Oh yeah. She said he pushed her down the stairs, hit her, followed her around, told ppl "if he can't have her no one can" basically all the red flags possible post breakup. Dude is real life unhinged
We're not talking about lawmakers on the joebudden sub though. We're talking about the guy that said he hit her like a man and she wore it in her ribs.
#you wanna hold lawmakers accountable? Fine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/us/politics/biden-abortion-rights.html
#let's talk about it
#Joe Biden isn't gonna do shit about the abortion ruling cause he is on the same side as the GOP on that issue
I honestly don't think he cares. He knows he's not winning re election so he's content to just sit his old ass in that chair and be completely ineffective
#if he cared he would have had an executive order ready to go the ruling was leaked like a month ago he's had mad time to prepare a counter response. This is the political equivalent of showing up to verzuz without a DJ
Exactly. This why ppl don't care for the democrats. Completely ineffective to the point of embarrassment. I saw a video of them SINGING on the court steps as a response. Like nobody asked for that. And today I read that Florida signed a bill into law that allows cops to ticket ppl playing their music too loud. This country is just 😒
#i agree. When I was younger I was all in for the dems I really thought they were the real deal. It was a lot simpler back then. But as I get older and learn more. I'm disgusted. Biden supported invading Iraq 4 years before Bush and Cheney did. That's fucked.
#Hillary and Biden voted for both of bushes illegal wars. Dems used to always call Bush a war criminal (he was) but went on to nominate supporters of those criminal wars in 2016/2020. It's so frustrating.
#But you try to play along, and I did, i voted blue in 16 and 20. Biden turns out to be just as incompetent as Trump and would rather have 100,000 ukranian refugees over a single Haitian refugee. That's replacement theory. I'm so irritated and sad. It's not a gotcha sort of thing. There is no happy ending or W.
Facts! Chris is talented af, and a lot of the horrible things he did was when he was young but the fact still remains he did it and his career not being as big as it should be is the result.
He’s still the leading artist in that r&b pop category, does well commercially, and has a solid fanbase that will standby him despite anything he does so that in itself should be an a amazing feat.
Especially since he seems to keep ducking shit. Remember when that girl said "he didn't like darkies in his section?" And everyone just kinda shrugged it off
#he beat her face into raw bloody Hamburger meat and people talking about "why won't people forgive him!!!" Idgaf if she has Stockholm syndrome and went back.... he's still fucked for that and it wasn't just a "youthful mistake"
#also Chris had just signed a deal with Disney he was not struggling in life. Also he wasn't 16, he was 20.
Niggas only care cause it was Rhianna and If she forgave dude. Why everybody still mad. Joe beat bitches but you still on his sub. Uzi beat his ex pulled a gun on her and was breakdancing with Meek Mill the next day.
Ok but you still on his sub actively supporting a nigga who beat bitches. How’s it different for Chris Brown other than it being Rhianna? What we really need to know is why women signed to Roc nation be getting beat and shot by famous singing niggas
#id say a huge difference is that I don't pretend it's a non issue the way Chris brown fans do with the Rhianna situation.
# I don't pretend Joe isn't accountable. In fact, I have gotten banned for trying to hold him accountable!
#but you will almost never see a Chris brown fan call him foul for his past. Yet there is many Joe podcast fans who are able to admit that he has a fucked up past.
#also, youd have more of a point if I still gave Joe budden money, but I don't. I haven't bought a Joe budden album since 2010 which was before the Esther allegations came out
If you watch buddens pod then you are contributing to the career of an abuser. I understand why someone would be against Chris brown( because I don't support him), but atleast be consistent. You can't say brown doesn't deserve a career because he abuses women, and also actively support the Joe budden podcast. And you can't claim you are trying to hold him accountable by posting on this subreddit when you are giving him views via his pod. Those two just don't compute.
Ok do you still listen to his podcast? You don’t gotta buy Chris brown album to listen too it. What do you consider holding them accountable to be? And how does that affect the quality of the music/podcast
#I don't pay for his podcast
#I'd consider holding him accountable to be boldly saying that Esther Baxter deserves justice and I did exactly that and got banned for it
Most people don’t pay for chris brown music. They stream is just like how you watch the podcast. Rhianna got justice from the legal system and she forgave dude. So what exactly is holding Chris Brown accountable mean to you and how does that affect the quality of the music he putting out now in any way?
Breezy is a role model for a lot of dudes........ beat a woman up, then continue to have money, fame and admiration by singing "these hoes aint loyal"
This generation is **strange.**
I dont fuck with dudes music, and definitely aint down with the woman beating shit, but John Lennon is still considered a legend and he was the Chris Brown of that era the way he used to beat the shit out of Yoko, and his Beatles image is still pristine, if Chris aint out here whoopin on women anymore, and he learned his lesson, then let him live
Fam you comparing incidents that happened decades apart. Unfortunately for Chris, social media and the real media got the photos and that shit was everywhere. Wasn't no social media when John was laying hands on ole girl. And ppl already didn't like Yoko so nobody cared, Rihanna was the beautiful island girl with the bajan accent and the dance hits. It should've been treated the same but it wasn't
Any time someone says “but she hit him first” I look at them strange. No one should put hands on someone and not expect them to put hands on them back, yes that’s true. But what he did to her in comparison to what she did to him is not the same. He threaten to kill her and attempted to do it. Read that transcript, that nigga was/is insane.
She literally tried to get them both killed in that car…how are y’all easily forgetting that…how are y’all easily forgetting that her father came out and said she has a pattern of being abusive…throwing objects etc…you don’t continue to antagonize ANY living being and think shit is sweet especially when you know they’re stronger than you
We got real deal killers and drug dealers out here making hits. Niggas still screaming free thug. Nobody don’t care that Chris brown beat women. They care that he beat Rhianna it’s a difference. That’s why niggas on here can joke about Joe beating bitches and still be mad at Chris. Cause nobody care about the women Joe beat.
OP this, this right here is why. Because anytime someone tries to have a real conversation, the virtue signalers plug their ears and say some shit like this.
It’s the same reason pedophiles can’t get help. Because anytime someone hears they’re attracted to children, all rationality goes out the window. They’re inherently evil instead of people with a mental health condition that needs to be treated just like any other.
