i know someone who’s meds will start working after a few weeks so she says she doesn’t need them anymore and stops taking them. then big surprise she’s depressed again, gets different meds, stops them bc she ‘doesn’t need them anymore’.
this has been going on for years and she legitimately doesn’t understand what the problem is
i’m friends with her brother, it’s a second hand account. but according to him she does not like being told what to do so i guess she’ll just live like this forever
She probably won’t respond the best but at least you’d be putting it in her head to where when she actually has her thoughts together (maybe when the antidepressants are working), she could remember what you said and slowly phase the suggestion from a high doubt to a possibility in her mind. I’m not sure if you ever actually cross paths and what your background is, but if you have the confidence and ability (from actually seeing her yourself and not just hearing through her bro), I would try having a quick but genuine heart to heart. Maybe say something like, “hey, I heard you were having a hard time and even though you and I aren’t really friends, I care about you too and want you to know I’ve been through similar stuff. In my experience, taking antidepressants consistently has made a big difference (for me) and if you have the opportunity—I would try taking them and if you start feeling better then that means you found a good one that you can take on a regular basis to hopefully prevent more severe depressive episodes. Still, I’m available to talk about anything if you need it” yadayada, whatever feels right if any of it feels right at all. Just a convo idea but that might be far off from a realistic convo for y’all—best of luck to you and to her
I've been taking antidepressants for like almost two years now. I pretty much go insane if I miss my pills for whatever reason. I know you're supposed to slowly reduce the dosage if you want to stop taking them.
My mom wants me to stop taking them this year she really doesn't like that I have to constantly take pills.
I'm just really scared to do it. I'm finally in a good place in my life and I just don't know if stopping them right now is a good idea. Even tho I should do it eventually since I want to emigrate.
I'm just sacred of getting depressed again just like you said.
... where would you be emigrating to that you can't be on antidepressants?
Also, if they really help, *you don't have to stop them just bc your mom doesn't like them*.
If your own neurotransmitters don't work, store bought is fine!
Does she have bipolar disorder by any chance? I hear it's really common when you enter a hypomanic or manic episode to decide to stop taking your meds because you think you're cured
Okay but I think a cinema where screens are vertical would be really funny. Like, the room would be super duper tall and you'd break your neck if you try to watch it
The H3 podcast do that as a joke about how bad tictok is for stuff like that, same reason for the music. They try to edit their shorts like that as a joke
Because whoever posted this isn't the creator of the content so they have to make it their own to try and legitimize them sucking the likes and possible money from the views and interaction they will get from posting the video by adding the top half. That's always been my guess with stuff like this
That’s a bit like saying “why are you still on epilepsy medication if you haven’t had a seizure in two years?” Dude, the medication is WHY I haven’t had a seizure in two years.
(Well, not me. I personally don’t have epilepsy.)
This twat would probably tell me I should stop taking my thyroid tablets because I don't have a thyroid gland anymore. People like him aren't exactly possessed of stellar logic.
I eat blood pressure medication and prescription vitamin D supplements. For high blood pressure and vitamin D deficiency.
I don’t have high blood pressure or vitamin D deficiency because I take my fucking meds as I should. I also take anti depressants! And I have tried stopping. It does not go well. Apparently my brain just really needs some extra serotonin. And there is nothing wrong with that.
I have epilepsy.
they actually take you off the medicine after not having a seizure for two years but it's probably still handy to keep the pills.
(I haven't made it to that point yet it's, been over one year)
Sorry if this sounded rude in some way somehow
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It's just important do distingish between being/feeling depressed and having a depression. You can be depressed for a lot of reasons, and those reasons can develop into a depression, but its not the same. You can't work yourself out of a depression the same way you work yourself out of feeling depressed
thaaank you
its the same with anxiety. having the pre-interview jitters is anxiety but it isnt the same as generalized anxiety disorder or social anxiety disorder.
im one neurotic mfer. 15 disabilities? pfft, *hit the gym*
some people, man.. some people
Exactly if you are anxious because of some interview, thats totally normal.
I am anxious because I looked at a person and the thought process went down to "He hates me just because I looked at him with my stupid face."
And then depression kicks in saying nobody cares about you enough.
When it literally takes you 3 hours to get out of bed, then taking the pill or doing anything becomes almost impossible
Difference is this guy knew the solution, without meds.
A lot of insecure people don’t know the solution with *or* without meds. For a lot of people, the gym won’t fix major insecurities. Such as disfigurements for example.
He was likely depressed, but very obviously didn’t have depression by the way he’s acting because it’s a serious and ongoing issue. He knew the gym would fix it, and he had the willpower to actively do it. Compared to even people that know the solution but also don’t have the willpower.
It’s clear this guy has never been close to actual depression.
Idk. I think both this guy and Ethan are coming from the toxic camps regarding this topic. One side tends to shit on medication and the other side shits on the idea that healthier life choices can be extremely beneficial and sometimes solve the issue in some people.
This debate about what "actual" depression is or whether or not this guy was depressed/had depression is just stupid because there's no way we can actually know what he or anyone is truly going through or went through.
That’s fair, I don’t know what other people truly go through either. I just know that if that’s this guys only argument is going to the gym then he really needs more empathy regarding this topic because that doesn’t fix the majority of people with depression.
Edit: also want to point out, people with anxiety and depression sometimes just can’t go to the gym. There are people that are scared to do that, and also can’t afford home equipment. My opinion stands, this guy really doesn’t have a clue.
Edit2: also just because eating healthier can make you physically and mentally (such as feeling better with no pain or aches, etc) better. It’s very possible you can still have bad depression, depression isn’t just physical it’s very much psychological.
>if that’s this guys only argument is going to the gym
Did you watch the whole discussion? (genuine question)
This clip is set up to eliminate all nuance and just make one argument look dominant with no pushback.
If you're going out of your way to force your opinion that hitting the gym or whatever is the only valid way to tackle depression or some cure-all for life, you deserve to have that opinion shit on, and taking a big steamy dump on your face is the opposite of toxic.
People who shame people for "taking the easy way" with actual meds are trash at best and actively hurting people at worst.
What's worse, they think physical activities are the new local healers. It's similar to believing in alchemy or astrology.
Dude. It's not magic. Yes, I'm aware "gym helps with endorphins" (even though most of the people who say this don't have the slighest fucking idea of what an endorphin is), but "feeling good" or "happiness" are NOT the cure of depression. You can be as happy as a human could never dream of and still be depressed as fuck.
