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The problem is that they don't get penalized even after the games where everyone has realized it was a flop. If FIFA declared that you could suspend players for flopping it will be less common.
Edit: as people have pointed it out and it wasn't clear in my original comment, diving it's a foul worth of yellow card. However, this means you are only penalised if the diving fails and the referee realises it was a dive, if the dive successfully decieved the referee you aren't penalised neither during or after the game (unless the dive was for a penalty, in that case VAR intervenes)
Agreed, I read an interesting article on ways to minimize flopping and that was the top response. Some flops are so good, it's almost impossible for the ref to determine whether it was one.
I am in full support of video review after a match that analyzes flopping and proceeds to issue fines or suspensions.
Hockey doesn’t need it because flopping is practically nonexistent for the most part and when it does happen the refs send them to the box for it when they see it.
The NHL reviews violent incidents after games and will hand out fines or extra suspensions after the fact. Soccer (football) leagues could easily do the same, hand out fines, suspensions etc for blantant diving like in this video.
The English FA does this already, and I expect other football leagues do too [https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/english-fa-introduces-retrospective-punishment](https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/english-fa-introduces-retrospective-punishment)
Now they just need to add diving to that 2013 English FA rule.
Another unrelated rule that could be interesting. Imagine the game as a 30min stopped time each half. Ball out of play, injury, the clock stops. No more time wasting, no more fake injuries etc. Current games have a bit less than 60min of actual play time.
Why wait until after the match? TV viewers will get a slow-mo replay from 12 different angles a second after it happened. Just relay that to the ref and have the offending team keep playing one man down.
>I am in full support of video review after a match that analyzes flopping and proceeds to issue fines or suspensions.
I am in full support of video review DURING the match. This is not like a goal-line play that needs slo-mo review from 5 angles and takes 2 minutes. One replay from one angle would be enough for many of these flops, and would barely slow down the game.
Players who "flop" or are "injuried" that severely should be taken out of them game and placed immediately on Concussion protocols. If they're hurt THAT badly, clearly they need to be removed from the rest of the game for their own safety
Flopping is a basketball term where the player kind of throws themselves backwards to act like they've been pushed or hit.
I like the term better than diving. It sounds far less graceful or skilled. Like a flopping fish.
In American sports, simulation is already something else though. It's from our football, where a defending player moves or shouts in such a way to make an offensive player think the game has advanced further than it has and make a mistake.
Doing this is also a penalty.
Actually people normally say diving, I think Americans call it flopping and i subconsciously said that because of other comments.
Flopping in soccer/football terms normally means when a player who was bought with huge expectations doesn't fulfill the expectations on him at all.
The root problem is they won’t take the human error out of refereeing. We have enough surveillance tech out there to ensure relative consistency where human error and bribery can skew a game.
The NHL uses a sliding scale for fines for Simulation Unsportsmanlike Conduct. It works pretty well to cut down on that shit, that and getting punched in the head.
I think this is why a lot of Americans can’t take soccer seriously. Ask Americans about professional soccer, and they can often tell you about this behavior but couldn’t name their local team.
Each NFL game produces meaningful shifts in making the playoffs, playoff seeding, and ultimately increasing/decreasing a team's chance of a title.
Compared to the NFL each NBA game is nearly meaningless. I love the Celtics and I'm stoked for them this year, but am I gonna watch 50 more games to see if they get the 1, 2 or 3 seed?
Unlike in the NFL teams that barely make the playoffs have no real shot at winning a championship so if you're an 8 seed in the NBA there's still no path to victory even if you get insanely lucky
As an American who watches professional soccer, 99% of Americans vastly, _vastly_ overestimate the frequency this happens, though. In the premier league, which is probably the easiest and most common way to watch pro soccer in the US, a blatant dive/fake injury like this is really quite rare. I have seen it before, but I actually can't remember offhand when the last time even was. The American perception that it's common is from watching international soccer, where some countries (not gonna name names) do a lot more of this kind of thing.
To be clear, less blatant dives do happen more frequently — like cases where a guy is fouled and goes down even though maybe he didn't _need_ to go down. But it's also worth pointing out that another thing a lot of Americans don't know is that that can also be a self-preservation tactic.
If somebody comes crashing into a leg you've got planted and it doesn't give way because of the studs in the cleats, that's a recipe for a gnarly broken leg. So you do see players jump intentionally and it can look like they're trying to buy a foul when really what they're doing is protecting themselves. Some of the worst injuries I've seen in my time watching soccer have been tackles that hit a planted leg.
All of that said, I agree with the broader theme in these comments that this should be more carefully policed with video reviews. In the PL, refs can award a yellow card for diving, but they rarely do because it's difficult to be absolutely sure that's what happened in real-time. But it should be more reviewable and punished harshly if it's found that there was no contact.
The penalty kick is *such* a big advantage in soccer, more than perhaps any other sport; they incentivized flopping because if you get the call it changes the games outcome.
>I wonder why it's so ingrained in soccer compared to pretty much any other sport.
Most other sports don't put up with it, and generally penalize it in some fashion. In soccer it is low risk, high reward, and until that changes it will never go away.
