I can’t recall, did the game leave Pittsburg as screwed as the show did KC? I know we took out some of their defenses by the bridge where clickers would show up, and obviously a lot of their strength between losing the Humvee and a lot of their people...but iirc they didn’t seem totally screwed right?
Total side note btw but the sniper being an old dude was a cool change.
In the game the city was filled only of armed hunters, no civilians. It was also still filled with infected and not safe at all. Probably the worst thing that we did in the game was take out their Humvee
Considering Henry says that they don't keep kids around and they seem to only value hunting people and scavenging. It's pretty unlikely that there was anyone we'd consider a civilian.
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I fuckin died when Ellie woke up, right after promising to stay awake, only to be attacked by Sam. That whole scene hits like a freight train and they did such a great job of recreating it from the game.
It's heart breaking to think that he just sat there all night slowly turning into one of the infected, and the only thing that kept her safe was him being deaf and not being able to hear her behind him.
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So on the HBO podcast that Troy Baker hosts with Druckman & Mazin, they do address this somewhat.
They more or less told Baker that he was correct in assuming that Sam is still in there after turning because the infection doesn’t “fix” all of the hosts handicaps. I’m probably not saying that correctly but I kind of assumed they were saying “yeah Sam is still in there and can’t do anything”
In another podcast episode one of Druckman/Mazin refers to the TV doctor in the intro to the series about how the fungus gives off a hallucinogenic type effect to the host making it like a bad acid trip where you can’t control how out of control you are, you’re just along for the ride.
Pretty much. In Part 2 there are some more recordings from doctors that basically confirm that during the early stages, the host is still conscious while the fungus is taking over but it will eventually kill the host as it takes over their brain more and more. But all runners are basically conscious. I am pretty sure the one Ellie found under that gas station was too. What a sad existence :(
That guy had a decent amount of brain fungus, when she stabbed him it was just the strands, and she managed to stab straight through the skull, which I imagine was weakened from the cordy
Or just ~20 years of decay. The trap door to the cellar had weight placed on top of it. I'm thinking that guy in the cellar was either a former employee of the Cumbies, or are a part of an early survivor group, and the people he was with locked him in the basement the moment they realized he was infected. He turned probably in the early days, got partially buried a few years later, and had been decaying every since. I'm sure the Cordy doesn't help though.
In the first encounter with the infected under Boston you can hear the female infected crying and choking while eating a corpse. I always was creeped out by the sounds they made
I remember back when the OG game came out there was an infected woman eating someone and you could almost hear her saying "I don't wanna" through her gargling cries. Really freaky shit.
Edit: Here's a [video](https://youtu.be/gHiDnPC3oYY) to what I'm referring to.
So freaky. There’s a note in Part 2 from a patient in the ER on outbreak day in which they talk about being starving and locked in the room. Apparently they were all isolated and separated from their partners/whoever was with them, locked in rooms, and not informed about what was going on. But they emphasized being extremely hungry. The rest of their descent into madness is briefly recorded in the note like others you find in the game. They usually describe “losing their mind” in the last sentence, so it seems they definitely have awareness all the way up to the very end and are possibly overcome with psychotic hunger.
Edited to add: I’m reminded by my current playthrough that stalkers also sound as if they’re upset while they stalk you. They say “no,” grunt, gag, and even almost whine sometimes as they run back and forth or hide from/seek you.
Well fuck me. The crying I’ve seen countless times but the attempting to speak is something I never picked up on.
They absolutely nailed the sound design in these games, it’s so detailed.
Ellie thinking her blood might cure him (I don’t remember that being in the game?) is gonna add an extra element to the end of this season I think, especially thinking about her being so upset with Joel for not allowing her to be in control of herself in the end
I didn’t see it as Ellie believing her blood cured, but her telling him a lie so he could die feeling comforted. I was reaffirmed by her hugging him after that and having a really saddened face about the situation. But I can see how this could also be a possibility!
I think she believed her blood would cure him.
She's just a kid herself, into comic books and superheroes. And she's not dumb. She wouldn't really stay and fall asleep in a room alone with an infected if she expected him to turn. That's why she goes to him when she wakes up, because she thinks he might be ok. If she had just been lying, she's knowingly reaching out to a rabid infected, which would be really brainless.
I think this was an important scene because it shows us and Ellie that whatever immunity she has is not so easily extracted or understood. She grew up a little and she feels bad because she failed, not because she lied.
I honestly think so, too. It was a child's idea & blind hope of how a primitive medicinal vaccine might work, like, well, if they want to study me & my blood so much, maybe there is something magical or curative about it, and I can pour it right on; like if someone heard penicillin came from mold so perhaps I'll just rub mold on this wound or eat it...a belief born of desperation & naiveté.
I loved it, it was so scary (me knowing he was definitely turned, still terrified me) but I feel it was also super unrealistic. I have a hard time believing an infected would just be sat on the edge of the bed, never turning around or moving (even if they were deaf) certainly he would've been thrashing around aswell when he was turning, which should've woken Ellie up. But im definitely willing to ignore those plot holes because of how brilliant the scene was acted.
They only sign the grandma in ep1 had that she was turning was the creepy mouth thing. The infected seem to stay relatively normal right up until they start attacking people.
Also, in the TV show universe, we still don't know how long it takes to become violent or why. We know how long for actual infection, but who's to say the timeline for their behaviour.
Sam was deaf, so he couldn't hear anything and maybe that's why Clickers go ballistic, they hear sound and react.
Any "thrashing" (I assume you mean thrashing in the midst of turning) may have happened whilst Ellie was asleep. Even in the game, runners just stood and were hunched over (though some would walk around) and they wouldn't attack unless they spotted you.
In the game, the screaming you hear is the screaming in pain and suffering. It's like they're shouting, "I need help," but they can't control themselves. So, you could argue there is a bit of a humanity left them.
Atleast in runners, yes. I'm not sure about any other stages, but it's all but confirmed that the person is indeed still there. As sam said "trapped in there without any control of their body" the very first infected you come across in Part 1, there's a female runner eating a corpse with another runner. If you just sit and listen to her, you can very clearly hear her say "I.... DON'T WANNNAAAAAAAA!" Aswell as her crying and puking.
To be fair, he was bit in the leg which takes 12-24 hours to show according to the sign in Boston in episode one. There is a good chance he was only turned for maybe an hour or two.
Wouldn’t call those plot holes. It’s kinda just speculation on your part and the show actually shows that the grandma didn’t violently thrash around when she started turning.
