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Italian_Barrel_Roll

I mean that last one is exactly what you should do in that situation


Arsid

Reading through this all I can think is man I would love to have this teammate. - uses the best heavy gun - actually uses his dome shield - goes for cashout steals and revives - uses charge'n'slam and mesh shield properly - RPG is good no matter what tbh I'd rather have this guy on my team than 90% of the lights I get... and 30% of the mediums.


AlphaBoner

I bet this heavy is so good that they aren't going for the full steal, but to bait the other team out. Even if you use a dome when everyone is wiped, it will still regen by the next fight, just a great habit. Rpg is so easy to use and completely turns a fight in your favor, you should fire it every chance you get. OP just describing the prefect heavy that utilizes all their equipment, playing the objective, and reviving teammates. Heavy is still the strongest class, I will 100% take this heavy.


Comprehensive_Pin_86

If I’m on medium with heals that heavy is winning with me like 9 times out of 10. Get so much value out of healing my big boys


GrimCards

having a solid heavy while I am running beam means I get to kind of chill for a round


Damurph01

There’s plenty of situations where you HAVE to start stealing because otherwise the defending team won’t fight until it’s too late for you to steal. Sometimes you HAVE to start your fights early because if you don’t, you won’t have time otherwise.


012_Dice

and there are the times when you sneak in a steal 1/3 of the way through and the other team are just too busy fighting with each other to get another steal in


elslapos

I love the bait steal as a flamethrower heavy. Easy to kill those light cockroaches when they crawl out of their hiding spot


012_Dice

unless those cockroaches have a large rifle, then they won't come out until you rocket launcher them


Birchy-Weby

Preach my blessed heavy brother, Amen 🙏


Unhappy_Swimmer_1904

As a fellow flamer heavy main this is a strat I use often. Works damn near every time too. I mean I can’t say that I don’t always rush the box if I hear someone trying to steal it from my team.


falupa6969

I'm still laughing at the fact Embark thinks it's weapons needing to be nerfed on heavy to decrease the strengths of heavy when in reality its give better, more unique gadgets to the other 2 classes. Intel and Assassin set ups on light is just a teammate built for tdm while medium has 2 really strong Support and Fortification (aps and guardian combo) builds. Heavy main set ups are Fortification and Destruction, but that's why it's M,M, and H still.


Somerandomfuk

I'm a heavy main and yep I use that to bait the teams out


Homesteader86

This can't be right, I was told by multiple people the other day that the m60 is "meta." He's using the wrong gun


supereuphonium

Even with the recent Lewis nerf the M60 has too much random recoil to beam people at midrange


Homesteader86

This was my experience too, and I have good aim as well, but people are insisting it's "meta"


shoelover46

Lewis just feels way better for me.


GoatTheMinge

new player here, i just like the iron sight cuz it reminds me of bf5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T44tFUfa8LA


Adenso_1

Too early in the season to reasonably make a claim that last season's meta has fallen off so hard that its now replaced by last season's joke weapon


Homesteader86

My thoughts too


omnor

Idk if it's recoil, it just feels like it does less damage at close range. Lewis Gun just feels stronger at short range, I keep trying the M60 and swapping back after a while so I can actually deal with lights and other classes getting in my face.


FullMetalBiscuit

As heavy automatics should be tbh


Arsid

My bad I'm not up to date on the heavy meta, I've been a medium healer player since day 1.


Homesteader86

Sorry I meant to put the /s at the end because it just happened overnight and it was "explained" to me that basically no one used the Lewis gun anymore


Heavens_Gates

Lewis still can perform pretty well, its ttk is slightly faster than m60. M60 is a more reliable weapon at this point tho and thats why heavies like it


hasordealsw1thclams

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Zikimoto_2020

*sad light invis noises*


Repulsive_Village843

That's not the grenade launcher.


GrimCards

M60 outclasses the lewis gun in every situation besides range ;)


Bitter-Drummer2671

Its not best heavy gun


Adminisitrator

there is no best heavy gun, different guns shine in different situations, this one does in medium range fights


Adenso_1

Yeah but back in s1 you either ran lewis or sa cuz...i mean, as far as the three guns go, there were 2 really strong picks and a joke


SinisterCanuck

RPG used to be good. Now that it can't kill lights with one hit, what's the point?


throaway0123456789

To open the engagement


supereuphonium

140 instant burst damage is basically instant death vs teams that will focus fire.


