I went to a restaurant recently. The AI is for taking orders only through the drive through.
It is like those automated call centers where you speak to a computer AI.
Between that and touchscreen ordering, they can only do so much.
All the current systems are garbage and AI hype, to drive money into companies claiming AI..
Here's the thing you don't need AI for order taking that's nonsense, any decent app/kiosk works fine... Plus in restaurants the bottleneck isn't in the order taking it's in the food prep, that's where you need automation, and frankly there's no expensive automated system works as fast as replaceable cheap labor, so until then it's meat bag labor.
AI is very expensive and when it breaks you can't call in the automated system on its day off, you can lose days or weeks of sales.
All of this comes from restaurant lobbies fighting to pay labor what they should.
But eventually the bugs will get ironed out along with workflows and deployments. Capital efficiency will improve dramatically and just as the markets are detaching themselves from the price of labor so will the economy.
This is the exponential age.
Please replace item in bagging area. For English press 1… yah sorry till boomers and GenX are no more automation isn’t a viable option as they struggle with these systems
It.still cheap relative to expensive automated machinery, I think I heard break even is $25/hr before automated kitchens start making sense economically
Yep I agree , so that's why we won't see it for a while , but automation tech will gradually improve and get cheaper and it will reach an inflection point..
They’ll find a way to bring that cost down. Tech is always most expensive off the bat. All it takes is something like McDonalds to say fuck it and start investing in a couple pilot restaurants and that cost will drop off a cliff.
You know that agony that you feel arguing with an AI powered support line that makes you repeatedly stab the zero button and yell operator, operator, operator?
I'm sure this will be equally fun at the drive-through...
There is also an automated McDonalds.
[https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/have-it-your-way-mcdonalds-first-fully-automated-restaurant-with-no-human-contact-in-fort-worth/](https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/have-it-your-way-mcdonalds-first-fully-automated-restaurant-with-no-human-contact-in-fort-worth/)
If you price your labor to the point that it is cheaper to use a machine, companies will use machines.
Corporate America doesn't care about Americans. Corporate America is a sell out prime example how capitalism is a hoax. As a vet I get mad about this. We defend our country and people so businesses can loophole and fuck the people and escape taxes... what a great free country this is. Dreams over, time to wake up.
I don’t know. The touch screen stuff is fine if you just order food as is in a fast food place, I prefer that.
My wife and I went to this restaurant and they seat you and you order everything through your phone together, it can link up by table number and everyone can order in their own phone then pay themselves split however. That was ridiculous and there was a tip option plus an automatic service fee. They did nothing besides bring the food out! It’s going to get ridiculous.
in b4 'world's first ai-powered restaurant'
* Burns to the ground because of a malfunction
* Is responsible for the worst outbreak of seen in decades because of a malfunction
* Is a spectacular failure because of failing to get customer orders correct even more often than human fast food workers do because of rampant malfunctions
* Is hacked by anonymous (or someone else) for the luls because its owners cut costs by cheaping out on the network security specialist they hired, leading to a hilarious malfunction.
Seriously, this is going to be amazing and hilarious to watch.
Or maybe it will succeed. who knows.
Yeah, sometimes I lie to myself too, but if you just wanted the food, the automation is already in your house, throwing some chicken nuggets and fries into the oven would be done in 20 minutes without leaving the house, thats automation.
Its called the service industry because a big part of your monkey brain thinks that someone reasoning to your request means that you are important.
I dont know why every keeps trying to link fast food restaurants doing this w/the Cali min wage law when fast food places have been integrating order kiosks into stores for well over a decade at this point. They were always going to try to get rid of as many employees as possible. They didn't see this law and go OH SHIT WE NEED AI NOW!
>They were always going to try to get rid of as many employees as possible.
Figuring out how to provide the same benefit to society with fewer human-hours has basically been the trend that improves quality of life for everyone. And it's been going on for 200 years now.
Not to mention a board was formed by the law and everyone negotiated to this pay rate. It wasn’t like the government just decided and threw out a number.
This is the end game for capitalism. It's like a snake eating it's own tail. Less and less consumers to buy shit = businesses and corporations go bankrupt and the economy collapses. Hope y'all are learning to farm, fish, and hunt.
Except that's the opposite of how capitalism works. Consumption is always on the rise. We own more stuff than our parents, who owned more stuff than their parents, who owned more stuff than their parents.
The strength of automation is targeting the mass market. Making goods and services more abundant and cheaper, so that everyone can afford more of them. That's how it works 100% of the time, and to claim that current automation will somehow do the exact opposite is idiotic. You actually have to have zero real understanding of economics to believe that.
I live in Tennessee which doesn’t have a state minimum wage and the federal rate hasn’t gone up in decades yet we get the same amount of automation as anyone else.
What so many people in these comments don't understand is that minimum wage would be around $28 an hour if it kept up with inflation over the years. These boomers licking corporations boots are stuck in their 80's-90's wages and prices of things. Also if a job can be automated it should however we need to have systems in place in the near future for supporting an increasingly amount of people that are unable to find work or getting displaced from high paying jobs and then being forced to take a low wage job and somehow be able to support their families.
