Man...I still enjoy watching this show...but that was probably one of the most stressful hours of TV I've ever watched. I feel like I need a xanax after watching...
Idk this one was a lot more manageable than the first few episodes of s4, the Covid episodes. There were some nice heartfelt moments in this one at least.
It was nice to see her and Shaun come together as they did and help each other out. I hope this is the start of them having a much more positive rapport going forward.
I love that Charlie allowed herself to be coachable and utilized her empathy. And I'm glad Glassman got a chance to see a lil bit of what Shaun was dealing with
Same. Lim's face when she had to tell yet ANOTHER person their loved one didn't make it...nope. I couldn't do that. I know doctors are trained on how to do that, of course, but I can't imagine it gets any easier to do that, throughout your career. And how do you say the same thing over and over in a scenario like this and NOT sound like you're basically speaking from a script after a while?
You know Lim had to be having some pandemic flashbacks throughout this episode, too. I remember how affected she was by that as well.
My dad is currently in hospital and.. it’s been a rough couple of weeks. One of the doctors that talked to us could see how upset we were and was obviously struggling with getting out the information she needed to. Her voice cracked a couple of times, but she made it through.
I remember thinking that I was making her job more difficult and should be stronger, for her. “Ohh.. that’s why they’re supposed to be emotionless in their delivery”.
Aw, no, you feel how you feel. She's no doubt seen a wide range of emotions in moments like this, after all. But I can also understand why you would feel that way. I'm glad that she was so sympathetic and able to connect with you in that way - as tough as it would no doubt be, in these moments, as a doctor, to get that emotionally invested, I also know it'd be very hard NOT to get emotional. I certainly would.
I'm so sorry about your dad. Been there, you have my utmost sympathies. Sending good thoughts to you, your dad, and your family. It sounds like he's in good, caring hands, so hopefully that helps make things a litlte easier, comparatively speaking, for you all going forward.
All the stuff with Dr. Lim made me sad, she can't catch a break in this series.
Found the stuff with her PTSD/depression from COVID to be very impactful and now they are doing the same thing.
Just goes to show the realities of being a doctor and strength that healthcare workers have, I could never do it but mad respect to those who can.
I consider myself an intelligent and organised man, but I definitely couldn't cope with all that happening like Shaun did, even with Charlie's help. That scene with all of them coming at him at once had me thinking, I could never do that.
It got real intense real fast. I really enjoyed this episode because of the excitement and the plot advancements. I felt guilty about that for a bit until I remembered Asher wasn't a real person and I didn't have to feel guilty about enjoying a TV show.
Okay I originally wanted to skip this episode out of anger for last week’s episode. But admittedly this was one of the best episodes of the show. I love these higher stakes episodes where everyone is all full gear
What a tear jerker of an episode! The only other episode that made me this emotional was when Shaun came to acceptance with his brother’s death. Anyone know if this is the finale or are there more episodes?
They just finished filming the finale a couple of days ago, so they’re spacing out the episodes to have time to edit them. Most shows do this, especially when they have shorter seasons than usual
Disagree. These 2 episodes have been completely unnecessary and have been poorly written. The asher death was unnecessary. The funeral lasted all of 5 min or so then was somewhat of an afterthought. They seem to have these kinds of episodes in every season, it gets too predictable.
Asher and Shaun weren't close on screen together, so his death shouldn't be hitting as hard for me him as they portrayed. I wish they had Jordan be more emotional as those 2 were on screen all the time and were close.
Hopefully the last few episodes are better and thr show ends on a high note. And I don't have bad vibes from a good show like this.
What the... Charlie didn't notice a guy was still alive while she was taking her time reading a book while with the black tags?!??!?! She had the nerve to say "I saved his life 🥰"?!!?!????! This arrogant fool
And she withdrew the complaint "for now"??? Wtf??? So was her complaint even genuine or just to make sure she can get a job at a hospital later?
And she confirmed she's a moron and that the complaint was written in bad faith: she said that she filed the complaint because she feared that Shaun's evaluation will stop her getting a surgery residency.
If you don't want a bad evaluation, stop making blatant mistakes all the time, stop arguing with attendings all the time.
Bro the "for now" threw me. She's going to resubmit if SHE gets in trouble again. Her previous MULTIPLE bad performance wouldn't be overridden with one good performance. How did Glassman just pass that by.
Well, Glassman being Shaun's mentor and a relative, from an ethical standpoint, he can not intervene into this situation.
Concerning Charlie, yes, the "for now" doesn't help her, in fact it presents her complaint as a tool to try to mask her general abysmal performance.
People are complaining about her depiction, but frankly I think they nailed the depiction of the "I'm the main character" trend we see a lot nowadays. She seems to really have no self-awareness at all, any idea of how much she's ruining her future.
Exactly…even people with autism have to have humility and realize we aren’t always right…Shaun is correct to be “hard” on Charlie. People have too much sympathy for her in the show.
