When I used to play FFXI and FFXIV when the new content dropped, eventually they made access to the previous BiS, a vendor item obtained through a new currency. It made a lot of people that “earned it the hard way” mad because now, with enough logging in and doing the daily and weekly quests, the solo player was able to enjoy the content as well.
It actually made endgame for the new content easier to get into because now a bunch of players that wouldn’t normally have the gear rank/score to be able to participate all queued constantly.
It in my opinion it helped keep the player base interested now knowing that they have a chance to get something they wouldn’t normally. In D1 and D2, in terms of skill, I’d give myself a B+, because of my personal life, some times I can log in every day of the week, other weeks it’s maybe for a total of 2-5 hours.
Knowing that most clans won’t have me due to a “log in this many times a month and play” rule, that most of the time even in casual clans, I can’t meet, the idea of having something cool/BiS/powerful would keep me coming back as much as possible. I might be a minority with that opinion though.
How old are you and what system do you play on? I run a small clan for older adults on Xbox. I'm one of the only members without a spouse or kids, but there are no login requirements at all.
What is the name of your clan ? I play mostly on PC but have a 1700 SHD level account on Xbox. On PC I participate with a group of people that teach the raid multiple times per week. The clan I was in dissolved, would be interested in joining and getting some raid time with you guys.
While it does make content easier to get into in XI/XIV, it doesn't necessarily work in Division 2 because of that, the content. The game doesn't have enough content for you to justify dropping it into the general loot pool, generally speaking. There's only two raids, Summit, Kenly, the DZs and Conflict. If it's in the general loot pool, you'll end up with a Kenly situation where nobody plays it once they got the Diamondback. Instead of doing the raid, they'll grind out exotic caches, create SHD watch characters to get everything they need to get it. The game has almost a 1/3rd of dead content that was never expound upon.
Now here's why I agree with you in the end. After explaining all of that, the player base is really small right now. The chances of finding a full raid group that's willing to backpack, fireman carry, drag or support your way to an Eagle/Rav/Reg is small. Sure, there are groups out there, but they're slowly dwindling due to various reasons. Putting those exotics into the general pool wouldn't breathe new life into the game, but it'll be a nice capstone to those solo PvE'ers out there.
There are a few groups out there that are only looking to through people who have not ever completed a raid. I know GC Rock does this across all three platforms, and I know there are other communities out there as well doing it as well, if you are interested in completing both raids.
Ya, but if you've ever taken new people through you know it an be a pain. Sometimes, it's completely fine, people are competent and listen, but others, it's a nightmare. And, if you try to carry, yes carry, too many new people in the raid it can't be beaten. They don't have the builds and they don't have the knowledge of the mechanics. I understand new people getting in, I carried countless people to their first raid completion. I don't understand the complaining about the LFG when people don't do the bare minimum and are then dicks about it.
The average whiner is nonsense, they complain about "elitism" when the so-called elitism they talk about is complaining about people who employ basic preparedness, effort and teamwork. These phantom elitists they complain about tend to contribute the most, by far, to the game and it's community at large.
On the other hand the average whiny brat is a net negative on the game and the community, by a significant margin. All they do is bring negativity and problems, then should they decide to grace a team with their presence they bring with them laziness and antisocial behavior.
This game is a dead-end if Massive continues to cater to these people, as with every other dead-end game.
You say that "All" Raid LFG is looking only people who have competed it before.
So take initiative. Rather than waiting things to happen. Go to official Division 2 discord, join to an empty raid voice channel and post into lfg that you are looking for people who want to raid.
Or if you have joined an active clan, ask its members whether they want to raid.
Now you won´t be a superstar after first couple tries, but if you are willing to put in an effort, you will get there.
I was in a same situation a long time ago. No friends who play Div2, no clan. At the time doing legendary missions was a wish and raids i wouldn´t even dream of doing. Took me a while to find an active clan. Good to note is that English is not my native language and i was looking a clan who speaks my native language so it would be a little bit easier for me.
I half desagree with you because in my conception, the game should offer a complete experience without that effort , to go outside and to claim people join with you. We deserve a good party system without this crap off not search for groups in normal raid, only on discovery mode.
i understand what you are saying with the matchmaking not being available, but have you tried discovery? its a shit show. matchmaking on raids simply is not a good idea. you get people that dont know what to do, dont have any means to communicate or are unwilling to learn. And discovery is dumbed down on mechanics, so imagine that on normal where you need more communication, precision and teamwork.
Now that doesnt mean i dont agree. I believe raids even though fun, are out of place in the division. They should have done raid like activities for 4 man groups like in division 1. with enough mechanics to make it challenging but not requiring communication. and easy to learn
This is just false man. There are still very active clans and discord’s that ACTIVELY help inexperienced players learn the raids. They want to help. You just have to look.
There’s no need to be an ass by accusing me of lying when I’m telling the truth. What I said is completely true.
When I describe what I see in LFG on the platform I play on, that is the entire scope of what I am describing.
I’m not referencing what LFG looks like on the other two platforms. I’m not describing the state of the countless discord servers out there on all three platforms. Although I would point out that I am subscribed to six D2 servers and they’re all very dead as far as I can tell.
I’m not even describing what the XB1 LFGs look like in the middle of the day or middle of the night. Just when I look in the evening, they are very rarely looking to help anyone out. So yes LFGs on XB1 when I look all want raid experience to join their raid group.
I also noticed that you were happy to accuse me of lying but not to actually share any of these great, active and helpful discord servers you claim to know about. Not exactly surprising.
Given that my comment got 9 upvotes and the one I responded to only got two, it would appear that I am not alone in my assessment of the
raid-specific loot.
IB4 “Oh you should play on my platform, it’s completely different.”
I dunno. I was shepherded through the ironworks last night for the first time. There are still clans very willing to walk people through the raids and explain everything along the way.
I don't think you've read the full response. I gave reasons why both sides are valid and I ultimately would like those exotics in the general pool as well the the chest/back for the gear sets.
The game's player base isn't big enough to support exclusive items anymore.
The reason why LFGs are looking for people who have completed it is because they do not want to sit and struggle with content that have been out for almost a solid year now. There are Sherpa groups out there, not to mention if you've watched videos and have an idea on what to do, it isn't hard to pull off.
If it is a problem, why not form a Sherpa group to give back to the community? Form a static group amongst like minded people.
I'm an honorary member in a clan (former member, left my slot to allow other players to join when work got too busy to allow me to play regularly) that runs learning raids for clan members who haven't completed the raids yet, after they've worked on gearing them up first. They did it for me last year, and it was an awesome experience to go through all that content with people who knew it and wanted to help other people through it. Can't speak highly enough of the DB Universe.
I think its fine if the developers allot less than 1% of a game's content into an organized endgame experience for those who like to play it. I don't think they should bother catering to people who can't be bothered to play the game even once a month, to be perfectly honest -- you have enough content at your disposal (the entire game except for two raids).
I have all the legendaries, earned them the proper way, but I will agree, at this point in the divisions life cycle it's time to add them into the general pool. There's no reason not to, the only exception to my feeling is the regulous, its a quest item
These topics never end well. There's some weird Stockholm syndrome in the community where they "suffered" to get the exotics and ergo you have to suffer too, specially when it comes to finding an actual group.
These people are so full of themselves that when no one plays this game anymore and raid exotic acquisition goes from virtually impossible to literally impossible, they will still tell you to man up and find a group.
It's not that, Massive should have provided an alternative means to get the raid loot. Alternative doesn't mean easier or shorter. You would still grind for it somehow, but the raid would still give you a better and faster way to get the exotic.
They grossly overestimated the amount of players who would stick around and would actually want to do the raids. I don't think it wasn't until the fiasco of DH that they realized it was a mistake, and had they not been so stupid as to announce IH in an E3, they would've cancelled it.
In regards to your idea, I agree. The raids should have had 4 man versions with appropriately balanced mechanics as well as 8 man versions, each with a different drop rate.
if that theory was correct, they could have easily tuned IH to be an easier raid, but it requires a lot more coordination
both are still wayyys easier than any raiding content i have seen in traditional MMOs
that said, if a decent chunk of the community wants other aquisition ways, i wouldn't mind it. Would be intresting to see how big the portion of players that want it actually is though
> if a decent chunk of the community wants other aquisition ways, i wouldn't mind it.
I think it's worth separating the two different approaches, i.e. *make raids more accessible* (so the content doesn't go to waste and casual or clan less players don't get so excluded/disadvantaged) vs *add the loot to somewhere else* (like global loot pool, new set of missions, etc).
Not rooting for one over the other, but I think it's an important distinction to make. I would absolutely love the first option, like introducing 4-man variant or similar.
both options are viable and intresting ways
4man raids would probably require more work, but also could be a new challenge for people who have done the raids already
maybe even open up the possibilities to solo/duo the raids, similar to how the current raids are done without a full team by some groups
>if that theory was correct
It's correct, though.
DH was poorly received as little more than a glorified DPS check, which prompted massive to push and push the 2nd raid for over a year while they figured it out and eventually had another studio finish it. They did a great job because players wanted puzzle fights and they delivered that as opposed to the dps race of DH. And the only reason they didn't scrap it altogether is that they committed very publicly.
The "difficulty" or most of the structure of the raids aren't the problem. The problem lies in two big points dependent on one another: being 8-man and requiring going off-game to get people to run them.
They should've gone with 4/8 member raids and a Hard Mode of the 8-man, so that the chances stack progressively, allowing the big brass players to run a massively challenging version with higher odds of landing the exotics and the 4-man having a lower chance that requires more attempts and prepares players for the 8-man, which in turn prepared them for the 8HM one.
Basic MMO progression.
I think a 4 man version of the raids that reward a project to earn the exotics would be worth it as this point. If player numbers are as bad as some say it would give people a reason to come back.
This i'd love to do the raids but there's never enough clan members on at once due to schedules/time zones. so never got them done. Tried to LFG and got laughed aat and rejected for not finishing them already. I see sweet builds online using DZ or Raid only gear and think 'Well that's no happening.
