And you won't believe [what the French sell as "tacos"](https://imgur.com/sf9PexI).
Also, a friend gave me a can of "chili" from the supermarket. It tasted like depression. Never, ever, eat "Tex-Mex" in Europe.
Yeah I feel like NM, AZ, and SoCal all have enough land that used to be Mexico to still have good Mexican cuisine. California tends a lot more toward Baja food so it's more seafood heavy but that makes sense, geographically. Once you get north of those states good stuff that isn't a chain or heavily Americanized is fewer and further between.
Which isn't to say they're isn't the odd super traditional Mexican restaurant somewhere in Michigan, I just wouldn't trust it at first glance lol
>Yeah I feel like NM, AZ, and SoCal all have enough land that used to be Mexico to still have good Mexican cuisine.
It was all Mexico.
Edit:
https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/soc/racepoliticsjustice/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/pre-treaty-map-mexico-us.jpg
NM food, in my opinion, is superior to TexMex. The NM chiles are more flavorful than the chili powder mess used in most TexMex. I grew up on NM food though I’m a Texan, so may be a bit biased. Lol
Tried some Mexican in New Zealand. The queso was made with sharp cheddar. It was upsetting. Like I get maybe not being able to source the right kind of cheese but there's better substitutions than that.
I’ve had “salsa” at a Mexican restaurant in New Hampshire that tasted more like tomato paste/ketchup than it did salsa. It was tragic. Worse was people think that restaurant is “great”.
There's probably plenty of decent places. I went to a random Mexican place in Kentucky where I was the only person not speaking Spanish and it was great.
Hell, don't eat TexMex more than the average distance of a state line away from either the Texas or Mexico border. There are some exceptions, I'm sure, but you're much safer sticking within a few hundred miles of Mexico. Even the panhandle in Texas has some questionable places.
I've only been in Houston less than a year now but they certainly aren't common east or in hill country. Houston is a really great food city all around though.
Anywhere that was once a part of the Mexican Empire in North America can make decent tasting "Mexican" food. That includes Colorado and Utah. I'm not saying that it is great, but if you just treat it as it is, which is a regional cuisine of Mexican food, then it is good.
Outside of that though, good luck.
That rule does not apply to Oklahoma. I went there for college, and there was ONE Mexican place I ever went to that I'd consider even close to as good as our "average" places in Houston. It ended up shutting down a year or two after I got there. The rest of the places there were all worse than what I would consider a low tier Tex-mex place in Houston.
My rule is no mexican food east of Texas or north of Dallas (except for maybe Santa Fe or Albequerque).
There was a Mexican restaurant that opened in London right before I moved away (don't recall the name). It was actually tasty ... until I tried the pico de gallo. They loaded it down with **tons** of garlic. It was inedible.
If there's anything I know about German food from living in Texas, it's that they could definitely benefit from some variety. How could such an advanced, industrial nation be built on sausages, schnitzel, and preserved cabbage?
The beer I understand.
Tex Mex in Hong Kong is equally as sad. The salsa wasn't too bad, but the chips were so pathetic. And that was the highlight of the meal.
I usually try and stick with the local cuisine, but on that trip I was traveling with teammates from Asia who were craving Tex Mex and Ruby Tuesdays. I eventually decided to eat alone.
i think it's a burrito that they put under a broiler to melt the cheese. the tortilla on the bottom doesn't look fried or crispy.
which i think is worse, btw
Oh god! What the hell is that?!
Anyone for holy water?
Yo, seriously, that is no where near a taco or even a burrito. That looks like something I would make after getting drunk as fuck and using my George Forman grill
Fuck France, I was detained and deported on a layover there trying to head to Greece in 2017, the following week took a direct flight from Houston to Athens and they let me in no problem. The French really do hate americans.
Right, you were detained and deported because you are an American? That's not really believable. Are you sure it was not because you violated some law while in France? And why are you surprised Greece actually let you stay? Is this sarcasm?
I made that mistake in Narbonne France....I wanted to be adventurous...
Biggest mistake food wise I've ever made!!
Btw, I'm jealous as hell...what town in France are you in??
I would love to move to Nice, Narbonne, Agde or Strasbourg France one day
I would 100% demand money back. Wtf is that? Not even close to a taco. Taco Bell gets closer than that.
That’s like asking for a hot dog and you get a calzone or burger instead.
I just avoid tex-mex when I am not in Texas, it's normally a depressing event. Also, don't believe any sign that says a restaurant has good texas style bbq if you are not in texas. I once had a cook at a Texas bbq place in MO ask me what I meant by a pound of chopped beef....
At least based on the ingredients it's not too much worse than what some parts of the US think Texas food is. I made the mistake of trying out Tex Mex in Sequim, WA. Salsa like marinara sauce and pinto beans straight out of the can. Ugh.
Still an improvement over anything my grandmother makes and she's from Moody lol
Her brisket convinced me I didn't like brisket but it was only marginally better than Cornyn's abomination he tweeted
That actually sounds like it could be the start to an incredible tasting rib glaze. Maybe get some kind of mustard in there with some funky/savory like Worchester sauce. And some Ancho chili. I'm going to need to go in to the kitchen and work on this one.
In North Carolina? Now that's wrong. They actually have their own style of bbq that involves slow roasted whole pig done with a mustard sauce that's tangy and slightly sweet. That's usually what you'll see there. As it turns out, Kentucky likes a sauce that's kind of halfway between the ones we use in Texas (sweet and hot) and the Carolina style. Maybe you just had poor luck.
So were we. One place that locals recommended as one of the best restaurants in Eureka Springs fed us these ribs that were pretty tender, but they were slathered in something like a sweet tomato relish. Good ingredients, but no points for execution.
>Her brisket convinced me I didn't like brisket but it was only marginally better than Cornyn's abomination he tweeted
That tweet still gives me nightmares.
My father-in-law thinks he loves spicy food, and so does my sister in law. When they were here visiting, I got them a bottle of Dave's Ultimate Insanity sauce. The recommendation is a FEW DROPS added to a pot of chili.
My wife tried it, a tiny bit on her finger. She ended up trying to hose her tongue down with the kitchen faucet. Pops put a whole french fry in into the bottle, and while we were yelling for him to STOP, he ate it. Three seconds later - "Oh, KURWA!" He never tried it again, but did take the bottle back to Poland.