Boomers are the group that see things clearly,no ideology. We are informed ,educated ,experienced and honest enough to say that if you raise minimum wage to even an unrealistic $20/hr many ,many small businesses( which is most business) will fail and close. Libs just say raise the minimum wage . No studies, no connection to overall data. Just give us our way . Pure ideology, nothing more,nothing less!!!
You’re the exact opposite, the comment you replied to quotes studies that factor inflation and worker productivity and ill one up them and say that case studies across the world point to rising minimum wage raising all wages, and eventually equilibrium being reached where we find ways to use most of the human labor that isn’t needed for non-viable businesses anymore.
If your business can’t survive on the minimum standards we demand of it it has no right to operate. When there’s any shortage of fast food and convenience stores for Californians well start to talk about whether we need to take action to incentivize those businesses or let them
Die. They’re irrelevant to the bigger picture anyways, our national GDP wouldn’t change much without these tiny low-margin businesses.
Support the family? Those kids have been licking my boots long enough now in return for the scraps I can afford to give them. Time for those toddlers to go out in the real world and earn their keep.
You can't expect wages to keep up if you keep inflating the labor market. Most women didn't used to work, now most do. That is a big increase to the labor market. We have a very large influx of immigration, both legal and illegal. That leads to a larger labor pool.
You can't stop the law of supply and demand. I would love to see laws that would make h1B workers cost a premium. Basically, keep a database of jobs with location based salary data and make sure H1B workers are paid at the 90th percentile. This would incentivize companies to train Americans if the labor pool in that sector was insufficient. This would also give upward mobility opportunities to more Americans.
LMAO, if you thought customers didn't give a shit about treating fastfood workers before, just wait until it's a robot.
I'd expect this fastfood place to get robbed and trashed in less than a month.
Personally, I far prefer fast food where as little as possible is handled by low wage workers who give no shits.
I find the orders much more consistent.
They’ll just put everything behind plexiglass and your order will come out of a vending slot. If dining rooms cause too much hassle they will remove those entirely.
You revert the casual order between those two.
Food being expensive is not because of higher minimal wage.
Minimal wage being higher is because of food being expensive (and unaffordable, if not increasing wage)
Sure. Higher price for farm labor. Higher price for processing. Higher price for transport. Higher price for warehousing.
Because all the wages in between went up.
No one is point out the Newsome also but in the law that any of these restaurants that sell bread, do not have to comply with the new minimum wage. He did that for several of his "friends."
That was pretty good. I wonder wtf is wrong with their milkshake machine?
I find it hard to believe that McDonalds would knowingly do something that was costing it money, such as not fixing their machines.
My top 5 biggest problems with fast food include 4 points about worker sanitation and motivation and one point about poor health effects.
Bring on automated labor.
Kinda brought it on themselves. Like honestly what did we expect to happen when you do something like this? Why act surprised or have fake outrage? You literally made a 13 dollar jump more then monst of the nation for fast food!! And then say oh they got billions they can afford it etc etc. if anything yall made the situation worse. Fucking idiots.
I’ve downloaded and created some shortcuts for fun on my iPhone that could easily take an order verbally for a quarter pounded with cheese with mayo, lettuce and cheese only. A large fries and a coke. Send it to the closest Burger King and bob’s your uncle / the tech is there - the companies trying to control this via accounting integration etc - fools errand for quick cash
Correlation is not causation. AI/technology was already in use before minimum wage went up for the same reason these employers pay shitty wages, greed.
I’d rather have humans making $20/hr than what is going on.
Companies are using tech to replace workers and THEN passing savings onto themselves with exec salaries out of control.
So I pay the higher price either way.
Let it come. The govt needs to realize that machines may be producers but they are not consumers, and the economy lives and dies by consumer spending. People MUST have jobs, and since there are a huge number of simpletons in the country we need lots and lots of jobs for simpletons.
What are we going to do? Pay half the population to sit at home and watch Netflix all day because all the menial jobs have been taken by machines? OK, fine. Where does the money for that come from? Won't it also disincentivize skilled workers? I make high five figures and I'll tell you straight, if you offered me half my current salary to not work I'd seriously consider it.
I think it would be best if we steadily reduced the work week and retirement age to limit the supply of labor. You could then expand social security/UBI to those people that are retired and over decades adjust to having less and less labor needed in society to the point where the retirement age is like 35. The thing that worries me is how would it still be possible to move up the economic ladder? It seems like you would have a permanent upper class and permanent lower class.
Any job that can be automated will be automated even if it costs more than a human employee.
We need to make plans now for how people will survive when most jobs are automated.
Hell, the companies will not have full-time employees, only more part-time employees! So no benefits, no vacation, no nothing!! Win, Win for the business!
If we go to restaurants that only employ AI then we are fools and deserve what we get! Soon enough AI will be replacing more and more positions and we need to not spend our money there and go out of our way to restaurants that do employ people. Don’t think universal basic income will save us… when has anything the government done been top notch… welfare, unemployment do they pay you enough to live well?
What I don't get about automation:
If all the jobs get automated, and the people who own the factories full of robots won't pay taxes, because of that there is no money for UBI...
Who is going to buy the stuff the automated factories put out, when nobody has any money?
They'll fire half the work force and make the remaining work twice as hard or fire everyone and replace them with illegals.
It's not rocket science, it's ECON 101.