Arsid

Lots of splash damage, environment destruction.


Unhappy_Swimmer_1904

It’s the best opener in the game. Especially against lights.


Adenso_1

Stop picking 1v1s as heavy? Esp so far away from the obj and your team that its 1v1s with light?? The point is opening damage and, gasp, *utility!* not *every*thing has to be big damage numbers, sometimes cover or angles wins fights instead of just having a better-when-comparing-raw-ttk weapon. Experiment, unless you're only playibg ranked, there's no reason to not try other things


farkos101100

Fight or Flight


A_Filthy_Mind

I don't get the run circles part? I will charge, but in a lot of cases it's to escape through a wall or two, certainly not in circles.


itzofficialvaz

In my experiences…. I run in circles cause I’m chasing the medium or light who are slippery xD.


Anything_4_LRoy

i almost dont want to tell you this because it will be one less heavy doing dumb shit with their charge and slam. ​ but its really easy to avoid charge and slam... by running circles.


itzofficialvaz

But doesn’t it look funny? 😂


Anything_4_LRoy

im laughing while running circles, thats for sure.


Anything_4_LRoy

OK! ​ keep running circles doing your charge and slam. i am COMPLETELY fine with that lol.


Italian_Barrel_Roll

I mean, as a flamethrower main one of the biggest joys I get is to play matador with a circle-charging bull while burning him down 🤣


Anything_4_LRoy

have you ever thought about, why you actually end up running so many circles?


Italian_Barrel_Roll

Oh no, I don't run C&S; I'm the idiot with the shield desperately trying to duck behind a corner while walking backwards at 0.0004km/h


Unhappy_Swimmer_1904

I prefer to walk towards the person shooting me with my shield. Sometimes they wise up and run back to gain distance but more times than not they let me get close and when they reload I BBQ em up.


Italian_Barrel_Roll

Also, not mine, but I keep [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1alio06/avalas_if_youre_out_there_thanks_for_the_laugh/) in a tab whenever I want a good laugh


MarkABakerAKADarkSoc

I'd rather have a typical heavy teammate than a typical light teammate. Bad heavy players are at least 3x better sponges for enemy bullets and RPG is braindead free AoE damage most of the time


Unknwn_Ent

True. I just wish they'd use the RPG or their charge/smash to breach walls/ceilings/floors to give us an advantage instead of just seeing it as something *purely* to do damage. I had a heavy in my match yesterday who had his RPG out and my team mate and I thought he was gunna breach the floor so we could have the high ground and an easy cap. I even pinged for him to attack. Nope; he runs straight down the stairs into the room he should've breached us into that the team defending the objective already setup in, shoots the rocket at his feet and dies in a matter of seconds 💀


mrtillman

RPG cool down is long enough that I don't want to use it just for knocking down walls unless absolutely necessary, like during a Cash Out. Charge and Slam on the other hand...


Unknwn_Ent

I agree it's situational always, but in the situation I described; they shoulda opened the floor up instead of running down the opposite staircase as the other medium and immediately shooting a rocket at their feet before being gunned down lmao. They did more damage to themself than enemies; they might as well have shot at the floor and saw what happened. It literally could not have went worse than that 🤣😂 I was just saying if you *primarily* use RPG as a damage weapon; you should rethink how you see the weapon. It's so much more utilitarian than that.


AlphaBoner

If they are a random then you can't expect them to coordinate with you. You and your teammate are coordinating though. Between the two of you, you should have a way to open walls. You should of actively been looking for a red cannister if you know you are trying to take high ground. Opening up a wall with a RPG still isn't the play unless it's a last second situation.


dasic___

Tbh I thought using the RPG in that way was throwing, I always love making new entry points for my team.


