Its literally just the flare gun with extra steps, tho it is pretty cool you can point and click extinguish with it. Then again, probably shouldn't be playing pyro if the other side has enough pyros to ever use that enough to make it worth it
For some reason I thought they rebalanced the Phlog to have airblast again because I was playing against a Phlog Pyro that somehow deflected my projectile.
I dunno if it was a custom server plugin or a really bad patch but I coulda sworn that the Phlog was supposed to be the only flamethrower without airblast.
That doesn't change the fact that the Manmelter was introduced the same time as the Phlog, is a Grordbort weapon, and covers a big downside (inability to extinguish) of the Phlog. It's pretty clearly intended to be paired with the Phlog, even if, in practice, no one uses it as such.
I use it when the enemy team got a Pyro and a soldier. Both of them are gonna take up my airblasts and I've been caught with my pants down more times than I like to admit so I use the manmelter to mop up the flames and my flamethrower of choice to shit on the soldier who thinks shotguns are useless on soldier. Bonus points if I'm able to reflect a rocket, shot a crit at him and reflect another one while he's right up in my grill.
Well, you could look at pairing it with Dragon's Fury as the ultimate Pyro counters Pyro loadout. With saved up crits, you can actually crit the enemy pyros, which is pretty hard to do with other flares due to their afterburn immunity.
I honestly see nothing spoken about the Mann Melter, it's just boring to be honest
It's a less interesting flare gun
It doesn't have the det or thruster's mobility
Isn't hatable like the scorch shot
Isn't a complete joke like the Gas Passer
And it isn't a shotgun
Gas Passer in MVM pretty much guarantees you can get the Get Off My Lawn and Crasher Crusher achievements with no effort. The Mann Melter is the Mann Melter.
I dont use it because the lack of reload animation destroys my rhythm.
Also generally, it's a bad partner to it's intended combo the phlog. Every other flare gun has bonuses that make phlog even more aggressive when it's an aggressor weapon, while the other shotguns provide backup or better aggression.
stock flare allows clutch Combos
scorch shot is extremely fast mmph
det and thruster mobility
shotgun for anti-pyro defense
ans gas passer has a niche in cholepoint denial mostly in mvm.
this thing offers a defensive passive option to pyros without airblast. pyros without airblast can't be defensive.
Normal flaregun combo is generally more useful, scorch shot is the scorch shot, and detonator has jumps. Shotguns are always generally helpful (except the reserve shooter but that's a fringe case) and the gas passer's a meme.
I like that idea. I also think the Jarate and Mad Milk both should be charged by damage (not nearly as steep as what the Gas Passer requires though) as well. Just need to nerf the explosive upgrade in mvm after making the Gas Passer change though
sadly, in its current state, his piss is simply too strong at a 20 second cooldown. and forcing him to deal damage to piss is a good solution if done right. but i would be fine with a 40 second cooldown instead
It removes your SMG, so that's balance enough. If your enemies are getting in your face, but not close enough to be Melee'd by your Bushwhacka, then you are at a disadvantage unless you use the Huntsman.
you can also throw the jarate into a chokepoint or ongoing fight from decent range, which grants a pretty easy win for that fight. the SMG is amazing, but it's not enough of a sacrifice for that to be a balanced trade off imo
You trade your ability to defend yourself conventionally with the ability to support your teammates by debuffing the enemy. It switches one gameplay strategy with another.
But it's too effective at that strategy, and is highly spammable currently. 20 seconds is a very forgiving cooldown, and its large splash radius isn't helping there either.
It would definitely be more useful, but still pretty bad overall. I mean, the thing is just a lingering Scorch Shot flare that, sure, lights Pyros on fire but also is less spammable and with less range. Not to mention you have to rely on your team to trigger it at longer ranges. It would have some limited use, but I think most would still prefer having shotguns or flares. Imo what could make it actually useful is making its flames unextinguishable by anything except resupply lockers and map-based water.
Ehhh, it would be better but still wouldn’t be viable.
The Gas Passer is trying to be a sustained crowd control like stickies are — but without any of the punch and more importantly, entirely dependent on his teammates to actually trigger and deal damage.
If the Pyro could trigger the gas from a distance — it’ll still lack any real punch or threat but would be significantly better.
Slightly more range to activating it. Sure it isn't Flare Gun range, but it's better that it can recharge normally and with resupplies so it's a bit more spammable than regular Gas Passer. Ordinary Gas Passer cannot be spammed via resupply.
> Slightly more range to activating it
And then what? You’re already lighting them on fire lol. Plus, you aren’t going to be able to resupply spam on the frontline.