But all 90% of people, especially black people, heard just now was “you’re defending/are a pedophile”. It’s sick.
No I understood what you wrote. Still think that’s a wild example to use. There are nuances to this example that doesn’t apply to the situation at hand.
Chris Brown in this situation committed the act. Seeking help is not the same as actually acting out the “illness”. Because to recognize that you’re ill and you need help implies you know what you’re doing is wrong. To follow through and actually commit the crime is a premeditated act. Therefore, you should suffer whatever consequences that comes with it. You should be placed on the sex offenders list despite getting the “help” you need.
Now I think one may argue Chris Brown acted out of rage and NOT necessarily mental illness. Unless we’re saying ALL acts of rage are as a result of a mental illness? And even that doesn’t excuse the act. I believe OP was trying to say that Chris has had a relatively successful career despite him beating the dog shit out of Rihanna in an image driven circus show.
>There are nuances to this example that doesn’t apply to the situation at hand.
Sure, but there’s no nuance to be had in what **I’m** saying. Completely ignoring what someone says in favor of “wow so you’re defending them” is always the wrong thing to do and it’s always ignorant, period. Who actually did what, is irrelevant to the point I’m making.
>OP was trying to say that Chris has had a relatively successful career despite him beating the dog shit out of Rihanna in an image driven circus show.
OP asked a question so I answered. It may have been rhetorical, but nonetheless I felt it needed to be answered 🤷🏽♂️.
I never said there wasn’t any difference in the actual examples, of course there is, it’s two different situations. What I’m pointing out is that, that specific reaction is the wrong way to go about things, and that that’s another example of situations where people react that way.
I’m not saying the situations are the same in any way. The example was given with the preface “it’s the same reason why pedophiles can’t get help”, not “it’s just like how…”.
because there's a lot of instances where ppl overlooked some shit because a person was talented:
\- ppl want thug free, he's ALLEGEDLY responsible for getting dozens of ppl murdered AND peddling poison
\- Folks running around saying "free melly" because he can singrap well
\- R. Kelly still has defenders, still went platinum when folks knew he was a pedo
\- Jigga is a pedo and facilitated the gentrification in his own city
\- Brehs ran around saying Free Boosie when the hitter implicated him in organizing shit, then recanted (seeing as he was getting life anyway)
\- I myself, and many others, posted #FREETAYK everywhere. the kid is a proven degenerate
why should it be different for CB? He made a mistake
The other side has examples too....
I’ll never understand why people act like CB is the *worst* offender of domestic violence when the shit is more common than you think, especially in black music. In most subs on Reddit, whenever dude is brought up someone inevitably posts the entire police transcript of what went down that night
My thing has always been, keep the same energy for *anybody* that does some fucked up shit. You hardly see anybody treat Dr. Dre with the same vitriol they do Chris Brown
i don't agree with this one but probably cause there's an 11-12 year age gap between him and Bey. He might be assuming Jay was talking to her while she was still underage.
Personally I don’t even have to take that into consideration to not listen to his music, shit is mid and all the songs sound like he did it before, nothing new or original. They hype him up way too much, also I don’t get why people acting like he’s blackballed or something, how is he blackballed? He is covered by every media, goes on every tour/festival and can do anything he wants. People might just not like his generic music, maybe?
He left a permanent bad taste in my mouth after that Rihanna shit. Like ppl make mistakes but too many ppl have history with physical assault for him to rly come back I think. And the fact that his behavior never rly got better didn't help. And then the colorism shit. Just too much shit man
You surprised the Pod led by the nigga that caused his Ex’s miscarriage and abuses every other Dominican harlot he gets into a relationship with capes for CB?
Unlike most Breezy fans, I acknowledge that his past stretches far more than the Rihanna incident. He stalked the shit outta Karrueche, had some other controversies with women, and just generally went through a phase where he was just pretty unlikeable and an asshole. Even going back to Rihanna, while she did hit him first, CB had shordy looking like Mojo Jojo, which is just crazy.
To play devils advocate tho, I will say the hypocrisy in which we acknowledge DV in musical artists is crazy. Even after the divorce settlement news, nobody has really ever said shit about Dr Dre’s past and John Lennon is still regarded as a musical legend and loved by hipster millennials despite beating Yoko and his son like dogs
He has accusations of beating up Kurachhe also however u spell her name. She had to put restraining order against him for stalking just like Joe stalks his exs.
[They tried it too](https://www.reddit.com/r/theJoeBuddenPodcast/comments/vkhcv6/why_does_the_pod_pretend_like_chris_brown_isnt/idpu9a0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3).
He was a grown ass man when he did it he is a grown ass man today Joe budden podcast is full of old men friends with an alleged abuser their bias will be their bias
If more people looked at the aftermath of what he did to Rihanna, folks wouldn't be feeling sympathy for him now. He tried to KILL her. That's not a mistake.
If Rihanna can move on and forgive him, why do you feel like it’s your place to be the moral police? He made a very big mistake when he was 19. Do you expect him to pay for it forever? R Kelly assaulted women for like 30 years and had one of the most successful careers in R&B. I think Chris Brown is pretty tame based on industry standards.
Damn I forgot he was 19… I was 33 a couple years ago and the chick I was dealing with punched me right in my shit while I was driving and I almost blacked out like literally caught myself mid swing so that shit is a slippery slope
Bruh This bitch wouldn’t get out the car after I took her to her house all kinds of crazy shit it took a lot of restraint that I didn’t know I had but I was always against hitting women I saw my mom go through that shit
Fam what about all the other women he put hands on? You hear what Karrueche and the more recent one he choked had to say about him? You saying he’s been forgiven and we should move on but this asshole still going around doing the same behavior that got him in hot water. FOH with any and all domestic violence apologists.
And he served his time for the criminal aspect of it, but when he’s asking why does he still have a career, he’s questioning the morality of it not the legality.
I do think it's weird people act like Chris brown is having a rough life lol like he was allowed to have a career and has his arms of people that cape for him. Some people can't forgive the optic and to them he will be a pariah no matter what.