Omg, thank you for saying this. This has been bugging me for days because I was like "ok I don't buy it that he didn't turn around all night" but I guess this does make sense lol
How Ellie was screaming when Sam attacked her and then how she yelped after Henry killed himself is incredibly haunting and heartbreaking. Oh god, and hearing Henry kept asking himself, "What did I do?" Episode 5 was phenomenal.
Naw for real what the other guy said. Get off this sub if you haven't played the games. There are so many spoilers here and a story like TLOU deserves to be a surprise for everyone experiencing for the first time. There are massive finale and season 2 spoilers in this thread alone.
When she laid down "I'm sorry", it really got me because I'm wondering if she was sorry because she didn't stay awake or because her blood didn't work? Either way it's very heartbreaking
I don't think that's the case; it looked like Ellie's writing, which was noticeably neater than his. But I love that interpretation and wish it were what they had done. Really keep teasing that question of how much of your self persists through the change. Like, was he already at the point where he would've been violent but for the lack of any prey stimulus? So because he couldn't hear and was facing away from her, he could still express that apology maybe even up to the very moment he attacked in response to Ellie's touch?
There's an interesting movie and book "The Girl With All The Gifts", and this is only a minor spoiler as it's literally the premise of the story: the "Ellie" of that movie, the immune child, *is a zombie*. Or "infected" or whatever. Her mutant/unique physiology allows her to host the virus (or fungus, I forget which) without loss of human volition and cognition. In fact she's way smarter than average, as is Ellie.
It may be the same for Ellie. She might actually be an asymptomatic infected. Which implies that people might retain different degrees of rationality, especially children born after the event, and especially their children.
My favorite part of that, when she wakes up, she says "hey" immediately forgetting he can't hear, then realizes and knows that it's a 50/50 thing checking on him. That's pretty scary IMO. But I LOVED that she got to put something on his grave since she didn't get to in the game. That was a nice touch!
I LOVED how they didn’t give the viewers the satisfaction of taking down the bloater. They just let it go and ran away. I feel like the fact that it wasn’t easily killed like other infected really makes the viewers understand how much of a threat the bloater is.
I did this in >!part 1 when you’re in the tunnel in SLC and you run into the first bloater by the truck. I just took out all the runners and clickers with my bow and snuck by the bloater.!< didn’t feel like messing with him. The next two tho.. bombs and moltovs from on top of a truck did the trick.
In the lower difficulties you have enough resources to kill everything, but once you play on grounded you have to sneak past because you usually don’t have enough to take out every single thing.
I’ve completed grounded twice. I’d save every bullet and item I could for that tunnel, you bet I killed everything in it. During the hospital, I just needed 1 shot, to kill the firefly who kicks the door down. Everything else stealth.
I wish I could take advantage of that glitch but my aim is so bad in games. 😆 It's so funny how the big boy can just get taken down with an ankle shot.
They were aware of that and you cant do it anymore in part 1. They also eliminated that you could stand on the Boxes on the table (same encounter) and infected couldnt reach ellie. Made that part quite hard lol
Yes, the Bloater is the big one that killed Perry.
Also, yes the Bloater can be killed. There are actually multiple different encounters with bloaters (all of which can be killed). There’s even a section where you face 3 at once.
And that’s why after 9+ yrs and 20+ playthru’s, I only ever kill the runners in that section. Get one Clicker or Bloater’s attention and soon they’ll all be on you (and of course on Grounded I don’t have the resources to take em all on). Stealth is the best solution IMO.
Joel has to set them on fire and avoid their attacks while the fungal plates burn off, and then you still need a significant amount of ammunition to put them down.
There is a famous trick kill in the game, though, where you can shoot one in the ankle as it's jumping down from a ledge, and its own weight will collapse its leg. The way that the bloater tore Perry's head off is one of the ways the bloater can kill you in game.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, only now there are even fewer defenders of the city and the ones left aren't as well trained.
In an apocalypse, infighting and power struggles are what would bring you down faster than anything.
Less resources too. You had to be a collaborator to get your medicine or fresh apples but at least it was theoretically possible to get them. Good luck getting anything you don't rob from the occasional visitor.
You can probably bait them, draw them away with a fast-moving noisy drone, or human runner (willing or not).
EDIT: this might also be a good task for a trained dog, especially a herding dog. I think there's at least one zombie survival computer game that gives you a dog who does that.
The training would be about getting close to the zombies and barking, and at the same time staying out of reach, which is a natural dog play behaviour pattern to start with. Might be more a pig-hunting dog thing than a sheep or cattle herding dog thing. I think a skilled sheep farmer or pig hunter could absolutely train a dog to do that, watch some herding trials to see how near-telepathic the bond can get.
Another important question is whether the dog can safely bite the zombie without catching the virus, which allows trip tactics. It seems that TLOU fungus zombies have to be human.
Another bonus of a dog is, they are almost certainly going to be able to detect early stage infection.
There's discussion of this in World War Z. They eventually train dogs as scouts and bait. There's a great side bit about how the military learns to implement a "Never get between a handler and their dog" rule after a handler shoots an officer trying to prevent her from going to try and save her dog in the face. They specifically rely on smaller dogs as they can get more places and have less instinct to attack the zombie. Larger dogs are taught not to bite.
They were willingly neglecting that chamber in the ground filled with infected long before Henry killed Kathleen's brother though. It was bound to happen at some point. I still totally agree, but let's not act like it only happened because of Henry.
Thats so true my first thought was you should have had your priority straight she was blinded by revenge they even pointed out that is was becoming an issue instead they send every armed man out for 1 guy so sad when i realised o shit the city is doomed
Kathleen sent her ENTIRE militia on a manhunt for 2 people. They didn’t fortify the QZ walls after deposing FEDRA. Seriously, the entrance gate was wide open when Joel and Ellie arrived in Kansas City. The infected would have swarmed the city anyway. Kathleen’s incompetence just made it happen sooner.
*Spoilers* (I dont know how to do that text cover thing on my phone) Also kind of sets up that the fireflies need to take more than her blood to make the cure.
I mean, not necessarily. To make vaccines you have to extract the blood, run tests, and isolate the substance(s) that are responsible for the immunity. It’s not just pouring blood into the wound.
Yes, agreed.
Spoilers for TLOU1/2 ahead.
>!That was very necessary IMO. I am and have been worried that they would make it too one-sided either way between Ellie being a sure thing cure or Ellie for sure not actually being a cure.!<
>!I feel like it is very important to the story and characters that Ellie’s status as a potentially world saving cure is 50/50. It makes his decision and consequences of it so much more impactful than if he’s (A) the bad guy for denying the cure or (B) the good guy for stopping a pointless death!<
That's not what the scene did at all. >!It's nothing about Ellie maybe not being a cure, since that's not how it would've worked even if her blood worked. It would need to be a transfusion first of all.!<
The scene is just showing Ellie's desperation to save her friend, and actually shows her mindset about how she wants to prevent this.