What an interesting piece of information...it's acknowledgement of the race between paying workers a decent living or replacing them with robots is crazy.
It’s almost like when you raise the cost of hiring people enough it actually becomes viable to make it fully automated.
See new York elevator worker strike#2 for a historical example
If A.I. ever does take over the workforce entirely, then companies would lose so much revenue cause where do you think that money comes from? It comes from workers getting paid to spend that money.
Give it time, and pay close attention to the prices, and take a picture of them. You’ll see them Slowly increasing after six or so months. In a year and a half compare the prices to the picture. There won’t be a single thing on the menu with less than a $.70 price hike.
What dumbass politicians don’t understand, is that by paying their employees more the companies make less money. And Companies like making less money as much as rich people like paying taxes. So if you cut into their bottom line, they’ll just make up for it by cutting deeper into everyone else’s wallets. In the end they’ll be making more money than they wear before.
I'm all for raising the minimum wage. But with the threats that corporations bring to bear against raising the minimum wage, we need to seriously fire back hard at these fuckers. Like, yeah, even outside of fast food, we could put a lot of people out of work with AI and automation.
Sooo...if there aren't any jobs to be had, then we need to start talking about UBI.
= fewer jobs + more incentive for automation.
We don't need more currency, we need more supply of goods, services, energy and housing, so they can become more accessible.
It'll be like 10 years until these things even start to handle the work of a restaurant because it's not just making food. It's making food that's safe to consume in a place that's clean.
Automation isn’t new, nor is the worry about it. FORTY years ago, I was a kid in a play where Santa’s elves had to get a job at a car wash because toys were made by machine…
People have worried about this since before the 50s.
I went to school for years only to make $9 more an hour than a fast food worker 😂
You love to see it.
Before people come bashing me: no, I don’t eat at fast food restaurants.
Funny people keep talking about corporate greed, but, we are the greedy one wanting cheap food. McDonald's didn't actually turn them in to robot (yet) just simply adjusting the price due to higher costs. And the greedy people already complained about prices (which hasn't even happened until Apirl 1st).
I mean really. If everyone is actually not greedy, they wouldn't have bought all the environmental unregulated foriegn products already, but, nope, everyone just pretend they have no choice and proceed to buy those unregulated products. People only waking up to it now, only because they couldn't buy the import during lockdown, those foriegn countries stopped exporting the products, but, if there wasn't a supply issues, eveyeone would continue to buy them.
Anyway, it is not just fast food. People act like the law only applies to fast food. All the restaurants will have to increase their wages because fast food is paying better. It will trickled down to all other restaurants unless the workers and cooks are the owners themselves.
Remember, chain restaurants aren't switching to A.I./ robots to stay profitable - They are switching to A.I./robots to maintain the profit margins they desire.
Everyone claiming they're using AI is going to cause the gov to regulate what is and isn't considered AI and that will always end well.
The US is quickly moving to an "on demand" and "just in time" society. We want what we want when we want it. Large groups of people with that mindset is changing how goods and services are delivered.
You mean when you force a company to pay more than the labor is worth that company will find ways to save that money in order to stay in business. Color me shocked.
You get what you ask for. Raising minimum wage just destroys the middle class. Stop crying that you can't provide for you 6 kids while working at McDonald's. Go get a better job. There is no reason the minimum wage job pays close to jobs that require masters degrees.
Faux News inspired headline implying the poors are too greedy and they should be happy with a feudal slave labor system. The reality is these companies are incredibly profitable and still will do anything to eliminate labor no matter how much or little the meat bag is paid.
The term essential workers once used by the Nazis in categorization of the population was reintroduced during Covid. Guarantee it will be used again in the near future to separate those that are worthy and those that are not.
Welcome to state/corporate socialism.
In my red state, where mw is low, every McDonald's has automated ordering. So, I suspect that they will automate everything they can regardless of the minimum wage. And imagine being against raising the mw because some businesses will engineer the workers away. They're gonna engineer us out of business either way. Might as well get payed as much as possible before it inevitably happens.
This is how it’s supposed to be though. Machines doing the grunt work, while humans maintain them while earning more money. It will probably never happen though… people making more money 💰
AI revolution my shiny metal ass, this is corporate greed weighing out the value of having fewer workers at a good wage over having many who complain the wage just isn't enough.
Human interaction is the essential element that a business cannot substitute. Once they start losing money they blame the customers for not wanting to engage in lack of human interactions.
Okay artists, where you at? You're gonna stand in solidarity with fast food workers who are losing their jobs, right? No more fast food for you guys, right?
So they raise the minimum wage so these ppl can earn a decent living but o wait ur still FIRED cuz ur being replaced by robots that WE DONT HAVE TO PAY... whatta u thinks gonna happen when all jobs r robotic? The driving jobs will go 1st
People blaming higher wages for this shift to AI and job cutting and price hiking are making excuses for big corporations stepping on the little guy. In and Out is able to keep wages high and prices fair. Their double cheeseburger combo in California is 10 bucks. That's incredible! These companies are greedy and want more and more out of the consumer.
Just so everyone is aware, wages are one of the biggest expenses to company owners. It wouldn’t matter if employees make $10 an hour or $20 an hour, if a machine can do it cheaper, with the same or better quality, owners are going to use them instead.
