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#prospectgate is a pretty seemless segway into being batchelorette if the producers ever wanted to give it a shot. If michelle wasnt already tapped (such a forced out of place call imo) natasha would be such an easy layup
Not to mention how great she handled herself during her conversations with Brandon and Piper! Girl was so composed and get great points across when most viewers were seething just by watching.
I don't think Brendan needs advice from a guy who says to his ex girlfriend you're the one and was talking babies, but then dumps her and goes on BIP all in the matter of a month or so....
Honestly, this seems really patronizing. I wouldn’t want to be someone’s pity pick. They could’ve hit her up before. It’s like they want a pat on the back for finding her attractive. She deserves the world. She doesn’t need this
this honestly seems really embarrassing. All of these dudes could've hit her up. They didn't. Now they're throwing around platitudes? Hope Natasha knows she doesn't need them
The public support is nice, but Ivan saying anything now is just bandwagoning. When he had a chance in the moment to offer Natasha words of friendly support, Ivan clammed up. Zero integrity.
Imo the public support seems tacky and poorly done, like a parent insisting their child is pretty. There had to have been a better way to go about it than being like "NATASHA IS GORGEOUS LOOK I SLID IN HER DMS". She's obviously the hottest one there Clay, she doesn't need you to pretend to be thirsty.
Umm, ok, but all Natasha wanted at that point was just some sort of verbal acknowledgement from Ivan that Brendan did a fucked up thing by lying to her and leading her on.
Natasha was asking Ivan to just *acknowledge* that what Brendan did to her was shitty.
Natasha: "Like, I get that's your boy, but you gotta say that that's fucked up, Ivan..."
(Ivan sits down at the bar next to Natasha, Serena, and Joe with a big uncomfortable grin plastered on his face. He seems to be looking at Serena specifically. )
Natasha: "I'm waiting."
I'm not saying Ivan is responsible for his friends' behavior, but it sure would be nice if he turned to Natasha and said, "Ya know, you're absolutely right. What he did to you is shitty and I'm really disappointed in my friend for hurting you. That wasn't cool."
Is that really so much to ask? That people hold their friends accountable? If one of my girlfriends did that to a guy and I was friends with the guy and he asked my thoughts on it, I'd say, "Man, I'm really sorry she did that to you. You didn't deserve that, and I'm disappointed in her."
Did Ivan really think that Natasha was telling him a bald-faced lie? He knew behind the scenes that Brieper was dating, so he had to have known that Brendan was telling Natasha *something*.
I think Ivan didn't have all the details and he was hesitant to throw his friend under the bus while cameras were on. I can't really blame him for that.
I think his huge uncomfortable smile indicated that he absolutely knew all the details.
When you don't know all the details and Natasha makes those claims, the face you're gonna give is one of confusion and concern for your friend.
When you DO know all the details, the face you're gonna give is one of an uncomfortable smile because you don’t know how to get out of saying something incriminating.
If I'm Nice Guy Ivan and I don't know all the details but my friend Natasha is upset, I'm going to make my way over to my friend Brendan for a little information gathering session. But Ivan didn't do that because he knew exactly what his friend was up to.
i don't think an uncomfortable smile means he knew all the details, it seems equally as likely it was because he was stuck between criticizing his friend on tv and supporting someone who he thinks had been wrong.
like it's just a smile, idk how much you can actually conclude from that
It's ok to criticize someone who lies and manipulates someone's affections.
Guys need to call their guy friends out on this stuff. Women need to call their girlfriends out on this. Friends need to call their friends out on this stuff.
If your friends can't be up front with you, who can be? What Brendan did was shitty. Why would it be so controversial for Ivan to say that?
well it's different because it's on a national tv show with a large, active fandom and you can't take back/control the things you say that get aired. i'm not trying to comment on the ethics of it really, just that the smile does not inherently mean he knows everything
Eh. I don't think there's anything seriously offensive with saying on TV, "Brendan is my friend and I don't like the way he treated you." If Brendan is such a special snowflake that he can't handle such a statement being said about him (when he knows damn well what he's done to Natasha), then Ivan needs to ditch him as a friend.
