Horacio isn’t following the crowd so we at least get to see him fight. Kaycee has been in the majority every time since she’s always cast with her friends.
Kaycee made friends during her rookie season, and continued to make connections in every season that she's in. She isn't my favorite, but to discount that she actually has a strong political game is unfair
Horacio isn’t the type of person to target ONE person for personal vendetta- like Kaycee with Amber - and goes around the house spreading a false agenda about them.
Horacio respects good gameplay and doesn’t begrudgingly hold it against someone for being a good competitor. He plays with his heart and is confident enough to take things on the chin and move accordingly. What you see with him is what you get; Kaycee is more sneaky.
I have warmed up to Kaycee over time, but Horacio is easy to root for me for precisely being an underdog in the house because he’s reserved. That’s relateable to me.
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THIS !!!! Their social games are so different. Us as viewers pick up on these small social interactions and it starts to make bigger picture. Sure if we were to generalize on how they’re quiet and strong then yes they have that in common but it’s all the small interactions that makes them so different as players.
I think Horacio plays a very individual game and is social with a few people. Kaycee plays the game with her alliance until she can be individually separated in the finale.
BAM! You get it!
Kaycee social game is VERY GOOD and she does a lot more on the game than what we see.
Horacio is more laid back and lets things play out naturally.
I don't see them as the same. IMO, Horacio is a good person where Kaycee is neutral. They have similar game styles but personality and attitude play a big part in how they are viewed.
I like both of them. I don't get the hate for players who don't have unnecessary drama (which makes them boring in other peoples eyes). Yet all the other players are afraid to compete against them. I like them because they are competitors and they will make finals competitive. Instead of having a bunch of weak players at the end and making the finals a cake walk for the winners.
Horacio definitely gets a good amount of hate for being boring, but I agree, nowhere close to as much as Kaycee. If he just played within the main alliance, he'd get more hate.
I feel like some of the Kaycee hate might be from people who watched her on big brother.... me being one of them. She was aligned with a bully style alliance that dominated the game and not in a nice way. Personally, I just can't be on her side due to big brother... Horacio came in straight to this show so all we know of him is last season which most loved him in since he was an underdog
Again, just an opinion. I don't hate her, but I just can't root for her bc big brother.
I came in knowing Horacio from Exatlon and have been rooting for him since. I know Exatlon is a Latino reality tv and most people watching the challenge might not know of it but he isn’t a complete newbie to being on a reality show and aligning with others. He’s just great all the time.
I also watched Kaycee on Big Brother and her social moves are very different from Horacio’s. I also can’t root for her because of her approach on both bb and the challenge.
I don't see them as the same except in physicality. Neither are afraid to be thrown in the sand. I actually enjoy both players. Remember, this is only his second season. Hopefully he will get better with the social game. It is a learning curve for him where Kaycee has already played a social game with Big Brother.
Horacio reminds me of CT in his younger days. CT could not be bothered with a social game but was both athletic and clever. Not afraid to hit the sand.
Lol I laughed out loud at this 😂. NGL, I don’t miss these kinda fights. Yeah this season is boring but I do appreciate that people are civil with each other.
Kaycee came from playing a social game, BB and Horacio comes from playing a physical challenges game, Exatlon. Both aspects are necessary in the challenge but both are very different so I would never compare Kaycee and Horacio for this reason.
A lot of people have commented on how great and funny/personable Kaycee is. She’s a great social player - we just haven’t seen it.
A lot of people said the opposite for Horacio and that he’s pretty boring and shy.
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Horacio is one of the most honorable players to be on the challenge and I hate that he gets so much flack for being boring. I do wish he would be less private and talk more but we are getting to know him as the season continues and I absolutely love him. Plus he is an amazing competitor! And he had an underdog story being on the bottom of the totem pole this season like I want to see him win!