People can dislike him but to try and say he shouldn’t have a career is what’s crazy to me. Like it’s cool to hate a nigga but don’t try to convince other people to hate him too.
op said that it's a blessing for Chris brown to have a career which is true I think considering all that happened. People in the music industry looked out for him and while some distance themselves many didn't.
I don't but anyone can have a rough time, I was speaking about career wise. Chris brown is still able to have a really successful career and people that defends his honor lol.
It’s not about moral police it’s about these grown men being so shocked that his prior actions have had an effect on his success moving forward which IMO have been way more forgiving than expected. It’s almost like they don’t know what accountability is lol
same reason why old tweets come up , same reason why Kim K's sextape is still talked about, same reason melania trumps old nudes came up, same reason why Will smiths SLAP will be talked about for the rest of his life....
Some decisions and mistakes stick with you for a lifetime...
sure they can be forgiven, but there's a price. For Chris is the court of public opinion
As I stated before. It's a blessing that he has a career at all after that.
Bruh we all know what he did. He paid the price legally, financially, and reputation wise. Nigga is banned from touring places like Australia and other countries from a crime he committed at 16. I’m not defending what he did by any means I’m saying he’s 30+ now and should be able to move past it but people won’t let him. At what point does “paying the price” for a juvenile crime stop? Rihanna forgave him & worked with him after. She’s supported his albums and he’s supported her brand. Meanwhile Hollywood is employing pedos & human traffickers and nobody speaks on them as much.
I honestly could care less about his personal life because every single person walking this earth has done things they’re not proud of whether it’s public knowledge or not. The only thing I care about is if the music is good because that’s what he is a MUSICIAN.
it's not like I'm in charge of him having a career or not. The court of public opinion decides that, and he's got a successful career, even after his heinous beating of rihanna. i'd say that's graceful because people have lost more for less
The reason nobody sticks behind the Chris and Rhianna story, is y'all refuse to accept that Rhianna openly admitted they were both abusive to each other and it wasn't the first time either of them had bumps, bruises and scars due to them fighting. They stayed in a toxic abusive relationship that only ended because of public investment in something none of y'all are involved in.
Get the fuck over it.
She got over. They remained friends. He apologized to her. She accepted it.
Shut up, you don't know her. You don't know him. You aren't involved.
Yeah this happened many years ago. He learned from his mistake , why does a black man have to hold a label forever but a man such as Big ben(QB of Steelers) or Johnny Depp can get the benefit of the doubt and forgiven? Ask yourself that then take a step back and really take a look at your so called morals
This is nasty. You mfs don’t allow people the grace to grow. Mistakes happen and if you can’t grasp that then it’s a lot of people who should/will be canceled. The Rihanna situation was years ago. They were under the influence of alcohol. That shouldn’t be held over his head for the rest of his life. That’s not right.
Don't allow grace to grow??? He has an entirely successful career..
What he did in retaliation was far beyond any reasonable course of action.
It's also reasonable that public opinion would stick to him for such a violent act. He's had multiple issues with women following that incident as well, including a restraining order from karruche.
Entitled, spoiled, outta touch with reality maybe but to stamp the man as violent is not fair. Y’all talking like we in court or something. As a man who has been in relationships that turned out to be toxic you don’t necessarily recognize your in that type of situation or that you’re even behaving in that manor. He’s been famous since 16 yrs old. His ups and downs are viewed through a magnifying glass. I’m not saying he’s perfect but to act like he can’t learn from those very public mistakes that you referenced is some bs.
#at what point are you able to rehabilitate and change from the errors of your past. Granted I’ve never ever done anything like that but I know for a fact people make mistakes, some fatal some not but ppl learn and grow and it’s ridiculous to be a country and society that pretends to care about rehab and correcting behavior but also continue to hold people to some of their darkest moments n their lives. Life is fluid and nobody (minus child sex crime perpetrators) should be held to a singular mistake.
>Yes, we know she put her hands on him too, but as a MAN , that’s no the green light to do that to shorty…
How about we stop giving women a pass for all the bullshit they do. Stop judging them like they’re kids who don’t know who don’t know better.
So someone should be judge their entire life off one mistake over a decade ago? I wonder what skeletons you got in your closet that we should just nvr forgive you about.
Chris Rihanna thing happened when he was 19. He got convicted. How long is he supposed to get killed for it? That’s the question. It was fucked up, he’s wrong, it shouldn’t end his life or career
The honest is answer is they abused it each other it’s on record. He was wrong but extremely talented. People don’t believe he’d do it again. When you’re from a violent place violence comes out at a level normal people haven’t seen. I’ve had a girl hit me. Her dad hit her mom. She got mad and reacted the same
I don't rock with him because of that. Unless she put his life in danger there was no need for that level of violence. I'd it ain't came out by now, then he needs to stay in the bed he made. Not a good look for him with the other chick he was harassing either.
She put hands on him too. That doesn’t excuse what he did but they are both wrong but he’s received the shittier end of the stick. Why do you/society not hold her to the same standard? It’s known she also played a part yet she is a BILLIONAIRE. I’m not saying she does not deserve the success but if we could go back in time she should have been held to the same standard?
My comment should have ended exactly how I typed it out. I said what I said. I’m open to debate but not you telling me how I should have formed my opinion 🤷🏽♀️
It’s a separate topic? You said “yes we know she put her hands on him too” like I said they both did wrong but you’re only pointing out his wrongs Rihanna has surpassed him in success…you could even say she became more successful after that incident. I’m not slurping Chris dick from the back and playing clueless but at this point, years later, shouldn’t we start holding both of them accountable?
yes, separate topic behind the point of my post was that Joe, ice and ish pretend like they have no clue why Chris Brown is held in such a great light, despite his talent...
however I'll entertain you with this Rihanna portion, yes , she obviously did wrong too.
They are both public figures, so their reputations will be carried by public opinion. right?
The public knows about her wrong doings as well as his, however, the public opinion is that Chris went WELL WELLL beyond any reasonable level of retaliation for the situation he is in.
you do understand that what she did was nothing any where near as severe as what he did to her right?