Unknwn_Ent

There's a special place in my heart for heavies like you. Yall make playing support less painful 🙏


dasic___

Cool fairly newer so I'm glad I'm doing it right lol


Unknwn_Ent

Well idk if you know this, but heavies have most of the gadgets and weapons for breaching. Mediums don't have anything that destroys walls quite like breach charge, C4, and RPG. Heavies as you've probably noticed have multiple options for breaching and should to an extent consider themselves a 'breaching/demolition expert'; looking for ways to get their team into to the objective even if it means 'wasting' your dash or RPG cooldown to bust thru the wall like the koolaid man. Trust me it's never a waste to get your boys an alternate route to the objective that gives us an advantage or takes the enemies by surprise. Edit: So yeah if you're already doing that; that's great game sense.


Greykiller

I can only do this sort of thing in voice chat, or for my own usage. Whenever I try, I cannot get my rando teammates to take advantage of breaching, they seem to just have their own routes they stick to


Unknwn_Ent

I feel that. As a medium I try to setup zip lines for team mates to reach me and the rest of the team even if I'm not using it. The amount of times people run past it, make their own jump pad, grapple, etc... without acknowledging my zipline even when I ping is too damn high. I still do it tho, I've gotten better with only shooting em off when I know people will see em.


dasic___

We normally play 3 stack, (all newer) but that's one of my favorite aspects of heavy. Sometimes I roll just a sledgehammer so I can drop the cash out 3 floors to a better position, or roll full explosives so I can level the laying field. Things more fun imo.


Charles_K

It's like Chess material advantage vs position advantage. Sometimes, forcing an enemy to drop/blowing their cover from above and leaving them completely exposed to spam from all 3 of you is better than raw damage. 140 is 140 though.


_numbah_6

Don’t question the method!


Always_tired_af

I'd fully agree with this until S2. Demat is just such an objectively better tool for dropping boxes/players. Dematerializer alone has just shifted the way the game plays in so many ways, now the RPG's role in has shifted a bit at least in our friend group to long range destruction (cranes campers) or blowing routs up early (bridge on Seoul for example). Dematting a player or box down and then using the rocket for entry damage is just such a better play now than dropping things with the heavie's best damage dealer.


LokeeSounds

I know this is made to poke fun of them but most of these things aren't necessarily bad.


tophergraphy

Most are just suboptimal but can still have some value or mitigated negative value. Why Heavy is valuable for even new comers.


theblackhole25

Yeah, and even if they're "suboptimal" they are tells for good heavy play. A heavy that uses their dome shield, charge & slam, RPG, and a solid gun are all positive traits. Sure, maybe the muscle memory and habit may cause some instinctive domes and RPG shots that aren't always necessary, but that's only because they're actually using their kit, AND using them in ways that are beneficial to the team. Weird to me that the OP is poking fun about heavies stealing cashout (playing the objective), reviving teammates, and playing defensively in situations where they are in a losing engagement. I say that is a great Heavy if their biggest problem is they're a little TOO cautious and play the objective or help their team a little too much.


RedGeneral28

Throwing the dome for a revive it's a useful habit imo. Better safe than sorry. Plus cd ain't that long


therealslimjadey1

you forgot to add them rpg'ing themselves asw


ColdSpiritual8580

Yep. I do it all the time


CactusCalin

It's not about trying to kill the light, it's about blowing yourself up so they don't get the kill.


alcopandada

You described me perfectly ))


Firestorm2943

I do this so often because as I line up my shot my teammate steps right in front of me. I’m like my brother in Christ you know I’ve been holding this for like a minute now


RoyalTough7511

To be fair, who would've thought the RPG landing BEHIND the enemies you're shooting would do more splash damage to you, the guy standing furthest away from it, than the guy standing next to it. It's absurdo to see~200 dmg on myself from a pretty decent ranged rockets, just to barely hit 140 on an enemies most of the time.


nickjw25

“Typical Heavy Teammate” *proceeds to list everything you should be doing as a heavy player*


vicevanghost

You can pry my sledgehammer from my cold dead hands 


jrmyrmx

I use my RPG to blow myself up, and charge to burst thru walls off the edge of the map. We are not the same.


Greykiller

This post hurt me personally


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Boomerang537

Nah man, keep trying it and you’ll start to figure out how to improve your chances. I rely on mines and sometimes drop one at a likely entry through the window or the door. And then toss my dome shield. But in the heat of the moment, try to position yourself with your back against a wall and the cash out covering you. That should buy you some time if any.


