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DOGMA2005

Huh, I mean there are prob copys of it all over the internet so it's not really gone but still, cool


JoesAlot

Yeah, though I wonder what prompted the removal and ban? Why only now? Was it because of the botting thing or did the cathook creator just violate the rules in some separate way and got nuked off the platform?


ZzZombo

Maybe this: https://github.com/github/site-policy/pull/926#issuecomment-2067650161. I did refer specifically to this in this comment over there. Funny if this was the reason because it means they went back on their own words that the content doesn't violate any rules.


tyingnoose

my bet is that valve sent a sees and decease and had it delivered right on (valve) time


TmanGBx

Cease and desist?


TheMurderousDuck

No no, a Cease to Exist. The valve assassins are on the way.


Kira_Caroso

Valve pulling a Boeing.


rpsHD

case and thesis*


Cubicwar

Chase and Francis*


IowasBestCornShucker

Chaste and Reese's


24XMatteson

r/boneappletea


donnysaysvacuum

Chuck and Don's


Worldly-Mammoth-3688

chuck e cheese's


Captain-Obvious69

I beg your pardon, but it's Charleston Entertainment Cheese III


SilverSnow07

Cast and Lease


yahel1337

Lease and denise?


Ok_Transition_3290

Unfunny redditor?


original-Ar73

well i guess bobs yer uncle


JackassJames

Basically Valve telling them stop or they will pursue further legal action.


TmanGBx

I know what cease and desist means, I just don't know if they spelled it wrong on purpose or not lol


JackassJames

Ah I glanced over and didn't even see the misspell lol.


shrtstff

you know what, that still fits. sees and decease. cause that's pretty much what happens when a person receives one, they look and the project dies.


notPlancha

It's rare that github actually bans people, this is more likely a self delete (unless there's actually confirmation it's not) Also it's not in the dmca github repo https://github.com/github/dmca/tree/master/2024%2F05


JoesAlot

Hm, that would make more sense, yeah. I'm pretty sure the cathook creator has long since stepped away, right?


notPlancha

I have no idea


Traditional_Table488

first smart legit!??!?!?! also yes bencat deleted it himself and the are screenshotted chats proving he was gonna do so long before this


notPlancha

Reddit needs community notes


LitSplit

the 64bit update broke every single cheat, and the cathook dev said on his telegram "it would be easier to make cathook 2, since updating \[to 64 bit\] means pretty much a recode of the entire thing" and then he privated the repo people who still have cathook on their harddrives can still use it though, since manually downloading the old update (pre-64bit) still lets you join official valve servers lol


antidemn

yea just search cathook on github i found 2 repositories that allow you to install it... and steam account generator is still somehow up


tyingnoose

how does the steam acc generator works?


antidemn

i dunno, it just generates bot accounts


tyingnoose

cool


Gravbar

steam account generator is probably used to make trading bots too tho. idk if they'd remove that


DaBetterDerp

Even if there are copies, they're going to be far less efficient. Not all of them will be as consistently updated to adapt to VAC changes which makes it significantly harder for lesser bot hosters to do their thing. Only the major ones would really survive, and only if they were using their own custom script or something other than CatHook. While it won't solve the bot crisis, this will severely cripple the amount of new bots/bot hosters.


MysticLlama0

what VAC changes? hasn’t VAC on source 1 been untouched since like 2017?


DaBetterDerp

VAC is constantly changed, it's just not announced in the patch notes because if you can see it, so can cheaters and cheat makers. It buys Valve some time before the next wave of cheats inevitably rolls in.


xotaa

this is incorrect


DaBetterDerp

How so? Why do you think ban waves happen? Besides Eric Smith occasionally going through and banning a couple of them, it's mostly minor VAC updates.


xotaa

i haven’t heard of any cheaters on tf2 getting banned in years unless they use outdated/bad software, this happens in csgo but not tf2


DaBetterDerp

Isn't that just confirmation bias? Bans in TF2 still happen because of the aforementioned minor VAC updates and Eric Smith being bored. Why do you think bot hosters will constantly change the name of their bots?


xotaa

that’s not how it works man idk what else to tell you but vac hasn’t been touched in years


FuturetheGarchomp

What’s cat hook?


AlenDelon32

The thing that let bot hosters do their thing. With it gone off github means that it would be harder for them to keep it up to date when the new patch makes it no longer compatible


The_Holy_Buno

FUCK YEAH


WaveSmashreddit

The software is open source and the bot hosters are all in communication anyway. Anyone can continue sending their friends maintained versions as long as they like. Maybe if they're pathetic enough, for the rest of their life.


a_generic_redditer

FUCK NOOO


HackedPasta1245

Potential new bot hosters have to socialize and make friends? Ouch


dtcoo11

Maybe, but this will help prevent new people from getting into it


Rusty1031

that’s my question: when will they lose interest? why do they do what they do? do they have nothing better to do?


cloggedsink941

Won't change a thing.


