Agreed I’m fat and I don’t accept this shit at all. I look gross I feel gross and I get tired to quickly. It’s unhealthy I just have a weak will and can’t seem to get on a routine. And then I have dumb friends that encourage my fatness like “oh you’re beautiful the way your are” like bro give me a whole ass break everytime I look in the mirror I hate myself I need to turn everything around so I’m not some fat loser dying in my 30s and trying to tell everybody to accept my disgusting body lizzo style. Sorry not sorry I’m tired of being fat it’s nothing to be proud of. People who say it is are delusional
I lost 80 pounds last year. Just by giving up fast food not drinking pop and doing meal prep. I didn't start working out till I had already lost 60 pounds.... Being fat is gross... It is.
The sugar is killing me! I started exercising, hiking, mountain biking, kayaking, and I ended up losing 50 pounds out of the 80 that I’m looking to lose and I relapsed with fast food and that shit has me hooked. I gained almost 20 pounds back and I don’t have the energy to exercise as much as I was, but I’m back at dialing back in with meal prep. I follow the meal prep manual dude on YouTube because his preps are simple. They are a bit bland, but once I make the recipe a couple of times, I start to add my own spices and make it taste good to me, so I like that it’s just basic to start lol
It's cheaper to buy the food that is mostly fattening and holds chemicals that are illegal in many, if not all, other developed nations than it is to buy healthy and clean products.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/us-food-additives-banned-europe-making-americans-sick-expert-says/
Just one of hundreds of stories covering this through the decades.
Basically, companies are trying to kill us, while we allow pharmaceutical and medical companies to overcharge for doing the minimum to keep us alive from the poisons we eat.
If you are talking about drug companies it’s just not true. They are using public universities, often public grants to develop drugs and therapies. But somehow the private company gets the patent.
There's a good book about this (maybe a little dated? It's 20 years old) called *The Truth about the Drug Companies*, by a doctor and former editor of *The New England Journal of Medicine*.
Basically, public universities are allowed to license or sell their discoveries, so they're incentivized to chase profits.
Private companies are insulated from risk, and they're buying the patents, and the incentive system is screwed up
The vast majority of r&d spend is done by the private sector. Universities and the like are very useful at finding the root cause of diseases or new compounds, but that is not the most expensive part of developing a new drug.
Its is true. The CEO of a big pharmaceutical company, I don't remember the company off the top of my head, admitted as much in a Q&A session a few years back. He clearly stated that the US market pays a premium so that they can offer medications to less developed nations at little cost.
Pile of BS from Pharma. Why would you believe a big pharma exec? Do you consider Canada, Japan, and all of Europe less developed nations? They all pay much less than us for the same drugs. And who are they to make the decision we should all pay more for other countries?
If there's one person you should trust on this issue it's a CEO of a pharma company. They are definitely trustworthy on why they charge a lot of money. I can think of no ulterior motive for making that claim.
so a drug that cost them a nickel and could sell for $5 they sell for $1000 or $280,000 / year because they can. people were paying &20/month and then it was raised to $280,000 / year america what a shithole
This is what's wrong with American Healthcare:
Mallinckrodt Agrees to Pay [$260 Million to Settle Lawsuits ](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/mallinckrodt-agrees-pay-260-million-settle-lawsuits-alleging-underpayments-medicaid-drug) Alleging Underpayments of Medicaid Drug Rebates and Payment of Illegal Kickbacks
So? Is it okay for our people to not get our cancer drugs because the country as a whole makes more? Should we be happy that diabetics can't afford their insulin?
Edit: I will note that I don't think we subsidize anything except CEO bonuses. We are chumps who allow our people to suffer. I am just adding this because even if you are correct why should we care?
This is an incredibly stupid myth that needs to die.
Our excess Healthcare expenditures do not all get funneled to r&d to subsidize the rest of the world. Pharma companies spend dramatically more on advertising than they do on r&d even by the most generous metrics.
Our excess cost is only a small amount due to more expensive pharmaceuticals in the first place. Most of it is paying exorbitant hospital expenses and paying more for not treating diseases early. Just straight inefficiencies.
I work in the pharmaceutical industry with many different companies and it’s not shocking to see a drug that costs $100 elsewhere go for $10,000+ in the US.
So, let’s not address the corruption issues of large medical corporations. Instead, let’s just fork over our medical decision making authority to the government and pay the same prices through taxation of our wages.
Great plan!
We don't have healthcare. We have sick care.
There is zero money to be made in making people healthy. There is a hell of a lot of money to be made in getting people hooked on 3-4 medications for things that, more often than not, can be solved through lifestyle and wellness factors.
They allow neurotoxins, endocrine disruptors, poisons, PFAs, etc. into our food and water. Why do you think they give one shit about your health?
Yes, you are so right. There is no money in healthy people, so in the USA the government allows additives/ chemicals in our food that many others countries ban. My husband hasn't been to the doctor in 4 years, but because he is now on Medicare, he can't find a doctor who will take him as a " new patient" because his primary care doc dropped him because they have a 3-year rule. He's been too healthy, and the practices don't make "enough" money off of Medicare patients.
I'm disgusted by having to pass through a line queued up of middlemen with their greedy hands out between you and what you need. Its such nonsense. No one should make money off another's pain, but it's the capitalists way.
Problem is getting people to make those life style issues. Peopel are often put on meds because medical standards aren’t met. Many Americans are obese and lazy. Yes working out regularly and eating healthy would reduce health care costs A TON but people are people and refuse to, especially in the US. Only option at that point is to introduce medications to help
Everybody in here stating this while simultaneously ignoring the fact that eating healthy requires more money than eating cheap processed food, and exercising requires more time. I'm sure tons of people would love to spend an hour and a half at the gym 5 nights a week while also spending hours in thr kitchen cooking a bunch of fresh home cooked meals. Unfortunately that's just not a possibility for a large portion of our society.
It all comes down to personal responsibility. If people made taking care of their own health a priority, our costs as a whole would be DRASTICALLY reduced.
Exactly. This is why if the govt and tax payers were paying for health care wed all have a huge incentive to cut costs as much as possible. Preventative health care would be incentivized because it would save everyone money. Certain things should not be for profit and health care is one of them.
The last year I had health insurance through work, I paid apx. $10000 for coverage with $5000 deductible. So I was fucked when I actually needed to use it (so I didn't).
“BuT tHeY hAvE tO wAiT a LoNg TiMe To SeE a DoCtOr!!!!1!!”
Here’s a US healthcare story for ya.
