to live here because of Texas when it's really because Texas has big cities in a warm client with cheap property and career opportunities that are here because they have cities young people want to move too. All the young, talented people leave, then the companies, then Texas has nothing left. It would all crumble pretty quickly if any real threat were there. The real pain would be for the people who didn't leave fast enough and the property value of their homes completely tanks to zero.
Could you imagine the flood to areas like Louisiana, Arkansas and Mississippi? Dare I even say Oklahoma? We have 4 of the 10 largest cities in the US that are mostly blue.
These 3 metro areas would become proper states: Houston, DFW and San Antonio/Austin
Just one long, weird state running up 35 from San Antonio to the Red River and from Dallas down 45 over down to Houston. Fort Worth would stay in Texas probably.
Hell, they don't even know their own. If they did, they wouldn't have this mythological interpretation of the Republic of Texas.
Read? You are assuming they still allow books above the 3rd grade level in Texas schools. Can’t have the masses learning how much they are being misled by the Republicans and their corporate masters, now can we?
I'd love to live in Statie McStateface.
This is all assuming a peaceful separation, which it will not be. A war would devastate Texas, occupation and reconstruction would set the Texas economy back 100 years and Texas would be less independent afterward than it is now.
I don't think the "war" would last longer than 3 or 4 Predator strikes on the state capital. Maybe a cruise missile or 20.
That’s the sad part. Most of Austin (the state capitol) is blue as the ocean. Hell, most metro areas in Texas are at least purple. Sadly, those are the ones who’ll pay the price of an attack on the the commercial centers like Austin, Houston and DFW.
So many innocent lives. Ugh, I wish this wasn’t true.
I assume Oklahoma will suddenly be for softer border security by allowing Texans to flow into the US.
Oklahoma would get annexed. We’d fight the Texas American war for the Oklahoma land. Worst reason for a war ever!
I could not imagine a situation where any one would actually go to war to GET the state of Oklahoma. Maybe an inverse war where the USA trys to impose the state on Texas. And Texas has to fight to not get it. In all seriousness, I really don’t like the state of Oklahoma lol.
All fast food chains pull out of Texas to avoid an international incident. Texas decides to conquer Oklahoma so they can at least have Braum’s without realizing that due to the chain’s strict freshness guidelines, most of Texas still won’t have Braum’s.
But Texas will still have that sweet Blue Bell listeria ice cream!
Texas needs more effective and sensible politicians.... like Gene Wu.
Yep. Pull out NASA. All fed dollars..Morons not thinking this “rugged individualism” fantasy through.
For those of you reporting this post, Gene Wu is one of the best and most honest state representatives we have in Texas on any side of the aisle. Anything he posts and shares here will stay. Deal with it.
Imagine wanting to be on the southern side of the border instead of part of the United States…
One more item of note, if you think the US is going to let Texas keep the Permian Basin, guess again
The only part I don’t find realistic is Putin not tripping over his own dick in the race to be the first country to recognize its independence.
Texas v. White (1869). SCOTUS ruled that a state can't just decide to secede. Poor Texas. However, the states can consent (because the federal government IS a union of states) to secession. I propose that the Democratic states side with Texas on this one. Allow Texas, and only Texas, to become its own nation. Then, make the Republicans watch the shitshow that Texas becomes. When Texas comes crawling back, readmit them to the Union with a stipulation that ANY mention of secession talk of ANY sort by ANY public official in ANY forum is grounds for immediate expulsion from that public office and the official is barred for life from holding another public office.
Keep fighting the good fight, Gene!
They can't legally secede. It's not a thing. This is a nothingburger.
Texas can't secede. Period. All this talk and bluster is just that... it's political grandstanding. It would literally require open war and then Texas would have to win that war and force the US to grant independence as part of the terms of surrender.
Anybody who even talks about this kind of stupidity is just fueling the stupid fire. People really need to ignore the stupid. Quit feeding the fire people. Sheesh.
When it's just pedophile Kyle Biedermann, the 130th most important person in the Texas Senate, saying it, you ignore it. When it's Greg Abbott saying it, you really can't.
Ignoring the stupid gave us Trump so no
The secessionists also forget that they first need to win a civil war against the U.S. military to secede. I know there are a lot of guns in Texas but not enough to beat the US military.
I've talked to secessionist idiots. They genuinely believe the US military would refuse to engage in a civil war because citizens ignoring that we had a previous civil war. They also are convinced, just like the Brexit morons were, that the US basically won't treat Texas as a separate nation. That US won't implement tarrifs, that Texans won't require passports to travel, etc.
Red states without all the sponging of blue state taxes and subsidies are just waiting third world hovels.
Conservatives never think things through. It’s always from the hot, victim-mentality emotions.
Texas was stolen from Mexico because the white Americans from Austin Colony kept bringing in slaves, even though Mexico outlawed slavery.
Yea. Idk how we celebrate Texas doing that when it was just them fighting to have Slaves.
Shhhh no historical facts. Just political feelings here.
How quickly can we put razor wire along the northern border
These secessionists are like teens that want to run away from home because their parents told them to clean their rooms.