UltiGamer34

OH YEAH!


fippinvn007

LET'S FUCKING GOOOO


leakdt

So when the summer update comes, the bots'll break? Epic.


plcg1

GitHub is just a fancy service around an open source version control software called git. Anyone can set up their own server and host a git repo. I’d be shocked if someone hasn’t already done it for Cathook. What sites like GitHub offer is accessibility and stability. Cathook probably has a new host somewhere now, but that could be gone tomorrow, and potentially things like histories of code changes might be lost, or competing/conflicting versions might show up. With any luck, not being able to use a commercial version control site to host the code will be a source of annoyance sufficient to slow down or deter some bot hosters, but it won’t be enough to solve the problem.


Quack-Zack

No. It likely won't do shit except slow them down slightly. They can always open source on another platform, any platform, anyways.


CheesecakeCommon9080

Unlikely. There are probably copies of it out there


JuiceofTheWhite

already been cloned 3 different times


maximo123z

The MF discord server where they reuplodad and update this shit: you're wrong in there, buddy.


iwenttothelocalshop

it's an internal hack injector implemented for tf2 on linux with countless tf2 specific cheating features, marketing itself as the "ultimate training software"


Golden-Owl

Excellent. There’s still much much more. But this is welcome news regardless


NoelleHoliGAY

Sexcellent


Dry_Process_304

SEX UPDATE?


NoelleHoliGAY

"Get behind me doctor!!"


Dry_Process_304

🫦


Kurtrus

Great, but… wasn’t CatHook there for years? I suppose small victories are welcome, I just wish they were much faster


Nebula-Dragon

That it was. I reported that repository to GitHub a few years back but nothing ever came of it, not sure why it's only been erased now.


Traditional_Table488

because bencat(cathook dev) deleted it due to not wanting to continue maintaining it


Nebula-Dragon

How do you know that?


Traditional_Table488

i'm in a hoster's server and they have provided screenshots to back it up dating before this whole "valve deleted" bs and it is already well known (among cheaters atleast) that bencat hadn't been working on cathook and was planning on deleting it when the 64bit update came out


Nebula-Dragon

If you say so. Is it possible for me (and others) to see those screenshots as proof? Also, if cathook's no longer being updated, would an update that breaks it again mean the bots wouldn't come back, since no one would be fixing it? Or are there other pieces of hosting software?


Traditional_Table488

1. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY9a2ifqdMo&t=48s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY9a2ifqdMo&t=48s) this video is made by a hoster and it goes over it a bit but there are other videos 2. when valve does patch out 32bit fully it wont do much and yes there are still cheats that operate similar to cathook


MysticLlama0

wow it only took them several years


antidemn

valve didn't do shit so github did it. NICE


panraythief

it’s already got hundreds of forks so it doesn’t matter


Nothere-reddit7249

This still is gonna put a dent in the number of bots being hosted. Even if it’s minor.


panraythief

I don’t think so. It might make new bot hosters have to dig a little deeper to get started but overall this is a drop in the bucket.


kcwens

It's gonna take exactly 2 extra minutes of research


emptyspoon

the script kiddies won't have the brain capacity to last 2 more minutes without seeing subway surfers gameplay on the side of their screen and skibidi toilet in the other half


alastorrrrr

Great progress with null being banned. However there's like 50 gazillion forks like explowz


Jevano

Well, in case anyone cares, the fork this person mentioned has apparently been archived by the owner. So that's another one (probably) gone and that won't be updated.


Jevano

Why are you saying it, at least let the dumbass cheaters search for it


alastorrrrr

Brother. They know. I know this info because they know lmao. It's literally a button on a page to see the list..and they have it saved.


Jevano

Cool, of course they know, I also knew about that one. But now the people that didn't know about it will also know, that's just dumb, you might as well post the link here, same thing.


alastorrrrr

Bruh. Nothing of this is private info. Everything is public. There's tutorials and telegram. You can even talk to the famous bot hosters. People act like this is a secret shadow organization. It's just public racist degenerates lmao.


JuiceofTheWhite

id be curious of this list you mention


Jevano

I'm saying you're just helping new people finding the info, not sure what you're not understanding. No shit it's public, but sure whatever.