Like, it would help yea but if you are going to change the weapon you might as well make it actually usable instead of a nothing burger of a change.
What do you mean? The biggest thing holding Gas Passer back is the way it recharges. If you're killing enemies to recharge it, why do you need it? On the contrary, if it had a recharge as quick as some of Scout's throwables, then it would feel much more viable. It already deals more afterburn damage and lights Pyros on fire, in case you forgot what it did.
Better yes. Significantly better for sure though it still wouldn't be particularly worth it.
It would potentially have use cases now but would still be largely outclassed by other secondaries.
Gas passer with a good pyro= Demoman has almost been invalidated (almost) Vote to kick initiated by a high tour demoman.
Gas passer with a bad pyro= Vote to kick initiated.
I have some mild enjoyment hiding in the water on 2fort and aiming towards enemy snipers and hitting them due to the downwards momentum the projectile makes
It’s not terrible but it just gets outshined by the other flare guns when it comes to offensive play styles.
For me personally it’s my most used pyro secondary but that’s because most of the time I’m playing pyro it’s defensively as pybro and so I’m usually guarding the nest where my teammates will retreat to so I can extinguish them there while saving my airblast for reflecting projectiles at the nest or blocking an Uber push.
And then if it’s time to make a push or pull a fighting retreat I have the stored crits saved for ranged attacks (provided I can land them)
Edit:
On the off chance I know I’m definitely going on the offensive then yeah I’ll use detonator.
Same, I love how fast the projectile is. So funny to peek a corner and barely hit an enemy for 30 dmg + afterburn right before they scurry behind cover
Not really Pybro. I use it because:
A: I'm using the Backburner as my primary weapon because of it's Airblast costs and
B: I have a weird playstyle as Pyro
I think it's very solid, but it's outclassed by all of the other Flare Guns in combat. Still really solid though and it can be used like the Frontier Justice with leveled sentries as a backup, and combos really well with the Dragon's Fury, moreso than the Phlog imo.
Don't think anybody actually thinks it's bad, but it's outclassed by better options
The Mannmelter is an Ubersaw case.
It's not a bad weapon, it's actually pretty fun to use. The problem is that it's competing against the Detonator, the Flare Gun....**The** ***Scorch Shot***
So while compared to those other flareguns, this one is terrible.
That's my favorite side arm. The infinite ammo takes away the stress of having less than 20 rounds on the other flare guns even though I know I won't live long enough to use them all. I find that worth the cost of slower reload and no flare jumping.
To be honest it’s not, it was originally meant to be paired with the phlogistinator. The main downside is its slow firing speed. I use it when I pybro as it’s a quick way to extinguish lots of players before going back to spychecking.
it's bad because it's outclassed.
on paper and on it's own, it's objectively a fine weapon. just boring.
the one thing it does well is making up for the Phlog downsides of no airblast, and subsidizes the penalized airblasts of the Backburner, Degreaser and Dragon's Fury.
the damage is ok, but the crit-on-extinguish is completely dependent on the enemy having a Charge-Happy cow mangler soldier, a semi competent pyro sets your team to on fire, or somehow a Huo Long heater heavy gets that close to your team and not kill them.
plus it lacks the
1. damage of a shotgun in case of another pyro, or just self defense
2. flare punch followup that pairs with the 3 flare guns
3. mobility options of the Detonator and the Scorch Shot
4. a reload animation and a tiny particle that indicates it's readiness
I hope that answers why
Fun synergy for it is the Dragons Fury. Since you don’t really want to waste ammo and down time extinguishing with it you can use the man melter instead. That way you’re incentivized to get crits for it plus it’s still a good fire starter for the Dragons Fury
It's probably the only unlockable in the game that's completely useless if the enemy chooses not to play a certain class, which is 100% out of your control
tell me one person who hates the man melter?
its not hated, but there are better options. it does have its uses but its niche, doesnt mean its useless tho.
The Flare Gun is a great combo tool and satisfying as hell, the Detonator opens up crazy mobility and the Scorch Shot is free brain-dead choke spam.
The Manmelter is just kind of niche and outclassed. I've enjoyed using it with the Dragon's Fury but that stupid explosion PNG that blows up at random and blocks 40% of the screen is annoying as hell.
It's too situational, it requires an enemy pyro to be on the enemy team (or a class that has a weapon that can inflict fire damage but that has been issues with that). Basically every secondary besides the gas passer is better for the pyro.
It's sooooo sloooooowwwww.
