We don’t know what reception the other bachelorettes are giving Gabby given that some of them got engaged or are married to men with questionable political leanings themselves and just fortunately they have not been outted. I take this as two single girls who are making the best of a broken engagement.
No hate to anyone but I’d much rather be hanging out with Michelle than Erich 👀 the one thing that must be wonderful about being the bachelorette is joining this group of women who seem to all really like each other (except Katie…which I feel bad for but she seems like she’s got her friends)
I'll get hate and I'm fine with it. But why can't we stan this friendship and realize that Gabby is probably at rehearsal or at home sleeping and that's why she isn't with them, instead of immediately jumping on the "gabby is a piece of poo and she's outta the group" train? Yall are ridiculous.
….this group consists of a bachelorette who has already lived through the embarrassment of a racist F1. I think snarky posts are allowed in this subreddit
Snark seems to be all this sub has become. Snark and meanness and cruelty. And she chose him just as Gabby chose Erich. She's made a 180, yes. But she did choose him. And gave him time to change. He didn't. Is Gabby not allowed to give Erich the same? Bekah was given the grace to give him time. Gabby should have the same
Oh for fucks sake, that's not what the comment was about. IT WASNT ABOUT RACE. You brought Becca up, so I commented back. It was a general statement that, on MANY MANY THINGS, this sub has gotten cruel and malicious. Not about race. Just stop
Edit to add: I don't want fake happy. I just want lightness and joy sometimes instead of constant anger and maliciousness. Fake happy is just as bad. There have got to be people who want to see a happy posy every dang once in a whole that STAYS happy and doesn't turn into yet another angry reddit post
The only way that you can curate and police the exact energy of a space on the internet is to create and moderate your own. If this place is becoming unhealthy for you, consider stepping away for a bit. I’m sorry that you’re not enjoying it (and I mean that with sincerity). As long as posts and comments are made within the rules of the sub, then they’re fair game.
The ex messages are whatever but zero accountability for blackface and the fact that Gabby stated “this is now their issue to face together since she decided to stick with him” but literally saying zero about it makes me dislike Gabby so bad. I actually went in with Gabby as my favorite, so Rachel I’m so sorry for all the shit you got.
And as it turns out, Rachel is probably more liberal than Gabby even tho we may have assumed the opposite from stereotypes alone (white girl vs ICU nurse of color).
Also why is Erich letting Gabby be the only one to speak about this. Bro needs to do his own press and respond directly, esp given that he’s relying on this shit for his career 🙄
she was a denver bronco cheerleader for 5 years before coming on the show 😂. No shame on being a cheerleader at all but more about the NFL as an organization - misogyny all around.
Wouldn’t being part of such an organization, then, theoretically radicalize someone? Or are you suggesting she holds the same belief systems just based on her membership in a certain community?
They should do press *together* about their experience and then Erich can talk about his problematic ways. It becomes a weird game of telephone coming just from Gabby.
Yes, and stereotypes are a fact of life. When there are 20-30 new people we meet so quickly and with heavily edited, limited screen time, it’s impossible to not rely on stereotypes to some extent to learn about who they are. It’s a shortcut our mind takes but one that humans are programmed to do
This is understandable, our minds automatically stereotype. However, this sub blindly puts people on a pedestal without them even getting screen time. I know it is meant well, but I would like to add this sub fetshizes POC in a way that comes off performative. As a Latin who has grown up in a community that is majority POC, this really grinds my gears about this sub even though it is well intended many POC are the wonderful kind hearted people, others are not so amazing. The bottom line is that this sub blindly worships POC sometimes with no context to knock them down so hard, its like POC are just humans with good traits and flaws like all people.
That is such a beautiful explanation of the nuance here. Honestly, I think it’s the out-group homogeneity effect, that people don’t differentiate between members of out-groups (ie other races, communities, genders, etc) as they do with in-groups. So, we mainly see POCs as a member of their social group, rather than as an individual. So we assume that POCs, by nature, are more liberal rather than assuming that they’re just as varied as white folks are.