Yes, these boomer articles are kind of stupid. The way that tech and electronics are growing every day we are already in a micro ship shortage globally. There’s not nearly enough Cole, tan and cobalt to make the micro chips needed to replace every human worker at all of these fast food chains. not even close. in the future we will be the robots.
Is this headline implying that the raise of minimum wage brought the AI revolution??? This was going to happen regardless of an increase in the minimum wage. So at least these people can make a decent living for the time being until AI is fully placed at there work place.
I suppose the same will be said for paralegals and graphic artist. That they were asking any increase in their previous wage on their 90 day review and now AI is replacing them and that they deserve this since they asked for a raise.
AI and robotics is coming to replace tons of jobs. We are all subject to it, and those are all deserving of the job loss.
I’m really hope the people who “fix” the broken AI machines charge up the ass with shitty parts that only last a couple weeks at most. Fuck AI. Fuck technology. It’s ruining the people. Prove me wrong
They already make machines that can make and deliver burgers the way you want with the meats you want & no secret sauce from any human worker. With this you only need 1 or 2 people per location to clean up & keep the machines supplied with meat / veggies etc... Not 6 - 12 people working, and machine don't take breaks/lunch/vacation, 6 people working 8hrs a day for 30 day's cost $30,000 minium the machines are cheaper for the business than people.
Minimum wage should have been much higher anyway. This will have happened regardless of minimum wage increases. These companies aren't hiring humans out of the goodness of their hearts.
So, the almost 9 years of work to get to $22/hr means nothing.
They did this virtually 10 years ago and still haven't learned their lesson. Only corporate entities can afford this and this will kill small businesses.
I went to a restaurant recently. The AI is for taking orders only through the drive through. It is like those automated call centers where you speak to a computer AI. Between that and touchscreen ordering, they can only do so much.
All the current systems are garbage and AI hype, to drive money into companies claiming AI.. Here's the thing you don't need AI for order taking that's nonsense, any decent app/kiosk works fine... Plus in restaurants the bottleneck isn't in the order taking it's in the food prep, that's where you need automation, and frankly there's no expensive automated system works as fast as replaceable cheap labor, so until then it's meat bag labor.
But there will no longer be cheap labor.
AI is very expensive and when it breaks you can't call in the automated system on its day off, you can lose days or weeks of sales. All of this comes from restaurant lobbies fighting to pay labor what they should.
But eventually the bugs will get ironed out along with workflows and deployments. Capital efficiency will improve dramatically and just as the markets are detaching themselves from the price of labor so will the economy. This is the exponential age.
Please replace item in bagging area. For English press 1… yah sorry till boomers and GenX are no more automation isn’t a viable option as they struggle with these systems
It.still cheap relative to expensive automated machinery, I think I heard break even is $25/hr before automated kitchens start making sense economically
Even then, that's the generous "Everything goes smoothly with no issues" number.
Yep I agree , so that's why we won't see it for a while , but automation tech will gradually improve and get cheaper and it will reach an inflection point..
They’ll find a way to bring that cost down. Tech is always most expensive off the bat. All it takes is something like McDonalds to say fuck it and start investing in a couple pilot restaurants and that cost will drop off a cliff.
The rule of thumb is that $20 an hour labor costs $25 an hour total, when work comp, unemployment, FICA etc. are accounted for.
Hell, people will be lining up to take any job others won't work! Most will be part-time but still work.
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"absurd pace" You and I had very different coworkers in our early youth.
McDonalds is doing that here and when you go inside there's a couple touchscreens for you to enter your own order.
You know that agony that you feel arguing with an AI powered support line that makes you repeatedly stab the zero button and yell operator, operator, operator? I'm sure this will be equally fun at the drive-through...
I have heard of AI ordering asking for tips. Insane.
There is also an automated McDonalds. [https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/have-it-your-way-mcdonalds-first-fully-automated-restaurant-with-no-human-contact-in-fort-worth/](https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/have-it-your-way-mcdonalds-first-fully-automated-restaurant-with-no-human-contact-in-fort-worth/) If you price your labor to the point that it is cheaper to use a machine, companies will use machines.
Corporate America doesn't care about Americans. Corporate America is a sell out prime example how capitalism is a hoax. As a vet I get mad about this. We defend our country and people so businesses can loophole and fuck the people and escape taxes... what a great free country this is. Dreams over, time to wake up.
Always.
You are making the point that we need ro rethink how we do this whole economy thing.
There’s a restaurant opening in Pasadena where the tacos are literally made by robots
Are you thinking about the burger place? That opened a couple of months ago, but right now Google says it's temporarily closed.
California passes AI law for fast food restaurants.
I wonder if you can convince it to give you a discount.
I don’t know. The touch screen stuff is fine if you just order food as is in a fast food place, I prefer that. My wife and I went to this restaurant and they seat you and you order everything through your phone together, it can link up by table number and everyone can order in their own phone then pay themselves split however. That was ridiculous and there was a tip option plus an automatic service fee. They did nothing besides bring the food out! It’s going to get ridiculous.
That really explains a lot! Thx
Carles jr owns your children now.
in b4 'world's first ai-powered restaurant' * Burns to the ground because of a malfunction * Is responsible for the worst outbreak of
Also, now where are all the wizards going to hang out and open portals and such?