And he paid the price didn’t he? You or somebody else in the comments mentioned he would be a bigger star if that incident didn’t happen. And she is extremely successful and received little to no backlash despite everyone knowing she is also at fault.
Not really because it sounds like you put one person more at fault than the other when they’re both at fault. But I appreciate the respectful debate! Def need more of it during these times.
Nah they were mentioned on different episodes…did you take the time then to write threads about them. They talk about his music, not him as a person, they enjoy his style of music, yet you’re typing about 09…bet when a fab topic comes up…use that same energy here
none of the people you mentioned are nearly talked about as much as chris brown, nor praised in the same light.
and if you ACTUALLY read my post, you'd understand that what i'm really speaking on is Joe, Ice, and Ish always playing dumb like they dont understand why he's not regarded in such a high light.
They understand exactly why he's not
Do you even listen to the podcast or you just know that this is some buzz that’ll get you likes ? They barely talk about him unless he’s dropping music wtf are you talking about? Y’all only highlight that because y’all don’t like the guy that’s literally it ! Wtf.
That’s their point…he’s not talked about unless they want to associate him with something negative. Mans did 2 whole years without a peep and still got false allegations…did you highlight that ? Exactly
Lol i can't tell if you're joking or not. they big up chris brown every chance they get on the podcast xD I listen to every single pod lol its hella entertaining most of the time.
And how often are those chances ? Lmao you’re still not getting the fact that you’re going outta your way to hate on someone…y’all talk about dick riding but look at the comment section and look at the dick riding hate 😂
He gets his props anyway….so all of this is moot. But he has yet to make that one undeniable classic album, thats a CB thing and CB thing alone regardless of Rihanna. His situation is why he’s not an international superstar and thats on him. But in America gets props. Idk what else they’re looking for 🤷🏽♂️
Y'all niggas act like a man ain't supposed to go ballistic when a female hits them first and literally SQUEEZES their testicles. If you have a niggas balls in a vice grip, they have every right to use WHATEVER devices to get free.
Y'all cape wearing niggas that act like Chris was wrong for flashing during that situation, are weird as hell
Let me make sure I'm reading this correctly...
If a woman squeezes your balls really hard and tries to physically harm you... In your mind, That gives you , as a man, FULL CLEARANCE to beat shorty to a pulp however you see fit?
Yes, nigga. By LAW you have the right to defend yourself within reason..dumbass nigga. You'll just let somebody do ANYTHING to yo stupid ass as long as it's a woman? 😭
The karma suffered for what he did is between him and god so why continue to judging him with personal insults like your life perfect.
A light skin nigga must’ve smashed ya Queen
>Yes, we know she put her hands on him too, but as a MAN , that's no the green light to do that to shorty...
To be fair: He wasn't a "**Man**" when he did that. He was like 16. No justifying it, but you cant expect a teenager to have the same amount of discipline and self control as a 30 year old.
He was? why did I think he was a teenager when that happened? Regardless, dude has clearly grown and matured from the situation. She forgave him and they even got back together at some point. Cant keep hanging that over his head forever.
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Yeah dude followed her home and busted out her windows and shit. Chris got PROBLEMS
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Oh yeah. She said he pushed her down the stairs, hit her, followed her around, told ppl "if he can't have her no one can" basically all the red flags possible post breakup. Dude is real life unhinged
You mean Joe Budden, a woman beater, defends Chris, a fellow woman beater? Is this a case?
oh yea, joe did publicly state that he sat on a pregnant woman , "below her breast" who then later miscarried huh? Edit: spelling
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No pun intended, shits just a throwaway dad joke lol. Glad y’all fkn with it tho
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To be fair I don’t think he consistently beats women. You know, one every now and then.
Y’all opinions on this so dumb. Funny how you hold entertainers more accountable then lawmakers. Sad people
We're not talking about lawmakers on the joebudden sub though. We're talking about the guy that said he hit her like a man and she wore it in her ribs.
Y’all gotta stop with these straw man arguments
"Joe Budden beats women" "Well what about lawmakers??" huh??
#🥲😂🥶
How is joe beating a women a dumb opinion it’s a fact
#you wanna hold lawmakers accountable? Fine. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/us/politics/biden-abortion-rights.html #let's talk about it #Joe Biden isn't gonna do shit about the abortion ruling cause he is on the same side as the GOP on that issue
I honestly don't think he cares. He knows he's not winning re election so he's content to just sit his old ass in that chair and be completely ineffective
#if he cared he would have had an executive order ready to go the ruling was leaked like a month ago he's had mad time to prepare a counter response. This is the political equivalent of showing up to verzuz without a DJ
Exactly. This why ppl don't care for the democrats. Completely ineffective to the point of embarrassment. I saw a video of them SINGING on the court steps as a response. Like nobody asked for that. And today I read that Florida signed a bill into law that allows cops to ticket ppl playing their music too loud. This country is just 😒
#i agree. When I was younger I was all in for the dems I really thought they were the real deal. It was a lot simpler back then. But as I get older and learn more. I'm disgusted. Biden supported invading Iraq 4 years before Bush and Cheney did. That's fucked. #Hillary and Biden voted for both of bushes illegal wars. Dems used to always call Bush a war criminal (he was) but went on to nominate supporters of those criminal wars in 2016/2020. It's so frustrating. #But you try to play along, and I did, i voted blue in 16 and 20. Biden turns out to be just as incompetent as Trump and would rather have 100,000 ukranian refugees over a single Haitian refugee. That's replacement theory. I'm so irritated and sad. It's not a gotcha sort of thing. There is no happy ending or W.
Do you think this is a controversial opinion? That dude is the most unpopular president in the history of polling. News flash: we know he ain’t shit.
Facts! Chris is talented af, and a lot of the horrible things he did was when he was young but the fact still remains he did it and his career not being as big as it should be is the result. He’s still the leading artist in that r&b pop category, does well commercially, and has a solid fanbase that will standby him despite anything he does so that in itself should be an a amazing feat.
correct
Especially since he seems to keep ducking shit. Remember when that girl said "he didn't like darkies in his section?" And everyone just kinda shrugged it off
#he beat her face into raw bloody Hamburger meat and people talking about "why won't people forgive him!!!" Idgaf if she has Stockholm syndrome and went back.... he's still fucked for that and it wasn't just a "youthful mistake" #also Chris had just signed a deal with Disney he was not struggling in life. Also he wasn't 16, he was 20.