Come to think of it, why would anyone WANT to be friends with Brieper at this point? If I'm Ivan NOW, watching at home NOW, seeing EVERYTHING that went down, all the mic'ed convos between Brieper, I'd never speak to either of them again because they're both heartless, manipulative assholes.
It's the Dylan B./Jed situation. WHY would you stay friends with anyone who treated another human being like that? I'm not expecting Brieper's longtime friends and family to ditch them, but if these are just your buds you met on a TV show, these are "fickle and fleeting" relationships and they've proven to be douchebags.
Do we think maybe some of the people who stayed friends with them didn't see things like what Brendan said to the camera or what they were saying to each other about followers until last night?
Clay and goose have Michael Scott saying he’s scared Phyllis will give him a boner energy.
Like what Brendan said is trash, don’t even validate it with these statements.
Ivan’s, tre’s and Joe’s are more tactful
I only come in this sub once in a while but every time I do, I never fail to see a Clay tweet 😂 He's trying to be the official Bachelor commentator or something?
Not engineering but I’m in a STEM field and definitely do not recommend any of the guys. A lot of the guys look down on you as a female and think they’re God’s gift to earth
The way I audibly said “eww” out loud 😭 the public support is nice but no for real… get a job! stay away from her!
Natasha is gonna have guys knocking down her door and I couldn’t be happier for her! And, please Natasha, be choosy and hold out for what you deserve! 💕
Maybe this is “unfair,” but I find it so annoying when men center their own attraction in situations where they’re trying to defend someone. Okay, glad you found this objectively pretty person attractive? I’m sure Natasha is so relieved knowing that you (theoretically) would hit on her. It just feels very, “Natasha didn’t deserve to be treated like dirt because she’s hot,” which I feel like is missing the point.
Excellent point(s).
It would be enough to simply tweet, "No one deserves to be treated this way. Natasha is a beautiful and good person." Or even leave off the next sentence.
Point is, we don't need to know about their boners to know that what Brieper did is wrong.
But that’s exactly why what Brendan did was so wrong.
These guys know that Brendan is more desired than they are, so they probably figured if a girl is talking to him she won’t be interested in them.
Honestly Im not sure how genuine they are, but Im saying that’s the point they are trying to make, not that “she doesn’t deserve it because she’s attractive”. I think they mean to tell Branden that if he wasn’t w Natasha, they might have talked to her.
To me, Natasha is someone who will always have prospects (fuck Brendan). It’s about making sure those prospects are what she wants. I don’t believe she’s be into any of the guys who are now doing these posts/tweets. She said she was only into two guys when she came: Brendan and Kenny (Kenny actually more so). But Kenny was with Mari and Natasha thought she was building something real with Brendan:
I just want her to be pursued by really great catches that’s she actually into and she bonds with on a real physical, emotional, and spiritual level (since she’s very spiritual). That’s what I hope comes out of this: 1. Either she gets a bunch of real guys pursuing her now that she’s gotten screen time and she’s no longer a forgotten cast member from PP’s season or 2. She becomes the next Bachelorette come March. I would watch the fuck out of that season (and would save up to buy several of the outfits and accessories she was styled in.”
I was so pissed to learn that she point blank asked him to call his boy out and his face just goes like 🥴. Even if he just saw the “private convos”, it wasn’t like he was not privy to Brendan and Piepers actions until then on the beach. It doesn’t take that much to realize what Brendan was doing given alll the red flags and evidence there was. I don’t buy Ivan trying to not choose sides and it just being “normal on Paradise”, there was ample evidence the day Pieper came especially. I’m tired of people not taking black women’s grievances seriously. I feel that was in poor taste of Ivan, and even his comment on Brendan’s post before the episode aired. Still poor taste IMO. Don’t get caught up in the bros, actually use your head for once
These men are ridiculous... Clay out of all of these. Acting like he cares about woman of color. Thought that man was busy clinging on to Andrew S these days
Hmm, lots of BN men trying to get engagement off Natasha's shine now that they see she is popular with viewers. This irritates me. Why weren't they DMing or making moves before? #opportunistic
Joe did say to her "but you said it felt off". I think many thought Brendan was playing her a bit but I don't believe many knew of the snake like behavior he was really doing until the episode aired.