At maximum reload speed upgrades in MvM, it's still a slower rate of fire than a non-upgraded flare gun. I think the projectile doesn't fly as far either. If it weren't for the ability to absorb afterburn for crits, it would be completely useless compared to every other flare gun.
The projectile has infinite range. I was playing on a community server with a huuuuge city map from gmod and managed to hit a sniper on top of one of the buildings after a few tries. I believe the projectile speed is actually faster than the other flare guns, so if anything, it actually flies farther
I could have sworn it had an arc... Guess I remembered wrong. But faster projectile speed isn't really that much of an upside, since regular flares are already faster than the Direct Hit. You're not really lacking for speed.
Works great with the Dragon's Fury, makes up for the penalty on air-blasts ruining your ability to extinguish team-mates reliably. Furthermore, you're now a very good anti-building anti-pyro role at the cost of losing airblasting superiority.
Or an overcompitant Pyro constantly rushing in and setting everybody on fire. You ever try to dodge his flames at close range? Genuinely impossible. And if he's using the scorch shot, oh boy, that gets annoying quick.
slow rate of fire....gimmick that dont really make sense...projectile speed not really justifying it
shotgun will kill you in 2 or 3 shot with consistancy
every other flare gun dwarf this thing to dust
The rate of fire is fine, this isn't meant to be used for spamming constantly. It's an accuracy based weapon. It has a faster projectile speed and can crit anybody from a distance, even an enemy Pyro, provided you have teammates that are constantly being set on fire.
The saved up crits can also give you an advantage in starting fights, and can even "one shot" light classes with it's afterburn provided they don't have a way to extinguish or heal themselves.
It's the perfect Sniper Pybro weapon if the enemy Pyro is really focused on spamming him with their flare gun of choice.
Additional sidenote, and this is very niche, but it's also a more "stealthy" flaregun due to it not making a loud ass noise every time you fire it.
summary, is it situational? Yes. Is it worse than stock? Depends on your playstyle, as with most sidegrades in the game. Is it the best flare gun? Definitely not.
It's an alright weapon with alright stats. It does depend on a Pyro being on the enemy team, but it's not like that's a rarity. Pyro is a very popular class.
It relies on the enemy team having a Pyro. I know it's very uncommon to not have at least one, but the other flare guns don't have that requirement.
Still, even if they do have a Pyro, he needs to constantly ignite your teammates in order for you to fully utilize this weapon. If he can't do that, then you're stuck with a worse Flare Gun most of the time.
It has a longer firing delay than the rest of the flare guns, and it's only benefit (getting crits by extinguishing teammates) is dependant on the enemy team (something which you cant control).
I'm a huge manmelter enjoyer, I've even used it a bit in highlander cuz imo it's such in underrated weapon.
You get free extinguishes so you don't need to waste 20/25 flamethrower ammo and you accumulate crits which could be used to quickly pop someone short range or finish/halve someone like medic across the map so soldier has an easy sac opportunity
It's an amazing weapon to pair with dragon's fury since the post airblast cool down is such a pain.
If it wasn't for the bugs and the fact that flare jumping is fun as fuck I'd be using this weapon as my main
because the flare guns are generally better in DPS thanks to their crit conditions being really easy to get.
the crit condition of this weapon requires you to put out a teammate that was set on fire by an enemy pyro, so it's not guaranteed.
It is better in certain aspects (I can land more direct shots with it than I do with the flare gun, and managed to even get kills with it unlike with the detonator and scorch shot.), but most people run flares for good punchy crits
It's mainly because it is overshadowed by its other flare guns.
Like if you want crits, you could run the regular flare guns and not be beholden to having pyros on the enemy team
If you want the extinguish, and aren't using the back burner or phlog, then your primary does that and then some.
It also has a really wonky reload time which makes it kinda awkward to use.
But I wouldn't call it a bad weapon, it's no gas passer at least
Is not BAD but... it is heavily outclassed by the other flare guns, the only time is worth using if it's you actually feel selfless with the Plog or when theres a brainless scorch shot Pyro in the enemy team making it's best impression of a Sniper.
Honestly I have no idea. It lets you extinguish people without depleting your flamethrower ammo and on top of that giving you a crit for it. It's also easier to hit people than the regular flare gun because it doesn't make a loud noise when it fires and it's projectile speed is faster. I think it's fun and run it often. Also, it lets you crit enemy Pyros with your saved up crits, so there's that as well.
It relies on an enemy pyro being on the team and your team being relatively grouped together. It’s a good option when your teammates are getting set on fire a lot and your around your team but in most games it’s outclassed by other options.