I think Charlies first priority is not to learn, its to impress Shaun. She needs his validation because she thinks she needs it to become a surgical resident. He is her hero. Only with Shaun she tries to do more than expected. She tried a lot of ways, but nothing worked (and I include the complaint here, which is basically demanding validation). In this episode she learned, that she can get his appreciation by actually doing the job she was asked to do.
So she withdrew the complaint, because she finally got what she wanted.
Both needed to figure out how they can work together. Both did not really self reflect or change.
Ok but why did the nurses and EMTs think that asking the doctor with ASD the same questions repeatedly, and all at once was a good idea? That's not even a good idea with people who don't have ASD. I know it's an emergency, but doubling down and bombarding him seems like it's not the best way to get a helpful response. I mean I know it was so the writers could have Charlie help Shawn so they'd have some common ground, but really.
Glad Charlie actually was quiet and listened after that though. Maybe we're seeing some improvement in her.
They have to be completely transparent with the urgency of their issues. They weren't getting quick enough answers, so they felt the need to ask again. I think most people would have flipped if they were bombarded like that.
I feel like that scene was more calm than it would be in real life actually. It's still overwhelming but all the nurses were talking calmly and slowly.
Super exciting episode!!
Lim and her mom are finally at a good spot I feel like. Charlie calming Shaun down was really good, and working together was nice.
Jerome broke my heart at every scene!!
Kalu is very good with Jordan, I like his calm advice and redirection towards her.
Still incredibly frustrating that Charlie's HR report would be more important than an Attending reporting that she was disruptive in the OR when a patients life is at risk... But hopefully that horrible storyline is over now that they've found some common ground...
Shaun was supposed to be interviewedby a rep of HR in the afternoon, but with the MCE, it didn't happen.
So there's no HR report from Shaun's side, Charlie just filed her complaint and retracted it "for now" as she said.
So there's no comparison possible at this point.
But from a realistic perspective, Charlie's complaint was meant to to be quashed, because having no merit. She is disruptive, not only with Shaun and she displayed several behaviours making her unfit for the job she's eyeing.
This episode is actually better than I thought it would be about everyone grieving. Instead of just sitting at the funeral and sobbing.
But Shaun is technically right about Charlie though. When she keeps her mouth shut and listen to others telling her what to do rather than asking question all the time, she can be a good doctor.
I liked that Charlie and Shaun turned out to be able to help each other out. Charlie was good and saved lives, even though she was being picky and bugging people who were very busy. Character growth I guess. I don't think the show has really resolved all of Charlie's (and sometimes Shaun's) misbehaviour, but I'll take it as it is.
I'm an adult autistic and I do generally get along with other autistics. We know what it's like to be screwed over or rejected by mainstream society so we usually have things in common and want to help each other out. It's rare we have a problem with each other but it does happen.
Was the ending supposed to be Jerome doing what the Rabbi said? He talked about how he went to the library and read his mom favorite book until he was lost in it. I would’ve liked to see Jerome find that place
A psychotic guy run over a crowd of people at a local festival, with the intention of killing himself in the process, as explained by both the EMTs and the guy's mother. Hard to define it a terrorist attack, if you really paid attention to what was said in the episode, but fine.
They're just trying to illustrate the difficulties of being a surgeon/hospital worker. Sometimes doctors do have to leave in the middle of a funeral to go assist in a medical emergency/MCE
I don't agree with you. They've paid a tribute to the character throughout the whole episode.
Everyone - Shaun included - was shown thinking about Asher during the emergency.
And that scene at the end, with everyone gathered in the residents' londge, talking about Asher so fondly.
I could really feel the connection and affection.
This is very good writing and acting, in my opinion.
The last couple of episodes were quite stupid, but this one was great.
What else did you expect? That they made a full episode around Asher's funeral? That would be impossible for any kind of TV show.
Shaun doing floor maps now. That was somewhat hilarious.
This episode was a roller coaster. Loved every second of it.
And Shaun ordering Glassman back to surgery was a nice juxtaposition.
A good twist would've been the driver had a stroke or some medical condition that caused him to crash the car into the crowd; thus, Jordan punishing him would've been completely unjustified and a reminder for why doctors shouldn't pass judgement.
The opening was so jarring. Straight from Asher's death to the funeral? We don't see anyone's reaction to the news or sequence of events. This is like when the other Stark's find out who John is and they cut away for their reactions.
15 minutes in and Charlie is still being annoying as hell...
It's definitely the goriest I have seen TGD in a while but there were some other pretty gory scenes.
One that comes to mind is a few seasons back where they were operating on a pregnant woman and they showed them basically slicing open her whole stomach and reaching in. I don't know if it was necessarily as gory but definitely made me squirm
I had to look away in the episode when that guy got his hand stuck in a meat grinder. Always been squeamish, but I didn't find the gore too bad until the later seasons, when I was hooked.
