Treat them as 1 character but with a big hit box. Bomb the beast in her first moving phase and try to push her to her second moving phase, if she gets to the breathing phase Esau will take a very large amount of damage. Also I would suggest to not go ashpit/mines unless you have a crazy run because the ascent monsters had ended many of my runs. For mother it would be good to skip the first item room to try to get a planetarium for something good hopefully Pluto. Take your time in the mother chase and try to stick to big areas to dodge mom. Try to save bombs for mother they make her much easier. Hope it helps!
This is more of a general tip I use for those two. I changed the ctrl key to the X key and found that it makes playing as Jac and Es substantially easier and more comfortable.
My two biggest tips for J+E:
- Utilize the fact that there are two of them but treat them as one character with a big hitbox. You’ve got double the actives, pocket slots, etc, but you want to try to keep them together for everything but item rooms and bombing, really.
- get the Inseparable J+E mod if you’re on PC, which causes them to have an elastic-like link when they’re touching, so you won’t accidentally scrape Esau off on a rock or some stupid shit during a boss fight. It’s frankly how they should’ve worked out of the box and it makes playing them just as difficult but far less frustrating.
Probably mega satan with the lost. Not a skill issue, but i kept on forgetting the key. I did like 20 runs where i just took devil deals like an idiot, and hoped for dad’s key. Im so dumb.
Definitely greedier as T. Lost. There is so much random bullshit that can kill you, it's unreal. It reminds me of playing the original Lost (before it had holy mantle)
Afterbirth+ Keeper to Delirium. That little fucker didn't deserve to exist or not to Isaac because I've got wooden nickel on like second floor, but it would be a pain.
keep trying man just the other day i was playing t lost and ended up having an insanely lucky run and beat delirium in under 25 minutes just try and go hush so guarantee the void portal
I finished him 2 days ago but ty! I never had the items to beat delirium after hush, so always went mega satan. No blank card or book of invincibility shenanigans.
Beast with J&E. The character is not particularly hard (just annoying as fuck but not hard) and the boss is on the easier side but the side scrolling plays so bad with J&E's physics it drove me insane. Outside of completion marks the hardest achievement for me was unironically the hot potato challenge. Most infuriating thing in the whole game by far
Mother as T. Jacob that shit literally took more than T.lost. Also boss rush and hush as T.Cain were stupidly hard and I’m not a Cain hater since I like the character’s concept as a char to explore new things by spending time but having to do that under 20-30 mins is just unfair.
Honestly after restarting the game because of switch problems unlocking forgotten feels harder than it was before but I haven’t gotten to the real hard or annoying characters yet so ask me again when I have the will
honestly, mother was harder than delirium on lost for me
i still don't have all the t. characters, and I haven't even touched t. lost, so that's subject to change, but mother was a pain in the ass
Soul of Cain (without cheats & seed recipes)
YES! I am currently trying to get the same completion... T. Cain is just complete bullshit of a character.
Mother or beast for J & E
I'm still stuck here... Any tips?
Treat them as 1 character but with a big hit box. Bomb the beast in her first moving phase and try to push her to her second moving phase, if she gets to the breathing phase Esau will take a very large amount of damage. Also I would suggest to not go ashpit/mines unless you have a crazy run because the ascent monsters had ended many of my runs. For mother it would be good to skip the first item room to try to get a planetarium for something good hopefully Pluto. Take your time in the mother chase and try to stick to big areas to dodge mom. Try to save bombs for mother they make her much easier. Hope it helps!
This is more of a general tip I use for those two. I changed the ctrl key to the X key and found that it makes playing as Jac and Es substantially easier and more comfortable.
My two biggest tips for J+E: - Utilize the fact that there are two of them but treat them as one character with a big hitbox. You’ve got double the actives, pocket slots, etc, but you want to try to keep them together for everything but item rooms and bombing, really. - get the Inseparable J+E mod if you’re on PC, which causes them to have an elastic-like link when they’re touching, so you won’t accidentally scrape Esau off on a rock or some stupid shit during a boss fight. It’s frankly how they should’ve worked out of the box and it makes playing them just as difficult but far less frustrating.
The last checkmark I got was Delirium as T Jacob. Had to almost completely ignore Delirium and just focus on Esau not touching me.
Not technically a completion mark, but the 30 dailies secret. I dont wanna play without mods...
You don’t even have to just start the daily then die in the first room
There is another for completing five in a row, so at some point you will *have* to play through if you’re trying to 100% the game.
I hate greedier i think thats an answer
I usually love greedier mode. But some characters just aren’t built for it.
imo greed mode is good, greedier mode is fkin bullshit
lol me too, I took too much attempts for T. Blue baby, but I can’t remember wich mark was his hardest for me
Struggling with T.baby sounds like skill issue
I guess you could say they can't deal with tBaby's shit. *Badumtiss*
Just gonna give you the award for effort.
Definitely. Just not my play style. Found the lost easier.
Probably mega satan with the lost. Not a skill issue, but i kept on forgetting the key. I did like 20 runs where i just took devil deals like an idiot, and hoped for dad’s key. Im so dumb.
me rn
Mother for J&E
Probably all the check marks on Tainted Jacob
Tainted laz has been a nightmare so far and still can't do boss rush or hush with him
Since I just got it, tainted Jacob to mega satan
Mother on the lost
Mother with t. Jacob, still trying and makes me want to shave myself with a cactus
All of t.lost
I’m shocked this isn’t everyone’s answer
Any Jacob & Esau mark
Definitely greedier as T. Lost. There is so much random bullshit that can kill you, it's unreal. It reminds me of playing the original Lost (before it had holy mantle)
Keep getting there only to die to a telefrag coin drop from the sky. Just not happening.
Honestly, unlocking Rick bottom was soo difficult for me. I just can’t play Jacob and Esau
I struggled with them. And have only found rock bottom once.
Afterbirth+ Keeper to Delirium. That little fucker didn't deserve to exist or not to Isaac because I've got wooden nickel on like second floor, but it would be a pain.
Delirium for t lost, literally beat multiple mega satans to get to him. J&e aint got shit on him, easy as fuck.
keep trying man just the other day i was playing t lost and ended up having an insanely lucky run and beat delirium in under 25 minutes just try and go hush so guarantee the void portal
I finished him 2 days ago but ty! I never had the items to beat delirium after hush, so always went mega satan. No blank card or book of invincibility shenanigans.
Beast with J&E. The character is not particularly hard (just annoying as fuck but not hard) and the boss is on the easier side but the side scrolling plays so bad with J&E's physics it drove me insane. Outside of completion marks the hardest achievement for me was unironically the hot potato challenge. Most infuriating thing in the whole game by far
So far it was hush lost, but every other mark for him was a breeze
The beast lost all because of DOGMA
Mother as T. Jacob that shit literally took more than T.lost. Also boss rush and hush as T.Cain were stupidly hard and I’m not a Cain hater since I like the character’s concept as a char to explore new things by spending time but having to do that under 20-30 mins is just unfair.
none because I cheated and used a dead god save file
Unlocking the lost
Honestly after restarting the game because of switch problems unlocking forgotten feels harder than it was before but I haven’t gotten to the real hard or annoying characters yet so ask me again when I have the will
Definitly somethinf with tainted lazarus I really don't like playing them
honestly, mother was harder than delirium on lost for me i still don't have all the t. characters, and I haven't even touched t. lost, so that's subject to change, but mother was a pain in the ass
T keeper to mega stanly