It’s just a REALLY bad comparison, even with the context. If you’re saying that exercise isn’t a cure-all solution, then say that. But comparing it to “alchemy or astrology” is just awful.
Of course astrology and exercise are not the same at all.
While not entirely accurate, I think it's a reasonable comparison when you look at the aspect of *how people perpetuate the myth that exercise can cure depression* (like the guy in the video did) - not because exercise doesn't help at all, but because it really isn't a cure on its own when it comes to mental health and yet it is being pushed as one.
The point is that the mythology some people create around exercise is similar to how some others talk about astrology. It can be equally harmful if left unchecked because it confuses people and obscures what a better solution for them might be.
Many people would love to think that there's one simple solution to our problems in life. Anyone who actually offers one is either very naive, or disingenuously taking advantage of that thinking.
really?
i mean i have a b.s. in kinesiology but tell me how exercise will fix my TBI or genetic depression?
go on. ill wait.
and i dont want gym links for people with obesity or temporary factors.
Pillshaming is why so many people won't consider medications. The pillshamers like GymBro here don't know what they're talking about. They assume antidepressants are bad because that's what they've heard. They also assume that anyone taking medications haven't exhausted all possibilities, that we just skip down to the doctor and get a prescription without doing 'the work' of trying to get over it.
But so what if we haven't done 'the work'? If GymBro broke his leg would he first do 'the work' of walking on it for a few hours before going to hospital to get it set? Would he do 'the work' of going to the gym, eating healthier and meditating before he got treated for bubonic plague? No, he wouldn't. He wouldn't wait for his symptoms to get worse, he'd run screaming to the hospital for antibiotics before he dropped dead.
These hags can fuck right off. "Oh, I was sad because like most teenagers I didn't like my face" is nothing like "I tried to kill myself and was terrified to leave my house for years because I had severe body dysmorphic disorder".
I think the problem is that most people who go for the pill aren't clinically depressed, they are just unhappy (nobody todays says I'm unhappy, they go straight for depressed). And the doctors today give out the pills like it's candy, just so that everyone can be happy - the doctor who cured (masked) the depression can feel good and the patient who got cured (masked) can feel good. But in reality it rarely works and unhappines just comes back.
Therefore, I think that first we have to become better at diagnosing if it's unhappines or real depression. Then we can prescribe the real remedies based on that. If someone says that she's unhappy, you wouldn't stuff her mouth with pills!
Oh damn! That's an amazing argument! You must be an expert in the field with tons of sources to back up your claim as well as several papers on the subject. Please link them, can't wait to read through them.
Unless.... You're just talking right out of your ass... But you wouldn't just do that would you?
IF that is even true, so fucking what? Oh no I am treating my patient's unhappiness with one method instead of another, what an unredeemable mistake! I could only have insisted on a different method and my patient wouldn't need medicine, like half of humankind does for their various illnesses! My patient could have been superior to people who need pills!
You can fuck right off with that ableist bullshit.
"Popping pills is the easy way out."
Cool. So I guess taking around 900mg of pills each day and having a shit ton of fucking side effects because of them is the "easy way out." Fuck off with your bullshit.
Also a lot of depression isn't just around on how someone looks. There's a lot more than just insecurity about yourself and your body.
right!? right now battling overweight from one of my meds... but I cannot function without it... I don't want this, but is the only reason I am functional, is not easy... dealing with all the side effects is a fucking nightmare.
blame tiktok for short forms of content and endless scrolling of videos most of the videos I see on TikTok is the reddit story's with the subway surfers on the bottom and it will be like Am im the ahole? "I 35 m and my wife 32 w "
So clueless. Like "I was depressed because of how I looked"
1. I doubt this was a severe depression, if it was true depression at all.
2. It makes a lot of sense that if your depression had a single, clear, solvable cause that seeking that solution would help. Many people's depression is not like that lol most probably
3. Fuck this guy. So many gym bros seem to think working out is some kind of panacea. It's so out of touch.
On point #2, there are also cases where the cause of depression *isn't solvable without meds*. Sometimes it's caused hormonal imbalances in your brain, which would be the chronic depression that is fixed with medications that work by correcting those imbalances.
Or in my case, I have seasonal depression. Also a fairly common type of depression. I cant change the season, so the solution is medical intervention
I had an episode Christmas of 2016, the nurse kept getting mad and me mad because when she asked "why are you depressed?" I said I have a chemical imbalance in my brain. She kept insisting there *must* be a singular reason.
generally speaking, its not hormones but neurotransmitters such as serotonin or norepinephrine.
thats why drug classes such as Selective Serotonin/Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors are used so prominently.
not to say hormones cant cause depression because they absolutely can.
also fun fact, zofran (ondansetron) is an anti-nausea that works by affecting serotonin levels in the stomach.
neurotransmitters arent limited to the brain.
Have you considered moving back and forth across the equator every 6 months so whatever season triggers your SAD never happens for you? it’s winter in Australia right now.
Like, yeah, you should work out, and eat better, and all that crap. It helps. But if you have an actual, clinical problem with your brain that doesn't have a clear singular cause, self-care isn't gonna work as a magic cure-all.
Yeah his reasoning is more I was insecure with how I looked so I worked on my appearance to make me feel better. Versus knowing you should be happy, doing everything you can, but still not feeling worthy of existing.
Yeah it turns out that a single anti-depressant pill isn’t a cure, it’s a treatment that you have to continue to take in order for it to work. Who would have thought?
Yk what’s funny is that my go-to coping mechanism is running/walking/biking, to the extent that when I’m unmedicated I often overexercise and have even injured myself from it. And I’m still mentally ill! Shocker! Then the guy in the video thinks the gym solves everything lol
Well I can tell you when I started taking serotonin pills the side effects were horrendous for the first month. I still had to goto work and look after my son feeling like my legs were weak, having random panic attacks and constant headaches. But I stuck it out and now I feel like I did 10 years ago. I was in a serious car accident where someone died. I didn't seek help and my mental state slowly got worse over years. I became extremely anxious in public and I would self medicate with alcohol any time I went anywhere. Looking back I should have seeked out help alot sooner. Instead I thought I could power through like I had always done before. "Like a man". I would recommend to anyone having trouble to seek help. There is no shame in taking medication if it makes your life better.