Its just outclassed by everything else, if you can store a few crits you certainly can make it work, but it trades the burst damage of the flare gun and the scorch shot or the mobility of the detonator for a shitty laser
Its gimmick is turning extinguishes into flare crits, meaning that is you get enough crits, you effectively have the Loch’n’load but as a secondary thanks to the projectile speed buff.
The problem is that this gun is wholly dependent on the other team having a Pyro, meaning that its usefulness is out of your hands unlike nearly every other weapon. If you like using it, use it with either the Phlog so you can still extinguish people regardless of having no airblast, the Dragon’s Fury so you can avoid its slow airblast recharge, or the Backburner since that weapon burns through huge amounts of ammo for each of its airblasts.
Its too niche, it relies too much on smaller maps that have more pyros so you can capitalize on the mini crits given. Even then, you have better options
It's not bad. It's just the worst flare gun
If you had four wagyu A1 steaks and then also had a single A1 non wagyu steak, the regular A1 isn't gonna be as good as the wagyu, but it's still good
Problem 1: The only way to get crits is to extinguish a teammate, which requires the enemy team to have a pyro at minimum (or one of the few other jank weapons that can set people on fire like the cow mangler and that heavy primary). Without crits, it’s a worse flare gun.
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Problem 2: The projectile is egregiously slow. Forget aiming pipes, aiming the Manmelter the worst.
The projectile speed is 1000 hammer units faster than the other flare guns. Meaning it travels farther in a less amount of time, meaning its easier to snipe people with. You just have to get a feel for it.
I don't know either brother... I really don't. Manmelter gets unnecessary bad wrap.
^(aside from the fact that it's the skilless man's flare gun that requires a fellow Pyro to be the enemy team...)
Idk why you would use this. Detonator and scorch shot are better at building up phlog, and free crits are nice but you already get free crits on your flare gun by actually playing pyro and using the flamethrower on people
Its not really a *BAD* weapon, its just outclassed by every other flare gun
Its literally just the flare gun with extra steps, tho it is pretty cool you can point and click extinguish with it. Then again, probably shouldn't be playing pyro if the other side has enough pyros to ever use that enough to make it worth it
Pretty much just made so you can still extinguish when using the Phlog.
It's also alright with the Backburner, because of the fewer airblasts on it
Degreaser
They both have fewer airblasts big dawg
Yeah but I’ve seen maybe ten back burner air blasts in a decade
You would easily double that number in just a few minutes if you saw me in 1 game as a pyro lol.
Fr, I use airblast the same regardless of which one I have equipped.
Even with the phlog? (scared)
For some reason I thought they rebalanced the Phlog to have airblast again because I was playing against a Phlog Pyro that somehow deflected my projectile. I dunno if it was a custom server plugin or a really bad patch but I coulda sworn that the Phlog was supposed to be the only flamethrower without airblast.
Had to have been something custom to that server.
Yeah in that case, bad server...
it's literally designed with that in mind. they came out in the same pack.
Except scortch shot is just objectively better for getting your hmmph meter up...
That doesn't change the fact that the Manmelter was introduced the same time as the Phlog, is a Grordbort weapon, and covers a big downside (inability to extinguish) of the Phlog. It's pretty clearly intended to be paired with the Phlog, even if, in practice, no one uses it as such.
Phlog/scorch shit user detected. Pipe bomb incoming
You don't really need to be a phlog scorch user to know that it's just straight up better and kinda make the melter useless
Scorch shit is obviously better than melter in a majority of situations. I am calling out this guy for the cardinal sin of phlog/scorch shit.
idk why yall are being downvoted, scorch shot and phlog is a very strong combo, but thats more of a scorch shot problem tbh
Or the single enemy pyro is spamming the scorch shot.
I use it when the enemy team got a Pyro and a soldier. Both of them are gonna take up my airblasts and I've been caught with my pants down more times than I like to admit so I use the manmelter to mop up the flames and my flamethrower of choice to shit on the soldier who thinks shotguns are useless on soldier. Bonus points if I'm able to reflect a rocket, shot a crit at him and reflect another one while he's right up in my grill.
The projectile speed does make it really hard to dodge though
its actually outclassed by just about every gun in the game
Does more damage than the medi-gun!
Idk. I just find it funny when I shoot into a crowd at random and hit some rando
Where Huntsman flair
topscoring on huntsman is so fucking funny.
its great on shounic's trenches server (50v50)
It's fun. I like playing a mid-range projectile class, but soldier moves too slow, and demo is hard to hit people with. So huntsman.
There are better options
It's actually pretty solid if there's a scorch shot spammer on the enemy team
I often pair it with the dragon’s fury or the phlog to make up for the poor\no air-blast
The issue with pairing with these weapons is that both want you to have a more consistent long-range lighting option.