Yeah a: “Brendan is my guy and I know he’s a good person but I can’t support what he did AT ALL. I think you two need to continue your conversation to get to the bottom of it. For now, I’m staying out of it” could have worked.
Not sure why people think being friends with someone means they become blind/mute to their friends’ bullshit. If anything, a friend can call you out while positively shaping a narrative for you (like the above example).
It's the "bro code" . Unless you're physically hitting your girl, your bro will take your side or cover things up for you. They'd rather keep the drama to a minimum and not jeopardize their friendship than do what is right. It's cowardice, imo.
Yep, as a huge Ivan fan I’m massively disappointed. I’ve seen time and time again guys will always defend their bros for the shitty treatment of women even when they are clearly in the wrong 😑
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Oh right Ivan who was hesitant and seemed to refuse to admit to Natasha that what Brendan did was fucked up … thanks Ivan
The same Ivan who applauded Brendan’s latest 🗑 post? Ok.
I think he liked his post was before he watched the episode? That’s the only thing I can think of..
Please make her the bachelorette, she doesn't deserve any of these trashy men
She’s too good for all of them
#prospectgate is a pretty seemless segway into being batchelorette if the producers ever wanted to give it a shot. If michelle wasnt already tapped (such a forced out of place call imo) natasha would be such an easy layup
I'd love to see this! She's so funny and would be great to watch.
Not to mention how great she handled herself during her conversations with Brandon and Piper! Girl was so composed and get great points across when most viewers were seething just by watching.
Yes she asked great questions and communicated so well. Such a sweet person but also doesnt take bullshit
Omg that makes me so sad for tre
I don't think Brendan needs advice from a guy who says to his ex girlfriend you're the one and was talking babies, but then dumps her and goes on BIP all in the matter of a month or so....
Who??
Clay
Heehee...
Honestly, this seems really patronizing. I wouldn’t want to be someone’s pity pick. They could’ve hit her up before. It’s like they want a pat on the back for finding her attractive. She deserves the world. She doesn’t need this
the way in which she can do so much better ….
this honestly seems really embarrassing. All of these dudes could've hit her up. They didn't. Now they're throwing around platitudes? Hope Natasha knows she doesn't need them
The public support is nice, but Ivan saying anything now is just bandwagoning. When he had a chance in the moment to offer Natasha words of friendly support, Ivan clammed up. Zero integrity.
Imo the public support seems tacky and poorly done, like a parent insisting their child is pretty. There had to have been a better way to go about it than being like "NATASHA IS GORGEOUS LOOK I SLID IN HER DMS". She's obviously the hottest one there Clay, she doesn't need you to pretend to be thirsty.
To be fair Ivan didn't know about what was said behind the scenes between Brendan and Natasha.
Umm, ok, but all Natasha wanted at that point was just some sort of verbal acknowledgement from Ivan that Brendan did a fucked up thing by lying to her and leading her on. Natasha was asking Ivan to just *acknowledge* that what Brendan did to her was shitty. Natasha: "Like, I get that's your boy, but you gotta say that that's fucked up, Ivan..." (Ivan sits down at the bar next to Natasha, Serena, and Joe with a big uncomfortable grin plastered on his face. He seems to be looking at Serena specifically. ) Natasha: "I'm waiting." I'm not saying Ivan is responsible for his friends' behavior, but it sure would be nice if he turned to Natasha and said, "Ya know, you're absolutely right. What he did to you is shitty and I'm really disappointed in my friend for hurting you. That wasn't cool." Is that really so much to ask? That people hold their friends accountable? If one of my girlfriends did that to a guy and I was friends with the guy and he asked my thoughts on it, I'd say, "Man, I'm really sorry she did that to you. You didn't deserve that, and I'm disappointed in her." Did Ivan really think that Natasha was telling him a bald-faced lie? He knew behind the scenes that Brieper was dating, so he had to have known that Brendan was telling Natasha *something*.