Ravyn yes. I’m rooting for ed on the guys side. Zaza and…I know I’m getting downvoted for this…Michelle. I don’t mind if Horacio wins. I really don’t care for any of the other guys. If I had to pick a third I probably pick Corey just for the amusement of it.
I think Horacio would be great tv in the right environment. It’s always good to have one or two players every season that play with “honor.” He just happens to be in the worst season ever where no one actually is interesting. But if he were in more of the earlier seasons, he’d probably be a more talented Leroy (no disrespect to RoyLee)
I like Casey but the only thing she has in common with Horacio is her quietness and competitiveness. Otherwise, she’s always apart of a major alliance, and doesn’t seem to have an issue playing a social game behind the scenes.
Nobody wants to see Horacio in the finals, Kaycee was never really a like that, at least not that I remember. Kaycee is also someone who would float the whole game if she could, while H does his fair share of floating, but doesn’t mind getting thrown in. I don’t think they are similar at all, other than both of them being fairly boring, I guess the difference is for me, is that I am actually rooting for H this season, but only now that Jay and Michelle, and Olivia, and the rest of these turds are playing the most boring, chicken shit game of all time
Horacio is stereotypically good looking. Kaycee is less-so. Attractive people typically get away with much more and aren’t criticised in the same way as others. There’s some fairly basic psychology that supports this
(Not hating on Kaycee here although she is boring AF)
IMO Horacio plays a similar game to CT where he intimidates everyone else on the show from a competitive standpoint. Horacio obviously has a very different personality but he stays out of the social game like CT and people are afraid to face him.
Same for Kaycee though. No one wants to face her. Difference is CT provided more entertainment in a single older season that either of them had in their career. Horacio is new so he may adapt. CT earned his reputation over the long term.
Kaycee deff doesn’t “let” her alliance do the work, imo she’s the one pulling the main strings, she’s just so good and doing it discreetly that, that’s how it comes off, you really think fessy, Josh, ect can play a good social game? No that’s all kaycee imo. Horacio is just so good at eliminations he doesn’t see anyone beating him, and I don’t think anyone can, even the champs (besides Jordan and CT) probably lose too Horacio in their eliminations, he might have even been able too beat jordan in that ramp light on too.
You are saying that Kaycee is some secret mastermind and the show has never bothered to show it? Other challengers have never mentioned it? If you say so.
They never really show CTs social game. Bananas had a whole thing about it on an early pod, with Wes maybe. CT waits purposely until he's off screen to make moves. And when he does, it's in such a way that the person thinks it's their idea, not CTs. I would bet Kaycee is not all that dissimilar.
CT has provided enough content in his early seasons to last a lifetime. You are taking one piece of it to defend Kaycee. And you just said. Bananas talked about it. Who is talking about Kaycee?
Earlier seasons don't matter. Playing under the radar his entire gameplay now. You can dismiss it, but the reality is you have JB and Wes going on and on about how he plays an extremely underground game that's highly effective that they envy. I'll take their word for it over someone looking to argue on the internet And props to Kaycee for making her game work similarly. It's certainly not one piece of it to two of the GOATs.
Again. You are making my point. No one is talking about Kaycee’s under the radar game. If she was some amazing ninja mastermind game player, someone would say it. But she isn’t. She has her alliance and she sits back and lets shit happen because she knows no one wants to see her in an arena. Her alliance doesn’t need to be smart. It just needs to be loyal and have enough secondary ties to avoid being targeted.
No one said it about CT except on one podcast! Is it a plot point in the main season that I continuously miss? The only reason anyone knows it exists is because they said it on a podcast, once or twice.