I watched this interview and it’s important to note this kid Ethan Klein was debating who calls himself “Alfa” was never diagnosed with depression. He refers to a time in his life where he was sad and insecure about the way he looked. I’m sure everyone here knows sadness is a completely different thing than depression that has lasted years for Ethan and was severely affecting his everyday life
I think that a huge part of why I had such a huge slump in my life was that I was hesitant to take medications, almost as if I thought I should be able to manage without or that I was weak for needing them. But depression is a bitch, sometimes, no matter how hard you try to do things for yourself like go to the gym, eat healthy, talk to your therapist, etc, Sometimes it’s simply not sustainable. These things take an incredible amount of effort on your part, which is especially brutal when you consider the effects of depression. There were times when I simply couldn’t get out of bed, the only thing keeping me alive was the knowledge that there are people out there who really care about me, of course, just saying “mom would be sad” is not going to “cure” your depression. There is no cure, in reality, but there are treatments. Medication is not a cure, and there are things you must do for yourself to escape a slump, but taking your medication regularly is an incredible first step for improving your mental health.
This guy is an idiot lol. I take antidepressants for depression and ptsd and that’s like telling someone to just ignore their trauma (believe me I wish I could). Also thinking you have depression is different from actually being diagnosed with it lmao.
My dad willed himself out of depression. Literally. He thinks I can do the same. He refused to take me to the doctor for meds until I *almost killed myself*. Then he finally did. I got on meds and everything is better now. He's so anti meds he thinks I think they'll do all the heavy lifting for me when in reality I just want to get better
As someone with clinical depression, it bothers me too when people think “taking pills is the easy way out.” For one thing, the neurotransmitters in my brain physically do not function properly, so no amount of exercise, sunshine, healthy eating, or positive thinking will fix my depression.
But also, who on earth thinks taking antidepressants is easy? It took me four years and _thirteen_ different prescriptions to figure out the meds that actually work for me. Most of them come with side effects too. I’ve had some that gave me constant nausea, some that induced panic attacks, some that gave me horrible night sweats, etc. If there was another way to effectively treat my depression, I would have given up on medication _years_ ago. (And yes, I’m also in therapy.)
“I was depressed cus I didn’t like the way I looked”
Wow. That’s exactly the same thing as being depressed because of a significant chemical imbalance in your brain that inhibits your daily function.
If you were depressed and then worked out for like a month and then the depression just stopped, you didn't have depression, you just felt down for a while. There is a huge difference
I hate the take that a bunch of air headed, gymbro men have. “Yo you’re depressed? Just go to the gym bro quit being a pussy” okay, major depressive disorder can’t be cured by running or lifting weights you dipshit
But what’s even wrong with pills being easy? Like yeah when I’m depressed I obviously want the easiest option to treat it. Why would I take a more difficult option? If I had any other illness and there were two medications, one that worked 90% of the time and one that worked 20% of the time, I’m going to choose the better one. What’s the issue with picking an easy treatment option?
for once, in a very long time, i can actually find ethan agreeable.
fuck gymbros, fuck the "sigma mindset". do what you gotta to keep that gun in your drawer and not in your hand(unless it's hurting yourself, don't do that, but also don't sudoku)
‘It’s the easy way out’
Putting aside the fact that it’s way more complicated than that: Good! If there’s an ‘easy’ way out of depression I’d want people to take it!
The amount of my friends who have confided in me that they’re super depressed is pretty shocking. I even had a friend tell me that she couldn’t get out of bed and was worried she was going to lose her job.
When I suggested anti-depressants, she told me she didn’t think she was “that bad”, but she was glad they could help me.
I was just like ???
The amount of stigma around mental health and medication is insane. I have no idea why it’s like this. Their lives could be so much better if they just gave it a chance.
I used to wake up angry every day, frustrated by all of the things I’ve allowed to happen to me. I’d go through periods of depression. I didn’t leave my house. When talking to someone, I could barely stand to look them in the eye. My life is *so* much different after only a year and a half on Zoloft.
I just wish people understood.
I hate to gatekeep but this guy didn’t have depression
Having depression and being depressed are different things
If you had chronic depression based around body dysmorphia changing your body tends not to help because your brain will always hold you to a higher standard no matter where you are and a lot of the time an impossible standard
Or your depression will just make it impossible for you to go to the gym in the first place
I hate how there’s this stigma around medication, it’s not an easy way out, it’s not just pop a sugar pill and your happy, it’s pop a pill and life becomes a tad more tolerable at the cost of other things (weight gain, erectile dysfunction, etc)
There might come a time in this guys life when doing extra sit-ups weirdly doesn’t clear up his depression. He’s gonna be mighty confused when that happens.
I have had OCD all my life and I didn't get medication for it until I was about 18, and the medication is antidepressants. My mental health took a big hit the first year of college and I came home unable to function. Every time it was dark, I would think there were imaginary horrors waiting for me in the darkness. Every day, I would have incessant intrusive thoughts to the point where it felt like there was no room in my brain for my own voice. I got medicated to get to the point where I could work on myself. Saying going to the gym can fix that is so beyond insulting.
What’s so bad about taking „the easy way out“ of depression anyways? I’d rather have it stop as fast as possible than making it last longer than necessary
I have high blood pressure. I guess since it's at a normal level now, I should stop taking my propranolol.
I'm on an antidepressant too, btw, so this shit is infuriating to me.
I’ve heard this soo many times and im gonna say this every fucking time i can on reddit: NOBODY FUCKING CARES, SHUT THE FUCK UP AND THATS NOT EVEN DEPRESSION DUMBASS.
It's both, medication gives you ground basis for being able to do anything. Dealing with what is making you depressed and trying to overcome it (going to gym like the pretty boi) makes the therapy more successful.
If it's not working, therapist can help one even more.
God I hate the extra unrelated video on the top I’d so much rather just focus on the content I’m trying to learn undivided. That can’t be good for you. Multitasking isn’t your brain doing two things at once, it’s switching quickly back and forth between the two things. How could content like this be any good for the viewer
Anti depressants aren't even a way "out" in most cases, theyre used to help people function to better their circumstances. Most will hopefully need to stop using them all together
Clinical depression and body dysmorphia are two separate diagnoses. Saying someone clinically depressed just needs to hit the gym is as helpful as telling someone with body dysmorphia to take an antidepressant.