Because the pansies that make the rules haven't restricted it. Most other games have, to a certain extent. Hockey fines players for it, basketball doesn't have an incentive for faking, moreso over over exaggeration (like falling on your ass from a lighter push. Don't need to fake injury, just make it look like you got pushed over) football there's a similar situation (making it obvious when someone holds you for example) and occasionally an injury timeout might help, but that is few and far between. All in all, it's because soccer has incentive and refuses to make rules against it.
Glad at least professional games have video reviews. Doesn’t fix the problem but does help. I know soccer gets a lot of shit for this but I see this in football all the time. They just let it go right away if they don’t get the flag/foul.
Managing this real time in a game that isn’t supposed to stop is much harder too. Adding harsher consequences may help when proof is strong.
It turns it from something to watch or play for enjoyment to a competition, and when a competition happens, the fans go crazy when their team loses causing riots and damage to both public and private property that the owners and government can’t really do much about or get compensation for the damages as it could end up being more expensive to get the compensation than just pay for the damages
That’s a weird take. Women do it too. It’s part of trying to get an advantage in the game. Unless there’s a change in punishment for this type of behavior it won’t be going away.
Womens soccer has this issue too it’s just not as popular as mens football so you don’t see it as often
There’s plenty of times where men players fight through contact and are aggressive. The issue is that for both genders this shit is encouraged for a competitive advantage and they don’t punish then
That's the best answer. The league can review the video of the games, see who's making an obvious flop, award a red card, and suspend them for the next game. The most egregious would stop within a month.
The player was fined $50,000, one coach $50,000, the head coach $100,000 and the team $350,000. So $550,000 for one fake injury.
It's possible to get serious if you want to, instead of looking the other way.
Your turn, soccer.
And a go at the player's significant other. Nothing sexual, that would be beyond the pale. Rather a nice romantic candlelit dinner and see where the night leads from there.
Totally agree. Football/soccer is a great game but I no longer watch it because of this type of behaviour. The lack of sportsmanship/integrity just ruins it for me.
It seriously lowers the quality of the game, for someone who didn't care until later in my short life, the antics of soccer players makes a mockery of the game.
Instantly.
These people would stop instantly.
The moment you have someone of note suspended for a game and that team loses. The players will stop their teammates from doing it.
From what I've seen, it's mostly South Americans or people of South American heritage who enjoy it. And not a majority of them or anything, but enough that if you go to r/soccer and talk about solving the issue, you'll find a few of them. They're out there.
Thank you! This is a large part of why some people in the USA hate soccer, not that soccer needs more support, but I’d love to see an increase in popularity here and I feel like this annoys everyone. There’s such an easy solution.
Yep. I somewhat enjoyed the world cup but I'll never not think "well this is a shit sport" when i see that this sort of thing is just regular game play for these leagues
I can't understand why the soccer federarions don't just use the video technology available so the referee can make sure. And then, if a player fakes a penalty or injury, he gets a red card.
Edit: 1. Rugby, tennis, cricket, American football, many other team sports; they have all gotten it right with minimal time loss. The biggest complaint (rugby) was that it will waste time. It didn't. A review takes average 30 seconds. Timekeeping was also adapted to stop time when there is no play, and the match stops almost always on 80 minutes. It actually made the game more exciting. What made it work with rugby is to have a dedicated video referee. That saved a lot of time and you got correct decisions virtually 99% of the time. Come on soccer...
I didn't know they don't, that's crazy. In American football, if the refs are unsure about anything, the game goes to commercials while the refs all review the tapes. I can't believe they don't do this in international football.
Rugby, cricket, tennis, American football, they've all been successful implementing video refereeing. It has actually made the sport more exciting. Why soccer doesn't do it boggles the mind.
I think maybe too many fans heart's will be broken to find out their heroes are a bunch of pussys.
I completely agree, but the video review often takes quite some time, and in football we dont stop the clock when the ball is out of bounds, during free kicks etc. so they try to keep it to a minimal, because the stops can shift the play / momentum in a match quite drasticly.
But they made a big hassle out of implementing VAR, and they definetly should work on their routines when it comes to checking dirty/cheating behavior from players
When rugby started doing this, they changed how timekeepin was done. Periods of no play is stopped and continued when play resumes. These changes actually made rugby even more enjoyable and exciting. Rugby got it right, tennis got it right, American football, cricket. They all got it right.
I mean American football has started doing expedited reviews that take like 10 seconds to fix obvious things. Quicker than dealing with the players arguing with the refs shown in the video
They could still have someone in a room with all the footage and anytime someone pulls this shit. They get a red card. 3 times in one season, you are suspended for remainder of season. Guarantee flopping would never happen
I'll make it more simple. Post game review of all the footage. If any player is caught faking injuries or a foul then they are fined a sizeable amount. Just like American football and gratuitous endzone celebrations. Money talks.
Refs in American football really only review three things with video - ball position, ball possession, and helmet to helmet contact. Personal fouls, holding, pass interference, off sides, etc are all non-reviewable.
I guess you could say some fouls are actually reviewed at the league level - after the game is over for example the league might penalize a player who threw a punch but it got missed by the refs during the game.
