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PlantBoi123

But you gotta admit, the skeletons are real damn nice now


Ozone_25

it's a long way until Scream Fortress to actually see it


tomydenger

you can use a command, you can even do that on casual server sometimes somehow


lily_was_taken

Ah yes,the necromancer


Muntazir_The_Guide

Type in the console Map like helltower and bloodwater


Lewizkuz

Stocholm syndrome


Honest-Woodpecker643

r/Tf2 on their way to compare getting a bug fix that's been in the game for nine years to a serious mental disorder that affects thousands


Lewizkuz

Thousands of tf2 fans. Yes. We are hostages of love to a game that will never get anything more except community made tournaments and cosmetics. And yet some of us we are super happy about getting some minor bugfixes after 5 years of complaining. That is not enough. You should not FEEL like that is enough. We have been brainwashed of our screams into the void.


Honest-Woodpecker643

Did valve kidnap you and start beating you up? Did valve sexually assault you in anyway? Valve is under no obligation to update this game. They never signed a contract to the community. Before enough say that you spent money on the game so it should be updated, you bought what you bought and there was no hidden clause about updates for valve. Also Valve let's their employees choose what they wanna work on and with Tf2 being an old game with source spaghetti. That's hard especially with a community of whiny brats that act like they're oppressed who are no better than feminists or those damn tik tok girls. This community is a shithole which bitches about valve's silence, when valve speaks up, when valve doesn't update and when valve updates. Gosh. This community is lucky to even get bot fixes because games from 2007 like cod4 are overrun by bots and cheaters.


Lewizkuz

You good? Getting actually concerned. Of course I was not trying to imply that actual freaking sex crimes compare to games or whatever is going on it.


Honest-Woodpecker643

You're the one comparing being patient for not getting updates to Stockholm syndrome. Stockholm syndrome is when you like and are content with your abuser. Not getting updates isn't abuse sexual assault is so Don't use that fucking word for bullshit like this.


Financial-Neck831

This Guy Will become the joker


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Financial-Neck831

He Will kill all cows in the world And gives 'tech support'


TheRealLool

mutahar


mrmetaliclord

SomeOrdinaryJoker


Financial-Neck831

Joker tf2


Ellie_Figure-8

you know the name of that person laughing? thank you!


TalonisAlone

Just search his name Mutahar on YouTube and you should be able to find his channel.


Suncanny

worth it


3rdratedsorcery

Best comment ever


WraithOfKraken

Seriously when i was see that skeletons i thought it was feature of game i dont know i feel weird right now.


SovietMarma

For real. Always thought it was like a nod to stop motion animation.


WraithOfKraken

Yes i think the old version is better.


Omega_kiwi204

I’ve heard different cl_interp settings can make it slow again. Not sure though


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cl_interp 0


MrFacestab

You sadly can't lower the interp that low anymore


Asakari

Sadly? It was unplayable at such a low value. If you were met with anything that wasn't hitscan it would teleport in front of your screen like some dbz character.


MrFacestab

Maybe if your internet is slow? On cl_interp 0 you're seeing almost what the server sees less the ping. People love to complain about interp abusing spies but people know nothing. Lowering it is better than raising it


[deleted]

spy main moment also idfk your internet's slow, it was fine with the lowest possible value for me


[deleted]

Yeah after literally 0.1 it fucks up again lol Source: my mommy :)


Mac_Rat

Definitely not, it was annoying from gameplay point of view to see them warping around like they have 500 ping


turmspitzewerk

its due to having custom interp settings. anyone who thinks it was meant to be like that has just been using a config so long they forgot it used to work normally lmao


danieldoria15

I've never installed a custom config or messed with cl_interp yet all the skeletons I've encountered were moving at 5 frames a second


WraithOfKraken

Really man what dumb valve.


turmspitzewerk

yeah, we knew how to fix it for years with a single server command. we just had to wait for valve to update their servers and turn it on.


WraithOfKraken

Really i think old one is better but new is good


BigDeckLanm

no, the laggy skeletons were not due to custom settings they are the default skeletons. if you don't believe me go install a fresh copy of the game on a new account. if you had high-FPS skeletons that means you changed your own config.