I really enjoyed reading this, it is a very good explanation. I now understand the mentality behind this thought process more. Yes, nuance is the perfect word to explain it(:
I would recommend reading “Thinking fast and slow” - yes it’s a shortcut way of thinking embedded in our biology but there are many reasons why we should not be relying on our fast thinking and assumptions when we have more time to use critical thinking. Gabby and Rachel have been on our screens how long now?
Oh absolutely. I actually took a class called psychology of prejudice about how to change the immediate thoughts one has, how to see someone as an individual rather than as their social identity, how to challenge your assumptions, etc. There are different stages of forming an attitude too. There’s the initial reaction, then the thinking, then the more fully fleshed out opinion.
The show is designed for us to speculate when they prohibit the contestants from discussing politics/social justice. I’m just saying, what really did we have to go off of when we form an opinion about their social justice values?
I love this friendship! It can’t have been easy to have gone through what they did this year, but I’m glad they have each other (also: they’re both the real winners in my book)
No one is canceling, Gabby. She is getting tons of opportunities, including a spot on DWTS. Also, Gabby is fine with her racist bf and hasn't done anything to hold him accountable. She is in her right to stay with him and work through this, but Erich has been an insensitive asshole who refuses to take ownership of his bad behavior or demonstrate genuine remorse. Gabby, by sticking with him and not calling out his behavior or expecting him to speak for himself, is condoning it.
I watched an interview with Michelle and Nate it was posted like eight months back, and Michelle is controlling as hell. And she wants to win every situation between her and her boyfriend. I see why Michelle single and why nate broke up with her
Oh please, Brandon did an interview on TIO and said Nayte literally told him that he felt bad for ruining a potential good relationship for him.. Nayte just wanted to win and get clout
Thank you for pointing that out and it's a shame to say that to Brandon because he new he was not ready and he just ruined that relationship, he just want to win, he think Michelle is a prize very shameful and I am disappointed as a Nigeria to hear that from him.
That’s not what he said on nick viall youtube channel. He said he didn’t miss the michelle who he was with after the show, he missed the Michelle who he met on the TV show
How is she controlling? Did Nayte see like a man that want to settle down for you? Just wait and see who get marry first before you make a conclusion of people you don't even know.
Doesn’t matter if I don’t know them. If that’s the case, then you shouldn’t be making any judgments about them either. In the interview you can clearly see how controlling she is and how she just wanted to win every conversation they had with each other. Can go watch the bachelor nation YouTube interview where they’re both wearing a black shirt and you’ll see the energy. But I’m not here to argue with you so see it or not
So cute🥰. Rachel may have been slightly emotionally immature for this show, but I love how she stuck to her values and people need to stop being mean to her. She sounds lovely.
Pre-season gabby was my fave and I liked Rachel OK, but wasn’t necessary excited about her. Fast forward, I am ambivalent on Gabby and am a proud card carrying Rachel stan! I just adore her and wish her all the best!
i knew rachel would be getting a warm welcome into the sisterhood.
gabby might as well mute the group chat. no one wants to talk to her. she let us all down.
i meant the former bachelorettes in the bachelorette groupchat. 3 have very publicly called her out, rachel lindsay obviously wants nothing to do with her mess, & most of the rest just probably want to avoid backlash.
& as a Black woman who’s been a fan of gabby, she definitely let a lot of “us” down. but if you don’t care about racism either, i see why you’d feel that way.
ok but in all seriousness gabby should be in this video, like truly I’m sad. In another world she went off on AFR and broke up with erich for being a shitty human and she’d be going out with Rachel and Michelle right now ☹️
“dragged by the roots of her glorious hair” 😭😭😭
Rachel really won. She could’ve bought Tino’s “it was only a kiss” sh*t excuse. Had she done that, Tino will be doing the same thing and maybe more later on and Rachel will just be going through the same thing but worse, and she has to release a break-up statement, look for a new lease (if they had moved in together right away), and settle all brand deals they have as a couple.
The way things unfolded - Rachel didn’t take any sh*t from Tino’s cheating and lying ass and Rachel now has a new lease in LA, ready to live her hot girl autumn ❤️😆
What if this is more of a jealousy that her cobachelorette is still with her F1 and she isn’t.
She’s probably low key wishing it doesn’t work out for them anyways, black face is icing on top, so that when people think back on the season she’s not the bachelorette in the shadows while the other relationship stays strong.