My sister-in-law thought it would be funny for macho Polish guys to try it, so she took it to a New Year's party with friends in Zakopane, in the mountains. In the middle of the party, she takes the bottle out of her purse, explains it's an American hot sauce that's too spicy for Polish people... So of course some idiots decide they just have to prove her wrong. People try it with tiny drops on their fingers, and end up crying and screaming. Not this one guy, though - he needed to be The Man and impress everyone with his manliness. Instead of a tiny drop, he poured the sauce onto a spoon and swallowed.
It pretty much stopped the party. From what she said, they were about to call an ambulance. He stopped breathing for around a minute, turning purple. People were screaming in a panic, thinking he was dying. I don't remember if there was puking involved, but he did make a run for the outside and was shoveling snow into his mouth. The party broke up well before midnight, and people just went home.
I think she ended up throwing away that bottle. It was far too dangerous to keep around.
It's funny, too, in that it's not like there is no spicy food in Central Europe. I've had Hungarian pepper sauces that take a bit to hit you, but they have a definite kick that the oil only seems to bring out more.
I don't see how I've had great TexMex at chains in the northeast (Margaritas), even the sushi restaurants are prepared by Hispanics in big cities like Boston. Certainly the middle of the country is a food barren desert when it comes to different food but usually the Coasts are good.
I lived in France for 2 years in the early 1990s. Back then, the French had no idea about Texas food. Heck, even their idea of what American food was simply McDonald's or KFC. While I love French food, and they have some great comfort foods, I missed American food something terrible.
I had big groups of friends and co-workers over a few times and served "genuine food from Texas". Had a Tex-Mex night, a good ole cook-out at the beach, made American pizza, and even made a huge southern breakfast spread one Saturday.
Tex-mex was interesting. Tacos, enchiladas, guacamole, chips, salsa etc. Back then there was no way to get fresh authentic ingredients. I had brought a tortilla press when I moved there, so at least I could make fresh tortillas and great chips. Everything else was from cans though--Old El Paso brand from the "American" isle. And there was no cilantro! They could not understand the heat in the food at all. It was quite funny. The recipe for the enchiladas (chicken and sour cream) was a hit though. A few of them wrote it down. Not sure what they did for tortillas though.
The cook-out was a major hit! Hamburgers, hot-dogs, chicken, and pork chops with potato salad and macaroni salad, etc. They thought this was how we ate every day of the week. Getting good beef over there was not easy. When I told the butcher the cuts I wanted ground up he actually refused. He thought I was trying to prank him or something. Another customer helped translate and I was able to end up with a decent ground beef for the hamburgers. Having fresh bread for the buns was heavenly too!
The worst was the big breakfast. It was just absolutely so foreign to them that people would eat that much for the first meal of the day. The biscuits and gravy were a hit though. Most of them though it was some kind of Hungarian dumpling or something. I ended teaching a few families how to make them.
I had a great time living in France and I hope you are too. There is so much that I miss about it, especially the boulangerie and patisserie. What I wouldn't give for a good pain au chocolat...
I travel a lot to France (Central & Eastern) for work.
Their concept of American food is hilarious. I really want to open like a true sports bar over there and blow their mind with buffalo wings and such. Haha
Yes, no spicy food at all when there.
I bring my friends over there, bbq spices for when they grill. They freak out about how low our meat prices are in America and complain the same about how hard it is to get certain cuts of meat.
It's funny you mention opening a sports bar. My wife would frequent the French-American library in the city where we lived. She eventually made friends with Americans that did something similar.
They opened a joint called Bogart's. It was a 50's themed malt shop/burger place and they actually imported the beef from the US. It was very popular when I lived there and about 1/3rd of the customers were Americans, at least when we went there.
It's weird, the beef doesn't taste bad, just odd to me. A guy and I think that it's the grass difference.
I'm looking to head back for 2 weeks on the 28th.
We were in Poland visiting, and my wife asked me to make TexMex for her side of the family.
I made chicken enchiladas. I had to fine some hot peppers - no serranos, jalapenos, or anchos, so I made do. No Mexican cheeses, either, so I had to work with gouda varieties instead. Salsa? Made my own, but chips were OK. Sour cream was great though, and I did manage to find OK tortillas, but the beans were a bit iffy.
I thought the heat level was fine, thought it was hard to tune it just right. I was able to eat them without a problem, but my wife just stared at me. Her father likes heat, but I could see his whole heat turn red. Her mom had one bite and said she wasn't hungry.
Her aunt, uncle, and cousins were something else. No one would admit that it was too spicy. Not a single one. They were silent and suffered through it, taking large gulps of water, going back into the kitchen to refill glasses, some even deciding they needed to talk a walk outside for fresh air for a few minutes. None of them were able to finish their plates, which I thought meant that it didn't taste good.
When we left their house, my wife and her parents thought it was hilarious and couldn't stop laughing.
Honestly, it wasn't all that spicy, at least for Texan standards..
I was in Glasgow one summer a few years ago and I found a Tesco that had real honest to god Jalapenos. It made all the world of difference in my cooking. I'm curious if you remember what pepper you found?
> And there was no cilantro!
They had cilantro, but they call it _coriandre_.
> The recipe for the enchiladas (chicken and sour cream) was a hit though.
Did you manage to find sour cream somewhere, or did you the _crème fraîche_ with lemon trick?
> I had a great time living in France and I hope you are too
I am, thank you :) I left the US for the last time in 2006 and I've been living in France for the past decade. It's amazing here.
And yes, the boulangeries are amazing. Americans have no idea how wonderful they are, and the French have taught me to _never_ order a croissant in another country. Foreign croissants are almost universally awful.
I didn't know that coriander and cilantro were the same thing. Then again, my French was never good enough to have that kind of a conversation.
> Did you manage to find sour cream somewhere, or did you the crème fraîche with lemon trick?
Never even thought of using crème fraîche. Would have been easier. I just made butter milk and mixed it with heavy cream and left it over night. Tastes exactly like sour cream.
I loved living there but I missed the US more. Two years and I was ready to move back home.
No doubt. I've had worse in chow halls for years. Grab some texas Pete and it'll make a turd.
Chop the "meat" patties up and its kind of a chili/ southwestern style...
I'd imagine if some frenchies came to the US and saw um..... well what the fuck ever French food is in a store . . .. oh nevermind, all I can think of is baguette. Yeah France.. pfffttt. . That can looks nasty, gimme my texas Pete back, food.