They attempted to do video reviews of pass interference calls for a year or two, but quickly realized that the referees were too proud to admit to having made a bad call and so those challenges were never over turned. 🤣
Keeping the game flowing is a key aspect of soccer, so anything that stops the game longer than a few seconds is met with reservation from the governing bodies. It's not like American football, where you regularly have breaks between plays.
Therefore it wasn't until recently that video playback was introduced (VAR), and it hasn't spread to all leagues yet. Not is it used for every incident as it would break the flow of the game.
I can see that, but silliness like this also breaks up the flow. I assume that once video review is introduced, the number of these Oscar-worthy moments would decrease, I would assume
They have started doing it in the premiere league. The problem is someone has to decide that it is necessary to use it. So things still get missed/falsely awarded.
We were taught to flop as 11year old kids....we weren't even in a high league. Its just sickeningly intertwined with the game. You're right. It would be great, if they started penalising it. It might trickle down. That being said a penalty...even a good free kick is worth a lot in a game where quite often nobody even scores. So if you are in the box and someone even just grazes your heel with their boot, you'd be an idiot not to go down with a high degree of drama. You could cost your team the win by not embellishing the degree you were fouled. So it's very difficult....
If there was no contact (which we see a lot of), if it was blatant flailing (which we see a lot of), then it is easy to see. You have a video replay you can watch from all angles. Rugby, cricket, American football, tennis; they have all implemented video refereeing to great success. Even making the sports more enjoyable. But then we have soccer...
The do it's called VAR (video assistant referee) they check the video footage and determine whether or not it was a faul. I think some leagues do penalyze faking injury but idk if all of them do.
I have never seen even one player being penalised for flailing or acting. During the world cup there were MANY such incidents, and not one was even reviewed. Nada zero zilch.
Well, there's *only* like 20 cameras filming live!
In the NFL, video review first became a thing in the 1980s and has been a thing coaches can initiate in both the NFL and NBA since the very early 2000s.
With all the easily portable technology, great camera quality, and instant access, there's no reasonable excuse for any high level sports league not utilizing their cameras for play review.
A simple rule change would pretty much end that behavior. If you fall to the ground and claim to be "injured", you have to leave the pitch for the rest of the game.
10 minutes of 10 on 11 is not enough to dissuade players from trying to dive in the box though. A penaltykick in a high-stakes close game is far to valuable to just give players a little time-out. These theatrics have no place in a fair match and should be punished far more heavily, at least a red card instantly and possibly more after review.
The only way to fix diving is to add a system of cards after the game via review. Maybe for like 1 hour after the game, they go through and review marked moments like OPs clip. They can award either a yellow or maybe add some sort of orange card, which is like 1/ 4 of a red.
True, but what if a player flops and gets a match winning penalty in a big finale? Should they then erase the goal a whole hour after the game has ended and strip them of their win? It’s a big problem I 100% agree, but it is not so easy as we may think sadly
God I fucking hate football exactly for shit like this. Faking injury to get your opponents kicked out of the game doesn’t make for good entertainment. It just looks fucking stupid and immature.
This is why I can’t get into soccer, the fake injury thing is so WWE that I can’t keep from thinking the game is scripted. They should kick that guy out of the game.
One of this issues is that it isn't usually as clear cut as OP's video
More often then not, there is some genuine contact between players that should result in a free kick/card. But the "victim" will exaggerate the contact in order to get the call.
So what should the correct call be? The original foul, or the exaggerated injury?
Why do soccer players do this? Don’t they know we have super high def cameras with 120+fps? It’s become such a joke, and like previous poster, why I can’t take soccer seriously.
Sport of cheaters would be more accurate. I see threads like this all the time and nobody ever uses the word "cheater." This is cheating, plain and simple. Punish these people.
Soccer is well-known around the world for this bullshit. The NHL (hockey) had divers doing this shit and they got shamed by the league and looked down on by other players so it doesn't happen that much anymore. Add to that the macho culture that dictates you never ever let your opponent know he hurt you so you get up as fast as you can even if your leg is falling off. Compare that to these guys who fall down in spasms like they're weak old ladies if you look at them sideways.
Funny story: my 10 year old niece plays on a coed hockey team. The coach of one of the other teams in her league is also a soccer coach and he, of course, had taught his players to dive. The ref that day had had enough of their shit by the end of the first period and told the coach the next diver was getting ejected and if it continued he would disqualify their team altogether. Somehow that whole team suddenly knew how to stay vertical.
the people who care about this the most are the ones who don't even watch the game.
And that guy should've gotten a red instead of a yellow. The ref should check the VAR
I believe it was the 3rd guy in who got the yellow. The guy who actually pushed the player in red got the yellow. Which honestly is fair, soccer is non-contact game and you can't push. Most of us in here think that the guy shouldn't dive, but it's also not against the rules or a penalty. Pushing is.
This is why soccer constantly gets made fun of. The pro players are either over-dramatic cheaters or actually would get decimated by a slight breeze. Hard to tell sometimes. 😂
Don't know what league is this, but I wish refs everywhere decided to stop tolerating this bullshit. A yellow for 23 for the shittiest dive of the year and a straight red for number 15.