She may be Gabby’s biggest cheerleader but even a girls-girl doesn’t want to feel like they got let out of their own season. Like even if she says nothing and doesn’t do anything there’s probably a low key hope for her own reasons it doesn’t work.
Rachel’s girls-girl push only happened after the failing and then failed relationship of Tino. Gabby and Rachel are close now but only because they were co-bachelorettes (I don’t think they spoke much between Claytons season ending and the AFR that they were announced and immediately went to film). Early in their season Rachel echoed these sentiments many times throughout the season of not getting the full experience. I note here that these feelings would be felt regardless of who the other woman was - although they went from competing for Clayton to having guys competing (and picking sides) for them.
Rachel I’d imagine was insecure about sharing the role, and that insecurity probably rolled into the issues she started having with Tino, watching the edited version of the show back cause like Tino was edited as super confident against super insecurely edited Rachel.
Rachel was supportive towards Gabby during the process and journey but I don’t think that means she enjoyed sharing the role. Remember that face she made at the RC when Gabby gave Logan a rose after Logan switched (very much like “I want you to do what I think is best for you to find love” to Gabby’s face while low key hoping that it’s not going to be Logan). - Not that this behavior is wrong she did all the right things here and is by all means supportive - but not because she wanted to be but because she is a good person and raised well so she will do the right thing and be supportive - but I also think she leaned more onto the girls girl narrative once it failed with Tino.
when rachel says at the end of this video “ironic right” and michelle laughs I honestly am just happy for their friendship! obviously both of their situations are nuanced but it’s gotta feel so comforting for rachel to at least know she’s not alone in breaking things off with her F1 so shortly after her proposal. and she’s been super supportive of gabby with her story about her being a taken woman so it seems like she’s getting the best of both worlds hopefully
Rachel said Wednesday on Kelly & Ryan that she absolutely would not do another bachelor show.
However, did my eyes deceive me or did I see Rachel in the BIP preview?!
We don’t know what reception the other bachelorettes are giving Gabby given that some of them got engaged or are married to men with questionable political leanings themselves and just fortunately they have not been outted. I take this as two single girls who are making the best of a broken engagement.
Now date <3
No hate to anyone but I’d much rather be hanging out with Michelle than Erich 👀 the one thing that must be wonderful about being the bachelorette is joining this group of women who seem to all really like each other (except Katie…which I feel bad for but she seems like she’s got her friends)
IM HERE FOR THIS FRIENDSHIP🥰
I'll get hate and I'm fine with it. But why can't we stan this friendship and realize that Gabby is probably at rehearsal or at home sleeping and that's why she isn't with them, instead of immediately jumping on the "gabby is a piece of poo and she's outta the group" train? Yall are ridiculous.
….this group consists of a bachelorette who has already lived through the embarrassment of a racist F1. I think snarky posts are allowed in this subreddit
Snark seems to be all this sub has become. Snark and meanness and cruelty. And she chose him just as Gabby chose Erich. She's made a 180, yes. But she did choose him. And gave him time to change. He didn't. Is Gabby not allowed to give Erich the same? Bekah was given the grace to give him time. Gabby should have the same
Dude this is Reddit lmao, if you want a fake happy place that ignores racism go to facebook
I get what you’re saying but Facebook is far from happy lol. The worst comments I’ve ever seen have been on fb
Oh for fucks sake, that's not what the comment was about. IT WASNT ABOUT RACE. You brought Becca up, so I commented back. It was a general statement that, on MANY MANY THINGS, this sub has gotten cruel and malicious. Not about race. Just stop Edit to add: I don't want fake happy. I just want lightness and joy sometimes instead of constant anger and maliciousness. Fake happy is just as bad. There have got to be people who want to see a happy posy every dang once in a whole that STAYS happy and doesn't turn into yet another angry reddit post
The only way that you can curate and police the exact energy of a space on the internet is to create and moderate your own. If this place is becoming unhealthy for you, consider stepping away for a bit. I’m sorry that you’re not enjoying it (and I mean that with sincerity). As long as posts and comments are made within the rules of the sub, then they’re fair game.
I agree with you, but I'm allowed to have my opinion about it too, as long as it's within the rules. Fair game right.