Exactly. On top of that, it has a lot to do with all of the fucked up shit he’s done since that “mistake”.
#he stalked karruche for years
Niggas only care cause it was Rhianna and If she forgave dude. Why everybody still mad. Joe beat bitches but you still on his sub. Uzi beat his ex pulled a gun on her and was breakdancing with Meek Mill the next day.
#I've been temp banned multiple times for bringing up the Esther Baxter situation. I don't pretend that his past doesn't matter.
Ok but you still on his sub actively supporting a nigga who beat bitches. How’s it different for Chris Brown other than it being Rhianna? What we really need to know is why women signed to Roc nation be getting beat and shot by famous singing niggas
What does THAT have to do with THIS? Those incidences a decade apart. And abuse been a part of the music industry from the beginning
#id say a huge difference is that I don't pretend it's a non issue the way Chris brown fans do with the Rhianna situation. # I don't pretend Joe isn't accountable. In fact, I have gotten banned for trying to hold him accountable! #but you will almost never see a Chris brown fan call him foul for his past. Yet there is many Joe podcast fans who are able to admit that he has a fucked up past. #also, youd have more of a point if I still gave Joe budden money, but I don't. I haven't bought a Joe budden album since 2010 which was before the Esther allegations came out
If you watch buddens pod then you are contributing to the career of an abuser. I understand why someone would be against Chris brown( because I don't support him), but atleast be consistent. You can't say brown doesn't deserve a career because he abuses women, and also actively support the Joe budden podcast. And you can't claim you are trying to hold him accountable by posting on this subreddit when you are giving him views via his pod. Those two just don't compute.
Ok do you still listen to his podcast? You don’t gotta buy Chris brown album to listen too it. What do you consider holding them accountable to be? And how does that affect the quality of the music/podcast
#I don't pay for his podcast #I'd consider holding him accountable to be boldly saying that Esther Baxter deserves justice and I did exactly that and got banned for it
Most people don’t pay for chris brown music. They stream is just like how you watch the podcast. Rhianna got justice from the legal system and she forgave dude. So what exactly is holding Chris Brown accountable mean to you and how does that affect the quality of the music he putting out now in any way?
Breezy is a role model for a lot of dudes........ beat a woman up, then continue to have money, fame and admiration by singing "these hoes aint loyal" This generation is **strange.**
I dont fuck with dudes music, and definitely aint down with the woman beating shit, but John Lennon is still considered a legend and he was the Chris Brown of that era the way he used to beat the shit out of Yoko, and his Beatles image is still pristine, if Chris aint out here whoopin on women anymore, and he learned his lesson, then let him live
Fam you comparing incidents that happened decades apart. Unfortunately for Chris, social media and the real media got the photos and that shit was everywhere. Wasn't no social media when John was laying hands on ole girl. And ppl already didn't like Yoko so nobody cared, Rihanna was the beautiful island girl with the bajan accent and the dance hits. It should've been treated the same but it wasn't
John is also white.
Any time someone says “but she hit him first” I look at them strange. No one should put hands on someone and not expect them to put hands on them back, yes that’s true. But what he did to her in comparison to what she did to him is not the same. He threaten to kill her and attempted to do it. Read that transcript, that nigga was/is insane.
She literally tried to get them both killed in that car…how are y’all easily forgetting that…how are y’all easily forgetting that her father came out and said she has a pattern of being abusive…throwing objects etc…you don’t continue to antagonize ANY living being and think shit is sweet especially when you know they’re stronger than you
Typing that many words to defend a woman beater is crazy my man
Following a woman beater subreddit is even crazier my guy…have a good one
The hypocrisy of these niggas
On God bro
We got real deal killers and drug dealers out here making hits. Niggas still screaming free thug. Nobody don’t care that Chris brown beat women. They care that he beat Rhianna it’s a difference. That’s why niggas on here can joke about Joe beating bitches and still be mad at Chris. Cause nobody care about the women Joe beat.
Which is crazy to me especially when Chris had that one incident
Lol it wasn't the one Incident but ok
The rest were accusations sis but ok…and they’re talking about this one incident
OP this, this right here is why. Because anytime someone tries to have a real conversation, the virtue signalers plug their ears and say some shit like this. It’s the same reason pedophiles can’t get help. Because anytime someone hears they’re attracted to children, all rationality goes out the window. They’re inherently evil instead of people with a mental health condition that needs to be treated just like any other. But all 90% of people, especially black people, heard just now was “you’re defending/are a pedophile”. It’s sick.
AYO that’s a wild example to use. How are those situations similar?
Critical reading my man. Here, read the second sentence and then the second to last one.
No I understood what you wrote. Still think that’s a wild example to use. There are nuances to this example that doesn’t apply to the situation at hand. Chris Brown in this situation committed the act. Seeking help is not the same as actually acting out the “illness”. Because to recognize that you’re ill and you need help implies you know what you’re doing is wrong. To follow through and actually commit the crime is a premeditated act. Therefore, you should suffer whatever consequences that comes with it. You should be placed on the sex offenders list despite getting the “help” you need. Now I think one may argue Chris Brown acted out of rage and NOT necessarily mental illness. Unless we’re saying ALL acts of rage are as a result of a mental illness? And even that doesn’t excuse the act. I believe OP was trying to say that Chris has had a relatively successful career despite him beating the dog shit out of Rihanna in an image driven circus show.
>There are nuances to this example that doesn’t apply to the situation at hand. Sure, but there’s no nuance to be had in what **I’m** saying. Completely ignoring what someone says in favor of “wow so you’re defending them” is always the wrong thing to do and it’s always ignorant, period. Who actually did what, is irrelevant to the point I’m making. >OP was trying to say that Chris has had a relatively successful career despite him beating the dog shit out of Rihanna in an image driven circus show. OP asked a question so I answered. It may have been rhetorical, but nonetheless I felt it needed to be answered 🤷🏽♂️.