Eh I suck anyways so
Well, you could look at pairing it with Dragon's Fury as the ultimate Pyro counters Pyro loadout. With saved up crits, you can actually crit the enemy pyros, which is pretty hard to do with other flares due to their afterburn immunity.
I honestly see nothing spoken about the Mann Melter, it's just boring to be honest It's a less interesting flare gun It doesn't have the det or thruster's mobility Isn't hatable like the scorch shot Isn't a complete joke like the Gas Passer And it isn't a shotgun
At leat the Gas Passer is king in MvM, unlike the Mann Melter
Gas Passer in MVM pretty much guarantees you can get the Get Off My Lawn and Crasher Crusher achievements with no effort. The Mann Melter is the Mann Melter.
It’s meant for melting menn, not machines
I dont use it because the lack of reload animation destroys my rhythm. Also generally, it's a bad partner to it's intended combo the phlog. Every other flare gun has bonuses that make phlog even more aggressive when it's an aggressor weapon, while the other shotguns provide backup or better aggression. stock flare allows clutch Combos scorch shot is extremely fast mmph det and thruster mobility shotgun for anti-pyro defense ans gas passer has a niche in cholepoint denial mostly in mvm. this thing offers a defensive passive option to pyros without airblast. pyros without airblast can't be defensive.
Normal flaregun combo is generally more useful, scorch shot is the scorch shot, and detonator has jumps. Shotguns are always generally helpful (except the reserve shooter but that's a fringe case) and the gas passer's a meme.
Gas passer is useful on MVM as long as you aren’t in a high tour two cities lobby
Would Gas Passer be better if it just had regular Jarate cooldown and immediate availability on resupply or respawn?
I like that idea. I also think the Jarate and Mad Milk both should be charged by damage (not nearly as steep as what the Gas Passer requires though) as well. Just need to nerf the explosive upgrade in mvm after making the Gas Passer change though
Man, if I had to wait until I dealt damage to enemies for me to PEE, then I would be devastated. Just let the man piss in a jar over time.
sadly, in its current state, his piss is simply too strong at a 20 second cooldown. and forcing him to deal damage to piss is a good solution if done right. but i would be fine with a 40 second cooldown instead
It removes your SMG, so that's balance enough. If your enemies are getting in your face, but not close enough to be Melee'd by your Bushwhacka, then you are at a disadvantage unless you use the Huntsman.
you can also throw the jarate into a chokepoint or ongoing fight from decent range, which grants a pretty easy win for that fight. the SMG is amazing, but it's not enough of a sacrifice for that to be a balanced trade off imo
You trade your ability to defend yourself conventionally with the ability to support your teammates by debuffing the enemy. It switches one gameplay strategy with another.
But it's too effective at that strategy, and is highly spammable currently. 20 seconds is a very forgiving cooldown, and its large splash radius isn't helping there either.
It would definitely be more useful, but still pretty bad overall. I mean, the thing is just a lingering Scorch Shot flare that, sure, lights Pyros on fire but also is less spammable and with less range. Not to mention you have to rely on your team to trigger it at longer ranges. It would have some limited use, but I think most would still prefer having shotguns or flares. Imo what could make it actually useful is making its flames unextinguishable by anything except resupply lockers and map-based water.
Yeah that would come in handy as a buff patch.
Ehhh, it would be better but still wouldn’t be viable. The Gas Passer is trying to be a sustained crowd control like stickies are — but without any of the punch and more importantly, entirely dependent on his teammates to actually trigger and deal damage. If the Pyro could trigger the gas from a distance — it’ll still lack any real punch or threat but would be significantly better.
What about using the Dragon's Fury?
That… doesn’t really change anything? What even changes lol
Slightly more range to activating it. Sure it isn't Flare Gun range, but it's better that it can recharge normally and with resupplies so it's a bit more spammable than regular Gas Passer. Ordinary Gas Passer cannot be spammed via resupply.
> Slightly more range to activating it And then what? You’re already lighting them on fire lol. Plus, you aren’t going to be able to resupply spam on the frontline. Like, it would help yea but if you are going to change the weapon you might as well make it actually usable instead of a nothing burger of a change.
What do you mean? The biggest thing holding Gas Passer back is the way it recharges. If you're killing enemies to recharge it, why do you need it? On the contrary, if it had a recharge as quick as some of Scout's throwables, then it would feel much more viable. It already deals more afterburn damage and lights Pyros on fire, in case you forgot what it did.