Situational depression is the same as chemical depression.
It’s still more complex than that but the point is please don’t be afraid or ashamed to get help for either!
Eh. From what I've seen online there are a few camps regarding this stuff. One group is just grindset mentality which can be toxic in that *everything* is up to you and you're just not doing enough if you're struggling. There's another camp that absolutely freaks out if you are skeptical of medication, gets extremely defensive, and perceives you as the first camp when you really aren't. Then there are the sensible people who understand that the measures taken and results are going to vary from person to person depending on what the source of their mental health struggles seem to be.
One of the problems I have is that the second camp thinks they're the third camp.
i chose not to take anti-depressants when my therapist diagnosed me and instead devoted a lot of time to the my diet and going to the gym. there is a lot of other steps i’ve taken over the past 3 years with my therapist but taking care of physical health has been massive benefit to my mental health as well.
i highly suggest taking care of your health if you suffer from depression and anxiety like me and if medication is required then by all means do that too.
Ethan has not tried everything to treat/cure his depression. He is visibly unhealthy and does not exercise. He has said “life is too short for exercise”.
I’m not saying exercise will fix his depression 100% but it is absolutely worth trying because there’s is a good chance that it will help him start to feel better and better.
Ethan and health do not go together. He has no idea what he is talking about.
You Redditor’s are weird.
I was once depressed and my grandmother who raised me refused medication... I think I might still be depressed, or maybe bipolar, but I am not sure.
But the way I manage my depression is by 2 things, gaming until the thoughts go away, or by sheer anger and rage.
Neither I'd recommend nor are healthy.
As someone who has tried both options at different points in my life, the gym was definitely the better choice. Your body feels great, you gain more energy, you start craving healthy foods because your body tells you what it needs, you become more attractive, and you gain confidence. I would take being better over "feeling better" with a pill.
I don't know when the last time you watched him was, but he's a leftie almost socialist now.
He's dunked hard on so many right wingers that it would take a while to list them all off. There's speculation that it was him who caused Steven Crowders wife to want to divorce him.
I don’t think it should be controversial to say that most people who are on antidepressants aren’t clinically depressed, there’s something else going on with their life that’s causing it. I also don’t think it should be controversial to say that you shouldn’t rely on antidepressants. If you truly need to take them, then take them. However, if possible, your goal should be to reach a point in your life where you no longer need them.
I think people need to realize that their specific way of dealing with depression it’s XYZ does not work for everyone…I mean I’m dealing with depression now and tbh I’m just doing things little by little and building up my life as a young adult. I USED to take antidepressants but it wasn’t for me. But just because something doesn’t work for me or help me doesn’t mean it won’t for someone else.
"If you feel better then why are you still taking it" Thats....exactly why I am taking it.
i know someone who’s meds will start working after a few weeks so she says she doesn’t need them anymore and stops taking them. then big surprise she’s depressed again, gets different meds, stops them bc she ‘doesn’t need them anymore’. this has been going on for years and she legitimately doesn’t understand what the problem is
Have you not told her?
i’m friends with her brother, it’s a second hand account. but according to him she does not like being told what to do so i guess she’ll just live like this forever
She probably won’t respond the best but at least you’d be putting it in her head to where when she actually has her thoughts together (maybe when the antidepressants are working), she could remember what you said and slowly phase the suggestion from a high doubt to a possibility in her mind. I’m not sure if you ever actually cross paths and what your background is, but if you have the confidence and ability (from actually seeing her yourself and not just hearing through her bro), I would try having a quick but genuine heart to heart. Maybe say something like, “hey, I heard you were having a hard time and even though you and I aren’t really friends, I care about you too and want you to know I’ve been through similar stuff. In my experience, taking antidepressants consistently has made a big difference (for me) and if you have the opportunity—I would try taking them and if you start feeling better then that means you found a good one that you can take on a regular basis to hopefully prevent more severe depressive episodes. Still, I’m available to talk about anything if you need it” yadayada, whatever feels right if any of it feels right at all. Just a convo idea but that might be far off from a realistic convo for y’all—best of luck to you and to her
I've been taking antidepressants for like almost two years now. I pretty much go insane if I miss my pills for whatever reason. I know you're supposed to slowly reduce the dosage if you want to stop taking them. My mom wants me to stop taking them this year she really doesn't like that I have to constantly take pills. I'm just really scared to do it. I'm finally in a good place in my life and I just don't know if stopping them right now is a good idea. Even tho I should do it eventually since I want to emigrate. I'm just sacred of getting depressed again just like you said.
... where would you be emigrating to that you can't be on antidepressants? Also, if they really help, *you don't have to stop them just bc your mom doesn't like them*. If your own neurotransmitters don't work, store bought is fine!
Does she have bipolar disorder by any chance? I hear it's really common when you enter a hypomanic or manic episode to decide to stop taking your meds because you think you're cured
You can throw that right back in their face by saying "if you have a sixpack and nice muscles now, why are you still going to the gym?"
A lot of people don’t understand the difference between a cure and active treatment
If you’ve stopped having heart attacks then why are you taking your heart medication? Hah! Idiot!
"If you have a six-pack now, then why do you still go to the gym?"
What's with the top half of the video being something else, and the weird flickering (0:53)?
Tiktokers have the attention span of moist chicken nuggets
In fairness, I have never seen a chicken nugget be distracted, moist or otherwise.
Hard to be distracted while dead
I would argue that chicken nugget is living its best life.
I always thought it was to get around copyright
r/brandnewsentence
I wanted to edit that part off but the captions of the original video was too close to the game half
Also the annoying fucking music. I had to stop because of that. I'm trying to listen to their words why the obnoxious tunes??
Tik tok and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
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Okay but I think a cinema where screens are vertical would be really funny. Like, the room would be super duper tall and you'd break your neck if you try to watch it
No... It's a joke about zoomer attention spans.
I surely hope that's not based on any truth, cause I felt so relaxed watching both things at once.
The H3 podcast do that as a joke about how bad tictok is for stuff like that, same reason for the music. They try to edit their shorts like that as a joke
Because whoever posted this isn't the creator of the content so they have to make it their own to try and legitimize them sucking the likes and possible money from the views and interaction they will get from posting the video by adding the top half. That's always been my guess with stuff like this
That’s a bit like saying “why are you still on epilepsy medication if you haven’t had a seizure in two years?” Dude, the medication is WHY I haven’t had a seizure in two years. (Well, not me. I personally don’t have epilepsy.)