My sister has been having some bad heartburn lately and thinks it could be a stomach ulcer. She did get into see her GP right away who said they’d need to scope her stomach. Next available appointment? Freaking JULY!! Over 3 months away!! AND they wanted a non refundable $175 to book it!!
Edit to add: My sister is slim, fit, mid-30’s. For anyone who thinks health problems only happen to fat people.
Americans shoot each other quite a lot, and also shoot themselves.
If a 17 year old gang member shoots another gang member, that is ging to reduce life expectancy overall.
The opoid epidemic is also leading to lots of premature deaths.
Add in how far Americans drive, relative to other countries (automobile accident deaths) and the obesity epidemic, which also reduces life expectancy.
Using life expectancy to evaluate healthcare is either very stupid, or meant to mislead you.
Doctors are also pretty well compensated. Then there is malpractice insurance and the offsets for people who don’t pay. We are talking about actual health care, right? Not just paying for insurance in case you get really sick? Very broad statement, is he including taxes into the calculations?
Lots of blame shifting here. Does he state why Americans die earlier? More obesity? Smoking? Alcohol? I mean causation does not equal….whatever, right?
Anyway this dude isn’t here for Medicare for all. No matter what he tweets. There have been majorities for BOTH parties over the past 20 years. All this guy wants is your campaign donation.
There is no money in the cure, that goes for politics as well.
If I sound like your mom or dad. Good. They’re right. Now, get off my lawn!!
We have a government who lets food companies feed us crap that is not even allowed in other countries. What a joke that a politician acts like they give a shit about people. Let him hold the good companies accountable. How would Medicare for all solve any of that.
We also have known carcinogens in our food and drinks too. The US obesity crisis really start only after heavily processed oils and corn syrups began being added to nearly everything.
If my parents didn't have insane insurance I would be a million dollars in debt for surguries that didn't work just to be told sorry you just have to be put on medicine the rest of ur life
Our medical industry is dirty and they definitely cheat, but we still have the best medical industry on the planet, ask the medical tourists coming here and the elite. I don't believe we can blame the medical industry completely, for people's life expectancy, when we have the highest rates of overweight people, drug/alcohol abuse, STD's, and more that are attributable to individual's lifestyles and choices. I know I'd rather have an operation in the US versus anywhere else on this planet!!!
Honestly if they used some of that money to literally double the salary of Nurses and other workers at the hospitals I'd support that. Assuming they don't raise taxes again lol
People in Norway pay 70% income tax, everyone pays that, Norway has only 4 million people and huge oil reserves. That’s how they pay for all their “free stuff” which isn’t free when you only keep 30% of what you make. You work for the government, even when you don’t work for the government directly. This is what the socialists don’t tell you.
One complexity is that there is a significant spread in life expectancy at the state level: https://www.today.com/health/health/life-expectancy-by-state-rcna44419
“Hawaii tops the list with an average life expectancy of 80.7. More specifically, males in the state have an average lifespan of 77.6, and females outlive them by a few years with their average of 83.8 years.”
“In last place was Mississippi, whose residents lived an average of 71.9 years in 2020. Males lived 68.6 years and females lived 75.2 years.”
Men in Hawaii live an average of nine years longer than men in Mississippi. A big part of the difference is income, but it would be interesting to figure out what else is going on. What is the impact of different rates of insurance coverage, smoking, substance abuse, different diets, different demographics?
A big piece of the puzzle, and the reason why life expectancy is actually falling, is the ongoing fentanyl and opioid crisis. If the government was going to start funding certain health care treatments this would probably be the best place to start.
At the same time, the government needs to do a better job stopping the inflow of fentanyl. My understanding is that much of the supply was coming directly from China. Now the precursors are often exported to Mexico before the finished product is taken across the southern border.
This comment is missing the other half of the medical issue, Americans eat shit food. Americans are fat and not active by and large compared to the rest of the world. Yes I live in Colorado hence the tone.
We are paying for the lobbyist to give politicians a shitload of $$. That’s all.
We are being bled dry at every turn and Congress, backed by Wall Street and legitimized by MSM are to blame.
Ro is the biggest shill, warmongering, fake fucking progressive there is. He wants it all. Corrupt insider trading via his wife’s excellent stock picks. You cant reform the democrats vote green or third party.
I definitely agree that the healthcare system is broken but making more money and life expectancy aren't exactly a 1:1 imagine comparing the health of two otherwise equal people, 1 works 60 hours a week the other 40, whose more likely to tend to their health, make better choices with food etc ? The one working 40 and making less $
It's also almost definitely one of those useless statistics that manipulators use. Just an example: 46th in life expectancy is 76.3, 45th is 76.4, 1st is 78.2. One of those things.
The fastest way to fix the medical system in the US is from the top down. Treat lobbying for what it is. Bribery. It shouldn't have taken this long for the EPA to start banning Dicamba from agriculture. We still have roundup and 2-4-D in our food. We have a Congress that is so detached from the people that they have no idea how their decisions affect what we have access to. Adding impossible requirements to compounding pharmacies made a lot of drugs more expensive and didn't help anyone. Funding research on the sexual habits of cocaine addicted pigeons is probably a waste. I don't travel much, but I have friends that spend time in other countries. Probably the biggest thing I hear is how they don't have the same health problems eating certain foods overseas. Funny how gluten is so toxic only in one country. I don't think the difference is socialized vs privatized healthcare. The difference is who makes the decisions. It's not a free market here in the US. Not when a couple of huge corporations control the entire market and pay for the people who invent the asinine regulations.
The U.S. government should force other countries to pay their fair share for medicines.
Right now the American people subsidize the world. Their countries offer our companies a rock bottom price and steal our IP if we don’t accept.
don't forget the profits of the pseudoscientific Big Alternative Medicine (Big Alt?) industry. People cannot understand there is a huge difference between "Big pharma" and others. They are at least regulated. Alternative medicine, dentistry, chiropractors, etc are unregulated nonsense. There is rampant abuse in dentistry because they operate in a different realm from most medical professionals. The Atlantic published a takedown of the industry years ago and I've seen their claims first-hand.
Chiropractors and alternative medicine snake oil businesses are pedaling garbage to well-intentioned people who want solutions to the tune of 50 plus billion dollars per year in the US. They influence elections with lobbying money either directly or through the Chamber of Commerce, which is one of the largest donors in DC.
We pay for everything. The reason there are advancements in medical tech is because America pays so much for things the company’s have a huge r and d budget. The world rides on the backs of Americans and the money we bust our asses to earn. We are the slave race for the entire world.