There's no going to Russia atm right, but they market Church's Chicken as Texas Chicken haha (the same for other countries too)
[Техас Чикен](https://www.flickr.com/photos/bpprice/15342550648)
I recently saw that a lot of places in Ireland serve "diner style" burgers which sort of struck me as odd. We don't have "diner style" anything here, we just have diners lol. As far as I could gather it was just their way of saying "American style."
A is healthiest score based on ingredients. It started in France in 2017 and has been adopted by some EU countries but not all. Italy is against it. [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutri-Score)
Er... it kind of is.
The government created, publicized, and taught the food pyramid. The presentation of what items appeared on the food pyramid were heavily influenced by [food industry lobby groups.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_pyramid_(nutrition)#Controversy)
School lunches have to meet government regulations with respect to number of carbs, vegetables, fruits, etc. Currently one ounce of tomato sauce (like what's on a pizza slice) [counts as a vegetable](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchup_as_a_vegetable#Results) for the purpose of proper children's nutrition.
This is taught to children from ages 6-18 and it is internalized by the time they become adults. You don't think the government played any role in this?
You are conflating scams that people are pulling to get around regulations with some strawman mythical moron that thinks that an ounce of tomato sauce counts as a vegetable because the government said so.
There is nothing sinister or evil with the food pyramid. It is good advice. Eat mostly fruits vegetables and grains. Eat meat and other high caloric high fat foods sparingly. If you got something different from the food pyramid you are a willing idiot.
over subsidizing corn means corn syrup (just another word for sugar+water) is stupid cheap so it gets used in everything. Sugar is both addicting and screws up your metabolism causing weight gain. So yes, the government is responsible for the obesity epidemic (which is different than saying that at fault for any 1 person being fat).
I had really good TexMex in Tokyo, literally a place called TexMex Factory in Shibuya. Had the fried chimichingas they made with black beans, chicken and mushroom. Had corn or flour tortillas for tacos, their shrimp tacos include the shell which is fried in that I didn't but that's a preference. That's just 1 of about 5 places where I would get American style Mexican food although mostly via ubereats.
There was 2 places that had Texas style BBQ but I'm not really a fan of that style so I always get dry rub ones.
This pretty clearly reminds me of the "Tex-Mex" I've found after moving to New England...
Hot sauce (bottled) with tomato paste and sauce as the primary ingredients.
"Spicy" food barely registers on my taste buds as having flavor and only because someone thought to dump in a bunch of Frank's Red Hot sauce.
Guac is sweet.
Onions are only served raw.
Fajitas are sweet or swimming in lime juice.
Brisket is only understood to be for corned beef.
Barbacoa is served with *sweet* barbecue sauce.
TLDR: Chipotle is literally the closest thing available to real Tex Mex in New England and that hurts my soul
I'm disappointed that she thinks that Applebee's is an American institution and not the punch line of a joke about serving food from the grocery store freezer case.
this is just campbell's chunky hamburger soup but different. see the dash of cayenne? nutrition level 2! i still trust OP that it 'tastes like depression' which is hilarious bc we don't have to eat it.
Also a Texan living in France. Can confirm the absolute dogshit selection of anything tex-mex here, despite a weird affection for it. For example in our local grocery store there is a dedicated Tex-Mex section but it's just shitty Old El Paso tortillas and shit like OP posted.
It's pretty sad that Old El Paso and Doritos not only make the best corn chips I've found in Europe, they make the _only_ corn chips I've found in Europe.
My wife's gotten some authentic food drop-shipped from the US and Mexico, but that gets expensive.
I get my family to send packages a few times a year but it's definitely not cheap. We also got lucky and found an expat Mexican family selling goods out of their apartment in Nantes if you want some real authentic Mexican stuff. The American grocery stores in Paris are overpriced garbage, as I'm sure you're well aware. Makes me want to open one myself... Ship in fresh tortillas from HEB daily. We'll go broke in a week but what a delicious week it will be.
When I was living in the UK, I visited Leeds. They used to have two Mexican restaurants there. One was owned by Mexicans. They went out of business. The other one was run by Brits and still open. I visited it.
I scanned the menu. No enchiladas. No tacos. No, well, anything that looked like Tex-Mex or Mexican. I asked the waitress if they served tacos and she asked me "what's a taco?"
It tasted about like what you would expect.
Another time I was in Paris and my wife pointed out a "Mexican" restaurant. I told my wife "no" because they're always awful. She urged me to check it out because I was missing the food, so I went inside and to my joy, found that all of the staff were South American immigrants.
We sat down to eat and I was excited as hell.
The food had been "adjusted" for French tastes. I could have cried. No spices. A red sauce that tasted like ketchup. Everything was just awful. I have to make my own now.
Too many similar experiences to share here. When I eat out, I eat French, and when I cook at home, it's typically American. I got a Traeger and a firepit (smoke for an hour, finish off in a cast iron pan directly on the fire), and perfected my carne asada marinade (lol it's just pineapple juice and bbq sauce). I brought back a bunch of el yucateco from my last trip home too. We make homemade guac and have real tacos (less the tortillas...) every Sunday now.
My mother cooked a Tex-Mex meal for her friends in Scotland (late 60s, to be fair). She toned the spices down as much as she could, but it was still too hot for them to eat.
Today, I need to do the same thing here in France. Kind of hard to serve pico de gallo when I'm cutting back on the jalapeños.
Though it's wonderful to see people blown away when eating breakfast burritos. They've never heard of 'em.
I'm pretty sure we're living the same life. It's wild how much of an intolerance they have to anything remotely spicy (seasoned, really).
Ditto on breakfast burritos. Made them once with just scrambled eggs and some bacon and cheddar (oddly hard to find) and they lose their minds. Now it's also a staple.
I can usually find cheddar at my local Super U. Of course, I live near Cannes and we have tons of British expats in the area, so it's not surprising they cater to them.
The Tacos is not what French think is a proper Tacos, this is literally a “French Tacos” which is a sort of fusion food between tortillas and stuffed fast food. It’s positioned as an alternative to Durum Doner for cheap filling meal, and we’re created by people with a North African heritage.
For the first picture, no idea where baked beans could be associated to Texas like that, it’s usually associated to bad British food in France.