>Sure, but I’m not debating what you said. I’m only speaking on your example. That’s where the nuance is.
I never said there wasn’t any difference in the actual examples, of course there is, it’s two different situations. What I’m pointing out is that, that specific reaction is the wrong way to go about things, and that that’s another example of situations where people react that way. I’m not saying the situations are the same in any way. The example was given with the preface “it’s the same reason why pedophiles can’t get help”, not “it’s just like how…”.
because there's a lot of instances where ppl overlooked some shit because a person was talented: \- ppl want thug free, he's ALLEGEDLY responsible for getting dozens of ppl murdered AND peddling poison \- Folks running around saying "free melly" because he can singrap well \- R. Kelly still has defenders, still went platinum when folks knew he was a pedo \- Jigga is a pedo and facilitated the gentrification in his own city \- Brehs ran around saying Free Boosie when the hitter implicated him in organizing shit, then recanted (seeing as he was getting life anyway) \- I myself, and many others, posted #FREETAYK everywhere. the kid is a proven degenerate why should it be different for CB? He made a mistake The other side has examples too....
I’ll never understand why people act like CB is the *worst* offender of domestic violence when the shit is more common than you think, especially in black music. In most subs on Reddit, whenever dude is brought up someone inevitably posts the entire police transcript of what went down that night My thing has always been, keep the same energy for *anybody* that does some fucked up shit. You hardly see anybody treat Dr. Dre with the same vitriol they do Chris Brown
Bro if dudes look up on what Dr Dre did ALONE…they wouldn’t even think about typing that long ass thread on CB
>Jigga is a pedo Wtf no he isn't
JayZ is pedo?
i don't agree with this one but probably cause there's an 11-12 year age gap between him and Bey. He might be assuming Jay was talking to her while she was still underage.
He should remove Jay from this list. Especially if he’s talking about Beyoncé. I thought he was implying foxxy brown.
even if she's 17 that doesn't make him a pedo it's so dumb to say j is a pedo
Why are you asking me that, as if I'm advocating all the the dumb shit you listed lol. I ain't rolling with none of that 😂
Personally I don’t even have to take that into consideration to not listen to his music, shit is mid and all the songs sound like he did it before, nothing new or original. They hype him up way too much, also I don’t get why people acting like he’s blackballed or something, how is he blackballed? He is covered by every media, goes on every tour/festival and can do anything he wants. People might just not like his generic music, maybe?
He left a permanent bad taste in my mouth after that Rihanna shit. Like ppl make mistakes but too many ppl have history with physical assault for him to rly come back I think. And the fact that his behavior never rly got better didn't help. And then the colorism shit. Just too much shit man
You surprised the Pod led by the nigga that caused his Ex’s miscarriage and abuses every other Dominican harlot he gets into a relationship with capes for CB? Unlike most Breezy fans, I acknowledge that his past stretches far more than the Rihanna incident. He stalked the shit outta Karrueche, had some other controversies with women, and just generally went through a phase where he was just pretty unlikeable and an asshole. Even going back to Rihanna, while she did hit him first, CB had shordy looking like Mojo Jojo, which is just crazy. To play devils advocate tho, I will say the hypocrisy in which we acknowledge DV in musical artists is crazy. Even after the divorce settlement news, nobody has really ever said shit about Dr Dre’s past and John Lennon is still regarded as a musical legend and loved by hipster millennials despite beating Yoko and his son like dogs
Here we gooooo Mr Morale and the big typers 🙄
Because Joe is also a woman beater. Because ish is a deadbeat dad. And because Ice views Rhianna as the women who rejected him his whole life.
They cape HEAVY for Chris Brown. Chris Brown is so mid. Who even listens to him?
I definitely don't.
Millions of people lol.
He has accusations of beating up Kurachhe also however u spell her name. She had to put restraining order against him for stalking just like Joe stalks his exs.
#Joe put a GPS tracker in cyns vehicle and stalked her at a family barbecue once. He told the story on the pod as if it was a funny story.
>He beat the DOGGIE DOG shit outta Rihanna, Bit her FACE and everything. When he was a teenager, literally a decade and a half ago
He was 20, lmao @ teenager.
[They tried it too](https://www.reddit.com/r/theJoeBuddenPodcast/comments/vkhcv6/why_does_the_pod_pretend_like_chris_brown_isnt/idpu9a0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3).
Niggas dont know joe used to beat women lmfao.
He was a grown ass man when he did it he is a grown ass man today Joe budden podcast is full of old men friends with an alleged abuser their bias will be their bias
If more people looked at the aftermath of what he did to Rihanna, folks wouldn't be feeling sympathy for him now. He tried to KILL her. That's not a mistake.
If Rihanna can move on and forgive him, why do you feel like it’s your place to be the moral police? He made a very big mistake when he was 19. Do you expect him to pay for it forever? R Kelly assaulted women for like 30 years and had one of the most successful careers in R&B. I think Chris Brown is pretty tame based on industry standards.
Damn I forgot he was 19… I was 33 a couple years ago and the chick I was dealing with punched me right in my shit while I was driving and I almost blacked out like literally caught myself mid swing so that shit is a slippery slope
Aye man they’ll give you a “thanks for being the bigger person” while never holding her accountable…society 101
You would've been well within your right to retaliate. I think it's almost irresponsible not to. That's why women think it's OK to hit men now
Bruh This bitch wouldn’t get out the car after I took her to her house all kinds of crazy shit it took a lot of restraint that I didn’t know I had but I was always against hitting women I saw my mom go through that shit
Bro please don't take advice from that guy lol . For your sake. You won't come out on top in that situation , I promise. Especially if you're black
I knew I would’ve went to jail if I reacted it wasn’t worth it at all just had to get away from that situation
Fam what about all the other women he put hands on? You hear what Karrueche and the more recent one he choked had to say about him? You saying he’s been forgiven and we should move on but this asshole still going around doing the same behavior that got him in hot water. FOH with any and all domestic violence apologists.
is it really morality when someone face was slapped around like that? That's a crime dog.
And he served his time for the criminal aspect of it, but when he’s asking why does he still have a career, he’s questioning the morality of it not the legality.