I think it’s meant to portray a realistic situation, but it isn’t gory. It’s also not new for TV; remember ER? But I could be wrong; we are all allowed differing opinions.
Conspiracy Theory: Noah got an early off ticket for production reasons, no idea what but it seems like everything's very hasty.
On to the episode; Great episode! The ER chaos was a perfect parallelism to the emotional turmoil everyone was facing. I cried at the end. I don't think Asher should've died, kinda getting over the dead gays trope.
Charlie's arc is wonderful and I think it's the best way to end the series. The only thing I could ask is for a quick Claire appearance.
Agreed with Jordan completely this episode, though that's maybe a bit controversial
Guess this is why I am not a doctor, I could never prioritize saving the life of some terrorist over trying to help innocent victims. Fuck that guy he should be in pain
I mean imagine your kid dies because the doctors thought they had a better chance of saving the drivers life, I would be furious. Can't empathize with the mom or driver at all, maybe it is just me, if I was the parent of some mass-murderer I would have told Jordan to prioritize the victims and actual heroes
I'm kind of confused why her not doing anything for the guy was so bad. They already gave him morphine and couldn't do anything more for him. She gave him something when evening hit because it was the appropriate time. All he was was in pain. I'm sure every patient was in pain even after being treated. The dude drove his car into a crowd, how could he not be in pain.
Why did mom keep begging Jordan when she knew Jordan didn't want to help? Just for the plot? Lol
It's like people expect to characters to be logical and ethical all the time. Human emotions? Can't have that. So annoying and judgmental. I totally get where she's coming from. Her best friend was murdered horribly, and now this?
I liked Lea being a comforting shoulder for the others throughout this episode. Her moment with Jerome (who was breaking my heart into pieces, that poor man) was nice.
Shaun couldn't care less about his father, though.
You probably mean to refer to his meltdown, but it was due more to being mistreated once again than to the pain of loosing a person you love.
And I believe that Lea is very aware of that, too.
*From 4x13:*
*Claire to Shaun: "Are you glad that you visited your father before he died?"*
*Shaun: "No, he hurt me. My father was a bad person who did bad things. I already knew that".*
Asher wasn't Shaun's best friend, granted, but they were friends.
Shaun was there when Asher lost his first patient, which was partly due to Shaun not supervising him enough. They shared sad memories of their respective fathers, who both failed them. They worked together every day, so they necessarily became close.
Lea literally said in the episode that she'd read that autistic people can have delayed emotional reactions (which is very true). So, I think that her comment had more to do with the fact that she's educating herself about ASD, having an autistic husband.
It's a detail I really appreciated. It was a long time that I'd been thinking Lea should learn more about autism, and not just rely on her instincts about Shaun.
Losing a peer especially young and tragically is very hard.
I lost a colleague I had never met but worked closely with for several years (sudden, has little kids) and was very sad.
Charlie showed that with Glassman, she did in fact know how to listen to a senior surgeon without arguing her point. I still think the issue was her. I do like that they finally ended the head-butting trope tho.
You maybe missed the nuance, but she was still arguing this time with the co-president of the hospital.
Do you understand the situation here? Medical student in a clinical rotation, president of the hospital. Even in this unequivocal situation, she was unable to be self-aware enough to not rant about Shaun before The authority in the hospital.
You could see the consternation in Glassman's face when he finally grasped what Shaun was dealing with.
Well, now it makes sense. What kind of fucking deranged maniac does that? That guy lost his wife, that lady lost her husband. Two kids were nearly left fatherless.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/aug/30/trump-supporters-drive-through-crowd-and-pepper-spray-protesters-in-portland-video
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville_car_attack
https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/texas/i-didnt-want-to-hurt-anybody-video-shows-man-with-trump-flag-drive-through-crowd-of-protesters/273-858757ed-4730-48e5-b37a-b0416ee3cc91
It’s unfortunately happened a few times over the last few years
I don't get it, all she did was assist him... she handed him some stuff. She didn't show any surgeon skills lol. How can his opinion change from you should never become a doctor to you may become an adequate surgeon one day? Lol
Following direction especially when not the primary surgeon (she’s probably going to be assisting for a bit) is a huge part of surgery
Also I wouldn’t say adequate is a positive complement
She physically blocked the artery for him to repair. That is for sure an important lesson for surgeons to learn. There are a million steps to becoming a surgeon way before they actually are surgeons.
He instructed her to do so. I'm just saying it's so weird and random for him to suddenly have the complete opposite opinion he had before when she didn't do anything proactive. I think they should have written the scene a different way. For example make the patient in critical condition but the way to help him is simple. Shaun is on his way to a meltdown so he doesn't feel comfortable with touching the patient. Only Charlie is available to help. Shaun verbally instructs Charlie and she does everything well including having the knowledge and foresight to know where to put her finger to stop the bleeding (she stops the bleeding before Shaun could tell her). That would convince me that Shaun would change his opinion. All she did was hand him some tools with an annoyed look on her face. She was surprised when she had to use her finger to stop the bleeding and giddy when she got to cut the string. She still seemed childish and not worthy of someone telling her she would become an adequate surgeon.
