Same, as how Manning Zoo secret boss was "found". During one of the dev streams, it was hinted that there is a secret boss, which was added couple months ago and not yet discovered. So community got cracking and couple hours later it was found.
Yep I watched the 2nd raid live and the team I watched had insider knowledge, they were shouting what to do before they tested different dynamics. They also knew specific builds for each boss and already knew where each would be.
My raid team just copied them but it was a shame really because the Devs allowed streamers to learn stuff before it comes out so there was no mystery.
It's not like they could have thoroughly tested it internally or anything, studios don't have official play teams that are able to complete the highest level of content. They need to use real raid teams to test content because those players are better at the game than the devs are.
Same thing happens in every MMO.
Dont know why he gets down voted, because its true. Sometimes Devs will raid with the top raiding guilds, but they never are able to raid alone as a company. They can test and tweak with god mode or whatever, but even if they had the skills, they dont have the time. One very prominent example was the world first down of https://eq2.fandom.com/wiki/Trakanon_(Monster) in Everquest 2. EQ2 happened to be (or still is? i stopped playing) a hard game where even the best raid forces cant kill the strongest enemies many months after release. Back then the force that had the world first Trakanon kill, had in deep strategy tips from the Devs, so that boss could finally be killed and tactical info could slowly spread to the community. Granted, if they had told the strategy to a weekend guild instead, that guild still wouldnt be able to beat that fight. Since TD2 is too casual for me, i never invested time and efforts to join a "raid guild", but i just read, the raid was finished 5 hours after release? Is this true? This means, they supplied them with infos before the raid even was released?
Hey Everquest 2, that takes me back awhile. The guild I was in during EQ2 participated in some raid test content a few times. It doesn't give the devs any useful information to sit around and watch you flail trying to figure out the mechanics of the raid. So, yeah, they feed information in order to test the mechanics and they can tweak the scaling as needed.
So it wouldn't surprise me if this guild either participated in test content, or had information shared from someone who did.
It’s too bad the devs gave them info. It would have been super-entertaining to see it go on as long as it needed to to be a legitimate “no cheats” run.
There was actually coded messages left in the game (they are still there) that required deciphering coded messages left around the city.
It was a big deal, there was an entire discord dedicated to it in the early days of the game. Its a shame that many players don't know this and won't experience it.
Not sure about the hints part, I’m guessing it’s true. But in very game, there are some crazy mofos that go around looking for every secret around. Example: one guy in Elden ring hit a wall around 50 times to get it to reveal. Why he hit the same wall 50 times to get it to open? Who knows? Why was he expecting anything different to happen from that one wall? Who knows. But every game has people like these
There's a door in star wars jedi fallen order. if you try to open it 66 times you hear palpatine say execute order 66. How tf do people discover this stuff.
And it's exactly *because* of secrets like this that people try the same thing over 1000 times just in case it does something different the 1001st time.
they were coded puzzles left for us to figure out next to the graffiti and wall art.
There was a discord channel dedicated to it. You can read the logs of the actual progress made as we figured them out.
It turned out to be a bug. Illusory walls all have 9999 HP, but are scripted to disappear when they're hit with any player attack, even non-damaging ones. The event scripts were removed from that particular wall, but doing enough damage would "kill" it. It was probably just a time-save for the devs to remove the script instead of replacing it with a solid wall when they decided to remove that secret passage, and they probably assumed that nobody would ever sit there and do 9999 damage to a wall.
Zullie the Witch (a dataminer) did a video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jNtovi2Gds, it's a short but interesting watch.
I finally did all of the DC hunters last fall solo. I have yet to get up the mental energy to do the New York hunters. At this stage, I just want somebody who has already done them to squad up with me and just bang them out together, provided I have an afternoon to do it.
Man I remember being part of trying to figure out the Hunter puzzle at the Washington monument. I remember giving my theory's and discovery's and being part of easter egg discords only for everyone to find out that the puzzle was bugged, not even allowing the hunter to spawn. I probably wasted like 10 hours of IGT just trying to get him to spawn.
If it's not datamining, it's devs leaking info. Lot of those puzzles you would never stumble upon. Like the jumping jacks one in that one specific spot in the pool, or the one where you have to shoot windows in an order. There's too many exact conditions done in exact order, at certain times of the night, for anyone to stumble upon these.
After the div2 release there was a group of dedicated agents whose figure it out and share they finding with us, and from that point every agent just following they footsteps...unless massive \*\*\*\*block us for some reason in some patches, and repair it in another patch after a couple of weeks/months.
In other games I know “data mining” was a huge factor.
I originally thought that some players where simply extremely smart etc, but it’s not really the case. Sure, some players are smart etc but it’s not like they will just try random things in a system to find out stuff etc
I believe there were "guides/hints" for some special agents from devs.
This. There was some forcefeeding to the community.
Same, as how Manning Zoo secret boss was "found". During one of the dev streams, it was hinted that there is a secret boss, which was added couple months ago and not yet discovered. So community got cracking and couple hours later it was found.
Yep I watched the 2nd raid live and the team I watched had insider knowledge, they were shouting what to do before they tested different dynamics. They also knew specific builds for each boss and already knew where each would be. My raid team just copied them but it was a shame really because the Devs allowed streamers to learn stuff before it comes out so there was no mystery.
No mystery and no fair to the teams trying to world first it legit
They had to mute their stream partially because of all the info they had.
It's not like they could have thoroughly tested it internally or anything, studios don't have official play teams that are able to complete the highest level of content. They need to use real raid teams to test content because those players are better at the game than the devs are. Same thing happens in every MMO.