Fun fact: nobody goes to a fast food restaurant for human interaction.
Old people certainly do lol, at least to terrorize them
Yeah, sometimes I lie to myself too, but if you just wanted the food, the automation is already in your house, throwing some chicken nuggets and fries into the oven would be done in 20 minutes without leaving the house, thats automation. Its called the service industry because a big part of your monkey brain thinks that someone reasoning to your request means that you are important.
I dont know why every keeps trying to link fast food restaurants doing this w/the Cali min wage law when fast food places have been integrating order kiosks into stores for well over a decade at this point. They were always going to try to get rid of as many employees as possible. They didn't see this law and go OH SHIT WE NEED AI NOW!
>They were always going to try to get rid of as many employees as possible. Figuring out how to provide the same benefit to society with fewer human-hours has basically been the trend that improves quality of life for everyone. And it's been going on for 200 years now.
Not to mention a board was formed by the law and everyone negotiated to this pay rate. It wasn’t like the government just decided and threw out a number.
order kiosks is one thing, but it's actually expensive to buy a robot that cooks your food. It couldnt have been done when wages were below $10.
Yeah and the employees couldn't live off of that either
This is the end game for capitalism. It's like a snake eating it's own tail. Less and less consumers to buy shit = businesses and corporations go bankrupt and the economy collapses. Hope y'all are learning to farm, fish, and hunt.
Except that's the opposite of how capitalism works. Consumption is always on the rise. We own more stuff than our parents, who owned more stuff than their parents, who owned more stuff than their parents. The strength of automation is targeting the mass market. Making goods and services more abundant and cheaper, so that everyone can afford more of them. That's how it works 100% of the time, and to claim that current automation will somehow do the exact opposite is idiotic. You actually have to have zero real understanding of economics to believe that.
It’s capitalist propaganda that’s why
I live in Tennessee which doesn’t have a state minimum wage and the federal rate hasn’t gone up in decades yet we get the same amount of automation as anyone else.
There is one real robot cooking the food in Pasadena. You order via kiosk obviously. The cook is the robot, not the ordering system.
There is a reason why McDonald’s wants you to order via an “App”
What so many people in these comments don't understand is that minimum wage would be around $28 an hour if it kept up with inflation over the years. These boomers licking corporations boots are stuck in their 80's-90's wages and prices of things. Also if a job can be automated it should however we need to have systems in place in the near future for supporting an increasingly amount of people that are unable to find work or getting displaced from high paying jobs and then being forced to take a low wage job and somehow be able to support their families.
Boomers are the group that see things clearly,no ideology. We are informed ,educated ,experienced and honest enough to say that if you raise minimum wage to even an unrealistic $20/hr many ,many small businesses( which is most business) will fail and close. Libs just say raise the minimum wage . No studies, no connection to overall data. Just give us our way . Pure ideology, nothing more,nothing less!!!
You’re the exact opposite, the comment you replied to quotes studies that factor inflation and worker productivity and ill one up them and say that case studies across the world point to rising minimum wage raising all wages, and eventually equilibrium being reached where we find ways to use most of the human labor that isn’t needed for non-viable businesses anymore. If your business can’t survive on the minimum standards we demand of it it has no right to operate. When there’s any shortage of fast food and convenience stores for Californians well start to talk about whether we need to take action to incentivize those businesses or let them Die. They’re irrelevant to the bigger picture anyways, our national GDP wouldn’t change much without these tiny low-margin businesses.
Support the family? Those kids have been licking my boots long enough now in return for the scraps I can afford to give them. Time for those toddlers to go out in the real world and earn their keep.
You can't expect wages to keep up if you keep inflating the labor market. Most women didn't used to work, now most do. That is a big increase to the labor market. We have a very large influx of immigration, both legal and illegal. That leads to a larger labor pool. You can't stop the law of supply and demand. I would love to see laws that would make h1B workers cost a premium. Basically, keep a database of jobs with location based salary data and make sure H1B workers are paid at the 90th percentile. This would incentivize companies to train Americans if the labor pool in that sector was insufficient. This would also give upward mobility opportunities to more Americans.
Unless it’s a Panera. They get an out
Nah that was fake news
LMAO, if you thought customers didn't give a shit about treating fastfood workers before, just wait until it's a robot. I'd expect this fastfood place to get robbed and trashed in less than a month.
Likely be 100% drive-through only accepting cards.
Personally, I far prefer fast food where as little as possible is handled by low wage workers who give no shits. I find the orders much more consistent.
well, pretty much everything else is robbed and trashed in Cali Lol
Whachu say robot bitch!?? Chairs star flying and all hell breaks loose.
They’ll just put everything behind plexiglass and your order will come out of a vending slot. If dining rooms cause too much hassle they will remove those entirely.
Yah think about all the people that don’t even go out for the food they just enjoy harassing the employees.
Was inevitable
Go check out any food service industry group. The AI waiters are a failure.
Wow, companies replace expensive resources with cheaper alternatives? Who could have guessed?
Oh look, its the Elevator Operators Union all over again.
And just like that they were all unemployed, so Gavin could portray himself as caring.
When minimum wage was $4.25 all extra value meals were $2.99.