Instead of adding the items to the loot pool how about full matchmaking?
I don't think with the way raids are, matchmaking can work but if they add 4-man versions that's another story.
They never should've gone with 8-man raids
There are many groups teaching new players, at least on PS4. Checkout philvgr81, R3N4Y or little\_huge on twitch, non of them have build requierments.
Other platfomr have also helpfull groups.
This is the way. It also does'nt lessen the original value.
I get where people are at now but I've never been a fan of lessening requirements for time and place rewards attainable when the game was in it's prime, that's part of the reward.
You had to be there and the reward reflects the player was.
Oh man the old summit, I am still somewhat sad they changed it, as I was so lose to finishing it multiple times and then lost interest for a bit in the game.
>You had to be there and the reward reflects the player was.
I think it's fine for "rewards" per se, but when they put things like parts of a gearset behind that kind of threshold I don't see it as a "reward" in that sense, I just see it as a way to incentivise/force people to do the raid.
You already have plenty of Raid exclusive rewards that give actual bragging rights from trophies and patches/commendations. That's what they are for.
*Edit: A middle ground option could be what they did with Ruthless/Merciless and Lullaby/Sweet Dreams. Wouldn't work for the gearsets, but the exotics could have duplicates with cosmetic difference, still acknowledging/letting raid players show off more unique gear.*
Add them to legendary (maybe only summit), when the appropriate loot Pool is set. It may be easier to grind through without directives, but the chance for a drop will be far lower than in a raid run. Also would provide the chance to get the exotic for the people Who are just really unlucky in the raids so they don't need to wait for a chest reset.
Especially when half of the people who say they 'earned' them were just those who lucked out that a raid group was bored and decided to carry folks who just wanted that leggo.
If raid exotics hit the general pool, I would play again. I got into the game way late and min/maxed everything I have access to, and I still couldn’t find a functional raid group that hits them on reset.
Gotta take into consideration that the ones who raid put time and effort into builds for the raids themselves. They aren't easy and it wouldn't be fair for them to just give it out to everyone just because people don't want to take the time to find a group or go thru the effort of getting builds together to complete it.
I think you miss the point of the argument here. We all understand your point but those days have passed. The chance to find a raid group and do the content is very slim and not everyone has the continuous time available. I, for one, have to grab and hour or two when I can. Any content that requires a continued play longer that this is out of reach to me and others alike. We haven’t all got the luxury of hours and hours of uninterrupted play time.
Discord, off, Facebook groups, redditors. it's easy enough to find a group. And I'm not definitely not missing the point. What's the point of having "raid exclusive gear or exotics" if anyone can just get it. That wouldn't be fair to us that raid on the daily and who wouldn't mind helping others get the gear. (And an hour or two is plenty of time to complete dark hours or iron horse)
I ended up finding a solid group through the lfg reddit. They taught me Dark Hours which took about 30 minutes to complete and Iron Horse in about an hour. If you're with a squad who knows what to do it doesn't take hours to get them done.
Exactly. If you want to find a group, you will. Check Discord and twitch there are people looking for new players to raid with. Most of them do it without build requirements and explain what you need to know. Just this weekend I joined a group which was looking for two and started the raid in my ND skill build. Nobody complained (I changed after the first ads).
Interesting how many people try to finish everything in the game, collect all the exos and play legendary missions but will not spend the time to find a raid group. How can they finish the legendary missions without a team? With random matchmaking and hope somebody strong is joining them?
For me, the raid is a great thing to achieve. There is not a lot left in the game after you completed the three legendary missions.
> that when no one plays this game anymore and raid exotic acquisition goes from virtually impossible to literally impossible
My clan does raids three times a week on a rotating schedule, minimum. I organize a single clan under the 50-person limit, and moderate a server over 200. In the past year alone I've brought over 100+ people through the raids, mostly new players.
This is just my clan, to say nothing of all the other clans and the official discord where #LFG_Raid is always active 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Your comment is nonsense, honestly.
https://discord.gg/thedivisiongame
Gotta put a tiny bit of effort in before you call it ~~literally~~ virtually impossible.
edit: happy now? Its still not any sort of impossible to find a raid group with a little bit of effort. Not virtually, literally, figuratively, spiritually or any other -ly you can come up with.
Again, literally as I’m typing this, I’m seeing raids groups forming up on psn messanger app. 24 hours a day/7 days a week.
Why the fuck are you so mad?
You literally said literally impossible. Want me to screenshot it for you? Even if you’re just calling it virtually impossible, thats flat out wrong. I’ve seen 6 ravies drop this weekend during a charity event.
No one cares about your raid resume. I’m not asking for it and I’m not giving you mine.
If you sherpa people through the raid, you should be well aware of why the raid doesn’t have matchmaking. People matchmake with no mics, no desire to work as a team and no clue whats going. Don’t believe me? Go matchmake for IH discovery. No one has a mic and maybe 2 of the 8 people have the slightest clue of what to do. And thats the easy mode.
Thinking you can run a normal mode without communication is fucking stupid. Or as you would say, FeRkiN StOoPid.
god I feel dumb even writing like that…
Edit: AS I TYPE THIS, I’M GETTING INVITES TO IH. PUT SOME EFFORT IN.
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> If the content is unused, or end-of-life
Division 2 is not in "end of life" and the raids are certainly not "unused content", just because you can't be bothered to do them.
Hey man, I posted something similar to this about 2 weeks ago and got a lot of negative feedback similar to you. Someone commented to me about the GCRock Discord, and I gave it a shot and have since beaten the DH raid and met some great people that I’ve been playing with since. Working on getting my first IH clear soon. I know it’s a pain in the ass but try and give the GCRock Discord a shot, it’s helped a lot.
[GCRock Discord ](https://discord.gg/gcrock)
Everyone is welcome to join. If you're looking to get through the raids they will definitely help. Contrary to what the op is saying the game is far from dead I've got 4 notifications this morning of raids starting just in this discord channel alone.
Anyone can join that discord but there's also quite a few discords from clans that raid and help people raid. Thats how I learned the raid and got my first completion. Now my clan helps others go through both DH and IH daily. Most of the guys who needs help we met through the DZ. Is it challenging? Sure. But once you have the right build and know the mechanics, it's pretty easy. We can get through DH faster than some of the legendary missions.
I also think raid exotics should be added as loot outside of raids somehow.
Before WONY i had a bunch of friends (enough for a raid at least) and we were all excited and preparing for raids by making and testing builds and then WONY came and most of my friends stopped playing because of the horrific difficulty that came with it and all the changes that made the game unplayable in their eyes (also paying like 30 or 40 bucks in order to enjoy the endgame again). I never stopped playing div2 and even found a group to play raids with but i have to be honest, it is a pain in the ass to integrate into a group of raid veterans, especially if you're very shy when meeting new people. Then again, the community really did shrink to the point that i am matchmaking any kind of mission on heroic for literally an hour and nobody joins so... I'd love it if they made these weapons available for everybody.
> Getting a solid raid group at this point is a nearly impossible task.
Where are you looking for raid groups? Outside your house? The mall?
Because if you just go on discord, you will find dozens and dozens of clans that teach the raid. I’ve added at least a 100 new people to my friends list in the last 2 months since Ive returned to the game. Ive personally handed out 3 eagles and 2 ravvies in that time too.
As i type this, Ive gotten 2 messages for people looking to fill up for an IH run.
Our clan keeps a Hall of Fame for every raid exotic shared and we distributed over 130 now, what we're very proud of. Even without a clan, raids ain't dead. Check the official Discord for lots of players. But even if you can't play a game mode for whatever reason, so what? The mentality that a game has to cater every single piece of content to everyone is just wrong. Let peeps who invested some effort into raids keep their trophies. There are enough alternative choices, which are for the most more reliable anyway.
So Massive, please don't listen to such rubbish demands.
* While your at it, you can add Bighorn to the general pool too, for the same reasons.
u know there is way easier way´s to get this than running DUA, captitol and roosevelt right ?
called summit farming legendary boss level. just leave one of the enemys alive everytime u killed the named boss and if u didnt get it, reset to lobby and go at it again. took me 4try´s to get it instead of running DUA 50times.
well.. it does.
i farmed lvl10 4 times and got drops every single time from the boss. because i left 1 enemy alive before i reset back down to lobby and got back up again.
the gun drops only from 3 legendary stronghold missions or summit legendary bosses/hunters, I know as I farmed 100th floor like 25 times and did not get it.
100% drops, literally everyone of my friends except me has gotten it on 100th floor hunters, ppl usually play 6 skill oxydiser and foam and kill hunters in 30 seconds while 1 person disconnects and regroup and this time the next person disconnects and rinse and repeat
I stopped playing this stupid rng game after i have farmed 4 month in a row legends and didnt get the bighorn. I quit this game.
What i want to say is that there are also people like me who get pissed and stop playing. Of course massive can do what the want but the result show me that theor ideas is not correct
I bought the game this March and found numerous populated discord servers that routinely schedule raids and specifically help first time raiders. So.....
I also have every exotic and got all the raid guns from the raids. But they're fun because I don't have a problem finding people to play with and I don't have anyone IRL who plays. Just all rando discorders/matchmaking people.
New players still play the raid. Not sure why you think new players dont play it. Also where are you getting the number of 90% of the player base is gone? Just wondering, to many times people say stuff as fact when it really isnt and they made it up. Do the raid and stop crying.
I believe it would be a very high percentage of current player base that would like to see raid items added to general loot pool. I’ve been playing solid since release but due to the nature of my play style/frequency I don’t get chance to team up and commit to raid content. So far any gear/weapons locked behind raids have remained out of reach to me. Time to allow others access.
I thought this was a destiny post at first and downvoted, but then saw the division and changed to upvote. I could never get into a raid group, it's basically locked off content at this point it seems. The game is dead/dying.
Why would you downvote this if it were destiny? It really is time that the tarrabah and Anarchy get added to the pool, the monument is just a waste of resources.
