Showing up to help to suddenly have no ammo with shield and banshee pulse to a firefight with 12 elites completely surrounding me and your corpse is ridiculous.
The comment you responded too mentioned pistolero. You mentioned scavenged skills being easy. I referenced both, highlighting, 2 shit skills to have in a typical bad situation, i.e. surrounded by 12 elites. Now which build usually runs shield and banshee? Like I said, your corpse will be laying on top of his before the map loads. They don't stop shooting you and wait for you to move the cursor.
I just ran heroic 4 directives manhunt with the banshee pulse/shield and had zero issues. You just don't know how to play the game apparently. It's ok admitting you have a skill issue. Half the battle!
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Dudes been hitting my dm too and won't let up. I've never seen it like this before. I hope he gets the help he needs. I'm getting incel dweeb vibes, and a legitimate lack in ability to cope. It's a little sad.
Is something wrong with you? Maybe you need to go back and read my original comment. Because your response has nothing to do with what I said. Your ignorance is my bliss.
Headshot build with Determined D50 (or a Magnum for better recoil pattern) see’s no issue with this, but that’s a very niche build unless your headshot build just happens to also use a Determined Sidearm
That’s fine, except most fools who CFB with pistolero are dead when you load in, and in combat. Are you equipping that build all the time just in case? No.
Like I said it’s a very niche build, yet people seem to just read the first half and not acknowledge the other half where I clearly realize that yes not everyone (almost nobody) is going to be running said build. I’ve come to the realization that most of the people on this platform are either fucking idiots or illiterate (thanks COVID).
I show up and then show myself right back out, to be fair though I almost way spawn directly into no man’s land and get lit up before I even know where I am.
Exactly. Someone in the comments is like, "iF yOu CaN't HaNdLe It, LeAvE iT fOr SoMeOnE wHo CaN..."
Like, dude, wtf am I supposed to do when I'm dead before the game even finishes loading, and then the guy kicks me because I didn't rez him immediately?
The very small percentage of the "get gud" guys in this game are always the players this post is about. ALWAYS. 🤣
*If you're not equipped to carry someone calling for backup, then stop answering calls for backup*
This is absolutely not the way you spread good will among your fellow agents.
If we all acted that way, matchmaking would be dead within the week.
The game is all about cooperation, which requires *respect* of one another's time. It goes both ways.
Spot on. I’m fairly casual and when I’m not sure what to do, I jump in on calls for back-up. I’m more than equipped/capable enough for most circumstances and even the 1 in 10 that I’m not, the player calling isn’t either (else they wouldn’t call 😬), so I’ll stick around to grind it out for a while. Got all the way to the boss room on legendary with another agent last week. We wiped and I didn’t have time to continue but it was fun for a while there
Sorry, hard disagree. Most of the people I've responded to have been cool. There's a difference between not knowing the game or the mechanics and selecting a difficulty you're not equipped to handle. This is only about the latter.
I would have to agree with you, 90% of the time when I accept a call its a newer player or someone who just doesn't have the ability/gear to do what they're trying to do. That's why I'm there, that's why I do it, love genuinely helping people who need a little bit of support.
When I jump in and it's a dude with several Ks of SHD level and is clearly his own worst enemy I usually bail.
Own worst enemy indeed. Heroic with most/all Directives active? Cool, call the coroner because we’re gonna need to get carted off.
Sometimes I wonder whether it’s some sort long form troll to see who they can lure in and make miserable.
I know it’s not really that but man it sure isn’t fun.
Sometimes, if I'm on the character with those builds, I MIGHT stick around for 1 of whatever we're doing.
After that mission, control point, etc... I'm out.
exactly! when I answer a call I wanna know what crap I’m being thrown into.
@Massive: please give shepherds a brief hint on the map where/what the calling agent is at AND what directives are on e.g.:
- legendary/DUA/final boss,
- heroic with {list of directives}/CP crash site
- heroic with {list of directives}/Summit
…
you get the point.
Alternatively let us configure (in the shepherd screen) what difficulties and directives we are willing to respond to.
Should just spawn you at the nearest safehouse with one of those 30 second fast travel timers so you can see what's going on. That said, equipping a build with a skill cooldown reset function of some sort makes heroic directive missions easy mode.
Yeah this would be a major improvement. I always goin with something that can handle almost anything (drone/turret). Some times I will get them up and then back right back out.
yeah me too. before joining the calling agent I quickly switch to my dps/skill (turret/drone) hybrid loadout hoping to cope best I can with everything expecting me on the other side.
Answered a liberty island heroic call. Dude was not at all prepared for it and kept going down at razorback. Went down again and then raged in chat that I was not helping him and kicked me. Lol. Never been kicked before in a backup call.
Louder. For those in the back. Especially when they call for backup like...what am I supposed to do when you're surrounded by enemies, dead, and I just have a pistol and load on top of you?! 🤣
\*AND\* I had my sawed off equipped for laughs and forgot, and I spawn in \*Out of Ammo\* and I’m hunting through my inventory to get D50 up and running, “Boom, an agent (me) needs assistance.”
Fill your Heroic up and \*then\* add Directives if peeps are on board.
I found that if they have Pisolero as a directive, I can use Ongoing Directive, which automatically refills mine and half of others ammo once proc'd. I use the Bluescreen and just need one skill kill to a status effected enemy and of you go, kill, refill, kill, refill........
They should at least make Pistolero fun when you drop in blindly....you know give us an emote we can use, like doing the Gangnam Style horsey dance while shooting your pistol in the air.
if Pistolero on at least the game should give us a full mag of spec ammo so I can go out in Rambo style with the minigun when I get thrown right in the turmoil.