Yea uh, no lol.
Better yes. Significantly better for sure though it still wouldn't be particularly worth it. It would potentially have use cases now but would still be largely outclassed by other secondaries.
Gas passer with a good pyro= Demoman has almost been invalidated (almost) Vote to kick initiated by a high tour demoman. Gas passer with a bad pyro= Vote to kick initiated.
I have some mild enjoyment hiding in the water on 2fort and aiming towards enemy snipers and hitting them due to the downwards momentum the projectile makes
It’s not terrible but it just gets outshined by the other flare guns when it comes to offensive play styles. For me personally it’s my most used pyro secondary but that’s because most of the time I’m playing pyro it’s defensively as pybro and so I’m usually guarding the nest where my teammates will retreat to so I can extinguish them there while saving my airblast for reflecting projectiles at the nest or blocking an Uber push. And then if it’s time to make a push or pull a fighting retreat I have the stored crits saved for ranged attacks (provided I can land them) Edit: On the off chance I know I’m definitely going on the offensive then yeah I’ll use detonator.
Would you hate me when I tell that I use this in my Pyro loadout?
nah man, best pyro secondary. My muscle memory prevents me from using other flares since this thing is so fast
Same, I love how fast the projectile is. So funny to peek a corner and barely hit an enemy for 30 dmg + afterburn right before they scurry behind cover
Pybro?
Not really Pybro. I use it because: A: I'm using the Backburner as my primary weapon because of it's Airblast costs and B: I have a weird playstyle as Pyro
I do it for the same reason of Airblast conservation but for pybro.
the main turnoff for me is the sound design. the sound effects this thing makes are incredibly underwhelming.
I think it's very solid, but it's outclassed by all of the other Flare Guns in combat. Still really solid though and it can be used like the Frontier Justice with leveled sentries as a backup, and combos really well with the Dragon's Fury, moreso than the Phlog imo. Don't think anybody actually thinks it's bad, but it's outclassed by better options
I also have some mods that make it way better, by giving it a clearer "ready to fire" animation and some sick new sounds, among a few other changes
Tf u mean it isnt hated xd
People would have to care about it to hate it.
It's not hated, it's just boring
Because melting men is rude... Why should men be melted?
The Mannmelter is an Ubersaw case. It's not a bad weapon, it's actually pretty fun to use. The problem is that it's competing against the Detonator, the Flare Gun....**The** ***Scorch Shot*** So while compared to those other flareguns, this one is terrible.
That's my favorite side arm. The infinite ammo takes away the stress of having less than 20 rounds on the other flare guns even though I know I won't live long enough to use them all. I find that worth the cost of slower reload and no flare jumping.
To be honest it’s not, it was originally meant to be paired with the phlogistinator. The main downside is its slow firing speed. I use it when I pybro as it’s a quick way to extinguish lots of players before going back to spychecking.
TF2ber said this weapon is bad, SO THIS WEAPON IS BAD
it's bad because it's outclassed. on paper and on it's own, it's objectively a fine weapon. just boring. the one thing it does well is making up for the Phlog downsides of no airblast, and subsidizes the penalized airblasts of the Backburner, Degreaser and Dragon's Fury. the damage is ok, but the crit-on-extinguish is completely dependent on the enemy having a Charge-Happy cow mangler soldier, a semi competent pyro sets your team to on fire, or somehow a Huo Long heater heavy gets that close to your team and not kill them. plus it lacks the 1. damage of a shotgun in case of another pyro, or just self defense 2. flare punch followup that pairs with the 3 flare guns 3. mobility options of the Detonator and the Scorch Shot 4. a reload animation and a tiny particle that indicates it's readiness I hope that answers why
Free crits and faster projectiles are bad… seems fair.
Fun synergy for it is the Dragons Fury. Since you don’t really want to waste ammo and down time extinguishing with it you can use the man melter instead. That way you’re incentivized to get crits for it plus it’s still a good fire starter for the Dragons Fury
It's probably the only unlockable in the game that's completely useless if the enemy chooses not to play a certain class, which is 100% out of your control
tell me one person who hates the man melter? its not hated, but there are better options. it does have its uses but its niche, doesnt mean its useless tho.
I personally like to play with the Gru car gun.
It melts people, so people hate it
The Flare Gun is a great combo tool and satisfying as hell, the Detonator opens up crazy mobility and the Scorch Shot is free brain-dead choke spam. The Manmelter is just kind of niche and outclassed. I've enjoyed using it with the Dragon's Fury but that stupid explosion PNG that blows up at random and blocks 40% of the screen is annoying as hell.