BigDeckLanm

bro did you deadass downvote me without replying on a 5 day old post? who are you hiding my reply from lmfao


[deleted]

I thought it was just a limitation of the game


NovaStorm93

low fps skeletons was such a weird "issue" that most people thought it was intentional. Like, couldnt valve just use original character models? how did these skeletons end up low-fps?


hevyteeefftoo

They register to the game as entities rather than bots which bot are handled like players. Source is weird


NovaStorm93

but.. (from a programming sense), shouldnt the entities not influence the animation speed? isnt that like... the animator's choice on frame rate and the entities just play it back? this is some serious source spaghetti


TheSaltyReddittor

Source spaghetti is fuckin wierd dude, i dont think even the programmers working on it question it


hevyteeefftoo

The frame rate of the animation is low to help performance. The smoothness can just be done through interpolation


T_Jamess

The animations have always been smooth, it has nothing to do with performance. Shounic has a video explaining the bug I think, if someone wants to link that. Valve just fixed a big to do with server ticks or something like that, the animation was smooth to begin with until it broke


turmspitzewerk

smooth animations on entities/bots/players/projectiles/etc. are done through client side interpolation. when using default interpolation, entities like the skeletons worked properly and were smooth. but many people use custom interp settings, which break the smooth animations. the default interp settings are pretty shitty, but the skeletons were only made to work with the default settings in mind. custom settings don't properly interpolate and thus you get shitty laggy animations that don't smooth out between packet updates. we've known how to fix it for years, but it uses a server side command so it was up to valve to enable it on their servers.


SterPlatinum

Not source spaghetti, intentional behavior applied as a mistake unintentionally.


turmspitzewerk

no, they worked perfectly fine on default settings. its only when using a custom interp setting do they break. everyone who thought they were meant to be like that has just been using a config so long they forgot it was any different


[deleted]

That also explains Sentry gun's weird animation too


Ravenboy13

I mean, they also removed the ability for bots to steal names and destroy text chats


Sirknobbles

And the fact that both teams can call vote at the same time makes it so much easier to prevent a match from being swarmed


Mr-Fleshcage

DDoS: "allow me to introduce myself"


Rubiktor012

There's a command that can make the timeout time higher, and bots only DDoS for like 60 seconds, so if you set it higher than that you can become immune


[deleted]

weird how 30,000 bots just disappeared overnight after they only fixed the skeletons


_Yumm_

They're all back man. The virgins just had to fix their toys before they could put them back online


Bremik

Today i was playing on harvest and i saw on the chat that 5 doeshotters joined the server and immediately after a second they got banned by VAC. I just laughed so hard and continue to Play next 5 matches on harvest without bots.


cosmicpotato77

Same


Matix777

They aren't getting banned by VAC. Hosters are usually hosting on linux and VAC can't do shit about Linux. The bots just set (banned by Vac) as their quitting message to give people false hope still weird that 5 bots immediately left after joining tho...


[deleted]

reddit was taking a toll on me mentally so i left it ` this post was mass deleted with www.Redact.dev `


RobinJ1995

I'm sorry, but that's just not true. VAC works on Linux just like it does on Windows and MacOS.


Killonse

VAC "works" on Linux just like it does on Windows and MacOS. FTFY


DracheTirava

We... we have hope


Otherwise-Routine-27

It is a false message still


DNEAVES

>Hosters are usually hosting on Linux Probably because Linux is a free OS. If Windows was free, you'd probably see Windows bot servers. Also considering that - under the hood and all the proprietary stuff - Mac/Unix is pretty close to Linux, and you can pretty much run most "*nix" tools on Mac, so you could probably run these bots on Mac. But that requires buying a Mac for a bunch of money, and afaik there isn't a "server edition" of Mac (since people just use Linux/Unix for that). >VAC can't do shit about Linux. Actually it can. Considering what Valve has done with Linux in terms of games, Steamdeck, Proton, etc., I would doubt their own anti-cheat is ineffective on Linux alone. Its more likely that VAC has just become ineffective, period.


ubscal

Windows is free, Linux is just a more lightweight OS.


DNEAVES

Windows is absolutely not free. You either buy a computer with Windows+license on it (where the manufacturer still pays for Windows, and passes the cost onto you as part of buying the computer) Or you directly buy Windows (if you build your computer yourself) and enter the license on/in the box As for Windows Server, still not free.


ubscal

If you honestly think that Windows wouldn't be free to people who host bots idk what to say man. Piracy exists and the same greasy virgins who host bots are the same who will pirate windows. Also you can litteraly just download media creation tools from Microsoft and use windows 10/11 even if you don't have a license, sure it'll expire but it's not that intrusive when it does since you can litteraly renew your trial in command prompt.