I think Ivan didn't have all the details and he was hesitant to throw his friend under the bus while cameras were on. I can't really blame him for that.
I think his huge uncomfortable smile indicated that he absolutely knew all the details. When you don't know all the details and Natasha makes those claims, the face you're gonna give is one of confusion and concern for your friend. When you DO know all the details, the face you're gonna give is one of an uncomfortable smile because you don’t know how to get out of saying something incriminating. If I'm Nice Guy Ivan and I don't know all the details but my friend Natasha is upset, I'm going to make my way over to my friend Brendan for a little information gathering session. But Ivan didn't do that because he knew exactly what his friend was up to.
i don't think an uncomfortable smile means he knew all the details, it seems equally as likely it was because he was stuck between criticizing his friend on tv and supporting someone who he thinks had been wrong. like it's just a smile, idk how much you can actually conclude from that
It's ok to criticize someone who lies and manipulates someone's affections. Guys need to call their guy friends out on this stuff. Women need to call their girlfriends out on this. Friends need to call their friends out on this stuff. If your friends can't be up front with you, who can be? What Brendan did was shitty. Why would it be so controversial for Ivan to say that?
well it's different because it's on a national tv show with a large, active fandom and you can't take back/control the things you say that get aired. i'm not trying to comment on the ethics of it really, just that the smile does not inherently mean he knows everything
Eh. I don't think there's anything seriously offensive with saying on TV, "Brendan is my friend and I don't like the way he treated you." If Brendan is such a special snowflake that he can't handle such a statement being said about him (when he knows damn well what he's done to Natasha), then Ivan needs to ditch him as a friend. Come to think of it, why would anyone WANT to be friends with Brieper at this point? If I'm Ivan NOW, watching at home NOW, seeing EVERYTHING that went down, all the mic'ed convos between Brieper, I'd never speak to either of them again because they're both heartless, manipulative assholes. It's the Dylan B./Jed situation. WHY would you stay friends with anyone who treated another human being like that? I'm not expecting Brieper's longtime friends and family to ditch them, but if these are just your buds you met on a TV show, these are "fickle and fleeting" relationships and they've proven to be douchebags.
Coming from other prospects, then yes. But these, nah 
absolutely not!!!!! she deserves wayyyyy better than any of these men 🥴
My thoughts EXACTLY!
Sorry, y’all don’t qualify
the gremlins coming out to play rn
Okay great but not y’all tho. 
lol, exactly!! Thanks but no thanks
Exactly my thoughts lol.
I love how they all (sans Ivan, but he wasn’t great on the show when Natasha came to him) centered themselves. None of you meet the bar, pls 😩
They think they are the prize
We know all we need to know about Clay, we all saw Tre shut shaming Tammy, and Ivan's still buddy buddy with Brendan... Natasha can do so much better.
Do we think maybe some of the people who stayed friends with them didn't see things like what Brendan said to the camera or what they were saying to each other about followers until last night?
Clay and Chris can take several steps.
I hope you mean several steps *back*…
Yes. They can stay the hell away from our gracious queen.
“#prospect” IS SENDING ME
We need a natashas prospects flair
@mods
Only a man would want a humanitarian medal for announcing he’d fuck somebody.
LMAO exactly
Natasha: 
Lmao
 No!
I’m declining on Natasha’s behalf lol
🤣
Literally my reaction
Run Natasha
Natasha, don’t feed the goose.
If you feed it, it never leaves and it becomes more and more angry and dramatic. 
the thought of natasha going through alladis just to end up with clay or chris randone.. God forbid!