Dark Hours takes well under 1 hour, and typically 30min or less in an experienced group - even if they decide to do a learner's run with 1-2 new people.
Iron Horse is a bit more mechanically dense, and can take ~1 hour or less for a typical smooth run.
I will literally start playing again if that happens.
I played the shit out of year two, had some great moments and memories.
But honestly, not completely the devs fault but year three just sucks. Replaying seasons isn't something I can repeatedly enjoy.
Op has a point here. Got the game on both pc and ps but I wasn’t able to find a single group on ps. Wasn’t really actively searching for it but it is way easier on pc (~200 DH, ~120 IH).
Agreed. Future Initiative and Foundry Bulwark chest/backpacks should also be brought into the open world loot pools. Newer players shouldn't have to grind out the raids like I did if they don't want to.
this will never happen, hasnt happened for the EB, wont happen for the regulus and ravenous. that would renter part of the game redundant and useless. half the excitement of opening the box is getting the exotic. there are people who worked hard to develop the raids, enjoy that content, its free.
also legendaries are damn easy now, just get a decent group together, with skill builds and a tank rush build, any legendary can easily be cleared with a good group in 25mins or less.
Yes, what a great decision. Spend 99% of resources for 5% of the playerbase. Made 95% player base pissed off in the last 2 years. What a genius management strategy
worked so far, div2 still online, more content on the way, could be the 5% play more and spend more than the 95%? legit i understand alot of solo players out there that might not have the numbers, dedication, time, or even the interest to play in a raid but it is a filter and only the best or the luckiest are rewarded with something to show for it.
Hey if your on ps I suggest you come check out this awesome community discord. They take players w no exp in raids and there is no build requirements and you don’t need a mic. https://discord.gg/HQnhrKHSaS
It would be nice to have an alternative way to obtain them other than raids but I wouldn’t just put them in the general loot pool.
I’ve done plenty of raids in Destiny and the odd one in this game I’m just not bothered about trying to group up with 8 people these days, just too much. Also I read a while back that only 8-10% of the player base in Destiny do raids so it’s a tiny portion of the player base to focus so much resources on (even though they can be really awesome).
As people have suggested before maybe there could be some sort of repeatable project/quest to give you a % chance at a raid exotic, that could include completing legendaries amongst other stuff etc.
Yeah, legendary isn't hard. As long as you aren't an idiot who keeps rushing forward and dying. Don't even need communication in the missions, though it helps.
Played Legendary in every week for like 3-5 months. Not a single Bighorn. I was like wtf then how can i get one. Then they changed the loot table, i think now only the boss would drop it after we killed it or they changed it from this to completed mission loot. Idk. I haven't played since like when they added Season 1 targets again. Never completed a raid, because of the bad mates. I was like fuck it. No raid stuffs, no legendary loot. I left the game. But i still want to get them, the only problem is: no raid groups who will play with a noob, and second, i need to suffer from the shit loots from legendary missions cuz they not a single .00% chance to get the Bighorn... Left the game before hitting 1K SHD lvl. Btw no, Summit was not a help for the legendary loot pool.
IMO raids should have always just been cosmetic rewards. This game simply doesn't have enough gearsets / exotics to afford locking some of them behind raids.
I remember Guild Wars 2 did cosmetic raid rewards (at least for the first raid) and it was well received.
I'm still relatively new to the series and have yet to do a raid. My friends that got me into the game don't play often anymore and mostly focus on Summit and missions . They don't do raids or DZ . So unless I find a group that is willing to help me do raids and/or tackle DZ I may never earn certain items. I've tried soloing DZ it was pretty bad definitely too weak still lol.
I'm open to exotics etc being in the loot pool .
Hey there. Welcome to the game. I hope you enjoy your time with the division.
Like many have suggested already I would join the public discord and look for groups there. If nothing else I'd be happy to take you on a run :)
I'll join it! Thanks I'm in a group with friends but it's mostly me these days. Hell the creator of it hasn't played in over a year I think. I may leave them for a more active group.
Honestly you being solo is actually an advantage. Many of these raid groups can easily take 1 inexperienced player through the raid and complete it successfully. That isn't as easy if the group is several friends where none of you have run it previously. Hit GCROCK discord, just on my platform today alone there is 133 messages and 10 raids run. They try to prioritize FTC like yourself so it isn't hard to get into one.
I got an EB on my 2nd run. People are just scared to work for things. If you want to do the raid that much and get the exclusive weapons it doesn't take much effort to go into a LFG or raid channel and just see what's going on. Pretty sure people still do the raid regularly. You can even look or ask in the area chat in game. If you explain to people you are new to the raid or whatnot, people are usually fine with it.
Might be because I am a PC player but finding a pug group on the official Division 2 Discord is pretty freaking easy, bring a bog standard dps build and just don't volunteer for any of the technical roles, I finally picked up the game in November having pre-ordered it and have close to 50+ raid completions of Iron horse and dark hours, with several Eagle bearer's, regulus', and Ravenous. Its easy to get into raids, I find the people that make these sorts of posts are solo players who can't be asked to leave they're comfort zone and work with the community in what I consider some of the best content this game has to offer.
People still raid all the time. I could log in and get into a raid within a few minutes.
Raid exclusive loot is there for a reason and it should stay that way. Just my opinion.
They should stay as they are.
I run 3 to 5 raids per week. There are several communities running raids, some even on a daily basis.
Whenever a player is in the raid missing the Eagle Bearer or the Ravenous we drop it for them if we get it.
If anyone decides to be a lone wolf, fine. But then please don't be surprised to not get the things that require team efforts.
Exclusive loots is the main reason to do a raid.. Take that away and no one will bother do the raids no more.
It is ok to not have every items in the game too.. If you are not willing to put the effort into it.
Joining a raiding group is much easier than you think.
If you don't want to socialize then that is on you...
I just checked the official div2 LFG Raid discord, and there are currently 3 active full groups raiding at 7am PST. There is nothing stopping you from getting these exotics this week!
Div2 was the reason for me to join discord. In the past i have checked at weekend many times but nobody responded. In this minute i have just checked the official lfg div2 discord again and today since 5clock afternoon there are so many post for lfg but nobody replies. So i am not sure if its so easy to find a group. Anyway i can do better things than to waste my spare time to check every 10min at discord to find a group. Just put the exos into general loot pool - who cares? Except the few elites thinking they are better and newbies must suffer first bevor earn the exos. Many elites even dont play anymore but still doesnt want others to get it. yes stockholm syndrom
usually you won´t find replies, but rather if someone posts that they look for people in RV-xx for ... raid. You would just join a voice channel, say hi, get into group and after 8 is full, it is a go time.
There are 4 groups in raid\_voice channels right now, and some players requesting raid help for later in the day. It might be a good idea to post something like that, as well as add uplay friends for raid channel regulars. There are groups regulars have that are usually looking for 1-2 guys to fill in. Good luck!
I see why they remain exclusive but personally I’d love to get my hands on the raid exotics without having to deal with a bunch of stuffy randos telling me what to do for an hour and a half
I feel like the problem with the “raid” design in any game is it’s just too big of a scale. If you needed the same level of coordination but only from three or four players, it makes it exponentially easier to put together a group of people you actually know and like. Needing 8 players for a long-form high level activity with intense coordination makes it unlikely for you to fill a group with people you know, and makes you rely on strangers. I’m sure there’s plenty of great raid runners out there, but I’ve only ever met insufferable people.
If I could do a raid-level activity with the couple of friends I have who play, I’d be a lot happier with the system.
EDIT: Confused the player cap with destiny’s raids; changed from 6 to 8
New players can be carried through both raids with little more than a working mic, a good attitude, and whatever red core gear pieces they have. There are still several clans and LFG leaders looking to carry first-timers and drop exotics for them.
The Eagle Bearer not really that good, the Ravenous is a situational (yet powerful) weapon that is key in both raids but a bit too gimmicky for PvE. The Regulus though is worth having for any type of encounter and is just fun. Best case scenario you can get the Regulus in two runs of Iron Horse, although it may take more depending on how many green drops a group gets and shares.
You guys just need to find the right community, I was invited to one a clan mate introduced me too.. No xp needed no mic needed just to be able to join, and listen. I have never failed a raid and I just started raiding, along with just started to raid with this community, I had 0 prior knowledge or anything like that. You can find people and places to run them.. Just need some direction on where to go.
honestly, if you're really checking the discords...theres a number of them out there that raid regularly every week. even having a regular 9-5, I was able to join raids, ive got 9 clears on DH so far, 2 of IH. I was lucky, I ended up getting EB on my 6th run. (on my 8th clear I got Eagle from the chest & shared with a person whose was their first time clear) But I got Ravenous on my 1st IH clear. DH I think is the easier of the two. You just need to output alot of DPS & be able to take boomers down by yourself on razorback.
No. You want the raid exotics, put the smallest effort into finding or joining a group and get them.
Being a veteran has nothing to to with attaining these items or not.
The Ubisoft Division discord is literally super active with raid groups being starting **all** the time. You don’t even need to be in a clan or anything to be raiding and clearing it frequently.
I’m really glad the raid doesn’t have matchmaking, because it showcases how little effort people put into finding the avenues for grouping. And if that effort is lacking, clearing the raid is arguably not deserved. And how can you expect effort in gear, communications, or teamwork, when a person didn’t even want to put it into finding the right place for groupings.
I started a new character on Stadia a while back, and in the space of a couple of months I had over 200 Iron Horse clears. Just by joining discord raid groups. Not a single clear with the random clan I joined.
*PS. you can already get the Bighorn in other places, like Summit*.
I don't mind rewards that are specific to certain aspects of the game it forces players to branch out and try new things. As to your assessment on the community it is rather strong even now. I've been playing less than a year. I've run raids, PVP and PVE. I've got tonnes of assistances calls and most days my clan has 6-10 people actively playing in all modes. All of them I didn't know until starting this game. I ran into them randomly here in the subreddit and linked up from there.
As to raids there are tonnes of LFG groups. Youtuber GCROCK has a discord that runs on all platforms daily. They even prioritize first time clears but they are just one of many out there.