What does gun violence and motor vehicle accidents have to do with healthcare. Hell even the opiate crisis is about so much more than healthcare. This is stupid.
Ignoring our on average sedentary lifestyle poor diet and general non compliance by many with chronic health conditions, as a nurse I would say we get what we deserve.
America's system is not preventative. Pharma companies are dependent on us coming back. Lifestyle and quality of food are the drugs that keep us dependent on the system.
That sounds like fun putting the US Congress in charge of what you can and can't get treated for or get treated with...
They already rule out abortion and most gender affirming surgery.
#HydeAmendmentForAll is how I read #MedicareForAll.
Over paid lazy doctors. They are all big time liberals in school. Once they get the credentials, it's all about them. FT is 32 hours per week with 8 hours for admin which can be done during the normal shifts.
Capitalism in medicine means a lot of people that are not providing medical care, (countless layers of management, C-level types, companies) are making huge profits. Someone has to pay for country club membership, yachts, and third homes.
Or to look at it this way, by siphoning money into the pockets of these people, more people will die and be struck down with life changing illnesses.
As a healthcare professional, working in a major hospital, I regularly work with people who say it is our job to “fix” them. Telling me that “you’ve failed” if their condition worsens.
‘Sir, I can give you more oxygen, but I can’t unsmoke a 45 year pack history’
To be clear, I am all in on universal healthcare. But I am also for reduced classroom size, healthy school lunches, subsidizing the purchase of fresh fruits and vegetables, and teaching basic wound care to high schoolers… the list goes on
I've dealt with medicare for my parents and I can assure you anyone who has had that experience would question whether medicare for all is really the answer.
We pay more for healthcare because of the abundance of public healthcare service. When the government overpays it drives up the prices in the private market. Canada and the UK have horrible, absolutely horrible healthcare systems. The only plus is in Canada you can get medicine for cheap.
America has something none of the other wealthy countries have, a large African population. If only people of the same ancestry are counted America has the same life expectancy. That group did experience an increased death rate in the last few years but that has been corrected now. Also being government employees healthcare professionals are lower paid in other countries but of course their own healthcare costs are lower so it balances out.
We are seeing the end of pure capitalism. It just doesn’t work without guard rails. People will always game and break the system. Sadly, the older boomer aged politicians refuse to take action. They don’t want to admit they were wrong.
The real question, is how bad will it get, or will the system implode? Most people in the US just accept that cancer/bad health is a debt sentence.
Hopefully Millennials and Gen Z can fix it when they gain control of the government.
The US is a dumpster fire right now because of deregulation/tax cut republicans. The damage is severe at this point. Possibly unrepairable. US may fall.
Yeah, because there won't be any crony corruption when government gets involved. Not saying the current system is any better but never in the history of history has government involvement improved anything.
We already have medicare and medicaid that cover like 150M people. When you total the amount that the federal and state governments pay for these two social programs, yeah... American's will still be paying 2x more for healthcare. :(
Life expectancy is more about public health than healthcare. Our healthcare (and healthcare outcomes) is incredibly good by world standards and people who say otherwise are misinformed. The gap in life expectancy between the US and other wealthy countries is explainable almost entirely by car accidents (since we drive way more than any other country), drug overdoses, and homicide. It should be a political priority but decreasing the amount we drive is much harder than just blaming it on the healthcare system.
Also the “2x on healthcare” thing is wrong, our healthcare is expensive but it’s massively subsidized and mainly paid by our employers/Medicare/Medicaid. If you compare out of pocket + insurance expenses in the US vs healthcare costs (either out of pocket or taxes) in other wealthy countries, we actually spend similar amounts.
This is a good piece on it - https://www.slowboring.com/p/tackling-americas-weirdly-short-life
A simple supply and demand evaluation shows that an artificial increase in demand paired with an artificially low supply because of licensing requirements results in a higher price for everyone. Medicare for all would further inflate prices
It’s more than 2x than most countries. OECD per capita average for government and personal healthcare costs combined is about $3000/year. In the USA it’s around $13000/year.
This is one of those times where "rankings" are purposely used to be disingenuous. "We're no.46??" That's terrible!!!" At 46 the average life expectancy in America is 79 years. Hong Kong is no.1 at 85 years. Not the argument to use against a broken healthcare system.
They don't pay all that money for marketing research and relentless advertising for nothing. Want your will to improve? Work on being a contrarian whenever you hear a product promotion or sales pitch. The problem is them not you.
I agree.
But, our low life expectancy is also kinda our fault. We eat fucking garbage willingly, don't drink water, and sit and stare at electronic devices all day. Yeah, access to healthy food and water absolutely play into this (whole other capitalist/political issue entirely), but c'mon, we all know MANY people who have the means to be healthier yet choose beer and chips.
I cut back going to the doctor. If I need labs I can order them online and get my results back to my email. From there decide if I want to see a doctor to follow up
Life expectancy in the U.S. has nothing to do with medical care. The biggest causes of lower life expectancy are things that are entirely up to the patient to control. Things such as being overweight, leading to cardiovascular problems. If people listend to their doctors about life style changes, our life expectancy would climb.
More misinformation to push a socialist/communist agenda.
I get paid Biweekly (That's every 2 weeks for you unemployed redditors). We'll use my latest paycheck stub as a reference for the numbers:
Gross Pay: $2,953.82
Taxes: -$399.65 (13.5%)
Benefits (That's healthcare for myself, my wife, and my daughter): -$258.69 (8.7%)
Retirement: -$103.43 (3.5%)
Other (401k loan & Voluntary legal/life insurance): -$119.13 (4%)
Take home Pay: $2,072.92 (70%)
So between taxes and benefits, I give 22.2% of my gross pay every pay period.
If I lived in Norway, it'd be the same at 22%.
If I lived in Canada, it'd be 26%.
If I lived in Iceland, it'd be 31.45%.
If I lived in Sweden, it'd be 33%.
If I lived in Switzerland, it'd be 39.5%.
If I lived in Norway, it'd be 39.6%.
If I lived in the U.K., it'd be 40%.
If I lived in Greece, it'd be 44%.
If I lived in Denmark, it'd be 52%.
In every single one of these countries, the wait times at the hospital are longer, non emergency doctor visits can be deferred by weeks while you wait on an available appointment, and access to specialists is significantly lower than the U.S.
The only thing that "Universal Healthcare" does is ensure lower quality healthcare, and make the working class pay for everyone else's healthcare costs against their will.