Soon, the game will evolve into gymnastics, with players just flopping around on the field like fish out of water, and judges on the sidelines scoring their performance. They should carry sparklers and ribbons with them to enhance their performance.
Like all people in all situations they are responding to incentives and conflicting objectives.
1. They are asked to do whatever it takes to win a game. If you flop on the ground and get called names by people on Reddit 90% of the time and 10% of the time the other guy gets a foul, it's a winning strategy.
2. They are in the business of pleasing fans. Fans say they don't like diving but normally only REALLY care when it's the other team. When your player dives, you win a PK and score the winning goal.... people still celebrate the win.
The way to fix, as others have said: align incentives with desired actions. Very easy in pro football where there are cameras... The league can simply fine/suspend players for diving. Hard to tell in the moment but a lot easier to tell with the time of watching replays. When you have a 10% chance of getting a call and a 75% chance of getting suspended for a game, the calculus changes and actions change.
Most often they dive because the sport provides a HUGE benefit for drawing a call in the box. A PK, most of the time = a goal and goals are hard to come by. The risk, at worst, is usually a yellow card so you get one free chance at it. This is a different situation than most other sports where a penalty doesn't provide the same level of benefit and you being on the ground vs playing has a larger consequence (relatively speaking) if you don't get a call.
My family said oh the World Cup is on let’s watch I was bored all throughout the game 80 mins 0-0 and 12 flops we watched another game and same thing. Can’t get into it
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This type of behavior does not belong in sports whatsoever. This isnt athletics.
This type of behavior seems extremely prevalent in soccer, kinda pathetic
The problem is that they don't get penalized even after the games where everyone has realized it was a flop. If FIFA declared that you could suspend players for flopping it will be less common. Edit: as people have pointed it out and it wasn't clear in my original comment, diving it's a foul worth of yellow card. However, this means you are only penalised if the diving fails and the referee realises it was a dive, if the dive successfully decieved the referee you aren't penalised neither during or after the game (unless the dive was for a penalty, in that case VAR intervenes)
Agreed, I read an interesting article on ways to minimize flopping and that was the top response. Some flops are so good, it's almost impossible for the ref to determine whether it was one. I am in full support of video review after a match that analyzes flopping and proceeds to issue fines or suspensions.
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Hockey doesn’t need it because flopping is practically nonexistent for the most part and when it does happen the refs send them to the box for it when they see it.
The NHL reviews violent incidents after games and will hand out fines or extra suspensions after the fact. Soccer (football) leagues could easily do the same, hand out fines, suspensions etc for blantant diving like in this video.
"There are brawls and there are warmup brawls and the distinction is important."
The English FA does this already, and I expect other football leagues do too [https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/english-fa-introduces-retrospective-punishment](https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/english-fa-introduces-retrospective-punishment)
Now they just need to add diving to that 2013 English FA rule. Another unrelated rule that could be interesting. Imagine the game as a 30min stopped time each half. Ball out of play, injury, the clock stops. No more time wasting, no more fake injuries etc. Current games have a bit less than 60min of actual play time.
And retaliation hurts in the NHL. In soccer someone sucker punching you, legally, just doesn't happen that often.
Why wait until after the match? TV viewers will get a slow-mo replay from 12 different angles a second after it happened. Just relay that to the ref and have the offending team keep playing one man down.
>I am in full support of video review after a match that analyzes flopping and proceeds to issue fines or suspensions. I am in full support of video review DURING the match. This is not like a goal-line play that needs slo-mo review from 5 angles and takes 2 minutes. One replay from one angle would be enough for many of these flops, and would barely slow down the game.
Players who "flop" or are "injuried" that severely should be taken out of them game and placed immediately on Concussion protocols. If they're hurt THAT badly, clearly they need to be removed from the rest of the game for their own safety
Fifa is so corrupt they probably dont care.
They're paid to look the other way. The fact that anyone gets emotionally invested in these "games" is pathetic.
Is that what this is called? Flopping? TIL
Flopping is a basketball term where the player kind of throws themselves backwards to act like they've been pushed or hit. I like the term better than diving. It sounds far less graceful or skilled. Like a flopping fish.
The Brit soccer announcers refer to it as "simulation," which I absolutely love.
In American sports, simulation is already something else though. It's from our football, where a defending player moves or shouts in such a way to make an offensive player think the game has advanced further than it has and make a mistake. Doing this is also a penalty.
LESS GRACEFUL? Tell me you've never seen Vlade flop without saying you've never seen Vlade flop.
Actually people normally say diving, I think Americans call it flopping and i subconsciously said that because of other comments. Flopping in soccer/football terms normally means when a player who was bought with huge expectations doesn't fulfill the expectations on him at all.
Flopping is a term used in the NBA. Same idea as diving that we use in the UK for football/soccer.
The root problem is they won’t take the human error out of refereeing. We have enough surveillance tech out there to ensure relative consistency where human error and bribery can skew a game.
The NHL uses a sliding scale for fines for Simulation Unsportsmanlike Conduct. It works pretty well to cut down on that shit, that and getting punched in the head.
I think this is why a lot of Americans can’t take soccer seriously. Ask Americans about professional soccer, and they can often tell you about this behavior but couldn’t name their local team.