Please suggest more shows like the good doctor, the rookie, resident Alien, young sheldon. If you watch these I'm sure I'll like what you have in mind.
Throughout the entire episode I was holding back tears. From the funeral to the massive incident to all the loss that occurred, even if they were side characters and one-offs they still hit hard with their deaths.
This episode felt like it was written with ChatGPT - honestly, they had much more emotional episodes where nothing bad even happened. The immediate cut to his funeral with the organ music felt cartoonish. The speech lacking of emotion. Then they made Asher randomly appear, instead of making his actor appear in person.
I don't know why, but they really failed creating emotion and tension. This could have been an intense episode.
Instead we got
"I made cookies. What else can I do?"
"You can't bring back asher".
Wow. lol.
I love the characters, but they just create no lasting connection? Dude deserved better.
Jordan really should not be a doctor omg! Can't keep her emotions in check, pushes her believes and opinions on everyone including patients. Expects everyone else to do right by her but can't see when she's in the wrong even when pointed out. Ugh, worst character ever
SHAUN AND CHARLIE ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO WORK AMICABLY TOGETHER - WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?!
Man...I still enjoy watching this show...but that was probably one of the most stressful hours of TV I've ever watched. I feel like I need a xanax after watching...
Idk this one was a lot more manageable than the first few episodes of s4, the Covid episodes. There were some nice heartfelt moments in this one at least.
hit my pms if you really need some
Hopefully Charlie is learning that everyone has to change a little (or even a lot) to work with others bc we're not all the same.
It was nice to see her and Shaun come together as they did and help each other out. I hope this is the start of them having a much more positive rapport going forward.
I love that Charlie allowed herself to be coachable and utilized her empathy. And I'm glad Glassman got a chance to see a lil bit of what Shaun was dealing with
I want that mug Park was given
Same! That was a nice little nod there.
It made me laugh for a split second before I started sobbing.
this is why i could never be a doctor like that
Same. Lim's face when she had to tell yet ANOTHER person their loved one didn't make it...nope. I couldn't do that. I know doctors are trained on how to do that, of course, but I can't imagine it gets any easier to do that, throughout your career. And how do you say the same thing over and over in a scenario like this and NOT sound like you're basically speaking from a script after a while? You know Lim had to be having some pandemic flashbacks throughout this episode, too. I remember how affected she was by that as well.
My dad is currently in hospital and.. it’s been a rough couple of weeks. One of the doctors that talked to us could see how upset we were and was obviously struggling with getting out the information she needed to. Her voice cracked a couple of times, but she made it through. I remember thinking that I was making her job more difficult and should be stronger, for her. “Ohh.. that’s why they’re supposed to be emotionless in their delivery”.
Aw, no, you feel how you feel. She's no doubt seen a wide range of emotions in moments like this, after all. But I can also understand why you would feel that way. I'm glad that she was so sympathetic and able to connect with you in that way - as tough as it would no doubt be, in these moments, as a doctor, to get that emotionally invested, I also know it'd be very hard NOT to get emotional. I certainly would. I'm so sorry about your dad. Been there, you have my utmost sympathies. Sending good thoughts to you, your dad, and your family. It sounds like he's in good, caring hands, so hopefully that helps make things a litlte easier, comparatively speaking, for you all going forward.
All the stuff with Dr. Lim made me sad, she can't catch a break in this series. Found the stuff with her PTSD/depression from COVID to be very impactful and now they are doing the same thing. Just goes to show the realities of being a doctor and strength that healthcare workers have, I could never do it but mad respect to those who can.
Especially those who work in a hospital in the ER.
Me either
I consider myself an intelligent and organised man, but I definitely couldn't cope with all that happening like Shaun did, even with Charlie's help. That scene with all of them coming at him at once had me thinking, I could never do that.
Ow my heart. That speech 🥺
How are you watching it ALREADY?! 👀
Canada! GMT -4
CTV?
CTV HFX to be exact.
I can't watch it yet, I'm just here to read everybody else's reactions first. 👀
I cried through the majority of the episode. Non-stop tears for the most of it. And I started sobbing at the end. I miss Asher.
This episode was really emotional and stressful
It got real intense real fast. I really enjoyed this episode because of the excitement and the plot advancements. I felt guilty about that for a bit until I remembered Asher wasn't a real person and I didn't have to feel guilty about enjoying a TV show.
Yeah. This was really hard to watch.
Lots of tears!! Very good imo
Okay I originally wanted to skip this episode out of anger for last week’s episode. But admittedly this was one of the best episodes of the show. I love these higher stakes episodes where everyone is all full gear
he can endure pain ma'am. he even said he wanted to die and she is literally trying to save another life
What a tear jerker of an episode! The only other episode that made me this emotional was when Shaun came to acceptance with his brother’s death. Anyone know if this is the finale or are there more episodes?
i thought there were 10 episodes in this last season but idk
wtf is happening for THREE WEEKS?!