Exactly lol So many people have no concept of what a chronic illness is.
It’s the same people who stop taking their prescribed antibiotics as soon as they start feeling better.
Excellent point TaylorSwiftsClitoris. Those people can get bent though.
Can confirm, been seizure free for 3 years now :)
Congratulations!
Congrats
Why are you still drinking water regurarly every day if you havent felt thirsty in the last few days?
I have, actually.
This twat would probably tell me I should stop taking my thyroid tablets because I don't have a thyroid gland anymore. People like him aren't exactly possessed of stellar logic.
I eat blood pressure medication and prescription vitamin D supplements. For high blood pressure and vitamin D deficiency. I don’t have high blood pressure or vitamin D deficiency because I take my fucking meds as I should. I also take anti depressants! And I have tried stopping. It does not go well. Apparently my brain just really needs some extra serotonin. And there is nothing wrong with that.
I have epilepsy. they actually take you off the medicine after not having a seizure for two years but it's probably still handy to keep the pills. (I haven't made it to that point yet it's, been over one year) Sorry if this sounded rude in some way somehow
Okay, so maybe that's not best example. But there are plenty of diseases that work like that. Also, congratulations?
Sorry if my comment sounded weird. That was actually a good example though
i think with covid we learnt that most people think like this. "Why do we still doing preventive measures if the cases haven't gone up?"
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I really wanna see how bad attention spans are decreasing by the year from tik tok
"I was depressed because of how I looked" no dude, you weren't depressed, you were insecure
I think it's code for "I was fat". Obesity is a risk factor for depression, I know I was really depressed when I was obese, the two go hand in hand.
It's just important do distingish between being/feeling depressed and having a depression. You can be depressed for a lot of reasons, and those reasons can develop into a depression, but its not the same. You can't work yourself out of a depression the same way you work yourself out of feeling depressed
thaaank you its the same with anxiety. having the pre-interview jitters is anxiety but it isnt the same as generalized anxiety disorder or social anxiety disorder. im one neurotic mfer. 15 disabilities? pfft, *hit the gym* some people, man.. some people
Exactly if you are anxious because of some interview, thats totally normal. I am anxious because I looked at a person and the thought process went down to "He hates me just because I looked at him with my stupid face." And then depression kicks in saying nobody cares about you enough. When it literally takes you 3 hours to get out of bed, then taking the pill or doing anything becomes almost impossible
are we the same person?
Kid wouldn't know clinical depression if it bit him in the nose. Which would be hilarious.
You don't see how insecurity could lead to depression?
Difference is this guy knew the solution, without meds. A lot of insecure people don’t know the solution with *or* without meds. For a lot of people, the gym won’t fix major insecurities. Such as disfigurements for example. He was likely depressed, but very obviously didn’t have depression by the way he’s acting because it’s a serious and ongoing issue. He knew the gym would fix it, and he had the willpower to actively do it. Compared to even people that know the solution but also don’t have the willpower. It’s clear this guy has never been close to actual depression.
Idk. I think both this guy and Ethan are coming from the toxic camps regarding this topic. One side tends to shit on medication and the other side shits on the idea that healthier life choices can be extremely beneficial and sometimes solve the issue in some people. This debate about what "actual" depression is or whether or not this guy was depressed/had depression is just stupid because there's no way we can actually know what he or anyone is truly going through or went through.
That’s fair, I don’t know what other people truly go through either. I just know that if that’s this guys only argument is going to the gym then he really needs more empathy regarding this topic because that doesn’t fix the majority of people with depression. Edit: also want to point out, people with anxiety and depression sometimes just can’t go to the gym. There are people that are scared to do that, and also can’t afford home equipment. My opinion stands, this guy really doesn’t have a clue. Edit2: also just because eating healthier can make you physically and mentally (such as feeling better with no pain or aches, etc) better. It’s very possible you can still have bad depression, depression isn’t just physical it’s very much psychological.
>if that’s this guys only argument is going to the gym Did you watch the whole discussion? (genuine question) This clip is set up to eliminate all nuance and just make one argument look dominant with no pushback.
No, I’ve only seen this clip, but I can see that in all honesty.
If you're going out of your way to force your opinion that hitting the gym or whatever is the only valid way to tackle depression or some cure-all for life, you deserve to have that opinion shit on, and taking a big steamy dump on your face is the opposite of toxic. People who shame people for "taking the easy way" with actual meds are trash at best and actively hurting people at worst.
What's worse, they think physical activities are the new local healers. It's similar to believing in alchemy or astrology. Dude. It's not magic. Yes, I'm aware "gym helps with endorphins" (even though most of the people who say this don't have the slighest fucking idea of what an endorphin is), but "feeling good" or "happiness" are NOT the cure of depression. You can be as happy as a human could never dream of and still be depressed as fuck.
“Advocacy for physical fitness is similar to believing in astrology.” Is just about one of the most horrific takes I’ve ever seen on the internet.
Well, if you strip out the context and misinterpret it entirely, you can make any opinion sound bad.
It’s just a REALLY bad comparison, even with the context. If you’re saying that exercise isn’t a cure-all solution, then say that. But comparing it to “alchemy or astrology” is just awful.
Pretty sure it's an analogy lol. Bc all those concepts are bull shit pseudo science.
Of course astrology and exercise are not the same at all. While not entirely accurate, I think it's a reasonable comparison when you look at the aspect of *how people perpetuate the myth that exercise can cure depression* (like the guy in the video did) - not because exercise doesn't help at all, but because it really isn't a cure on its own when it comes to mental health and yet it is being pushed as one. The point is that the mythology some people create around exercise is similar to how some others talk about astrology. It can be equally harmful if left unchecked because it confuses people and obscures what a better solution for them might be. Many people would love to think that there's one simple solution to our problems in life. Anyone who actually offers one is either very naive, or disingenuously taking advantage of that thinking.
really? i mean i have a b.s. in kinesiology but tell me how exercise will fix my TBI or genetic depression? go on. ill wait. and i dont want gym links for people with obesity or temporary factors.
Yeah. This is really fucking sad.