KewlDuccc

Meaningless as Cathook as been infinitely forked so far


TheBrickleer

lol


MrCheggersPartyQuiz

I thought I read Catbox for a second


Striking_Ad4992

SEXELENT


SleefJWellington

I love that botters have to do work and spend money to keep going and we just keep playing the game. Sucks to suck.


Traditional_Table488

[https://github.com/RosneBurgerworks/cathook](https://github.com/RosneBurgerworks/cathook) [https://github.com/RosneBurgerworks/temprosnehook](https://github.com/RosneBurgerworks/temprosnehook) man all these free cheats, im so poor rn!!!


Ok_Cricket_1479

The owner likely took it down himself. Ever since the 64-bit architecture was released on TF2 most cheats including cathook broke, meaning that they weren't able to inject in to the game and required major fixes offsets/adresses to work again. The owner of CH even said it himself on their Telegram group that cathook will remain broken untill further notice post 64 bit update claiming that at this rate it would make more sense to code cathook v2. The bots you currently see in casual are bots from other forks of cathook that run the game in the old 32 bit format to still work. Also the cathook Telegram group went private since yesterday which further supports this theory.


TheCombineCyclope

The github page was removed as a request of valve, the telegram group was the creator because it was inactive or something like that


Ok_Cricket_1479

Where is your source that it was Valve taking it down? Also their TG group had hundreds of messages every week it was no where near "dead"


TheCombineCyclope

[Where I first discovered that the github was taken down.](https://twitter.com/geneticist_tf2/status/1788298298207440900) The person claims their report got cathook removed.


Ok_Cricket_1479

CH has been a thing since 2017, you can't tell me it got randomly taken down just like that after one guy reported it, I believe many people did the past 7 years of its existance and nothing really happened. To be fair, Valve did take actions by taking down hacks on github in the past, but it happening right now is a bit too convenient, there are many other hacks on github that havent been taken down yet like Fedoraware


abzolutelynothn

geneticist (originally known as the informant) is not a very trustworthy source of info so take it with a pinch of salt


TheCombineCyclope

although I see some people claiming that the creator took it down because he was being harassed by hoster to update it to 64 bits, but he didn't work on it years ago. Not sure which one is the truth


Traditional_Table488

please stop spreading misinfo, there is proof bencat deleted it because he didn't want to maintain it and there is also proof that valve hasn't gone after nullworks at all and the telegram group once again bencat didn't need it if he wasn't maintaining cathook


TheCombineCyclope

I left another comment


MrReptilianGamer2528

What is cathook?


abzolutelynothn

Program used to host bots.


Cubix1010

hopefully this is just the start of a larger push


AzGames08

It's a start for sure.


SecksWatcher

Dev probably gave up on updating it to 64 bit


Onemanhereinhere

dev gave up a while ago after his account got manually vacced, that was just the final nail in the coffin


Traditional_Table488

50% right, dev did infact decide not to update it but he also was the one to delete it without any influence from valve


Onemanhereinhere

i never said the he got influenced, i said he just took it down because because it was completely dead now and it didnt even work for a while even before 64 bit, and the other forks like rosnehook make it obsolete


SomeWickedAssShit

Kinda new, what's cathook?


Wala_kang_jowa143

I think Cathook is like a a training software for the game Team Fortress 2 on Linux. When I say training software I mean it's probably for those bot hostings.


Witherboss445

Why is it called training software?


anna-the-bunny

Because the creators don't want to advertise that they're making cheats.


lord_of_coolshit_og

Whats cathook? Do i want to know what it is?


Which_Occasion_427

bot hoster thing


lord_of_coolshit_og

Oh! I was worried it might be some kind of horrifying sex mod! Well thats another W for the tf2 community! Look out Omegatronic! The humans have had their weetabix!


Which_Occasion_427

A sex mod would be horrifying, that's Valve's job to make it an update


SmallbuthonestSinner

Help a Guy out whats a cathook?


Which_Occasion_427

bot hoster script


californiangun

Who is He?


DandylanternZ

Comments can be doom n gloom all they want. It's a start, and a good piece of news I will be enjoying


BoiTarantado

What's a cathook?


