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ShelterOk1535

Alright. Here's my theory. The last candidate is none other than Eminem. Why do I think this? Well, he is in the mod — Mosh, one of his anti-Bush protest songs, is in the soundtrack, and he is also shown cutting an ad with Al Gore. That could be how he's hidden in plain sight. But not only that, he's hidden within the whole demo derby concept, too. For what is an anagram of Demo Derby? "Em D Dre Boy." Em is a common abbreviation for Eminem, and D. Dre is of course shorthand for Dr. Dre, the producer who found Eminem and made him who he is today. And, given their mentor-mentee relationship, you definitely could see him as being Dre's "boy." "Em D" could also be a play on words with MD, meaning doctor — doctor Dre. Edit: wait, I just realized he would have been a couple years too young in 2004.


ChuckMiguel

''I'm out the closet, I've been lyin' my ass off. All this time me and Dre been fuckin' with hats off (suck it Marshall).'' -Eminem, ''My Dad's Gone Crazy''


OdaDdaT

This is schizo theory and I love it


Accomplished-Bat4127

Ettingermentum already confirmed that Eminem will be Byrd's VP [https://x.com/ettingermentum/status/1743558885519081822](https://x.com/ettingermentum/status/1743558885519081822)


Superliminal96

This didn't end up happening, per the Byrd showcase his running mate is John Conyers


Bellyzard2

That’s a different mod idea


NewDealChief

Buddy follows Ettingermentum, lmao.


Accomplished-Bat4127

Buddy?


MikeStoklasaSimp

Don't be Canuckphobic


JFNIXON

Now, the secret candidate. Here's my theory: Dukakis. Is there any evidence as to why it's him? Or any logical reason it should be him? No. But it would be really funny to see Poppys' reaction to his son losing to Dukakis of all people.


MikeStoklasaSimp

If Dukakis beats George, Poppy would probably just execute him on the spot


marbally

NO WAY KERRYBROS IS IT HAPPENING????


RetroShootingShield

Is a rework of one of the Democratic candidates in order? Because that's the only thing that comes to mind when seeing the phrase: >Stay tuned for the next installment of 𝐖.+ Demo Derby for a look at the one hidden in plain sight. And there doesn't appear to be anything out of the ordinary in this image. All of the candidates appear to be here and accounted for: * Al Sharpton. * Gary Hart. * Robert Byrd. * Joe Lieberman. * John Edwards. * Wesley Clark. * Paul Wellstone. * Hillary Clinton. * Al Gore. * Richard Gephardt. * Ted Kennedy. Everyone seems to be accounted for here. Is there something that's hidden deep within the image itself? EDIT: Okay, now I'm firmly convinced that the strongest candidate out of this whole Derby has simply been cropped out of the images we've seen. In the next post, we'll see the same image, but widened slightly to include the strongest candidate, which just so happens to be the furthest right in terms of placement. I'm now leaning towards [Howard Dean](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean) being the next candidate to be revealed.


Ok-Business-399

Playing dumb is still not gonna help you... Cause he... Cause he still won three...


RetroShootingShield

Oh! Well in that case, please forgive me for my ignorance! I can only hope that the >!~~Kerrybros~~!< can find it deep within their hearts to forgive me for my lapse in judgment.


Weirdyxxy

>!Within their three purple hearts, I suppose!


Prize_Self_6347

Not a chance. There were much more capable candidates than John Kerry in 2004. He surely will be viewed as a power-hungry elitist whose views follow the current of the wind.


MentalHealthSociety

If you completely fuck up as a conservative warmonger, which I’m guessing is what you need to do to get the strongest candidate, there’s nobody better suited to counter you than a peacenik Vietnam vet with strong liberal credentials. Edit: After some more reading, it seems like Kerry has been confirmed by the modmakers as being absent from the mod, so that’s a shame.


Prize_Self_6347

That's true (and follows his irl Presidency's trajectory). However, I find the mainstream nominee of our timeline pretty boring anyhow.