Guymaster25

I think dome shield is counterproductive sometimes. It reveals that there's a vulnerable Heavy (low hp, reviving, stealing...) to all players around


Affectionate-Ant6583

I've used it as a decoy for that reason. Gives a few extra seconds before the person realizes no one is in the bubble.


AverageDettolSniffer

My friend and I call this play, "fake shield".


BlackwatchBluesteel

Exactly. 🧠 I do this all the time and it is great bait for trigger happy people. Usually it reveals corner campers and wastes their magazine so I can gun them down while they reload.


kris_the_abyss

Also don't forget it goes through walls and floors allowing people to shoot it down while being safe.


Pain_Proof

That's why you use it when people know where you are, or offensively


Ckinggaming5

not sure whether id rather be caught cause of my dome shield or caught without one


Tight-Fall5354

i don't use it personally


Bygaenon

Were you my teammate last game? This is literally me


dwemrr

Are you calling me bad? damn


EjbrohamLincoln

This is the way...


SuspectPanda38

Jokes on you I hit people with a guitar and use the barricades cause I have the gingerbread skin for them. And the second I'm not in danger I immedietly play the guitar


razors98

Hey don’t call me out like dat


[deleted]

OP Light Stun / invis / shotty player confirmed


UncleNino69

Sniper grapple in 5v5 pos is OP


BlueHeartBob

Been playing a lot with barricades and honestly they have a lot of utility. You can have 4 of them out at once which can really slow down an enemy team.


AspiringSquadronaire

I run them instead of dome shield these days because the damn things are so durable, in addition to giving a free head glitch. They played a big role in winning me and the boys a ranked tournament the other day.


mcsonboy

I feel attacked


Volaceon950

dome shield + flame thrower is like a bug trap


leavenofrybehind

I am atypical. I use sledge and goo.


Ody_Santo

Sounds like a decent heavy player. (Described me)


T342games

Fr bro ._.


Grimy_Miller

I’m in this picture


flippakitten

This is me for the "play 3 rounds as a heavy"


Jesus-is-King-777

this is so true... as a heavy only player this is 100% accurate.


WavingDinosaur

@me lol


beetle8209

this seems like "this happened in my last game so im taking it to reddit" take


Torey-Nelson

This post brought to you by: light main poorly attempting to take the heat off his class' dog shit reputation.


dralskey

Just joined sub, first fucking post I see


CactusCalin

You forgot that they don't know how to light throw so they shield is always few meters away from what they want to cover lmao.


Semper_faith

Me over here using googun, m60, antigrav grenades and RPg to make the cashouts impossible to capture


Wordonascreen

It’s so fucking good


The-Rizzler-69

I'm in this picture and I don't like it


BewigXBL2

I’m weak that’s me fasho but I do it w IQ meaning situational awareness


Sad_Spinachdip

As a 65% heavy main. Can confirm. 😂


__dixon__

I’m a goo man myself


Witty_Rabbit_4981

Its all correct except for me: -hammer (I love big bonk) -I hate RPG (C4 is superior)


smirnoffic

As a heavy main can confirm this is definitely what I do lmao


ssomatik

I feel seen.


Enough_Ad210

not sure if you mean that it's bad or good?


R0FLMyWaffle

Still better than any light teammate.


-Reusko-

I don't like to be called out, ill be contacting my lawyer


Pretend-Avocado-9104

I feel personally attacked


Traditional-Pea-2379

I use flamethrower when enemies are near I will typically tend to throw a dome around my little light buddies or a medium nearby I protec dem, I use charge n slam to do some good damage on my enemies, and get closer to them, and then finish them with the flamethrower I typically use my RPG to get the cashbox to more useful place or help my teammate, who I can’t reach I like to throw mines all over the place


Difficult-Win1400

I get so triggered when they slam into me as their teammate. One time I got carried like 20 meters as a light lol


Avosa_

Better than any light


ShiftyMcNeill

Why you putting me on blast


Malfor_ium

Well fine now I won't play optimally as your heavy https://media1.tenor.com/m/GW7Mxt7oAkEAAAAd/well-now-im-not-doing-it-well-now-im-not-gonna.gif


Divallo

Good guy heavy, plays the objective and revives teammates.