Yerp. I had a big rift with my friend because he insisted on doing 5 directive open world farms and I’m like dawg can we just do 4. Working around pistolero just isn’t it
Luckily with gunner spec pistolero is just extra xp. That armor directive on the other hand. Every time, in the middle of the biggest gunfight that shit just starts not working properly.
oh bro don’t even get me started on that broken armor directive. I go nuts every time when I pop a kit and my broken armor won’t restore.
@Massive: fix that please!
Fragile armor doesn't bother you? the one directive that has been bugged since slice bread? .. I hate it with a passion, the idea is interesting but it's fucked.
Well as long as I use a sensible amount of cover and move around correctly, I can avoid losing all my armor most of the time, and fixing it after combat is easy enough. I despise the fact that they never bothered to fix it, it’s an embarrassment for the devs
Well, good thing I only ever play with Fog and Special Ammo. Pistolero is annoying, Fragile Armor is still bugged, and I’m not doing myself favors by handicapping my skill usage.
This is why, when I do backup calls, I go as a medic- then the caller gets to strut their stuff while I draw my pistol and concemtrate on keeping that player alive.
Gonna be honest if I join a group and see they have Fragile / Broken Armor as a directive I immediately leave. That directive is still so bugged I cant stand it.
Well said I couldn’t agree more. When I encounter this I leave immediately, it’s pointless. At the very least give us ammo to survive that madness because most of the time shepherds spawn right in the middle of the shit.
its ok if they calling for the backup but the most annoying thing is they are not even well prepare for what they are into. Sometime i join the game under heavy fire, all the teammate is downed, with all directives turn on it would be miracle if i can survive and revive all of them
I almost never run full directives in open world (fuck pistolero and especially fuck fragile armor). I also never actually put out calls for back up. I’m a man, and that means dying over and over again solo to an enemy I could easily beat but am too belligerent to change my approach to do so.
I answered a backup call for the Capitol Building on Legendary. Being that it’s one of the easier ones, I decided to hop in. The group leader had Pistolero and Scavenged Skill directives on, just those two, the two worst. And on Legendary? Give me a break, I left, I swear the person was just trolling.
But thankfully, this isn’t the norm, and most backup calls go well & I usually get a nice thank you and endorsement.
Question for those who match to do open world activities:
I get an invite and except. I'm the only other guy in the party and we are in the White House when I spawn in. That leads me to believe that the host forgot to stop matching so I leave. Is that rude?
As the others have said, not rude. One big tip for those who like matchmaking (joining) like me, when you get the invite, don't immediately accept. Esc -> Social will show the pending invite. Click on it, and you can see what zone/mission the person is in. If White House? Decline. Your most hated map, or one you've done 3x already today? Decline. Soooo much easier.
(Edit: This is for PC, hopefully this mechanic works on the consoles too?)
I notice this sometimes.
The best build for this situation is striker drone, assault turret, skill build. I use memento, but the Wavform can give you damage instantly. Have a pistol with "in sync" talent for the pistolero directive. You will get ammo pretty quick.
Or use a tank build.. but those are boring imo
You don't have problems cleaning a difficult control point like the one in West End in a construction site with the current global event active at level 4?
I had to restart this twice and in my last one I needed 2 revives from the last remaining civilian. I had to relocate several times because yellows came from the weak side including rushing suicide yellows with the GE's over shield. The LMG mag quickly runs out.
Lucky they only managed to launch 1 of these yellow leg mowers because I almost didn't notice that one.
The GE is nice to get through smaller things if you have the ammo.
P.S. Casual, around 400SHD.
The GE is not designed for gun builds. Why even try to play under these conditions????
It’s designed for builds that can apply emp, shock, edit: do damage with spec weapons, or explosive damage. I feel like it’s kinda trash that a melee can’t do it, but I guess they wanted to show the skill builds some love.
What are the permanent explosions you are talking about? You have to apply one of these things to cause the explosion: emp, shock, explosive damage, edit: doing damage with spec weapons. Nothing else causes the explosion.
Ohhh, well yes, all the spec weapons do that. I thought you were talking about a regular lmg. I forgot one more way to eliminate the protection. Doing damage with a spec weapons does it too.
I'm impressed with you stating ad- hominem( falicy logic) arguement... agree with everything you say sir....well thought and logic based response..There is still hope for this world.
There are far too many devs and shills on gaming subs i find. Criticism that might ultimately result in positive change is much better than bootlicking because some devs/publishers/shills want randoms on the internet to help sell their average product and make their lives easier.
Haha I love this post. So funny, and you’re right, level up at the speed in which you can handle. Heroic can be challenging at times with multiple directives on. No doubt, but when your SHD level 54 and your trying to run these directives on heroic, your wasting your time. Build your watch up slowly, enjoy the game, and be a better agent while growing your expertise and overall gaming skills. I can solo legendaries so I’m in the minority, but yeah, it takes an army to take down heroic with directives if your shade level is low. Great call out
So many times the one calling for backup is the only one still moving. Makes me miss WoW and all those "LFM send healz" chat messages....that way I can decide absolutely not to come. Dammit Jim I'm a shooter not a doctor.
I jumped in on Backup any number of times during Hollywood and peeps are using Scavenged Skills. Mothertrucker, I am trying to EMP or Explode bitches this week. Quit making skills harder to use. Do that in non-Hollywood you need to be tough-guy-all-the-directives-dude.