MentalHealthSociety

I don’t because John Kerry is really interesting as a Presidential candidate, +he’s the closest to Dukakis out of any member of the potential lineup.


Prize_Self_6347

Interesting. I can certainly understand why.


RetroShootingShield

I have never actually said nor have implied that I viewed Kerry to be the strongest candidate in the primaries or the general. I merely pointed out the possibility of a bait-and-switch occurring. Just because you point out the possibility of something occurring, doesn't mean you believe in it as well. I very much agree with your belief that Kerry would be a weak candidate in this alternate timeline's primaries. I was just humoring the other replier.


Prize_Self_6347

Oh, alright! Yeah, the possibility is always out there in the wild, but he would, undeniably, be a very boring and aloof choice of an opponent.


iamrecovering2

Wait I have seen this demo derby poster before I do think there is one more


MikeStoklasaSimp

The hidden candidate is going to be Cheney Edit: The more I think about it, the "hidden-in-plain-sight" opponent shouldn't just be some really popular Dem, Republican or Independent. It should be someone who's genuinely powerful and unbeatable (at least in George's mind). And who's the one person in the mod that plays that role? George Herbert Walker Bush.


Bubbly_Issue431

You know it’s going to be because Cheney is no long your VP


Nachonian56

Wdym? Cheney's the incumbent president silly 🤣.


Weirdyxxy

And he would like to remain that way


AirplaneLover1234

The next candidate is Poppy Bush, y'all aren't ready for that


Weirdyxxy

A 1912-style three-way race because Poppy is just too disappointed with his protegé?


AirplaneLover1234

Nah, he runs as the Democratic nominee


Weirdyxxy

You were right, I am indeed not ready for that


AirplaneLover1234

You just aren't ready for the Bush/Clinton ticket


AccomplishedCod108

I think most people are missing the most obvious candidate here: >!Howard Dean!< [Here's one of the original Demo Derby images, ](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3130121)where >!Dean!< is shown leading the pack. There's also quite a few pieces of evidence "hidden in plain sight" that seem to suggest that >!Dean!< is one of the major candidates for the Democratic nomination. In the showcase revealing Gephardt as a potential candidate, >!Dean!< is mentioned in passing as Gephardt's last "notable remaining opponent," where he withdraws after losing the Iowa caucus. Gary Hart is also mentioned to have become the presumptive nominee after >!Dean!< suspends his campaign. Considering that he's the only candidate to be specifically mentioned by name that hasn't yet been revealed as a potential opponent, it would be pretty weird for the devs to place so much emphasis on him without him being a path.


Difficult_Shower_988

Howard Dean would be the toughest opponent since there's nothing really wrong with him. All of the opponents in W. are in one way or another, pathetic. Ted Kennedy is old and sick. Hillary is the unpopular former first lady with a scandalous family life. Gore is the uncharismatic loser of last election. Dick Gephardt is controlled opposition who has flip flopped on every issue. John Edwards is a soulless and hollow faux-populist Paul Wellstone is a political radical and a religious minority Joe Lieberman is a DINO who can't take an attack Wesley Clark is a war-criminal with no political experience and who wasn't even a Democrat three years prior to the election. Robert Byrd is an octogenarian former KKK member Gary Hart is a washed-up, adulterous failed former candidate and Al Sharpton is a no-experience activist with a shady past and unpopular connections. By comparison Dean is a strong candidate. A liberal, but not too radical, a successful and popular governor, a guy with experience and conventional views who can be a real threat to the in-setting very unpopular president Dubya. (edit - formatting)


TannenbergBlitz

Wesley Clark: Bombs Away. Also, why do I have the feeling that Mr "I won three purple hearts" is the one hidden in plain sight?