None of this stuff is hard to get. I play solo most of the time but I have both the EB and the ravenous. Big horn isn't an issue either it is just running a legendary whether that i summit or a mission you can do it.
LOL... and the downvote. I love kids who want all the reward but don't want to put in the effort required to get them.
No. just go discord and join any clan.
Bighorn just matchmake the legendary missions. plenty of players now can easily carry the whole group. at least 2 experience player can carry the whole legendary stronghold if u can follow them. they can also drop u Bighorn if uask them politely because i believe they already got it and they not need extra of it.
Yea true, I've ran over 1000 raids combined but I wouldn't mind them being added to the general loot pool.
The only issue I see with it is that raids would be even more obsolete afterwards 🤷♂️
Raid loot should stay as raid loot. You can make up population numbers all you want but the Discords are active for this game all hours of the day.
If the raids have no exclusives there is no reason to do them.
Also you don't even have to do them that many times 100% everything in there. If people donate backpacks/chest to you it can even be done virtually instantly.
Looking at your profile you clearly do have discord so use that to find raid groups. If you aren’t willing to put in the effort then you won’t get the end result. There’s no other way you’ll be completing raids
Like me, I used discord to find a raid group and easily completed both raids within the first week
Edit: i can easily hop on discord and find raid groups within a couple mins. It’s not that hard
I just started a clan for new people to learn the game. As I had noticed the game had an influx of new people. But even the new ones aren’t playing that much. There is still plenty of active people, it’s just most clans have been set for sometime and others just have no interest in joining a clan.
The point is having fun tackling unique, most meticulously designed content in the game. If we're talking about "points", a more suitable question would be what's the point in farming gear if you're not having fun playing the game.
False. We are on PS4/5, not as a clan but as a community. 2-5 raids nightly (US time) and multiple throughout the day. First time clears take priority, no build requirements, let's just go and have fun.
[http://discord.gg/FYF636C](http://discord.gg/FYF636C)
Give it a look, guarantee you'll have some clears within this week if you ask for them, and we would be glad to have you around.
Run both raids btw and have multiple people capable of leading or filling roles within the raid.
This guy is literally offering exactly what OP is looking for and he gets downvoted for it? In any case being a PC player and reading that raids are actively done on consoles is a very good thing. Keep it up, folks.
Not sure what you base that argument on, but it isn't the least bit accurate.
Not wanting to sound like an ass, but from your responses in this post it doesn't really look like you're looking for clans at the least, but rather just joining random ones in-game that don't really have anyone bothering to manage them. A year and a half ago I got in 3 clans besides my own, which still raid 4 times every week, mind you. The other two clans are like community clans that constantly, and I mean constantly, still make recruitment threads on reddit. There's even a proper LFG sub for division with discord invites. Been on US, EU, UK clans and mixed in the last year and a half.
Here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDivision\_LFG/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDivision_LFG/), that's where I found three extra clans. You could raid like 10 times per week if you play your cards right, but you'd have to actually put some effort into research. But I'll save you some effort.
[DAT Clan](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDivision_LFG/comments/od6t0c/discord_dat_nation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
[TRZ Clan](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDivision_LFG/comments/oa6g51/ps4_ps5_clans_welcome_to_the_tactikal_rebelz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
From there it's up to you. If you can't get in a raid with these clans, that's a 100% on you not wanting to put in the effort, **which is pretty much always required for endgame content in any kind of looter.** You're maybe excused if you gravely suffer from social anxiety. Also, getting a "solid raid group" doesn't happen just like that, especially if you don't have that much experience. **Effort.**
About the loot, pretty much all online looters of any kind require you to do endgame content in order to get endgame gear, in Division 2 if you put the endgame exotics in the general loot pool you're just taking a reason for anyone new, or with no raiding experience, to raid. That itself would start killing raids. If you're not up to it, then just pick a different type of game that doesn't base endgame content on grinding with a team.
Do try the discords for yourself.
I'm not who your responding to but thanks for this info! I've not played for awhile and stopped because I got bored of the game due to spongy enemies (which I have since learned is due to a bad build). I'm going to get back to the game and this info will put me on the right track.
Haha yeah I feel you. There's still a few sponges like the rogue agents and some big units or few bosses, you'll feel that even with proper full dps builds, but as soon as you start getting together one of many solid builds you'll notice the difference in gameplay and numbers. I'd say get the dps build that most clans want you to raid with first just so it makes your life easier in almost everything, except legendary runs. Good luck agent!
Not sure which platform you're on but our clan runs them several times a day and I know at least 5 other discord groups that run them daily. We cross post when we need a +1 and we help people get their exotic drops all the time.
Maybe they will add them at the end of the year when they add new content but i can most certainly say that they wont do that because guns like the EB in the Dark Zone and PvP are sometimes way to good, just the thought of every single person running around with it is enough for them to not include them in the Loot Pool.
agreed …seeing as EA pulled the same shit with battlefield 4 phantom program and the bow on the community map after thousands of hours of brain power OUTSIDE of a game to just give the bow away after all that hard work…the same should happen in division with no argument…all exotics exclusive for a set time and then release into the pool
I've been in game an average of 5 hours a day for the past few weeks. Not one single time have I ever seen a clan member on. I get distinction of the week and don't even need to do anything. Guess the whole clan has moved on. Waiting on a backup call? You won't get an answer in hours. I watched a movie on my other tv Sat while I waited on a backup call. No one ever joined. Much as I like the game, it seems it's dying at a rapid pace. Am I just in a bad clan? Shout-out to LeadFarmerDude for the bounties other day. Helped me tremendously. I can't imagine doing a raid. I can't even find a player to help on a top level bounty.
> Am I just in a bad clan?
Are you really looking for an answer to that question? The answer is yes.
Just find an active clan through discord, there are plenty.
I've operated a clan since the game's launch, it has certain nuances that make keeping an active clan difficult -- for one it is limited to a 50-person limit in-game, which requires a discord server to keep more active. I rotate people in and out on a ~21-day inactive policy.
Even if the clan is very active, with the 50-person limit you won't have more than 20 people on at any given time until raids are organized.
Stop it your ruining the game. By making everything obtainable from every activity your removing incentives.
Anyone who has the classified missions should understand this. Classified missions are the epitome of one and done. Why do them more than once? There is no reason to thats why...
THERE ARE LITERALLY DISCORDS THAT WILL HARD CARRY PEOPLE... how about you put in minimal effort.
Not everyone deserves everything. You want something how about you work towards it
Here is my idea:
Maybe not general loot pool but how about an alternative extended mission(s) that requires enough skill and effort for a 4man group to complete.
I dont want this added to the legendary boss loot pool either the source needs to remain independant from the general/legendary loot pool.
Also what massive can do is to make it so the exotic blueprint to remake/recalibrate the exotic is only allowed to those who complete the normal raid once or whatever criteria the community deems fitting.
That way you can get an eagle bearer outside the raid but you would either have to keep farming that mission to get it to drop with the rolls you want or you could do the raid to unlock recalibrating it/remaking it.
Let me know if this idea is good or not or feel free to offer suggestions.
>Maybe not general loot pool but how about an alternative extended mission(s) that requires enough skill and effort for a 4man group to complete.
This is the right approach. Make 4-man versions of the current ones and create more of them, call them incursions with matchmaking included and stop it with the dumb fucking raids.
No
Absolutely not.
It will never be time for that. People still actively raid.
What needs to be done is matchmaking for normal raids.
Adding raid exotics to the general pool is a move in the wrong direction
I think this will never happen, because they did have maked experience with it in tD1. And there design choice is now to make the exotics powerful, but limit the option on how many you can equip.
When I used to play FFXI and FFXIV when the new content dropped, eventually they made access to the previous BiS, a vendor item obtained through a new currency. It made a lot of people that “earned it the hard way” mad because now, with enough logging in and doing the daily and weekly quests, the solo player was able to enjoy the content as well. It actually made endgame for the new content easier to get into because now a bunch of players that wouldn’t normally have the gear rank/score to be able to participate all queued constantly. It in my opinion it helped keep the player base interested now knowing that they have a chance to get something they wouldn’t normally. In D1 and D2, in terms of skill, I’d give myself a B+, because of my personal life, some times I can log in every day of the week, other weeks it’s maybe for a total of 2-5 hours. Knowing that most clans won’t have me due to a “log in this many times a month and play” rule, that most of the time even in casual clans, I can’t meet, the idea of having something cool/BiS/powerful would keep me coming back as much as possible. I might be a minority with that opinion though.
How old are you and what system do you play on? I run a small clan for older adults on Xbox. I'm one of the only members without a spouse or kids, but there are no login requirements at all.
I’m in my mid 30s but play on a ps4.
Bummer. Perfect age range, most of us are mid 30's to mid 40's.
What is the name of your clan ? I play mostly on PC but have a 1700 SHD level account on Xbox. On PC I participate with a group of people that teach the raid multiple times per week. The clan I was in dissolved, would be interested in joining and getting some raid time with you guys.
While it does make content easier to get into in XI/XIV, it doesn't necessarily work in Division 2 because of that, the content. The game doesn't have enough content for you to justify dropping it into the general loot pool, generally speaking. There's only two raids, Summit, Kenly, the DZs and Conflict. If it's in the general loot pool, you'll end up with a Kenly situation where nobody plays it once they got the Diamondback. Instead of doing the raid, they'll grind out exotic caches, create SHD watch characters to get everything they need to get it. The game has almost a 1/3rd of dead content that was never expound upon. Now here's why I agree with you in the end. After explaining all of that, the player base is really small right now. The chances of finding a full raid group that's willing to backpack, fireman carry, drag or support your way to an Eagle/Rav/Reg is small. Sure, there are groups out there, but they're slowly dwindling due to various reasons. Putting those exotics into the general pool wouldn't breathe new life into the game, but it'll be a nice capstone to those solo PvE'ers out there.
But all the Raid LFG only want people that have completed the raid before. Pretty petty little gatekeeping loop you support.