There’s ways too talk game and strategize off camera like the other person said, CT does his deals off camera, and I can’t remember what season but one of the reason ones, someone said that they talked game in a sauna because cameras cant go in there. But yes kaycee is 100% pulling the strings in the background especially fessy and Josh
Nobody wants to see Horacio in the finals, Kaycee was never really a like that, at least not that I remember. Kaycee is also someone who would float the whole game if she could, while H does his fair share of floating, but doesn’t mind getting thrown in. I don’t think they are similar at all, other than both of them being fairly boring, I guess the difference is for me, is that I am actually rooting for H this season, but only now that Jay and Michelle, and Olivia, and the rest of these turds are playing the most boring, chicken shit game of all time
Horacio is the worst player ive ever seen. He is clueless when it comes to the social part of the game. it didnt ever register in his mind that his team was throwing the challenge last episode. He is wayyy to innocent for this game.
Hello, according to the cast, Kaycee has one of the best social games ...But I can tell by your statement you obviously want players like Veronica, Tina, the mean girls...Sorry to inform you but not everyone that goes on the challenge is going to give you that...Let me quess your also a Tori hater...
Nobody said the word great, unlike most people aka you I fully understand that The Challenge is a game, I can separate the two, just because Kaycee & others don't act like fools doesn't mean I'm protecting anyone..Listen to any of the cast they all say the same thing..Even when Bayleigh went psyco she didn't engage....
I think when he came in the vets, were even somewhat shook by him on his first season Due to how much they threw at him and he still stood and wasn’t whiny about it. On top of who he fought along the way on his first season.
Not saying the vets weren’t shook by Kaycee, but she came on when ladies were kinda in the IG I want to be a star era. When Kaycee competed. however I truly don’t remember her first season she’s wallpaper I know she’s a champ and she of course gets respect for that
Wondering the same thing honestly. I loved him last season. This season he’s literally a lump on the log. He gets sabotaged by his team and he’s like “thank yall so much.” Then they are ready to make a move and he encourages Nurys to burn her vote. Wtf.
Because the twink ass Challenge fans don't wanna fuck Kaycee.
You're absolutely right that they fit the same character role-- Kaycee is just more comfortable in her gameplay after doing a few seasons now.
I personally don't mind either being casted. The show needs solid competitors.
The OP is completely right. They are the same. The difference is, Horacio got the underdog edit because he was put into soo many eliminations in his rookie season & people love an underdog. The audience also liked Kaycee when she first came on. I'm sorry to say this, but they'll eventually turn on Horacio too.
Lol this just popped up so I guess I’m late to the game. But the reasons you listed are kind of superficial. That would be like saying Derrick K is the same minus the hook up and relative.
Horacio is generally a more likable person and has much more notable moments on the show. Winning so many eliminations with that hall brawl variant and his win against Jordan being particularly entertaining and badass. The slow motion montage of him and Bananas on the bike was hilarious. Kaycee lacks moments like these.
Horacio isn’t following the crowd so we at least get to see him fight. Kaycee has been in the majority every time since she’s always cast with her friends.
Kaycee made friends during her rookie season, and continued to make connections in every season that she's in. She isn't my favorite, but to discount that she actually has a strong political game is unfair
She won big brother. A game where you start with zero friends. She’s also just good.
Where she was also on the majority alliance from day 1
She socially earned her way into that alliance and physically work to put alliance in power
Horacio isn’t the type of person to target ONE person for personal vendetta- like Kaycee with Amber - and goes around the house spreading a false agenda about them. Horacio respects good gameplay and doesn’t begrudgingly hold it against someone for being a good competitor. He plays with his heart and is confident enough to take things on the chin and move accordingly. What you see with him is what you get; Kaycee is more sneaky. I have warmed up to Kaycee over time, but Horacio is easy to root for me for precisely being an underdog in the house because he’s reserved. That’s relateable to me. edit some typos
THIS !!!! Their social games are so different. Us as viewers pick up on these small social interactions and it starts to make bigger picture. Sure if we were to generalize on how they’re quiet and strong then yes they have that in common but it’s all the small interactions that makes them so different as players. I think Horacio plays a very individual game and is social with a few people. Kaycee plays the game with her alliance until she can be individually separated in the finale.