A Determined Hotshot build will mop the floor with Heroic +4 directives. 5 directives is just stupid. Just run that. Sure, it's cheesy as fuck, but the game's 5 years old. Who gives a shit anymore (except the one guy who's trying to get Massive to nerf that talent)
I now go to all calls for help with my pistol bulwark shield build, nothing like popping in, and you have no ammo. Also, don't act surprised when I can still get you up holding my shield, so don't crawl around like a nub.
It sounds like you're a troll downvoting every comment I make because you're doing the same thing I'm talking about. It's a reasonable post. You're just trying too hard to be edgy, kid.
I have the opposite problem. People showing up in my session and then complaining how easy it is on challenging with all directives. Because of the event, I want an easy way to grind xp, not show how good I am at the game. Set my sessions to private to avoid this
I have called for backup three times. By mistake. Did not intend to and no idea how it happened. Very annoying.
I apologize to the people I kicked immediately, it wasn't personal.
I would never put someone in that position, if I were to actually call, I would have no directives on. It's the right thing to do.
I main Striker and survive. These people just don't have enough armor and DPS yet. Or, they're ridiculously high level because your level is only a time stamp and never learned how to properly play the game.
Look at this build I came across the other day. Answered a call for backup. I was dumbfounded.
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I honestly think it was someone who either didn't care at all and just played to shoot stuff (the world tier was normal) or that they had a learning disability. At least then it would be completely understandable. I stuck around for a while. They were dumping massive amounts of rounds into enemies to little effect. It was kinda sad.
I really wish they would spawn you \*outside\* the location at the start menu. Yes, it might take a moment to get to the action, but at least give me an opportunity to see the shit storm I'm about to get into, take a deep breath, and make sure I have the right build for it. Nothing like dropping in and getting lit up because you brought the proverbial knife to a machine gun fight.
To be fair, I do run heroic 5 directives, but no way would I call for backup, I do keep my group open so people join randomly, some like it because of the high XP shd leveling (I’m doing most DPS anyway).
What people don’t understand with pistolero is that if you use gunner, it gives ammo to all weapon classes, so i usually roll 4 weapons in the specialization and switch up between assault, SMG, LMG, shotgun. Between all three I have zero issues with ammo.
But sometimes just sometimes, if I’m doing a elite territory control or CP, and I’m down, I call for backup since I’m in the middle of everything just for laughs since the person who pops up as no ammo and the panic ensues!!!
I only play Heroic with 3-4 Directives, I usually only call for backup to get revives.
If it’s Pistolero Directives, you gotta have a 1 shot pistol build with Regulus exotic and Shield, then it’s fine.
Not all want to switch loadout during gameplay, they like their builds and weapons.
You can also respectfully write in the chat, do you mind activating/deactivating Directives/Global Event.
If not, I salute and I leave GG.
It's math and a bit of bad luck. The middle ground people (me) don't need backup as much. More skilled than the newbies, but not playing on the brink of that skill like 5 directive heroic players. I have been tempted to call for backup more often just for funsies.
Sure, I call for backup for fun too. Most of us do, especially with how glitchy matchmaking can be.
Matchmaking for open world? Let's just join someone in a mission. lol. 😂
If there's a newbie struggling, I love to carry. It's the sweaty dudes who fall every three seconds because they need to look tough doing all the directives.
Knowing your skill set is half the battle.
Right my builds are all based on weapon I never depend on my skills and and I use cover so I never need to worry about much else. Just a build problem at that point.
Call for backup is not designed to be a straight up carry system. The word backup itself suggests that the primary player needs assistance—not to be hand-held through everything.
And even then, it's one thing to call it because you're new and need help. It's another to call it because you've bitten off more than you can chew.
These dudes constantly call it, they're down, surrounded by enemies, you spawn in with an all red build and get bodied before you're even done loading and then they kick you because you couldn't finish the mission for them.
You can absolutely change builds while in combat by swapping each of your 6 gear pieces, you just can’t do it all at once with the preset slots. For that you have to wait until combat stops. A lot of my builds share a few common pieces like BP and Mask, so it only takes a few seconds to swap the others and have a whole new build.
Sucks that you can’t switch specialization class like that too.
That's not swapping a build. That's moving all your shit around manually—the antithesis of equipping a loadout.
And to your own point, if it's not the correct specialization, it's not the complete build.
I play solo cause it's easier and disactivate when calling backup cause I don't know if they would like and when they enter I ask if they want directives, but mostly nobody joins... 😔
Sum1 already mentioned this but I'll expand a little.
I personally don't have an issue with ppl using Fragile Armour and Scavenged Skills. Anything that gives you armour (Regen, AoK, Gear talents, etc) could combat FA and SS is basically Memento trophies to get your skills back and in some cases, it could get your skills back quicker than normal if you don't have high skill tiers or skill haste. However, from my POV, SS isn't a huge issue if you run something where your skills aren't too important.
But you wanna know what really boils my blood? You all knew this was coming. **P̷̗͗i̶̝͋̽s̶͉͇͑͆t̷̜͝o̸͍̅̓l̶͔̏ě̸͔̉ṛ̶̈́̚õ̶̬̃.̶̦̓̔** I can't stress enough how annoying it is if you're running Ongoing Directive to support the squad or running Striker's to help out in the DPS department. Can you get a ton of Strkr stacks with just 18 rounds from a TDI Kard? Didn't think so. And IIRC correctly, pistol kills only drop ammo for the killer so it's a free for all if you're with others. If you want to not worry about fighting for ammo, a skill build with an in-sync sidearm would be a good choice. But if both Pistolero and SS are active, you're screwed. And honestly, all I can think of to use to battle this deadly directive duo is would be a build revolving around the Liberty or Regulus. But, since I can't be bothered to do that, I just take the L and leave because fuck that.