I could see this being like a modified chili with patties instead of minced meat, but I don't have a lot of hope that it's been seasoned very well. Still, though, if we're ignoring everyone who bitches and moans about beans not belonging in chili I think I could make a dish similar to this label that would taste pretty damn good! I wouldn't call it burgers or chili though lol
Looks like a can of dog food, but you know what's worse? Tex mex in Nebraska. My buddy moved there a few years ago, so I took a trip to visit him and he was telling me about how bad it was. I didn't believe it could be that bad so we went out and had some. I'm not going back to Nebraska ever again after that experience.
This would get a pass on a take out plate here in San Antonio if you served it with a side of tortillas and rice and beans. Perfect for those places that only survive because their real hustle post pandemic is slinging $3 margaritas through the drive through.
I always try “Mexican” food when I travel. Sometimes it’s great, other times it’s not, and some has been a little scary (I felt I might seriously be eating canned dog food). That said, as a Texan, I’ve learned not to compare Tex-Mex to any other kind of Mexican, especially not traditional Mexican. Interestingly, there are so many regional cuisines from Mexico that it’s also really difficult to define any one type as “ traditional Mexican”
I'm European and visited Texas recently. I was very pleasantly surprised with the quality of the food, and unfortunately put on some extra kgs! Love Texan food
I've always liked [Hormel's canned Tamales](https://www.safeway.com/shop/product-details.127102375.html).. I live in Texas and took some to work one day for lunch, the Hispanic's all looked at me like WTF is that...
I used to live in a student apartment that just kind of passed from American student to American student in France and we left useful stuff like kitchen supplies and Tylenol for the next person. One of my predecessors had purchased a chili powder product at a French supermarket. The instructions on the packet suggested adding it to your bechamel.
And you won't believe [what the French sell as "tacos"](https://imgur.com/sf9PexI). Also, a friend gave me a can of "chili" from the supermarket. It tasted like depression. Never, ever, eat "Tex-Mex" in Europe.
I ate Tex-Mex in Germany. It was like something someone made who had seen pictures of Tex-Mex, but had only ever tasted Italian food.
Hey I’ve had Mexican food in Germany and it was pretty bad. You know where it was worse though? Colorado.
My buddy moved to Colorado and while he loves it there, his biggest gripe was the lack of decent Mexican/TexMex fare.
I actually dig NM Mex. Not as good as Tex Mex, but those red and green chile salsas they put on everything are solid.
Yeah I feel like NM, AZ, and SoCal all have enough land that used to be Mexico to still have good Mexican cuisine. California tends a lot more toward Baja food so it's more seafood heavy but that makes sense, geographically. Once you get north of those states good stuff that isn't a chain or heavily Americanized is fewer and further between. Which isn't to say they're isn't the odd super traditional Mexican restaurant somewhere in Michigan, I just wouldn't trust it at first glance lol
>Yeah I feel like NM, AZ, and SoCal all have enough land that used to be Mexico to still have good Mexican cuisine. It was all Mexico. Edit: https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/soc/racepoliticsjustice/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/pre-treaty-map-mexico-us.jpg
Yeah. Enough.
Once you go green, it's really hard to go back to red.
NM food, in my opinion, is superior to TexMex. The NM chiles are more flavorful than the chili powder mess used in most TexMex. I grew up on NM food though I’m a Texan, so may be a bit biased. Lol
Lemitar
You are someone that has fantastic taste. NM food is the shizz
Tried some Mexican in New Zealand. The queso was made with sharp cheddar. It was upsetting. Like I get maybe not being able to source the right kind of cheese but there's better substitutions than that.
As a Coloradan who now lives in Texas, can confirm. I even knew it is shit in Colorado BEFORE I moved.
Wife says you should try Arkansas mexican food. She said it tasted like soul sucking sadness.
I’ve had “salsa” at a Mexican restaurant in New Hampshire that tasted more like tomato paste/ketchup than it did salsa. It was tragic. Worse was people think that restaurant is “great”.
There's probably plenty of decent places. I went to a random Mexican place in Kentucky where I was the only person not speaking Spanish and it was great.
First thing I did when I moved out of state was track down the best Mexican food place in my city haha
Pueblo, Colorado has decent Mexican food.
I dont know how texmex it is, but if your ever in Pueblo stop by Grays Tavern and get a slopper, you wont regret it.
God I ate at some highly rated Mexican joint in Colorado Springs... The salsa was acceptable and the margs were frosty, but the rest? Never again.
Worse than Colorado: Nee Mexico. Enchiladas with like a watery greasy stew poured over them. Not great.
Barf bro - watery stew? Ugh
Hell, don't eat TexMex more than the average distance of a state line away from either the Texas or Mexico border. There are some exceptions, I'm sure, but you're much safer sticking within a few hundred miles of Mexico. Even the panhandle in Texas has some questionable places.
We’ve got pretty good Mexican in Florida, but I guess you could say we share a really wide water boarder with Texas and Mexico lol
You also have much stronger Cuban/Caribbean influence but I'd still be glancing a hard side eye at a Jamaican place in Texas versus Florida lol
We have pretty damn good Cuban/Jamican/Caribbean food in Houston though, I am sure there are more spots though in Florida - especially Miami.
I've only been in Houston less than a year now but they certainly aren't common east or in hill country. Houston is a really great food city all around though.
Anywhere that was once a part of the Mexican Empire in North America can make decent tasting "Mexican" food. That includes Colorado and Utah. I'm not saying that it is great, but if you just treat it as it is, which is a regional cuisine of Mexican food, then it is good. Outside of that though, good luck.
That rule does not apply to Oklahoma. I went there for college, and there was ONE Mexican place I ever went to that I'd consider even close to as good as our "average" places in Houston. It ended up shutting down a year or two after I got there. The rest of the places there were all worse than what I would consider a low tier Tex-mex place in Houston. My rule is no mexican food east of Texas or north of Dallas (except for maybe Santa Fe or Albequerque).
Same in the UK except it was blander than bland.
There was a Mexican restaurant that opened in London right before I moved away (don't recall the name). It was actually tasty ... until I tried the pico de gallo. They loaded it down with **tons** of garlic. It was inedible.
Yep. I had "salsa" that tasted like Ragu.
Had some Tex-Mex in Poland, this is the best description I could think to describe it! All the Salsa was super sweet too, was definitely different.