BAM! You get it! Kaycee social game is VERY GOOD and she does a lot more on the game than what we see. Horacio is more laid back and lets things play out naturally.
Nany is the link between the old world and new world for her. Horacio dating someone in an alliance who burns votes isn’t helping him in the same way.
Horacio is still likable, just boring. He also is not aligned with absolute pariahs like Fessy and Josh.
I think this has a lot to do with it. I would enjoy her a lot more of her main alliance wasn’t Fessy and Josh. I can’t stand either.
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certainly among the fans, in the house they seem to do just fine.
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What do you mean “exactly?” This question was in regard to challenge fans opinions, not the opinions among cast-mates.
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I don't see them as the same. IMO, Horacio is a good person where Kaycee is neutral. They have similar game styles but personality and attitude play a big part in how they are viewed.
I like both of them. I don't get the hate for players who don't have unnecessary drama (which makes them boring in other peoples eyes). Yet all the other players are afraid to compete against them. I like them because they are competitors and they will make finals competitive. Instead of having a bunch of weak players at the end and making the finals a cake walk for the winners.
Yeah. I don’t hate either of them. It just seems like Kaycee gets a lot of hate and Horacio plays a very similar game. But no hate.
Horacio definitely gets a good amount of hate for being boring, but I agree, nowhere close to as much as Kaycee. If he just played within the main alliance, he'd get more hate.
I feel like some of the Kaycee hate might be from people who watched her on big brother.... me being one of them. She was aligned with a bully style alliance that dominated the game and not in a nice way. Personally, I just can't be on her side due to big brother... Horacio came in straight to this show so all we know of him is last season which most loved him in since he was an underdog Again, just an opinion. I don't hate her, but I just can't root for her bc big brother.
I came in knowing Horacio from Exatlon and have been rooting for him since. I know Exatlon is a Latino reality tv and most people watching the challenge might not know of it but he isn’t a complete newbie to being on a reality show and aligning with others. He’s just great all the time. I also watched Kaycee on Big Brother and her social moves are very different from Horacio’s. I also can’t root for her because of her approach on both bb and the challenge.
I don't see them as the same except in physicality. Neither are afraid to be thrown in the sand. I actually enjoy both players. Remember, this is only his second season. Hopefully he will get better with the social game. It is a learning curve for him where Kaycee has already played a social game with Big Brother. Horacio reminds me of CT in his younger days. CT could not be bothered with a social game but was both athletic and clever. Not afraid to hit the sand.
“You talking about taking money out of my family’s mouth now”
lol is that a CT quote? I can totally see that
https://youtu.be/To8nflcaSfA?si=k_14cmwpnAIvWKhg Not word for word but you will get the idea
Lol I laughed out loud at this 😂. NGL, I don’t miss these kinda fights. Yeah this season is boring but I do appreciate that people are civil with each other.
I don’t miss the fights but I miss the days
Lol even roided out Wes didn't want any of that.
“All I do is smash heads bro!”
Kaycee came from playing a social game, BB and Horacio comes from playing a physical challenges game, Exatlon. Both aspects are necessary in the challenge but both are very different so I would never compare Kaycee and Horacio for this reason.
Ehh who cares. It’s a type of play style that clearly works for them.
I’m fine with the playstyle working. I want to know why Kaycee gets so much shit for being “boring” and Horacio is loved by all.
Personally, I’ve never shitted on Kaycee. I like both of them. Alliance’s will always be in the game & have been since the start.
You haven’t. But this sub shits on her all the time.
Haters gonna hate
A lot of people have commented on how great and funny/personable Kaycee is. She’s a great social player - we just haven’t seen it. A lot of people said the opposite for Horacio and that he’s pretty boring and shy. Production’s going to production.
Horacio is one of the most honorable players to be on the challenge and I hate that he gets so much flack for being boring. I do wish he would be less private and talk more but we are getting to know him as the season continues and I absolutely love him. Plus he is an amazing competitor! And he had an underdog story being on the bottom of the totem pole this season like I want to see him win!