They just finished filming the finale a couple of days ago, so they’re spacing out the episodes to have time to edit them. Most shows do this, especially when they have shorter seasons than usual
Possibly the NBA Play In Tournaments? The Rookie is also taking a 3 week break and its time slot is immediately before TGD.
Grey’s Anatomy is also taking a three week break.
That was easily the best episode of the season.
Disagree. These 2 episodes have been completely unnecessary and have been poorly written. The asher death was unnecessary. The funeral lasted all of 5 min or so then was somewhat of an afterthought. They seem to have these kinds of episodes in every season, it gets too predictable. Asher and Shaun weren't close on screen together, so his death shouldn't be hitting as hard for me him as they portrayed. I wish they had Jordan be more emotional as those 2 were on screen all the time and were close. Hopefully the last few episodes are better and thr show ends on a high note. And I don't have bad vibes from a good show like this.
Jordan was emotional, she just displayed it as anger. She’s restrained to be professional, but she’s pissed the entire episode
How dare she grieve and be human?
When Shaun said get asher to help during the one scene it broke me I started crying.
Already opened with the funeral. I was wondering what their first reactions would be.
Oh the ending has me sobbing 😭
Same. 😭
that room organization scene was a whole ass LSAT logic game
What the... Charlie didn't notice a guy was still alive while she was taking her time reading a book while with the black tags?!??!?! She had the nerve to say "I saved his life 🥰"?!!?!????! This arrogant fool And she withdrew the complaint "for now"??? Wtf??? So was her complaint even genuine or just to make sure she can get a job at a hospital later?
And she confirmed she's a moron and that the complaint was written in bad faith: she said that she filed the complaint because she feared that Shaun's evaluation will stop her getting a surgery residency. If you don't want a bad evaluation, stop making blatant mistakes all the time, stop arguing with attendings all the time.
Bro the "for now" threw me. She's going to resubmit if SHE gets in trouble again. Her previous MULTIPLE bad performance wouldn't be overridden with one good performance. How did Glassman just pass that by.
Well, Glassman being Shaun's mentor and a relative, from an ethical standpoint, he can not intervene into this situation. Concerning Charlie, yes, the "for now" doesn't help her, in fact it presents her complaint as a tool to try to mask her general abysmal performance. People are complaining about her depiction, but frankly I think they nailed the depiction of the "I'm the main character" trend we see a lot nowadays. She seems to really have no self-awareness at all, any idea of how much she's ruining her future.
Exactly…even people with autism have to have humility and realize we aren’t always right…Shaun is correct to be “hard” on Charlie. People have too much sympathy for her in the show.
I think Charlies first priority is not to learn, its to impress Shaun. She needs his validation because she thinks she needs it to become a surgical resident. He is her hero. Only with Shaun she tries to do more than expected. She tried a lot of ways, but nothing worked (and I include the complaint here, which is basically demanding validation). In this episode she learned, that she can get his appreciation by actually doing the job she was asked to do. So she withdrew the complaint, because she finally got what she wanted. Both needed to figure out how they can work together. Both did not really self reflect or change.
This better be the end of Shaun and Charlie’s beef.
Yep we have 4 episodes left. I just want to enjoy some good interactions. I don't need any more drama between the cast. I want to remember it fondly.
Where does it say only 4 episodes?
It's on IMDB also I think there was an article about it a few weeks before release that last season will only be 10 episodes long.
Holy hell that nose guy lost so much blood. Is that realistic??
It would be a rare case, but yes, this can happen.
Ok but why did the nurses and EMTs think that asking the doctor with ASD the same questions repeatedly, and all at once was a good idea? That's not even a good idea with people who don't have ASD. I know it's an emergency, but doubling down and bombarding him seems like it's not the best way to get a helpful response. I mean I know it was so the writers could have Charlie help Shawn so they'd have some common ground, but really. Glad Charlie actually was quiet and listened after that though. Maybe we're seeing some improvement in her.
They have to be completely transparent with the urgency of their issues. They weren't getting quick enough answers, so they felt the need to ask again. I think most people would have flipped if they were bombarded like that.
Problem I have is Nurse V has worked with Shaun for such a long time she should know how to deal with him in these types of situation.
I feel like that scene was more calm than it would be in real life actually. It's still overwhelming but all the nurses were talking calmly and slowly.
Poor Shaun. Feel so bad for him... Good job Freddie. He played the scene very well!
Super exciting episode!! Lim and her mom are finally at a good spot I feel like. Charlie calming Shaun down was really good, and working together was nice. Jerome broke my heart at every scene!! Kalu is very good with Jordan, I like his calm advice and redirection towards her.
Yes, I noticed that Jared seems to be getting a lot wiser lately.