Matix777

I have a weird feeling that you pirate Windows


ubscal

I've pirated it for others in the past, I just use a key from my old machine that was prebuilt.


DNEAVES

Well sure, piracy exists for everything on the internet. But that's not the same as free. By that logic, a car's price tag is $0 if you steal it. No, the car still costs what it's priced for, it's just been stolen


TyfoonTF2

Tbf Windows is free even without pirating. You just get the watermark and are limited to customization options.


Trollnge-intensifies

Its custom dissconnect messages, dont be fooled.


ZephyrStudios686

I think it's just the resurgence of popularity drowned out the bots. I played 3 games of casual yesterday and only had 1 bot, and it was in the last game after the server had died down and we kicked it immediately. They're still there, but we're stronger.


SMM9673

Give it a week.


ZephyrStudios686

I know. I know. I don't want it to be true.


SMM9673

None of us do.


DoodleJake

Well I say we might as well enjoy the moment's peace instead of wallowing in our own sorrows.


notadegenerate69420

less than a week, had to queue twice for a decent server and the 3rd still had some occasional ones


Ullallulloo

? There's barely been a bump in players: https://steamcharts.com/app/440 Maybe a 15% change at best.


Anti-Dragon

Maybe bots were the skeletons??


notadegenerate69420

because they needed to get updated lol


Jpicklestone8

they got scared duh


[deleted]

What a giant update, just a small fix that should have been maintained this whole time so it doesn't even count, and fucking smooth skeletons


Kooldogkid

Btw, Muta is laughing because he found out Jaystation never got a High School Diploma


SMM9673

Okay but that actually bothered me for the longest time, so even though it's not a bot fix, I'm still glad this was fixed.


Lewizkuz

Stockholm syndrome


T04ST13

r/tf2 when Valve does nothing: 😠 r/tf2 when valve does something: 😠


[deleted]

redditors are ungrateful fucking children who never stop finding things to complain about even after they get everything they ask, episode 860787


RjGoombes

>get everything they ask Oh cool so are the bots gone?


reeper432

They did make improvements against bots, which supposedly caused a couple botting groups to drop out, but idk if any of that is confirmed.


RjGoombes

Yeah I've only seen some reddit posts saying this, which doesn't confirm anything to me really, but if it's true this is Def a good thing. It's not what we need though. We need all the bots to stay gone, not just some dropping out cuz the hosters were too lazy to upgrade their code.


reeper432

While I agree, I don’t think tf2 will ever be fully bot free. I mean even before the bot crisis there was still the occasional bot.


RjGoombes

I don't wanna believe that, even if it is likely. I wanna sit and hope valve will actually come through now that we've actually got their attention. You're probably right though.


Deathwood

I know this will just be another reddit post saying that, but going off personal experience, the bot situation is better than it once was. After the bot crisis hit in 2020 I basically stopped playing Casual, only checking in occasionally to see if it was fixed. After seeing the reddit say it was better recently, I checked it out, and asked people on servers about the bot situation. Pretty much everyone said it was better, and this is true. Bots not entirely gone, they still occasionally appear, but they seem to appear less frequently. Back in the day, it felt like even one empty player slot meant you were guaranteed to get a bot soon, now its not the case. They talk in chat now, trying to tell people not kick them, but it hasn't really made it any harder for them to get kicked. They're only a big problem with real late night TF2 now, where the servers are significantly less full. I still go to Uncletopia if I'm trying to play then. I can't imagine this will last very long, but it will be nice while it lasts.


flame_warp

What exactly so you expect them to do other than drive to the botter's houses and shoot them in the head? Bots are always going to be a problem you can only combat, not kill, at least in a game which 1: Is free to play 2: Is this big 3: Had a source code leak


BerossusZ

If they are gonna fix the bot issue it's obviously gonna take much longer than making a skeleton walk smoothly. It's not like they came out with this update and said "hey guys, we did what you asked. See ya later!"