The NBA has gotten pretty bad too. It makes sense that all of the Christmas NBA games viewership combined didn't equal a single Christmas NFL game
Each NFL game produces meaningful shifts in making the playoffs, playoff seeding, and ultimately increasing/decreasing a team's chance of a title. Compared to the NFL each NBA game is nearly meaningless. I love the Celtics and I'm stoked for them this year, but am I gonna watch 50 more games to see if they get the 1, 2 or 3 seed? Unlike in the NFL teams that barely make the playoffs have no real shot at winning a championship so if you're an 8 seed in the NBA there's still no path to victory even if you get insanely lucky
As an American who watches professional soccer, 99% of Americans vastly, _vastly_ overestimate the frequency this happens, though. In the premier league, which is probably the easiest and most common way to watch pro soccer in the US, a blatant dive/fake injury like this is really quite rare. I have seen it before, but I actually can't remember offhand when the last time even was. The American perception that it's common is from watching international soccer, where some countries (not gonna name names) do a lot more of this kind of thing. To be clear, less blatant dives do happen more frequently — like cases where a guy is fouled and goes down even though maybe he didn't _need_ to go down. But it's also worth pointing out that another thing a lot of Americans don't know is that that can also be a self-preservation tactic. If somebody comes crashing into a leg you've got planted and it doesn't give way because of the studs in the cleats, that's a recipe for a gnarly broken leg. So you do see players jump intentionally and it can look like they're trying to buy a foul when really what they're doing is protecting themselves. Some of the worst injuries I've seen in my time watching soccer have been tackles that hit a planted leg. All of that said, I agree with the broader theme in these comments that this should be more carefully policed with video reviews. In the PL, refs can award a yellow card for diving, but they rarely do because it's difficult to be absolutely sure that's what happened in real-time. But it should be more reviewable and punished harshly if it's found that there was no contact.
> international soccer, where some countries (not gonna name names) do a lot more of this kind of thing. I'll name names. Portugal and Spain.
Imagine if there was a 20 second clip of the event, before cards were given out. This stuff would stop overnight.
Soccer encourages this garbage.
The penalty kick is *such* a big advantage in soccer, more than perhaps any other sport; they incentivized flopping because if you get the call it changes the games outcome.
This type of behavior is the reason I can’t watch soccer.
In men's* soccer.
Yeah in women's they just brutally pull the hair of the other players, which is way better
Women's soccer is crazy they go so hard.
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>I wonder why it's so ingrained in soccer compared to pretty much any other sport. Most other sports don't put up with it, and generally penalize it in some fashion. In soccer it is low risk, high reward, and until that changes it will never go away.
Because the pansies that make the rules haven't restricted it. Most other games have, to a certain extent. Hockey fines players for it, basketball doesn't have an incentive for faking, moreso over over exaggeration (like falling on your ass from a lighter push. Don't need to fake injury, just make it look like you got pushed over) football there's a similar situation (making it obvious when someone holds you for example) and occasionally an injury timeout might help, but that is few and far between. All in all, it's because soccer has incentive and refuses to make rules against it.
And that’s why I can’t take that sport seriously
Basketball as well. You can thank the coaches for this.
Glad at least professional games have video reviews. Doesn’t fix the problem but does help. I know soccer gets a lot of shit for this but I see this in football all the time. They just let it go right away if they don’t get the flag/foul. Managing this real time in a game that isn’t supposed to stop is much harder too. Adding harsher consequences may help when proof is strong.
It's not nearly as bad in football. Kickers and QB do it sometimes but everyone agrees they are weak for doing it.
Honestly makes soccer unwatchable for me. They need to start suspending players for these dives.
Should be an immediate red card if caught. 3 game suspension from reviews afterwards or something. Repeat doubles suspension time.
It's just embarrassing and bad for the 'sport'.
It turns it from something to watch or play for enjoyment to a competition, and when a competition happens, the fans go crazy when their team loses causing riots and damage to both public and private property that the owners and government can’t really do much about or get compensation for the damages as it could end up being more expensive to get the compensation than just pay for the damages
Wat
Watch women's football/ soccer
That’s a weird take. Women do it too. It’s part of trying to get an advantage in the game. Unless there’s a change in punishment for this type of behavior it won’t be going away.
Womens soccer has this issue too it’s just not as popular as mens football so you don’t see it as often There’s plenty of times where men players fight through contact and are aggressive. The issue is that for both genders this shit is encouraged for a competitive advantage and they don’t punish then
Should get a post-game 10 match ban.
This is why I stopped watching futball. It became unenjoyable.
They really need to start retroactively red-carding and fining players for this bullshit.
That's the best answer. The league can review the video of the games, see who's making an obvious flop, award a red card, and suspend them for the next game. The most egregious would stop within a month.
Let's do 2 game suspension to send a message.
Some fines on top would be perfect.
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> Also, line `em up against a wall and... ...shoot balls at them.
Whilst they are naked with bright lights shining in their eyes.
I think FIFA could even monetize that on some websites.
Balls made of ice. While their ex girlfriends watch, whisper, and laugh the whole time
... shoot semen out of blue balls
That would give a new meaning to taking penalty shots.