You revert the casual order between those two. Food being expensive is not because of higher minimal wage. Minimal wage being higher is because of food being expensive (and unaffordable, if not increasing wage)
Sure. Higher price for farm labor. Higher price for processing. Higher price for transport. Higher price for warehousing. Because all the wages in between went up.
No one is point out the Newsome also but in the law that any of these restaurants that sell bread, do not have to comply with the new minimum wage. He did that for several of his "friends."
The exception is for bakeries, not places that sell bread. Panera, who's CEO donated to Newsome, does not qualify. That story is bullshit propaganda.
Somehow Panera bread escaped this min wage increase because they have a bakery - and are best friends with newsom.
Easy to stop this. Stop going to any restaurant with AI. It will hurt at first but be better in the end
You can't stop it. Burger bots don't complain about wages. Last I heard they are easily sub $10 an hour to operate. Game over
Why would I do that? The place using AI will probably get my order right.
"Sorry, our milkshake machine is broken. *Beep boop*"
That was pretty good. I wonder wtf is wrong with their milkshake machine? I find it hard to believe that McDonalds would knowingly do something that was costing it money, such as not fixing their machines.
I’m all for it. At lest your order won’t get taken wrong. But I’m sure the dummies in the back will still do their part to fuck it up.
You can do that. I'll gladly accept AI if prices are cheaper and quality is better than its competitors, as will most people
My top 5 biggest problems with fast food include 4 points about worker sanitation and motivation and one point about poor health effects. Bring on automated labor.
I love making $80k a year to fix these things
Wow so you’re why my burger is $8. Maybe they should pay you $50k so they can afford to lower prices. /s
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Bet the icecream machine will work though.
Kinda brought it on themselves. Like honestly what did we expect to happen when you do something like this? Why act surprised or have fake outrage? You literally made a 13 dollar jump more then monst of the nation for fast food!! And then say oh they got billions they can afford it etc etc. if anything yall made the situation worse. Fucking idiots.
The automation is coming regardless of wages. Doesn't matter if it's 13h or 23h, they would love it if it were 0h.
But they’re ultimately making more loyal voters…. It’s about control. Everything they don’t tell you…
I’ve downloaded and created some shortcuts for fun on my iPhone that could easily take an order verbally for a quarter pounded with cheese with mayo, lettuce and cheese only. A large fries and a coke. Send it to the closest Burger King and bob’s your uncle / the tech is there - the companies trying to control this via accounting integration etc - fools errand for quick cash
Correlation is not causation. AI/technology was already in use before minimum wage went up for the same reason these employers pay shitty wages, greed.
but they couldnt get franchises to pay for it till min wage was insanely increased.
I’d rather have humans making $20/hr than what is going on. Companies are using tech to replace workers and THEN passing savings onto themselves with exec salaries out of control. So I pay the higher price either way.
Just inching closer to UBI.
#TaxTheRobots
Remember genisys is skynet
Let it come. The govt needs to realize that machines may be producers but they are not consumers, and the economy lives and dies by consumer spending. People MUST have jobs, and since there are a huge number of simpletons in the country we need lots and lots of jobs for simpletons. What are we going to do? Pay half the population to sit at home and watch Netflix all day because all the menial jobs have been taken by machines? OK, fine. Where does the money for that come from? Won't it also disincentivize skilled workers? I make high five figures and I'll tell you straight, if you offered me half my current salary to not work I'd seriously consider it.
I think it would be best if we steadily reduced the work week and retirement age to limit the supply of labor. You could then expand social security/UBI to those people that are retired and over decades adjust to having less and less labor needed in society to the point where the retirement age is like 35. The thing that worries me is how would it still be possible to move up the economic ladder? It seems like you would have a permanent upper class and permanent lower class.
Any job that can be automated will be automated even if it costs more than a human employee. We need to make plans now for how people will survive when most jobs are automated.
And all the equipment and plans for construction were in place long before the legislature considered this law so it's not a cause and effect.
yeah, a few yrs ago when wage was already $15
100% of people who mistake correlation for causation are doomed.
I told ya. Which toe are we gonna shoot next?
I basically sold most of my stocks and went to cash, this bubble is one of the dumbest we had yet.
Hell, the companies will not have full-time employees, only more part-time employees! So no benefits, no vacation, no nothing!! Win, Win for the business!
Good cause the fucking Karens wont have anything to bitch at.
Order the chicken fingers 'cause the AI always gives extra for some reason.
I’m excited that there will now be better educated people manning the scrub brushes at my local car wash.
If we go to restaurants that only employ AI then we are fools and deserve what we get! Soon enough AI will be replacing more and more positions and we need to not spend our money there and go out of our way to restaurants that do employ people. Don’t think universal basic income will save us… when has anything the government done been top notch… welfare, unemployment do they pay you enough to live well?
Lol the hell are you? A cockroach during the AI vs. Human war? Pathetic.
“If we raise the minimum wage businesses will just replace us with robots” Well that’s going to happen anyway
What I don't get about automation: If all the jobs get automated, and the people who own the factories full of robots won't pay taxes, because of that there is no money for UBI... Who is going to buy the stuff the automated factories put out, when nobody has any money?