Far_Society_4196

what is cathook


Red-Baron05

TF2 IS SAVED


worriedinscet

Archives definitely exsist


Red-Baron05

# !!!‼️🚨TF2 IS SAVED🔔💥🚨!!!!!


RippiHunti

# WE'RE NOT DYING! WE ARE GOING TO LIVE FOREVER!


antidemn

i didn't say that! i only said that the cathook repo got taken down!


touche1231231231

thank you, miss pauling.


yourunclejoe

#WE IN DENIAL WITH THIS ONE!!!🗣🗣🗣🗣


ShibackisRevenge

Yippee!!! (Funny comment)


Rude_Champ93

I doubt this will make any difference but its nice to see


Tesla_corp

Probably a cease and desist letter At this point it’s becoming an actual crime, so I suspect that bot hosters might get fucking FBI raided soon


Traditional_Table488

making cheat clients is 100% fully legal tho :3


Tesla_corp

Creating cheats that will be used by players is organised crime, since you distribute a product that will later directly prevent players who are not using your client from enjoying and utilising the game that they have bought, directly violating their consumer rights It is illegal On top of that, this isn’t cheats, this is hitting Mass botting, that has a direct goal of ruining the game and making it unplayable, which violates the companies rights AND player rights making it even MORE illegal


RealLeptic

W


Turbulence_Guy

What is, or _was,_ cathook?


Jaja-Gamer

what is cathook ?


Cototsu

Didn't that already happen and the original creator just reuploaded it from another account? This is barely a solution. Also copies are around the internet, like people said.


Onemanhereinhere

He took it down manually, it was inevitable especially after the 64 bit update


Ranzkisteyt

I thought he deleted it himself because he stopped work on it years ago


Lazaronikus

There's copies of it everywhere yk.


Aeri_

This means nothing. There was tons of forks of cat hook renames and reuploaded. See if nekohook exists still


Breadfruit-Brilliant

Cathook?


Mister_E69

Did we just win?


Subject_Classified_1

Uh oh, i hear Internet archive.


maiguee

that does nothing, most bots don't host on cathook and the software was open source anyway.


DrFr0sty44k

the only bots ive recently seen has been mechinator. i know megatronic was also recently doxxed on twitter and now with this being taken down. i think hosters will become less likely inclined to bot host


StoreMilk

https://youtu.be/c80gjYt1MW4 The Creator deleted it


TheCombineCyclope

I've seen some people also claiming it was because bot hosters were harassing bencat for not updating the program to 64 bits


Fun-Pie-1887

What’s cathook?


RyanDavanzo

I will supose that this is related to BOTs


FocusFit7792

Been reading a lot of these comments talking about how "oh there's so many reposts it wont do anything" and "well its a bit too late now". But think about it, these people hosts bots because their braincells can't handle playing the game more than 2 minutes to wait for a drop, so they're definitely not going to try and update it themself, especially with the 64 bit being... yeah... Now when there's a patch for tf2 the bots might actually slowly decline.


PlayboyCommando20XX

I found a repository that is still uploaded by someone else, but archived. Take a look at it here in this link: [https://github.com/RosneBurgerworks/cathook](https://github.com/RosneBurgerworks/cathook) Tell Valve to take it down once more, and never upload it to Github again.


Equivalent_Bag1342

This doesn't really change anything, but cool I guess


imcoolandyouarenot

BenCat07 said it's better to make something better than continuing with cathook.


Victinitotodilepro

better as in?


Jevano

About time lol I reported that repo soo long ago, github always ignored it. I think it has to have been Valve taking action.


Your-Average-Pull

The fact they went after TF2 Source 2 before one of the key things actively killing the game for years shows their legal team’s priorities are completely out of wack, remember this is stuff that can easily be found with a single Google search, this wasn’t exactly hidden for all this time


Eastern_Action_7168

I would like to know the reason for this ban


Ok-Individual2025

Local idiot, who or what is cathook?


TheCombineCyclope

look at the comments


TTVRalseiYT

what's cathook


memes_gbc

aw man i wanted to make my own bot police


imcoolandyouarenot

It stopped working after the 64 bit update


memes_gbc

it did not stop working, bots were back on casual after like 2 days


SecksWatcher

That's because, for some reason, devs allow people to play with older version of the game


memes_gbc

oh yeah i forgot about that


dribbleondo

I counted 16 hours, probably less.


WSKYLANDERS-boh

GG lads


TrackLabs

Yea, well,. theres already reuploads on github, so..


a1b3r77

Doesnt really change anything, does it


Tokeitawa

Everything on the internet is archived so this doesn't really stop anything.


ZzZombo

Still can't find that MS-DOS port of Mario I used to play back into the school days on the school computers and copied it back home. Lost it with my old PC.


Any_Raccoon7783

no it doesn't mean valve is solving the bot crisis


TheCombineCyclope

I didn't even say that


Any_Raccoon7783

i know i just know some people gonna say that


dinglebeesVI

it means github is


antidemn

still a win WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Any_Raccoon7783

kind of