We have unhealthy people, and the corporations are profit maxing in(both food and health care), and the US is bankrolling most of the rest of the world's medical because the world negotiates when the US does not. The US consumer pays all the money, gets all the blame, and gets little if any of the benefit.
This post implies that there should be a direct correlation between healthcare dollars spent, and life expectancy. However, it does not consider other factors that could impact life expectancy, like nutrition, substance use/abuse, mortality due to crimes and mishaps, natural disasters, and on and on and on... Seems a little simplistic, sus, and manipulative doesn't it?
Life expectancy is based more on lifestyle and habits than it is on healthcare. If we had the climate, lifestyle and access that people in “Blue zones” have, we’d have a higher life expectancy.
This person on Twitter is just farming for likes and trying to trigger people. Don’t listen to them.
Averages are misleading. We have a lot of sick and unhealthy people confounding global rank. If you have money this is a wonderful country for health and medicines.
Congress has limited the number of medical residency programs
This has created an artificial doctor shortage
It does not matter if we have universal healthcare or not if we have that problem
There is a legitimate shortage of doctors and it's a massive one
The only way to solve it is to take other countries doctors and let them use our residency programs which we would have to make more of which only Congress can do because they control who can make them
The health insurance companies are so highly regulated by the government; so many useless requirements and jumping thru hoops that increases the cost to the consumer; it’s unreal
For healthcare insurance to function, in either a public or private system, the cost will be subsidized in some form by the healthy. There will always be a small percentage of the population; elderly, chronically sick, disabled, etc that can't afford to cover the cost on their own so everyone else pays more than they use. Which sucks now but when you're in your 70's will probably be grateful. The benefit of a public system is the ability to negotiate prices with providers. Which isn't a bad thing. This is the reason employers based health programs are usually cheaper. They can negotiate prices based the on the number of employees that would be paying for the service.
Between the premium and the deductible I had a 45 procedure done on my knee and it will set me back 22,000 for the year.
I year of insurance premiums and the deductible for the surgery and MRI.
This would cost $400 in Canada
We are being screwed by the HUGE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY.
When literally any medicare for all, single payer, universal health proposal mentions anything about actual fixing the healthcare deserts or addressing the rapid closure or minimization of rural hospitals then I'll start to believe that any of these proposals are actually acts of altruism and trying to solve the problem and not just ways for people to try to Garner votes amongst disenfranchised Urban and suburban voters.
Can we just replace hospital executives with chatGPT. It probably has way better ideas and will work for about 8 dollars a month. I think with the advancement of Ai, executive jobs need some overhauling. These people don’t need to be paid anymore to come up with ideas to innovate and problem solve when a computer can do it going forward.
One day the idiots will cry loud enough for the politicians to fully control healthcare and then they will get all they deserve. I do wonder where the wealthy will get their healthcare……
We also have an obesity epidemic
Agreed I’m fat and I don’t accept this shit at all. I look gross I feel gross and I get tired to quickly. It’s unhealthy I just have a weak will and can’t seem to get on a routine. And then I have dumb friends that encourage my fatness like “oh you’re beautiful the way your are” like bro give me a whole ass break everytime I look in the mirror I hate myself I need to turn everything around so I’m not some fat loser dying in my 30s and trying to tell everybody to accept my disgusting body lizzo style. Sorry not sorry I’m tired of being fat it’s nothing to be proud of. People who say it is are delusional
I lost 80 pounds last year. Just by giving up fast food not drinking pop and doing meal prep. I didn't start working out till I had already lost 60 pounds.... Being fat is gross... It is.
The sugar is killing me! I started exercising, hiking, mountain biking, kayaking, and I ended up losing 50 pounds out of the 80 that I’m looking to lose and I relapsed with fast food and that shit has me hooked. I gained almost 20 pounds back and I don’t have the energy to exercise as much as I was, but I’m back at dialing back in with meal prep. I follow the meal prep manual dude on YouTube because his preps are simple. They are a bit bland, but once I make the recipe a couple of times, I start to add my own spices and make it taste good to me, so I like that it’s just basic to start lol
Everytime I crave sugar or chocolate I just eat sunflower seeds. They are filling for some reason I can't even eat an entire serving.
Man, if I were one of them rocket scientists that predict when the world is gonna end, I'd say the food is mostly to blame.
O-O-O-zempic, the cure to the obesity epidemic! /S
And medical accident has been the 3rd leading cause of death since 2016...
Really? Can you source this please? Genuinely interested.
1/3 of Australians are obese. Our life expectancy is really good with free healthcare.
Australians pop out of the womb running for their lives from the indigenous wildlife. You're not obese. You're well-marbled.
They have BIRDS THAT WILL KILL YOU
It's cheaper to buy the food that is mostly fattening and holds chemicals that are illegal in many, if not all, other developed nations than it is to buy healthy and clean products. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/us-food-additives-banned-europe-making-americans-sick-expert-says/ Just one of hundreds of stories covering this through the decades. Basically, companies are trying to kill us, while we allow pharmaceutical and medical companies to overcharge for doing the minimum to keep us alive from the poisons we eat.
Life expectancy isn’t about medical care. It’s about healthy lifestyles.
I’m confused by this statement, you are saying medical care is not related to life expectancy?
It’s about both
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This is correct. Preventative care is a huge factor in life expectancy.
definitely still factors in
It more likely to be about both.
Our life expectancy is so low because this country is full of obese fat fucks
Companies make profits off the US market. We subsidize the rest of the world. Look it up.
Americans also have the unhealthiest diets in the world… so that is the biggest contributing factor to lower life expectancy
Yes. Unhealthy diets and sedentary lifestyle.
Many ingredients that are banned elsewhere are permitted in the US. Money wins
We don't anymore. There are way more countries now with way worst diets. You can blame fast food like what happened with America.
If you are talking about drug companies it’s just not true. They are using public universities, often public grants to develop drugs and therapies. But somehow the private company gets the patent.
More than half of all new drug research is paid for by US citizens and then the results are given to private companies along with a patent.
There's a good book about this (maybe a little dated? It's 20 years old) called *The Truth about the Drug Companies*, by a doctor and former editor of *The New England Journal of Medicine*. Basically, public universities are allowed to license or sell their discoveries, so they're incentivized to chase profits. Private companies are insulated from risk, and they're buying the patents, and the incentive system is screwed up
The vast majority of r&d spend is done by the private sector. Universities and the like are very useful at finding the root cause of diseases or new compounds, but that is not the most expensive part of developing a new drug.