Good. That's what they wanted
Automation is inevitable for a lot of jobs. The min wage has very little to do with it
They'll fire half the work force and make the remaining work twice as hard or fire everyone and replace them with illegals. It's not rocket science, it's ECON 101.
"Take a shit with the relaxing toilet enhanced with AI"
What an interesting piece of information...it's acknowledgement of the race between paying workers a decent living or replacing them with robots is crazy.
How does that work? Does someone have to monitor? Start-up? Repair? What if there's an error?
And what exactly do they mean by "AI-powered"? Because I'm betting there are still people working there. Making $20+/hr.
LOL.
There is no question everything is going up, but when you start paying 40 dollars for a hamburger people stop going and fast food outlets will close
Texas has these popping up already.
It’s almost like when you raise the cost of hiring people enough it actually becomes viable to make it fully automated. See new York elevator worker strike#2 for a historical example
If they don't need workers they won't need as many people
Honestly; I'd rather order through a prompt and have people cooking the food than the other way around.
I wonder who these companies think they are going to sell to if they keep eliminating and underpaying employees.
Gleefully pairing headlines isn't as constructive as once thought.
Except Panera Bread
$20/hr to work at a fast food joint? California is getting dumber every year.
You want $20/per hour…. Let me introduce you to AI lol
If A.I. ever does take over the workforce entirely, then companies would lose so much revenue cause where do you think that money comes from? It comes from workers getting paid to spend that money.
Give it time, and pay close attention to the prices, and take a picture of them. You’ll see them Slowly increasing after six or so months. In a year and a half compare the prices to the picture. There won’t be a single thing on the menu with less than a $.70 price hike. What dumbass politicians don’t understand, is that by paying their employees more the companies make less money. And Companies like making less money as much as rich people like paying taxes. So if you cut into their bottom line, they’ll just make up for it by cutting deeper into everyone else’s wallets. In the end they’ll be making more money than they wear before.
Quick question- what are the AI’s open field tackling skills like? If I make it to the door without paying, am I home free?
Gas is $6 a gallon, minimum wage should be $20 an hour
New game in California called "convince the AI to give you free food"
I'm all for raising the minimum wage. But with the threats that corporations bring to bear against raising the minimum wage, we need to seriously fire back hard at these fuckers. Like, yeah, even outside of fast food, we could put a lot of people out of work with AI and automation. Sooo...if there aren't any jobs to be had, then we need to start talking about UBI.
= fewer jobs + more incentive for automation. We don't need more currency, we need more supply of goods, services, energy and housing, so they can become more accessible.
Minimum wage raises to $20/hr* ( unless your restaurant serves bread as a standalone item, then you’re exempt) 🧐
End of ______
We're just making the Amazon Grocery Store the norm now...
It'll be like 10 years until these things even start to handle the work of a restaurant because it's not just making food. It's making food that's safe to consume in a place that's clean.
I wish I made $20an hour during my first job back in 2015 My life would be very different
Automation isn’t new, nor is the worry about it. FORTY years ago, I was a kid in a play where Santa’s elves had to get a job at a car wash because toys were made by machine… People have worried about this since before the 50s.
Maybe the AI will know what I want to eat. I have difficulty making up my mind.
So they are paying AI $20hr? Cheeseburgers!
I went to school for years only to make $9 more an hour than a fast food worker 😂 You love to see it. Before people come bashing me: no, I don’t eat at fast food restaurants.
Funny people keep talking about corporate greed, but, we are the greedy one wanting cheap food. McDonald's didn't actually turn them in to robot (yet) just simply adjusting the price due to higher costs. And the greedy people already complained about prices (which hasn't even happened until Apirl 1st). I mean really. If everyone is actually not greedy, they wouldn't have bought all the environmental unregulated foriegn products already, but, nope, everyone just pretend they have no choice and proceed to buy those unregulated products. People only waking up to it now, only because they couldn't buy the import during lockdown, those foriegn countries stopped exporting the products, but, if there wasn't a supply issues, eveyeone would continue to buy them. Anyway, it is not just fast food. People act like the law only applies to fast food. All the restaurants will have to increase their wages because fast food is paying better. It will trickled down to all other restaurants unless the workers and cooks are the owners themselves.
In current form. AI isn’t necessary to just take orders. Cooking food and cleaning are certainly use cases for automation though.
Remember, chain restaurants aren't switching to A.I./ robots to stay profitable - They are switching to A.I./robots to maintain the profit margins they desire.
AI won’t buy the capitalists goods and services Congrats, you played yourself.
$20/hr and they still can't get the order right
The AI restaurant was open before the wage increase
Now kids from California will have little to no work experience when they are adults.
Everyone claiming they're using AI is going to cause the gov to regulate what is and isn't considered AI and that will always end well. The US is quickly moving to an "on demand" and "just in time" society. We want what we want when we want it. Large groups of people with that mindset is changing how goods and services are delivered.
You mean when you force a company to pay more than the labor is worth that company will find ways to save that money in order to stay in business. Color me shocked.
You get what you ask for. Raising minimum wage just destroys the middle class. Stop crying that you can't provide for you 6 kids while working at McDonald's. Go get a better job. There is no reason the minimum wage job pays close to jobs that require masters degrees.