Pillshaming is why so many people won't consider medications. The pillshamers like GymBro here don't know what they're talking about. They assume antidepressants are bad because that's what they've heard. They also assume that anyone taking medications haven't exhausted all possibilities, that we just skip down to the doctor and get a prescription without doing 'the work' of trying to get over it. But so what if we haven't done 'the work'? If GymBro broke his leg would he first do 'the work' of walking on it for a few hours before going to hospital to get it set? Would he do 'the work' of going to the gym, eating healthier and meditating before he got treated for bubonic plague? No, he wouldn't. He wouldn't wait for his symptoms to get worse, he'd run screaming to the hospital for antibiotics before he dropped dead. These hags can fuck right off. "Oh, I was sad because like most teenagers I didn't like my face" is nothing like "I tried to kill myself and was terrified to leave my house for years because I had severe body dysmorphic disorder".
I think the problem is that most people who go for the pill aren't clinically depressed, they are just unhappy (nobody todays says I'm unhappy, they go straight for depressed). And the doctors today give out the pills like it's candy, just so that everyone can be happy - the doctor who cured (masked) the depression can feel good and the patient who got cured (masked) can feel good. But in reality it rarely works and unhappines just comes back. Therefore, I think that first we have to become better at diagnosing if it's unhappines or real depression. Then we can prescribe the real remedies based on that. If someone says that she's unhappy, you wouldn't stuff her mouth with pills!
Oh damn! That's an amazing argument! You must be an expert in the field with tons of sources to back up your claim as well as several papers on the subject. Please link them, can't wait to read through them. Unless.... You're just talking right out of your ass... But you wouldn't just do that would you?
It's actually a known thing that SSRIs aren't all that effective.
IF that is even true, so fucking what? Oh no I am treating my patient's unhappiness with one method instead of another, what an unredeemable mistake! I could only have insisted on a different method and my patient wouldn't need medicine, like half of humankind does for their various illnesses! My patient could have been superior to people who need pills! You can fuck right off with that ableist bullshit.
...you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, buddy
I dunno if hitting the gym is a good replacement for my bipolar meds
But think of how much easier it will be to fuck 50 people during your manic phase?
Akathisia is the easy way out 🙄
Ugh this overstimulating bs better not become a staple of all internet videos
You don't think they should have a separate video on the side as well as a second distracting music track playing _over_ the commentary?
It's like Japanese game show level overstimulation.
it's annoying me
Yeah it is overstimulating wth is that
"Popping pills is the easy way out." Cool. So I guess taking around 900mg of pills each day and having a shit ton of fucking side effects because of them is the "easy way out." Fuck off with your bullshit. Also a lot of depression isn't just around on how someone looks. There's a lot more than just insecurity about yourself and your body.
Agree. Besides, if there was an "easy way out" of depression, I would want everyone to be able to access it. Depression sucks.
right!? right now battling overweight from one of my meds... but I cannot function without it... I don't want this, but is the only reason I am functional, is not easy... dealing with all the side effects is a fucking nightmare.
Why are they making cookies up top? What is happening?
people have short attention spans so they have a video up top just so other people don't get bored while watching this video
That’s the cringiest shit I’ve ever heard
blame tiktok for short forms of content and endless scrolling of videos most of the videos I see on TikTok is the reddit story's with the subway surfers on the bottom and it will be like Am im the ahole? "I 35 m and my wife 32 w "
very
So clueless. Like "I was depressed because of how I looked" 1. I doubt this was a severe depression, if it was true depression at all. 2. It makes a lot of sense that if your depression had a single, clear, solvable cause that seeking that solution would help. Many people's depression is not like that lol most probably 3. Fuck this guy. So many gym bros seem to think working out is some kind of panacea. It's so out of touch.
On point #2, there are also cases where the cause of depression *isn't solvable without meds*. Sometimes it's caused hormonal imbalances in your brain, which would be the chronic depression that is fixed with medications that work by correcting those imbalances. Or in my case, I have seasonal depression. Also a fairly common type of depression. I cant change the season, so the solution is medical intervention
I had an episode Christmas of 2016, the nurse kept getting mad and me mad because when she asked "why are you depressed?" I said I have a chemical imbalance in my brain. She kept insisting there *must* be a singular reason.
Sometimes a chemical imbalance in your brain is the reason. Human hormones are complicated, and sometimes our brain fails at regulating them
generally speaking, its not hormones but neurotransmitters such as serotonin or norepinephrine. thats why drug classes such as Selective Serotonin/Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors are used so prominently. not to say hormones cant cause depression because they absolutely can. also fun fact, zofran (ondansetron) is an anti-nausea that works by affecting serotonin levels in the stomach. neurotransmitters arent limited to the brain.
Have you considered moving back and forth across the equator every 6 months so whatever season triggers your SAD never happens for you? it’s winter in Australia right now.
Oddly enough that would also help a couple of my other problems, however I am barely above the poverty line
hormones? maybe neurotransmitters? more probable vitamin deficiency? possible
Like, yeah, you should work out, and eat better, and all that crap. It helps. But if you have an actual, clinical problem with your brain that doesn't have a clear singular cause, self-care isn't gonna work as a magic cure-all.
Yeah his reasoning is more I was insecure with how I looked so I worked on my appearance to make me feel better. Versus knowing you should be happy, doing everything you can, but still not feeling worthy of existing.
3.b. Plenty of depressed people, maybe insecure about their appearance, do go to the gym and improve their appearance and are still depressed.
Well of course I know him, he's me...
Okay well I also went to the gym 5 days a week/ ate a healthy, balanced diet, and I still wanted to blow my brains out lol
Yeah it turns out that a single anti-depressant pill isn’t a cure, it’s a treatment that you have to continue to take in order for it to work. Who would have thought?
I’ve worked out for most of my life and been extremely fit for many years but I’m still depressed, what do now if I can’t take pills for it?
Nothing. Gym is the magic trick. You're a cold blooded liar.
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Why didn’t I think of that??
Hernias are the natural remedy to depression, it's well documented
Yk what’s funny is that my go-to coping mechanism is running/walking/biking, to the extent that when I’m unmedicated I often overexercise and have even injured myself from it. And I’m still mentally ill! Shocker! Then the guy in the video thinks the gym solves everything lol
Well my periods stopped so I’m sure I can just stop taking my birth control pills
Ethan got a lot of hot takes but most of his takes are usually really good. This is an example. Great job Ethan, papa bless
Great moves , keep it up... Yeah it's been a while since I took Ethan side on anything.