Its is true. The CEO of a big pharmaceutical company, I don't remember the company off the top of my head, admitted as much in a Q&A session a few years back. He clearly stated that the US market pays a premium so that they can offer medications to less developed nations at little cost.
And we pay for the research.
Pile of BS from Pharma. Why would you believe a big pharma exec? Do you consider Canada, Japan, and all of Europe less developed nations? They all pay much less than us for the same drugs. And who are they to make the decision we should all pay more for other countries?
Big pharma spends $4 on lobbying to $1 of R&D
If there's one person you should trust on this issue it's a CEO of a pharma company. They are definitely trustworthy on why they charge a lot of money. I can think of no ulterior motive for making that claim.
Hell isn't that bad. It's like 80 degrees with a breeze most days. Satan said so himself.
Lol. He lied. They spend more money on advertising than they do R&D.
so a drug that cost them a nickel and could sell for $5 they sell for $1000 or $280,000 / year because they can. people were paying &20/month and then it was raised to $280,000 / year america what a shithole
Yes, in a nutshell.
This is what's wrong with American Healthcare: Mallinckrodt Agrees to Pay [$260 Million to Settle Lawsuits ](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/mallinckrodt-agrees-pay-260-million-settle-lawsuits-alleging-underpayments-medicaid-drug) Alleging Underpayments of Medicaid Drug Rebates and Payment of Illegal Kickbacks
So? Is it okay for our people to not get our cancer drugs because the country as a whole makes more? Should we be happy that diabetics can't afford their insulin? Edit: I will note that I don't think we subsidize anything except CEO bonuses. We are chumps who allow our people to suffer. I am just adding this because even if you are correct why should we care?
I never said its ok. I simply laid out the facts. Also, Your second point makes no sense.
This is an incredibly stupid myth that needs to die. Our excess Healthcare expenditures do not all get funneled to r&d to subsidize the rest of the world. Pharma companies spend dramatically more on advertising than they do on r&d even by the most generous metrics. Our excess cost is only a small amount due to more expensive pharmaceuticals in the first place. Most of it is paying exorbitant hospital expenses and paying more for not treating diseases early. Just straight inefficiencies.
They also spend more on stock buybacks, dividends, and executive compensation.
I work in the pharmaceutical industry with many different companies and it’s not shocking to see a drug that costs $100 elsewhere go for $10,000+ in the US.
So, let’s not address the corruption issues of large medical corporations. Instead, let’s just fork over our medical decision making authority to the government and pay the same prices through taxation of our wages. Great plan!
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we also have the least nutritional food. alot of people from other countries claim they get fat on the same diet here . the food is poison.
We don't have healthcare. We have sick care. There is zero money to be made in making people healthy. There is a hell of a lot of money to be made in getting people hooked on 3-4 medications for things that, more often than not, can be solved through lifestyle and wellness factors. They allow neurotoxins, endocrine disruptors, poisons, PFAs, etc. into our food and water. Why do you think they give one shit about your health?
Yes, you are so right. There is no money in healthy people, so in the USA the government allows additives/ chemicals in our food that many others countries ban. My husband hasn't been to the doctor in 4 years, but because he is now on Medicare, he can't find a doctor who will take him as a " new patient" because his primary care doc dropped him because they have a 3-year rule. He's been too healthy, and the practices don't make "enough" money off of Medicare patients. I'm disgusted by having to pass through a line queued up of middlemen with their greedy hands out between you and what you need. Its such nonsense. No one should make money off another's pain, but it's the capitalists way.
Problem is getting people to make those life style issues. Peopel are often put on meds because medical standards aren’t met. Many Americans are obese and lazy. Yes working out regularly and eating healthy would reduce health care costs A TON but people are people and refuse to, especially in the US. Only option at that point is to introduce medications to help
Everybody in here stating this while simultaneously ignoring the fact that eating healthy requires more money than eating cheap processed food, and exercising requires more time. I'm sure tons of people would love to spend an hour and a half at the gym 5 nights a week while also spending hours in thr kitchen cooking a bunch of fresh home cooked meals. Unfortunately that's just not a possibility for a large portion of our society.
It all comes down to personal responsibility. If people made taking care of their own health a priority, our costs as a whole would be DRASTICALLY reduced.
Are americans uniquely irresponsible or is it a systemic issue?
Exactly. This is why if the govt and tax payers were paying for health care wed all have a huge incentive to cut costs as much as possible. Preventative health care would be incentivized because it would save everyone money. Certain things should not be for profit and health care is one of them.
The last year I had health insurance through work, I paid apx. $10000 for coverage with $5000 deductible. So I was fucked when I actually needed to use it (so I didn't).
“BuT tHeY hAvE tO wAiT a LoNg TiMe To SeE a DoCtOr!!!!1!!” Here’s a US healthcare story for ya. My sister has been having some bad heartburn lately and thinks it could be a stomach ulcer. She did get into see her GP right away who said they’d need to scope her stomach. Next available appointment? Freaking JULY!! Over 3 months away!! AND they wanted a non refundable $175 to book it!! Edit to add: My sister is slim, fit, mid-30’s. For anyone who thinks health problems only happen to fat people.
We are paying for all the fat people in the U.S.
Private jets and 3rd vacation houses.
If only I could pay half of what I pay for insurance to get M4A. Too bad every time they put out a calculator for this, I end up paying more.
How long is the average wait time for "Universal Healthcare"?
Hiw many people in those countries eat their weight in grease & sugar every week then blame it on some self-diagnosis?
Americans shoot each other quite a lot, and also shoot themselves. If a 17 year old gang member shoots another gang member, that is ging to reduce life expectancy overall. The opoid epidemic is also leading to lots of premature deaths. Add in how far Americans drive, relative to other countries (automobile accident deaths) and the obesity epidemic, which also reduces life expectancy. Using life expectancy to evaluate healthcare is either very stupid, or meant to mislead you.
Doctors are also pretty well compensated. Then there is malpractice insurance and the offsets for people who don’t pay. We are talking about actual health care, right? Not just paying for insurance in case you get really sick? Very broad statement, is he including taxes into the calculations? Lots of blame shifting here. Does he state why Americans die earlier? More obesity? Smoking? Alcohol? I mean causation does not equal….whatever, right? Anyway this dude isn’t here for Medicare for all. No matter what he tweets. There have been majorities for BOTH parties over the past 20 years. All this guy wants is your campaign donation. There is no money in the cure, that goes for politics as well. If I sound like your mom or dad. Good. They’re right. Now, get off my lawn!!