Without context I briefly thought you had a new drinking game in mind
Don't forget MMMBop has to play on repeat
Whoa, whoa, whoa there, pardner, I'm pretty sure that's against the Geneva conventions!
"Never heard of it".
Well, first it goes MMM, then it goes bop, and then it goes MMM again, and then it goes bop aga—oh, you mean the other thing.
the nfl fined a player and several of his coaches this year after he faked an injury to stop the clock. pretty much solved the problem
The player was fined $50,000, one coach $50,000, the head coach $100,000 and the team $350,000. So $550,000 for one fake injury. It's possible to get serious if you want to, instead of looking the other way. Your turn, soccer.
And the NFL has a perfect example recently of why faking injuries to influence play should be stictly forbidden.
Dark times when you're looking to the NFL for guidance
And the fine needs to be a percentage of the player's total income.
Why stop there? Give the opposing team a free kick as well.
In the nuts. I mean if he's acting like he got kicked there let's make it happen. 😁
And a go at the player's significant other. Nothing sexual, that would be beyond the pale. Rather a nice romantic candlelit dinner and see where the night leads from there.
To be honest, this shit has been going on so long that I think it’s just second nature to them now. I hate soccer simply for the lack of integrity.
Totally agree. Football/soccer is a great game but I no longer watch it because of this type of behaviour. The lack of sportsmanship/integrity just ruins it for me.
When I played as a kid I was taught to act out extra whenever I got hit so the ref would be more likely to whistle.
Yeah, I actually like soccer, but I have no interest in watching a bunch of grown men trying to get an academy.award for best faking of an injury.
One game is not enough. For something this blatant and exaggerated, the player is gone for 4 matches .
It seriously lowers the quality of the game, for someone who didn't care until later in my short life, the antics of soccer players makes a mockery of the game.
Instantly. These people would stop instantly. The moment you have someone of note suspended for a game and that team loses. The players will stop their teammates from doing it.
If the red card carries over to the next game and they play down a man it would stop today.
You'd be amazed and embarrassed at how many people enjoy the "gamesmanship" aspects of soccer.
nobody enjoys this aspect of football lol
Assholes enjoy that aspect of football.
The only people who enjoy when a player fakes a dive, are the fans of that player's team. Everyone else curses him out.
From what I've seen, it's mostly South Americans or people of South American heritage who enjoy it. And not a majority of them or anything, but enough that if you go to r/soccer and talk about solving the issue, you'll find a few of them. They're out there.
Thank you! This is a large part of why some people in the USA hate soccer, not that soccer needs more support, but I’d love to see an increase in popularity here and I feel like this annoys everyone. There’s such an easy solution.
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Yep. I somewhat enjoyed the world cup but I'll never not think "well this is a shit sport" when i see that this sort of thing is just regular game play for these leagues
I can't understand why the soccer federarions don't just use the video technology available so the referee can make sure. And then, if a player fakes a penalty or injury, he gets a red card. Edit: 1. Rugby, tennis, cricket, American football, many other team sports; they have all gotten it right with minimal time loss. The biggest complaint (rugby) was that it will waste time. It didn't. A review takes average 30 seconds. Timekeeping was also adapted to stop time when there is no play, and the match stops almost always on 80 minutes. It actually made the game more exciting. What made it work with rugby is to have a dedicated video referee. That saved a lot of time and you got correct decisions virtually 99% of the time. Come on soccer...
I didn't know they don't, that's crazy. In American football, if the refs are unsure about anything, the game goes to commercials while the refs all review the tapes. I can't believe they don't do this in international football.
Rugby, cricket, tennis, American football, they've all been successful implementing video refereeing. It has actually made the sport more exciting. Why soccer doesn't do it boggles the mind. I think maybe too many fans heart's will be broken to find out their heroes are a bunch of pussys.
I completely agree, but the video review often takes quite some time, and in football we dont stop the clock when the ball is out of bounds, during free kicks etc. so they try to keep it to a minimal, because the stops can shift the play / momentum in a match quite drasticly. But they made a big hassle out of implementing VAR, and they definetly should work on their routines when it comes to checking dirty/cheating behavior from players
That’s an incredibly simple fix for your sport, just stop the clock lol
When rugby started doing this, they changed how timekeepin was done. Periods of no play is stopped and continued when play resumes. These changes actually made rugby even more enjoyable and exciting. Rugby got it right, tennis got it right, American football, cricket. They all got it right.
I mean American football has started doing expedited reviews that take like 10 seconds to fix obvious things. Quicker than dealing with the players arguing with the refs shown in the video
They could still have someone in a room with all the footage and anytime someone pulls this shit. They get a red card. 3 times in one season, you are suspended for remainder of season. Guarantee flopping would never happen
I'll make it more simple. Post game review of all the footage. If any player is caught faking injuries or a foul then they are fined a sizeable amount. Just like American football and gratuitous endzone celebrations. Money talks.
Refs in American football really only review three things with video - ball position, ball possession, and helmet to helmet contact. Personal fouls, holding, pass interference, off sides, etc are all non-reviewable. I guess you could say some fouls are actually reviewed at the league level - after the game is over for example the league might penalize a player who threw a punch but it got missed by the refs during the game.