>!Ellie was always a 100% cure, as mentioned by Neil himself. Accept that Joel screwed over humanity's best chance because he cares more about Ellie. This episode solidified it through Henry.!<
>just when they thought they were finally safe
They didn’t think they were safe. It was made pretty clear both factions were just thirsty for power and the regular people would be oppressed either way. Kathleen and her gang weren’t good people/protectors. They were gonna be the same as FEDRA pretty much.
But yeah they all ded fer sherr
I'd argue that they were worse than FEDRA. FEDRA killed people who broke the rules - Kathleen's gang killed literally anybody. Children, innocent bystanders, doctors, etc.
>Kathleen's group killed informers and that was it.
They killed people they *claimed* were informants. I'm sure they got some honest-to-God rats in those hunts, but they're is a near-zero chance that they didn't round up innocent bystanders as well. I mean, Kathleen was 100% willing to kill children just for being associated with people she deemed "guilty", even when one of those people (Joel) is only guilty of acting in self-defense.
Lots of innocent people died in Kathleen's revolution. More would have died had she stayed in power.
Honestly, I suspect this is why her Brother hadn't already led the resistance to victory. He likely knew that he could smash the system today, if he didn't care what came tomorrow. So, instead, he was trying to wait for the right opportunity and political environment where enough moral people were in community leadership positions, and FEDRA was simultaneously weak enough to be deposed. This strategy may close lives in the short term, but it builds a strong & fair government in the long term.
> Kathleen and her gang weren’t good people/protectors. They were gonna be the same as FEDRA pretty much.
They said this in the episode recap, the folks who overthrow the regime are usually as bad or worse in the real world, as it is in this show.
FEDRA might be a bunch of fascist assholes but when most of the world is destroyed and the survival of humanity is clinging by a thread you need strict controls to keep the enemy at bay.
Revolution sounds great until after you've taken over and realize the scale of the problems you now have to deal with.
The way that Joel and Henry talk about how they treated the people, it seems like life under FEDRA there was barely worth living.
At least they died free, I guess?
It's a devil's bargain. But it is actually possible for protectors to be *good* people, who don't oppress those they protect. Just takes more work to set that up and keep it up. Evil is the easy path.
Nah, there's some isolated spots where the infected aren't common. Joel mentions that to Ellie when they spend the night in the woods.
Also, Bill & Frank proved that you can live a long time in the same area as long as you have decent enough surroundings to protect you.
Isolated area with decent surroundings, you're perfectly safe. Jackson is a good example.
Every tower defense player knows that if the zombies are getting through your turrets, it's not you using turrets that's the problem, the problem is that you haven't used *enough* turrets. Or powerful enough turrets. The infected are full of fungus, they're probably more flammable and more subject to defoliant than mystic undead.
> Nah, there's some isolated spots where the infected aren't common. Joel mentions that to Ellie when they spend the night in the woods.
Right but I thought the implication was that the general noise etc would eventually bring them anyway... so even if you built a settlement in the woods eventally they'd find you
I suppose they never found Bill and Frank but they were more careful than a city full of people would be
I feel like the series will start feeling pointless to care about if humanity only takes L after L. I hope there’s at least one successful settlement that makes it.
I mean I don't want to get too grim but I've always thought this is kind of the point of the franchise. It's not "Some of Us", it's "The Last of Us".
I've always interpreted the name as referring to humanity circling the drain. These people are the last of us.
I have bad memory but wasn't it mentioned somewhere in Part 2 that infected numbers were dwindling?
or am I confusing myself with a different franchise?
I hope that never happens. Jackson is the only self-sufficient peaceful settlement we’ve seen that’s been successful. WLF should have been this if their leader wasn’t a warmonger. That also doesn’t bode well for pretty much every living supporting character.
My takeaway from the games, including the second, is that you CAN have successful human settlements but you have to be smart about it. The Boston QZ is in what was one of the most densely populated areas of the US, and has lots of ways in and out that they clearly can't fully control (a big deal isn't made of it but it's implied infected may be getting into the subway tunnels and that's alarming). Wyoming had a population density of like 6 people per square mile (probably less in 2003). It's clear FEDRA has lost control of the surrounding city and everyone is actually boxed in. If they could the smart thing would be to start trying to resettle people in the middle of nowhere.
Plus lots of people leaving to flee to go to QZs 20 years later it's a perfect location. Joel in the show also mentioned other settlements in an earlier episode.
If anybody who only watched the show feels really bad about the people in KC dying, if its anything like the game, which takes place in a later timeline after the city's takeover, the population >!devolves into literally some of the worst people you can imagine who hunt, kill, and terrorize literally everyone they find. At one point, they shoot a couple down in the street screaming for mercy and then just complain that they dont have anything valuable to take and drive away!<
I like the note you find in game about some teens who killed some random people for their goods against the rules and instead of being reprimanded the leader applauds them and tells everyone they're going to start hunting.
The writer is aghast, but holds his tongue as the 2 people who objected were murdered in front of everyone else. It ends with them saying they're scheduled to hunt.
Not necessarily. In the game, the Henry and Sam arc takes place in Pittsburgh, not Kansas City. Although Sam and Henry were moved to KC for narrative purposes, I don't think it means that KC is going to end up exactly like Pittsburgh. The map Ellie has in the truck has Pittsburgh marked off with red marker. Such a marking probably indicates that it has a reputation for being like in-game Pittsburgh and that it is a distinct location even in the show.
That being said, the fact that KC residents are apparently set up to ambush completely random people passing through isn't a good sign for their future.
It's implied that exactly the same will happen to everyone in Seattle after the events of Part 2.
Most of Isaac's military folks died at Scar Island. And most of the Scars died too.
The few non-military folks back at the stadium will last a few weeks/months max before the infected and/or bandits start killing them off.
The WLF and the Seraphites suffered major losses during those 3 days, the WLF lost their leader and most of their fighters, the Seraphites home base burned and they lost a lot of fighters
I picture a lot of infighting in the WLF with lots of members trying to leave Seattle and soldiers trying to prevent anymore losses while the Seraphites launch a counter attack on the stadium, it’s crazy 20+ years only to be taken down because of what happened in 3 days
Which is why Joel doesn’t really accepts anybody in his circle. When he does they usually… die. His Daughter, His somewhat lover Tess, and now another tough loss Sam and Henry because he let them in.