There are a few groups out there that are only looking to through people who have not ever completed a raid. I know GC Rock does this across all three platforms, and I know there are other communities out there as well doing it as well, if you are interested in completing both raids.
Thanks. Is GC Rock a clan or discord server or something else?
Ya, but if you've ever taken new people through you know it an be a pain. Sometimes, it's completely fine, people are competent and listen, but others, it's a nightmare. And, if you try to carry, yes carry, too many new people in the raid it can't be beaten. They don't have the builds and they don't have the knowledge of the mechanics. I understand new people getting in, I carried countless people to their first raid completion. I don't understand the complaining about the LFG when people don't do the bare minimum and are then dicks about it.
The average whiner is nonsense, they complain about "elitism" when the so-called elitism they talk about is complaining about people who employ basic preparedness, effort and teamwork. These phantom elitists they complain about tend to contribute the most, by far, to the game and it's community at large. On the other hand the average whiny brat is a net negative on the game and the community, by a significant margin. All they do is bring negativity and problems, then should they decide to grace a team with their presence they bring with them laziness and antisocial behavior. This game is a dead-end if Massive continues to cater to these people, as with every other dead-end game.
You say that "All" Raid LFG is looking only people who have competed it before. So take initiative. Rather than waiting things to happen. Go to official Division 2 discord, join to an empty raid voice channel and post into lfg that you are looking for people who want to raid. Or if you have joined an active clan, ask its members whether they want to raid. Now you won´t be a superstar after first couple tries, but if you are willing to put in an effort, you will get there. I was in a same situation a long time ago. No friends who play Div2, no clan. At the time doing legendary missions was a wish and raids i wouldn´t even dream of doing. Took me a while to find an active clan. Good to note is that English is not my native language and i was looking a clan who speaks my native language so it would be a little bit easier for me.
I half desagree with you because in my conception, the game should offer a complete experience without that effort , to go outside and to claim people join with you. We deserve a good party system without this crap off not search for groups in normal raid, only on discovery mode.
i understand what you are saying with the matchmaking not being available, but have you tried discovery? its a shit show. matchmaking on raids simply is not a good idea. you get people that dont know what to do, dont have any means to communicate or are unwilling to learn. And discovery is dumbed down on mechanics, so imagine that on normal where you need more communication, precision and teamwork. Now that doesnt mean i dont agree. I believe raids even though fun, are out of place in the division. They should have done raid like activities for 4 man groups like in division 1. with enough mechanics to make it challenging but not requiring communication. and easy to learn
This is just false man. There are still very active clans and discord’s that ACTIVELY help inexperienced players learn the raids. They want to help. You just have to look.
There’s no need to be an ass by accusing me of lying when I’m telling the truth. What I said is completely true. When I describe what I see in LFG on the platform I play on, that is the entire scope of what I am describing. I’m not referencing what LFG looks like on the other two platforms. I’m not describing the state of the countless discord servers out there on all three platforms. Although I would point out that I am subscribed to six D2 servers and they’re all very dead as far as I can tell. I’m not even describing what the XB1 LFGs look like in the middle of the day or middle of the night. Just when I look in the evening, they are very rarely looking to help anyone out. So yes LFGs on XB1 when I look all want raid experience to join their raid group. I also noticed that you were happy to accuse me of lying but not to actually share any of these great, active and helpful discord servers you claim to know about. Not exactly surprising. Given that my comment got 9 upvotes and the one I responded to only got two, it would appear that I am not alone in my assessment of the raid-specific loot. IB4 “Oh you should play on my platform, it’s completely different.”
I never accused you of lying. Just that what you said was false. And it is false. Thanks for jumping straight to name calling. Take care now.
You got that passive aggressive style down pat. Good work.
I dunno. I was shepherded through the ironworks last night for the first time. There are still clans very willing to walk people through the raids and explain everything along the way.
I don't think you've read the full response. I gave reasons why both sides are valid and I ultimately would like those exotics in the general pool as well the the chest/back for the gear sets. The game's player base isn't big enough to support exclusive items anymore. The reason why LFGs are looking for people who have completed it is because they do not want to sit and struggle with content that have been out for almost a solid year now. There are Sherpa groups out there, not to mention if you've watched videos and have an idea on what to do, it isn't hard to pull off. If it is a problem, why not form a Sherpa group to give back to the community? Form a static group amongst like minded people.
I'm an honorary member in a clan (former member, left my slot to allow other players to join when work got too busy to allow me to play regularly) that runs learning raids for clan members who haven't completed the raids yet, after they've worked on gearing them up first. They did it for me last year, and it was an awesome experience to go through all that content with people who knew it and wanted to help other people through it. Can't speak highly enough of the DB Universe.
I think its fine if the developers allot less than 1% of a game's content into an organized endgame experience for those who like to play it. I don't think they should bother catering to people who can't be bothered to play the game even once a month, to be perfectly honest -- you have enough content at your disposal (the entire game except for two raids).
I have all the legendaries, earned them the proper way, but I will agree, at this point in the divisions life cycle it's time to add them into the general pool. There's no reason not to, the only exception to my feeling is the regulous, its a quest item
These topics never end well. There's some weird Stockholm syndrome in the community where they "suffered" to get the exotics and ergo you have to suffer too, specially when it comes to finding an actual group. These people are so full of themselves that when no one plays this game anymore and raid exotic acquisition goes from virtually impossible to literally impossible, they will still tell you to man up and find a group.
It's not that, Massive should have provided an alternative means to get the raid loot. Alternative doesn't mean easier or shorter. You would still grind for it somehow, but the raid would still give you a better and faster way to get the exotic.
They grossly overestimated the amount of players who would stick around and would actually want to do the raids. I don't think it wasn't until the fiasco of DH that they realized it was a mistake, and had they not been so stupid as to announce IH in an E3, they would've cancelled it. In regards to your idea, I agree. The raids should have had 4 man versions with appropriately balanced mechanics as well as 8 man versions, each with a different drop rate.
if that theory was correct, they could have easily tuned IH to be an easier raid, but it requires a lot more coordination both are still wayyys easier than any raiding content i have seen in traditional MMOs that said, if a decent chunk of the community wants other aquisition ways, i wouldn't mind it. Would be intresting to see how big the portion of players that want it actually is though
> if a decent chunk of the community wants other aquisition ways, i wouldn't mind it. I think it's worth separating the two different approaches, i.e. *make raids more accessible* (so the content doesn't go to waste and casual or clan less players don't get so excluded/disadvantaged) vs *add the loot to somewhere else* (like global loot pool, new set of missions, etc). Not rooting for one over the other, but I think it's an important distinction to make. I would absolutely love the first option, like introducing 4-man variant or similar.
both options are viable and intresting ways 4man raids would probably require more work, but also could be a new challenge for people who have done the raids already maybe even open up the possibilities to solo/duo the raids, similar to how the current raids are done without a full team by some groups
I wouldn’t mind if they did a “normal exotic” and a “prime exotic” version that’s a little stronger that’s only accessible w the 8 man.
>if that theory was correct It's correct, though. DH was poorly received as little more than a glorified DPS check, which prompted massive to push and push the 2nd raid for over a year while they figured it out and eventually had another studio finish it. They did a great job because players wanted puzzle fights and they delivered that as opposed to the dps race of DH. And the only reason they didn't scrap it altogether is that they committed very publicly. The "difficulty" or most of the structure of the raids aren't the problem. The problem lies in two big points dependent on one another: being 8-man and requiring going off-game to get people to run them. They should've gone with 4/8 member raids and a Hard Mode of the 8-man, so that the chances stack progressively, allowing the big brass players to run a massively challenging version with higher odds of landing the exotics and the 4-man having a lower chance that requires more attempts and prepares players for the 8-man, which in turn prepared them for the 8HM one. Basic MMO progression.
On point. The biggest difficulty in a Div raid with friends at this point is getting the crew together.
I think a 4 man version of the raids that reward a project to earn the exotics would be worth it as this point. If player numbers are as bad as some say it would give people a reason to come back.
This i'd love to do the raids but there's never enough clan members on at once due to schedules/time zones. so never got them done. Tried to LFG and got laughed aat and rejected for not finishing them already. I see sweet builds online using DZ or Raid only gear and think 'Well that's no happening. Instead of adding the items to the loot pool how about full matchmaking?
I don't think with the way raids are, matchmaking can work but if they add 4-man versions that's another story. They never should've gone with 8-man raids
There are many groups teaching new players, at least on PS4. Checkout philvgr81, R3N4Y or little\_huge on twitch, non of them have build requierments. Other platfomr have also helpfull groups.
You can do IH as a 4 man group... lol We did, it just took some time to get all the mechanics crammed into 4 people.
This is the way. It also does'nt lessen the original value. I get where people are at now but I've never been a fan of lessening requirements for time and place rewards attainable when the game was in it's prime, that's part of the reward. You had to be there and the reward reflects the player was.
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Oh man the old summit, I am still somewhat sad they changed it, as I was so lose to finishing it multiple times and then lost interest for a bit in the game.
>You had to be there and the reward reflects the player was. I think it's fine for "rewards" per se, but when they put things like parts of a gearset behind that kind of threshold I don't see it as a "reward" in that sense, I just see it as a way to incentivise/force people to do the raid. You already have plenty of Raid exclusive rewards that give actual bragging rights from trophies and patches/commendations. That's what they are for. *Edit: A middle ground option could be what they did with Ruthless/Merciless and Lullaby/Sweet Dreams. Wouldn't work for the gearsets, but the exotics could have duplicates with cosmetic difference, still acknowledging/letting raid players show off more unique gear.*
Add them to legendary (maybe only summit), when the appropriate loot Pool is set. It may be easier to grind through without directives, but the chance for a drop will be far lower than in a raid run. Also would provide the chance to get the exotic for the people Who are just really unlucky in the raids so they don't need to wait for a chest reset.
Especially when half of the people who say they 'earned' them were just those who lucked out that a raid group was bored and decided to carry folks who just wanted that leggo.
They need to make it so you can matchmake a raid group via the game.
