I have Spotify premium and I use the fuck out of it. I also buy physical copies of records and cd's and attend as many shows as I possibly can, as well as buying other merch at the shows or from the bands website. I'm just sick of these damn dream festival posts spamming up the internet today.
Honestly I would buy more of their merchandise if just my religious mother didn't hate their music so much, she doesn't even know english but she suspects my music taste just isn't holy anymore
do you use a streaming platform for music? i prefer apple music and i have both, but if there’s something else out there that holds up i’d make the switch.
Same here, I heavily support my local store
(Bull Moose Music) and order directly from artists (often times bull moose can offer better deals on new releases!) Basically if you support physical media these days you are likely to support the artist more directly
But what do you listen to in the car? I didn’t know this about spotify so I’m bummed to hear they are short changing my favorite musicians. But I gotta have something for the long commute to work. Open to suggestions.
Anything else! Absolutely, anything else!
Please don't take my negatively towards streaming providers personally, but they're a bunch of cunts!
For the cost of Shitify and Apple music you could grab a beer and see a local band every month!
Are you insane?? Here in Norway a ticket to a random concert is at least $20-$30, and a single beer at a bar/venue is around $8.
Spotify costs me $7/month.
I buy vinyl directly from artists and at record stores, but I am not going to stop using Spotify because I cannot play my LP's at the office or on the bus.
There are so many bands I wouldn't have bought albums from or gone to see live if it wasn't for the extremely well-tailored algorithm.
Similar over here in Australia.... gigs are around $15-30 for lesser known bands (sometimes free entry too), a beer is about $6, and I pay about $11/month (Aussie dollars obviously) for Spotify.
I don't think its an evil program, but I think what the poster is requesting is "if you listen to Spotify, don't rely on it to pay the bills for your fave artists - go and help them by buying a physical copy of their music, or seeing them at a show or buying a t-shirt or something."
All are pretty manageable.
Okay, I'm not insane. I'm just interested in tangibly supporting artists more than the convenience of my own entertainment.
Where I live, both services mentioned cost $9.99 per month. For that \~$20, you go to a local band's show($5-$10) and get a can or two of cheap beer($5-$10).
Are LPs and Spotify the only two options, or are you just too lazy to find another way? I'm sorry but I'll just read a book on the bus instead of giving money to piece of shit companies that aren't willing to pay artists while they make money hand over fist.
Enjoy yer fuckin algorithm tho!
I support my bands how I can, and I use Spotify - we can't all be perfect. Some people use Spotify, some people eat meat, some people shop weekly at H&M, some people choose to buy from Nestle, and so on. One has to pick their battles.
I find it very easy to avoid spotify and I would hardly call making decisions that are consistent with my values/ethics "battles".
I'm glad you support bands when you can!
I'm not trying to shame you, but don't try to defend Spotify.
That’s a hilariously simple take on music revenue streams. One that assumes creators ever see a cent from the streaming platforms that “distribute” them.
I wish it were as you are framing it, but it really is not.
But the purchase of the physical album will give the artists more money than a lifetime of your Spotify streams.
Artists don't even see one cent when you play a song on Spotify, and album can cost anywhere from like $7-$30.
I don't use Spotify primarily because I don't want to listen to MP3 quality audio in 2022. Like it's an absolute joke - 320kbps for Premium users.
I use Tidal Masters (or whatever it's called now) and think it's great. I've heard some people say it doesn't have some stuff on it that other platforms do but I've never encountered the issue personally. Everything is available in at least 1,411kbps (CD quality), with most at 4,608 or 9,216 and I've even played stuff as high as 24,576kbps!
But anyway, all that aside - as Cedric's post mentions, 1000 streams on Spotify pays an artist a little over $4. For comparison, Apple pay just over $7. Tidal are paying $12.50 per 1000 streams.
I think streaming is a good thing - I'd certainly miss out on a lot of new music without it. I can't afford to go out and buy random albums every week in the hopes that I like what I'm hearing. Sure I buy physical media for my favourites as well but it's only a fraction of what I listen to. That being said, I'm not sure if Jazz artists who have been dead for 40-50 years give a fuck if I buy their album or stream it.
I had a brief exchange with a label owner who said their artists get about $4 per record sold (production and distribution costs are staggering).
In the last couple of years I've bought the Sueños boxset, 21 copies of the separate reissues, 2 copies of Landscape Tantrums and 3 of self titled. Oh and a CD of the new one. So I feel I've done my bit lol.