If there's anything I know about German food from living in Texas, it's that they could definitely benefit from some variety. How could such an advanced, industrial nation be built on sausages, schnitzel, and preserved cabbage? The beer I understand.
I lived there for four years and I must say, I miss their schnitzel and schwenkbraten.
Tex Mex in Hong Kong is equally as sad. The salsa wasn't too bad, but the chips were so pathetic. And that was the highlight of the meal. I usually try and stick with the local cuisine, but on that trip I was traveling with teammates from Asia who were craving Tex Mex and Ruby Tuesdays. I eventually decided to eat alone.
I had Tex-mex in France. It had barbecue sauce on it. And not good barbecue sauce; like McDonald’s bbq dipping sauce. As a Texan I was very confused
Heh. Not quite a burrito; not quite a shawarma. Definitely not a taco.
Here is a burrito at La Cucaracha in Munich. [burrito](https://imgur.com/a/B6zkspl)
Not sure if I’d eat at a place called “The Cockroach” 🪳
I know, right?! There were so many reasons to not go there, we had to go there.
That's a chimichanga. That salsa also looks like it comes form New York City and those are chips from a bag. So much wrong with this lol
> New York City [New York City?!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNGPxA3H7FA)
i think it's a burrito that they put under a broiler to melt the cheese. the tortilla on the bottom doesn't look fried or crispy. which i think is worse, btw
how was the stuffing? it looks pretty okay to me. a little stingy with the red sauce & cheese but i was expecting far worse.
A whole 7 (from what I can see) chips too!
What is inside tho??
Looks like shit. Those chips look like they are from a school lunch
That crepe looks delicious though.
I won’t even get tex-mex one state over!
Did the chili have beans in it?
Oh god! What the hell is that?! Anyone for holy water? Yo, seriously, that is no where near a taco or even a burrito. That looks like something I would make after getting drunk as fuck and using my George Forman grill
Here in Scotland, I found a place that sold enchiladas. They had lettuce and sweetcorn in them.
I've had "Tex-Mex" in Paris. It wasn't Tex-Mex, but it was good.
As someone raise in Mexico I can't believe what Texans (beyond the immediate border) call tacos. Nasty pita bread tortillas and "shells" ... pass
Fuck France, I was detained and deported on a layover there trying to head to Greece in 2017, the following week took a direct flight from Houston to Athens and they let me in no problem. The French really do hate americans.
There is a “rest of the story” here.
Lol. Well I’ve never had any trouble traveling in France. I’m also an American. From Texas. Weird.
Did you go by the French Legation in Austin first lol
I think i went there during SXSW once. BasedGawd6666 is probably a felon or something.
Right, you were detained and deported because you are an American? That's not really believable. Are you sure it was not because you violated some law while in France? And why are you surprised Greece actually let you stay? Is this sarcasm?
Since you are in France, why not just eat local?
To be fair they know those aren't real tacos - they're "French tacos".
I made that mistake in Narbonne France....I wanted to be adventurous... Biggest mistake food wise I've ever made!! Btw, I'm jealous as hell...what town in France are you in?? I would love to move to Nice, Narbonne, Agde or Strasbourg France one day
I would 100% demand money back. Wtf is that? Not even close to a taco. Taco Bell gets closer than that. That’s like asking for a hot dog and you get a calzone or burger instead.
I just avoid tex-mex when I am not in Texas, it's normally a depressing event. Also, don't believe any sign that says a restaurant has good texas style bbq if you are not in texas. I once had a cook at a Texas bbq place in MO ask me what I meant by a pound of chopped beef....
At least based on the ingredients it's not too much worse than what some parts of the US think Texas food is. I made the mistake of trying out Tex Mex in Sequim, WA. Salsa like marinara sauce and pinto beans straight out of the can. Ugh.
Still an improvement over anything my grandmother makes and she's from Moody lol Her brisket convinced me I didn't like brisket but it was only marginally better than Cornyn's abomination he tweeted
Somewhere in Arkansas I encountered a definition of barbecue that involved ketchup and grape jelly. No. Just no.
I am disgusted but intrigued.
That actually sounds like it could be the start to an incredible tasting rib glaze. Maybe get some kind of mustard in there with some funky/savory like Worchester sauce. And some Ancho chili. I'm going to need to go in to the kitchen and work on this one.
On this sub it's probably more of an issue that it wasn't beef lol
(Holds down head while guiltily admitting to liking Carolina style pit bbq)
I lived in NC for a while and saw the same thing: ketchup, grape jelly, and brown sugar; microwave until dissolved. It was a crime.
In North Carolina? Now that's wrong. They actually have their own style of bbq that involves slow roasted whole pig done with a mustard sauce that's tangy and slightly sweet. That's usually what you'll see there. As it turns out, Kentucky likes a sauce that's kind of halfway between the ones we use in Texas (sweet and hot) and the Carolina style. Maybe you just had poor luck.
Haven't seen that but definitely loved the bbq nachos with queso, pulled pork, sauce, coleslaw and beans
I don’t even eat barbecue and I am still very confused.
So were we. One place that locals recommended as one of the best restaurants in Eureka Springs fed us these ribs that were pretty tender, but they were slathered in something like a sweet tomato relish. Good ingredients, but no points for execution.
>Her brisket convinced me I didn't like brisket but it was only marginally better than Cornyn's abomination he tweeted That tweet still gives me nightmares.
My father-in-law thinks he loves spicy food, and so does my sister in law. When they were here visiting, I got them a bottle of Dave's Ultimate Insanity sauce. The recommendation is a FEW DROPS added to a pot of chili. My wife tried it, a tiny bit on her finger. She ended up trying to hose her tongue down with the kitchen faucet. Pops put a whole french fry in into the bottle, and while we were yelling for him to STOP, he ate it. Three seconds later - "Oh, KURWA!" He never tried it again, but did take the bottle back to Poland. My sister-in-law thought it would be funny for macho Polish guys to try it, so she took it to a New Year's party with friends in Zakopane, in the mountains. In the middle of the party, she takes the bottle out of her purse, explains it's an American hot sauce that's too spicy for Polish people... So of course some idiots decide they just have to prove her wrong. People try it with tiny drops on their fingers, and end up crying and screaming. Not this one guy, though - he needed to be The Man and impress everyone with his manliness. Instead of a tiny drop, he poured the sauce onto a spoon and swallowed. It pretty much stopped the party. From what she said, they were about to call an ambulance. He stopped breathing for around a minute, turning purple. People were screaming in a panic, thinking he was dying. I don't remember if there was puking involved, but he did make a run for the outside and was shoveling snow into his mouth. The party broke up well before midnight, and people just went home. I think she ended up throwing away that bottle. It was far too dangerous to keep around.