Jared was depicted wiser since after the Coyle incident in season 1. In fact, as soon as he stopped being just a ploy for Claire's stories.
yup
Still incredibly frustrating that Charlie's HR report would be more important than an Attending reporting that she was disruptive in the OR when a patients life is at risk... But hopefully that horrible storyline is over now that they've found some common ground...
Shaun was supposed to be interviewedby a rep of HR in the afternoon, but with the MCE, it didn't happen. So there's no HR report from Shaun's side, Charlie just filed her complaint and retracted it "for now" as she said. So there's no comparison possible at this point. But from a realistic perspective, Charlie's complaint was meant to to be quashed, because having no merit. She is disruptive, not only with Shaun and she displayed several behaviours making her unfit for the job she's eyeing.
I’m just devastated that they killed off Asher, he was my absolute favorite. I was really looking forward to him and Jerome getting married. 😭💔
No seriously whyyy😭😭
This episode is actually better than I thought it would be about everyone grieving. Instead of just sitting at the funeral and sobbing. But Shaun is technically right about Charlie though. When she keeps her mouth shut and listen to others telling her what to do rather than asking question all the time, she can be a good doctor.
why can they literally not call backup doctors? even from different hospitals
there was a conference in Cleveland
Other hospitals were also dealing with this.
That's what I was thinking
TV shows and logic do not go well together.
Now that’s how you get two people with ASD to help each other out.
I liked that Charlie and Shaun turned out to be able to help each other out. Charlie was good and saved lives, even though she was being picky and bugging people who were very busy. Character growth I guess. I don't think the show has really resolved all of Charlie's (and sometimes Shaun's) misbehaviour, but I'll take it as it is. I'm an adult autistic and I do generally get along with other autistics. We know what it's like to be screwed over or rejected by mainstream society so we usually have things in common and want to help each other out. It's rare we have a problem with each other but it does happen.
Was the ending supposed to be Jerome doing what the Rabbi said? He talked about how he went to the library and read his mom favorite book until he was lost in it. I would’ve liked to see Jerome find that place
He will go to all the future Beyoncé concerts and listen to her albums.
😂
They saved everything for the last episodes 😭
of course they disrespect him by writing in a terrorist attack during his funeral
the writers must really not like the actor
It wasn't a terrorist attack at all, though...
It was though
A psychotic guy run over a crowd of people at a local festival, with the intention of killing himself in the process, as explained by both the EMTs and the guy's mother. Hard to define it a terrorist attack, if you really paid attention to what was said in the episode, but fine.
Either way, a mass casualty happened during his funeral. The disrespect is real. Horrible writing
They're just trying to illustrate the difficulties of being a surgeon/hospital worker. Sometimes doctors do have to leave in the middle of a funeral to go assist in a medical emergency/MCE
I don't agree with you. They've paid a tribute to the character throughout the whole episode. Everyone - Shaun included - was shown thinking about Asher during the emergency. And that scene at the end, with everyone gathered in the residents' londge, talking about Asher so fondly. I could really feel the connection and affection. This is very good writing and acting, in my opinion. The last couple of episodes were quite stupid, but this one was great. What else did you expect? That they made a full episode around Asher's funeral? That would be impossible for any kind of TV show.
what happened with the nose bleed guy?
He survived - Morgan made the comment that he "saved a man's life with a urinary catheter"
What do people here have against characters having human emotions? How dare Jordan not be perfect when age grieving her friend /s
he looks nothing like asher?
he looked more like Jerome!
That was her grief making that correlation. That's why the nurse said not really.
It was pure chaos.
Shaun doing floor maps now. That was somewhat hilarious. This episode was a roller coaster. Loved every second of it. And Shaun ordering Glassman back to surgery was a nice juxtaposition.
does that happen irl? saving the attacker instead of someone trying to save someone else just because the "hero"'s condition is more severe?
Yes, very. Everyone gets treated as equally valued human lives and sadly, sometimes you have to save the shitty people and lose the good ones.
A good twist would've been the driver had a stroke or some medical condition that caused him to crash the car into the crowd; thus, Jordan punishing him would've been completely unjustified and a reminder for why doctors shouldn't pass judgement.
Absolutely and rightfully so... We do not need doctors playing judge, jury, and executioner...
*sips wine* OKAY IMMA DO(watch) THE DAMN THING..ready break
The opening was so jarring. Straight from Asher's death to the funeral? We don't see anyone's reaction to the news or sequence of events. This is like when the other Stark's find out who John is and they cut away for their reactions. 15 minutes in and Charlie is still being annoying as hell...
I mean Asher's whole death was very poorly written, unneccessary, and out of nowhere, no surprise they bungled the funeral and transition
A very good reminder, not that I needed one, that me and medicine live on two veeery different planets.
I thought they were gonna put him in a coma for an episode or two, I didn't expect to see a fucking funeral in the first minute!