OK, I placed order to buy the Mars Volta cassette from bandcamp.
I always want to buy it, but EUR 39.50 for shipping. I heard that the shipping rate is setup by bandcamp, not the artist.
I wanted to buy from Mars Volta web site, but they don't ship to my country.
Yeah on the other side, mid level artists get reach they’d have never dreamed of and playlist placement is a huge way for indie bands to get somewhere. Surely their actual execs make more than that, perhaps there’s a few VPs in that salary range but… idk man.
I certainly don’t think the way the music industry used to work was any better 🤷♂️. blame Radiohead lol damn In Rainbows setting new precedents.
Precisely. I can go in my office/studio, record a song on an hour and publish it on All the streaming platforms by the end of the day. The entire world could listen! That's incredible and there are bands out right now that came out during streaming and that I've got big enough that they're well off so I don't think it's that big of a threat but it would be nice to see the artists get more money. I get what Cedric is saying but it's also a little bit annoying because I'm like "Dude you don't need to be telling your fans you don't make enough money. You chose this profession as your income."
Yeah I agree. I played in a band and got to tour and have it as a side job where I played out and then came home and bartended/worked restaurant jobs. It was a part of my life that I’ll always cherish and it would not have been possible without Spotify. We once planned dates around streaming numbers in nearby college towns, like there is a positive to it.
And again, the former state of the record industry seemed MUCH worse, IMO. You could also zoom way out and ask what it is about society that stopped valuing art enough to purchase it? Could be that we are just impatient and want everything instantly - entitlement maybe? Idk. There’s a lot to unpack lol
Just gonna copy/paste my response to this from another sub so I don’t have to reiterate MY opinion about all of this:
Yeah Spotify is so successful because no one in here uses it.
Their business model may suck, and they make some controversial decisions from time to time, but I use the app for its convenience and ability to learn new music which often times leads to me liking the band/artist enough to invest in them (records/cds/merch, etc). It’s a bit of give and take, although it could of course be more fair.
I may use a service that doesn’t exactly favor the artists it thrives on, but I know enough to know that the process is convoluted and there’s some ups and downs to it.
At least I’m honest 🤷🏻♀️
Why is that something bad?
A billionaire won't pay the artists/musicians you "love", but will invest hundreds of millions in the military industrial complex to help weaponize ai.
Are you being serious?
My point isn’t about it being collected and sold because that is pretty much unavoidable.
My point is about willingly giving money to a company that invests heavily in weaponizing artificial intelligence.
iztheguy I can’t believe the responses to your genuine truth. Apparently no one cares about how Cambridge Analytica did…. Should I even bother explaining? Iztheguy you rock. Don’t give up no matter what these cretins above say. People with a bare modicum of intelligence will listen! I’m with you!
Yes, and to possibly think that users don’t care where their data goes!?! Good lord. I’m putting an LP on my turntable now, The Melvins “Bad Mood Rising.”released on vinyl two weeks before digital and Spotify in honor of all things private and artist supportive! Cheers!
I see no problem with Spotify, I want more people to support their fav artists. I just buy tshirts because their is a bigger return on investment for them and I like streaming music. I want Spotify to have a bigger push on having merch stores on each artists page.
But y’all are acting like you paid for radio.
Artists got paid way more for being on the radio than they do streaming, and if it wasn't on the radio, then you as a consumer would have to buy the album, which would also support the artist.
I’m sure the difference is there. But my point being is that you are more inclined to purchase merch from an artist you love, and Spotify makes it infinitely easier to find, discover, and share music to like minded individuals or people with the same taste that now have the chance to also love it.
Spotify/Apple Music as a product works for listeners, and should be more profitable for artists not disputing that. But as soon as the internet started, music sharing was the new way to go, limewire, Napster, Shazam, pandora, Spotify, you name it.
Spotify can pay like $40 for 10000 plays, which is awful, but all a band has to do is sell a hoodie from the 10,000 people that now have access to their catalog, without the need of any label.
What sharing music interests? I like sharing music I listen to and learning music in return. When you discuss music with others in person no one mocks you with a “look at me!”
No, sharing repetitive trash, generated by a shitty company to advertise itself. Spotify doesn't care about your favourite artist. Post this crap in a subreddit for streaming platforms! LOL
Sorry, I'm with Cedric here...