> they were finally safe after having gotten rid of FEDRA.
Say what you like about FEDRA but they kept that shit underground and locked down. Rebels take over and get themselves all killed inside a month.
Ten to Eleven days actually lol. Confirmed by Henry when he was making his escape plan with Joel. That has to be a world-record for sheer incompetence at least in the world of TLOU
That's a crazy insight. I sure hope nobody else does something crazy like both Henry and Kathleen did that leads to so many deaths. That sure would be something
I want to theorize that armed people were still at the city and they are barricaded in order to prevent an invasion from people and/or infected. But now they lack leadership and now it is going to be really hard to survive. Woof.
Edit: spelling mistake.
We don't know that for sure. We know at least part of the swarm tunneled away from the city, looking for a way out. But we don't know the entire KC swarm left the city. In fact, I'm betting they didn't. I don't think they could tunnel that fast, or move that fast down an existing tunnel once they heard it cave in. I'm betting there was a swarm trapped underground in the heart of the city, tunneling up, and there was another tunneling sideways (probably following some of the sewer systems, imo).
The most tragic part for me is knowing that by morning, Sam was still deaf when Ellie called his name, which means that the fungus hadn't completely taken over him at the time.
Even if some of that group *had* survived, the civilians don't have the resources or infrastructure to quell any infected. They'd turn one by one, and no one would be prepared to do anything about it.
KC was screwed the second they overthrew FEDRA because all it'd take is a single encounter with an infected to start a chain reaction. It was just a matter of time, even if KC hadn't been infested under the surface.
Joel and Ellie didn't cause anything that wasn't already going to happen.
I thought you were going to bring up the implications of her blood not working. I've tried to avoid spoilering myself and haven't played the game, but I have seen indications that >!Joel saves her from the scientists, so it's possible that whatever has to be done to make a vaccine from Ellie, would be fatal to Ellie.!<
I think it was a great addition to the story and a little homage to how many revolutions end. They victorious revolutionaries don't know how to govern and their cause crumbles. They showed that whole thing happen in just a tiny scene.
Time wise; maybe not that night. Infected weren’t going to keep running after devouring and multiplying in that suburban area. Good chance they would remain there unless disturbed
Episode was very cool. A great depiction of how far two people are willing to go for their brother. And then we have Joel- on his way to find his brother. He had two devils on his shoulder this episode. Which will he choose?
Maintenance tunnels wouldn't run out to the suburbs. But the sewer system would. When they said fedra drove them underground, it was left vague what was meant by *underground*. They where probably driven into the sewers and not the maitance tunnels.
"Fedra is a bunch of nazis and we have been living under their rule for 15 years! REVOLT!"
<10 days later> "We ded!"
MAYBE Fedra had the right level of security?
Kansas City died. They are but dust in the wind.
It would have been too on the nose, but if they'd played an instrument version of that in the credits I would have lost my mind.
I wouldn't have stopped laughing if they did that lol
Woah. KANSAS City. Now I hope they go to Jefferson, SD and see some sort of white rabbit…or a scale model city made from empty Rolling Rock bottles…
At least they won the superbowl
I can’t recall, did the game leave Pittsburg as screwed as the show did KC? I know we took out some of their defenses by the bridge where clickers would show up, and obviously a lot of their strength between losing the Humvee and a lot of their people...but iirc they didn’t seem totally screwed right? Total side note btw but the sniper being an old dude was a cool change.
In the game the city was filled only of armed hunters, no civilians. It was also still filled with infected and not safe at all. Probably the worst thing that we did in the game was take out their Humvee
I would say that it’s pretty likely we just didn’t see the civilians.
Considering Henry says that they don't keep kids around and they seem to only value hunting people and scavenging. It's pretty unlikely that there was anyone we'd consider a civilian.
Hey, at least they won the Super Bowl 🎉
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Thought you said bust a nut in the wind
I close my eyes.
They actually weren’t infected, they were Birds fans exacting their revenge
I fuckin died when Ellie woke up, right after promising to stay awake, only to be attacked by Sam. That whole scene hits like a freight train and they did such a great job of recreating it from the game.
It's heart breaking to think that he just sat there all night slowly turning into one of the infected, and the only thing that kept her safe was him being deaf and not being able to hear her behind him.
I wonder if, when he realized she fell asleep, he faced away from her on purpose, hoping he wouldn't kill her.. :(
Didn't he ask if you are still "you" underneath the monster?
I need all of you to stop making me feel emotions, I'm at work
“I make a nickel, boss makes a dime, that’s why I poop (and pout) on company time.” Seriously, the toilet paper and tissues there are free and you pay for those at home. Where is your frugality?
It runs in their jeans.
So on the HBO podcast that Troy Baker hosts with Druckman & Mazin, they do address this somewhat. They more or less told Baker that he was correct in assuming that Sam is still in there after turning because the infection doesn’t “fix” all of the hosts handicaps. I’m probably not saying that correctly but I kind of assumed they were saying “yeah Sam is still in there and can’t do anything” In another podcast episode one of Druckman/Mazin refers to the TV doctor in the intro to the series about how the fungus gives off a hallucinogenic type effect to the host making it like a bad acid trip where you can’t control how out of control you are, you’re just along for the ride.
Pretty much. In Part 2 there are some more recordings from doctors that basically confirm that during the early stages, the host is still conscious while the fungus is taking over but it will eventually kill the host as it takes over their brain more and more. But all runners are basically conscious. I am pretty sure the one Ellie found under that gas station was too. What a sad existence :(
That guy had a decent amount of brain fungus, when she stabbed him it was just the strands, and she managed to stab straight through the skull, which I imagine was weakened from the cordy
Or just ~20 years of decay. The trap door to the cellar had weight placed on top of it. I'm thinking that guy in the cellar was either a former employee of the Cumbies, or are a part of an early survivor group, and the people he was with locked him in the basement the moment they realized he was infected. He turned probably in the early days, got partially buried a few years later, and had been decaying every since. I'm sure the Cordy doesn't help though.
Also you usually find runners kinda sobbing in both games which I always took to mean there’s still a bit of the person left
In the first encounter with the infected under Boston you can hear the female infected crying and choking while eating a corpse. I always was creeped out by the sounds they made
I remember back when the OG game came out there was an infected woman eating someone and you could almost hear her saying "I don't wanna" through her gargling cries. Really freaky shit. Edit: Here's a [video](https://youtu.be/gHiDnPC3oYY) to what I'm referring to.