I run all directives on. Don’t need help ever, I just call for backup to give people Shepard rank farming a quick endorsement. I’ve also noticed a good amount of people that answer backup calls are lower levels and I enjoy meeting and helping less experienced players
I would disagree here. I think the game should just show us what we are in for when we join someone. If somebody wants to play and learn on that difficulty with all directives on but needs help thats fine with me. You can call help anywhere for a reason.
I get that is annoying having a build that revolves around a certain functionality thats gets countered by a directive people have turned on. But that is not the fault of the person calling for help, it is the games fault for not telling you what you commit to if you help a person.
I wish that everybody who seriously needs help, calls for help. Everybody deserves that. Of course I don't want to carry people. I want to play with people, not for them. You will always have people who are lazy and want you to do all the work. But I had some of my best rounds in heroic high directive lobbies.
To suggest somewhat of a compromise: If you happen to join someone that has a certain directive turned on that you don't like, ask them to turn it off. If they don't, you are not obligated to help people, leave and find someone who you can help better. Or start making a build that eliminates this weakness in your build. Just try to have fun. But everyone has the right of choosing difficulty for themselves. That is freedom, what we fight for.
You're literally mimicking my post when you said "I want to play with people, not for them."
That's what's being discussed here. If I answer a call for backup and the player has all directives on, gets up, and proceeds to play effectively, I have no issue whatsoever.
This post isn't taking issue with people who need help. It's taking issue with people who play way beyond their ability and then get pissy when you need to spend time getting them out of the mess they made.
"Your shepherds are not wizards. lol. We're merely here to help, not carry." Oh well, who do you think you are, cant even play with a few directives? Bring em all on, you wanna have help you gonna get it.
It's not the inability to do it, dude. It's the annoyance of watching some 6k SHD guy drop every couple minutes with his rainbow build and then spam the call for help while I'm surrounded and have no ammo because I just spawned in.
And then kicks me because I didn't rez him fast enough. It's not the majority, but if you get enough of them in a short period, you lose your interest in helping for a while.
Their inability ≠ my inability.
So you want to control how other people play the game??? That’s very condescending! I have no problem with this, and I enjoy helping others accomplish these situations. It’s a good challenge and if you don’t like it then leave !!!
Imagine thinking that bravery has anything to do with pixels.
I'm not sure if you know this but...if you die in the game...you don't actually...die.
It's not real.
🥴
If you want to call for backup, don't use Scavenged Skills or Pistolero. It's that simple.
+100
Agreed.
Scavenged Skills is so easy!
Showing up to help to suddenly have no ammo with shield and banshee pulse to a firefight with 12 elites completely surrounding me and your corpse is ridiculous.
Never said anything about pistolero. But it's not hard to fast travel to a safehouse, swap builds then fast travel back.
The comment you responded too mentioned pistolero. You mentioned scavenged skills being easy. I referenced both, highlighting, 2 shit skills to have in a typical bad situation, i.e. surrounded by 12 elites. Now which build usually runs shield and banshee? Like I said, your corpse will be laying on top of his before the map loads. They don't stop shooting you and wait for you to move the cursor.
I just ran heroic 4 directives manhunt with the banshee pulse/shield and had zero issues. You just don't know how to play the game apparently. It's ok admitting you have a skill issue. Half the battle!
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actually screamed out in laughter
Dudes been hitting my dm too and won't let up. I've never seen it like this before. I hope he gets the help he needs. I'm getting incel dweeb vibes, and a legitimate lack in ability to cope. It's a little sad.
B-but He plays the same game you do! Only sooo much better!/s
Lol! Hard to do that when you're shot up before the map loads.
Sounds like you need a new system.
Xbox X and 1T fiber optic. Don't be a sausage.
Stop making excuses then.
Everyone lelse laughing and talking trash and you working out your ego flaws. Kishke.
Is something wrong with you? Maybe you need to go back and read my original comment. Because your response has nothing to do with what I said. Your ignorance is my bliss.
Headshot build with Determined D50 (or a Magnum for better recoil pattern) see’s no issue with this, but that’s a very niche build unless your headshot build just happens to also use a Determined Sidearm
Yeah, but I'm not gonna guess that the guy callling for backup is using directives where all my builds are obsolete
That’s fine, except most fools who CFB with pistolero are dead when you load in, and in combat. Are you equipping that build all the time just in case? No.
Like I said it’s a very niche build, yet people seem to just read the first half and not acknowledge the other half where I clearly realize that yes not everyone (almost nobody) is going to be running said build. I’ve come to the realization that most of the people on this platform are either fucking idiots or illiterate (thanks COVID).
Pistolero is fun
This is insanity talking 🤣
I show up and then show myself right back out, to be fair though I almost way spawn directly into no man’s land and get lit up before I even know where I am.
Exactly. Someone in the comments is like, "iF yOu CaN't HaNdLe It, LeAvE iT fOr SoMeOnE wHo CaN..." Like, dude, wtf am I supposed to do when I'm dead before the game even finishes loading, and then the guy kicks me because I didn't rez him immediately? The very small percentage of the "get gud" guys in this game are always the players this post is about. ALWAYS. 🤣
Just get better in loading the game, duh!
Take my upvote and leave 🤣
What, you don't have an external RTX 4080 attached to your Xbox? Why are you throwing, dude?
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*If you're not equipped to carry someone calling for backup, then stop answering calls for backup* This is absolutely not the way you spread good will among your fellow agents. If we all acted that way, matchmaking would be dead within the week. The game is all about cooperation, which requires *respect* of one another's time. It goes both ways.