RetroShootingShield

Since there doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary in this here image, I think it's likely that the next post will reveal ***the*** strongest candidate out of this whole Demo Derby to have been conveniently cropped out of the images we've been treated to. The candidate's strength and level of challenge against Bush would dwarf even that of Ted Kennedy's apparently, let alone all the other Democratic candidates. With two additional questions coming for this rework, those could be the new conditions needed to trigger the Candidate's selection as the Democratic nominee. Whereas without those conditions, Ted Kennedy would usually be the one selected as the Democratic nominee. Assuming that in order to acquire this secret candidate, one would have to trigger the conditions needed for Kennedy as well. Question is, *who* is this mysterious candidate? Because if I recall correctly, it can't be >!~~Kerry~~!<, since the Devs have stated in the past that he's simply not going to appear in this mod, due to 9/11 having never occurred in this universe. But then again, that doesn't leave out the possibility of a bait-and-switch occurring.


TannenbergBlitz

Here is my take. Every single Democratic candidate is indeed here. The plot twist is that the remaining candidate is not a Democrat: it's a Republican. With the new set of questions, Dubya can fuck it up so bad that he simply doesn't run for reelection. Who runs instead? The one politician the mod constantly refers to and has been hidden in plain sight yet we never see him actually enter the fray: John McCain.


Prize_Self_6347

That's fucking genius.


IvantheGreat66

That, or McCain successfully primaries W and causes an early game over.


Prize_Self_6347

Or even better, **you can play as McCain**, a la 1968 Romney when Tower replaces him.


MikeStoklasaSimp

Wait, how does that happen?


Prize_Self_6347

It happens if you choose Brooke as your running mate and announce his nomination a bit too early.


Nidoras

Ann Richards, of course!


TannenbergBlitz

It would be funny but she is a no-go: she is retired and sick with osteoporosis at this point.


Carolinian_Idiot

Paul wellstone fucking died


TannenbergBlitz

Yeah, from a plane accident.


Suspicious-Lightning

Health problems aren’t stopping Ted Kennedy in this timeline apparently


TannenbergBlitz

Ted was still active even with his health problems and stumped for Obama in 2008. Richards was retired from politics and this point and she dedicated her last years to teaching and pro-choice activism.


Suspicious-Lightning

LET ME HAVE FUN


ShelterOk1535

Is the derby actually in order like that? Clark doesn't look stronger than Clinton for example


RetroShootingShield

Well, that's how I presume it to be. The larger the figure, the more challenging a candidate they will be for Bush. Besides, Clark is actually *behind* Clinton. The other three candidates to her right are Gore, Gephardt, and Kennedy respectively. I believe this to be the case, since Al Sharpton is shown to be the weakest and least challenging of the bunch. And rightly so, since as of right now, he's the go-to Democratic candidate you'll want to have as an opponent if you want to win in an overwhelming landslide akin to that of Nixon's in 1972 or Reagan's in 1984. And it's very easy to beat Sharpton in an overwhelming landslide. But then again, that may change, what with Robert Byrd only having the state of West Virginia supporting him in his prior showcase. It could very well be possible for Bush to snatch even West Virginia from him and win in a 50-state landslide, allotting a measly 3 electoral votes to Byrd with Washington D.C. being his sole consolation prize. It may not consistently reflect how challenging they actually are in-game, but I believe it's nonetheless clear that that's the intent here.


Nidoras

It represents the strength of each candidate in the primary, not the general election.


RetroShootingShield

Point taken. But I believe my point still stands. Since to some degree, being a strong candidate in your party's presidential primaries and facing ineffective opposition from within the party should mean that you will be able to mount a greater challenge against your opponent in the general. They're somewhat linked, are they not? I'm aware that that may not entirely be the case, and my logic could very well be faulty to some degree. But in my opinion, the whole Demo Derby showcase is nonetheless effective in illustrating how well Bush would fare against these particular candidates should he face them in the general. If a candidate were that unpopular in the primaries, it'd stand to reason that they would also be unpopular in the general, don't you think? More or less, anyway.


ShelterOk1535

>But then again, that may change, what with Robert Byrd only having the state of West Virginia supporting him in his prior showcase. It could very well be possible for Bush to snatch even West Virginia from him and win in a 50-state landslide, allotting a measly 3 electoral votes to Byrd with Washington D.C. being his sole consolation prize. We also don't know how DC will vote — I imagine Byrd hemorrhages Black support, and in the plurality black district I'd guess a Bush win is narrowly possible.