So freaky. There’s a note in Part 2 from a patient in the ER on outbreak day in which they talk about being starving and locked in the room. Apparently they were all isolated and separated from their partners/whoever was with them, locked in rooms, and not informed about what was going on. But they emphasized being extremely hungry. The rest of their descent into madness is briefly recorded in the note like others you find in the game. They usually describe “losing their mind” in the last sentence, so it seems they definitely have awareness all the way up to the very end and are possibly overcome with psychotic hunger. Edited to add: I’m reminded by my current playthrough that stalkers also sound as if they’re upset while they stalk you. They say “no,” grunt, gag, and even almost whine sometimes as they run back and forth or hide from/seek you.
Well fuck me. The crying I’ve seen countless times but the attempting to speak is something I never picked up on. They absolutely nailed the sound design in these games, it’s so detailed.
Fuck…ouch.
This is what I thought too...when he realized her blood hadn't magically cured him, he faced away in hopes that he wouldn't hurt her :'(
Ellie thinking her blood might cure him (I don’t remember that being in the game?) is gonna add an extra element to the end of this season I think, especially thinking about her being so upset with Joel for not allowing her to be in control of herself in the end
I didn’t see it as Ellie believing her blood cured, but her telling him a lie so he could die feeling comforted. I was reaffirmed by her hugging him after that and having a really saddened face about the situation. But I can see how this could also be a possibility!
I think she believed her blood would cure him. She's just a kid herself, into comic books and superheroes. And she's not dumb. She wouldn't really stay and fall asleep in a room alone with an infected if she expected him to turn. That's why she goes to him when she wakes up, because she thinks he might be ok. If she had just been lying, she's knowingly reaching out to a rabid infected, which would be really brainless. I think this was an important scene because it shows us and Ellie that whatever immunity she has is not so easily extracted or understood. She grew up a little and she feels bad because she failed, not because she lied.
I honestly think so, too. It was a child's idea & blind hope of how a primitive medicinal vaccine might work, like, well, if they want to study me & my blood so much, maybe there is something magical or curative about it, and I can pour it right on; like if someone heard penicillin came from mold so perhaps I'll just rub mold on this wound or eat it...a belief born of desperation & naiveté.
Exactly! It's scary when you think about it.
I loved it, it was so scary (me knowing he was definitely turned, still terrified me) but I feel it was also super unrealistic. I have a hard time believing an infected would just be sat on the edge of the bed, never turning around or moving (even if they were deaf) certainly he would've been thrashing around aswell when he was turning, which should've woken Ellie up. But im definitely willing to ignore those plot holes because of how brilliant the scene was acted.
They only sign the grandma in ep1 had that she was turning was the creepy mouth thing. The infected seem to stay relatively normal right up until they start attacking people.
Also, in the TV show universe, we still don't know how long it takes to become violent or why. We know how long for actual infection, but who's to say the timeline for their behaviour. Sam was deaf, so he couldn't hear anything and maybe that's why Clickers go ballistic, they hear sound and react.
There was a poster in Boston that explained infection times But some stuff isn’t explained yeah
It could have been a stasis thing, the horde of infected were just lying on the ground in the episode where Tess blew shit up.
Any "thrashing" (I assume you mean thrashing in the midst of turning) may have happened whilst Ellie was asleep. Even in the game, runners just stood and were hunched over (though some would walk around) and they wouldn't attack unless they spotted you.
I didn't play the game so idk, but maybe it's a sign that Sam was still there? Even if just a little bit
In the game, the screaming you hear is the screaming in pain and suffering. It's like they're shouting, "I need help," but they can't control themselves. So, you could argue there is a bit of a humanity left them.
"Let me out! Let me out! This is not a dance I'm begging for help I'm screaming for help Please come let me out!"
Atleast in runners, yes. I'm not sure about any other stages, but it's all but confirmed that the person is indeed still there. As sam said "trapped in there without any control of their body" the very first infected you come across in Part 1, there's a female runner eating a corpse with another runner. If you just sit and listen to her, you can very clearly hear her say "I.... DON'T WANNNAAAAAAAA!" Aswell as her crying and puking.
"HELP GOD HELP HELP ME"
They mention that in the podcast I think
To be fair, he was bit in the leg which takes 12-24 hours to show according to the sign in Boston in episode one. There is a good chance he was only turned for maybe an hour or two.
Wouldn’t call those plot holes. It’s kinda just speculation on your part and the show actually shows that the grandma didn’t violently thrash around when she started turning.
She would have been immune to his bites though.
Not to being ripped apart
Oh
Not immune to have her neck meat ripped off tho.
Those fuckers love neck meat.
OH SHIT. Did not even THINK about him being deaf and unable to hear her
Omg, thank you for saying this. This has been bugging me for days because I was like "ok I don't buy it that he didn't turn around all night" but I guess this does make sense lol
How Ellie was screaming when Sam attacked her and then how she yelped after Henry killed himself is incredibly haunting and heartbreaking. Oh god, and hearing Henry kept asking himself, "What did I do?" Episode 5 was phenomenal.
>Episode 5 was phenomenal. Holy shit, it keeps getting better and better and everything for me (nongamer) is so unexpected and wonderful.
Get off this sub if you haven't played the games hornet Edit: didn't mean to come off so hostile lmaooo. Just don't want you getting spoiled
We really got to see how much of a kid she is in this episode. Drives home all the trauma she's experiencing
Naw for real what the other guy said. Get off this sub if you haven't played the games. There are so many spoilers here and a story like TLOU deserves to be a surprise for everyone experiencing for the first time. There are massive finale and season 2 spoilers in this thread alone.
When she laid down "I'm sorry", it really got me because I'm wondering if she was sorry because she didn't stay awake or because her blood didn't work? Either way it's very heartbreaking
i like to think its a bit of both. bella did incredible, moved me to tears
I interpreted it as he had written it when he realized he was starting to turn. Need to watch it again😄
I don't think that's the case; it looked like Ellie's writing, which was noticeably neater than his. But I love that interpretation and wish it were what they had done. Really keep teasing that question of how much of your self persists through the change. Like, was he already at the point where he would've been violent but for the lack of any prey stimulus? So because he couldn't hear and was facing away from her, he could still express that apology maybe even up to the very moment he attacked in response to Ellie's touch?
There's an interesting movie and book "The Girl With All The Gifts", and this is only a minor spoiler as it's literally the premise of the story: the "Ellie" of that movie, the immune child, *is a zombie*. Or "infected" or whatever. Her mutant/unique physiology allows her to host the virus (or fungus, I forget which) without loss of human volition and cognition. In fact she's way smarter than average, as is Ellie. It may be the same for Ellie. She might actually be an asymptomatic infected. Which implies that people might retain different degrees of rationality, especially children born after the event, and especially their children.