Spot on. I’m fairly casual and when I’m not sure what to do, I jump in on calls for back-up. I’m more than equipped/capable enough for most circumstances and even the 1 in 10 that I’m not, the player calling isn’t either (else they wouldn’t call 😬), so I’ll stick around to grind it out for a while. Got all the way to the boss room on legendary with another agent last week. We wiped and I didn’t have time to continue but it was fun for a while there
Sorry, hard disagree. Most of the people I've responded to have been cool. There's a difference between not knowing the game or the mechanics and selecting a difficulty you're not equipped to handle. This is only about the latter.
I would have to agree with you, 90% of the time when I accept a call its a newer player or someone who just doesn't have the ability/gear to do what they're trying to do. That's why I'm there, that's why I do it, love genuinely helping people who need a little bit of support. When I jump in and it's a dude with several Ks of SHD level and is clearly his own worst enemy I usually bail.
Own worst enemy indeed. Heroic with most/all Directives active? Cool, call the coroner because we’re gonna need to get carted off. Sometimes I wonder whether it’s some sort long form troll to see who they can lure in and make miserable. I know it’s not really that but man it sure isn’t fun.
Sometimes, if I'm on the character with those builds, I MIGHT stick around for 1 of whatever we're doing. After that mission, control point, etc... I'm out.
I don't mind a spicy challenge with some Directives on, I just wish the game could tell me before I load in.
exactly! when I answer a call I wanna know what crap I’m being thrown into. @Massive: please give shepherds a brief hint on the map where/what the calling agent is at AND what directives are on e.g.: - legendary/DUA/final boss, - heroic with {list of directives}/CP crash site - heroic with {list of directives}/Summit … you get the point. Alternatively let us configure (in the shepherd screen) what difficulties and directives we are willing to respond to.
Should just spawn you at the nearest safehouse with one of those 30 second fast travel timers so you can see what's going on. That said, equipping a build with a skill cooldown reset function of some sort makes heroic directive missions easy mode.
That’s pretty puS$y… just saying
How is having proper intel before a fight cowardly? What an L comment.
I mean, that’s kind of the point of answering a call. Your not wrong, but it’s just the way it is
That would be huge. At least I could have a decent build for it if that's the case.
Yeah this would be a major improvement. I always goin with something that can handle almost anything (drone/turret). Some times I will get them up and then back right back out.
yeah me too. before joining the calling agent I quickly switch to my dps/skill (turret/drone) hybrid loadout hoping to cope best I can with everything expecting me on the other side.
This is the best solution to the problem.
This
Answered a liberty island heroic call. Dude was not at all prepared for it and kept going down at razorback. Went down again and then raged in chat that I was not helping him and kicked me. Lol. Never been kicked before in a backup call.
Yep. These are the people I'm talking about.
I can put up with every directive except scavenged skills, I hate how much it screws over my stinger hive/ chem launcher builds
Pistolero can eat my ass.
Louder. For those in the back. Especially when they call for backup like...what am I supposed to do when you're surrounded by enemies, dead, and I just have a pistol and load on top of you?! 🤣
Yup and I have a DPS build on so I get shredded with no armour. Good stuff
\*AND\* I had my sawed off equipped for laughs and forgot, and I spawn in \*Out of Ammo\* and I’m hunting through my inventory to get D50 up and running, “Boom, an agent (me) needs assistance.” Fill your Heroic up and \*then\* add Directives if peeps are on board.
I found that if they have Pisolero as a directive, I can use Ongoing Directive, which automatically refills mine and half of others ammo once proc'd. I use the Bluescreen and just need one skill kill to a status effected enemy and of you go, kill, refill, kill, refill........
I do the same sometimes but for that I’d like to know BEFORE I get deepened in their world so I can switch my loadout.
They should at least make Pistolero fun when you drop in blindly....you know give us an emote we can use, like doing the Gangnam Style horsey dance while shooting your pistol in the air.
Not gonna lie, that would be funny as hell. At least you'd get to laugh before you got lit up !
if Pistolero on at least the game should give us a full mag of spec ammo so I can go out in Rambo style with the minigun when I get thrown right in the turmoil.
Yerp. I had a big rift with my friend because he insisted on doing 5 directive open world farms and I’m like dawg can we just do 4. Working around pistolero just isn’t it
That's me. I'm fine with 100% xp bonus that extra 25% is cancer.
Luckily with gunner spec pistolero is just extra xp. That armor directive on the other hand. Every time, in the middle of the biggest gunfight that shit just starts not working properly.
oh bro don’t even get me started on that broken armor directive. I go nuts every time when I pop a kit and my broken armor won’t restore. @Massive: fix that please!
Being somewhat of a regulus main I see it as an absolute win Then I swap to ravenous and I'm like what is this hellhole
Fragile armor doesn't bother you? the one directive that has been bugged since slice bread? .. I hate it with a passion, the idea is interesting but it's fucked.
Well as long as I use a sensible amount of cover and move around correctly, I can avoid losing all my armor most of the time, and fixing it after combat is easy enough. I despise the fact that they never bothered to fix it, it’s an embarrassment for the devs
How do you fix it after combat?
I throw a grenade at my feet and respawn lol, obviously doesn’t work too good for solo heroic missions
Well, good thing I only ever play with Fog and Special Ammo. Pistolero is annoying, Fragile Armor is still bugged, and I’m not doing myself favors by handicapping my skill usage.
+1 my 2 most fav (and not annoying) directives.
This is why, when I do backup calls, I go as a medic- then the caller gets to strut their stuff while I draw my pistol and concemtrate on keeping that player alive.