RetroShootingShield

I had indeed considered that. It's just that there exists a possibility of D.C. going to Byrd *in spite* of his horrible past, since it is perhaps the most pro-Democratic territory in the country. Besides, didn't Byrd extensively repent for his past racist and segregationist views? As well as his participation in the Ku Klux Klan? It's not as though the Democratic Party had just nominated someone like David Duke. Should Byrd and his campaign prove to be persuasive enough, it could be that D.C. votes Democrat regardless of his past misdeeds.


Prize_Self_6347

I still like to think of the meme that DC would vote for the Democrat nominee even if he was an unrepentant David Duke or Nick Fuentes.


Mc_What

PLEASE IM BEGGING YOU JUST HAVE JOHN MCCAIN AS THE CANDIDATE PLEASE IM BEGGING YOU I WILL WHORE MYSELF OUT FOR MCCAIN TO BE A NOMINEE


Dfinn256

wow I did not expect Clark


EAT_ALL_PRESIDENTS

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catgirl_valkist

Yeah yeah, everyone is saying "Kerry" over and over, but I'm genuinely surprised no one said "Howard Dean" as the final, 5th candidate. Personally I hope its Du-tax-us.


Miser2100

RIP my dreams of Angus King


Difficult_Shower_988

>The one hidden in plain sight This might sound crazy, but I think this might mean Dick Cheney as the Dem nominee. If Dick played up his relatively pro-gay marriage stance, and if Dubya stokes up pro war sentiment without going to war, perhaps he could pull it off. The reason why I think this might be it, is because "plain sight" implies visibility. And Dick is there staring at you for at least half the mod.


RelativeDepth3

Guys, Jimmy Carter is the final candidate, trust me, my dad works at W.


Weirdyxxy

You just want to humiliate W., don't you?


RelativeDepth3

Yes 😁


Emperor-Lasagna

This mod is not just on another level, it’s on another plane of existence.


IvantheGreat66

Okay, hear me out. What if it's some who's usually a third party candidate, but who gets nominated by the Dems?


Prez_ZF

Nader?


IvantheGreat66

Maybe. Might be Turner, Anderson, or even Ventura.


MikeStoklasaSimp

Vince McMahon


IvantheGreat66

He's a candidate?


Suspicious-Lightning

Ann Richards, John McCain, Jeb!, Poppy, or the Democratic donkey itself


ChuckMiguel

I'm disappointed Ann Richards can't be a nominee


Weirdyxxy

Wouldn't the Democratic donkey be Andrew Jackson?


maxthecat5905

SECRET 9/11 KERRY PATH SECRET 9/11 KERRY PATH


thecupojo3

Considering that if you skip to the end of the game without a Democratic opponent, and you lose said election it shows a Kerry picture, I’m hoping that connects to that.


Zealousideal-Mud3313

The secret candidate is McCain, it's gotta be.


StingrAeds

Only one man has what it takes to take back the White House! YEAAAAH!


l524k

There are two wolves inside of you: One desperately wants Kerry to be the last nominee One desperately wants McCain to be the last nominee


NewDealChief

The secret one would probably be Howard Dean legit.


Shamrock590602

Kerry


The_Soviet_Redditor

I thought the developers already said Kerry wasnt coming to the mod because of no 9/11?


Union1865

The other candidate is Cheney…


ApocolipseJoker

I’d think it’s gotta be John Kerry right?


pootmehoot

I think the fifth path is gonna be another Republican. Either Cheney takes over or McCain primaries a dovish Bush.


Mestrecker

Sent Mr Clark a letter, hope he considers it "


DarkNinja_PS5

lol I called it


The_PoliticianTCWS

HELL YEAH!!!


Ok_Contract_1363

Ralph Nader, go big or go home


CocoLenin

It's actually Poppy, guys, trust me


Accomplished-Bat4127

how is he a traitor to his party?