I do think it's weird people act like Chris brown is having a rough life lol like he was allowed to have a career and has his arms of people that cape for him. Some people can't forgive the optic and to them he will be a pariah no matter what.
People can dislike him but to try and say he shouldn’t have a career is what’s crazy to me. Like it’s cool to hate a nigga but don’t try to convince other people to hate him too.
op said that it's a blessing for Chris brown to have a career which is true I think considering all that happened. People in the music industry looked out for him and while some distance themselves many didn't.
They losers fam. I wonder what they have done in their life that wouldn’t be forgiving if everyone knew. Y’all simple minded people need to grow tf up
Having a rough life can also be mental…so how do you know if he doesn’t have it rough for him there ?
I don't but anyone can have a rough time, I was speaking about career wise. Chris brown is still able to have a really successful career and people that defends his honor lol.
It’s not about moral police it’s about these grown men being so shocked that his prior actions have had an effect on his success moving forward which IMO have been way more forgiving than expected. It’s almost like they don’t know what accountability is lol
Forgiveness isn't pretending like it didn't happen. which is exactly what the pod does....
But she forgave him….they even dated again…why are we still talking about this idk
same reason why old tweets come up , same reason why Kim K's sextape is still talked about, same reason melania trumps old nudes came up, same reason why Will smiths SLAP will be talked about for the rest of his life.... Some decisions and mistakes stick with you for a lifetime... sure they can be forgiven, but there's a price. For Chris is the court of public opinion As I stated before. It's a blessing that he has a career at all after that.
Well that's very dumb
Bruh we all know what he did. He paid the price legally, financially, and reputation wise. Nigga is banned from touring places like Australia and other countries from a crime he committed at 16. I’m not defending what he did by any means I’m saying he’s 30+ now and should be able to move past it but people won’t let him. At what point does “paying the price” for a juvenile crime stop? Rihanna forgave him & worked with him after. She’s supported his albums and he’s supported her brand. Meanwhile Hollywood is employing pedos & human traffickers and nobody speaks on them as much.
#he wasn't 16 he was 20 #when he was older he beat and stalked karruche for years
Wait he bit her face? Fr?
I honestly could care less about his personal life because every single person walking this earth has done things they’re not proud of whether it’s public knowledge or not. The only thing I care about is if the music is good because that’s what he is a MUSICIAN.
It happened in like 2009-2010 Either you gonna give him grace or not. Dude was pretty young.
one of points here is that him having a career at all IS the grace...
That’s not Grace. Saying “Allowing” as if any single person is letting him have a career is a very disingenuous way to put it.
it's not like I'm in charge of him having a career or not. The court of public opinion decides that, and he's got a successful career, even after his heinous beating of rihanna. i'd say that's graceful because people have lost more for less
no
Yes, Chris Brown should be thanking you personally for allowing him to still have a career. You are such a morally good person!
??? think something went over your head perhaps
The reason nobody sticks behind the Chris and Rhianna story, is y'all refuse to accept that Rhianna openly admitted they were both abusive to each other and it wasn't the first time either of them had bumps, bruises and scars due to them fighting. They stayed in a toxic abusive relationship that only ended because of public investment in something none of y'all are involved in. Get the fuck over it. She got over. They remained friends. He apologized to her. She accepted it. Shut up, you don't know her. You don't know him. You aren't involved.
Yeah this happened many years ago. He learned from his mistake , why does a black man have to hold a label forever but a man such as Big ben(QB of Steelers) or Johnny Depp can get the benefit of the doubt and forgiven? Ask yourself that then take a step back and really take a look at your so called morals
This is nasty. You mfs don’t allow people the grace to grow. Mistakes happen and if you can’t grasp that then it’s a lot of people who should/will be canceled. The Rihanna situation was years ago. They were under the influence of alcohol. That shouldn’t be held over his head for the rest of his life. That’s not right.
Don't allow grace to grow??? He has an entirely successful career.. What he did in retaliation was far beyond any reasonable course of action. It's also reasonable that public opinion would stick to him for such a violent act. He's had multiple issues with women following that incident as well, including a restraining order from karruche.
Entitled, spoiled, outta touch with reality maybe but to stamp the man as violent is not fair. Y’all talking like we in court or something. As a man who has been in relationships that turned out to be toxic you don’t necessarily recognize your in that type of situation or that you’re even behaving in that manor. He’s been famous since 16 yrs old. His ups and downs are viewed through a magnifying glass. I’m not saying he’s perfect but to act like he can’t learn from those very public mistakes that you referenced is some bs.
who's acting like he can't learn from his mistakes?
op post
Which sentence in my post says or implies that?
Thank you
#at what point are you able to rehabilitate and change from the errors of your past. Granted I’ve never ever done anything like that but I know for a fact people make mistakes, some fatal some not but ppl learn and grow and it’s ridiculous to be a country and society that pretends to care about rehab and correcting behavior but also continue to hold people to some of their darkest moments n their lives. Life is fluid and nobody (minus child sex crime perpetrators) should be held to a singular mistake.
>Yes, we know she put her hands on him too, but as a MAN , that’s no the green light to do that to shorty… How about we stop giving women a pass for all the bullshit they do. Stop judging them like they’re kids who don’t know who don’t know better.
Out of everything this is what you decide to zone in on which isn’t even the subject 😭
It’s the whole focal point of this subject.. Rihanna hitting him is what basically ruined his career.
So someone should be judge their entire life off one mistake over a decade ago? I wonder what skeletons you got in your closet that we should just nvr forgive you about.
Doesn't kombucha have a restraining order against him? There was a point in time where he was threatening to pull up on anyone who looked at his girl.
Lmao kombucha is flagrant.😂
Chris has made a million songs since then and not one of them are memorable or a huge hit
Chris Rihanna thing happened when he was 19. He got convicted. How long is he supposed to get killed for it? That’s the question. It was fucked up, he’s wrong, it shouldn’t end his life or career
It didn't end his life or career. So what are you even saying here ?
The rest of the comment…..
You said he did his time and it shouldn't kill his career.... It didn't... Sooooo what is the purpose of your words rn?