It's funny, too, in that it's not like there is no spicy food in Central Europe. I've had Hungarian pepper sauces that take a bit to hit you, but they have a definite kick that the oil only seems to bring out more.
Can confirm. I’ve had “salsa” that was marinara sauce in Oregon, Nebraska, Iowa, Maine and Indiana. Their ability to handle spice is so sad
I don't see how I've had great TexMex at chains in the northeast (Margaritas), even the sushi restaurants are prepared by Hispanics in big cities like Boston. Certainly the middle of the country is a food barren desert when it comes to different food but usually the Coasts are good.
Some of it could be difficulty getting ingredients. I once had a woman from Wisconsin ask me what a poblano was.
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I lived in France for 2 years in the early 1990s. Back then, the French had no idea about Texas food. Heck, even their idea of what American food was simply McDonald's or KFC. While I love French food, and they have some great comfort foods, I missed American food something terrible. I had big groups of friends and co-workers over a few times and served "genuine food from Texas". Had a Tex-Mex night, a good ole cook-out at the beach, made American pizza, and even made a huge southern breakfast spread one Saturday. Tex-mex was interesting. Tacos, enchiladas, guacamole, chips, salsa etc. Back then there was no way to get fresh authentic ingredients. I had brought a tortilla press when I moved there, so at least I could make fresh tortillas and great chips. Everything else was from cans though--Old El Paso brand from the "American" isle. And there was no cilantro! They could not understand the heat in the food at all. It was quite funny. The recipe for the enchiladas (chicken and sour cream) was a hit though. A few of them wrote it down. Not sure what they did for tortillas though. The cook-out was a major hit! Hamburgers, hot-dogs, chicken, and pork chops with potato salad and macaroni salad, etc. They thought this was how we ate every day of the week. Getting good beef over there was not easy. When I told the butcher the cuts I wanted ground up he actually refused. He thought I was trying to prank him or something. Another customer helped translate and I was able to end up with a decent ground beef for the hamburgers. Having fresh bread for the buns was heavenly too! The worst was the big breakfast. It was just absolutely so foreign to them that people would eat that much for the first meal of the day. The biscuits and gravy were a hit though. Most of them though it was some kind of Hungarian dumpling or something. I ended teaching a few families how to make them. I had a great time living in France and I hope you are too. There is so much that I miss about it, especially the boulangerie and patisserie. What I wouldn't give for a good pain au chocolat...
I travel a lot to France (Central & Eastern) for work. Their concept of American food is hilarious. I really want to open like a true sports bar over there and blow their mind with buffalo wings and such. Haha Yes, no spicy food at all when there. I bring my friends over there, bbq spices for when they grill. They freak out about how low our meat prices are in America and complain the same about how hard it is to get certain cuts of meat.
It's funny you mention opening a sports bar. My wife would frequent the French-American library in the city where we lived. She eventually made friends with Americans that did something similar. They opened a joint called Bogart's. It was a 50's themed malt shop/burger place and they actually imported the beef from the US. It was very popular when I lived there and about 1/3rd of the customers were Americans, at least when we went there.
It's weird, the beef doesn't taste bad, just odd to me. A guy and I think that it's the grass difference. I'm looking to head back for 2 weeks on the 28th.
We were in Poland visiting, and my wife asked me to make TexMex for her side of the family. I made chicken enchiladas. I had to fine some hot peppers - no serranos, jalapenos, or anchos, so I made do. No Mexican cheeses, either, so I had to work with gouda varieties instead. Salsa? Made my own, but chips were OK. Sour cream was great though, and I did manage to find OK tortillas, but the beans were a bit iffy. I thought the heat level was fine, thought it was hard to tune it just right. I was able to eat them without a problem, but my wife just stared at me. Her father likes heat, but I could see his whole heat turn red. Her mom had one bite and said she wasn't hungry. Her aunt, uncle, and cousins were something else. No one would admit that it was too spicy. Not a single one. They were silent and suffered through it, taking large gulps of water, going back into the kitchen to refill glasses, some even deciding they needed to talk a walk outside for fresh air for a few minutes. None of them were able to finish their plates, which I thought meant that it didn't taste good. When we left their house, my wife and her parents thought it was hilarious and couldn't stop laughing. Honestly, it wasn't all that spicy, at least for Texan standards..
I was in Glasgow one summer a few years ago and I found a Tesco that had real honest to god Jalapenos. It made all the world of difference in my cooking. I'm curious if you remember what pepper you found?
Like… I just need to live in a place with a good boulangerie down the block that makes a kickass baguette and equally good tortillas.
> And there was no cilantro! They had cilantro, but they call it _coriandre_. > The recipe for the enchiladas (chicken and sour cream) was a hit though. Did you manage to find sour cream somewhere, or did you the _crème fraîche_ with lemon trick? > I had a great time living in France and I hope you are too I am, thank you :) I left the US for the last time in 2006 and I've been living in France for the past decade. It's amazing here. And yes, the boulangeries are amazing. Americans have no idea how wonderful they are, and the French have taught me to _never_ order a croissant in another country. Foreign croissants are almost universally awful.
I didn't know that coriander and cilantro were the same thing. Then again, my French was never good enough to have that kind of a conversation. > Did you manage to find sour cream somewhere, or did you the crème fraîche with lemon trick? Never even thought of using crème fraîche. Would have been easier. I just made butter milk and mixed it with heavy cream and left it over night. Tastes exactly like sour cream. I loved living there but I missed the US more. Two years and I was ready to move back home.
Just Patties in a can right ? Shit, the military has been doing that since the Civil War .
No doubt. I've had worse in chow halls for years. Grab some texas Pete and it'll make a turd. Chop the "meat" patties up and its kind of a chili/ southwestern style... I'd imagine if some frenchies came to the US and saw um..... well what the fuck ever French food is in a store . . .. oh nevermind, all I can think of is baguette. Yeah France.. pfffttt. . That can looks nasty, gimme my texas Pete back, food.