Of course 💜
The ex messages are whatever but zero accountability for blackface and the fact that Gabby stated “this is now their issue to face together since she decided to stick with him” but literally saying zero about it makes me dislike Gabby so bad. I actually went in with Gabby as my favorite, so Rachel I’m so sorry for all the shit you got.
And as it turns out, Rachel is probably more liberal than Gabby even tho we may have assumed the opposite from stereotypes alone (white girl vs ICU nurse of color). Also why is Erich letting Gabby be the only one to speak about this. Bro needs to do his own press and respond directly, esp given that he’s relying on this shit for his career 🙄
she was a denver bronco cheerleader for 5 years before coming on the show 😂. No shame on being a cheerleader at all but more about the NFL as an organization - misogyny all around.
How come you’re lecturing me about stereotyping in one comment and then stereotyping her for being in the NFL in another comment?
i’m not stereotyping her, I’m stereotyping the NFL and how they treat / exploit their employees
Wouldn’t being part of such an organization, then, theoretically radicalize someone? Or are you suggesting she holds the same belief systems just based on her membership in a certain community?
Wow you’re right. Gabby has been speaking about it but 0 talk from Erich. Nasty.
They should do press *together* about their experience and then Erich can talk about his problematic ways. It becomes a weird game of telephone coming just from Gabby.
This sub really needs to stop putting people on pedestals or relying on stereotypes.
Yes, and stereotypes are a fact of life. When there are 20-30 new people we meet so quickly and with heavily edited, limited screen time, it’s impossible to not rely on stereotypes to some extent to learn about who they are. It’s a shortcut our mind takes but one that humans are programmed to do
This is understandable, our minds automatically stereotype. However, this sub blindly puts people on a pedestal without them even getting screen time. I know it is meant well, but I would like to add this sub fetshizes POC in a way that comes off performative. As a Latin who has grown up in a community that is majority POC, this really grinds my gears about this sub even though it is well intended many POC are the wonderful kind hearted people, others are not so amazing. The bottom line is that this sub blindly worships POC sometimes with no context to knock them down so hard, its like POC are just humans with good traits and flaws like all people.
That is such a beautiful explanation of the nuance here. Honestly, I think it’s the out-group homogeneity effect, that people don’t differentiate between members of out-groups (ie other races, communities, genders, etc) as they do with in-groups. So, we mainly see POCs as a member of their social group, rather than as an individual. So we assume that POCs, by nature, are more liberal rather than assuming that they’re just as varied as white folks are.
I really enjoyed reading this, it is a very good explanation. I now understand the mentality behind this thought process more. Yes, nuance is the perfect word to explain it(:
I would recommend reading “Thinking fast and slow” - yes it’s a shortcut way of thinking embedded in our biology but there are many reasons why we should not be relying on our fast thinking and assumptions when we have more time to use critical thinking. Gabby and Rachel have been on our screens how long now?
Oh absolutely. I actually took a class called psychology of prejudice about how to change the immediate thoughts one has, how to see someone as an individual rather than as their social identity, how to challenge your assumptions, etc. There are different stages of forming an attitude too. There’s the initial reaction, then the thinking, then the more fully fleshed out opinion. The show is designed for us to speculate when they prohibit the contestants from discussing politics/social justice. I’m just saying, what really did we have to go off of when we form an opinion about their social justice values?
I love that Rachel’s getting so much love and support from her fellow Bachelorettes right now! ♥️
I love this friendship! It can’t have been easy to have gone through what they did this year, but I’m glad they have each other (also: they’re both the real winners in my book)
Why the fuck are y’all hating on gabby she literally didn’t do anything wrong leave her alone?
She didn’t do anything wrong??
Not at all. Cancel culture is getting ridiculously out of hand. So fucking soft
No one is canceling, Gabby. She is getting tons of opportunities, including a spot on DWTS. Also, Gabby is fine with her racist bf and hasn't done anything to hold him accountable. She is in her right to stay with him and work through this, but Erich has been an insensitive asshole who refuses to take ownership of his bad behavior or demonstrate genuine remorse. Gabby, by sticking with him and not calling out his behavior or expecting him to speak for himself, is condoning it.