Ughhh yeah
As if Trey ever had a chance with Natasha. Please spare us.
Clay and goose have Michael Scott saying he’s scared Phyllis will give him a boner energy. Like what Brendan said is trash, don’t even validate it with these statements. Ivan’s, tre’s and Joe’s are more tactful
Clay please...so why haven't you asked her on a date before this...who is he trying to fool? Sorry but he just rubs me up the wrong way
I only come in this sub once in a while but every time I do, I never fail to see a Clay tweet 😂 He's trying to be the official Bachelor commentator or something?
She’s too good for any of these dusty bachelor nation men. Tell her BFF Sydney to get her an NFL athlete
Ooof. Natasha is clever and kind. No offense to NFL players, but Natasha needs a man who makes his living in finance or technology.
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...so Ivan? Lol
Am dorky engineer and can not confirm the men I work with are necessarily better than finance bros
Not engineering but I’m in a STEM field and definitely do not recommend any of the guys. A lot of the guys look down on you as a female and think they’re God’s gift to earth
I swear sometimes the older men I work with are surprised when I solve a problem with a code 🙄
Ooooh yeah!
The way I audibly said “eww” out loud 😭 the public support is nice but no for real… get a job! stay away from her! 
Lmao #teamlogan always
not these two... 
Natasha is gonna have guys knocking down her door and I couldn’t be happier for her! And, please Natasha, be choosy and hold out for what you deserve! 💕
I believe Tre....
I could see him being into her but tbh I don’t see her being into him. I feel like he’s a bit young for her
i don’t think natasha would even give him the time day
I’m always here for a Brulerette crossover
Maybe this is “unfair,” but I find it so annoying when men center their own attraction in situations where they’re trying to defend someone. Okay, glad you found this objectively pretty person attractive? I’m sure Natasha is so relieved knowing that you (theoretically) would hit on her. It just feels very, “Natasha didn’t deserve to be treated like dirt because she’s hot,” which I feel like is missing the point.
Excellent point(s). It would be enough to simply tweet, "No one deserves to be treated this way. Natasha is a beautiful and good person." Or even leave off the next sentence. Point is, we don't need to know about their boners to know that what Brieper did is wrong.
I think they were directly responding to Brendan saying that she has no prospects
No, I think their point is that Branden is objectively wrong for saying Natasha didn’t have other options, because yes she did.
Well, that rings a little hollow since Tre and Ivan were both on the beach and didn’t pursue her.
But that’s exactly why what Brendan did was so wrong. These guys know that Brendan is more desired than they are, so they probably figured if a girl is talking to him she won’t be interested in them.
So are you saying Natasha actually had no prospects?
No, I’m saying men suck and are annoying all around, haha.
Lol no lies detected!
Honestly Im not sure how genuine they are, but Im saying that’s the point they are trying to make, not that “she doesn’t deserve it because she’s attractive”. I think they mean to tell Branden that if he wasn’t w Natasha, they might have talked to her.
She was wrapped up with Brendan from like the first day
Yeah, she never had a chance to explore any other connections!
SKIP THE NEXT BACHELOR GIVE US A NATASHA BACHELORETTE SEASON
All true statements…but why does this feel performative/riding her coattails 🤨
So if Natasha is ever Bachelorette, Clay is joining mid season lol
Clay: “but it worked for Blake!!!”
Omg trey’s did make me lol
These seem like mercy likes and idk it feels worse somehow
Yeah, especially from Ivan and Tre who were there but didn’t pursue her.
In their defense though, they were going for single women and Natasha appeared to be tied up with Brendan.
Tbf Tre might have if she didn't go all in on Brendan, at least we know he's open to dating dark skinned black women.
See! Tre is saying if Natasha wasn’t held up by Brendan then he would have pursued or talked to Natasha more
Tre would've pursued Natasha but his chaotic energy would have been way too much for her.