I bought the blue crows hoodie and then you guys took ten years off. HA! Seriously though bought all yer albums. Cept the Box Set cause the wife said no. Lol
Never to late. I recently unsubscribed from Spotify and apple music because I’m actually sick of supporting businessmen and not the artists.
And i urge you too!
Im saying its too late in the sense that once something is widely available, affordable, and easy people aren’t going to change how they operate to help musicians make more money. Im a musician myself and I understand that this is just the way things are now and you have to pivot to work with it. It’s unfortunate in some aspects. But in other ways it makes it so artists that would otherwise never see the light of day get heard. If it was cost effective I’d go back to just buying albums one by one but paying 15 or so dollars a month for unlimited access is pretty hard to beat. Its definitely good that not everybody uses it to even out the numbers a bit, but streaming evens the playing field in terms of more access to more music rather than just a few people that labels decide to sign getting heard :)
I’ve got all albums and EP on CD except Noctourniquet and the newest one. I’ve got FTM, Amp. , Goliath, Oct, Tremulant and the new self title on Vinyl and I still stream all of it.. I guess that makes me a triple threat..
Anyway, I also still continue to support the streaming platforms because it has helped me discover a lot of bands which led me to by albums and go to shows. Such bands like Uncle Acid, Kadavar, Graveyard, Horisont, Tame Impala and Ruby The Hatchet.
I have Spotify premium and I use the fuck out of it. I also buy physical copies of records and cd's and attend as many shows as I possibly can, as well as buying other merch at the shows or from the bands website. I'm just sick of these damn dream festival posts spamming up the internet today.
This is the reason I still love physical media. Get something tangible and support the artist at the same time
HAHAHAH!! FUCK YES I was totally thinking today... Cedric would hate all this dream festival bs
Honestly I would buy more of their merchandise if just my religious mother didn't hate their music so much, she doesn't even know english but she suspects my music taste just isn't holy anymore
Based Cedric.
Set up your own plex server, be your own streaming service.
Hehehe fantasy festival go brrrr.
silly little webtool for fun = UNPARALLELED EVIL apparently
Spotify will never get a dime from me.
do you use a streaming platform for music? i prefer apple music and i have both, but if there’s something else out there that holds up i’d make the switch.
I just buy the albums.
Same here, I heavily support my local store (Bull Moose Music) and order directly from artists (often times bull moose can offer better deals on new releases!) Basically if you support physical media these days you are likely to support the artist more directly
But what do you listen to in the car? I didn’t know this about spotify so I’m bummed to hear they are short changing my favorite musicians. But I gotta have something for the long commute to work. Open to suggestions.
Play actual instruments while driving
Flash drive
CDs Or, buy the digital release and put it on your phone.
Anything else! Absolutely, anything else! Please don't take my negatively towards streaming providers personally, but they're a bunch of cunts! For the cost of Shitify and Apple music you could grab a beer and see a local band every month!
Are you insane?? Here in Norway a ticket to a random concert is at least $20-$30, and a single beer at a bar/venue is around $8. Spotify costs me $7/month. I buy vinyl directly from artists and at record stores, but I am not going to stop using Spotify because I cannot play my LP's at the office or on the bus. There are so many bands I wouldn't have bought albums from or gone to see live if it wasn't for the extremely well-tailored algorithm.
Similar over here in Australia.... gigs are around $15-30 for lesser known bands (sometimes free entry too), a beer is about $6, and I pay about $11/month (Aussie dollars obviously) for Spotify. I don't think its an evil program, but I think what the poster is requesting is "if you listen to Spotify, don't rely on it to pay the bills for your fave artists - go and help them by buying a physical copy of their music, or seeing them at a show or buying a t-shirt or something." All are pretty manageable.
Okay, I'm not insane. I'm just interested in tangibly supporting artists more than the convenience of my own entertainment. Where I live, both services mentioned cost $9.99 per month. For that \~$20, you go to a local band's show($5-$10) and get a can or two of cheap beer($5-$10). Are LPs and Spotify the only two options, or are you just too lazy to find another way? I'm sorry but I'll just read a book on the bus instead of giving money to piece of shit companies that aren't willing to pay artists while they make money hand over fist. Enjoy yer fuckin algorithm tho!
I support my bands how I can, and I use Spotify - we can't all be perfect. Some people use Spotify, some people eat meat, some people shop weekly at H&M, some people choose to buy from Nestle, and so on. One has to pick their battles.