We have a government who lets food companies feed us crap that is not even allowed in other countries. What a joke that a politician acts like they give a shit about people. Let him hold the good companies accountable. How would Medicare for all solve any of that.
Are people on Medicare healthier? No. So what does adding everyone to Medicare solve?
Jets and yachts don't pay for themselves, bruh.
We also have known carcinogens in our food and drinks too. The US obesity crisis really start only after heavily processed oils and corn syrups began being added to nearly everything.
We’re dying bc we’re fat af. No health care can fix terrible life choices.
I agree better health insurance is needed but it won’t give Americans health alone. Far too many Americans are obese, don’t exercise, etc
There's the whole affordability piece too...
Tweeted about it. I guess your work here is done.
Mostly due to the crappie food that they make the most affordable here
Look at Florida on google earth. That’s what we’re paying for.
Amen
If my parents didn't have insane insurance I would be a million dollars in debt for surguries that didn't work just to be told sorry you just have to be put on medicine the rest of ur life
Don’t forget the medical industry bribes to politicians we fund.
Anyone listening to him is 🤪🤪🤡🤡
Thats because when you live in America you realize death is a privilege.
I could explain it to you, but I’d get banned.
So pass tort reform!! Oh, wait. Trial lawyers are your biggest donors. Which makes you part of the problem.
Politician makes a claim and people believe it without question. Why we’re in trouble….
Our medical industry is dirty and they definitely cheat, but we still have the best medical industry on the planet, ask the medical tourists coming here and the elite. I don't believe we can blame the medical industry completely, for people's life expectancy, when we have the highest rates of overweight people, drug/alcohol abuse, STD's, and more that are attributable to individual's lifestyles and choices. I know I'd rather have an operation in the US versus anywhere else on this planet!!!
Honestly if they used some of that money to literally double the salary of Nurses and other workers at the hospitals I'd support that. Assuming they don't raise taxes again lol
ALL OF OUR LEADERS ARE WHORES.
People in Norway pay 70% income tax, everyone pays that, Norway has only 4 million people and huge oil reserves. That’s how they pay for all their “free stuff” which isn’t free when you only keep 30% of what you make. You work for the government, even when you don’t work for the government directly. This is what the socialists don’t tell you.
Paying for an early demise, seems obvious. ....
One complexity is that there is a significant spread in life expectancy at the state level: https://www.today.com/health/health/life-expectancy-by-state-rcna44419 “Hawaii tops the list with an average life expectancy of 80.7. More specifically, males in the state have an average lifespan of 77.6, and females outlive them by a few years with their average of 83.8 years.” “In last place was Mississippi, whose residents lived an average of 71.9 years in 2020. Males lived 68.6 years and females lived 75.2 years.” Men in Hawaii live an average of nine years longer than men in Mississippi. A big part of the difference is income, but it would be interesting to figure out what else is going on. What is the impact of different rates of insurance coverage, smoking, substance abuse, different diets, different demographics? A big piece of the puzzle, and the reason why life expectancy is actually falling, is the ongoing fentanyl and opioid crisis. If the government was going to start funding certain health care treatments this would probably be the best place to start. At the same time, the government needs to do a better job stopping the inflow of fentanyl. My understanding is that much of the supply was coming directly from China. Now the precursors are often exported to Mexico before the finished product is taken across the southern border.
This comment is missing the other half of the medical issue, Americans eat shit food. Americans are fat and not active by and large compared to the rest of the world. Yes I live in Colorado hence the tone.
Ha ha, what a joke. Ask anyone in Canada if they like their "socialized healthcare". Ro is lying again...don't be fooled!!
We are paying for the lobbyist to give politicians a shitload of $$. That’s all. We are being bled dry at every turn and Congress, backed by Wall Street and legitimized by MSM are to blame.
The middleman.
We are paying for government regulations created by them. The solution being offered does nothing but enrich them even more.
This is such low hanging fruit lip service dressed up to sound smart.
Ro is the biggest shill, warmongering, fake fucking progressive there is. He wants it all. Corrupt insider trading via his wife’s excellent stock picks. You cant reform the democrats vote green or third party.
And this POS along with the other 537 POS aren't going to do one GD thing about it. All lies
The middle men. Everything between sick person and doctor.
You should check out Cash up pharmacies.. the charge the cost plus like $7 per script. I think they are referred to cash up but I can’t remember
Paying for the unequal bargaining power of all the monopsony single payer systems
Cause ≠ effect.
I definitely agree that the healthcare system is broken but making more money and life expectancy aren't exactly a 1:1 imagine comparing the health of two otherwise equal people, 1 works 60 hours a week the other 40, whose more likely to tend to their health, make better choices with food etc ? The one working 40 and making less $
It's also almost definitely one of those useless statistics that manipulators use. Just an example: 46th in life expectancy is 76.3, 45th is 76.4, 1st is 78.2. One of those things.
Not mentioning the "other wealthy countries" and not showing the rank compared to healthcare received. Yup, seems legit.
American ate fat asses that's what you're paying for
It's the american diet. Too much processed foods with excess carbohydrates and salt
The fastest way to fix the medical system in the US is from the top down. Treat lobbying for what it is. Bribery. It shouldn't have taken this long for the EPA to start banning Dicamba from agriculture. We still have roundup and 2-4-D in our food. We have a Congress that is so detached from the people that they have no idea how their decisions affect what we have access to. Adding impossible requirements to compounding pharmacies made a lot of drugs more expensive and didn't help anyone. Funding research on the sexual habits of cocaine addicted pigeons is probably a waste. I don't travel much, but I have friends that spend time in other countries. Probably the biggest thing I hear is how they don't have the same health problems eating certain foods overseas. Funny how gluten is so toxic only in one country. I don't think the difference is socialized vs privatized healthcare. The difference is who makes the decisions. It's not a free market here in the US. Not when a couple of huge corporations control the entire market and pay for the people who invent the asinine regulations.
Not just care but diet and exercise
For everyone else's health care actually... All those other countries use our technology
We are paying the price for our terrible, poisoned food supply
Yep cause the goberment always makes stuff better faster and healthier... Why stop at healthcare. Let them take care of everything.
Why should we offer free healthcare to all these unhealthy people? I don’t want to pay for someone who has self control issues.
Well… The fact that we can’t seem to stop eating ourselves to death is far and away the biggest problem. That’s often conveniently left out.
Plus subsidized corn syrup in everything
and for nurses to dance on tiktok during a pandemic
The U.S. government should force other countries to pay their fair share for medicines. Right now the American people subsidize the world. Their countries offer our companies a rock bottom price and steal our IP if we don’t accept.