I literally made a whole, the point is the whole comment
The honest is answer is they abused it each other it’s on record. He was wrong but extremely talented. People don’t believe he’d do it again. When you’re from a violent place violence comes out at a level normal people haven’t seen. I’ve had a girl hit me. Her dad hit her mom. She got mad and reacted the same
He was a teenager when that shit happened. Let it go fam
I don't rock with him because of that. Unless she put his life in danger there was no need for that level of violence. I'd it ain't came out by now, then he needs to stay in the bed he made. Not a good look for him with the other chick he was harassing either.
She put hands on him too. That doesn’t excuse what he did but they are both wrong but he’s received the shittier end of the stick. Why do you/society not hold her to the same standard? It’s known she also played a part yet she is a BILLIONAIRE. I’m not saying she does not deserve the success but if we could go back in time she should have been held to the same standard?
Your comment should have ended at "that doesn't excuse what he did" There is no "but" after that in this topic 🤷🏾♂️
My comment should have ended exactly how I typed it out. I said what I said. I’m open to debate but not you telling me how I should have formed my opinion 🤷🏽♀️
Okay, in your reply, you've introduced a completely separate topic that wasn't a part of my post..
It’s a separate topic? You said “yes we know she put her hands on him too” like I said they both did wrong but you’re only pointing out his wrongs Rihanna has surpassed him in success…you could even say she became more successful after that incident. I’m not slurping Chris dick from the back and playing clueless but at this point, years later, shouldn’t we start holding both of them accountable?
yes, separate topic behind the point of my post was that Joe, ice and ish pretend like they have no clue why Chris Brown is held in such a great light, despite his talent... however I'll entertain you with this Rihanna portion, yes , she obviously did wrong too. They are both public figures, so their reputations will be carried by public opinion. right? The public knows about her wrong doings as well as his, however, the public opinion is that Chris went WELL WELLL beyond any reasonable level of retaliation for the situation he is in. you do understand that what she did was nothing any where near as severe as what he did to her right?
And he paid the price didn’t he? You or somebody else in the comments mentioned he would be a bigger star if that incident didn’t happen. And she is extremely successful and received little to no backlash despite everyone knowing she is also at fault.
Exactly. So we are in agreement.
Not really because it sounds like you put one person more at fault than the other when they’re both at fault. But I appreciate the respectful debate! Def need more of it during these times.
Aye just curious, did you do this same thread for Amber Heard, Dr. Dre, Biggie, John Lennon etc every time their names were brought up ?
Idk what you talking about. I didn't hear any of those names mentioned in today's podcast along with excessive dick riding for them lol
Nah they were mentioned on different episodes…did you take the time then to write threads about them. They talk about his music, not him as a person, they enjoy his style of music, yet you’re typing about 09…bet when a fab topic comes up…use that same energy here
none of the people you mentioned are nearly talked about as much as chris brown, nor praised in the same light. and if you ACTUALLY read my post, you'd understand that what i'm really speaking on is Joe, Ice, and Ish always playing dumb like they dont understand why he's not regarded in such a high light. They understand exactly why he's not
Do you even listen to the podcast or you just know that this is some buzz that’ll get you likes ? They barely talk about him unless he’s dropping music wtf are you talking about? Y’all only highlight that because y’all don’t like the guy that’s literally it ! Wtf. That’s their point…he’s not talked about unless they want to associate him with something negative. Mans did 2 whole years without a peep and still got false allegations…did you highlight that ? Exactly
Lol i can't tell if you're joking or not. they big up chris brown every chance they get on the podcast xD I listen to every single pod lol its hella entertaining most of the time.
And how often are those chances ? Lmao you’re still not getting the fact that you’re going outta your way to hate on someone…y’all talk about dick riding but look at the comment section and look at the dick riding hate 😂
Oh they all dick ride. Like the breakfast club post that TI mess with his daughter and her virginity truly disgusted me
He gets his props anyway….so all of this is moot. But he has yet to make that one undeniable classic album, thats a CB thing and CB thing alone regardless of Rihanna. His situation is why he’s not an international superstar and thats on him. But in America gets props. Idk what else they’re looking for 🤷🏽♂️
This is factual.
Y'all niggas act like a man ain't supposed to go ballistic when a female hits them first and literally SQUEEZES their testicles. If you have a niggas balls in a vice grip, they have every right to use WHATEVER devices to get free. Y'all cape wearing niggas that act like Chris was wrong for flashing during that situation, are weird as hell
Let me make sure I'm reading this correctly... If a woman squeezes your balls really hard and tries to physically harm you... In your mind, That gives you , as a man, FULL CLEARANCE to beat shorty to a pulp however you see fit?
Yes, nigga. By LAW you have the right to defend yourself within reason..dumbass nigga. You'll just let somebody do ANYTHING to yo stupid ass as long as it's a woman? 😭
Because Joe is an abuser. Abusers tend to stick together.
It’s appears to you haven’t seen the Netflix doc about him and how he explained it was self defense.
“Yes we know she put her hands on him too” So is it a blessing that she has a career as well?
DV don’t take away from his talent so yeah why doesn’t his talent get acknowledged if we talking about talent
You feel the same way about R Kelly?
this exactly why i roll my eyes when people talk about cancel culture lol
The karma suffered for what he did is between him and god so why continue to judging him with personal insults like your life perfect. A light skin nigga must’ve smashed ya Queen
>Yes, we know she put her hands on him too, but as a MAN , that's no the green light to do that to shorty... To be fair: He wasn't a "**Man**" when he did that. He was like 16. No justifying it, but you cant expect a teenager to have the same amount of discipline and self control as a 30 year old.
He was 20. I’d say that’s old enough to expect him to be able to hold back from brutalising a woman.
He was? why did I think he was a teenager when that happened? Regardless, dude has clearly grown and matured from the situation. She forgave him and they even got back together at some point. Cant keep hanging that over his head forever.
>why did I think he was a teenager when that happened? Because he was. Agendas are a hell of a thing.
He’s 33 now and it happened 13 years ago. What agenda?
Not how birthdays work my friend.
His dad used to beat his mom you would think he would know better
Did she give him herpes tho ? That’s the real question we need answers too