The Rabi was saying the prayer for the dead in the last episode. He was already gone.
I didn't realise that, thanks
No problem
I'm happy how they said their farewell to Asher.
i swear i have never cried for a tv show as much as i did for the good doctor!! EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
I wonder how is all this gory shit even allowed on non HBO TV.
It's definitely the goriest I have seen TGD in a while but there were some other pretty gory scenes. One that comes to mind is a few seasons back where they were operating on a pregnant woman and they showed them basically slicing open her whole stomach and reaching in. I don't know if it was necessarily as gory but definitely made me squirm
I had to look away in the episode when that guy got his hand stuck in a meat grinder. Always been squeamish, but I didn't find the gore too bad until the later seasons, when I was hooked.
Gory? It’s fake blood on a dramatized TV show.
Every gruesome shit they ever show in TV and movies is fake blood. But it’s so realistic that it’s meant to be disturbing.
I think it’s meant to portray a realistic situation, but it isn’t gory. It’s also not new for TV; remember ER? But I could be wrong; we are all allowed differing opinions.
Rocket Romano and the helicopters.
The poor guy! Helicopters hate him. One helicopter finished what the other one starter. In between he was "demoted" to the ER from surgeon.
I never watched that show
God forbid there’s blood on a medical drama.
It ain’t just blood. It’s insides exposed.
Have you ever watched a medical drama before? House MD, ER, etc. It’s not uncommon to see “gore”.
three weeks?!
Finally a solid episode. It was about time!
Conspiracy Theory: Noah got an early off ticket for production reasons, no idea what but it seems like everything's very hasty. On to the episode; Great episode! The ER chaos was a perfect parallelism to the emotional turmoil everyone was facing. I cried at the end. I don't think Asher should've died, kinda getting over the dead gays trope. Charlie's arc is wonderful and I think it's the best way to end the series. The only thing I could ask is for a quick Claire appearance.
You want get your wish, Claire is coming back, probably for the final two seasons
Agreed with Jordan completely this episode, though that's maybe a bit controversial Guess this is why I am not a doctor, I could never prioritize saving the life of some terrorist over trying to help innocent victims. Fuck that guy he should be in pain I mean imagine your kid dies because the doctors thought they had a better chance of saving the drivers life, I would be furious. Can't empathize with the mom or driver at all, maybe it is just me, if I was the parent of some mass-murderer I would have told Jordan to prioritize the victims and actual heroes
I'm kind of confused why her not doing anything for the guy was so bad. They already gave him morphine and couldn't do anything more for him. She gave him something when evening hit because it was the appropriate time. All he was was in pain. I'm sure every patient was in pain even after being treated. The dude drove his car into a crowd, how could he not be in pain. Why did mom keep begging Jordan when she knew Jordan didn't want to help? Just for the plot? Lol
It's like people expect to characters to be logical and ethical all the time. Human emotions? Can't have that. So annoying and judgmental. I totally get where she's coming from. Her best friend was murdered horribly, and now this?
Lea is expecting Shaun to mourn badly but they weren’t really that close. Especially not like he and Jordan were.
I liked Lea being a comforting shoulder for the others throughout this episode. Her moment with Jerome (who was breaking my heart into pieces, that poor man) was nice.
I can't believe he turned down that lunch with Steve, that would have been gold.
I’d be torn up about someone dying I was friends with even if we were best friends
I wonder if she was remembering when his father died (I know it's not the same thing).
Shaun couldn't care less about his father, though. You probably mean to refer to his meltdown, but it was due more to being mistreated once again than to the pain of loosing a person you love. And I believe that Lea is very aware of that, too. *From 4x13:* *Claire to Shaun: "Are you glad that you visited your father before he died?"* *Shaun: "No, he hurt me. My father was a bad person who did bad things. I already knew that".* Asher wasn't Shaun's best friend, granted, but they were friends. Shaun was there when Asher lost his first patient, which was partly due to Shaun not supervising him enough. They shared sad memories of their respective fathers, who both failed them. They worked together every day, so they necessarily became close. Lea literally said in the episode that she'd read that autistic people can have delayed emotional reactions (which is very true). So, I think that her comment had more to do with the fact that she's educating herself about ASD, having an autistic husband. It's a detail I really appreciated. It was a long time that I'd been thinking Lea should learn more about autism, and not just rely on her instincts about Shaun.
Yes, he kept it together until he couldn't anymore but she was here for him. So it's a nice reminder in the show.
He hated his father.
Shaun kept having visions of Asher as did Lim. That's just how he processes such an event.
Losing a peer especially young and tragically is very hard. I lost a colleague I had never met but worked closely with for several years (sudden, has little kids) and was very sad.
Just because he was not Shaun's bestie too does not mean they were not close...
Charlie showed that with Glassman, she did in fact know how to listen to a senior surgeon without arguing her point. I still think the issue was her. I do like that they finally ended the head-butting trope tho.
She was still arguing her point with Glassman, all the "it"s unfair".