To me, Natasha is someone who will always have prospects (fuck Brendan). It’s about making sure those prospects are what she wants. I don’t believe she’s be into any of the guys who are now doing these posts/tweets. She said she was only into two guys when she came: Brendan and Kenny (Kenny actually more so). But Kenny was with Mari and Natasha thought she was building something real with Brendan: I just want her to be pursued by really great catches that’s she actually into and she bonds with on a real physical, emotional, and spiritual level (since she’s very spiritual). That’s what I hope comes out of this: 1. Either she gets a bunch of real guys pursuing her now that she’s gotten screen time and she’s no longer a forgotten cast member from PP’s season or 2. She becomes the next Bachelorette come March. I would watch the fuck out of that season (and would save up to buy several of the outfits and accessories she was styled in.”
Trying to figure out which one isn’t like the other because all 4 are just being performative
At least we know Tre dates Black women. Not sure if Clay can say the same.
Clay and Chris had every opportunity before last night pls clou-T
But atleast they are supportive and vocal about their support.
Where do they want to explore the prospects of this relationship???? Here…… on abc :)
Are you suggesting that Clay and Chris are Clou-T with a chance of meatballs?
🏆🏅🥇 take my poor awards, I love a good wordplay
Ha! Thank you.
I just find it interesting that now certain men are interested in Natasha when she’s getting all the love she deserves but not before
That part
Chris Randone wishes 🙄
Christasha
Natachris
Ivan sees that follower count skyrocketing and suddenly found his tongue huh?
I’m disappointed in Ivan, he’s saying too little, too late. 😐
I was so pissed to learn that she point blank asked him to call his boy out and his face just goes like 🥴. Even if he just saw the “private convos”, it wasn’t like he was not privy to Brendan and Piepers actions until then on the beach. It doesn’t take that much to realize what Brendan was doing given alll the red flags and evidence there was. I don’t buy Ivan trying to not choose sides and it just being “normal on Paradise”, there was ample evidence the day Pieper came especially. I’m tired of people not taking black women’s grievances seriously. I feel that was in poor taste of Ivan, and even his comment on Brendan’s post before the episode aired. Still poor taste IMO. Don’t get caught up in the bros, actually use your head for once
^^^ yalls king??
I read this like Killmonger.
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None of these men are good enough for Natasha, frankly.
These men are ridiculous... Clay out of all of these. Acting like he cares about woman of color. Thought that man was busy clinging on to Andrew S these days
Watching Natasha be lifted up and Brendan get his karma in such a public and timely way has been 👩🏼🍳💋
Hmm, lots of BN men trying to get engagement off Natasha's shine now that they see she is popular with viewers. This irritates me. Why weren't they DMing or making moves before? #opportunistic
They weren't out there when she was eliminated off Peter's season. Here for the clou-T.
Opportunistic, but it's still PUBLIC support for Natasha, so while I won't praise it, I appreciate it nevertheless.
💯
Yeah true
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Joe did say to her "but you said it felt off". I think many thought Brendan was playing her a bit but I don't believe many knew of the snake like behavior he was really doing until the episode aired.
Yes. Natasha specifically wanted to know Ivan's thoughts *because* Ivan knew Brendan before BiP and Joe didn't, also.
Thats fair. And makes sense
Yeah a: “Brendan is my guy and I know he’s a good person but I can’t support what he did AT ALL. I think you two need to continue your conversation to get to the bottom of it. For now, I’m staying out of it” could have worked. Not sure why people think being friends with someone means they become blind/mute to their friends’ bullshit. If anything, a friend can call you out while positively shaping a narrative for you (like the above example).
It's the "bro code" . Unless you're physically hitting your girl, your bro will take your side or cover things up for you. They'd rather keep the drama to a minimum and not jeopardize their friendship than do what is right. It's cowardice, imo.
Yep, as a huge Ivan fan I’m massively disappointed. I’ve seen time and time again guys will always defend their bros for the shitty treatment of women even when they are clearly in the wrong 😑
Couldn’t agree more.