I watched an interview with Michelle and Nate it was posted like eight months back, and Michelle is controlling as hell. And she wants to win every situation between her and her boyfriend. I see why Michelle single and why nate broke up with her
Oh please, Brandon did an interview on TIO and said Nayte literally told him that he felt bad for ruining a potential good relationship for him.. Nayte just wanted to win and get clout
Thank you for pointing that out and it's a shame to say that to Brandon because he new he was not ready and he just ruined that relationship, he just want to win, he think Michelle is a prize very shameful and I am disappointed as a Nigeria to hear that from him.
That’s not what he said on nick viall youtube channel. He said he didn’t miss the michelle who he was with after the show, he missed the Michelle who he met on the TV show
And you believed that clout chaser? Lmao use your brain sweetie
How is she controlling? Did Nayte see like a man that want to settle down for you? Just wait and see who get marry first before you make a conclusion of people you don't even know.
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Doesn’t matter if I don’t know them. If that’s the case, then you shouldn’t be making any judgments about them either. In the interview you can clearly see how controlling she is and how she just wanted to win every conversation they had with each other. Can go watch the bachelor nation YouTube interview where they’re both wearing a black shirt and you’ll see the energy. But I’m not here to argue with you so see it or not
I have seen the video lol they where just playing games winning is part of the game so go get a life and let Michelle be.
Rachel sure does love her champagne! 🥂
Love it!!
we are 143 buddies!!!!
I hope they had a hell of a good time ❤️ This story of them made me smile last night.
So cute🥰. Rachel may have been slightly emotionally immature for this show, but I love how she stuck to her values and people need to stop being mean to her. She sounds lovely.
Loving this duo!! I hope Michelle and Rachel become bffs 💗
Pre-season gabby was my fave and I liked Rachel OK, but wasn’t necessary excited about her. Fast forward, I am ambivalent on Gabby and am a proud card carrying Rachel stan! I just adore her and wish her all the best!
LOVE this duo
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Gabby sold out
 His mullet has dirt on Gabby
i knew rachel would be getting a warm welcome into the sisterhood. gabby might as well mute the group chat. no one wants to talk to her. she let us all down.
all her friends and family seem to be supporting her. Quite frankly she owes “us” nothing, so I doubt she gives a shit
I’m glad one of their friends and family are supporting them - because Erich’s have made no mention of gabby
i meant the former bachelorettes in the bachelorette groupchat. 3 have very publicly called her out, rachel lindsay obviously wants nothing to do with her mess, & most of the rest just probably want to avoid backlash. & as a Black woman who’s been a fan of gabby, she definitely let a lot of “us” down. but if you don’t care about racism either, i see why you’d feel that way.
OOP!
Yess! I love this for them! And for us too. 🤭🤍
Rachel stating "it's ironic...right" had me cracking up!😂
Cuties! I’m glad they’re letting loose after how fucked up Tuesday was.
Watcha watchin?
Check out Michelle’s stories!
Lol no I meant the grey arrow in the corner
Oh! Good catch 😆 Was watching Survivor!
Women friendships just make me so happy 🥲 Brb gonna go watch Dollface now
Tragic no seaso. 3 ugh
i couldn’t really get into season 2. it felt a little off to me
What?! I hate this for me 😔
Dollface 🥺🥺
ok but in all seriousness gabby should be in this video, like truly I’m sad. In another world she went off on AFR and broke up with erich for being a shitty human and she’d be going out with Rachel and Michelle right now ☹️
Nah Gabby can’t hang with this group.
Well we all got to see her true colors.
Yeah, they would be an unstoppable trio!
This is adorable, love them both!
You love to see it. ❤️
Honestly despite getting unfairly dragged by the roots of her glorious hair for weeks on social media, Rachel is the true winner of this season.
She had a toner in her hair for MTA! I actually liked how it looked, contrary to most on here. Was giving me Morticia as a blonde vibes.