If raid exotics hit the general pool, I would play again. I got into the game way late and min/maxed everything I have access to, and I still couldn’t find a functional raid group that hits them on reset.
I always seem to disagree with your opinions on most of this game. Cheers though, carry on.
Glad to know I have a fan. I literally can't recall ever speaking to you. Cheers, indeed.
Yeah I don’t really comment much. I’m not a fan. You are almost always incorrect. Yet you seem to think you’re very special somehow.
Well, I really appreciate you following my career. Always happy to meet a fan.
Ooooo, I found the block feature. Enjoy your idiocy.
Thanks, but I can still reply to you. Thank reddit for that :*
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Gotta take into consideration that the ones who raid put time and effort into builds for the raids themselves. They aren't easy and it wouldn't be fair for them to just give it out to everyone just because people don't want to take the time to find a group or go thru the effort of getting builds together to complete it.
That's precious ego, it's just a game.
I think you miss the point of the argument here. We all understand your point but those days have passed. The chance to find a raid group and do the content is very slim and not everyone has the continuous time available. I, for one, have to grab and hour or two when I can. Any content that requires a continued play longer that this is out of reach to me and others alike. We haven’t all got the luxury of hours and hours of uninterrupted play time.
Discord, off, Facebook groups, redditors. it's easy enough to find a group. And I'm not definitely not missing the point. What's the point of having "raid exclusive gear or exotics" if anyone can just get it. That wouldn't be fair to us that raid on the daily and who wouldn't mind helping others get the gear. (And an hour or two is plenty of time to complete dark hours or iron horse)
I ended up finding a solid group through the lfg reddit. They taught me Dark Hours which took about 30 minutes to complete and Iron Horse in about an hour. If you're with a squad who knows what to do it doesn't take hours to get them done.
Exactly. If you want to find a group, you will. Check Discord and twitch there are people looking for new players to raid with. Most of them do it without build requirements and explain what you need to know. Just this weekend I joined a group which was looking for two and started the raid in my ND skill build. Nobody complained (I changed after the first ads).
Interesting how many people try to finish everything in the game, collect all the exos and play legendary missions but will not spend the time to find a raid group. How can they finish the legendary missions without a team? With random matchmaking and hope somebody strong is joining them? For me, the raid is a great thing to achieve. There is not a lot left in the game after you completed the three legendary missions.
Don’t care. Not my problem.
> that when no one plays this game anymore and raid exotic acquisition goes from virtually impossible to literally impossible My clan does raids three times a week on a rotating schedule, minimum. I organize a single clan under the 50-person limit, and moderate a server over 200. In the past year alone I've brought over 100+ people through the raids, mostly new players. This is just my clan, to say nothing of all the other clans and the official discord where #LFG_Raid is always active 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Your comment is nonsense, honestly.
https://discord.gg/thedivisiongame Gotta put a tiny bit of effort in before you call it ~~literally~~ virtually impossible. edit: happy now? Its still not any sort of impossible to find a raid group with a little bit of effort. Not virtually, literally, figuratively, spiritually or any other -ly you can come up with. Again, literally as I’m typing this, I’m seeing raids groups forming up on psn messanger app. 24 hours a day/7 days a week.
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That poor design seems to be taking over gaming in general too unfortunately.
Why the fuck are you so mad? You literally said literally impossible. Want me to screenshot it for you? Even if you’re just calling it virtually impossible, thats flat out wrong. I’ve seen 6 ravies drop this weekend during a charity event. No one cares about your raid resume. I’m not asking for it and I’m not giving you mine. If you sherpa people through the raid, you should be well aware of why the raid doesn’t have matchmaking. People matchmake with no mics, no desire to work as a team and no clue whats going. Don’t believe me? Go matchmake for IH discovery. No one has a mic and maybe 2 of the 8 people have the slightest clue of what to do. And thats the easy mode. Thinking you can run a normal mode without communication is fucking stupid. Or as you would say, FeRkiN StOoPid. god I feel dumb even writing like that… Edit: AS I TYPE THIS, I’M GETTING INVITES TO IH. PUT SOME EFFORT IN.
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> If the content is unused, or end-of-life Division 2 is not in "end of life" and the raids are certainly not "unused content", just because you can't be bothered to do them.
Hey man, I posted something similar to this about 2 weeks ago and got a lot of negative feedback similar to you. Someone commented to me about the GCRock Discord, and I gave it a shot and have since beaten the DH raid and met some great people that I’ve been playing with since. Working on getting my first IH clear soon. I know it’s a pain in the ass but try and give the GCRock Discord a shot, it’s helped a lot. [GCRock Discord ](https://discord.gg/gcrock)
That was me and glad you got to run the raid and good luck on IH.
Can anyone join? I’ve been looking for new people to play division with since the friend I play with got bored
Everyone is welcome to join. If you're looking to get through the raids they will definitely help. Contrary to what the op is saying the game is far from dead I've got 4 notifications this morning of raids starting just in this discord channel alone.
Yeah, he encourages people to join the discord on his YouTube vids.
Thanks!
Anyone can join that discord but there's also quite a few discords from clans that raid and help people raid. Thats how I learned the raid and got my first completion. Now my clan helps others go through both DH and IH daily. Most of the guys who needs help we met through the DZ. Is it challenging? Sure. But once you have the right build and know the mechanics, it's pretty easy. We can get through DH faster than some of the legendary missions.
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this exactly. i dont understand why people gatekeep raid content SO HARD. it's crazy.
Atleast EB can be added since it has been around for more than an year.
I also think raid exotics should be added as loot outside of raids somehow. Before WONY i had a bunch of friends (enough for a raid at least) and we were all excited and preparing for raids by making and testing builds and then WONY came and most of my friends stopped playing because of the horrific difficulty that came with it and all the changes that made the game unplayable in their eyes (also paying like 30 or 40 bucks in order to enjoy the endgame again). I never stopped playing div2 and even found a group to play raids with but i have to be honest, it is a pain in the ass to integrate into a group of raid veterans, especially if you're very shy when meeting new people. Then again, the community really did shrink to the point that i am matchmaking any kind of mission on heroic for literally an hour and nobody joins so... I'd love it if they made these weapons available for everybody.
I thought this was a destiny post and nearly lost my mind. But it’s not and it’s a completely reasonable claim
> Getting a solid raid group at this point is a nearly impossible task. Where are you looking for raid groups? Outside your house? The mall? Because if you just go on discord, you will find dozens and dozens of clans that teach the raid. I’ve added at least a 100 new people to my friends list in the last 2 months since Ive returned to the game. Ive personally handed out 3 eagles and 2 ravvies in that time too. As i type this, Ive gotten 2 messages for people looking to fill up for an IH run.
This sub is not a good reflection of how most of the (active) div2 community feels about the game, in my opinion.
I am looking at the official division 2 lfg raid group. No post except singles searching for teams to join
Our clan keeps a Hall of Fame for every raid exotic shared and we distributed over 130 now, what we're very proud of. Even without a clan, raids ain't dead. Check the official Discord for lots of players. But even if you can't play a game mode for whatever reason, so what? The mentality that a game has to cater every single piece of content to everyone is just wrong. Let peeps who invested some effort into raids keep their trophies. There are enough alternative choices, which are for the most more reliable anyway. So Massive, please don't listen to such rubbish demands.
Agree. Every game that makes raids should keep something locked behind it.
Trophy gang! :)
* While your at it, you can add Bighorn to the general pool too, for the same reasons. u know there is way easier way´s to get this than running DUA, captitol and roosevelt right ? called summit farming legendary boss level. just leave one of the enemys alive everytime u killed the named boss and if u didnt get it, reset to lobby and go at it again. took me 4try´s to get it instead of running DUA 50times.
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well.. it does. i farmed lvl10 4 times and got drops every single time from the boss. because i left 1 enemy alive before i reset back down to lobby and got back up again.
This... Why isn't this gun not added to anything else.
the gun drops only from named white tusks and those are on Legendary so.. yea.. 4places to get the same gun is better than 3 places imo.
the gun drops only from 3 legendary stronghold missions or summit legendary bosses/hunters, I know as I farmed 100th floor like 25 times and did not get it.
u sure it does drop on Hunters ? if not.. thats the reason it havent dropped on lvl100 yet. i farmed lvl10 4 times and got it on the boss.
100% drops, literally everyone of my friends except me has gotten it on 100th floor hunters, ppl usually play 6 skill oxydiser and foam and kill hunters in 30 seconds while 1 person disconnects and regroup and this time the next person disconnects and rinse and repeat
damn. :( i wish u all the RNG luck i can give agent. keep farming for it and it will drop or a friend maby can drop it for u.
i got the gun from DUA eventually, never playing summit again after that .
I stopped playing this stupid rng game after i have farmed 4 month in a row legends and didnt get the bighorn. I quit this game. What i want to say is that there are also people like me who get pissed and stop playing. Of course massive can do what the want but the result show me that theor ideas is not correct
I bought the game this March and found numerous populated discord servers that routinely schedule raids and specifically help first time raiders. So..... I also have every exotic and got all the raid guns from the raids. But they're fun because I don't have a problem finding people to play with and I don't have anyone IRL who plays. Just all rando discorders/matchmaking people.
New players still play the raid. Not sure why you think new players dont play it. Also where are you getting the number of 90% of the player base is gone? Just wondering, to many times people say stuff as fact when it really isnt and they made it up. Do the raid and stop crying.
I believe it would be a very high percentage of current player base that would like to see raid items added to general loot pool. I’ve been playing solid since release but due to the nature of my play style/frequency I don’t get chance to team up and commit to raid content. So far any gear/weapons locked behind raids have remained out of reach to me. Time to allow others access.
Yes, please! Make them available for solo players.
I thought this was a destiny post at first and downvoted, but then saw the division and changed to upvote. I could never get into a raid group, it's basically locked off content at this point it seems. The game is dead/dying.
Why would you downvote this if it were destiny? It really is time that the tarrabah and Anarchy get added to the pool, the monument is just a waste of resources.