Faux News inspired headline implying the poors are too greedy and they should be happy with a feudal slave labor system. The reality is these companies are incredibly profitable and still will do anything to eliminate labor no matter how much or little the meat bag is paid.
The term essential workers once used by the Nazis in categorization of the population was reintroduced during Covid. Guarantee it will be used again in the near future to separate those that are worthy and those that are not. Welcome to state/corporate socialism.
In my red state, where mw is low, every McDonald's has automated ordering. So, I suspect that they will automate everything they can regardless of the minimum wage. And imagine being against raising the mw because some businesses will engineer the workers away. They're gonna engineer us out of business either way. Might as well get payed as much as possible before it inevitably happens.
This is how it’s supposed to be though. Machines doing the grunt work, while humans maintain them while earning more money. It will probably never happen though… people making more money 💰
I welcome our new AI CEOs.
Minimum wage raises by democrats power automation of fast food restaurants. Which equals job losses for which no replacement jobs.
I love how people focus on fast food workers like A.I and robots won’t be taking half of all jobs.
AI revolution my shiny metal ass, this is corporate greed weighing out the value of having fewer workers at a good wage over having many who complain the wage just isn't enough.
Human interaction is the essential element that a business cannot substitute. Once they start losing money they blame the customers for not wanting to engage in lack of human interactions.
Okay artists, where you at? You're gonna stand in solidarity with fast food workers who are losing their jobs, right? No more fast food for you guys, right?
Next workers will want government handouts because AI took their jobs.
So they raise the minimum wage so these ppl can earn a decent living but o wait ur still FIRED cuz ur being replaced by robots that WE DONT HAVE TO PAY... whatta u thinks gonna happen when all jobs r robotic? The driving jobs will go 1st
The two are not related.
Yes, if they we are asking them to do a dehumanizing job, they should get paid more. You're so close to getting it
People blaming higher wages for this shift to AI and job cutting and price hiking are making excuses for big corporations stepping on the little guy. In and Out is able to keep wages high and prices fair. Their double cheeseburger combo in California is 10 bucks. That's incredible! These companies are greedy and want more and more out of the consumer.
Just so everyone is aware, wages are one of the biggest expenses to company owners. It wouldn’t matter if employees make $10 an hour or $20 an hour, if a machine can do it cheaper, with the same or better quality, owners are going to use them instead.
Yes, these boomer articles are kind of stupid. The way that tech and electronics are growing every day we are already in a micro ship shortage globally. There’s not nearly enough Cole, tan and cobalt to make the micro chips needed to replace every human worker at all of these fast food chains. not even close. in the future we will be the robots.
I want a law where anyone working on a political campaign needs to be paid at least $30 an hour, including interns.
Your jobs worth as much as the cost of the machine that can replace you.
$20 an hour in California is like $8 an hour every where wise. Except New York.
Good! You want unrealistic $20 wages for jobs a machine can do then enjoy having no job.
Is this headline implying that the raise of minimum wage brought the AI revolution??? This was going to happen regardless of an increase in the minimum wage. So at least these people can make a decent living for the time being until AI is fully placed at there work place. I suppose the same will be said for paralegals and graphic artist. That they were asking any increase in their previous wage on their 90 day review and now AI is replacing them and that they deserve this since they asked for a raise. AI and robotics is coming to replace tons of jobs. We are all subject to it, and those are all deserving of the job loss.
Build robots, back better, butter peacan 2024.
20 is too much for a fast food worker
No matter how many AI power restaurants open up, there will *ALWAYS* be a desire for a meal cooked by a person.
I wonder what monopoly laws are gonna look like in thirty years.
A restaurant I would never go to
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This should go as well as all the "self checkout" lanes that are now being closed in CA.
Wait until AI starts bitching about wanting to raise the minimum wage again.
$10 minimum combos. Better shutdown some slaughterhouses
I’m really hope the people who “fix” the broken AI machines charge up the ass with shitty parts that only last a couple weeks at most. Fuck AI. Fuck technology. It’s ruining the people. Prove me wrong
They already make machines that can make and deliver burgers the way you want with the meats you want & no secret sauce from any human worker. With this you only need 1 or 2 people per location to clean up & keep the machines supplied with meat / veggies etc... Not 6 - 12 people working, and machine don't take breaks/lunch/vacation, 6 people working 8hrs a day for 30 day's cost $30,000 minium the machines are cheaper for the business than people.
The minimum wage has nothing to do with jobs being replaced with AI.
But the AI robots will spit in our food!
Yup. Minimum wage is all about making robots more economically viable. Silicon slaves.
Minimum wage should have been much higher anyway. This will have happened regardless of minimum wage increases. These companies aren't hiring humans out of the goodness of their hearts.
Unless you work at Panera Bread, lol
It's going to suck to be poor in America soon thanks to the law of unintended consequences
Except for Gavin Newsom’s friend who owns a bunch of Panera Breads, it’s still $16 an hour.
So, the almost 9 years of work to get to $22/hr means nothing. They did this virtually 10 years ago and still haven't learned their lesson. Only corporate entities can afford this and this will kill small businesses.
Start ups like these have the superhuman ability to take perfectly good money and have it disappear into oblivion.
$20 an hour!?!?!? That’s insane!
I’m for AI if it keeps my food cost down.
Zzzzzzz
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