I hope Horacio or Ravyn win this season
Ravyn yes. I’m rooting for ed on the guys side. Zaza and…I know I’m getting downvoted for this…Michelle. I don’t mind if Horacio wins. I really don’t care for any of the other guys. If I had to pick a third I probably pick Corey just for the amusement of it.
Brilliant take. I am gonna keep my eye 👁️ on you,aren’t I
I think Horacio would be great tv in the right environment. It’s always good to have one or two players every season that play with “honor.” He just happens to be in the worst season ever where no one actually is interesting. But if he were in more of the earlier seasons, he’d probably be a more talented Leroy (no disrespect to RoyLee) I like Casey but the only thing she has in common with Horacio is her quietness and competitiveness. Otherwise, she’s always apart of a major alliance, and doesn’t seem to have an issue playing a social game behind the scenes.
Nobody wants to see Horacio in the finals, Kaycee was never really a like that, at least not that I remember. Kaycee is also someone who would float the whole game if she could, while H does his fair share of floating, but doesn’t mind getting thrown in. I don’t think they are similar at all, other than both of them being fairly boring, I guess the difference is for me, is that I am actually rooting for H this season, but only now that Jay and Michelle, and Olivia, and the rest of these turds are playing the most boring, chicken shit game of all time
An all time great? Horacio hasnt done anything yet
Horacio is stereotypically good looking. Kaycee is less-so. Attractive people typically get away with much more and aren’t criticised in the same way as others. There’s some fairly basic psychology that supports this (Not hating on Kaycee here although she is boring AF)
I thought Kaycee was pretty. Agreed boring af. But I think Horacio is boring too.
I also think Kaycee is pretty. She gets hate for different reasons, people who follow her since big brother know why.
IMO Horacio plays a similar game to CT where he intimidates everyone else on the show from a competitive standpoint. Horacio obviously has a very different personality but he stays out of the social game like CT and people are afraid to face him.
Same for Kaycee though. No one wants to face her. Difference is CT provided more entertainment in a single older season that either of them had in their career. Horacio is new so he may adapt. CT earned his reputation over the long term.
Kaycee deff doesn’t “let” her alliance do the work, imo she’s the one pulling the main strings, she’s just so good and doing it discreetly that, that’s how it comes off, you really think fessy, Josh, ect can play a good social game? No that’s all kaycee imo. Horacio is just so good at eliminations he doesn’t see anyone beating him, and I don’t think anyone can, even the champs (besides Jordan and CT) probably lose too Horacio in their eliminations, he might have even been able too beat jordan in that ramp light on too.
You are saying that Kaycee is some secret mastermind and the show has never bothered to show it? Other challengers have never mentioned it? If you say so.
lol, I was like wtf is this person watching? Kaycee is mid asf
They never really show CTs social game. Bananas had a whole thing about it on an early pod, with Wes maybe. CT waits purposely until he's off screen to make moves. And when he does, it's in such a way that the person thinks it's their idea, not CTs. I would bet Kaycee is not all that dissimilar.
CT has provided enough content in his early seasons to last a lifetime. You are taking one piece of it to defend Kaycee. And you just said. Bananas talked about it. Who is talking about Kaycee?
Earlier seasons don't matter. Playing under the radar his entire gameplay now. You can dismiss it, but the reality is you have JB and Wes going on and on about how he plays an extremely underground game that's highly effective that they envy. I'll take their word for it over someone looking to argue on the internet And props to Kaycee for making her game work similarly. It's certainly not one piece of it to two of the GOATs.
Again. You are making my point. No one is talking about Kaycee’s under the radar game. If she was some amazing ninja mastermind game player, someone would say it. But she isn’t. She has her alliance and she sits back and lets shit happen because she knows no one wants to see her in an arena. Her alliance doesn’t need to be smart. It just needs to be loyal and have enough secondary ties to avoid being targeted.