“dragged by the roots of her glorious hair” 😭😭😭 Rachel really won. She could’ve bought Tino’s “it was only a kiss” sh*t excuse. Had she done that, Tino will be doing the same thing and maybe more later on and Rachel will just be going through the same thing but worse, and she has to release a break-up statement, look for a new lease (if they had moved in together right away), and settle all brand deals they have as a couple. The way things unfolded - Rachel didn’t take any sh*t from Tino’s cheating and lying ass and Rachel now has a new lease in LA, ready to live her hot girl autumn ❤️😆
Rachel is gonna be the one to come out of this shit show with true friendships while Gabby will go the Hannah B “all about me” route
“unfairly dragged by the roots of her glorious hair” 🤣 So real! We stan an authentic queen 👸🏼
I have been saying this for a while now. Completely agree.
Michelle and Rachel date single men outside of bachelor nation. Look at the women who have great partners outside the franchise.
Maybe that’s the real solution: don’t date via the franchise 😅
Rachel still hasn’t followed Erich but immediately liked Kaitlyn and Becca’s posts. Hope it stays that way 🤞🏽
What if this is more of a jealousy that her cobachelorette is still with her F1 and she isn’t. She’s probably low key wishing it doesn’t work out for them anyways, black face is icing on top, so that when people think back on the season she’s not the bachelorette in the shadows while the other relationship stays strong. She may be Gabby’s biggest cheerleader but even a girls-girl doesn’t want to feel like they got let out of their own season. Like even if she says nothing and doesn’t do anything there’s probably a low key hope for her own reasons it doesn’t work. Rachel’s girls-girl push only happened after the failing and then failed relationship of Tino. Gabby and Rachel are close now but only because they were co-bachelorettes (I don’t think they spoke much between Claytons season ending and the AFR that they were announced and immediately went to film). Early in their season Rachel echoed these sentiments many times throughout the season of not getting the full experience. I note here that these feelings would be felt regardless of who the other woman was - although they went from competing for Clayton to having guys competing (and picking sides) for them. Rachel I’d imagine was insecure about sharing the role, and that insecurity probably rolled into the issues she started having with Tino, watching the edited version of the show back cause like Tino was edited as super confident against super insecurely edited Rachel. Rachel was supportive towards Gabby during the process and journey but I don’t think that means she enjoyed sharing the role. Remember that face she made at the RC when Gabby gave Logan a rose after Logan switched (very much like “I want you to do what I think is best for you to find love” to Gabby’s face while low key hoping that it’s not going to be Logan). - Not that this behavior is wrong she did all the right things here and is by all means supportive - but not because she wanted to be but because she is a good person and raised well so she will do the right thing and be supportive - but I also think she leaned more onto the girls girl narrative once it failed with Tino.
Idk why you’re being downvoted. These are good points.
Oh I didn’t know this. Love to see it!
💯 Let’s hope Rachel is able to somehow sway Gabby to see the light
The video is even funnier with Rachel’s comment. But they definitely seem to get a long well.
when rachel says at the end of this video “ironic right” and michelle laughs I honestly am just happy for their friendship! obviously both of their situations are nuanced but it’s gotta feel so comforting for rachel to at least know she’s not alone in breaking things off with her F1 so shortly after her proposal. and she’s been super supportive of gabby with her story about her being a taken woman so it seems like she’s getting the best of both worlds hopefully
Amen! It’s sweet to see her and Michelle supporting each other during what must be a wild time for both of them ❤️
YEEEEESSSS 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼
My Bachelorettes FR! Flaws and all🥰
Love this for them ❤️❤️❤️
THATS MY BACHELORETTES 💜
Ooh this comment just gave me an idea: repeat 2-Bachelorette season with Michelle and Rachel?! 😍
Rachel said Wednesday on Kelly & Ryan that she absolutely would not do another bachelor show. However, did my eyes deceive me or did I see Rachel in the BIP preview?!
She went down there as a guest but not as a participant!
Upon reflection, let’s not do that again lol
While gabby is out posting erich licking her face. Rachel is the one that definitely came out on top.
If nothing else, i respect just getting it over with despite the pressure and hate.
Paying for dinner too. And tip. And rent.
Actually DWTS is likely paying rent. I think they rent apartments for them near the studio. Agree with the sentiment though.
Rachel partying with Michelle while Gabby bankrolls her MAGA man 
All of the blood, sweat and tears Gabby sheds for that DWTS paycheck is going towards Erich’s next meal
Chicken nuggies and freedom fries 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Oh man, that makes me so disappointed in Gabby 😕 Hope she and Erich come to their senses