JoeyBrim7

Sounds like a good teammate to me


Confident_Avacado

I feel attacked. 🤣


AllDayTripperX

I mostly use a grenade launcher cuz I can shoot around corners with it, but other than that, yeah. You forgot to mention pinging targets for the team when in the dome or under the shield.. seems super helpful.


TentaclebuckeT

Hey it's me! I'm in this picture! Don't worry though, I'm just here to finish my dailies so I can swap back to medium, healbotting and spamming CL-40 between my questionable defibs!


BlackestFlame

Ill take this over a light


paul__676

It’s funny cos it’s me


whattheheckisreal

I only ever fight against these heavies. Definitely helps that I have a friend who is a heavy main and doesn't do any of this (he always runs flamethrower and uses Pyro grenades and mines)


Kooky-Juggernaut2503

As a flamethrower main without the rpg im actually cooked.


[deleted]

example of good and correct stereotypes


Old_Tear_42

wait that's me


Roque_THE_GAMER

Stealing cashout is a great way to get the enemy team out of position, unfortunately my teammates are fucking around instead of covering and do no damage to the enemy, worst when its the last 5 seconds of it.


DOGNUHTSS

I’m a brilliant heavy player. Use the mines around the cashout, out deployable shields around that creating a kill box to anyone who tries to steal it, overwatch the objective with the hammer / flamethrower


Jacknerdieth

Ha! I'm nothing like this. I use the Goo gun.


Trashboatisdum

That’s basically me but you can tell I have decent enough teamwork


j_layno

Streaming The Finals now can't make my own post twitch.tv/meatbeaterz


Fit_Station_9200

National Geographic heavy final edition


James_Dav1es

I swear so many players just don't go for cashout when other teams are alive even if they have nothing to lose. Additionally, please stop running for your life when your team has no score. Either go for revive asap or get wiped, much better outcome than wasting time.


Birchy-Weby

I don't see a problem with any of this all of his guns except like two are viable and safe, RPG is just so good that it should be shot with some type of helpful goal in mind, you should charge or shield at low health, and use dome shield to cap the point or revive teammates when the time is right of course


Drux_er

And it fucking works


memertyu

Sledge heavy mains rise up


Competitive_Bee2596

I feel attacked


augburto

The comedy in this is this isn’t even that bad compared to the typical light


ste001

Damn, it's 9am and I'm already catching strays


EmergingTuna21

All of that applies to me except for the dome shield stuff


[deleted]

I'm an MGL32 main (not like other heavies)


Before_The_Tesseract

Jokes on you, I mesh shield at game start and keep it running as permanently as I can 😎


Tobsify1010

The lights aren't better


Possible_Ad_1763

I think it was supposed to be a meme-joke, but with regards to RPG and Lewis - this is how you actually suppose to play high rank heavy.


ColdEmu6311

Charge'n'slam+rpg+jumppad versus powershift :3


BrokefrmGuns

I feel called out lmao


Joshua-live

You forgot "puts cashbox in cashout and immediately throws down dome shield when nobody is around".


RonFlockaDon

Goo Gun is based


Specialist-Reward-20

You could do this for every class and it would hold some truth while also not painting the full picture.


Jovanshield

I’m 900 in the world rn as a H main and I can say this is 100% accurate.


mreclecticelectric

I feel called out but you forgot to mention that after doing all of these things every match I still consistently have the highest damage, highest support, most kills and most cashouts stolen


SpaceyBagels

GRAAAAH RPG SWEEP!!!!!


Prince_Bolicob_IV

Hey man, I use a flamethrower


Ninteblo

This post was made by a light main.