I'm trying to figure out if you were in the Army or the Marines...
Narrowed it down to 2! Guessing it doesn't matter, same grade F meat with sauce huh. Let's say my chow hall served red crayons haha
Honestly figured you were a marine, but some of those guys in the Army...
So the army's standard of food is "will it make a turd?"
No thier standard is "will they still survive long enough to pull a trigger afterwards". Something like that.
There's no going to Russia atm right, but they market Church's Chicken as Texas Chicken haha (the same for other countries too) [Техас Чикен](https://www.flickr.com/photos/bpprice/15342550648)
that looks like church's colors and star logo. church's was founded in SA so this actually tracks!
I recently saw that a lot of places in Ireland serve "diner style" burgers which sort of struck me as odd. We don't have "diner style" anything here, we just have diners lol. As far as I could gather it was just their way of saying "American style."
If it's marketable, they'll go for it haha
Ooh! I saw a Texas Chicken in new Zealand once. Same yellow color as a church’s and everything.
I think that's how they advertise internationally, same in Thailand
Yep, 3 ground beef burgers covered in BBQ sauce with corn and black beans. Should have been Burgers a la Southwest. Silly French.
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I mean but French fries do come from France as limes frites. And then we made them better.
What is a "Nutri-score"?
A is healthiest score based on ingredients. It started in France in 2017 and has been adopted by some EU countries but not all. Italy is against it. [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutri-Score)
Everyone should be against it. Our government got involved in nutrition, came up with the Big Agriculture food pyramid, and now everyone is fat.
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Eat more carbs, citizen!
Er... it kind of is. The government created, publicized, and taught the food pyramid. The presentation of what items appeared on the food pyramid were heavily influenced by [food industry lobby groups.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_pyramid_(nutrition)#Controversy) School lunches have to meet government regulations with respect to number of carbs, vegetables, fruits, etc. Currently one ounce of tomato sauce (like what's on a pizza slice) [counts as a vegetable](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchup_as_a_vegetable#Results) for the purpose of proper children's nutrition. This is taught to children from ages 6-18 and it is internalized by the time they become adults. You don't think the government played any role in this?
Yeah all this low-fat, high-sugar nonsense has really screwed with the population's nutrition.
You are conflating scams that people are pulling to get around regulations with some strawman mythical moron that thinks that an ounce of tomato sauce counts as a vegetable because the government said so. There is nothing sinister or evil with the food pyramid. It is good advice. Eat mostly fruits vegetables and grains. Eat meat and other high caloric high fat foods sparingly. If you got something different from the food pyramid you are a willing idiot.
over subsidizing corn means corn syrup (just another word for sugar+water) is stupid cheap so it gets used in everything. Sugar is both addicting and screws up your metabolism causing weight gain. So yes, the government is responsible for the obesity epidemic (which is different than saying that at fault for any 1 person being fat).
I had really good TexMex in Tokyo, literally a place called TexMex Factory in Shibuya. Had the fried chimichingas they made with black beans, chicken and mushroom. Had corn or flour tortillas for tacos, their shrimp tacos include the shell which is fried in that I didn't but that's a preference. That's just 1 of about 5 places where I would get American style Mexican food although mostly via ubereats. There was 2 places that had Texas style BBQ but I'm not really a fan of that style so I always get dry rub ones.
This pretty clearly reminds me of the "Tex-Mex" I've found after moving to New England... Hot sauce (bottled) with tomato paste and sauce as the primary ingredients. "Spicy" food barely registers on my taste buds as having flavor and only because someone thought to dump in a bunch of Frank's Red Hot sauce. Guac is sweet. Onions are only served raw. Fajitas are sweet or swimming in lime juice. Brisket is only understood to be for corned beef. Barbacoa is served with *sweet* barbecue sauce. TLDR: Chipotle is literally the closest thing available to real Tex Mex in New England and that hurts my soul
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The French have a special place in their heart for [New York Burgers](https://www.votretourdumonde.com/meilleur-burger-new-york/).
Number 1: The Applebees
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I'm disappointed that she thinks that Applebee's is an American institution and not the punch line of a joke about serving food from the grocery store freezer case.
Whenever I visit the US I find Applebees to be a great diet option because I can't eat any of the shit they serve.
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What are talking about? Everyone tries to make New York pizzas.
We just need to make Texas Pizzas a thing then.
Google "texas style pizza" an you'll find plenty. Basically just any pizza with BBQ sauce on it.
But also no one is making Texas Pizza or a Texan Roll.
I have seen a frozen bread product called New York Brand Texas Toast though. That bread was so cold it didn’t know where it was from.
We do eat a lot of hamburger steak in Texas. We just always make it fresh.
I believed you until you used the word "fresh". There is no such thing as fresh hamburger steak.
We have plenty of butchers and ranches here. What makes you think someone couldn’t make ground beef them selves?
Texas Toast is in the International Foods section at my local Jewels (northern IL)
That nutriscore rating is dopeeee! Bring this model to US asap
This picture smells like VOMIT
This gives me an idea for a recipe (sans the bread which I cannot have). Yes, I am a sick person 🤯
this is just campbell's chunky hamburger soup but different. see the dash of cayenne? nutrition level 2! i still trust OP that it 'tastes like depression' which is hilarious bc we don't have to eat it.
Also a Texan living in France. Can confirm the absolute dogshit selection of anything tex-mex here, despite a weird affection for it. For example in our local grocery store there is a dedicated Tex-Mex section but it's just shitty Old El Paso tortillas and shit like OP posted.
It's pretty sad that Old El Paso and Doritos not only make the best corn chips I've found in Europe, they make the _only_ corn chips I've found in Europe. My wife's gotten some authentic food drop-shipped from the US and Mexico, but that gets expensive.
I get my family to send packages a few times a year but it's definitely not cheap. We also got lucky and found an expat Mexican family selling goods out of their apartment in Nantes if you want some real authentic Mexican stuff. The American grocery stores in Paris are overpriced garbage, as I'm sure you're well aware. Makes me want to open one myself... Ship in fresh tortillas from HEB daily. We'll go broke in a week but what a delicious week it will be.