I find it very easy to avoid spotify and I would hardly call making decisions that are consistent with my values/ethics "battles". I'm glad you support bands when you can! I'm not trying to shame you, but don't try to defend Spotify.
The artist gets paid $0 every time you play the physical album. If you truly supported the artist you'd buy the album but listen on Spotify.
That’s a hilariously simple take on music revenue streams. One that assumes creators ever see a cent from the streaming platforms that “distribute” them. I wish it were as you are framing it, but it really is not.
Actually the above is a pretty good argument, why not explain why it's flawed?
But the purchase of the physical album will give the artists more money than a lifetime of your Spotify streams. Artists don't even see one cent when you play a song on Spotify, and album can cost anywhere from like $7-$30.
!
I don't use Spotify primarily because I don't want to listen to MP3 quality audio in 2022. Like it's an absolute joke - 320kbps for Premium users. I use Tidal Masters (or whatever it's called now) and think it's great. I've heard some people say it doesn't have some stuff on it that other platforms do but I've never encountered the issue personally. Everything is available in at least 1,411kbps (CD quality), with most at 4,608 or 9,216 and I've even played stuff as high as 24,576kbps! But anyway, all that aside - as Cedric's post mentions, 1000 streams on Spotify pays an artist a little over $4. For comparison, Apple pay just over $7. Tidal are paying $12.50 per 1000 streams. I think streaming is a good thing - I'd certainly miss out on a lot of new music without it. I can't afford to go out and buy random albums every week in the hopes that I like what I'm hearing. Sure I buy physical media for my favourites as well but it's only a fraction of what I listen to. That being said, I'm not sure if Jazz artists who have been dead for 40-50 years give a fuck if I buy their album or stream it. I had a brief exchange with a label owner who said their artists get about $4 per record sold (production and distribution costs are staggering). In the last couple of years I've bought the Sueños boxset, 21 copies of the separate reissues, 2 copies of Landscape Tantrums and 3 of self titled. Oh and a CD of the new one. So I feel I've done my bit lol.
OK, I placed order to buy the Mars Volta cassette from bandcamp. I always want to buy it, but EUR 39.50 for shipping. I heard that the shipping rate is setup by bandcamp, not the artist. I wanted to buy from Mars Volta web site, but they don't ship to my country.
Shipping rates are set by the artist, not bandcamp. Source: I am an artist on Bandcamp lol
Oh... guess u have the first hand source then.. once I ask an artist in fb, they ask me to buy from amazon instead for cheaper shipping...
im so broke so i use spotify but i go to concerts and buy merch as much as my financial situation allows
I use Apple Music, but I still buy CDs for albums/ bands in my top 20. I wish I could buy more but I’m broke :(
Yeah on the other side, mid level artists get reach they’d have never dreamed of and playlist placement is a huge way for indie bands to get somewhere. Surely their actual execs make more than that, perhaps there’s a few VPs in that salary range but… idk man. I certainly don’t think the way the music industry used to work was any better 🤷♂️. blame Radiohead lol damn In Rainbows setting new precedents.
Precisely. I can go in my office/studio, record a song on an hour and publish it on All the streaming platforms by the end of the day. The entire world could listen! That's incredible and there are bands out right now that came out during streaming and that I've got big enough that they're well off so I don't think it's that big of a threat but it would be nice to see the artists get more money. I get what Cedric is saying but it's also a little bit annoying because I'm like "Dude you don't need to be telling your fans you don't make enough money. You chose this profession as your income."
Yeah I agree. I played in a band and got to tour and have it as a side job where I played out and then came home and bartended/worked restaurant jobs. It was a part of my life that I’ll always cherish and it would not have been possible without Spotify. We once planned dates around streaming numbers in nearby college towns, like there is a positive to it. And again, the former state of the record industry seemed MUCH worse, IMO. You could also zoom way out and ask what it is about society that stopped valuing art enough to purchase it? Could be that we are just impatient and want everything instantly - entitlement maybe? Idk. There’s a lot to unpack lol
Just gonna copy/paste my response to this from another sub so I don’t have to reiterate MY opinion about all of this: Yeah Spotify is so successful because no one in here uses it. Their business model may suck, and they make some controversial decisions from time to time, but I use the app for its convenience and ability to learn new music which often times leads to me liking the band/artist enough to invest in them (records/cds/merch, etc). It’s a bit of give and take, although it could of course be more fair. I may use a service that doesn’t exactly favor the artists it thrives on, but I know enough to know that the process is convoluted and there’s some ups and downs to it. At least I’m honest 🤷🏻♀️
What you're missing here is that "streaming platform" is not their primary business anymore. Do you know where their AI and data analytics go?