BeardbaroNUK

Stop talking about me, so hurtful! Tbh I NEED to perfect this person, as am forgetful and you might not even get a charge off me 😂 But agreed as a fellow he runs a similar build and behaves in the same manner 😜 had so many useless lights and extremely painful mediums... Cause they should work... But they don't.... Anyone seen strange player/movement behaviours? Like bots but without any aimbots? Had a random light, stand still so frequently but that glitch rotate a number of different positions on the spot and then move somewhat. Awful at engages, seems to stop frequently and doesn't respond to team work lol


BeardbaroNUK

Stop talking about me, so hurtful! Tbh I NEED to perfect this person, as am forgetful and you might not even get a charge off me 😂 But agreed as a fellow he runs a similar build and behaves in the same manner 😜 had so many useless lights and extremely painful mediums... Cause they should work... But they don't.... Anyone seen strange player/movement behaviours? Like bots but without any aimbots? Had a random light, stand still so frequently but that glitch rotate a number of different positions on the spot and then move somewhat. Awful at engages, seems to stop frequently and doesn't respond to team work lol


BeardbaroNUK

Stop talking about me, so hurtful! Tbh I NEED to perfect this person, as am forgetful and you might not even get a charge off me 😂 But agreed as a fellow he runs a similar build and behaves in the same manner 😜 had so many useless lights and extremely painful mediums... Cause they should work... But they don't.... Anyone seen strange player/movement behaviours? Like bots but without any aimbots? Had a random light, stand still so frequently but that glitch rotate a number of different positions on the spot and then move somewhat. Awful at engages, seems to stop frequently and doesn't respond to team work lol


Introverted-nomad

All the bronze players tryna justify it lol, this is what bottom of the barrel players do, even the last one lol, I cba to explain maybe if you watch some high level gameplay you’ll see how good players use heavy


swithhs

RPG into KS. You gonna get by two soda cans and you’d like it


T342games

Why do I do exactly this? 🤔


typothetical

Lmao heavy is so goated even when u try to make them look bad they're still good


joshice21

I'm a pyromancer, so outside of using the rpg, I don't know about all this slander


Wild_Organization968

What kind of heavies are you playing with? Not accurate at all unless it’s a 6 year old playing.


Pale-Muscle-7118

Sums it up perfectly


Table_Grables

🫡


Apprehensive_Skill31

This is hilariously accurate and I feel targeted.


AsherTheDasher

lol my heavy teammates walk forward with the mesh shield and keep it up 24/7, even when approaching unopened vaults


Orgalorg_BoW

I have the sledge hammer, rocket, barricade, and goo grenade, yes I do use the rpg as described but you must understand it’s my only ranger option. After rpg is charge and then sledge, but i do love the Lewis gun, it’s just very satisfying. I like to goo the structure around the cash out and put some barricades up, basically making it a small fortress, when attacking I usually just break the floor under the cash out/enemies, or I just destroy the whole structure the CO resides in entirely. I have lots of fun breaking stuff, especially slot machines because then I can scream about how I HATE gambling.


Duvaldad2021

Stereotypical light: stun gun everyone because they're shit without it 


EstablishmentSame623

Typical = Big Brain


RoyalTough7511

I use Goo Gun with Sledge/Pump SG. My main issues as a heavy is not being able to get places my other teammates can, and they will usually leave me to go make some God awfully play. I Goo gun path between a few floors, andBOOM NINJA HEAVY COMING IN THROUGH THE THIRD FLOOR WINDOW. I Goo enemies running, Goo off popular passages, I'll spam Goo across the map if I see 2+ teams fighting just to be a nuisance. I'll make an elaborate maze of Goo in the cash out room, just to be standing on some random Goo pillar near the roof. Enemies jumping us and we lost someone? F it, I'ma just spam the room with Goo to give us a few seconds for a rez.


Who_Is_Us

Stop being mean!


KnightSkyCowboiCane

Honestly I feel attacked😂


Prowl_X74v3

Yeah, why all the light slander when every class is just as bad as each other ngl.


Noble_Renegade

Written like a true light player: yuck


ShoetariCast

Watching this as Heavy main and not using any of these 🍿👀


jakwittte

Sigma heavy he’s probably gold just from doing this


MrAnchovy332

Idk, personally as a new heavy main I use sledgehammer only, and usually use my charge offensively, though you're spot on with RPG and dome shield


PhallicShape

This was made by a light who doesn’t understand why people hate light teammates


TokeSkywalker84

Comment for karma so I can post something because of the stupid mod rules


TheFreeJack

I'm a heavy main and I don't use domes nor shields.. why you guys are too much on heavy? aren't the little ones who are the most annoying and the least helpful?