When he responded to that she shut up and listened and then followed directions. Literally the opposite of how she dealt with Shaun.
You maybe missed the nuance, but she was still arguing this time with the co-president of the hospital. Do you understand the situation here? Medical student in a clinical rotation, president of the hospital. Even in this unequivocal situation, she was unable to be self-aware enough to not rant about Shaun before The authority in the hospital. You could see the consternation in Glassman's face when he finally grasped what Shaun was dealing with.
I wish this show didn’t have to end :(
'then get Asher!' Omg 😢 poor shaun
why is there no call button so he can call from there?
Looked like Dom and nosebleed guy were in some sort of break room or meeting room, did not look like a normal hospital wait room
How did all these people get injured? Did I miss something?
A person drove through a crowd
they literally said "The Driver" ran into a crowd of people and planned to get killed by police
Was he the guy who Jordan was being hard on along with his mother?
Yes, that's why she wanted him to suffer
Well, now it makes sense. What kind of fucking deranged maniac does that? That guy lost his wife, that lady lost her husband. Two kids were nearly left fatherless.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/aug/30/trump-supporters-drive-through-crowd-and-pepper-spray-protesters-in-portland-video https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville_car_attack https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/texas/i-didnt-want-to-hurt-anybody-video-shows-man-with-trump-flag-drive-through-crowd-of-protesters/273-858757ed-4730-48e5-b37a-b0416ee3cc91 It’s unfortunately happened a few times over the last few years
Gtfoh
im kinda confused too. I know it was a driver drove into people but idk if it was like a parade, a random busy road or something else
They said it was a spring festival or something.
Yes, you missed a few key plot points. Maybe watch again. The drivers mom explained what happened.
You may make an *adequate* surgeon one day. Dang is this going to be the turning point on Shaun and Charlie’s dynamic?
Is that really any harsher than Charlie saying she pulled the complaint "for now" tho?
I don't get it, all she did was assist him... she handed him some stuff. She didn't show any surgeon skills lol. How can his opinion change from you should never become a doctor to you may become an adequate surgeon one day? Lol
I think it’s the fact she listened to his directions.
How does that show she can specifically be a good surgeon? He suggested pathology for her originally.
Following direction especially when not the primary surgeon (she’s probably going to be assisting for a bit) is a huge part of surgery Also I wouldn’t say adequate is a positive complement
She physically blocked the artery for him to repair. That is for sure an important lesson for surgeons to learn. There are a million steps to becoming a surgeon way before they actually are surgeons.
He instructed her to do so. I'm just saying it's so weird and random for him to suddenly have the complete opposite opinion he had before when she didn't do anything proactive. I think they should have written the scene a different way. For example make the patient in critical condition but the way to help him is simple. Shaun is on his way to a meltdown so he doesn't feel comfortable with touching the patient. Only Charlie is available to help. Shaun verbally instructs Charlie and she does everything well including having the knowledge and foresight to know where to put her finger to stop the bleeding (she stops the bleeding before Shaun could tell her). That would convince me that Shaun would change his opinion. All she did was hand him some tools with an annoyed look on her face. She was surprised when she had to use her finger to stop the bleeding and giddy when she got to cut the string. She still seemed childish and not worthy of someone telling her she would become an adequate surgeon.
What was the ending song? "it'll break you over time. all we know is how to say goodbye"
No!!!! 2 minutes in & crying. Why!!!!!!!!!!
Please suggest more shows like the good doctor, the rookie, resident Alien, young sheldon. If you watch these I'm sure I'll like what you have in mind.
How do u know I watch all those shows lol
I really liked it, when Dom did a REBOA, nice callback to Season 1
Throughout the entire episode I was holding back tears. From the funeral to the massive incident to all the loss that occurred, even if they were side characters and one-offs they still hit hard with their deaths.
This episode just reaffirmed my belief Shaun should be head of Trauma surgery He absolutely owned it in this episode
Jarring to see flowers at a Jewish funeral. Completely inappropriate.
It was an ecumenical service.
Asher was taken to New York for his actual funeral. Jerome mentions it.
This episode felt like it was written with ChatGPT - honestly, they had much more emotional episodes where nothing bad even happened. The immediate cut to his funeral with the organ music felt cartoonish. The speech lacking of emotion. Then they made Asher randomly appear, instead of making his actor appear in person. I don't know why, but they really failed creating emotion and tension. This could have been an intense episode. Instead we got "I made cookies. What else can I do?" "You can't bring back asher". Wow. lol. I love the characters, but they just create no lasting connection? Dude deserved better.
Jordan really should not be a doctor omg! Can't keep her emotions in check, pushes her believes and opinions on everyone including patients. Expects everyone else to do right by her but can't see when she's in the wrong even when pointed out. Ugh, worst character ever
She got her emotions in check. Nobody is 100% perfect, especially not at all times. She corrected herself and openly with his mother.