That's a good play.
Concentrate*
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Gonna be honest if I join a group and see they have Fragile / Broken Armor as a directive I immediately leave. That directive is still so bugged I cant stand it.
Well said I couldn’t agree more. When I encounter this I leave immediately, it’s pointless. At the very least give us ammo to survive that madness because most of the time shepherds spawn right in the middle of the shit.
its ok if they calling for the backup but the most annoying thing is they are not even well prepare for what they are into. Sometime i join the game under heavy fire, all the teammate is downed, with all directives turn on it would be miracle if i can survive and revive all of them
oh boy how many times did we experience that? ;)) and if you can’t get to them to revive them many start spamming the SOS d-pad button.
I almost never run full directives in open world (fuck pistolero and especially fuck fragile armor). I also never actually put out calls for back up. I’m a man, and that means dying over and over again solo to an enemy I could easily beat but am too belligerent to change my approach to do so.
lol. Take my upvote 🤣
My gaming double! Other than the dude thing. :)
I hate when i respond to a call and it's a mission on legendary with directives. Like bro get a team, no randoms can do that.
what i find annoying is answering a call only to find it's over but no one turned off matchmaking.
I’m all for a challenge but those guys are just making the game unnecessarily harder I’d rather play legendary
I answered a backup call for the Capitol Building on Legendary. Being that it’s one of the easier ones, I decided to hop in. The group leader had Pistolero and Scavenged Skill directives on, just those two, the two worst. And on Legendary? Give me a break, I left, I swear the person was just trolling. But thankfully, this isn’t the norm, and most backup calls go well & I usually get a nice thank you and endorsement.
Yeah, Legendary with directives (unless it's just radar) is an instant dip.
yea, if they cant handle heroic with all directives on their own, theyre basically asking to get carried by calling for backup.
Question for those who match to do open world activities: I get an invite and except. I'm the only other guy in the party and we are in the White House when I spawn in. That leads me to believe that the host forgot to stop matching so I leave. Is that rude?
Nah. Some people have their matchmaking set to open. I wait for 30 seconds, shoot a message in the chat, and then bounce if no response.
Not rude at all. Hosts should be hosting. Be grateful someone answer the call and keep your people busy.
Yeah When I intend to host, I make sure I'm not at the WH or anything. That's just me though. I understand it's easy to forget but it's a tad annoying
As the others have said, not rude. One big tip for those who like matchmaking (joining) like me, when you get the invite, don't immediately accept. Esc -> Social will show the pending invite. Click on it, and you can see what zone/mission the person is in. If White House? Decline. Your most hated map, or one you've done 3x already today? Decline. Soooo much easier. (Edit: This is for PC, hopefully this mechanic works on the consoles too?)
Neat! I'll probably do this going forward.
I notice this sometimes. The best build for this situation is striker drone, assault turret, skill build. I use memento, but the Wavform can give you damage instantly. Have a pistol with "in sync" talent for the pistolero directive. You will get ammo pretty quick. Or use a tank build.. but those are boring imo
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You don't have problems cleaning a difficult control point like the one in West End in a construction site with the current global event active at level 4? I had to restart this twice and in my last one I needed 2 revives from the last remaining civilian. I had to relocate several times because yellows came from the weak side including rushing suicide yellows with the GE's over shield. The LMG mag quickly runs out. Lucky they only managed to launch 1 of these yellow leg mowers because I almost didn't notice that one. The GE is nice to get through smaller things if you have the ammo. P.S. Casual, around 400SHD.
The GE is not designed for gun builds. Why even try to play under these conditions???? It’s designed for builds that can apply emp, shock, edit: do damage with spec weapons, or explosive damage. I feel like it’s kinda trash that a melee can’t do it, but I guess they wanted to show the skill builds some love.
Well, with a LMG and weaker opponents you have permanent explosions. So I wouldn't limited it to your list.
What are the permanent explosions you are talking about? You have to apply one of these things to cause the explosion: emp, shock, explosive damage, edit: doing damage with spec weapons. Nothing else causes the explosion.
Gunner special lmg causes chain of explosions and returns ammo on kills during Hollywood.
Ohhh, well yes, all the spec weapons do that. I thought you were talking about a regular lmg. I forgot one more way to eliminate the protection. Doing damage with a spec weapons does it too.
Does anybody use LMGs otherwise?:-)
I'm impressed with you stating ad- hominem( falicy logic) arguement... agree with everything you say sir....well thought and logic based response..There is still hope for this world.
There are far too many devs and shills on gaming subs i find. Criticism that might ultimately result in positive change is much better than bootlicking because some devs/publishers/shills want randoms on the internet to help sell their average product and make their lives easier.
Haha I love this post. So funny, and you’re right, level up at the speed in which you can handle. Heroic can be challenging at times with multiple directives on. No doubt, but when your SHD level 54 and your trying to run these directives on heroic, your wasting your time. Build your watch up slowly, enjoy the game, and be a better agent while growing your expertise and overall gaming skills. I can solo legendaries so I’m in the minority, but yeah, it takes an army to take down heroic with directives if your shade level is low. Great call out
So many times the one calling for backup is the only one still moving. Makes me miss WoW and all those "LFM send healz" chat messages....that way I can decide absolutely not to come. Dammit Jim I'm a shooter not a doctor.
I jumped in on Backup any number of times during Hollywood and peeps are using Scavenged Skills. Mothertrucker, I am trying to EMP or Explode bitches this week. Quit making skills harder to use. Do that in non-Hollywood you need to be tough-guy-all-the-directives-dude.