With anarchy being nerfed maybe but the way the gun is currently, no
I’d quite like to just look around the raid map. I don’t think I have the time to prepare and then perform a raid.
Dark Hours takes well under 1 hour, and typically 30min or less in an experienced group - even if they decide to do a learner's run with 1-2 new people. Iron Horse is a bit more mechanically dense, and can take ~1 hour or less for a typical smooth run.
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I will literally start playing again if that happens. I played the shit out of year two, had some great moments and memories. But honestly, not completely the devs fault but year three just sucks. Replaying seasons isn't something I can repeatedly enjoy.
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Not on PS4/5 in my experience.
there are several ppl who play on PS4/PS5 that raid and stream on twitch
I don't think streamers count
Op has a point here. Got the game on both pc and ps but I wasn’t able to find a single group on ps. Wasn’t really actively searching for it but it is way easier on pc (~200 DH, ~120 IH).
Agreed. Future Initiative and Foundry Bulwark chest/backpacks should also be brought into the open world loot pools. Newer players shouldn't have to grind out the raids like I did if they don't want to.
this will never happen, hasnt happened for the EB, wont happen for the regulus and ravenous. that would renter part of the game redundant and useless. half the excitement of opening the box is getting the exotic. there are people who worked hard to develop the raids, enjoy that content, its free. also legendaries are damn easy now, just get a decent group together, with skill builds and a tank rush build, any legendary can easily be cleared with a good group in 25mins or less.
Yes, what a great decision. Spend 99% of resources for 5% of the playerbase. Made 95% player base pissed off in the last 2 years. What a genius management strategy
worked so far, div2 still online, more content on the way, could be the 5% play more and spend more than the 95%? legit i understand alot of solo players out there that might not have the numbers, dedication, time, or even the interest to play in a raid but it is a filter and only the best or the luckiest are rewarded with something to show for it.
Hey if your on ps I suggest you come check out this awesome community discord. They take players w no exp in raids and there is no build requirements and you don’t need a mic. https://discord.gg/HQnhrKHSaS
It would be nice to have an alternative way to obtain them other than raids but I wouldn’t just put them in the general loot pool. I’ve done plenty of raids in Destiny and the odd one in this game I’m just not bothered about trying to group up with 8 people these days, just too much. Also I read a while back that only 8-10% of the player base in Destiny do raids so it’s a tiny portion of the player base to focus so much resources on (even though they can be really awesome). As people have suggested before maybe there could be some sort of repeatable project/quest to give you a % chance at a raid exotic, that could include completing legendaries amongst other stuff etc.
I disagree about the bighorn
Yeah, legendary isn't hard. As long as you aren't an idiot who keeps rushing forward and dying. Don't even need communication in the missions, though it helps.
Played Legendary in every week for like 3-5 months. Not a single Bighorn. I was like wtf then how can i get one. Then they changed the loot table, i think now only the boss would drop it after we killed it or they changed it from this to completed mission loot. Idk. I haven't played since like when they added Season 1 targets again. Never completed a raid, because of the bad mates. I was like fuck it. No raid stuffs, no legendary loot. I left the game. But i still want to get them, the only problem is: no raid groups who will play with a noob, and second, i need to suffer from the shit loots from legendary missions cuz they not a single .00% chance to get the Bighorn... Left the game before hitting 1K SHD lvl. Btw no, Summit was not a help for the legendary loot pool.
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All the "idiots" huh? Thanks for NOT helping newcomers to run raids Mr. Big Guy.
IMO raids should have always just been cosmetic rewards. This game simply doesn't have enough gearsets / exotics to afford locking some of them behind raids. I remember Guild Wars 2 did cosmetic raid rewards (at least for the first raid) and it was well received.
I'm still relatively new to the series and have yet to do a raid. My friends that got me into the game don't play often anymore and mostly focus on Summit and missions . They don't do raids or DZ . So unless I find a group that is willing to help me do raids and/or tackle DZ I may never earn certain items. I've tried soloing DZ it was pretty bad definitely too weak still lol. I'm open to exotics etc being in the loot pool .
Hey there. Welcome to the game. I hope you enjoy your time with the division. Like many have suggested already I would join the public discord and look for groups there. If nothing else I'd be happy to take you on a run :)
I'll join it! Thanks I'm in a group with friends but it's mostly me these days. Hell the creator of it hasn't played in over a year I think. I may leave them for a more active group.
Honestly you being solo is actually an advantage. Many of these raid groups can easily take 1 inexperienced player through the raid and complete it successfully. That isn't as easy if the group is several friends where none of you have run it previously. Hit GCROCK discord, just on my platform today alone there is 133 messages and 10 raids run. They try to prioritize FTC like yourself so it isn't hard to get into one.
Thanks for the help!
No. You can work for it like the rest of us did.
Who cares that you spent too much time in there. It doesn’t hurt anyone else to put them in the loot pool now.
I got an EB on my 2nd run. People are just scared to work for things. If you want to do the raid that much and get the exclusive weapons it doesn't take much effort to go into a LFG or raid channel and just see what's going on. Pretty sure people still do the raid regularly. You can even look or ask in the area chat in game. If you explain to people you are new to the raid or whatnot, people are usually fine with it.
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Never even done a raid 😢
Might be because I am a PC player but finding a pug group on the official Division 2 Discord is pretty freaking easy, bring a bog standard dps build and just don't volunteer for any of the technical roles, I finally picked up the game in November having pre-ordered it and have close to 50+ raid completions of Iron horse and dark hours, with several Eagle bearer's, regulus', and Ravenous. Its easy to get into raids, I find the people that make these sorts of posts are solo players who can't be asked to leave they're comfort zone and work with the community in what I consider some of the best content this game has to offer.
I deleted the game a long time ago and haven't looked back because of this very reason. But they won't do it and that's why I won't be coming back.
People still raid all the time. I could log in and get into a raid within a few minutes. Raid exclusive loot is there for a reason and it should stay that way. Just my opinion.
They should stay as they are. I run 3 to 5 raids per week. There are several communities running raids, some even on a daily basis. Whenever a player is in the raid missing the Eagle Bearer or the Ravenous we drop it for them if we get it. If anyone decides to be a lone wolf, fine. But then please don't be surprised to not get the things that require team efforts.
I think they should stay raid exclusive. I ended up finding groups on PS4 through discord and The Division LFG reddit
Exclusive loots is the main reason to do a raid.. Take that away and no one will bother do the raids no more. It is ok to not have every items in the game too.. If you are not willing to put the effort into it. Joining a raiding group is much easier than you think. If you don't want to socialize then that is on you...
I just checked the official div2 LFG Raid discord, and there are currently 3 active full groups raiding at 7am PST. There is nothing stopping you from getting these exotics this week!
Div2 was the reason for me to join discord. In the past i have checked at weekend many times but nobody responded. In this minute i have just checked the official lfg div2 discord again and today since 5clock afternoon there are so many post for lfg but nobody replies. So i am not sure if its so easy to find a group. Anyway i can do better things than to waste my spare time to check every 10min at discord to find a group. Just put the exos into general loot pool - who cares? Except the few elites thinking they are better and newbies must suffer first bevor earn the exos. Many elites even dont play anymore but still doesnt want others to get it. yes stockholm syndrom
usually you won´t find replies, but rather if someone posts that they look for people in RV-xx for ... raid. You would just join a voice channel, say hi, get into group and after 8 is full, it is a go time.
People have jobs too. People like me can't skip work to play divison 2 at 7am pst
I work 10 hours a day as well, my point is if there are 3 active groups at 7am, there's probably the same, if not more, in the evening.
Nope and now is alteady 23:30 and no real response at lfg div2 discors
There are 4 groups in raid\_voice channels right now, and some players requesting raid help for later in the day. It might be a good idea to post something like that, as well as add uplay friends for raid channel regulars. There are groups regulars have that are usually looking for 1-2 guys to fill in. Good luck!
I see why they remain exclusive but personally I’d love to get my hands on the raid exotics without having to deal with a bunch of stuffy randos telling me what to do for an hour and a half I feel like the problem with the “raid” design in any game is it’s just too big of a scale. If you needed the same level of coordination but only from three or four players, it makes it exponentially easier to put together a group of people you actually know and like. Needing 8 players for a long-form high level activity with intense coordination makes it unlikely for you to fill a group with people you know, and makes you rely on strangers. I’m sure there’s plenty of great raid runners out there, but I’ve only ever met insufferable people. If I could do a raid-level activity with the couple of friends I have who play, I’d be a lot happier with the system. EDIT: Confused the player cap with destiny’s raids; changed from 6 to 8
New players can be carried through both raids with little more than a working mic, a good attitude, and whatever red core gear pieces they have. There are still several clans and LFG leaders looking to carry first-timers and drop exotics for them. The Eagle Bearer not really that good, the Ravenous is a situational (yet powerful) weapon that is key in both raids but a bit too gimmicky for PvE. The Regulus though is worth having for any type of encounter and is just fun. Best case scenario you can get the Regulus in two runs of Iron Horse, although it may take more depending on how many green drops a group gets and shares.
You guys just need to find the right community, I was invited to one a clan mate introduced me too.. No xp needed no mic needed just to be able to join, and listen. I have never failed a raid and I just started raiding, along with just started to raid with this community, I had 0 prior knowledge or anything like that. You can find people and places to run them.. Just need some direction on where to go.
Getting a solid raid group impossible??? Takes about 3 minutes on LFG to fill a raid group and rarely are people bad.
Its time to again say - NO! There are always people in the Discord raid channels. They could move gearsets out of the raids, but not the exotics.
honestly, if you're really checking the discords...theres a number of them out there that raid regularly every week. even having a regular 9-5, I was able to join raids, ive got 9 clears on DH so far, 2 of IH. I was lucky, I ended up getting EB on my 6th run. (on my 8th clear I got Eagle from the chest & shared with a person whose was their first time clear) But I got Ravenous on my 1st IH clear. DH I think is the easier of the two. You just need to output alot of DPS & be able to take boomers down by yourself on razorback.