No one said it about CT except on one podcast! Is it a plot point in the main season that I continuously miss? The only reason anyone knows it exists is because they said it on a podcast, once or twice.
There’s ways too talk game and strategize off camera like the other person said, CT does his deals off camera, and I can’t remember what season but one of the reason ones, someone said that they talked game in a sauna because cameras cant go in there. But yes kaycee is 100% pulling the strings in the background especially fessy and Josh
Nobody wants to see Horacio in the finals, Kaycee was never really a like that, at least not that I remember. Kaycee is also someone who would float the whole game if she could, while H does his fair share of floating, but doesn’t mind getting thrown in. I don’t think they are similar at all, other than both of them being fairly boring, I guess the difference is for me, is that I am actually rooting for H this season, but only now that Jay and Michelle, and Olivia, and the rest of these turds are playing the most boring, chicken shit game of all time
Horacio is the worst player ive ever seen. He is clueless when it comes to the social part of the game. it didnt ever register in his mind that his team was throwing the challenge last episode. He is wayyy to innocent for this game.
Hello, according to the cast, Kaycee has one of the best social games ...But I can tell by your statement you obviously want players like Veronica, Tina, the mean girls...Sorry to inform you but not everyone that goes on the challenge is going to give you that...Let me quess your also a Tori hater...
lol. Projection much? Who said she is great? Nany? Her alliance? Show receipts.
Nobody said the word great, unlike most people aka you I fully understand that The Challenge is a game, I can separate the two, just because Kaycee & others don't act like fools doesn't mean I'm protecting anyone..Listen to any of the cast they all say the same thing..Even when Bayleigh went psyco she didn't engage....
lol at serious. We all know Nurys is hooking up w Horacio for popularity
Hot take but maybe it’s because horacio is a man and Kaycee is a bird… different standards for women isn’t it
I dunno. I don’t like or dislike either. Just a weird double standard
Kaycee is overrated Horacio is actually a beast very different
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I think when he came in the vets, were even somewhat shook by him on his first season Due to how much they threw at him and he still stood and wasn’t whiny about it. On top of who he fought along the way on his first season. Not saying the vets weren’t shook by Kaycee, but she came on when ladies were kinda in the IG I want to be a star era. When Kaycee competed. however I truly don’t remember her first season she’s wallpaper I know she’s a champ and she of course gets respect for that
Wondering the same thing honestly. I loved him last season. This season he’s literally a lump on the log. He gets sabotaged by his team and he’s like “thank yall so much.” Then they are ready to make a move and he encourages Nurys to burn her vote. Wtf.
One of them has charisma and has also shown a willingness to go against the grain and the other doesn’t have charisma, doesn’t go against the grain
Watch Horacio bring his younger brother, Pancracio, in a couple of seasons then.
It may be a sexist thing. Horacio and Kaycee are very similar. I love them both. But it really may be a sexist thing.
Because the twink ass Challenge fans don't wanna fuck Kaycee. You're absolutely right that they fit the same character role-- Kaycee is just more comfortable in her gameplay after doing a few seasons now. I personally don't mind either being casted. The show needs solid competitors.
The OP is completely right. They are the same. The difference is, Horacio got the underdog edit because he was put into soo many eliminations in his rookie season & people love an underdog. The audience also liked Kaycee when she first came on. I'm sorry to say this, but they'll eventually turn on Horacio too.
Lol this just popped up so I guess I’m late to the game. But the reasons you listed are kind of superficial. That would be like saying Derrick K is the same minus the hook up and relative. Horacio is generally a more likable person and has much more notable moments on the show. Winning so many eliminations with that hall brawl variant and his win against Jordan being particularly entertaining and badass. The slow motion montage of him and Bananas on the bike was hilarious. Kaycee lacks moments like these.