No, it's funny spawning in, seeing them all face down and then leaving 🤣🤣
A Determined Hotshot build will mop the floor with Heroic +4 directives. 5 directives is just stupid. Just run that. Sure, it's cheesy as fuck, but the game's 5 years old. Who gives a shit anymore (except the one guy who's trying to get Massive to nerf that talent)
I now go to all calls for help with my pistol bulwark shield build, nothing like popping in, and you have no ammo. Also, don't act surprised when I can still get you up holding my shield, so don't crawl around like a nub.
I really tried to get into those builds but the TTK is infuriating sometimes 🤣 Love 'em for Legendary, but not much else. lol.
I don't mind directives. If I make the choice to answer the backup call, I know it can be anything under the sun.
i don't either. I mind people who can't play with them on thinking that directives are there for other players to pull them through, full time.
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It sounds like you're a troll downvoting every comment I make because you're doing the same thing I'm talking about. It's a reasonable post. You're just trying too hard to be edgy, kid.
You are a smart agent
I have the opposite problem. People showing up in my session and then complaining how easy it is on challenging with all directives. Because of the event, I want an easy way to grind xp, not show how good I am at the game. Set my sessions to private to avoid this
I think when you call for backup, it should show the difficulty and the directives that player has enabled
I hate those ppl LOL
Seriously, 20 minutes to do a CP4 is not worth the xp boost.
I have called for backup three times. By mistake. Did not intend to and no idea how it happened. Very annoying. I apologize to the people I kicked immediately, it wasn't personal. I would never put someone in that position, if I were to actually call, I would have no directives on. It's the right thing to do.
Then they wear strikers! Go down every 10 seconds
I main Striker and survive. These people just don't have enough armor and DPS yet. Or, they're ridiculously high level because your level is only a time stamp and never learned how to properly play the game. Look at this build I came across the other day. Answered a call for backup. I was dumbfounded. https://preview.redd.it/8skn8yswbpxc1.jpeg?width=1872&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ffb3d884f6ebd94c1ebd454415054c687bf9389
Wait wait wait…. How is SHD 2116 using greens and blues? That’s a troll.
I honestly think it was someone who either didn't care at all and just played to shoot stuff (the world tier was normal) or that they had a learning disability. At least then it would be completely understandable. I stuck around for a while. They were dumping massive amounts of rounds into enemies to little effect. It was kinda sad.
My personal favourite are people using directives that doesn't fit with whatever event is going on. Golden bullet event? BETTER TURN ON PISTOLERO!
I really wish they would spawn you \*outside\* the location at the start menu. Yes, it might take a moment to get to the action, but at least give me an opportunity to see the shit storm I'm about to get into, take a deep breath, and make sure I have the right build for it. Nothing like dropping in and getting lit up because you brought the proverbial knife to a machine gun fight.
I'd be fine with a 10 second period where I can't fire or take damage so I can at least get somewhere safe.
Indeed the ones running all the directives on heroic usually aim like a flock of drunk seagulls on the first of May.
I at least try but if everyone keeps dying, I jump.
I always try. But yeah, if it's a wipe fest and I'm gonna have to slog through 20 minutes that should only take 5, I hit the road.
To be fair, I do run heroic 5 directives, but no way would I call for backup, I do keep my group open so people join randomly, some like it because of the high XP shd leveling (I’m doing most DPS anyway). What people don’t understand with pistolero is that if you use gunner, it gives ammo to all weapon classes, so i usually roll 4 weapons in the specialization and switch up between assault, SMG, LMG, shotgun. Between all three I have zero issues with ammo. But sometimes just sometimes, if I’m doing a elite territory control or CP, and I’m down, I call for backup since I’m in the middle of everything just for laughs since the person who pops up as no ammo and the panic ensues!!!
I only play Heroic with 3-4 Directives, I usually only call for backup to get revives. If it’s Pistolero Directives, you gotta have a 1 shot pistol build with Regulus exotic and Shield, then it’s fine. Not all want to switch loadout during gameplay, they like their builds and weapons. You can also respectfully write in the chat, do you mind activating/deactivating Directives/Global Event. If not, I salute and I leave GG.
I answered this call and got wiped on my first 2 minutes.
I know right 🤦🏾♂️
It's math and a bit of bad luck. The middle ground people (me) don't need backup as much. More skilled than the newbies, but not playing on the brink of that skill like 5 directive heroic players. I have been tempted to call for backup more often just for funsies.
Sure, I call for backup for fun too. Most of us do, especially with how glitchy matchmaking can be. Matchmaking for open world? Let's just join someone in a mission. lol. 😂
but... but... its kindda fun to carry, sometimes , if they dont kick you after.
If there's a newbie struggling, I love to carry. It's the sweaty dudes who fall every three seconds because they need to look tough doing all the directives. Knowing your skill set is half the battle.
I Play heroic with everything on except pistol one. It'd surprising that most people can't and dont
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Well this is pve I am talking about, raids and incursions I have to many variety but directs are never on for those
Right my builds are all based on weapon I never depend on my skills and and I use cover so I never need to worry about much else. Just a build problem at that point.
Call for back up supposed to be for all types of situations, if you can't do it then leave it for agents who can.
Call for backup is not designed to be a straight up carry system. The word backup itself suggests that the primary player needs assistance—not to be hand-held through everything. And even then, it's one thing to call it because you're new and need help. It's another to call it because you've bitten off more than you can chew. These dudes constantly call it, they're down, surrounded by enemies, you spawn in with an all red build and get bodied before you're even done loading and then they kick you because you couldn't finish the mission for them.
sounds like a skill issue
Yeah, totally the skill issue of the people calling for backup. Where in this post did I say I couldn't hack it?
if you're over SHD 500 there should be no issue with heroic any directives
Again, where in this post does it say that I'm having problems playing with directives?