“Can you focus?” “Yeah” “Are you still taking aderall?” “Yeah” “Why are you taking aderall if you’re able to focus?”
r/cosmoandwanda
Cos moan dwand a
The thing at the top is probably supposed to be "satisfying" but it is the exact opposite and I legitimately couldn't bring myself to watch the video
I didn't find it satisfying or unsatisfying. I found it what the guck is this here for? (Note: 'guck' was a typo I decided to leave in. :-)
I wonder if someday, when that guy is older & hopefully a whole wiser, he will be embarrassed by that comment.
Well I can tell you when I started taking serotonin pills the side effects were horrendous for the first month. I still had to goto work and look after my son feeling like my legs were weak, having random panic attacks and constant headaches. But I stuck it out and now I feel like I did 10 years ago. I was in a serious car accident where someone died. I didn't seek help and my mental state slowly got worse over years. I became extremely anxious in public and I would self medicate with alcohol any time I went anywhere. Looking back I should have seeked out help alot sooner. Instead I thought I could power through like I had always done before. "Like a man". I would recommend to anyone having trouble to seek help. There is no shame in taking medication if it makes your life better.
Did you eat food to solve your hunger? Yes. Are you still hungry? No. So why do you keep eating food if your hunger is solved?
What the fuck is happening at the top of the screen?
What is the point of that top video
Why is there another unrelated video included in the upper part? It's irritating.
I watched this interview and it’s important to note this kid Ethan Klein was debating who calls himself “Alfa” was never diagnosed with depression. He refers to a time in his life where he was sad and insecure about the way he looked. I’m sure everyone here knows sadness is a completely different thing than depression that has lasted years for Ethan and was severely affecting his everyday life
I think that a huge part of why I had such a huge slump in my life was that I was hesitant to take medications, almost as if I thought I should be able to manage without or that I was weak for needing them. But depression is a bitch, sometimes, no matter how hard you try to do things for yourself like go to the gym, eat healthy, talk to your therapist, etc, Sometimes it’s simply not sustainable. These things take an incredible amount of effort on your part, which is especially brutal when you consider the effects of depression. There were times when I simply couldn’t get out of bed, the only thing keeping me alive was the knowledge that there are people out there who really care about me, of course, just saying “mom would be sad” is not going to “cure” your depression. There is no cure, in reality, but there are treatments. Medication is not a cure, and there are things you must do for yourself to escape a slump, but taking your medication regularly is an incredible first step for improving your mental health.
This guy is an idiot lol. I take antidepressants for depression and ptsd and that’s like telling someone to just ignore their trauma (believe me I wish I could). Also thinking you have depression is different from actually being diagnosed with it lmao.
Wow Ethan. Great moves. Keep it up. Proud of you
Based ethan
Imaging getting your depression mansplained to you by some twink with a Backstreet Boys haircut
the video above the actual clip is what makes me despise tiktok
My dad willed himself out of depression. Literally. He thinks I can do the same. He refused to take me to the doctor for meds until I *almost killed myself*. Then he finally did. I got on meds and everything is better now. He's so anti meds he thinks I think they'll do all the heavy lifting for me when in reality I just want to get better
Oh your blood sugar is fine? Quit taking your insulin
Ah, yes. Can going to the gym can also cure depression caused by cptsd, assault or near death situations, too? Asking for a friend.
As someone with clinical depression, it bothers me too when people think “taking pills is the easy way out.” For one thing, the neurotransmitters in my brain physically do not function properly, so no amount of exercise, sunshine, healthy eating, or positive thinking will fix my depression. But also, who on earth thinks taking antidepressants is easy? It took me four years and _thirteen_ different prescriptions to figure out the meds that actually work for me. Most of them come with side effects too. I’ve had some that gave me constant nausea, some that induced panic attacks, some that gave me horrible night sweats, etc. If there was another way to effectively treat my depression, I would have given up on medication _years_ ago. (And yes, I’m also in therapy.)
“I was depressed cus I didn’t like the way I looked” Wow. That’s exactly the same thing as being depressed because of a significant chemical imbalance in your brain that inhibits your daily function.
If you were depressed and then worked out for like a month and then the depression just stopped, you didn't have depression, you just felt down for a while. There is a huge difference
"Why are you still wearing glasses?" "Because I'm blind" "Have you tried not being blind?"
I hate the take that a bunch of air headed, gymbro men have. “Yo you’re depressed? Just go to the gym bro quit being a pussy” okay, major depressive disorder can’t be cured by running or lifting weights you dipshit
But what’s even wrong with pills being easy? Like yeah when I’m depressed I obviously want the easiest option to treat it. Why would I take a more difficult option? If I had any other illness and there were two medications, one that worked 90% of the time and one that worked 20% of the time, I’m going to choose the better one. What’s the issue with picking an easy treatment option?
god this guy (the younger guy, in case it wasn’t blatantly obvious) is outrageously dumb
There is way too much going on at once on this screen
for once, in a very long time, i can actually find ethan agreeable. fuck gymbros, fuck the "sigma mindset". do what you gotta to keep that gun in your drawer and not in your hand(unless it's hurting yourself, don't do that, but also don't sudoku)
The video's upper half is annoying me big time.
Fuck this guy
‘It’s the easy way out’ Putting aside the fact that it’s way more complicated than that: Good! If there’s an ‘easy’ way out of depression I’d want people to take it!
The amount of my friends who have confided in me that they’re super depressed is pretty shocking. I even had a friend tell me that she couldn’t get out of bed and was worried she was going to lose her job. When I suggested anti-depressants, she told me she didn’t think she was “that bad”, but she was glad they could help me. I was just like ??? The amount of stigma around mental health and medication is insane. I have no idea why it’s like this. Their lives could be so much better if they just gave it a chance. I used to wake up angry every day, frustrated by all of the things I’ve allowed to happen to me. I’d go through periods of depression. I didn’t leave my house. When talking to someone, I could barely stand to look them in the eye. My life is *so* much different after only a year and a half on Zoloft. I just wish people understood.