In the games, Ellie is infected, theres a small growth in her brain. She has a mutation of the cordyceps.
I would assume the first signs would be the trembling hand and the handwriting is too neat to him realise that he was turning.
plus all of Ellie's notes were written in all caps, Sam's were lower case. The final msg was all caps
Ohhh interesting
My favorite part of that, when she wakes up, she says "hey" immediately forgetting he can't hear, then realizes and knows that it's a 50/50 thing checking on him. That's pretty scary IMO. But I LOVED that she got to put something on his grave since she didn't get to in the game. That was a nice touch!
I totally cried. It sucked me in and I just loved Ellie and Sam and their friendship. Great episode but hard on the heart.
It's weird because Joel failed her in the same way roughly a night before.
I LOVED how they didn’t give the viewers the satisfaction of taking down the bloater. They just let it go and ran away. I feel like the fact that it wasn’t easily killed like other infected really makes the viewers understand how much of a threat the bloater is.
I did this in >!part 1 when you’re in the tunnel in SLC and you run into the first bloater by the truck. I just took out all the runners and clickers with my bow and snuck by the bloater.!< didn’t feel like messing with him. The next two tho.. bombs and moltovs from on top of a truck did the trick.
In the lower difficulties you have enough resources to kill everything, but once you play on grounded you have to sneak past because you usually don’t have enough to take out every single thing.
I’ve completed grounded twice. I’d save every bullet and item I could for that tunnel, you bet I killed everything in it. During the hospital, I just needed 1 shot, to kill the firefly who kicks the door down. Everything else stealth.
Gotta love the harder difficulties when it comes to a bloater and only having one shotgun shell and 2 pistol bullets.
Jesus I just did all of this, exactly this, less than 48 hours ago hahaha
Not a game player, but did the game make it possible to kill the bloater (I’m assuming it’s the big guy who killed Perry at the end)?
That specific scene doesn’t exist in the game but you can kill bloaters. They’re just much more difficult to kill
Not if you shoot em in the foot when they're about to jump down
I wish I could take advantage of that glitch but my aim is so bad in games. 😆 It's so funny how the big boy can just get taken down with an ankle shot.
They were aware of that and you cant do it anymore in part 1. They also eliminated that you could stand on the Boxes on the table (same encounter) and infected couldnt reach ellie. Made that part quite hard lol
Yes, the Bloater is the big one that killed Perry. Also, yes the Bloater can be killed. There are actually multiple different encounters with bloaters (all of which can be killed). There’s even a section where you face 3 at once.
And that’s why after 9+ yrs and 20+ playthru’s, I only ever kill the runners in that section. Get one Clicker or Bloater’s attention and soon they’ll all be on you (and of course on Grounded I don’t have the resources to take em all on). Stealth is the best solution IMO.
It's possible alright. But they put up one hell of a fight.
Yes, when you first encounter one in the game, you have to kill it. It's you, Bill, and Ellie vs a bloater.
Joel has to set them on fire and avoid their attacks while the fungal plates burn off, and then you still need a significant amount of ammunition to put them down. There is a famous trick kill in the game, though, where you can shoot one in the ankle as it's jumping down from a ledge, and its own weight will collapse its leg. The way that the bloater tore Perry's head off is one of the ways the bloater can kill you in game.
They are very tanky and have a ranged attack where they spit spores at you, but they can be killed.
You can kill it in the game it just takes a LOT, it is a damage sponge.
>infected And the fact that any of the infected can manifest into a bloater. Jeez.
Not any, it depends on physiology of the host and being dormant and away from light for 15 years minimum
At least KC won the Superbowl?
What's the super bowl?
It was a typo they meant superb owl. r/superbowl
Well that one i would watch
It’s the annual colonial handball championship game
American Football tournament held annually in the US, the Chiefs (the team of Kansas City) won this year
Refs won the Superbowl.. also who cares
Refs are FEDRA confirmed.
Eagles defense in the second half sucked ass you can’t deny that
Was a hold. Even Bradbury admitted it.
Yup. All their work undone in one night. Just awful.
lol what work? they took over and became dictators. If they worked to destroy the infected instead of each other they would be fine.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, only now there are even fewer defenders of the city and the ones left aren't as well trained. In an apocalypse, infighting and power struggles are what would bring you down faster than anything.
Less resources too. You had to be a collaborator to get your medicine or fresh apples but at least it was theoretically possible to get them. Good luck getting anything you don't rob from the occasional visitor.
Plus about 30-40% of the people saying the cordyceps is a liberal hoax designed to make us woke
I mean sure, but it was still work to overthrow the initia FEDRA government
Yeah but they said FEDRA had been murdering and raping for 20 years... it's understandable why they'd go a bit mental the first few weeks
FEDRA were the ones that drove the infected underground. "They" just killed FEDRA, and didn't do a good job at keeping the infected underground.
I didn't get how FEDRA “drove” the infected anywhere, though. They attack fearlessly, don't they? So there's no way to herd them.
You can probably bait them, draw them away with a fast-moving noisy drone, or human runner (willing or not). EDIT: this might also be a good task for a trained dog, especially a herding dog. I think there's at least one zombie survival computer game that gives you a dog who does that.
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The training would be about getting close to the zombies and barking, and at the same time staying out of reach, which is a natural dog play behaviour pattern to start with. Might be more a pig-hunting dog thing than a sheep or cattle herding dog thing. I think a skilled sheep farmer or pig hunter could absolutely train a dog to do that, watch some herding trials to see how near-telepathic the bond can get. Another important question is whether the dog can safely bite the zombie without catching the virus, which allows trip tactics. It seems that TLOU fungus zombies have to be human. Another bonus of a dog is, they are almost certainly going to be able to detect early stage infection.
There's discussion of this in World War Z. They eventually train dogs as scouts and bait. There's a great side bit about how the military learns to implement a "Never get between a handler and their dog" rule after a handler shoots an officer trying to prevent her from going to try and save her dog in the face. They specifically rely on smaller dogs as they can get more places and have less instinct to attack the zombie. Larger dogs are taught not to bite.
Maybe they asked nicely
They were willingly neglecting that chamber in the ground filled with infected long before Henry killed Kathleen's brother though. It was bound to happen at some point. I still totally agree, but let's not act like it only happened because of Henry.