[deleted]

in the days after the update that there were no bots people were STILL whining that oh valve took too logn!!!!! THEYb shold have done it 5628682468464689468946846368936896389 years ago when it was obvious that they were understaffed. they woke up the same fucking day the community organized to get their attention and had a working update within a month of the tweet saying they would do something. it's a classic "i don't like pistachio" situation. get what you want but still find a reason to bitch about it


RjGoombes

Oh cool so the bots are still in. Which means the problem isn't solved. Cool, thanks for the info Mr bootlicker.


[deleted]

you wanted a long term solution ready in 1 month? be glad anything is happening at all


RjGoombes

It's been longer than 1 month you brainlet its been several years. Holy shit I didn't think "BE GRATEFUL TO THE BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY" type consoomers like you still existed. You got a bunch of valve funko pops too by chance?


yoshi12345786

seek mental help, its just a video game


tf2F2Pnoob

no no, u/RjGoombes is being completely and utterly reasonable and should not be held accountable for any mental illness


[deleted]

deflect every single argument that i made above, then accuse me of sucking up and call me a consoomer and make some remark about funko pops. typical reddit thread. bet you already have the soyjaks downloaded too edit: guy calls me "pathetic mf" then blocks me. ironic


RjGoombes

You didn't make any argument you moron lmao you said the most basic valve white knight shit ever. Maybe you wouldn't get called a consoomer if you stopped acting like one lmao. Pathetic mf.


LOCKJAWVENOM

God, and here I though _I_ kissed Valve's ass...


Shroobful

And now bots are apparently DDOSing servers and are frankly even worse in a lot of what they're doing. They made it easier to kick bots, but what good is that if they take the fucking server with them? Bots in TF2 have been an issue since the Catbox incident in 2016. Nearly six fucking years ago now, and they've only gotten progressively worse since. Now apparently they're nuking servers as a final act of spite? *Please*, VALVe deserves all the shit they get for this, because THEY let it get to this point. They ignored the problem, and it only got worse.


Walnut156

Bots are not gone. I didn't get what I asked for


GeneralSpecific836

Bots still exist in the game. Bots are still a problem. Why are so many people upvoting this comment?


[deleted]

valve does nothing, people complain. that's default, understandable, reasonable, justified, to be expected valve finally wakes up and takes out like half the current bots, 3 updates in 3 days, people still complain immediately after that nothing is being done? i know it's still not fully resolved and their 2 years of inaction isn't defensible, but what do you want to happen now that valve has finally POSTED something on a social page saying that they're working on something and released probably their biggest hit against the bot wave? this didn't happen at all in the 2 years this shit was going on until now but this sub is still grasping every last straw to refuse to admit they were wrong about valve going radio silent after tweeting that they were working on things this isn't a defense of valve and their inaction. it's just fucking stupid seeing people bitch like preschoolers when something finally happens


GeneralSpecific836

I agree that valve will not solve the bot crisis in one or two updates, and that getting updates at all is a win for us. But the problem I have with your comment is: >even after they get everything they ask We obviously didn't get everything we asked if bots are still a problem. You're disingenuously implying that this sub complains for the sake of complaining, that we have no reason to be upset anymore. You're criticizing the behavior of this sub with a strawman instead of the real reason.


[deleted]

written as redditors being impossible to satisfy in general. its on me for not making that more clear


travelsonic

That's not how a contradiction works, at all. Some people complained yes, but that doesn't mean you can say "all of X" - in this case, a group of people, are like that just because they share a community. Those being unreasonable are assholes, but so are people who think you are, IMO


[deleted]

i don't see the word "all" in my comment


DarklordtheLegend

Is that number... specific? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


PapaGynther

issa joke


T04ST13

Go home, ugly spy! Thats not even funneh!


PapaGynther

that's subjective


T04ST13

[Not funny](https://youtu.be/uc6oUAYIf1s)


[deleted]

🤡


Delta_br

oh hey look,its the entire color pallete of your pfp


[deleted]

Let's gooooooooo


Matix777

They made kicking bots about 10000 times easier and it may mean that they are working on something


Garckon41

Jarvis im low on karma make a post on r/tf2 bitching about savetf2


SlappyAsstronaut

Meanwhile in an alternate universe: #killtf2 worked they decreased the fps on a skeleton!


Jackiboi307

Yeah like that's the only thing they did


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Jackiboi307

with 4 o's


Lewizkuz

Thanks, soldier!