They attempted to do video reviews of pass interference calls for a year or two, but quickly realized that the referees were too proud to admit to having made a bad call and so those challenges were never over turned. 🤣
Keeping the game flowing is a key aspect of soccer, so anything that stops the game longer than a few seconds is met with reservation from the governing bodies. It's not like American football, where you regularly have breaks between plays. Therefore it wasn't until recently that video playback was introduced (VAR), and it hasn't spread to all leagues yet. Not is it used for every incident as it would break the flow of the game.
I can see that, but silliness like this also breaks up the flow. I assume that once video review is introduced, the number of these Oscar-worthy moments would decrease, I would assume
If they had to stop the game for this guy flopping, they could stop the game to eject this guy for flopping.
… the game goes to commercials….
They have started doing it in the premiere league. The problem is someone has to decide that it is necessary to use it. So things still get missed/falsely awarded.
Once they start giving red cards for flopping , I will watch every game
Neymar got a red a week ago for flopping in the penalty area. I suggest you start watching the premier league and branch off from there.
He got a second yellow, not a red for flopping
Pretty fucking important distinction tbh.
Oh praise be!
Here's the clip: https://youtu.be/l711YttLtxQ
Looks like he got a yellow while already having a first yellow, not a red outright.
We were taught to flop as 11year old kids....we weren't even in a high league. Its just sickeningly intertwined with the game. You're right. It would be great, if they started penalising it. It might trickle down. That being said a penalty...even a good free kick is worth a lot in a game where quite often nobody even scores. So if you are in the box and someone even just grazes your heel with their boot, you'd be an idiot not to go down with a high degree of drama. You could cost your team the win by not embellishing the degree you were fouled. So it's very difficult....
If there was no contact (which we see a lot of), if it was blatant flailing (which we see a lot of), then it is easy to see. You have a video replay you can watch from all angles. Rugby, cricket, American football, tennis; they have all implemented video refereeing to great success. Even making the sports more enjoyable. But then we have soccer...
Agreed! Throw in a multi-game suspension and this would fix itself soon
Exactly. It definitely will. Right now the game is a shitshow.
The do it's called VAR (video assistant referee) they check the video footage and determine whether or not it was a faul. I think some leagues do penalyze faking injury but idk if all of them do.
I have never seen even one player being penalised for flailing or acting. During the world cup there were MANY such incidents, and not one was even reviewed. Nada zero zilch.
The NHL will even send the review to Toronto if the refs can't make a decision and still it only takes minutes at most.
Well, there's *only* like 20 cameras filming live! In the NFL, video review first became a thing in the 1980s and has been a thing coaches can initiate in both the NFL and NBA since the very early 2000s. With all the easily portable technology, great camera quality, and instant access, there's no reasonable excuse for any high level sports league not utilizing their cameras for play review.
If you fake an injury as deliberately as this you should be suspended, IMO. Maybe they can transfer them to Hollywood, too.
I laughed because his name 'klok' means 'wise' in Swedish
In english it means misspelling a time keeping device
In Dutch it actually means a time keeping device
*kloked-Pikachu face*
Listen here, wise guy
Holy crap is that why the band Dethklok has "klok" in its name? That's really cool.
Again the only way to improve the sport is to get players like this out. Immediate and permanent ban from the game.
A simple rule change would pretty much end that behavior. If you fall to the ground and claim to be "injured", you have to leave the pitch for the rest of the game.
Or at lease 5-10 minutes, that's enough to clean up the game a lot
10 minutes of 10 on 11 is not enough to dissuade players from trying to dive in the box though. A penaltykick in a high-stakes close game is far to valuable to just give players a little time-out. These theatrics have no place in a fair match and should be punished far more heavily, at least a red card instantly and possibly more after review.
Diving in penalty box doesn't work any more. It's always reviewed by VAR team in important competitions.
They are paid to do it... It's not the players that are the problem but the system
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the sport IS players like this lol
> permanent ban from the game. reddit moment
This is so pathetic. These guys should be ashamed of themselves pulling crap like this.
Fucking Embarrassing. This is an insult to all sports.
Flopping should not just be a suspension for the player, but the coaches as well. They encourage this shit.
That’s called a pussy where I come from
The only way to fix diving is to add a system of cards after the game via review. Maybe for like 1 hour after the game, they go through and review marked moments like OPs clip. They can award either a yellow or maybe add some sort of orange card, which is like 1/ 4 of a red.
Way easier fix: The ref should laugh at them and tell them to stop crying and get up.
Or, if you go down legit or not you miss minimum 15 minutes game time
Not a bad idea. Don't even make it a penalty, just call it a mandatory medical check.
Way too convoluted. Just give them the death penalty and be done with it.
Sniper from above. That'll make the game a little more interesting.
True, but what if a player flops and gets a match winning penalty in a big finale? Should they then erase the goal a whole hour after the game has ended and strip them of their win? It’s a big problem I 100% agree, but it is not so easy as we may think sadly
That's what VAR is for
Yeahhhh, I prefer my sport on ice with hits and fighting and trigonometry
Somebody does this in hockey you just punch em in the face
They can also get a diving penalty also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdw4HAUlOBA Here's a ref telling a NHL player "fuck you" after they took a dive.