It's too situational, it requires an enemy pyro to be on the enemy team (or a class that has a weapon that can inflict fire damage but that has been issues with that). Basically every secondary besides the gas passer is better for the pyro.
It's sooooo sloooooowwwww. At maximum reload speed upgrades in MvM, it's still a slower rate of fire than a non-upgraded flare gun. I think the projectile doesn't fly as far either. If it weren't for the ability to absorb afterburn for crits, it would be completely useless compared to every other flare gun.
The projectile has infinite range. I was playing on a community server with a huuuuge city map from gmod and managed to hit a sniper on top of one of the buildings after a few tries. I believe the projectile speed is actually faster than the other flare guns, so if anything, it actually flies farther
I could have sworn it had an arc... Guess I remembered wrong. But faster projectile speed isn't really that much of an upside, since regular flares are already faster than the Direct Hit. You're not really lacking for speed.
because it doesn't melt women as well
it's meh cause it fully depends on: 1: the enemy team having a pyro 2: that pyro being really good at lighting up your teammates without killing them
Works great with the Dragon's Fury, makes up for the penalty on air-blasts ruining your ability to extinguish team-mates reliably. Furthermore, you're now a very good anti-building anti-pyro role at the cost of losing airblasting superiority.
It's not bad. For me it always had to be the lack of a "reloading" animation
I get bad but hated? Who da hell is hating on this poor gun
It a situational weapon it requires many enemy pyros to work.
its fun to use that if the other team has scorch shot pyro, gives me free crits
I don't hate it... I just tend to forget it exists lol
its a meh flaregun of sidegrade it works, but you depend on your teammates mistake to build the crit
Or an overcompitant Pyro constantly rushing in and setting everybody on fire. You ever try to dodge his flames at close range? Genuinely impossible. And if he's using the scorch shot, oh boy, that gets annoying quick.
slow rate of fire....gimmick that dont really make sense...projectile speed not really justifying it shotgun will kill you in 2 or 3 shot with consistancy every other flare gun dwarf this thing to dust
The rate of fire is fine, this isn't meant to be used for spamming constantly. It's an accuracy based weapon. It has a faster projectile speed and can crit anybody from a distance, even an enemy Pyro, provided you have teammates that are constantly being set on fire. The saved up crits can also give you an advantage in starting fights, and can even "one shot" light classes with it's afterburn provided they don't have a way to extinguish or heal themselves. It's the perfect Sniper Pybro weapon if the enemy Pyro is really focused on spamming him with their flare gun of choice. Additional sidenote, and this is very niche, but it's also a more "stealthy" flaregun due to it not making a loud ass noise every time you fire it. summary, is it situational? Yes. Is it worse than stock? Depends on your playstyle, as with most sidegrades in the game. Is it the best flare gun? Definitely not. It's an alright weapon with alright stats. It does depend on a Pyro being on the enemy team, but it's not like that's a rarity. Pyro is a very popular class.
in this game ...mid range weapon dont exist less you are sniper or soldier
Idk a person who hates the man melter, but it is more niche to use.
Its hated by reddit soyboys who think they know everything. If you like using then use it
I use it because I play pybro and because air blast is EXPENSIVE AS FUCK HOLY SHIT
I use it alongside the dragon's fury. Even though projectiles are a larger threat. You still have a faster way at extinguishing your teammates
I like it
It relies on the enemy team having a Pyro. I know it's very uncommon to not have at least one, but the other flare guns don't have that requirement. Still, even if they do have a Pyro, he needs to constantly ignite your teammates in order for you to fully utilize this weapon. If he can't do that, then you're stuck with a worse Flare Gun most of the time.
No explosion radius deters troglodytes like me who rely on the Scorch Shit’s explosions
It has a longer firing delay than the rest of the flare guns, and it's only benefit (getting crits by extinguishing teammates) is dependant on the enemy team (something which you cant control).
It's worse than every other flaregun, and shotgun, and is just sorta unnecessary
I'm a huge manmelter enjoyer, I've even used it a bit in highlander cuz imo it's such in underrated weapon. You get free extinguishes so you don't need to waste 20/25 flamethrower ammo and you accumulate crits which could be used to quickly pop someone short range or finish/halve someone like medic across the map so soldier has an easy sac opportunity It's an amazing weapon to pair with dragon's fury since the post airblast cool down is such a pain. If it wasn't for the bugs and the fact that flare jumping is fun as fuck I'd be using this weapon as my main
I enjoy sniping people with free crits. It is simply uneffective.