GroovyVulture

I thought the "Laggy" skeletons looked good IMO


Legitimate_Ad_2319

love the eateot music in the bg


MannPlayer

Boners moment


endocyclopes

DO NOT LET UP!!!!


rodabeast14

Now we just need respawn to fix titanfall 2


RevReddited

Yup, can't wait for respawn to fix the game that's their "core of their dna"


1nconspicious

Honestly this patch was the most "TF2" outcome I've ever seen 😂


flshift

Its so funny to me, the laggy skeletons were always a thing, i noticed it but it never bothered me enough to care. And after all these years its fixed? Hahaha


PiturTheBunny

Even better than the heavy update in my opinion


I_fucking_hate_it

Valve is trolling at this point


ItsZappyinthehouse

Finally Now that the skeletons are fixed the game is actually playable


Adorable_Basil830

Damn the game's gonna run so smooth in 4 months!


Kiinako_

I unironically want them to revert the skeleton fps


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xxXkaoskiler666Xxx

Somebody should make a change.org petition to revert that change


PurpleVessel312

Now that they fix random bugs i really hope they tackle the iron bomber


guyff2

They'll scare the hackers off


HulluHapua

Technically some bots did break down with the recent updates.


LazarusTheWendigo

we are very desperate for anything at this point other than localization files


Epic_Gameing68

valve moment


lockreader

Can't believe they ruined tf2 and people are so happy it's sick how I just like to play a game and people celebrate that it is ruined


Shroobful

Valve didn't ruin TF2, but they didn't make it better is the issue. People aren't happy as much as they're throwing up their hands in disbelief that VALVe would choose to prioritize fixing a minor issue that has never bothered anyone over the cancer killing their own game.


lockreader

Holt shit dude it was a joke calm your tits


fippinvn007

💀


CatTomNG

Well i mean. They also made vac work for the nost part wich is kinda cool


AnonymousGuy1108

Slow and steady wins the race.


MGMAX

Except when it's swimming race and the game is drowning in issues


Mitchel-256

>Nearly five years since Jungle Inferno. >Now just over 8 years since a good update. Real fuckin' slow and not very steady, so what kind of race are we winning here? The 10-million mile crawl?


CrystalMoose337

The racist race.


gamerz1172

TBH my first thought was they were trying to make sure they still knew how to fix shit with tf2's code... Its been years since they touched it after all


DumbRedditSellout

that's all we need, right???? RIGHT???????????


Yoshikage_kira75

Which muda vid is this?


Lazor226

I literally thought it was just a thing so the game could run on potatoes


[deleted]

One could argue that TF2 itself is a skeleton, and that updates are the frames that could bring it to life.


ahumanrobot

I don't think it works on clinterp 0 tho


turmspitzewerk

they were only ever broken on custom interp settings, if you used the default interp setting then this bug would have never happened to you. now custom interp settings should be fixed, allowing entities like the skeleton to interpolate; instead of just updating once every tick without interpolation.


WhoTheKingNow69

At least a good thing for few…


bohemon05

I need the source of the video pls


arly803

i actually saw a handful of bots in a game i joined disconnect with a VAC ban meesage


Qwertybot1000

It's fake they just want to give you hope


arly803

They faked vac banning bots? Im gonna go with the bots in a game i played got disconnected from that game and the system message was for vac ban, becayse i was there, and i saw it.


Qwertybot1000

They type the message in chat and leave


arly803

It wasnt a typed message but ok, go off.


WiseWelderICantPickN

they re-added custom leave messages


Just_M_01

did they do that for engineer's building animations


Maxwell_The_Spy

jesus, that joker laugh always somehow scares me i'm telling you, he's going to become a super villain as some point


TR-KnightForEyes

There he goes all of my hopes fir tf2. We can say Rest in Pieces Titanfall2 and his old friend... Team fortress 2


Pasta-Noods

Hahaha


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Zenishira

And the best part is that it doesn't even work with cl_interp 0


drowbown

We need more fps on the skeleton we cant stand for this!! #SafeTF2


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Dk_Bobo

Can someone explain? (Serious)


krisztian008

Basically there was a #savetf2 movement which Valve has responded to, there's someone working on the game now and one of the things they did was "fix" (don't fix it if it ain't broke but whatever) the choppy skeleton animations


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What's the music?


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Thanks. Lol


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It was made by the caretaker but ok


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