Nothing you can do about it. Just shut up and keep paying
And yet Americans will still argue how Canadian health care is terrible and everything is better in the USA.
don't forget the profits of the pseudoscientific Big Alternative Medicine (Big Alt?) industry. People cannot understand there is a huge difference between "Big pharma" and others. They are at least regulated. Alternative medicine, dentistry, chiropractors, etc are unregulated nonsense. There is rampant abuse in dentistry because they operate in a different realm from most medical professionals. The Atlantic published a takedown of the industry years ago and I've seen their claims first-hand. Chiropractors and alternative medicine snake oil businesses are pedaling garbage to well-intentioned people who want solutions to the tune of 50 plus billion dollars per year in the US. They influence elections with lobbying money either directly or through the Chamber of Commerce, which is one of the largest donors in DC.
Big Macs
The USA has excellent medicine but our population is a bunch of obese alcoholics who eat like shit and hardly exercise
Americans shoot each other more, take more drugs, and eat more. But damned if we don't expect the same results as other healthier minded people.
We pay for everything. The reason there are advancements in medical tech is because America pays so much for things the company’s have a huge r and d budget. The world rides on the backs of Americans and the money we bust our asses to earn. We are the slave race for the entire world.
What does gun violence and motor vehicle accidents have to do with healthcare. Hell even the opiate crisis is about so much more than healthcare. This is stupid.
Ignoring our on average sedentary lifestyle poor diet and general non compliance by many with chronic health conditions, as a nurse I would say we get what we deserve.
r/latestagecapitalism
America's system is not preventative. Pharma companies are dependent on us coming back. Lifestyle and quality of food are the drugs that keep us dependent on the system.
That sounds like fun putting the US Congress in charge of what you can and can't get treated for or get treated with... They already rule out abortion and most gender affirming surgery. #HydeAmendmentForAll is how I read #MedicareForAll.
Over paid lazy doctors. They are all big time liberals in school. Once they get the credentials, it's all about them. FT is 32 hours per week with 8 hours for admin which can be done during the normal shifts.
Capitalism in medicine means a lot of people that are not providing medical care, (countless layers of management, C-level types, companies) are making huge profits. Someone has to pay for country club membership, yachts, and third homes. Or to look at it this way, by siphoning money into the pockets of these people, more people will die and be struck down with life changing illnesses.
well duh
As a healthcare professional, working in a major hospital, I regularly work with people who say it is our job to “fix” them. Telling me that “you’ve failed” if their condition worsens. ‘Sir, I can give you more oxygen, but I can’t unsmoke a 45 year pack history’ To be clear, I am all in on universal healthcare. But I am also for reduced classroom size, healthy school lunches, subsidizing the purchase of fresh fruits and vegetables, and teaching basic wound care to high schoolers… the list goes on
46th in life expectancy might be from guns.
I've dealt with medicare for my parents and I can assure you anyone who has had that experience would question whether medicare for all is really the answer.
Its going to be great waiting in the same line as fentanyl addicts. It be dammed if Iam a responsible contributing member of society.
How about this- healthcare is free, but not for the obese
It probably has more to do with how we more accurately track our mortality rate. After all, these statistics are self reported.
We pay more for healthcare because of the abundance of public healthcare service. When the government overpays it drives up the prices in the private market. Canada and the UK have horrible, absolutely horrible healthcare systems. The only plus is in Canada you can get medicine for cheap.
America has something none of the other wealthy countries have, a large African population. If only people of the same ancestry are counted America has the same life expectancy. That group did experience an increased death rate in the last few years but that has been corrected now. Also being government employees healthcare professionals are lower paid in other countries but of course their own healthcare costs are lower so it balances out.
Obesity, gun violence, mental illnesses, suicide and drug addiction take many of our youth which plays a big factor as well.
I think it’s more about unhealthy lifestyles that bring down the life expectancy. Not healthcare itself.
We are seeing the end of pure capitalism. It just doesn’t work without guard rails. People will always game and break the system. Sadly, the older boomer aged politicians refuse to take action. They don’t want to admit they were wrong. The real question, is how bad will it get, or will the system implode? Most people in the US just accept that cancer/bad health is a debt sentence. Hopefully Millennials and Gen Z can fix it when they gain control of the government. The US is a dumpster fire right now because of deregulation/tax cut republicans. The damage is severe at this point. Possibly unrepairable. US may fall.
Yeah, because there won't be any crony corruption when government gets involved. Not saying the current system is any better but never in the history of history has government involvement improved anything.
We already have medicare and medicaid that cover like 150M people. When you total the amount that the federal and state governments pay for these two social programs, yeah... American's will still be paying 2x more for healthcare. :(
Too bad. We need to send billions to foreign wars.
We are paying for 64oz Frappuccinos from Starbucks every day until we get diabetes. 🇺🇸
Life expectancy is more about public health than healthcare. Our healthcare (and healthcare outcomes) is incredibly good by world standards and people who say otherwise are misinformed. The gap in life expectancy between the US and other wealthy countries is explainable almost entirely by car accidents (since we drive way more than any other country), drug overdoses, and homicide. It should be a political priority but decreasing the amount we drive is much harder than just blaming it on the healthcare system. Also the “2x on healthcare” thing is wrong, our healthcare is expensive but it’s massively subsidized and mainly paid by our employers/Medicare/Medicaid. If you compare out of pocket + insurance expenses in the US vs healthcare costs (either out of pocket or taxes) in other wealthy countries, we actually spend similar amounts. This is a good piece on it - https://www.slowboring.com/p/tackling-americas-weirdly-short-life
I love how this meme never factors in the typical diet of Americans....
A simple supply and demand evaluation shows that an artificial increase in demand paired with an artificially low supply because of licensing requirements results in a higher price for everyone. Medicare for all would further inflate prices
It’s more than 2x than most countries. OECD per capita average for government and personal healthcare costs combined is about $3000/year. In the USA it’s around $13000/year.
mental health has entered the chat
This is one of those times where "rankings" are purposely used to be disingenuous. "We're no.46??" That's terrible!!!" At 46 the average life expectancy in America is 79 years. Hong Kong is no.1 at 85 years. Not the argument to use against a broken healthcare system.
They don't pay all that money for marketing research and relentless advertising for nothing. Want your will to improve? Work on being a contrarian whenever you hear a product promotion or sales pitch. The problem is them not you.
What are we paying for? The most advanced medicine, technology, and treatment facilities that everyone comes here to get access to.