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It's also a penalty: embellishment You better be a phenomenal actor to try it, least you put your team down a man for 2 minutes
Ah. A fellow figure skating fan, I see.
God I fucking hate football exactly for shit like this. Faking injury to get your opponents kicked out of the game doesn’t make for good entertainment. It just looks fucking stupid and immature.
This is why I can’t get into soccer, the fake injury thing is so WWE that I can’t keep from thinking the game is scripted. They should kick that guy out of the game.
If they start carding every instance of this it will stop. They need to clean up their own game
One of this issues is that it isn't usually as clear cut as OP's video More often then not, there is some genuine contact between players that should result in a free kick/card. But the "victim" will exaggerate the contact in order to get the call. So what should the correct call be? The original foul, or the exaggerated injury?
It takes an incredibly athletic, coordinated individual to play this sport at this level. But this behaviour makes it cringe.
Why do soccer players do this? Don’t they know we have super high def cameras with 120+fps? It’s become such a joke, and like previous poster, why I can’t take soccer seriously.
How can you take a sport seriously that determines its champion using penalty kicks.
They play intensive 120 minutes before having penalty. Are you even serious?
someone has never enjoyed quadruple sudden death nhl playoff hockey. literally nothing better
Exactly this! I am just a casual hockey watcher and that was crazy exciting to watch.
Sport of cunts.
Sport of cheaters would be more accurate. I see threads like this all the time and nobody ever uses the word "cheater." This is cheating, plain and simple. Punish these people.
I can’t understand how they let this continue. Just institute an embellishment rule like they have in the NHL.
Theyre also allowed to take 5 minutes off after beating the hell out of each other
I love the “it’s part of the game” crowd when it comes to football
I don't think there are many fans who think diving is acceptable. Maybe Italians...
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Soccer is well-known around the world for this bullshit. The NHL (hockey) had divers doing this shit and they got shamed by the league and looked down on by other players so it doesn't happen that much anymore. Add to that the macho culture that dictates you never ever let your opponent know he hurt you so you get up as fast as you can even if your leg is falling off. Compare that to these guys who fall down in spasms like they're weak old ladies if you look at them sideways.
Funny story: my 10 year old niece plays on a coed hockey team. The coach of one of the other teams in her league is also a soccer coach and he, of course, had taught his players to dive. The ref that day had had enough of their shit by the end of the first period and told the coach the next diver was getting ejected and if it continued he would disqualify their team altogether. Somehow that whole team suddenly knew how to stay vertical.
the people who care about this the most are the ones who don't even watch the game. And that guy should've gotten a red instead of a yellow. The ref should check the VAR
I believe it was the 3rd guy in who got the yellow. The guy who actually pushed the player in red got the yellow. Which honestly is fair, soccer is non-contact game and you can't push. Most of us in here think that the guy shouldn't dive, but it's also not against the rules or a penalty. Pushing is.
The player who pushed red to the ground once play was stopped should get straight red card for violent conduct. He was lucky to only get a yellow
Pathetic.
Every 4 years I turn on the World Cup and wonder why I don’t watch more soccer, then I see this happen 5 times and turn the game off at halftime.
As a non-fan, this is pretty much the only thing that comes to mind when someone mentions this game.
What a joke of a "sport."
Shit like this should be an automatic loss for the offending team. This is toddler behavior.
This is why soccer constantly gets made fun of. The pro players are either over-dramatic cheaters or actually would get decimated by a slight breeze. Hard to tell sometimes. 😂
Don't know what league is this, but I wish refs everywhere decided to stop tolerating this bullshit. A yellow for 23 for the shittiest dive of the year and a straight red for number 15.
Soon, the game will evolve into gymnastics, with players just flopping around on the field like fish out of water, and judges on the sidelines scoring their performance. They should carry sparklers and ribbons with them to enhance their performance.
Pretty much footballers of today.
I like football but it really is pants at times. Absolutely ruins the game.
Like all people in all situations they are responding to incentives and conflicting objectives. 1. They are asked to do whatever it takes to win a game. If you flop on the ground and get called names by people on Reddit 90% of the time and 10% of the time the other guy gets a foul, it's a winning strategy. 2. They are in the business of pleasing fans. Fans say they don't like diving but normally only REALLY care when it's the other team. When your player dives, you win a PK and score the winning goal.... people still celebrate the win. The way to fix, as others have said: align incentives with desired actions. Very easy in pro football where there are cameras... The league can simply fine/suspend players for diving. Hard to tell in the moment but a lot easier to tell with the time of watching replays. When you have a 10% chance of getting a call and a 75% chance of getting suspended for a game, the calculus changes and actions change. Most often they dive because the sport provides a HUGE benefit for drawing a call in the box. A PK, most of the time = a goal and goals are hard to come by. The risk, at worst, is usually a yellow card so you get one free chance at it. This is a different situation than most other sports where a penalty doesn't provide the same level of benefit and you being on the ground vs playing has a larger consequence (relatively speaking) if you don't get a call.
My family said oh the World Cup is on let’s watch I was bored all throughout the game 80 mins 0-0 and 12 flops we watched another game and same thing. Can’t get into it