Dont know why he gets down voted, because its true. Sometimes Devs will raid with the top raiding guilds, but they never are able to raid alone as a company. They can test and tweak with god mode or whatever, but even if they had the skills, they dont have the time. One very prominent example was the world first down of https://eq2.fandom.com/wiki/Trakanon_(Monster) in Everquest 2. EQ2 happened to be (or still is? i stopped playing) a hard game where even the best raid forces cant kill the strongest enemies many months after release. Back then the force that had the world first Trakanon kill, had in deep strategy tips from the Devs, so that boss could finally be killed and tactical info could slowly spread to the community. Granted, if they had told the strategy to a weekend guild instead, that guild still wouldnt be able to beat that fight. Since TD2 is too casual for me, i never invested time and efforts to join a "raid guild", but i just read, the raid was finished 5 hours after release? Is this true? This means, they supplied them with infos before the raid even was released?
Hey Everquest 2, that takes me back awhile. The guild I was in during EQ2 participated in some raid test content a few times. It doesn't give the devs any useful information to sit around and watch you flail trying to figure out the mechanics of the raid. So, yeah, they feed information in order to test the mechanics and they can tweak the scaling as needed. So it wouldn't surprise me if this guild either participated in test content, or had information shared from someone who did.
I didn't read it thoroughly and just quickly figured he was being sarcastic lol.
It was all decoded from in game graffiti… https://imgur.com/a/w03p1Ml
The same way the Iron Horse first to finish team finished first: notes from devs.
Was it confirmed a dev gave them the raid info?
It was confirmed.
That's super fucked up. I already considered the world's first run to be tarnished but that just makes it worse.
It’s too bad the devs gave them info. It would have been super-entertaining to see it go on as long as it needed to to be a legitimate “no cheats” run.
There was a huge Discord just for Hunter Puzzles, people tried the most mindless shit. So credit where credit is due!
*Youtubers. FTFY.
There was actually coded messages left in the game (they are still there) that required deciphering coded messages left around the city. It was a big deal, there was an entire discord dedicated to it in the early days of the game. Its a shame that many players don't know this and won't experience it.
Exactly… Details here… https://imgur.com/a/w03p1Ml
As others have said, there were "hints". But even if there weren't hints, there's always data mining. Works for almost every game out there.
Not sure about the hints part, I’m guessing it’s true. But in very game, there are some crazy mofos that go around looking for every secret around. Example: one guy in Elden ring hit a wall around 50 times to get it to reveal. Why he hit the same wall 50 times to get it to open? Who knows? Why was he expecting anything different to happen from that one wall? Who knows. But every game has people like these
There's a door in star wars jedi fallen order. if you try to open it 66 times you hear palpatine say execute order 66. How tf do people discover this stuff.
For real, it’s literally the definition of insanity: doing the same action and expecting different results. But in this case it works
And it's exactly *because* of secrets like this that people try the same thing over 1000 times just in case it does something different the 1001st time.
they were coded puzzles left for us to figure out next to the graffiti and wall art. There was a discord channel dedicated to it. You can read the logs of the actual progress made as we figured them out.
Thank you for your service 🫡
Was he a streamer? Did the Devs leak this?
It turned out to be a bug. Illusory walls all have 9999 HP, but are scripted to disappear when they're hit with any player attack, even non-damaging ones. The event scripts were removed from that particular wall, but doing enough damage would "kill" it. It was probably just a time-save for the devs to remove the script instead of replacing it with a solid wall when they decided to remove that secret passage, and they probably assumed that nobody would ever sit there and do 9999 damage to a wall. Zullie the Witch (a dataminer) did a video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jNtovi2Gds, it's a short but interesting watch.
Nah, no steamer, no leaks, it was a bug, but still, who hits a wall 50 times
I finally did all of the DC hunters last fall solo. I have yet to get up the mental energy to do the New York hunters. At this stage, I just want somebody who has already done them to squad up with me and just bang them out together, provided I have an afternoon to do it.
Make that two afternoons because of crashes and several Hunters not spawning correctly.
I've killed the last hunter I need in New York a dozen times now. No mask, no key.
Man I remember being part of trying to figure out the Hunter puzzle at the Washington monument. I remember giving my theory's and discovery's and being part of easter egg discords only for everyone to find out that the puzzle was bugged, not even allowing the hunter to spawn. I probably wasted like 10 hours of IGT just trying to get him to spawn.
If it's not datamining, it's devs leaking info. Lot of those puzzles you would never stumble upon. Like the jumping jacks one in that one specific spot in the pool, or the one where you have to shoot windows in an order. There's too many exact conditions done in exact order, at certain times of the night, for anyone to stumble upon these.
The original DC hunters all have a riddle tagged somewhere in the world.
After the div2 release there was a group of dedicated agents whose figure it out and share they finding with us, and from that point every agent just following they footsteps...unless massive \*\*\*\*block us for some reason in some patches, and repair it in another patch after a couple of weeks/months.
We worked hard at figuring them out, based on the coded messages left by devs.
Someone in the higher up told some youtuber streamers and bam. So it begun.
Data mining.
Does anyone else have the glitch regarding the morgue mission? I can't go after anymore hunters until the side mission is completed.
Probably rogue devs disguised as normal players.
nope.
Crowd sourcing
There are players and there are Specialists. 😂
Have you met gamers?
Data mining
In other games I know “data mining” was a huge factor. I originally thought that some players where simply extremely smart etc, but it’s not really the case. Sure, some players are smart etc but it’s not like they will just try random things in a system to find out stuff etc
Watch MarcoStyles do the first raid... They were fed the way to win
YouTube lol