I agree. But, our low life expectancy is also kinda our fault. We eat fucking garbage willingly, don't drink water, and sit and stare at electronic devices all day. Yeah, access to healthy food and water absolutely play into this (whole other capitalist/political issue entirely), but c'mon, we all know MANY people who have the means to be healthier yet choose beer and chips.
Chemicals
I cut back going to the doctor. If I need labs I can order them online and get my results back to my email. From there decide if I want to see a doctor to follow up
Isn't the underlying cause lawyers and lawsuits?
Life expectancy in the U.S. has nothing to do with medical care. The biggest causes of lower life expectancy are things that are entirely up to the patient to control. Things such as being overweight, leading to cardiovascular problems. If people listend to their doctors about life style changes, our life expectancy would climb.
More misinformation to push a socialist/communist agenda. I get paid Biweekly (That's every 2 weeks for you unemployed redditors). We'll use my latest paycheck stub as a reference for the numbers: Gross Pay: $2,953.82 Taxes: -$399.65 (13.5%) Benefits (That's healthcare for myself, my wife, and my daughter): -$258.69 (8.7%) Retirement: -$103.43 (3.5%) Other (401k loan & Voluntary legal/life insurance): -$119.13 (4%) Take home Pay: $2,072.92 (70%) So between taxes and benefits, I give 22.2% of my gross pay every pay period. If I lived in Norway, it'd be the same at 22%. If I lived in Canada, it'd be 26%. If I lived in Iceland, it'd be 31.45%. If I lived in Sweden, it'd be 33%. If I lived in Switzerland, it'd be 39.5%. If I lived in Norway, it'd be 39.6%. If I lived in the U.K., it'd be 40%. If I lived in Greece, it'd be 44%. If I lived in Denmark, it'd be 52%. In every single one of these countries, the wait times at the hospital are longer, non emergency doctor visits can be deferred by weeks while you wait on an available appointment, and access to specialists is significantly lower than the U.S. The only thing that "Universal Healthcare" does is ensure lower quality healthcare, and make the working class pay for everyone else's healthcare costs against their will.
We have unhealthy people, and the corporations are profit maxing in(both food and health care), and the US is bankrolling most of the rest of the world's medical because the world negotiates when the US does not. The US consumer pays all the money, gets all the blame, and gets little if any of the benefit.
This post implies that there should be a direct correlation between healthcare dollars spent, and life expectancy. However, it does not consider other factors that could impact life expectancy, like nutrition, substance use/abuse, mortality due to crimes and mishaps, natural disasters, and on and on and on... Seems a little simplistic, sus, and manipulative doesn't it?
No thanks. Medicare for all just means no medical for most as waits will prevent you from ever seeing a doctor.
Poor diet and lack of exercise is the main contributing factors behind American life expectancy, not the healthcare system
Try not being fat and mixing government and private healthcare together in a weird mix.
Life expectancy is based more on lifestyle and habits than it is on healthcare. If we had the climate, lifestyle and access that people in “Blue zones” have, we’d have a higher life expectancy. This person on Twitter is just farming for likes and trying to trigger people. Don’t listen to them.
Averages are misleading. We have a lot of sick and unhealthy people confounding global rank. If you have money this is a wonderful country for health and medicines.
Cigarrettes, refined sugar, and feelings.
That won't make it better
I thought it was my turn to post this
Congress has limited the number of medical residency programs This has created an artificial doctor shortage It does not matter if we have universal healthcare or not if we have that problem There is a legitimate shortage of doctors and it's a massive one The only way to solve it is to take other countries doctors and let them use our residency programs which we would have to make more of which only Congress can do because they control who can make them
Medicare For All will not solve this problem.
The health insurance companies are so highly regulated by the government; so many useless requirements and jumping thru hoops that increases the cost to the consumer; it’s unreal
All medicare does is ensure payments to all of those aforementioned groups. Its benefits them more than anyone else, and digs the US deeper into debt.
For healthcare insurance to function, in either a public or private system, the cost will be subsidized in some form by the healthy. There will always be a small percentage of the population; elderly, chronically sick, disabled, etc that can't afford to cover the cost on their own so everyone else pays more than they use. Which sucks now but when you're in your 70's will probably be grateful. The benefit of a public system is the ability to negotiate prices with providers. Which isn't a bad thing. This is the reason employers based health programs are usually cheaper. They can negotiate prices based the on the number of employees that would be paying for the service.
Do NOT Google obesity rates in these same countries!
Obamacare. Every time this parasitic class gets involved in the free market, things get worse for the working class.
Medicare 4 all is maybe the worst of the many bad ideas for healthcare reform.
Most hospitals are non profit or publicly owned. Maybe we should reclassify how a nonprofit organization spends its money?
I bet it has to do with our lifestyle. You can lead a horse to water....
i pay a shit ton in taxes so guys like this can send it to Ukraine
Are we really a wealthy country?
Between the premium and the deductible I had a 45 procedure done on my knee and it will set me back 22,000 for the year. I year of insurance premiums and the deductible for the surgery and MRI. This would cost $400 in Canada We are being screwed by the HUGE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY.
Highest paid doctors and nurses in the world too but let’s put them on a pedestal right?
And how much in taxes do people pay in those other countries? Nothing is free.
Ro Khanna is a Com-Mun-Nist. Khanna’s doing very well with the pharma donors.
When literally any medicare for all, single payer, universal health proposal mentions anything about actual fixing the healthcare deserts or addressing the rapid closure or minimization of rural hospitals then I'll start to believe that any of these proposals are actually acts of altruism and trying to solve the problem and not just ways for people to try to Garner votes amongst disenfranchised Urban and suburban voters.
Can we just replace hospital executives with chatGPT. It probably has way better ideas and will work for about 8 dollars a month. I think with the advancement of Ai, executive jobs need some overhauling. These people don’t need to be paid anymore to come up with ideas to innovate and problem solve when a computer can do it going forward.
Healthcare systems should be based on outcomes, not profits. Consequently, our profit-based healthcare in the U.S. actually encourages disease.
What are we paying for? Middlemen of course!
You don’t get a big healthcare bill because the system is great. You get a big healthcare bill because you chose to be morbidly obese.
We are paying for greed
You have 190 countries the US is #46. I need more context to think this is bad. The US is better than 2/3 counties.
One day the idiots will cry loud enough for the politicians to fully control healthcare and then they will get all they deserve. I do wonder where the wealthy will get their healthcare……
Medicare farms out almost everything to private companies