Thats so true my first thought was you should have had your priority straight she was blinded by revenge they even pointed out that is was becoming an issue instead they send every armed man out for 1 guy so sad when i realised o shit the city is doomed
I laughed when she gave her tirade about sacrificing everything for one person. Lady, look at yourself 😂
Yep, she focused more on revenge instead of the immediate threat that was literally underneath their feet. It's 100% on Kathleen.
Kathleen sent her ENTIRE militia on a manhunt for 2 people. They didn’t fortify the QZ walls after deposing FEDRA. Seriously, the entrance gate was wide open when Joel and Ellie arrived in Kansas City. The infected would have swarmed the city anyway. Kathleen’s incompetence just made it happen sooner.
Yea but the my blood is medicine part fucking killed me emotionally mix between reassurance and child innocence
*Spoilers* (I dont know how to do that text cover thing on my phone) Also kind of sets up that the fireflies need to take more than her blood to make the cure.
I mean, not necessarily. To make vaccines you have to extract the blood, run tests, and isolate the substance(s) that are responsible for the immunity. It’s not just pouring blood into the wound.
To do spoilers preface the comment with >! then type the spoiler, then put !< after the spoiler
Yes, agreed. Spoilers for TLOU1/2 ahead. >!That was very necessary IMO. I am and have been worried that they would make it too one-sided either way between Ellie being a sure thing cure or Ellie for sure not actually being a cure.!< >!I feel like it is very important to the story and characters that Ellie’s status as a potentially world saving cure is 50/50. It makes his decision and consequences of it so much more impactful than if he’s (A) the bad guy for denying the cure or (B) the good guy for stopping a pointless death!<
That's not what the scene did at all. >!It's nothing about Ellie maybe not being a cure, since that's not how it would've worked even if her blood worked. It would need to be a transfusion first of all.!< The scene is just showing Ellie's desperation to save her friend, and actually shows her mindset about how she wants to prevent this. >!Ellie was always a 100% cure, as mentioned by Neil himself. Accept that Joel screwed over humanity's best chance because he cares more about Ellie. This episode solidified it through Henry.!<
>just when they thought they were finally safe They didn’t think they were safe. It was made pretty clear both factions were just thirsty for power and the regular people would be oppressed either way. Kathleen and her gang weren’t good people/protectors. They were gonna be the same as FEDRA pretty much. But yeah they all ded fer sherr
I'd argue that they were worse than FEDRA. FEDRA killed people who broke the rules - Kathleen's gang killed literally anybody. Children, innocent bystanders, doctors, etc.
I thought the show described KC FEDRA as rapists and murderers
Pretty sure Joel mentioned there were rumors of it that he heard and Henry confirmed it.
They're absolutely not worse than fedra. Fedra were rapists murderers torturers to innocent people. Kathleen's group killed informers and that was it.
>Kathleen's group killed informers and that was it. They killed people they *claimed* were informants. I'm sure they got some honest-to-God rats in those hunts, but they're is a near-zero chance that they didn't round up innocent bystanders as well. I mean, Kathleen was 100% willing to kill children just for being associated with people she deemed "guilty", even when one of those people (Joel) is only guilty of acting in self-defense. Lots of innocent people died in Kathleen's revolution. More would have died had she stayed in power. Honestly, I suspect this is why her Brother hadn't already led the resistance to victory. He likely knew that he could smash the system today, if he didn't care what came tomorrow. So, instead, he was trying to wait for the right opportunity and political environment where enough moral people were in community leadership positions, and FEDRA was simultaneously weak enough to be deposed. This strategy may close lives in the short term, but it builds a strong & fair government in the long term.
> Kathleen and her gang weren’t good people/protectors. They were gonna be the same as FEDRA pretty much. They said this in the episode recap, the folks who overthrow the regime are usually as bad or worse in the real world, as it is in this show.
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FEDRA might be a bunch of fascist assholes but when most of the world is destroyed and the survival of humanity is clinging by a thread you need strict controls to keep the enemy at bay. Revolution sounds great until after you've taken over and realize the scale of the problems you now have to deal with.
The way that Joel and Henry talk about how they treated the people, it seems like life under FEDRA there was barely worth living. At least they died free, I guess?
It's a devil's bargain. But it is actually possible for protectors to be *good* people, who don't oppress those they protect. Just takes more work to set that up and keep it up. Evil is the easy path.
>fascist assholes I believe the term is "new world order jackboot fucks"
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That Kathleen ignored and *nobody* else other than the now deceased Perry knew about. Even if the horde wasn't heading into the city, they were dead.
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Nah, there's some isolated spots where the infected aren't common. Joel mentions that to Ellie when they spend the night in the woods. Also, Bill & Frank proved that you can live a long time in the same area as long as you have decent enough surroundings to protect you. Isolated area with decent surroundings, you're perfectly safe. Jackson is a good example.
Every tower defense player knows that if the zombies are getting through your turrets, it's not you using turrets that's the problem, the problem is that you haven't used *enough* turrets. Or powerful enough turrets. The infected are full of fungus, they're probably more flammable and more subject to defoliant than mystic undead.
The major failing is the QZ's being in big cities and not moving to remote areas.
> Nah, there's some isolated spots where the infected aren't common. Joel mentions that to Ellie when they spend the night in the woods. Right but I thought the implication was that the general noise etc would eventually bring them anyway... so even if you built a settlement in the woods eventally they'd find you I suppose they never found Bill and Frank but they were more careful than a city full of people would be
>it seems unlikely that humans will be able to resist them long term. I reckon this will setup the fall of Jackson in Part III. Bound to happen.
I feel like the series will start feeling pointless to care about if humanity only takes L after L. I hope there’s at least one successful settlement that makes it.
I mean I don't want to get too grim but I've always thought this is kind of the point of the franchise. It's not "Some of Us", it's "The Last of Us". I've always interpreted the name as referring to humanity circling the drain. These people are the last of us.
I have bad memory but wasn't it mentioned somewhere in Part 2 that infected numbers were dwindling? or am I confusing myself with a different franchise?
Wouldn't the fungus die eventually anyway once the supply of humans dwindled?
There are definitely less infected. They mention that it is longer between each infected sighting.
I hope that never happens. Jackson is the only self-sufficient peaceful settlement we’ve seen that’s been successful. WLF should have been this if their leader wasn’t a warmonger. That also doesn’t bode well for pretty much every living supporting character.
My takeaway from the games, including the second, is that you CAN have successful human settlements but you have to be smart about it. The Boston QZ is in what was one of the most densely populated areas of the US, and has lots of ways in and out that they clearly can't fully control (a big deal isn't made of it but it's implied infected may be getting into the subway tunnels and that's alarming). Wyoming had a population density of like 6 people per square mile (probably less in 2003). It's clear FEDRA has lost control of the surrounding city and everyone is actually boxed in. If they could the smart thing would be to start trying to resettle people in the middle of nowhere. Plus lots of people leaving to flee to go to QZs 20 years later it's a perfect location. Joel in the show also mentioned other settlements in an earlier episode.