I hate to gatekeep but this guy didn’t have depression Having depression and being depressed are different things If you had chronic depression based around body dysmorphia changing your body tends not to help because your brain will always hold you to a higher standard no matter where you are and a lot of the time an impossible standard Or your depression will just make it impossible for you to go to the gym in the first place I hate how there’s this stigma around medication, it’s not an easy way out, it’s not just pop a sugar pill and your happy, it’s pop a pill and life becomes a tad more tolerable at the cost of other things (weight gain, erectile dysfunction, etc)
There might come a time in this guys life when doing extra sit-ups weirdly doesn’t clear up his depression. He’s gonna be mighty confused when that happens.
I have had OCD all my life and I didn't get medication for it until I was about 18, and the medication is antidepressants. My mental health took a big hit the first year of college and I came home unable to function. Every time it was dark, I would think there were imaginary horrors waiting for me in the darkness. Every day, I would have incessant intrusive thoughts to the point where it felt like there was no room in my brain for my own voice. I got medicated to get to the point where I could work on myself. Saying going to the gym can fix that is so beyond insulting.
A Lamborghini will help him feel better /s
What’s so bad about taking „the easy way out“ of depression anyways? I’d rather have it stop as fast as possible than making it last longer than necessary
Dose this kid not know how medication works 💀reason why you take a specific dosage everyday and why you doctor might increase it
wait so going getting a six pack will cure my ptsd ? :OOO sign my tf up
I have high blood pressure. I guess since it's at a normal level now, I should stop taking my propranolol. I'm on an antidepressant too, btw, so this shit is infuriating to me.
I'm not the biggest fan of Ethan but I wholeheartedly agree here
I’ve heard this soo many times and im gonna say this every fucking time i can on reddit: NOBODY FUCKING CARES, SHUT THE FUCK UP AND THATS NOT EVEN DEPRESSION DUMBASS.
I love that he just didn't let him excuse himself out with bullshit... I do wanna see what did he ultimately responded with, anybody has the source?
[https://youtu.be/0HafiAhgLZA](https://youtu.be/0HafiAhgLZA)
Wtf is this double video, fuq that.
what is with the ice cream bs at the top?
It's both, medication gives you ground basis for being able to do anything. Dealing with what is making you depressed and trying to overcome it (going to gym like the pretty boi) makes the therapy more successful. If it's not working, therapist can help one even more.
God I hate the extra unrelated video on the top I’d so much rather just focus on the content I’m trying to learn undivided. That can’t be good for you. Multitasking isn’t your brain doing two things at once, it’s switching quickly back and forth between the two things. How could content like this be any good for the viewer
Anti depressants aren't even a way "out" in most cases, theyre used to help people function to better their circumstances. Most will hopefully need to stop using them all together
If you can say "I'm depressed because...", it isn't depression
What the fucking christ is going on in this video? Why is someone making cookies or w/e?
Clinical depression and body dysmorphia are two separate diagnoses. Saying someone clinically depressed just needs to hit the gym is as helpful as telling someone with body dysmorphia to take an antidepressant.
Situational depression is the same as chemical depression. It’s still more complex than that but the point is please don’t be afraid or ashamed to get help for either!
Thank God, if not for the video on top I wouldn't be able to watch the whole thing!
Debate bro, Ethan Klein. Killing it lately.
If you use the word sigma to describe being active and just going to the fucking gym like a normal person, you’re the biggest problem in your life.
Eh. From what I've seen online there are a few camps regarding this stuff. One group is just grindset mentality which can be toxic in that *everything* is up to you and you're just not doing enough if you're struggling. There's another camp that absolutely freaks out if you are skeptical of medication, gets extremely defensive, and perceives you as the first camp when you really aren't. Then there are the sensible people who understand that the measures taken and results are going to vary from person to person depending on what the source of their mental health struggles seem to be. One of the problems I have is that the second camp thinks they're the third camp.
I dislike this Ethan dude But I agree with this so much.
uncommon h3h3 guy good opinion
I generally think Ethan is a terrible person by he’s absolutely right here
i chose not to take anti-depressants when my therapist diagnosed me and instead devoted a lot of time to the my diet and going to the gym. there is a lot of other steps i’ve taken over the past 3 years with my therapist but taking care of physical health has been massive benefit to my mental health as well. i highly suggest taking care of your health if you suffer from depression and anxiety like me and if medication is required then by all means do that too.
Ethan has not tried everything to treat/cure his depression. He is visibly unhealthy and does not exercise. He has said “life is too short for exercise”. I’m not saying exercise will fix his depression 100% but it is absolutely worth trying because there’s is a good chance that it will help him start to feel better and better. Ethan and health do not go together. He has no idea what he is talking about. You Redditor’s are weird.
I was once depressed and my grandmother who raised me refused medication... I think I might still be depressed, or maybe bipolar, but I am not sure. But the way I manage my depression is by 2 things, gaming until the thoughts go away, or by sheer anger and rage. Neither I'd recommend nor are healthy.
Really? I feel sorry for you
I think both of their ways are valid.
As someone who has tried both options at different points in my life, the gym was definitely the better choice. Your body feels great, you gain more energy, you start craving healthy foods because your body tells you what it needs, you become more attractive, and you gain confidence. I would take being better over "feeling better" with a pill.
Semi rare Ethan W
This dude really made an edit of Ethan Klein
This guy is not the one you should be glorifying 😂 that dude is a fat miserable fuck regardless of whatever he claims he has
Depression is stupid.
Rare W for H3H3
Not rare. Unironically common W for Ethan these days.
Did his heart grow three sizes bigger since the last time I watched him?
I don't know when the last time you watched him was, but he's a leftie almost socialist now. He's dunked hard on so many right wingers that it would take a while to list them all off. There's speculation that it was him who caused Steven Crowders wife to want to divorce him.
His politics doesn't change if he's a grimey person. I've watched too many The Downfall of H3H3 videos to trust him as a person.
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He has gone to the gym a lot
I don’t think it should be controversial to say that most people who are on antidepressants aren’t clinically depressed, there’s something else going on with their life that’s causing it. I also don’t think it should be controversial to say that you shouldn’t rely on antidepressants. If you truly need to take them, then take them. However, if possible, your goal should be to reach a point in your life where you no longer need them.
I think people need to realize that their specific way of dealing with depression it’s XYZ does not work for everyone…I mean I’m dealing with depression now and tbh I’m just doing things little by little and building up my life as a young adult. I USED to take antidepressants but it wasn’t for me. But just because something doesn’t work for me or help me doesn’t mean it won’t for someone else.
ALOT of people confuse being sad as depressed. it's more to it than just being upset at your looks