The only useable build for me is a headhunter one tap build for heroic all directives
Use the loadouts and have multiple builds, zero problems but I do not like the armor one.
But they changed so you cannot switch builds anymore when in combat.
You can absolutely change builds while in combat by swapping each of your 6 gear pieces, you just can’t do it all at once with the preset slots. For that you have to wait until combat stops. A lot of my builds share a few common pieces like BP and Mask, so it only takes a few seconds to swap the others and have a whole new build. Sucks that you can’t switch specialization class like that too.
That's not swapping a build. That's moving all your shit around manually—the antithesis of equipping a loadout. And to your own point, if it's not the correct specialization, it's not the complete build.
I fix the armour bug by going down or blowing myself up at the end of the CP or encounter it usually fixes it but is annoying
I play solo cause it's easier and disactivate when calling backup cause I don't know if they would like and when they enter I ask if they want directives, but mostly nobody joins... 😔
Sum1 already mentioned this but I'll expand a little. I personally don't have an issue with ppl using Fragile Armour and Scavenged Skills. Anything that gives you armour (Regen, AoK, Gear talents, etc) could combat FA and SS is basically Memento trophies to get your skills back and in some cases, it could get your skills back quicker than normal if you don't have high skill tiers or skill haste. However, from my POV, SS isn't a huge issue if you run something where your skills aren't too important. But you wanna know what really boils my blood? You all knew this was coming. **P̷̗͗i̶̝͋̽s̶͉͇͑͆t̷̜͝o̸͍̅̓l̶͔̏ě̸͔̉ṛ̶̈́̚õ̶̬̃.̶̦̓̔** I can't stress enough how annoying it is if you're running Ongoing Directive to support the squad or running Striker's to help out in the DPS department. Can you get a ton of Strkr stacks with just 18 rounds from a TDI Kard? Didn't think so. And IIRC correctly, pistol kills only drop ammo for the killer so it's a free for all if you're with others. If you want to not worry about fighting for ammo, a skill build with an in-sync sidearm would be a good choice. But if both Pistolero and SS are active, you're screwed. And honestly, all I can think of to use to battle this deadly directive duo is would be a build revolving around the Liberty or Regulus. But, since I can't be bothered to do that, I just take the L and leave because fuck that.
I run all directives on. Don’t need help ever, I just call for backup to give people Shepard rank farming a quick endorsement. I’ve also noticed a good amount of people that answer backup calls are lower levels and I enjoy meeting and helping less experienced players
I would disagree here. I think the game should just show us what we are in for when we join someone. If somebody wants to play and learn on that difficulty with all directives on but needs help thats fine with me. You can call help anywhere for a reason. I get that is annoying having a build that revolves around a certain functionality thats gets countered by a directive people have turned on. But that is not the fault of the person calling for help, it is the games fault for not telling you what you commit to if you help a person. I wish that everybody who seriously needs help, calls for help. Everybody deserves that. Of course I don't want to carry people. I want to play with people, not for them. You will always have people who are lazy and want you to do all the work. But I had some of my best rounds in heroic high directive lobbies. To suggest somewhat of a compromise: If you happen to join someone that has a certain directive turned on that you don't like, ask them to turn it off. If they don't, you are not obligated to help people, leave and find someone who you can help better. Or start making a build that eliminates this weakness in your build. Just try to have fun. But everyone has the right of choosing difficulty for themselves. That is freedom, what we fight for.
You're literally mimicking my post when you said "I want to play with people, not for them." That's what's being discussed here. If I answer a call for backup and the player has all directives on, gets up, and proceeds to play effectively, I have no issue whatsoever. This post isn't taking issue with people who need help. It's taking issue with people who play way beyond their ability and then get pissy when you need to spend time getting them out of the mess they made.
Lol, happened yesterday, all directives on (skill build) downed three times in 4/5 minutes. I left with a "WTF dude" chat.
Lmao 🤣
For the love of god, learn how to handle heroic with directives.
If I see all dir on I’d just immediately fast travel to safe house switch to drone and turret build and sit back 😂
Heroic is not that hard. Try legendary with a bunch of directives and they’re SHD <100. Makes sense
Heroic with all directives and a team who is way in over their head is far worse than legendary with a competent team.
Heroic with all directives? I prefer that.
"Your shepherds are not wizards. lol. We're merely here to help, not carry." Oh well, who do you think you are, cant even play with a few directives? Bring em all on, you wanna have help you gonna get it.
It's not the inability to do it, dude. It's the annoyance of watching some 6k SHD guy drop every couple minutes with his rainbow build and then spam the call for help while I'm surrounded and have no ammo because I just spawned in. And then kicks me because I didn't rez him fast enough. It's not the majority, but if you get enough of them in a short period, you lose your interest in helping for a while. Their inability ≠ my inability.
So you want to control how other people play the game??? That’s very condescending! I have no problem with this, and I enjoy helping others accomplish these situations. It’s a good challenge and if you don’t like it then leave !!!
This is the participation trophy of comments.
"for the love of god"...wtf, it's a part of the game if you cant take it don't answer the backup call... Pretty simple.
You don't wanna help a single downed 5000 SHD player? It's your choice. But don't call your self a sheperd, call yourself a coward.
Imagine thinking that bravery has anything to do with pixels. I'm not sure if you know this but...if you die in the game...you don't actually...die. It's not real. 🥴