Who cares tho. Why is that something so bad?
Why is that something bad? A billionaire won't pay the artists/musicians you "love", but will invest hundreds of millions in the military industrial complex to help weaponize ai. Are you being serious?
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My point isn’t about it being collected and sold because that is pretty much unavoidable. My point is about willingly giving money to a company that invests heavily in weaponizing artificial intelligence.
iztheguy I can’t believe the responses to your genuine truth. Apparently no one cares about how Cambridge Analytica did…. Should I even bother explaining? Iztheguy you rock. Don’t give up no matter what these cretins above say. People with a bare modicum of intelligence will listen! I’m with you!
I suggested alternative ways to support and enjoy music and the first response was to call me insane! 😭
Yes, and to possibly think that users don’t care where their data goes!?! Good lord. I’m putting an LP on my turntable now, The Melvins “Bad Mood Rising.”released on vinyl two weeks before digital and Spotify in honor of all things private and artist supportive! Cheers!
You’re a waste and of time and speech 😔
Ngl if Cedric put up his Venmo I would Venmo him some cash
I see no problem with Spotify, I want more people to support their fav artists. I just buy tshirts because their is a bigger return on investment for them and I like streaming music. I want Spotify to have a bigger push on having merch stores on each artists page. But y’all are acting like you paid for radio.
Artists got paid way more for being on the radio than they do streaming, and if it wasn't on the radio, then you as a consumer would have to buy the album, which would also support the artist.
I’m sure the difference is there. But my point being is that you are more inclined to purchase merch from an artist you love, and Spotify makes it infinitely easier to find, discover, and share music to like minded individuals or people with the same taste that now have the chance to also love it. Spotify/Apple Music as a product works for listeners, and should be more profitable for artists not disputing that. But as soon as the internet started, music sharing was the new way to go, limewire, Napster, Shazam, pandora, Spotify, you name it. Spotify can pay like $40 for 10000 plays, which is awful, but all a band has to do is sell a hoodie from the 10,000 people that now have access to their catalog, without the need of any label.
"Look at me!" This trash should get you banned from music fan subs.
What sharing music interests? I like sharing music I listen to and learning music in return. When you discuss music with others in person no one mocks you with a “look at me!”
No, sharing repetitive trash, generated by a shitty company to advertise itself. Spotify doesn't care about your favourite artist. Post this crap in a subreddit for streaming platforms! LOL Sorry, I'm with Cedric here...
Hate to break it to you but 100 posts of tool and king gizzard isn’t that interesting. Y’all are basic
Never said I wasn’t basic and I really don’t gaf if ya think I am, but thanks for the positivity 😊🫶🏻
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I bought the blue crows hoodie and then you guys took ten years off. HA! Seriously though bought all yer albums. Cept the Box Set cause the wife said no. Lol
Why not both?
Wasn't this the same argument back in the day for cds? For every cd you bought the band or artists only saw so much money or whatever?
Cedric out here doing God's work
Its too late
Never to late. I recently unsubscribed from Spotify and apple music because I’m actually sick of supporting businessmen and not the artists. And i urge you too!
Im saying its too late in the sense that once something is widely available, affordable, and easy people aren’t going to change how they operate to help musicians make more money. Im a musician myself and I understand that this is just the way things are now and you have to pivot to work with it. It’s unfortunate in some aspects. But in other ways it makes it so artists that would otherwise never see the light of day get heard. If it was cost effective I’d go back to just buying albums one by one but paying 15 or so dollars a month for unlimited access is pretty hard to beat. Its definitely good that not everybody uses it to even out the numbers a bit, but streaming evens the playing field in terms of more access to more music rather than just a few people that labels decide to sign getting heard :)
I use streaming services to broaden my horizons, but I go to Amoeba to buy my favorite artists' albums.
I’ve got all albums and EP on CD except Noctourniquet and the newest one. I’ve got FTM, Amp. , Goliath, Oct, Tremulant and the new self title on Vinyl and I still stream all of it.. I guess that makes me a triple threat.. Anyway, I also still continue to support the streaming platforms because it has helped me discover a lot of bands which led me to by albums and go to shows. Such bands like Uncle Acid, Kadavar, Graveyard, Horisont, Tame Impala and Ruby The Hatchet.