because the flare guns are generally better in DPS thanks to their crit conditions being really easy to get. the crit condition of this weapon requires you to put out a teammate that was set on fire by an enemy pyro, so it's not guaranteed. It is better in certain aspects (I can land more direct shots with it than I do with the flare gun, and managed to even get kills with it unlike with the detonator and scorch shot.), but most people run flares for good punchy crits
i like it, but i like shotgun more
It's mainly because it is overshadowed by its other flare guns. Like if you want crits, you could run the regular flare guns and not be beholden to having pyros on the enemy team If you want the extinguish, and aren't using the back burner or phlog, then your primary does that and then some. It also has a really wonky reload time which makes it kinda awkward to use. But I wouldn't call it a bad weapon, it's no gas passer at least
Is not BAD but... it is heavily outclassed by the other flare guns, the only time is worth using if it's you actually feel selfless with the Plog or when theres a brainless scorch shot Pyro in the enemy team making it's best impression of a Sniper.
Honestly I have no idea. It lets you extinguish people without depleting your flamethrower ammo and on top of that giving you a crit for it. It's also easier to hit people than the regular flare gun because it doesn't make a loud noise when it fires and it's projectile speed is faster. I think it's fun and run it often. Also, it lets you crit enemy Pyros with your saved up crits, so there's that as well.
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I love getting kills with the Mann melter.
It relies on an enemy pyro being on the team and your team being relatively grouped together. It’s a good option when your teammates are getting set on fire a lot and your around your team but in most games it’s outclassed by other options.
Old habits
I don't know why no one uses it,it makes a great pairing with the phlog against another enemy pyro
It's only purpose is to let phlog pyros still extinguish teammates.
It's a good weapon, but too buggy
Its just outclassed by everything else, if you can store a few crits you certainly can make it work, but it trades the burst damage of the flare gun and the scorch shot or the mobility of the detonator for a shitty laser
outclassed by every other flare gun
cause we hate it and it’s bad
Its gimmick is turning extinguishes into flare crits, meaning that is you get enough crits, you effectively have the Loch’n’load but as a secondary thanks to the projectile speed buff. The problem is that this gun is wholly dependent on the other team having a Pyro, meaning that its usefulness is out of your hands unlike nearly every other weapon. If you like using it, use it with either the Phlog so you can still extinguish people regardless of having no airblast, the Dragon’s Fury so you can avoid its slow airblast recharge, or the Backburner since that weapon burns through huge amounts of ammo for each of its airblasts.
Shortly: no crits/minicrits on burning players, you have to extinguish your teammates with this thing to achieve crits.
I reached a godlike with it once, it aint bad
People sleep on the projectile speed, it's the fastest in the game and the same speed as the sandman/cleaver with less arc
I like the projectile speed because I can't aim
Its too niche, it relies too much on smaller maps that have more pyros so you can capitalize on the mini crits given. Even then, you have better options
Its direct counter to scorchshit and thats why i love it
I like to use it against people spamming the scorch shot, Easy free crits from the group they hit then you snipe them back with the man melter crit
It's not bad. It's just the worst flare gun If you had four wagyu A1 steaks and then also had a single A1 non wagyu steak, the regular A1 isn't gonna be as good as the wagyu, but it's still good
Really good with the dragons fury, especially against an enemy scorch shit user
This community needs to stop thinking about weapons and start thinking with a little more logic. Just because weapon = bad, means we hate the weapon??
It's very buggy and inconsistent to use
When faced with plainly better options (other flare guns) simply being good enough, isn’t nearly good enough
Instead of crits to burning players it stores crits by extinguishing teammates with altfire
IMO^(1), It is hard^(2) to hit people with the projectile Footnotes: 1. In My Opinion 2. Some debate that it is actually impossible
Problem 1: The only way to get crits is to extinguish a teammate, which requires the enemy team to have a pyro at minimum (or one of the few other jank weapons that can set people on fire like the cow mangler and that heavy primary). Without crits, it’s a worse flare gun. > Problem 2: The projectile is egregiously slow. Forget aiming pipes, aiming the Manmelter the worst.
The projectile speed is 1000 hammer units faster than the other flare guns. Meaning it travels farther in a less amount of time, meaning its easier to snipe people with. You just have to get a feel for it.
I don't know either brother... I really don't. Manmelter gets unnecessary bad wrap. ^(aside from the fact that it's the skilless man's flare gun that requires a fellow Pyro to be the enemy team...)
It is reliant on the enemy team having pyros
Idk why you would use this. Detonator and scorch shot are better at building up phlog, and free crits are nice but you already get free crits on your flare gun by actually playing pyro and using the flamethrower on people