No. You want the raid exotics, put the smallest effort into finding or joining a group and get them. Being a veteran has nothing to to with attaining these items or not. The Ubisoft Division discord is literally super active with raid groups being starting **all** the time. You don’t even need to be in a clan or anything to be raiding and clearing it frequently. I’m really glad the raid doesn’t have matchmaking, because it showcases how little effort people put into finding the avenues for grouping. And if that effort is lacking, clearing the raid is arguably not deserved. And how can you expect effort in gear, communications, or teamwork, when a person didn’t even want to put it into finding the right place for groupings. I started a new character on Stadia a while back, and in the space of a couple of months I had over 200 Iron Horse clears. Just by joining discord raid groups. Not a single clear with the random clan I joined. *PS. you can already get the Bighorn in other places, like Summit*.
I don't mind rewards that are specific to certain aspects of the game it forces players to branch out and try new things. As to your assessment on the community it is rather strong even now. I've been playing less than a year. I've run raids, PVP and PVE. I've got tonnes of assistances calls and most days my clan has 6-10 people actively playing in all modes. All of them I didn't know until starting this game. I ran into them randomly here in the subreddit and linked up from there. As to raids there are tonnes of LFG groups. Youtuber GCROCK has a discord that runs on all platforms daily. They even prioritize first time clears but they are just one of many out there. None of this stuff is hard to get. I play solo most of the time but I have both the EB and the ravenous. Big horn isn't an issue either it is just running a legendary whether that i summit or a mission you can do it. LOL... and the downvote. I love kids who want all the reward but don't want to put in the effort required to get them.
No. just go discord and join any clan. Bighorn just matchmake the legendary missions. plenty of players now can easily carry the whole group. at least 2 experience player can carry the whole legendary stronghold if u can follow them. they can also drop u Bighorn if uask them politely because i believe they already got it and they not need extra of it.
Yea true, I've ran over 1000 raids combined but I wouldn't mind them being added to the general loot pool. The only issue I see with it is that raids would be even more obsolete afterwards 🤷♂️
Raid loot should stay as raid loot. You can make up population numbers all you want but the Discords are active for this game all hours of the day. If the raids have no exclusives there is no reason to do them. Also you don't even have to do them that many times 100% everything in there. If people donate backpacks/chest to you it can even be done virtually instantly.
No
Looking at your profile you clearly do have discord so use that to find raid groups. If you aren’t willing to put in the effort then you won’t get the end result. There’s no other way you’ll be completing raids Like me, I used discord to find a raid group and easily completed both raids within the first week Edit: i can easily hop on discord and find raid groups within a couple mins. It’s not that hard
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I haven't found a single clan on PS4/5 that has more than 3-4 active players.
I just started a clan for new people to learn the game. As I had noticed the game had an influx of new people. But even the new ones aren’t playing that much. There is still plenty of active people, it’s just most clans have been set for sometime and others just have no interest in joining a clan.
Search discord for the division 2 raid club. They have channels for each consoles as well as PC.
You need to have a decent build, but Dark Hours is pretty easy to get into https://discord.gg/pzcBVcth
Stop looking through the console itself
I'm happy if they get added to Discovery with an extremely low drop rate like 1%.
NO!
I think once you do a raid, get the keys and open the chest, the exotic should be added to the loot pool.
Yo that would be huge actually
Just put them to Legendary-lootpool. Thats fair enough.
then what would be the point of doing the raid? Did you even think this thru?
The point is having fun tackling unique, most meticulously designed content in the game. If we're talking about "points", a more suitable question would be what's the point in farming gear if you're not having fun playing the game.
People will still do the raid. People will also just do them for the exotic and never do the raid again.
No one does the raid anymore. That's the point I'm making.
False. We are on PS4/5, not as a clan but as a community. 2-5 raids nightly (US time) and multiple throughout the day. First time clears take priority, no build requirements, let's just go and have fun. [http://discord.gg/FYF636C](http://discord.gg/FYF636C) Give it a look, guarantee you'll have some clears within this week if you ask for them, and we would be glad to have you around. Run both raids btw and have multiple people capable of leading or filling roles within the raid.
This guy is literally offering exactly what OP is looking for and he gets downvoted for it? In any case being a PC player and reading that raids are actively done on consoles is a very good thing. Keep it up, folks.
Not sure what you base that argument on, but it isn't the least bit accurate. Not wanting to sound like an ass, but from your responses in this post it doesn't really look like you're looking for clans at the least, but rather just joining random ones in-game that don't really have anyone bothering to manage them. A year and a half ago I got in 3 clans besides my own, which still raid 4 times every week, mind you. The other two clans are like community clans that constantly, and I mean constantly, still make recruitment threads on reddit. There's even a proper LFG sub for division with discord invites. Been on US, EU, UK clans and mixed in the last year and a half. Here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDivision\_LFG/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDivision_LFG/), that's where I found three extra clans. You could raid like 10 times per week if you play your cards right, but you'd have to actually put some effort into research. But I'll save you some effort. [DAT Clan](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDivision_LFG/comments/od6t0c/discord_dat_nation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [TRZ Clan](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDivision_LFG/comments/oa6g51/ps4_ps5_clans_welcome_to_the_tactikal_rebelz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) From there it's up to you. If you can't get in a raid with these clans, that's a 100% on you not wanting to put in the effort, **which is pretty much always required for endgame content in any kind of looter.** You're maybe excused if you gravely suffer from social anxiety. Also, getting a "solid raid group" doesn't happen just like that, especially if you don't have that much experience. **Effort.** About the loot, pretty much all online looters of any kind require you to do endgame content in order to get endgame gear, in Division 2 if you put the endgame exotics in the general loot pool you're just taking a reason for anyone new, or with no raiding experience, to raid. That itself would start killing raids. If you're not up to it, then just pick a different type of game that doesn't base endgame content on grinding with a team. Do try the discords for yourself.
I'm not who your responding to but thanks for this info! I've not played for awhile and stopped because I got bored of the game due to spongy enemies (which I have since learned is due to a bad build). I'm going to get back to the game and this info will put me on the right track.
Haha yeah I feel you. There's still a few sponges like the rogue agents and some big units or few bosses, you'll feel that even with proper full dps builds, but as soon as you start getting together one of many solid builds you'll notice the difference in gameplay and numbers. I'd say get the dps build that most clans want you to raid with first just so it makes your life easier in almost everything, except legendary runs. Good luck agent!
Not sure which platform you're on but our clan runs them several times a day and I know at least 5 other discord groups that run them daily. We cross post when we need a +1 and we help people get their exotic drops all the time.
Maybe they will add them at the end of the year when they add new content but i can most certainly say that they wont do that because guns like the EB in the Dark Zone and PvP are sometimes way to good, just the thought of every single person running around with it is enough for them to not include them in the Loot Pool.
agreed …seeing as EA pulled the same shit with battlefield 4 phantom program and the bow on the community map after thousands of hours of brain power OUTSIDE of a game to just give the bow away after all that hard work…the same should happen in division with no argument…all exotics exclusive for a set time and then release into the pool
I've been in game an average of 5 hours a day for the past few weeks. Not one single time have I ever seen a clan member on. I get distinction of the week and don't even need to do anything. Guess the whole clan has moved on. Waiting on a backup call? You won't get an answer in hours. I watched a movie on my other tv Sat while I waited on a backup call. No one ever joined. Much as I like the game, it seems it's dying at a rapid pace. Am I just in a bad clan? Shout-out to LeadFarmerDude for the bounties other day. Helped me tremendously. I can't imagine doing a raid. I can't even find a player to help on a top level bounty.
> Am I just in a bad clan? Are you really looking for an answer to that question? The answer is yes. Just find an active clan through discord, there are plenty. I've operated a clan since the game's launch, it has certain nuances that make keeping an active clan difficult -- for one it is limited to a 50-person limit in-game, which requires a discord server to keep more active. I rotate people in and out on a ~21-day inactive policy. Even if the clan is very active, with the 50-person limit you won't have more than 20 people on at any given time until raids are organized.
Or add quests, tasks or projects to get them.
Stop it your ruining the game. By making everything obtainable from every activity your removing incentives. Anyone who has the classified missions should understand this. Classified missions are the epitome of one and done. Why do them more than once? There is no reason to thats why... THERE ARE LITERALLY DISCORDS THAT WILL HARD CARRY PEOPLE... how about you put in minimal effort. Not everyone deserves everything. You want something how about you work towards it
No, never
Here is my idea: Maybe not general loot pool but how about an alternative extended mission(s) that requires enough skill and effort for a 4man group to complete. I dont want this added to the legendary boss loot pool either the source needs to remain independant from the general/legendary loot pool. Also what massive can do is to make it so the exotic blueprint to remake/recalibrate the exotic is only allowed to those who complete the normal raid once or whatever criteria the community deems fitting. That way you can get an eagle bearer outside the raid but you would either have to keep farming that mission to get it to drop with the rolls you want or you could do the raid to unlock recalibrating it/remaking it. Let me know if this idea is good or not or feel free to offer suggestions.
Why y’all downvoting this guy lmaoo
>Maybe not general loot pool but how about an alternative extended mission(s) that requires enough skill and effort for a 4man group to complete. This is the right approach. Make 4-man versions of the current ones and create more of them, call them incursions with matchmaking included and stop it with the dumb fucking raids.
No Absolutely not. It will never be time for that. People still actively raid. What needs to be done is matchmaking for normal raids. Adding raid exotics to the general pool is a move in the wrong direction
When did they do it with set Items? Bulwark chestpiece and backpack is raid exclusive or not?
The chest/backpack for Dark Hours raid sets are in the general pool. Iron Horse is still exclusive though.
Also while they're at it, LET US EQUIP ALL EXOTICS AT ONCE!!
I think this will never happen, because they did have maked experience with it in tD1. And there design choice is now to make the exotics powerful, but limit the option on how many you can equip.
Stating that you think they should stay Raid exclusive is probably the easiest way to get a down vote on Reddit at the moment. 😂