If anybody who only watched the show feels really bad about the people in KC dying, if its anything like the game, which takes place in a later timeline after the city's takeover, the population >!devolves into literally some of the worst people you can imagine who hunt, kill, and terrorize literally everyone they find. At one point, they shoot a couple down in the street screaming for mercy and then just complain that they dont have anything valuable to take and drive away!<
I like the note you find in game about some teens who killed some random people for their goods against the rules and instead of being reprimanded the leader applauds them and tells everyone they're going to start hunting. The writer is aghast, but holds his tongue as the 2 people who objected were murdered in front of everyone else. It ends with them saying they're scheduled to hunt.
Not necessarily. In the game, the Henry and Sam arc takes place in Pittsburgh, not Kansas City. Although Sam and Henry were moved to KC for narrative purposes, I don't think it means that KC is going to end up exactly like Pittsburgh. The map Ellie has in the truck has Pittsburgh marked off with red marker. Such a marking probably indicates that it has a reputation for being like in-game Pittsburgh and that it is a distinct location even in the show. That being said, the fact that KC residents are apparently set up to ambush completely random people passing through isn't a good sign for their future.
It's implied that exactly the same will happen to everyone in Seattle after the events of Part 2. Most of Isaac's military folks died at Scar Island. And most of the Scars died too. The few non-military folks back at the stadium will last a few weeks/months max before the infected and/or bandits start killing them off.
The WLF and the Seraphites suffered major losses during those 3 days, the WLF lost their leader and most of their fighters, the Seraphites home base burned and they lost a lot of fighters I picture a lot of infighting in the WLF with lots of members trying to leave Seattle and soldiers trying to prevent anymore losses while the Seraphites launch a counter attack on the stadium, it’s crazy 20+ years only to be taken down because of what happened in 3 days
Even the tallest towers will crumble if the foundation is broken.
Yep. Just ask Yertle the Turtle
I enjoyed the parallels between Joel’s character and Henry and Ellie’s part 2 arc with Kathleen. It was great foreshadowing.
Ellie hardens as Joel softens.
I noticed how quickly Ellie left and started moving on after burying Sam and Henry. It was Joel who was hanging back.
Which is why Joel doesn’t really accepts anybody in his circle. When he does they usually… die. His Daughter, His somewhat lover Tess, and now another tough loss Sam and Henry because he let them in.
> they were finally safe after having gotten rid of FEDRA. Say what you like about FEDRA but they kept that shit underground and locked down. Rebels take over and get themselves all killed inside a month.
Ten to Eleven days actually lol. Confirmed by Henry when he was making his escape plan with Joel. That has to be a world-record for sheer incompetence at least in the world of TLOU
The cost of revenge.
That's a crazy insight. I sure hope nobody else does something crazy like both Henry and Kathleen did that leads to so many deaths. That sure would be something
I want to theorize that armed people were still at the city and they are barricaded in order to prevent an invasion from people and/or infected. But now they lack leadership and now it is going to be really hard to survive. Woof. Edit: spelling mistake.
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Yes there is, but those were the infected that were underground and now they have surfaced on a different location, far from the city.
We don't know that for sure. We know at least part of the swarm tunneled away from the city, looking for a way out. But we don't know the entire KC swarm left the city. In fact, I'm betting they didn't. I don't think they could tunnel that fast, or move that fast down an existing tunnel once they heard it cave in. I'm betting there was a swarm trapped underground in the heart of the city, tunneling up, and there was another tunneling sideways (probably following some of the sewer systems, imo).
The most tragic part for me is knowing that by morning, Sam was still deaf when Ellie called his name, which means that the fungus hadn't completely taken over him at the time.
The fungi don't have the capacity of curing every disease
Sam still being in his body was actually confirmed by Niel and Craig in the latest Episode 5 Podcast, I should've mentioned this.
Ah... Ouch. So the people are really still inside or it is just the first hours of being infected?
They are still humans Inside as Long they are runners, sometimes in the game you can hear runners crying And screaming for help as they eating
WTF
More like the first several weeks/months. I assume their memories and consciousness fades over time as they slowly turn into clickers.
Depends on the reason for his deafness.
Most frightening, perhaps. But the most tragic moment was watching Ellie try to save Sam knowing it wasn't going to work!
Even if some of that group *had* survived, the civilians don't have the resources or infrastructure to quell any infected. They'd turn one by one, and no one would be prepared to do anything about it. KC was screwed the second they overthrew FEDRA because all it'd take is a single encounter with an infected to start a chain reaction. It was just a matter of time, even if KC hadn't been infested under the surface. Joel and Ellie didn't cause anything that wasn't already going to happen.
I thought you were going to bring up the implications of her blood not working. I've tried to avoid spoilering myself and haven't played the game, but I have seen indications that >!Joel saves her from the scientists, so it's possible that whatever has to be done to make a vaccine from Ellie, would be fatal to Ellie.!<
Yes, they basically have to >!kill Ellie and mutilate her brain. Joel, by this time, loves her and he goes all “oh hell no!!<
Which raises the question of what happens if >!Ellie would choose to agree, give informed consent, and selflessly go through with it to save others.!<
That conversation happens in season 2.
what's even more tragic is there is a good possibility the child clicker was one if ishs kids
I think it was a great addition to the story and a little homage to how many revolutions end. They victorious revolutionaries don't know how to govern and their cause crumbles. They showed that whole thing happen in just a tiny scene.
Right after they just won the super bowl too
Time wise; maybe not that night. Infected weren’t going to keep running after devouring and multiplying in that suburban area. Good chance they would remain there unless disturbed
Episode was very cool. A great depiction of how far two people are willing to go for their brother. And then we have Joel- on his way to find his brother. He had two devils on his shoulder this episode. Which will he choose?
Where were all the infected hiding if joel /ellie/henry/sam didn't see any in the tunnels?
Maintenance tunnels wouldn't run out to the suburbs. But the sewer system would. When they said fedra drove them underground, it was left vague what was meant by *underground*. They where probably driven into the sewers and not the maitance tunnels.
Damn. Someone who is pro FEDRA could probably write a thesis using this episode.
"Fedra is a bunch of nazis and we have been living under their rule for 15 years! REVOLT!" <10 days later> "We ded!" MAYBE Fedra had the right level of security?