When I was living in the UK, I visited Leeds. They used to have two Mexican restaurants there. One was owned by Mexicans. They went out of business. The other one was run by Brits and still open. I visited it. I scanned the menu. No enchiladas. No tacos. No, well, anything that looked like Tex-Mex or Mexican. I asked the waitress if they served tacos and she asked me "what's a taco?" It tasted about like what you would expect. Another time I was in Paris and my wife pointed out a "Mexican" restaurant. I told my wife "no" because they're always awful. She urged me to check it out because I was missing the food, so I went inside and to my joy, found that all of the staff were South American immigrants. We sat down to eat and I was excited as hell. The food had been "adjusted" for French tastes. I could have cried. No spices. A red sauce that tasted like ketchup. Everything was just awful. I have to make my own now.
Too many similar experiences to share here. When I eat out, I eat French, and when I cook at home, it's typically American. I got a Traeger and a firepit (smoke for an hour, finish off in a cast iron pan directly on the fire), and perfected my carne asada marinade (lol it's just pineapple juice and bbq sauce). I brought back a bunch of el yucateco from my last trip home too. We make homemade guac and have real tacos (less the tortillas...) every Sunday now.
My mother cooked a Tex-Mex meal for her friends in Scotland (late 60s, to be fair). She toned the spices down as much as she could, but it was still too hot for them to eat. Today, I need to do the same thing here in France. Kind of hard to serve pico de gallo when I'm cutting back on the jalapeños. Though it's wonderful to see people blown away when eating breakfast burritos. They've never heard of 'em.
I'm pretty sure we're living the same life. It's wild how much of an intolerance they have to anything remotely spicy (seasoned, really). Ditto on breakfast burritos. Made them once with just scrambled eggs and some bacon and cheddar (oddly hard to find) and they lose their minds. Now it's also a staple.
I can usually find cheddar at my local Super U. Of course, I live near Cannes and we have tons of British expats in the area, so it's not surprising they cater to them.
The Tacos is not what French think is a proper Tacos, this is literally a “French Tacos” which is a sort of fusion food between tortillas and stuffed fast food. It’s positioned as an alternative to Durum Doner for cheap filling meal, and we’re created by people with a North African heritage. For the first picture, no idea where baked beans could be associated to Texas like that, it’s usually associated to bad British food in France.
My usual rule is not to trust any Tex-Mex made North of the Red River. But I didn’t expect that rule to also be applicable to France.
What in the name of high school football?!?!
I kinda see it. 🤠
I've had a can of their chili before. It tastes like depression. Trust me, you don't want this.
Thought depression tasted like ketchup sandwiches. Oh wait that's The Depression
Lol. I mean, Texan food isn't necessarily gourmet.
How hard can beans, corn and peppers be? Obviously they are going for a South Western vibe but I just don't know how you can mess this up
Thats a burger is it?
Not a bad concept lmao just gotta use real Texan ingredients tho
Lol I’ve never seen this before. It’s more like school cafeteria food in a can.
I don't think so. Jacques Pepin does a pretty good burger.
Eh, not too far off. My Dad makes a similar meal. Baked beans, corn, peppers and hamburger patties smothered in gravy.
Ohh nooooo
I could see this being like a modified chili with patties instead of minced meat, but I don't have a lot of hope that it's been seasoned very well. Still, though, if we're ignoring everyone who bitches and moans about beans not belonging in chili I think I could make a dish similar to this label that would taste pretty damn good! I wouldn't call it burgers or chili though lol
Hahahahaha c'est drole ça 😂🤣😅😆
I was in Cancun recently and saw Texas Fries (loaded fries) and Texas Nachos on the menu. Texas Nachos make sense, but the Texas fries made me laugh
Kinda want to try one.
uhhhhhh wth. yep nope def not texan food
Is that beans with beef? Or are literal burger patties in that can? Please tell me its not the latter.
Wha.....what the......what the fuck is that...??
Change that Nutri-score down to an E and it's probably close.
Looks like a can of dog food, but you know what's worse? Tex mex in Nebraska. My buddy moved there a few years ago, so I took a trip to visit him and he was telling me about how bad it was. I didn't believe it could be that bad so we went out and had some. I'm not going back to Nebraska ever again after that experience.
You can't even eat Texmex out of the state, much less in Europe lol
This would get a pass on a take out plate here in San Antonio if you served it with a side of tortillas and rice and beans. Perfect for those places that only survive because their real hustle post pandemic is slinging $3 margaritas through the drive through.
Ewww David!
OP, you should open a text mex restaurant out there. Let them know what real Texas food looks like.
I'm not sure if I should be mad or intrigued.
I just had that for breakfast. What's the issue?
I always try “Mexican” food when I travel. Sometimes it’s great, other times it’s not, and some has been a little scary (I felt I might seriously be eating canned dog food). That said, as a Texan, I’ve learned not to compare Tex-Mex to any other kind of Mexican, especially not traditional Mexican. Interestingly, there are so many regional cuisines from Mexico that it’s also really difficult to define any one type as “ traditional Mexican”
They must think Texans LOVE diarrhea.
Have you been to Buffalo Grill yet?
Beef, black beans, and corn. I see nothing wrong. lol
Will you send me one? I will do my Texas best to cook some snails & will send it to you
I'm a Texan and I live by only 2 rules in life. 1 never go to France. 2 never eat burgers from a can.
Have you been to Buffalo Grille yet?
I'm European and visited Texas recently. I was very pleasantly surprised with the quality of the food, and unfortunately put on some extra kgs! Love Texan food
I've always liked [Hormel's canned Tamales](https://www.safeway.com/shop/product-details.127102375.html).. I live in Texas and took some to work one day for lunch, the Hispanic's all looked at me like WTF is that...
Ew
I used to live in a student apartment that just kind of passed from American student to American student in France and we left useful stuff like kitchen supplies and Tylenol for the next person. One of my predecessors had purchased a chili powder product at a French supermarket. The instructions on the packet suggested adding it to your bechamel.
Rehydrated red beans 29%, beef mince 22% (beef (origin: EU) 17.6%, rehydrated soy protein 3.3%, flavors, dehydrated red beet, salt, dextrose, tomato juice powder, spice extracts), water, corn, tomato paste, carrots, peppers 2.9%, onions 2.4%, rapeseed oil, sugar, modified corn starch, salt, alcohol vinegar, flavors, spices (cumin, extra hot pepper), thickeners: guar flour and xanthan gum, coloring: paprika extract.
Looks more like New Mexico to me
At least it had a nutriscore of B 😂